Update: development is not dead, JT has resurrected it...Cm7 is amazing!
Forgive me if upset a few people with this post, but is it me or has the dev scene for this device died?
I remember the old school days when I had a G1 on T-mobile, we had a new rom practically every other day! I would hate to not to give credit to the amazing devs we have for our devices like JT and company but as of late things seem have died .
I remember a few months back devs were saying, we cant do much because we dont have froyo source...now we do and the scene looks identical. I pruchased this device because of its "raw power" which back in November was unrivaled, but looking at the vibrant forums and the epic there's tons of roms to choose from, VZW gets no love.
Before you guys get upset and some of my remarks, please understand my POV. Lastly, I realize that devs dont get payed to do this and do it as hobby thus I have no reason to complain, so this is just an opinion....let me know if you guys feel the same or not......
There's still a ton of development work, just nothing totally new recently. Everybody seems to be working on what is already there, just fixing and updating and whatnot.
Sent from my CM7 SCH-i500
What we are waiting on now is GB source.... LOL
In short you are pretty much right. Mostly everyone has moved on to bigger and better things. Now that all the spring goodies are coming out there are less people here to develop.
What we are waiting for really is someone to step up to the plate and take over. The devs that we did have provided a great foundation for someone else to work on.
That being said... the phone is still overpriced for what it is and Samsung has provided some practically unusable code to start with, from my understanding at least.
I can see the Vibrant forum being busy, as they have CM7 now, and likely other AOSP and AOSP based ROMs now, plus TW based ROMs. Not sure about the Epic, but I think they have a semi-functional AOSP base as well, and the Nexus S going the Sprint probably helped them out significantly. However, we're stuck basically with what Samsung gave us. The source did help out significantly for kernels, as it gave us something to work from that we didn't have before. However, the platform source did nothing. Also, there are only so many ways you can configure a ROM based on the stock software. If jt and kaos can get the last few pieces of CM7 fixed up, I'm sure you'd see development take off again, but until that happens, or until we get a new release or source, it will likely be semi-stagnant around here.
JT is working on cm7 I assure you. Latest build was today released in irc. Based on .35 kernel. Everything works but radio and sensors. So that's really good work if you ask me. He'll get it up to speed, jt is a very clever Guy.
Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk
tonu42 said:
JT is working on cm7 I assure you. Latest build was today released in irc. Based on .35 kernel. Everything works but radio and sensors. So that's really good work if you ask me. He'll get it up to speed, jt is a very clever Guy.
Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wait!!!!! As in camera works????
starscream84 said:
Wait!!!!! As in camera works????
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, if camera and MMS work, and he gets the sensors/radio working, the man is a God, a MACHINE. Well, I look forward to that.
Evil fascination came out with a new build today, he is also planning on a bunch of themes for it (2 released already, 5 more to come I think)
well this phone technically is out dated in terms of whats come out since. and we finally have workjng froyo roms which is what all the hype was about. even with home computers you cant keep updating, eventually things dont matching up. just like with these phones. im happy with my fascinate and everything thats been released.
Sent from my SCH-I500 using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
Evil Fascination had an update tonight. It runs fantastic and the theme is awesome. Im sure the community rom is going to have a nice update soon to.
The devs for this phone have been fantastic, they made this phone worth having even when it seemed like 2.2 would never see the light of day.
After the experience I have had with the fascinate my next phone will for sure be a nexus. Even if it means jumping ship to a different carrier.
tonu42 said:
JT is working on cm7 I assure you. Latest build was today released in irc. Based on .35 kernel. Everything works but radio and sensors. So that's really good work if you ask me. He'll get it up to speed, jt is a very clever Guy.
Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Anybody know what punkkaos was talking about when he tweeted:
Looks like Coolya and gang have done some nifty kernel stuff for Fascinate users.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
JT and I were talking earlier and it seems like Coolya and the gang helped with some kernel fixes that seemed to have helped a lot. So if all goes well, we SHOULD have official CM7 support coming soon.
If anyone is wondering EVERYTHING is working, including hw/sw codecs, Bluetooth, wifi, etc. As stated before RIL functions and sensors are no worky, but JT said that radio was his messup and should be a quick fix. ;P
Sent from my SCH-I500 using XDA App
development is relative...we never had a ton of kernels/roms/mods etc because we have a relatively small community
we still have several source built kernels, 2 versions of cm7 (one of which sounds like its advancing nicely) and several touchwiz based roms
if you want to really step back and look at things, we have mods from sbrissen no other phone has (or at least had first as they kang him quickly)...
we have miuiwiz which is a feat never done before (getting miui launcher working on anything but miui)
so for those that just sit around and wait for stuff to be released so they can flash every 5 minutes...too bad...go get a more popular phone so you can flash the kanged rom after kanged rom every day
or you can actually learn to do stuff for yourself like many have
nitsuj17 said:
development is relative...we never had a ton of kernels/roms/mods etc because we have a relatively small community
we still have several source built kernels, 2 versions of cm7 (one of which sounds like its advancing nicely) and several touchwiz based roms
if you want to really step back and look at things, we have mods from sbrissen no other phone has (or at least had first as they kang him quickly)...
we have miuiwiz which is a feat never done before (getting miui launcher working on anything but miui)
so for those that just sit around and wait for stuff to be released so they can flash every 5 minutes...too bad...go get a more popular phone so you can flash the kanged rom after kanged rom every day
or you can actually learn to do stuff for yourself like many have
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
^^^^exactly.
If you sit back and enjoy your phone with the new roms when they do come out, waiting for updates and new stuff comes quicker than you realize. Hmmm, I wonder who told me to enjoy what I have a while ago.... and in all honesty, do you really think the fascinate is out dated? My phone STILL runs circles around my bro in laws tbolt. And if anyone questions our devs ability....have you herd of punk kaos? Or jt1134? Or adrynalyn? Or sbrissen? If you are tired of waiting, go back to stock....you will realize what they have done for our phones.
I never once doubted their ability. Like I said in the OP , we a are lucky to have what we got. My point was that things seem to have died down, not sure if its the phone or the lack of interest. Back in november this was androids flagship device, and, I purchased it thinking that with its hardware and our bright developers, it was going to be a beast. I'm proud of the work done but until a fully working aosp like cm7 comes out, I dontt think ill be fascinated. All the touchwiz roms are fine but slow down eventually. Just expressing my opinion fellas.
Sent from my SCH-I500 using XDA App
youngmack2k4 said:
I never once doubted their ability. Like I said in the OP , we a are lucky to have what we got. My point was that things seem to have died down, not sure if its the phone or the lack of interest. Back in november this was androids flagship device, and, I purchased it thinking that with its hardware and our bright developers, it was going to be a beast. I'm proud of the work done but until a fully working aosp like cm7 comes out, I dontt think ill be fascinated. All the touchwiz roms are fine but slow down eventually. Just expressing my opinion fellas.
Sent from my SCH-I500 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
what do you mean "slow down eventually?" ive never noticed this
and was there ever a time when tons of roms/kernels were coming out aside from immediately after an ota/source code drop/leak?
nitsuj17 said:
what do you mean "slow down eventually?" ive never noticed this
and was there ever a time when tons of roms/kernels were coming out aside from immediately after an ota/source code drop/leak?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
@Nitsuj17 this is a classic case of something that all people struggle with: a selfish nature. We, as people, are never really satisfied with anything. I doubt even a FULLY functional CM7/GingerMIUI would please people. It's just our nature. We are insatiable. This is not a flame or an attack of the OP, it's just simply an indictment of all people, myself included. Just my $0.02.
Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk
times_infinity said:
JT and I were talking earlier and it seems like Coolya and the gang helped with some kernel fixes that seemed to have helped a lot. So if all goes well, we SHOULD have official CM7 support coming soon.
If anyone is wondering EVERYTHING is working, including hw/sw codecs, Bluetooth, wifi, etc. As stated before RIL functions and sensors are no worky, but JT said that radio was his messup and should be a quick fix. ;P
Sent from my SCH-I500 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So if he can get the radio working, we can get official CM7 support? JT is the man....
When we all probably switch phones we will still have a beast mp3 player if you ask me.
Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk
just one last thought...as for what is/isnt being worked on and released
jt and pk are still working on cm7 and seem to be getting closer and closer to a very polished product
imnuts and nemesis still work on kernels
com rom and miuiwiz are still being worked...and will have lots of new features when they are out...these things take time though, we could have constant updates or less updates, but of more substance
Related
Sorry to say but, at this point (unless someone pulls a miracle), it looks like the vibrant wont make the CM 6.1 release
(basing my info on 2 tweets)
wesgarner
@TheDudesAndroid @noobnl_epic @cyanogen @koush what do you think? http://review.cyanogenmod.com/#change,2152
@noobnl_epic
@wesgarner @TheDudesAndroid @cyanogen @koush should be removed
the link in wes's tweet says
Change I36172fd3: vibrant: Temporarily remove from CM manifest
vibrant: Temporarily remove from CM manifest
Reasons:
1. It doesn't compile - this can be fixed, though
2. It doesn't work... - currently the kernel inside the repo doesn't work plus the build system is not set up to flash the kernel
3. The Vibrant repo is about 2mths old
4. The Vibrant repo contains proprietary. On my fork, I have changed everything over to use extract-files, removed proprietary from all commits using filter-branch
We can refork my repo for the Vibrant, but at the same time - it still isn't ready, so mostly having it on the CM repos for 6.1 RC's this weekend is pretty pointless considering where we are in getting CM6 for the Vibrant
My manifest (git://github.com/wesgarner/android.git) is setup for the current Galaxy S repos (aka my Vibrant repo and noobnl's Epic repo), but this is still such a WIP that keeping it on CM repos really just confuses people about the current status and makes it seem like it's ready when it isn't
Change-Id: I36172fd3e2709d9ff9f23d0cc5c05a8f12d607dc
Of course, i may be completely wrong. We can always hope
Whatever. Bionix is currently rocking my Android world. I'm not sure how much better it could really get short of Froyo involvement.
opiate46 said:
Whatever. Bionix is currently rocking my Android world. I'm not sure how much better it could really get short of Froyo involvement.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Dude, CM is based on froyo
opiate46 said:
Whatever. Bionix is currently rocking my Android world. I'm not sure how much better it could really get short of Froyo involvement.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Umm you have no idea what CM is do you?
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App
opiate46 said:
Whatever. Bionix is currently rocking my Android world. I'm not sure how much better it could really get short of Froyo involvement.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Dude......
I hit it and it goes bang
karimsaud21 said:
Dude, CM is based on froyo
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
CM is not based only on froyo.
i'm fine with that. bionix is honestly better than cm was on my g1, and those cm guys are a bunch of assholes. if (mostly) one guy can build a rom from scratch, i don't understand how a whole team can't figure it out.
You cant expect one guy to make a rom for all android devices. If it doesnt work. O well. I mean there are other roms out there for those wanting to mess with there phones. Bionix is one. And many more to come to the vibrants way. You ppl keep asking these devs who have other lives outside xda. And then get pissed when theres no special rom for ur phone. C'mon now.
Sent from my SGH-T959 using Tapatalk
So, what happens to all the money donated for CM Vibrant development?
Yeah that's what I am wondering also. I mean I understand the part of the devs having outside lives bit jeez let us know something
Sent from my SGH-T959 using Tapatalk
whodatfever said:
So, what happens to all the money donated for CM Vibrant development?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
the donations were made to wes/scepterr... that has nothing to do with CM. true they are members of the CM team, but all they ever said was that they had plans to port CM6... that doesn't mean they have to, and anyone who decided to donate should have realized that a PLAN does not equal a promise.
if it fails, well crap. if they come back to it later and it works, hooray! until then, your donations belong to whoever you donated to. because that's how donations work.
christpuncher said:
i'm fine with that. bionix is honestly better than cm was on my g1.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You do understand that the g1s 528mhz processor was crappy as hell right? How can You possibly compare that too a 1ghz hummingbird?
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App
whodatfever said:
So, what happens to all the money donated for CM Vibrant development?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
beer money
Wow.... Are you serious? d
First you're comparing your Vibrant to a G1, of course it will be better! Even with a stock Vibrant.
Second, the CM guys or any dev for this matter, who gives their free time to make ROMs and MODs for peasants like you and I who cant do it ourselves, are assholes?! How?!
Third, yes it only takes one talented dev to build a ROM from scratch, but without the SOURCE they have no base to work on. It really isnt easy to make a ROM from scratch, and as far as I know only a few devs have successfully done so. Most of them base it on another dev's work or samsung itself...
christpuncher said:
i'm fine with that. bionix is honestly better than cm was on my g1, and those cm guys are a bunch of assholes. if (mostly) one guy can build a rom from scratch, i don't understand how a whole team can't figure it out.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
whodatfever said:
So, what happens to all the money donated for CM Vibrant development?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think yall misunderstood me, the Vibrant and other Galaxy S variants aren't off the boards for CM, they just PROBABLY wont make the 6.1 release
karimsaud21 said:
Reasons:
1. It doesn't compile
2. It doesn't work...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Umm....
Uhhh....
Do these guys know someone who can code ?
I hope so since those 2 lines coming from someone who CAN code are at best knocks against themselves.
*I coded something that won't compile* = I failed to do what I intended.
*I coded something that doesn't work* = I failed to do what I intended.
I would be ashamed.
christpuncher said:
i'm fine with that. bionix is honestly better than cm was on my g1, and those cm guys are a bunch of assholes. if (mostly) one guy can build a rom from scratch, i don't understand how a whole team can't figure it out.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Haha.... You think that the bionix ROM came from scratch??? He took eugenes base from the Ftwiz ROM. He even says it in the credits. Not trying to sell the ROM or development short, because it is a great ROM.
All the devs that are tied to the vibrant are trying to reverse engineer the code to get the 2.2 source which samsung has not released. Building 2.2 with out the source code is like building a sky scrapper from the top to the bottom, everything will crash. Where as 2.1 with source is building from ground up, you start from a solid foundation, then work your way up...
Wes also stated to anyone who wanted there money back, they can email him for a refund.
Just give it time. The source for the i9000 froyo was just released; it will come eventually, but development is going to lag behind that for the Nexus One, Dinc, etc. Just be glad we're getting some kind of CM; think of all the other phones that aren't even on the list.
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App
Kubernetes said:
Just give it time. The source for the i9000 froyo was just released; it will come eventually, but development is going to lag behind that for the Nexus One, Dinc, etc. Just be glad we're getting some kind of CM; think of all the other phones that aren't even on the list.
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Very true!
after reading their various tweets regarding them passing the buck on vibrant development, yes, they're assholes. it was clearly a joke to them because they know it's a huge hassle, so they should have just said it was probably never going to happen. i'm very grateful for the handful of devs that have actually stepped up and made this phone into what it should have been out of the box. it was clear that the cm team never cared in the first place.
It's starting to look like a 2.3 rom will never come to vibrant
Hdub said:
It's starting to look like a 2.3 rom will never come to vibrant
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm using CM7 right now, as are many others on this forum. It's up to you if you think it's a daily driver or not, but it's there, right now.
Patience, there's two people working on it (not together) xboarder, and krylon. Its hard to make a 2.3 from scratch.
Cm7 should be out of beta for i9000 pretty soon. Just be patient.
Remember when people questioned if the G1 would ever get updated? You know... the 3 year old Grandpa of all Android phones.
IT is running a newer version of the OS than my Vibrant. Have faith and patience man.
The same old 2.2 roms passing around, people editing icons & backgrounds, changing boot screens & apps. But at the end of the day there all froyo. eugene's macnutR14 is the most customized rom. bionix is nice but doesn't have video calls on the dialer. you can metamorph, ninjamorph, flash, push, oc your phone but its still 2.2 froyo
I want to see all the 2.3 gingerbread affects on vibrant the scrolling animation, the crt animation the camera app, the downloads app where they at holla
I can modify my own 2.2 rom theres so many to take stuff from. stop playing with each others roms work on 2.3 are you guys devs or are you editors cause it looks like besides a few your all editors
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App
Oh God here we go again...
via XDA App
Okay, I'm starting to get annoyed at these kind of threads that come from ppl that obviously have no clue in what it takes to build a ROM from the ground on up. Just because android is open source doesn't mean that samsung's kernels are and we pretty much need compatible ones for our ROMs to work. Meanwhile, there are at least 2 teams working on gingerbread ROMs right now. I dunno about you but I'd rather have a fully stable 2.2/2.2.1 ROM out while we have the source than to take my chances and possibly brick my phone on a bug infested build of gingerbread.
Sent from my Bionix-V 1.2 powered Vibrant.
Hdub said:
...where they at holla
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I laughed at this.
You sound like a troll
I'm just upset that there is not honeycomb 3.0 rom that transforms your phone into a tablet is not out yet. i heard from the magical elf that sits on my shoulder that it would come out soon. that's why i say screw elves gnomes never lie to you.
Well I heard 2012 is the end of the world. I'm just wishing 2012 rolls around a lot faster then expected....
Aren't they only phones to have official 2.3 the nexus'? Quit yappin and start coding . Lol jk....
These devs work hard to get the new roms out. And to ask 'em to stopp bullcrapping and start on a new one is malarkey. Malarkey, I tells ya!
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App
Hdub said:
It's starting to look like a 2.3 rom will never come to vibrant
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Is this based on any real information or is this pure speculation caused by emotional insecurity?
This guy seems like a "pretty experienced dev" if you know what I mean...
dude where have you been?...TW did a port and its a flashable zip and it woeks wonders
thegreatcity said:
This guy seems like a "pretty experienced dev" if you know what I mean...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
"can you tell me what source is?" hahaha
Flash Cyanogenmod 7 and bam 2.3.2 they even throw in the nice screen lock effect so quit trolling
krylon360 said:
"can you tell me what source is?" hahaha
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That will be the funniest post for a long time to come.
Hexmaster93 said:
Flash Cyanogenmod 7 and bam 2.3.2 they even throw in the nice screen lock effect so quit trolling
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
But do they have the screen on animation? No but seriously non cm7 does have it, but the video I saw it doesnt.
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App
its there scrizz didnt have it enabled i guess but go to settings ->cyanogenmod settings -> display and enable it
Why is it that like every single team royal rom is like updated, release candidate or whatever, but every single thread lists all these things that just don't work at all. Like wifi, bluetooth, gps, or CAMERA. I don't know about everyone else, but those are deal breakers....i came from a couple other android phones, and the dev section had way better stuff. Like cm7 is amazing, but there is no quality and variety here. All the variety besides cm7 are all broken roms....just wanted to ask other people if I'm wrong and trying out the wrong shiznit, or if cm7 is really the best way to go.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA Premium App
Actually they are very high quality and super fast ROM's. The Mytouch 4g has been lacking alot in the dev section and this team is picking up basically all of the slack. The demand is high, so they shoot the ROM's out quickly, and we all know that they are works in progress. They work hard on the ROM's nonstop until they get it perfect. If you don't believe me, check out the Royal Glacier Rom...absolutely amazing. And the thing is, one of their buggy first releases is better most other completed ROM's. Keep up the good work Team Royal!
csdalporto said:
Why is it that like every single team royal rom is like updated, release candidate or whatever, but every single thread lists all these things that just don't work at all. Like wifi, bluetooth, gps, or CAMERA. I don't know about everyone else, but those are deal breakers....i came from a couple other android phones, and the dev section had way better stuff. Like cm7 is amazing, but there is no quality and variety here. All the variety besides cm7 are all broken roms....just wanted to ask other people if I'm wrong and trying out the wrong shiznit, or if cm7 is really the best way to go.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
And you have every right to demand free stuff out of the painfully long hours that the people at xda put in to give you the variety you deserve.
The dev section is clearly defined, you know what is out there, stop whining or cook your own.
csdalporto said:
Why is it that like every single team royal rom is like updated, release candidate or whatever, but every single thread lists all these things that just don't work at all. Like wifi, bluetooth, gps, or CAMERA. I don't know about everyone else, but those are deal breakers....i came from a couple other android phones, and the dev section had way better stuff. Like cm7 is amazing, but there is no quality and variety here. All the variety besides cm7 are all broken roms....just wanted to ask other people if I'm wrong and trying out the wrong shiznit, or if cm7 is really the best way to go.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This was one of the main reasons we didn't want to release the pre-alpha honeycomb or anything else before it was completely ready but we decided to. So basically our roms are like cm nightlies. Not guaranteed that everything will work but that's why we have so many testers such as myself Haha
sent from my icy cold glacier!
csdalporto said:
Why is it that like every single team royal rom is like updated, release candidate or whatever, but every single thread lists all these things that just don't work at all. Like wifi, bluetooth, gps, or CAMERA. I don't know about everyone else, but those are deal breakers....i came from a couple other android phones, and the dev section had way better stuff. Like cm7 is amazing, but there is no quality and variety here. All the variety besides cm7 are all broken roms....just wanted to ask other people if I'm wrong and trying out the wrong shiznit, or if cm7 is really the best way to go.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I will tell you why. The real developers have been chased off. There still out there, you just have to find them. There is a better ginger sense out. Been using it since royal posted there teaser. Happy searching.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA Premium App
Just asking other user's opinions, that's all, cm7 is the only good thing I've come across
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA Premium App
They all have very good roms. And they are super fast too
If you don't like our roms, or can't live without some of the things that aren't working, there are 2 solutions. 1. Dont use our roms. No one is forcing you too. 2. Help us fix them.
If you didn't realize, I've been doing this whole dev thing for what, 3 weeks? I dont have the experience that some of the devs we had before did, so it may take me a little longer than them to fix things. Im still learning pretty much everything as I go. I apologize I'm not better at this.
I guess people dont realize how much time/effort I put into all of these roms. Or if they do, just dont care and really do have a "me me me/ now now now" attitude.
I worked on mint for days before I released it. All day everyday for the better part of a week. I gave you guys a usable product. For free. The video camera doesn't work, and there are some other bugs. Im still working on them. You know how much that made me? $0. Nada. I don't care either. I wanted Mint for myself. I want to learn. I want to give back to the community. I do it for fun. I do it for those users that will say thanks, and let me know whats wrong constructively so I can try and work it out.
/rant over. Sorry if I offended anyone with this. Its just aggravating to put in so much work for nothing and have people disrespect me for my efforts.
srry option94
option94 said:
If you don't like our roms, or can't live without some of the things that aren't working, there are 2 solutions. 1. Dont use our roms. No one is forcing you too. 2. Help us fix them.
If you didn't realize, I've been doing this whole dev thing for what, 3 weeks? I dont have the experience that some of the devs we had before did, so it may take me a little longer than them to fix things. Im still learning pretty much everything as I go. I apologize I'm not better at this.
I guess people dont realize how much time/effort I put into all of these roms. Or if they do, just dont care and really do have a "me me me/ now now now" attitude.
I worked on mint for days before I released it. All day everyday for the better part of a week. I gave you guys a usable product. For free. The video camera doesn't work, and there are some other bugs. Im still working on them. You know how much that made me? $0. Nada. I don't care either. I wanted Mint for myself. I want to learn. I want to give back to the community. I do it for fun. I do it for those users that will say thanks, and let me know whats wrong constructively so I can try and work it out.
/rant over. Sorry if I offended anyone with this. Its just aggravating to put in so much work for nothing and have people disrespect me for my efforts.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i know my first sounded hateful and rude, but the only reason it sounded assholy to team royal was cuz they are the only devs for this phone atm....its crazy, why is no one else here? its just that this is the first android phone i've owned where no one is devvin for the phone! i havn't used a team royal rom yet, but if i do, I PROMISE i will donate at least 10 bucks. i always donate when i use roms. just wondering why everything in our forums are like ports to mimic other phones.....idk ppl my bad team royal....haha i will donate the day that i use your roms, and ya, mytouch 4g is a great phone.....
You should donate. All of their donations go to charity.
csdalporto said:
i know my first sounded hateful and rude, but the only reason it sounded assholy to team royal was cuz they are the only devs for this phone atm....its crazy, why is no one else here? its just that this is the first android phone i've owned where no one is devvin for the phone! i havn't used a team royal rom yet, but if i do, I PROMISE i will donate at least 10 bucks. i always donate when i use roms. just wondering why everything in our forums are like ports to mimic other phones.....idk ppl my bad team royal....haha i will donate the day that i use your roms, and ya, mytouch 4g is a great phone.....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Its not about donations at all. I really just do this for me, and share what I do. We port roms, because we want to give options. Do you want 12 versions of the stock rom? We already have 3. And theres A couple AOSP-esque roms. We wanted more options.
Just please dont take that as a "donate to me" rant. Its not that at all.
I thought this same exact thing. Do not put RC if the ROM has key features not working. CM7 Didn't become an RC until it had most kinks working. But the things not working in the Royal roms are BIG things. But I appreciate the royal team, I don't have room to complain. I don't have the want or need to be a dev and I know how difficult it is to rescript things, but false labels are bad regardless.
Is it just me or is Epic development almost dead?
Two-three months ago there was CM6,MIUI,CM7 and more original roms in the works,what happened?
Yeah i know that for CM7 they are waiting for official GB to drop but what about CM6 that was 90 percent finished and MIUI that was almost finished?
I know that we still got roms but most of them with exception of ACS and few others are mostly remixes and tweaks of stock rom.
Our Epic is way behind Vibrant,Fascinate and Captivate.
It's just you. Don't knock what the amazing developers have done for us. We have plenty of roms and we will have plenty once gingerbread drops.
I agree. Feel free to learn how to dev, though. You won't sound like a detractor from the forum.
lviv73 said:
Is it just me or is Epic development almost dead?
Two-three months ago there was CM6,MIUI,CM7 and more original roms in the works,what happened?
Yeah i know that for CM7 they are waiting for official GB to drop but what about CM6 that was 90 percent finished and MIUI that was almost finished?
I know that we still got roms but most of them with exception of ACS and few others are mostly remixes and tweaks of stock rom.
Our Epic is way behind Vibrant,Fascinate and Captivate.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
dont worry op. i feel for ya.
no disrespect, but what phones did you guys come from. i went through the mogul, the touch, touch pro and then tp2. i mean we had a **** ton of development. not all of it was quality, but i mean, real talk. epic dev just never got off the ground. im totally not ungrateful, and im still learning android and linux, and im going to kick a little ass one of these days. it just wont be with this phone.
like i said. im not a **** talker. look me up at ppcgeeks. ive got 3000 posts (6 thou if you count off topic) and a rep that doubles that.
I know the feeling I see so much stuff from may it makes it hard not to switch phones only thing keeping me around is hope at this point
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA Premium App
inimitableac said:
I know the feeling I see so much stuff from may it makes it hard not to switch phones only thing keeping me around is hope at this point
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
the only thing keeping me around is sprint not dropping an evoesque phone with a keyboard. all my favorite devs went to the desire z and the evo.
austin420 said:
the only thing keeping me around is sprint not dropping an evoesque phone with a keyboard. all my favorite devs went to the desire z and the evo.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yep... that and unlimited data... wish htc made a qwerty slider for android.. ill never give up my full kb.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA Premium App
austin420 said:
dont worry op. i feel for ya.
no disrespect, but what phones did you guys come from. i went through the mogul, the touch, touch pro and then tp2. i mean we had a **** ton of development. not all of it was quality, but i mean, real talk. epic dev just never got off the ground. im totally not ungrateful, and im still learning android and linux, and im going to kick a little ass one of these days. it just wont be with this phone.
like i said. im not a **** talker. look me up at ppcgeeks. ive got 3000 posts (6 thou if you count off topic) and a rep that doubles that.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Damn, I just hit 1,000 posts over there. Big part of it seeming smaller is that the only carrier with the Epic is sprint. Android roms aren't like winmo roms where all you had to do was provision a rom to a particular carrier.
lazydazed said:
Yep... that and unlimited data... wish htc made a qwerty slider for android.. ill never give up my full kb.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
they do... its called the evo shift...
steviee7 said:
they do... its called the evo shift...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i know im picky, but i like 5 rows (dedicated number row)
i just dont want to leave sprint either. its not just the unlimited data, low prices and yearly upgrade. i just like them. i live in kc mo. right across the state line from sprint worl headquarters. we have a 18000 person arena in downtown called the sprint center. sprint logos are every where. we have the sprint cu at the kansas speedway. i mean it is my home town carrier.
shane6374 said:
Big part of it seeming smaller is that the only carrier with the Epic is sprint. Android roms aren't like winmo roms where all you had to do was provision a rom to a particular carrier.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
good point
i got more thanks tomorrow.
This is my first experience with custom ROMs and I for one am very content with the amount of development for the Epic. I have looked at other forums and yes there may be a larger following, or more talk about development, but a lot of it seems to be garbage. I have flashed and used a few different ROMs now and they are all solid with few if any bugs. SRF is what I am running now and I have not found a single functionality issue. I also love that the Epic devs continue to improve their product instead of releasing some piece of crap ROM and never touching it again. Also the relatively smaller quantity of development makes things like qbking's videos possible and help all of us learn to better utilize the phones potential.
I say cheers to the devs for what they do and the time they put in! I could never accomplish even a portion of what they do. Thanks guys!
Please excuse any erors or typos as this massage was sent from my mobil device.
Xiutehcuhtli said:
This is my first experience with custom ROMs and I for one am very content with the amount of development for the Epic. I have looked at other forums and yes there may be a larger following, or more talk about development, but a lot of it seems to be garbage. I have flashed and used a few different ROMs now and they are all solid with few if any bugs. SRF is what I am running now and I have not found a single functionality issue. I also love that the Epic devs continue to improve their product instead of releasing some piece of crap ROM and never touching it again. Also the relatively smaller quantity of development makes things like qbking's videos possible and help all of us learn to better utilize the phones potential.
I say cheers to the devs for what they do and the time they put in! I could never accomplish even a portion of what they do. Thanks guys!
Please excuse any erors or typos as this massage was sent from my mobil device.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This.
Quality over quantity anyday our devs cook up some amazing stuff for us.
Sent from my SPH-D700
I love this phone. That is all.
Sent from Godot's place.
we have several quality ROMs and Themes to choose from
It should come as no surprise really. There are 3 main reasons why it may seem development is slow:
Small community. Meaning that our sample set in which developers are drawn is smaller. Thankfully, this phone was top notch in hardware when it came out, so it increased our chances of having very talented developers since it naturally drew people who seriously appreciated hardware. Hence, why we have a small number of developers but they're all very very good at what they do. It could have ended up with a small number AND not a lot of quality.
Touchwiz. What I mean by this is that we're still waiting on a fully functional AOSP based rom, with CM7 being the closest to completion. Without it, all there is to develop on is touchwiz, and we've pretty much exhausted what we can do with it (so far). Once there's one ROM on AOSP, that allows for more ROMs to be developed on AOSP. Plus, the completion of CM7 could very well attract developers who prefer to develop on AOSP to try a couple projects, and have simply been waiting for CM to be completed. This all ties in with reason number 3.
Froyo. Like touchwiz, we've pretty much done all we can do with it. With the release of gingerbread, it'll open up a whole new opportunity to develop. Remember, we went through the same thing towards the end of eclair's life. Not a whole lot of development, and everyone really just waiting for froyo. The difference was, however, that everyone was itching SO BAD for froyo that a lot of projects were done on DK28; we were truly behind the times then, and so even the developers were willing to play with a leak. Not so much now; we're not AS behind the curve considering there are still few phones (besides newly released ones) on gingerbread. This, too, is much like the anticipation of an AOSP precedent as mentioned previously: it's quite possible that there are potential developers who are simply waiting for gingerbread to be released before coming to this phone.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA Premium App
can anyone explain to me how the mytouch slide 4g has cm7 and overclocked gingerbread kernels with out gb source?
austin420 said:
can anyone explain to me how the mytouch slide 4g has cm7 and overclocked gingerbread kernels with out gb source?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't know, but the easiest explanations are:
More developers? Better chance to figure out the kernel drivers on their own.
It's made by HTC? It's pretty much a known that samsungs kernel drivers are always wacky, and in general, what one phone has doesn't neccessarily help with another. With HTC, their kernel drivers are a little more consistent across phones and it's easier to make things work by borrowing and tweaking.
Linux loaded modules? Don't know if it's relevant, but it's possible to use these to overclock a phone in a round-about way.
There's something that really needs to be laid to rest here regarding the arguement that everybody gives saying "we didn't get cm6 when froyo source was released, so how are we gonna get cm7 just because of gingerbread source?" Two reasons:
One: we only had one dev working on it, noobnl. Now we have a TEAM. And each on is just as if not more talented than him.
Two: we didn't have another device to kang any AOSP driver source from. With cm7, our team borrowed what they could from the nexus s 4g. And rest assured, they DID get a little use out of it.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA Premium App
austin420 said:
can anyone explain to me how the mytouch slide 4g has cm7 and overclocked gingerbread kernels with out gb source?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's the same phone as every other HTC phone, once they get something working on one all the others get it pretty quickly.
063_XOBX said:
It's the same phone as every other HTC phone, once they get something working on one all the others get it pretty quickly.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
then by the same logic, since the i9000 has gb, we should too? the only difference in the mytouch4g and most other htc phones is a keyboard and 4g. sound familiar?
Thanks for all the devs helping us with all the 2.3.4 rom based off the official rom. It runs well. However, I am waiting for to dev who can either bring cm7 or mini to our rom. Right now, there is just too much moto blur bloat on the official rom.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA Premium App
As far as i know, CM team is trying to make a CM port to our phone. But as you may know, the hardware in our phone is different than the versions they have now for other phones (for example, the fingerprint scanner). They doesnt have any 2.3.4 motorola source code to have as a base neither....
They will never come
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
Why don't u think they'll come curious to hear ur opinion
lesonal said:
They will never come
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Why do you think so?
spx2000 said:
Thanks for all the devs helping us with all the 2.3.4 rom based off the official rom. It runs well. However, I am waiting for to dev who can either bring cm7 or mini to our rom. Right now, there is just too much moto blur bloat on the official rom.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Huh. Go on then, take the source and start-a-porting. How about this: don't ever expect anything to come. There is a chance it will never come, although sense the CM team is working on it I suspect it will arrive some day. Their one rule is to not ask for etas, so please stop asking where cm7 is.
BravoMotorola said:
Huh. Go on then, take the source and start-a-porting. How about this: don't ever expect anything to come. There is a chance it will never come, although sense the CM team is working on it I suspect it will arrive some day. Their one rule is to not ask for etas, so please stop asking where cm7 is.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Learn to read, no one asked where it was OP simply stated that they are waiting for it as opposed to just messing with the current roms
BravoMotorola said:
Huh. Go on then, take the source and start-a-porting. How about this: don't ever expect anything to come. There is a chance it will never come, although sense the CM team is working on it I suspect it will arrive some day. Their one rule is to not ask for etas, so please stop asking where cm7 is.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I totally agree we shouldn't take the devs for granted (especially those of us just savvy enough to use the roms, but not enough to help make 'em at all).
However, last year Android was at like 16% market share, and CM could support basically every unlocked phone all the way back to the G1. This year Android market share is at almost 40% with phone dropping at an accelerating rate. I'm sure it helps them decide which phones to support to know where there is interest.
I hope it doesn't hurt anyone at CM's feelings for me to say that I love CM, and have missed it ever since I left my G1 for the Atrix, and I too will be holding off on flashing roms for now in hopes that CM will add us to the supported device list.
Well said
Incognitum said:
I totally agree we shouldn't take the devs for granted (especially those of us just savvy enough to use the roms, but not enough to help make 'em at all).
However, last year Android was at like 16% market share, and CM could support basically every unlocked phone all the way back to the G1. This year Android market share is at almost 40% with phone dropping at an accelerating rate. I'm sure it helps them decide which phones to support to know where there is interest.
I hope it doesn't hurt anyone at CM's feelings for me to say that I love CM, and have missed it ever since I left my G1 for the Atrix, and I too will be holding off on flashing roms for now in hopes that CM will add us to the supported device list.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
Where can we get atleast 100% confirmation that cm7 is in fact being worked on. No he said she said stuff. Let's see an actual post from one of the devs please. I think that would make people feel A LOT better
Sent via the power of a unicorn's horn.
Anthonok said:
Where can we get atleast 100% confirmation that cm7 is in fact being worked on. No he said she said stuff. Let's see an actual post from one of the devs please. I think that would make people feel A LOT better
Sent via the power of a unicorn's horn.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I would like to see this too, assuming such confirmation even exists...I've been watching aliasxerog's twitter periodically, as it seemed he and a team of a few other guys were given the unlocked Atrix to work on? As recently as like last week or something, he had made comments about working on a kernel.
However recently it seems he has been looking for a DX2...nothing like ditching work on one phone partway through! Hopefully this isn't really the case lol, and he is still at work on CM7 or something!
if you search for CM7 on the Atrix foruns you'll see a post with status updates on the port. No "he said she said".
Viamonte said:
if you search for CM7 on the Atrix foruns you'll see a post with status updates on the port. No "he said she said".
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Got a link to that post??
i definite don't take devs for granted. While I don't have the the technical chops to port myself, I donated to several projects .
While the current official rom works very well, I believe atrix can be even better without all the extra bloat . I think we have good chance to see miui official support for our phone because the phone is being heavily advertised by the china cellular providers.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA Premium App
Come on guys, if you don't pro-actively "wait for it", things will be much easier for you
It will take time for the first build to emerge, and even more times before all the bugs get fixed. Just subscribe to aliaxesrog twitter and wait for your day.
To be clear, you don't have to be a existing CM7 Dev to start print CM7, it's open source.
When a developer gets a port working for a specific device, if they can merge the unique code for that device back into CM7 mainline, it becomes an officially supported device and that developer becomes a recognized maintainer.
We have a few people working on CM7, AliasXerog, SamCripp and I'm reaching out to others, but as no Moto devices have been as unlocked as the Atrix since the OG Droid people are starting from scratch.
Sent from my Atrix (in Australia)
Rewards (READ: BIG QTD OF DOLLARS) was offered and NO CM team said anything about ETA or if its being worked on, so i gona hate cm team and i think they will not support our phone, sad but true.
I really want to donate, and i didn't have more a atrix (mine got dropped on toilet), but just when community got somethig good and working.
SkzBR said:
Rewards (READ: BIG QTD OF DOLLARS) was offered and NO CM team said anything about ETA or if its being worked on, so i gona hate cm team and i think they will not support our phone, sad but true.
I really want to donate, and i didn't have more a atrix (mine got dropped on toilet), but just when community got somethig good and working.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
When it gets ported, they will presumably start supporting. Have faith!
Sent from my unlocked Custom Ginger'd ATRIX
The Cyanogen devs have said, repeatedly, that what devices they develop CyanogenMod for is dependent on what devices they personally have or have access to. That being said, there is a thread on the Unofficial Ports section of their forum, but it's almost exclusively repetitions of "the bootloader is unlocked, can we get a port now please?"
For the more impatient members of the angry mob, it's worth remembering that the bootloader hasn't been unlocked for all that long.
Guys read this
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/14006-motorola-atrix-4g/