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Ok here im going to compare the x10 and the SGS in as many departments as possible.
Build quality, the feel.
There is no doubt in my mind that both these phones are light especially when compared to the Motorola droid/milestone. However, if you have ever held an sgs you will quickly realise that it is like a feather, and to be honest you would never want it to fall unto the ground because it feels like it would just smash into a million Pieces. The X10 on the other hand manages the perfect balance, its light but no so light that you need to take special care to prevent it from getting broken.
Build quality, durability
Now, because I have not actually gone out of my way to damage any of the phones i cant tell you just how durable both are. But I must admit in this section i can safely say the x10 can take a beating, and I cant help but praise sony for adding the extra screen protector thing. The sgs on the other hand is a different story i have actually had to buy a case just in case i actually drop it.
Appearance
Now this is down to personal preference. The sgs has been likened to the iphone, which it does a little bit, and without a case people will definitely mistake it for one. A complete fail in originality. The x10 has a far more masculine appearance, and i love the fact it has a matte back plate so it wont get scratched.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=771707
UI
Both are pretty poor in my opinion compared to sense at least, but the sgs one is so reminiscent of an iphone i changed it within 10 mins.
Camera,
Both cameras have a wealth of options e.g smile detection, macro mode etc.(the sgs does not have a camera button)
It is a well know fact the x10 has a 8 mp camera while the sgs has a 5mp one. But is it a straight win for the x10? simple answer, no.
Day Time
Taking pictures in the day almost always looks better on the x10 than the sgs, thats a fact. However, If like me you rarely upload pictures onto the computer, then the sgs screen does make its pictures look better initially.
Night time
The X10 has a flash(well a light) so you would think that night time pictures would look better. Unfortunately the flash is only ever useful in extremely dark conditions and when it comes to low light people have described the pictures as grainy. The sgs has no light but what I have noticed is that low light pictures tend to look better possibly as a result of Samsung trying to make up for the lack of flash. But this could be the screen deceiving me again.(I havent compared them for a while though i will do so later).
Close up
This may be a software limitation but my x10 struggles in this department when looking at text. It never get the fine lines in the writing and i usually have to pull to camera quite far from the page to get it to even focus. The sgs does this flawlessly and I was amazed by the level of detail i could get, i can safely say this was nothing to do with the screen. I have seen some amazing pictures on this forum of flowers taken by the x10 so i will have to do some further testing.
Making Calls
A problem I have seen on this forum is that people complain about low call volume on the x10, something which I have not experienced. Overall both phones are good enough in this department although the sgs has got a higher maximum volume. Vibration is weak on both phones and the speakerphone is significantly louder on the sgs. (This is my personal preference, but i like the fact in the call window of the sgs the end call button is huge, and the speaker and call pad buttons are within a touches distance while on the x10 you have to pull up another menu)
Messaging,
Again in this section the sgs has blatantly copied the iphone, however that is to its advantage because the messaging interface is generally nicer to look at(personal preference) Also the pre-installed swype keyboard is a nice addition (can also be installed on the x10). One thing that pisses me off is the lack of a notification led on the sgs, instead they have put a camera which is frankly useless( to me anyway). Although there is an option to install an app to do the same job, its just not the same.
Multimedia, Music
Music sounds great on both devices when using these sony ex500
The sgs does have the advantage of an customizable EQ which is great, also the playlists can be more than 20 songs and its much easier to navigate (this is an advantage of a separate music app). On the X10 i did have trouble skipping track while driving which i did not with the sgs. I do like the uniqueness of the x10 media scape though.
Multimedia, radio
Well the sgs has a radio the x10 does not, quite simple
Multimedia, video
What I have noticed is that the x10 has a longer screen which is nice for wide screen films but that is where the joy ends for the x10.
The sgs has support for basically everything i could throw at it, mkv, avi,flv, you name it. The ability to download films and just dump them on the 8gb(or in my case 16gb) internal memory is simply fantastic. No need for conversion or anything. The video player has its own brightness, colour tone settings as well as an outdoor visibility mode and the quality is outstanding (the best on any phone i have witnessed.) The x10 can play videos once converted and it is very sharp, maybe even a tiny bit sharper than the sgs, but if your watching a video you will hardly notice.
Edit: The x10 can use an app called rockplayer, so it too can play a load of formats(oh the joys of android)
GPS,
Gps on the galaxy is pretty poor, and you can not drive anywhere with it, unless you want to end up in a nearby river.(a software fix has been reported to be coming though). Well the x10 gps is perfect, no complaints here.
Speed
Both have 1ghz processors but the x10 doesnt really lag at all. On the other hand the sgs lags as soon as you get down to business, the lag is not serious but more like a 2 second wait before an app opens (it can be frustrating). Thankfully there is a lag fix which has been made and it works well but most users are waiting for the official fix.
Software
The sgs is on 2.1 and waiting for 2.2 in sept
The x10 is on 1.6 and waiting for 2.1 in sept (720p coming so i didnt compare video camera)
I dont see sony catching up soon, its a shame, because the x10 would fly with 2.2.
Root,
Both phones have root but only the sgs has bootloader access that being said there arent many roms out for the galaxy S yet anyway.
Well i am done, i will upload pics when i have time. I hope you find this useful
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Battery life,
Now as we all know, until battery technology improves significantly smart phones will always have a crap battery life. The x10 has a good battery life with about 1 days uses. However the sgs doesnt seem to use any battery when the screen is off so can manage a full day with relative ease.
Unfortunately both phones heat up to high temperatures and the sgs has reached 52 degrees Celsius which leads me to believe it will degrade the battery at a faster rate than the x10.
Pictures
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Thanks, this is very useful! I'm due for an upgrade at the end of the month and am fairly torn between the two. AT the moment I'm leaning towards the x10 because a properly functioning GPS is important to me (have just changed cities, don't want to end up in the sea) and because I use my device for reading a lot, so sharper text would be better. However, my wife has the Samsung Wave, which also has a SAMOLED screen and it's well-nigh unbeatable when it comes to media viewing of any kind, which has made me think twice about my choice.
Otherwise, from what I've read, my thoughts seem to mirror yours. Hmmm, decisions decisions...
Excellent comparison. You really weren't kidding when you said you weren't a fanboi for either brand.
The reasoning is sound and the arguments presented, while subjective, are fair. I agree on most parts, I've even taken steps to rectify some of the criticisms.
YMMV but Vignette works really well for me, I've used it several times to snap photos of printed documents and they've turned out ok. Not perfect but good enough to run OCR on so it might be worth a look.
For the video playback I wholeheartedly recommend Rockplayer. It's been able to play everything I've thrown at it. It doesn't do HD content well though, I usually get around 15 fps playing back 720p videos. It drops frames making it watchable but I can't stand watching anything at that speed. Anything with a native or lower resolution plays back at full speed though, even high bitrate MKV.
Both those apps are commercial but there are demo versions available, you should check them out.
Does the SGS playback 1080p DivX files? I read the Galaxy Tab does this (it has the same CPU if I'm not mistaken). I know 1080p playback on a device this small doesn't make sense, but I'm just curious if the CPU/GPU has the raw power to do this stuff.
Cinner said:
Does the SGS playback 1080p DivX files? I read the Galaxy Tab does this (it has the same CPU if I'm not mistaken). I know 1080p playback on a device this small doesn't make sense, but I'm just curious if the CPU/GPU has the raw power to do this stuff.
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Yep
This review is spot on.
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Thank you for your kind comments.
ddewbofh said:
Excellent comparison. You really weren't kidding when you said you weren't a fanboi for either brand.
The reasoning is sound and the arguments presented, while subjective, are fair. I agree on most parts, I've even taken steps to rectify some of the criticisms.
YMMV but Vignette works really well for me, I've used it several times to snap photos of printed documents and they've turned out ok. Not perfect but good enough to run OCR on so it might be worth a look.
For the video playback I wholeheartedly recommend Rockplayer. It's been able to play everything I've thrown at it. It doesn't do HD content well though, I usually get around 15 fps playing back 720p videos. It drops frames making it watchable but I can't stand watching anything at that speed. Anything with a native or lower resolution plays back at full speed though, even high bitrate MKV.
Both those apps are commercial but there are demo versions available, you should check them out.
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Yes i have tried rockplayer when it was a beta and its great, I will include this review thanks for the tip.
Pretty good comparison. You didn't really go into any major bugs or issues with either device but that's ok for comparison's sake.
There is one thing I am confused about. You say you couldn't get focus in close-up shots on the X10? Did you have it in Macro mode for this? Just wondering because I haven't had any trouble when using Macro mode.
Also, you didn't really mention anything about reception. This is one area (having had both phones for more than a couple weeks) where the X10 really shines above the SGS devices.
Finally, in regard to vibration on the SGS devices, when I had a i9000 rom on my Captivate I noticed the vibration was really week. There is a setting menu to increase the vibration but on the i9000 rom is was not as strong as it was on the Captivate. This suggests that this issue is likely resolved with a software upgrade since the intensity is adjustable.
Sorry, I almost forgot, you can have playlists larger than 20 songs on the X10. I'm not sure if that comment was in regard to SGS or the X10. I have five playlists on my X10 right now and they are all 100 songs or larger.
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Pretty good comparison. You didn't really go into any major bugs or issues with either device but that's ok for comparison's sake.
There is one thing I am confused about. You say you couldn't get focus in close-up shots on the X10? Did you have it in Macro mode for this? Just wondering because I haven't had any trouble when using Macro mode.
Also, you didn't really mention anything about reception. This is one area (having had both phones for more than a couple weeks) where the X10 really shines above the SGS devices.
Finally, in regard to vibration on the SGS devices, when I had a i9000 rom on my Captivate I noticed the vibration was really week. There is a setting menu to increase the vibration but on the i9000 rom is was not as strong as it was on the Captivate. This suggests that this issue is likely resolved with a software upgrade since the intensity is adjustable.
Sorry, I almost forgot, you can have playlists larger than 20 songs on the X10. I'm not sure if that comment was in regard to SGS or the X10. I have five playlists on my X10 right now and they are all 100 songs or larger.
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1. I could get focus but i would have to move the camera further away than the sgs and the images were not as clear, yes i used macro mode.
2. reception, im in an area of good reception so they both have max bars all the time.
3. What i was getting at was vibration was weak in both phones compared to my very old phones eg my old Samsung u900, even when increased to max.
4. This was not the case with rb14/16 mediascape so that may have been fixed.
What bug have i not mentioned
I hope that answers your questions.
Agree on the X10 Camera. Great in natural light, often poor otherwise.
I do not find the X10 fast. In fact, I find it rather slow with the odd hang up sometimes.
rocketpaul said:
1. I could get focus but i would have to move the camera further away than the sgs and the images were not as clear, yes i used macro mode.
2. reception, im in an area of good reception so they both have max bars all the time.
3. What i was getting at was vibration was weak in both phones compared to my very old phones eg my old Samsung u900, even when increased to max.
4. This was not the case with rb14/16 mediascape so that may have been fixed.
What bug have i not mentioned
I hope that answers your questions.
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I was trying not to muddy up this thread. I experienced several serious bugs on the Captivate that didn't necessarily start on day one. Some of them started in week three but persisted even after a full reset of the phone. Mostly had to do with rebooting, freezing and just shutting down for no reason. These are the bugs that made me return the device. I have not experienced any of this type of thing with the X10 yet.
The vibration comment was just to point out that the Captivate ROM has better vibration than the i9000 ROM so it appears to be a software tuning issue.
To be quite honest, if Samsung shows that they are going to actually support a device after selling it and fix all the Captivate issues, I may reconsider it. I am not a brand whore or fan boy, I just go with what works best for me. I can't use a phone that just shuts off on me without reason. I also need a working GPS.
I do think the X10 is better in the ways that count best for me. Making phone calls and sending text messages are high on my priority list. Browsing the web or using apps like the XDA or Engadget are also important. Google Maps and Navigation are also somewhat important and that was a complete fail on the Captivate. The Captivate doesn't do any of these things any better than the X10 so it was all about the bugs for me.
The Captivate screen is beautiful and the device has a lot of promise.
Oh thats fair enough, i am not familiar with the captivate so i am not aware of these issues, I can only make a review based on my experience
I understand. The Captivate is essentially the same as the i9000 except for a few minor differences. I did run an i9000 build on the Captivate but I had to use the Captivate kernel because of the slight difference in the button arrangement between the two devices. It was better on the i9000 ROM but that presented a few quirks of it's own and was less than ideal.
If I had any faith in Samsung I would have waited out the GPS and Lag fixes. Unfortunately, they don't have the best track record as of late. I had to make a judgement call before my 30 days were up. I still have another upgrade this year and one in the Spring so I may come back if things get resolved by Samsung.
I wasn't trying to mess up your thread, just wanted a little clarification. I think you gave a much better review of both devices than anything from Engadget or the other tech sites.
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I understand. The Captivate is essentially the same as the i9000 except for a few minor differences. I did run an i9000 build on the Captivate but I had to use the Captivate kernel because of the slight difference in the button arrangement between the two devices. It was better on the i9000 ROM but that presented a few quirks of it's own and was less than ideal.
If I had any faith in Samsung I would have waited out the GPS and Lag fixes. Unfortunately, they don't have the best track record as of late. I had to make a judgement call before my 30 days were up. I still have another upgrade this year and one in the Spring so I may come back if things get resolved by Samsung.
I wasn't trying to mess up your thread, just wanted a little clarification. I think you gave a much better review of both devices than anything from Engadget or the other tech sites.
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thanks, its nice to know my efforts are appreciated.
Well, about the camera, just for the hardware button i would choose the X10...anyway, i'm ok with the night shots or low light indoor shots, i think it's just practice(delete the gap between : and / , the spam filter doesn¡t let me post links and the upload feature destroys the quality ):
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And with good light i think it works really good:
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Well, about the camera, just for the hardware button i would choose the X10...anyway, i'm ok with the night shots or low light indoor shots, i think it's just practice(delete the gap between : and / , the spam filter doesn¡t let me post links and the upload feature destroys the quality ):
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And with good light i think it works really good:
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Ive seen some of these before and the daylight ones are bloody fantastic, without a doubt. I will try to get some direct comparison pics at night and documents done so you can see what i was getting at.
Thanks buddy this is great. A couple questions though, have u tried playing any flac audio? Is the rom stock on the sgs or did Samsung rip it apart like se?
Not that there is anything wrong with the stock x10, i actually like it a lot.
Once again thanks, i can't seem to find a live model to play with at the store.
@rocketpaul, can you upload some pics from both phones, like taking pic of same objects with both phones in diferent light conditions.. ?
but if you going to do that please upload on rapidshare or some other file share servis, do not upload on imageshack or similar.. i want to see other things on pic, like exposure time. i noticed that exposure time on x10 in low light conditions (as in not so low light conditions) is 1/8 sec... that is bad. that means if you move hand just a bit you'll get totaly blury pic, same thing if objects on pic is moving..
you can get better exposure time by setting on sports option, but than picture is just too dark.
and please tell me how fast is autofocusing on sgs (in low light especially), just reading on review sites that is fast as hell. on x10 is not bad, super fast outdoor, bit slower indor.. is it faster on sgs?
tnx
cwepruk said:
Agree on the X10 Camera. Great in natural light, often poor otherwise.
I do not find the X10 fast. In fact, I find it rather slow with the odd hang up sometimes.
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With the original home screen it's quite fast. I only notice some small lag in mediascape and timescape, or when I got 10+ apps running in background.
Compared to my previous Windows Mobile mad HTC it flyes!
gavriel18 said:
Thanks buddy this is great. A couple questions though, have u tried playing any flac audio? Is the rom stock on the sgs or did Samsung rip it apart like se?
Not that there is anything wrong with the stock x10, i actually like it a lot.
Once again thanks, i can't seem to find a live model to play with at the store.
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Im downloading some flac file now and i will give them a go. Samsung have changed the appearance a lot, the home screen doesn't even look like android to be honest(no pull up menu) there are some nice tweaks like the options for wifi,gps etc in the notification section.
Yes it plays flac.
My friend always complain about camera start-up time and crappy pics it takes and then pulls out its iphone and snaps pics in a jiffy.Share your experience.
Need 5 touch/clicks to make a call.. my frnd wid desire always makes fun of it
actually the photo result of X10 camera is better than iPhone 4, even using stock camera app.
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Taken with X10
Taken with iPhone 4
Notice that the one taken by iPhone has a less color range than one taken by X10. But i agree with the camera laggy start up time
But compared to iPhone 4, X10 camera have a lot of advantages, you can set the exposure compensation, face detection, smile detection, average metering, spot metering, image stabilizer, multiple autofocus. While iPhone 4 camera is just a point and shoot only.
I say X10 beats iPhone 4 in term of functional camera and video camera except for the flash . You can try taking video with iPhone 4 and taking video with X10, see which one is shaky.
so my opinion, nothing to be embarrassed about.
Constant phone reboots and 40% chance of drop call from x10.
On my Storm 1? Zip.
And storm one was HORRIBLE.
But I think I went from Worst to THE WORST.
Sad.
Tried to show off when i hadn't had my phone very long. Wasn't used to the damn speed of the touch screen.
"Here look at this, oh on wait i didn't mean to press that, crap nor that either, hang on a sec and i'll go back, right let's try that again, now look at this .... DOH"
Angie xx
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xeviro said:
actually the photo result of X10 camera is better than iPhone 4, even using stock camera app.
Taken with X10
Taken with iPhone 4
Notice that the one taken by iPhone has a less color range than one taken by X10. But i agree with the camera laggy start up time
But compared to iPhone 4, X10 camera have a lot of advantages, you can set the exposure compensation, face detection, smile detection, average metering, spot metering, image stabilizer, multiple autofocus. While iPhone 4 camera is just a point and shoot only.
I say X10 beats iPhone 4 in term of functional camera and video camera except for the flash . You can try taking video with iPhone 4 and taking video with X10, see which one is shaky.
so my opinion, nothing to be embarrassed about.
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It would be nice to see more x10 vs iPhone4 photos in different conditions(night without flash, with flash, sunlight, macro, etc)
xeviro said:
actually the photo result of X10 camera is better than iPhone 4, even using stock camera app.
Taken with X10
Taken with iPhone 4
Notice that the one taken by iPhone has a less color range than one taken by X10. But i agree with the camera laggy start up time
But compared to iPhone 4, X10 camera have a lot of advantages, you can set the exposure compensation, face detection, smile detection, average metering, spot metering, image stabilizer, multiple autofocus. While iPhone 4 camera is just a point and shoot only.
I say X10 beats iPhone 4 in term of functional camera and video camera except for the flash . You can try taking video with iPhone 4 and taking video with X10, see which one is shaky.
so my opinion, nothing to be embarrassed about.
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Bro, N82 and other 8mp beats it with ease.For a noob, it is hard to capture a photo.
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Bro, N82 and other 8mp beats it with ease.For a noob, it is hard to capture a photo.
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right. iphone 4 can capture pictures WAY better than that...
we'll be getting 720p HD videos in 2.1 too.. @24 fps (or even less). iPhone can do that at 30fps.
Sadly X10's camera isn't anything special, but that's fair enough for a phone. If the X10 had no camera and the same specs with Froyo I'd buy it anyway
Anyway, my embarassing moment was when me and my friend who's got an iPhone4 played the same game (fruit ninja) on our two phones, and we could definitely assure that gaming on the iPhone is... another world. X10 is SOOOO slow and the iphone way too fast
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Anyway, my embarassing moment was when me and my friend who's got an iPhone4 played the same game (fruit ninja) on our two phones, and we could definitely assure that gaming on the iPhone is... another world. X10 is SOOOO slow and the iphone way too fast
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Can you even play that game? I tried it and couldn't cut most of the fruits. Lost in about 15 seconds
worst moment was when i sent a text and i completely typed a senseless thing, and it was to a girl :s
Well, Dell announced that the Streak is skipping 2.1 and going straight to Froyo.
Now the X10 will be the only high end smartphone with 2.1 We are unique
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Well, Dell announced that the Streak is skipping 2.1 and going straight to Froyo.
Now the X10 will be the only high end smartphone with 2.1 We are unique
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I just imagined a pc with an intel core i7 extreme wuth w98 Dx
.............and 65k color screen
.............and no multitouch (though this won't matter on a pc, but assume you meant a tablet )
isthisreallife said:
Bro, N82 and other 8mp beats it with ease.For a noob, it is hard to capture a photo.
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I agree with you, most of high end Nokia phone is using Carl Zeiss lens and the Sony Ericsson Cybershot series beats X10 as well. But the quality is decent compared to iPhone 4, i was replying for the OP comparison of X10 and iPhone 4.
Personally, i don't get annoyed too much lack of this and lack of that with X10. I have Cybershot TX1 for casual snapshot which way better than most of pocket camera, also have DSLR for serious and art photography. PSP and Nintendo DS for playing portable games.
So i never expect too much from X10 that make me get embarrassed or disappointed, but that just me personally other people have their of own preferences.
I have never been embarassed about something my phone did/can't do... that's really silly.
I wonder if the SO-01B is really different than the X10a/i... I mean, the firmware versions are totally different now. I've never dropped a call, in-call volume is great, the camera starts up within 3-4 seconds, and Fruit Ninja works perfectly fine. (I actually used Fruit Ninja last night in an argument with my girlfriend to show how she was slicing at my heart. She laughed and we made up. Thanks, Xperia!)
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Need 5 touch/clicks to make a call.. my frnd wid desire always makes fun of it
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Why does it take so many clicks...?
Instead of using the phonebook, you can make a folder on the home screen.
1. Click folder
2. Click contact
3. Click number
Isn't that how many clicks it takes for most touchscreen phones?
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I have never been embarassed about something my phone did/can't do... that's really silly.
I wonder if the SO-01B is really different than the X10a/i... I mean, the firmware versions are totally different now. I've never dropped a call, in-call volume is great, the camera starts up within 3-4 seconds, and Fruit Ninja works perfectly fine. (I actually used Fruit Ninja last night in an argument with my girlfriend to show how she was slicing at my heart. She laughed and we made up. Thanks, Xperia!)
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I also always wondering why people have a lot of restart, drop call and in-call volume problem with X10.
Ok, drop call i had, that one i make call in 30th floor office and the 3G is just 1 bar (too high, maybe signal can't reach , i changed to GPRS, then no problem).
In call volume is very different with each person, but i found a lot of occasion i pass my phone to my friend, because the caller want to talk, my friend never make any complain or ask to speak louder.
But random restart i never had, already tried with SO-01B ROM, SingTel ROM, Generic ROM, never had one.
Yesterday Ive dumped X10 and bought GalaxyS, boy what a difference, screen, wider and with much better colors and contrast, louder speaker for ringtone and for telephony, NO LAG after VooDoo lag fix. Only thins that X10 has better is the look of the white unit and maybe camera.
Can you tell me what you mean by "wider" and how it's a "good" thing? I personally feel that the X10 is already bordering on "too big", but any wider, and I probably would've never bought the phone.
I have decided to do a little comparison test with the Galaxy note 2 and my old iPhone 4. I have only recently come aboard the good ship Android, so I am still finding my way around. Although I fully understand that the camera does not make or break the phone, for me it is one of the features that I rely on now and again.
I love taking a picture with my SLR but there are times when you cannot use the SLR, or times when you do not want to take it out so for me the camera is something I use. If it had been my sole requirement i would have probably chosen the Nokia 808 Pureview, but Nokia decided to cripple their phones using their chosen software - but that's is another debate.
I didn’t want to do a tremendous amount of testing so I decided to use the stock apps on both phones. I have paid a little more detail to the Note 2 with looking at the normal picture setting and the low light function. I may use another application on the note as the standard camera app is not the best.
I placed a book, a battery and a sound card in my photo booth. The reason for these items was to get something with a plain colour (the book) something that is small but has a little bit of detail (battery) and something that has a lot of detail (sound card). All tests were conducted indoors, nothing outdoors as of yet.
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From both images you can see there is a definite difference. The iPhones image has a little more ‘viberance’ to it. Overall the colour on the iPhone looks better overall whereas the note 2 image looks a little washed out, however this is purely subjective and I like my photos to have a little more saturation. When viewing photos on the AMOLED screen they do look incredibly vibrant, however, on a normal monitor they do not. What is quite interesting is that the file size of the iPhone 4 image is actually larger than that of the 8 mega pixel file form the Note 2. This could be for a number of reasons; one could be the amount of sharpening applied in the processing, another could be the amount of saturation the software adds to give it a little more ‘zing’.
When testing the sharpness and detail of a camera most magazines tend to do 100% crops showing how much detail can be resolved. The comparisons have been done below.
iPhone first, then Note 2.
Crop with low light mode enabled
From this quick demo you can see that there is a slight difference between the iPhone and the Samsung photos. Personally I don’t think its hardware related, I’m pretty sure that it is software related. I am going on the browse for some add free, free camera software and take a few photos with that.
Once again I would like to stress that this is just an indoor shot, and I have simply not had time to do any outdoor shots. Maybe I will try some on the weekend and report back then.
What do you lot think?
Like yourself it seems, photography is a big hobby of mine and whilst I use a DSLR normally too, I'm more than happy to have my Note 2 with me for quick snaps.
Looking at your test shots, I'd say overall there's not much between them.
iPhone is definitely more vibrant, but the Note 2 shots look more natural. Looking at the uncropped shots, the Note 2 seems to give a clearer image but when viewed at 100% the iPhone seems to have captured slightly more detail. I'd say the Note 2 controls noise better, especially with low light mode. Even without low light mode the Note 2 seems to use more noise control than the iPhone. The downside to this is that more noise control can lead to softer shots, which is why the iPhone shots looks a touch sharper, if a little grainy.
Could all just be my eyes though
Random fact... the Note 2 was originally meant to ship with a 13MP Sony sensor, but Sony couldn't produce enough in time to meet Samsung's deadline so instead it shipped with an 8MP sensor. As you probably know, more MP doesn't always mean a better image as cramming more pixels on a small sensor means each pixel can capture less light, but it would have been interesting to see what the images would have been like had it got the 13MP sensor.
I really wish nokia would have licensed their Pureview tech to Samsung. Would make it a little better.
Though the GS2 and the GN2 both have an 8MP camera, I find the GN2's camera far superior. I suspect this may have something to do with the faster CPU, but not sure. I have used both extensively.
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I really wish nokia would have licensed their Pureview tech to Samsung. Would make it a little better.
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I really wish Nokia would produce android devices as well...
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The iPhone clearly takes sharper images in this comparison, at the expense of noise. Contrast appears to be much better with the iPhone as well, the GN2 photos look a little 'washed out'. Colours are more vibrant with the iPhone as well but perhaps too much?
A semi pro photographer here, hobby too. I never liked any cell phone's camera to be honest. But when I had my C905, things were little better. It had an impressive camera, almost replaced my Ixus for now and then, here and there shots. Then I got the Satio. Another good one. Then don't know what happened, I stepped into Samsung! My first Sammy was a i8910, it had a good camera. So I thought let's continue with Samsung. Next was Wave S8500, I didn't buy it for camera anyway. Then I got the infamous SII. Well after using it for more than year, I can say I was 'fairly' happy with it. Now, Note 2, I don't know, right from the first shot, till now, I DO NOT like this camera, how the photos are appearing, are below average in my eyes.
It's always about 'post software processing' in a mobile camera. A tiny sensor can never produce great photos. So it all matters how the photo is being processed after taking it via the camera firmware provided. That's where a brand plays it tricks. Most of them have Sony's sensor, so talking about hardware is meaningless. Now, here in Note 2, the post processing seems either to be not full or poorly done. Optimizing a photo is bad! An average user, who really would care about the 'background' processes, all they will see the ultimate photo, and there Note 2 fails. Photos turn out grainy, with noise. The biggest letdown is the led flash. At night, in parties, when it's dark, and you don't have your SLR or it's not the place for it, of course you'll need flash. The flash is terribly weak, and badly spread.
Anyway, writing too much, I'm short, after owning 7 or 8 high end cell phones, with their average camera, this Note 2 camera is the most disappointing in my eyes.
However, I don't give a damn, I always (you know what I mean) carry my 350 or D90 (yeah, I know, they are average DSLR), so I'd not bother much about this, BUT not everyone is like me or like OP, for them a 700$ mobile phone should provide 'fairly good' output, where this device, F A I L S.
Now, one thing you see, I really won't bother by some fanboys quoting my comment and say otherwise, knowing I've spent my hard time and money, for more than a decade behind photography. So thanks to them in advance anyway
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The main issue comes down to the camera using iso 800 on auto mode in many scenes, i.e indoors, which is just bizarre. Set it to a lower value manually and the graininess gets a lot better.
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If you want more vibrant colours in the settings select SCN/Panorama.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913.php
A must read
AW: GSM Arena One vs S4
It's really the best and most thorough comparison, I've read in a long time. Ultimately it's up to personal preference, which phone you choose.
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It's really the best and most thorough comparison, I've read in a long time. Ultimately it's up to personal preference, which phone you choose.
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Yeah it did not make my decision easier, I want them both after reading it
It seemed like a good article although I think they were a bit biased towards the S4 without real justification at times.
For instance, they list the screen size as being in favour of the S4. That is entirely subjective as we know. Personally I prefer 4.7 to 5. Some will rather have 5.
I saw somewhere in local forums that S4's camera is very bad. But GSMarena are in fact saying otherwise.
it's clearly biased in a lot of areas
especially with this BS "it couldnt care less about it looks in a way its making a stronger statement than it's competitor"
a draw in the design area? are you kidding me?
also the screen and battery tests are both very flawed
he did not mention the power saver or brightness during the battery tests (actually brightness)
as for the screen, nothing makes sense, the One has a brighter screen and better view angles, nearly every other review said so
i am willing to accept the ultra pixel comparison, if Samsung indeed is giving a proper 13MP sensor without noise or low light issues than it will definitely destroy the HTC One camera but i have to say they did not do a real low light test
but yes yes if i have to chose i would go for the camera on the S4, its still better than than the big sacrifice in detail
i'm pleased OIS really works on the One and disappointed by the extremely narrow field of view on the S4
Surprisingly, the Samsung Galaxy S4 has the better low-light camera performance.
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What.
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What.
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but dont miss this, it means the s4 is using a slow shutter speed in low light:
Samsung Galaxy S4. Surprisingly, the Samsung Galaxy S4 has the better low-light camera performance. You'll have to snap several photos to make sure you have a good one, but the end result will be better than what the HTC One produces. The Galaxy S4 has a slight advantage in low-light video too.
The HTC One is more reliable - thanks to its OIS you can snap just one photo and know it will be about as good as it gets. But the camera's performance is simply nothing to write home about, and there are cases when OIS just isn't helping at all (when shooting moving subjects).
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Some blogs consider evening light as "low light" - then traditional cameras still take better pics. Ultrapixels shine when "low light" means night in a city or a pub.
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hamdir said:
a draw in the design area? are you kidding me?
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Actually it's a draw in the hardware area, which the S4 scores only because of its sd slot and removable battery. I think that's a fair judgement.
As to pure design quote :
From a pure design standpoint, the HTC One wipes the floor with the Samsung Galaxy S4.
Brac20 said:
It seemed like a good article although I think they were a bit biased towards the S4 without real justification at times.
For instance, they list the screen size as being in favour of the S4. That is entirely subjective as we know. Personally I prefer 4.7 to 5. Some will rather have 5.
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Dude the two phones are the same size. 5 inch is obviously better than 4.7 if the overall size is the same. But you dont get boomsound on the s4.
My only complaint with this review is what they considered low light.
It was still enough light for my OG EVO to capture a decent picture.
Other than that very detailed comparison.
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yea they missed the low light point completely
the area the S4 wins is brightness and not light capture, you can easily adjust this on the HTC One using the settings
but like i said i personally would go with a camera like on the S4 but it's not fair to say to claim we are not winning anything at all in low light
we saw tons of samples to prove this already
and most important shutter speed remains the most important area in a smartphone camera, unless you like repeating your photos
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Dude the two phones are the same size. 5 inch is obviously better than 4.7 if the overall size is the same. But you dont get boomsound on the s4.
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Sorry but i disagree. In one handed use i can reach all points on a 4.7 inch screen but not on a 5 inch. So for me the overall unit size isn't the key. Also The One has vastly superior sound so is worth the extra size.
But this is exactly what I mean. It is a completely subjective decision, so putting it in pros and cons in an objective review is biased.
and yes the sound, they say its slightly better but that is also untrue, its vastly as confirmed by many reviews
The worst review I ever seen on photo part. Whatever photo once upscale, it will be bad in quality.
Only GSMArena reviewer will ever upscale the photo size for comparison, fail!
Beside this, the review was obvious biase in certain part.
by the way Gsmarena camera results are really worrying
im almost convinced there are two different sensors used in the HTC One
If you think this could be a reliable test, take a look at this...
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by the way Gsmarena camera results are really worrying
im almost convinced there are two different sensors used in the HTC One
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Well, apparently HTC is working on a software update to help with the camera "issues" that the One is having. I'll withhold judgement on the camera until that is put out and we have time to see how it affects camera performance.
I think the GSMArena takes manipulation of the mind to the level an art (like others do too), the way they twist some characterstics to seem like advantages and then go completely the other way around when it comes to others. Even when they give high praise to a phone's characteristic they can make it so that you feel like the other one is even better. It is an art which is played mostly at an subconscious level.
In the end it's not a conspiracy, it is problably just a need for good web traffic=money and they can make it so by praising the dominant company. There are probably dozens of millions of Samsung users and it is better to make them think and be at ease with the Samsung product they have chosen, being gratified with the fact that they are on the best side - its just a mind calming factor + gets your site lots of mouse clicks.
S4 is a beast but for me the qualities i seek in a phone put the HTC One on top and the S4 problably not even second.
PS: the most worrying thing is what hamdir said about the camera. Hope it does not turn out to be true but there seem to be a big difference in the quality of the photos between different reviews. Seems like this delayed launch is good for me as i can look further into this problem.
Hi guys. I rang my local store here today and got a price of €420 euro for the z3 without contract which seems pretty good given that the samsung alpha here is €570. Also the z3 compact is priced at being £430 in the uk so not quiet sure why its cheaper here in Ireland as usually we pay more for products then anywhere else ha
Anyways iam tempted to pull the trigger but for some confusing reviews i have read! Most reviews claim the resolution is poor and the screen is not as sharp as the competition, images look washed out and the camera is not as good as you would expect from a 20.7mp camera , color accuracy is way off and images look washed out etc and one review claimed the battery life was ok but not as good as sony claimed!
However i have also seen two reviews that say the opposite and claim the display is the best 720p they have ever seen, the camera is among the best out there and that battery life is incredible!
Can anyone that owns the device give they're impressions?
Currently own a htc one m7 which has been good to me . I often change phones regularly but have kept this for almost 2 years and it works flawlessly and is still as snappy as ever to this day so iam slightly worried about the z3 compact not being a significant upgrade! Ill miss the htc sense widgets and although iam not fan of the sony home screen and lock screen look , Iam loving the specs and the fact i can use the phone comfortable in one hand! Would have got the z3 but see it as being a little too big
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Hi guys. I rang my local store here today and got a price of €420 euro for the z3 without contract which seems pretty good given that the samsung alpha here is €570. Also the z3 compact is priced at being £430 in the uk so not quiet sure why its cheaper here in Ireland as usually we pay more for products then anywhere else ha
Anyways iam tempted to pull the trigger but for some confusing reviews i have read! Most reviews claim the resolution is poor and the screen is not as sharp as the competition, images look washed out and the camera is not as good as you would expect from a 20.7mp camera , color accuracy is way off and images look washed out etc and one review claimed the battery life was ok but not as good as sony claimed!
However i have also seen two reviews that say the opposite and claim the display is the best 720p they have ever seen, the camera is among the best out there and that battery life is incredible!
Can anyone that owns the device give they're impressions?
Currently own a htc one m7 which has been good to me . I often change phones regularly but have kept this for almost 2 years and it works flawlessly and is still as snappy as ever to this day so iam slightly worried about the z3 compact not being a significant upgrade! Ill miss the htc sense widgets and although iam not fan of the sony home screen and lock screen look , Iam loving the specs and the fact i can use the phone comfortable in one hand! Would have got the z3 but see it as being a little too big
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I'll soon be buying this phone as well. About the resolution, my current phone has the same resolution on a slightly smaller display of 4.3", with a pixel density of 342 ppi and the image is so sharp that I cannot distinguish pixels with the naked eye no matter how hard I try. The Z3 Compact has 319 ppi on its 4.6" display, which really isn't much lower at all. I can imagine the pixels will still be too small to distinguish with the naked eye. Okay, maybe if, for some reason, you use the phone under a magnifying glass or if you hold it flat against your face, it won't look very sharp (duh). But if you just use your phone like normal, I'm sure the display on the Z3C will appear perfectly sharp.
About the colour: ExpertReviews, for example, claims that the whites are white enough (they describe it as "ice white"). They mention the white balance option on the device, but said that they felt no need to adjust the white balance.
With regard to camera quality, most reviews had it in Superior Auto Mode that saves the file about 8MP. Those who own one are saying the Manual Mode is where you can see the pic quality excel. I trust DXO mark more than others. Here's how they rank the phones based on IQ. This is the older generation Z2 that is using very similar lens albeit there is slight improvement on the Z3. Just not sure if the improvement is in the hardware or software. Full review can be found here:
http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Sony-Xperia-Z2-overview-Revised-model-takes-first-place-in-Mobile-rankings
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I just got my Z3c today; I've had a M8 until today and a M7 before that. I honestly can't tell that the screen is 720 instead of 1080, and everything, from pictures to videos to text, looks very sharp. I don't see any color accuracy issues, and I'd say color reproduction is the same (as far as I can tell) as on the M8 and M7. I love the size of the device, and it's a great feeling to be able to use my phone with 1 hand lol. I'd say go for it!
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With regard to camera quality, most reviews had it in Superior Auto Mode that saves the file about 8MP. Those who own one are saying the Manual Mode is where you can see the pic quality excel. I trust DXO mark more than others. Here's how they rank the phones based on IQ. This is the older generation Z2 that is using very similar lens albeit there is slight improvement on the Z3. Just not sure if the improvement is in the hardware or software. Full review can be found here:
http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Sony-Xperia-Z2-overview-Revised-model-takes-first-place-in-Mobile-rankings
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Uhh they have the Nokia 1020 under the Iphone 5 and s4... that can't be right
First off, 720/1080p means nothing. Pixel density is what actually matters, and 720p at 4.6" is more than high enough to be a non-issue unless you hold the phone up to your eyeballs.
Likewise, megapixel count doesn't mean as much as people think. The sensor size matters more, and at 1/3" it's larger than most. It's not the best smartphone camera on the market, but it's still quite good.
The colors are poorly calibrated out of the box, and it does look bad, but it's trivial to fix in the color settings, so that's not really a big deal.
Battery life is never as good as the manufacturer claims, but it's still pretty good so far. I haven't had it long enough to really tell you for sure though.
Blaalad12 said:
Hi guys. I rang my local store here today and got a price of €420 euro for the z3 without contract which seems pretty good given that the samsung alpha here is €570. Also the z3 compact is priced at being £430 in the uk so not quiet sure why its cheaper here in Ireland as usually we pay more for products then anywhere else ha
Anyways iam tempted to pull the trigger but for some confusing reviews i have read! Most reviews claim the resolution is poor and the screen is not as sharp as the competition, images look washed out and the camera is not as good as you would expect from a 20.7mp camera , color accuracy is way off and images look washed out etc and one review claimed the battery life was ok but not as good as sony claimed!
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- I'm sorry but any review that complains about the resolution not being sharp enough you can just ignore, because that reviewer clearly has no idea what he/she is talking about...
- Color calibration in terms of the screen can be changed to your liking, most/many people don't like the default color scheme so they did some adjustments.
- Camera really isn't as bad as they say... in some situations it's not as good as the rest, but it's NOT BAD (That's mostly in low light situations)
My tip for you:
Don't get your phone based on other people reviews, because they seem to affect you A LOT! There are more positive reviews than bad ones, but yet you seem to have picked out the bad ones.
Get the phone in your hands (in a shop), play with it and then decide.
The display for me is the single most important aspect of any mobile, and I've not bought any of the Z Series because of it (although the Z2 display did look good). For that reason I was extremely judgemental when first using the Z3C.
I don't think you have anything to worry about in terms of quality or sharpness. The contrast is great and the default calibration does indeed produce icy whites (which I personally prefer to warmer whites).
I haven't used the camera yet, but other things that have impressed me are the build quality - especially the finish of the plastic sides, the bezels, which looks smaller in person than the promo photos suggest, and the sheer speed of the device. It's incredibly snappy!
I'm more impressed than I thought I'd be
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@stormbeta, it's a 1/2.3 sensor
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Uhh they have the Nokia 1020 under the Iphone 5 and s4... that can't be right
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The problem with the 1020 is it's great at certain things, awful at others. It's a really inconsistent camera. DxO's ratings reward consistency - a camera that's pretty good at everything trumps one that's really good at some things. That's why the last few iPhones have scored so high - they do a decent job of most things.
In their element, the 1020 and 808 are unbeaten. Unfortunately they aren't that great as day-to-day snappers.
I'm very impressed by this device so far coming from a galaxy s3. The display is absolutely fine. Everyone that says otherwise is just a spec whore (xcuse my language). And you can even tweak the colors yourself!
And the best part: 720p with high end hardware means silky smooth operation in every situation. I have never held an android device this fast. Even turning the screen on is just instant. No lag whatsoever. I'd say this is even faster than iPhone.
Camera? I have no idea about quality but the dedicated button is more important for my use than quality. If I want to make quality pictures I don't use my smartphone anyway..
If you want a high end smartphone in a smaller form factor this is the best device out there. No doubt about it.