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Waiting for the Sprint Nexus One? Might want to look at the Evo...

http://gizmodo.com/5535436/sprint-wont-sell-the-nexus-one
"When Sprint's Michelle Leff Mermelstein told us that the company wouldn't be selling the Nexus One because of the "upcoming availability of the award-winning Evo 4G," it didn't change much for your average user. The Evo, like the Incredible, looks at least as enticing as the Nexus One, and even shares a lot of the same hardware. Where it diverges, Sprint says it's a "more robust, full-featured device," which, well, it is."
Sprint, like Verizon did earlier this year, has decided to not sell the Nexus One. I could never see a reason to choose this over the awesomeness that will be the Evo (even with the wonky Android upgrade schedule), but I know some people were still waiting for it. Sort of makes sense though, they were only going to run the risk of cannibalizing each other. If I was Sprint, I'd want the Evo to get all the attention too.
(Just a note: I know this is the CDMA Hero community, not the Nexus One forum or anything, but this is the group I connect with and with our investment in Sprint, I thought it was worthy of our forum. I don't go anywhere else on XDA.)

Sorry Fixxer2008

Just because the Evo is on the same network doesn't mean that I, and I suspect many others, wouldn't still consider and possibly choose the N1. While the Evo does seem like it will be the phone on Sprint to have, it also may not fit everyone's tastes. Not to mention that if Google has the ability to upgrade the N1 immediately to the next available Android OS instead of us having to wait for HTC and Sprint to figure it out, well that right there would probably push many folks to buy it before the Evo. I think Sprint is dropping the ball here because more options are always better than less.

i think i just heard fixxers head explode

It does really sadden me that Sprint has chose to do this. I really wanted a Nexus One over an EVO 4G.
A few reason as to why:
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Vanilla Android is SO much quicker & has a better battery life opposed to Sense.
I like choices.
I don't 4G coverage & probably won't 4G coverage in my area for a long time.

This is Verizon and Sprint's big mistakes. They don't want to give up control over the devices, and Google doesn't want to give them control over this device.
Google is attempting to shake up the hardware sales revenue stream that the carriers have and they are trying to stomp it out.
Unfortunately, it is us, the customers who get hurt by it.
Pretty sad, because I thought Sprint really was turning things around, but it appears they are still the same ol' Sprint.

Confirmed the information here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6442453&postcount=385

This pisses me off to no end. I dont want a f*cking EVO, but now thats what I guess I'm gonna be stuck with.

schizopunk said:
this pisses me off to no end. I dont want a f*cking evo, but now thats what i guess i'm gonna be stuck with.
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^^^^^
roflmao

schizopunk said:
This pisses me off to no end. I dont want a f*cking EVO, but now thats what I guess I'm gonna be stuck with.
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Vote with your dollar and go somewhere else. There ARE other carriers besides sprint.

gu1dry said:
It does really sadden me that Sprint has chose to do this. I really wanted a Nexus One over an EVO 4G.
A few reason as to why:
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Vanilla Android is SO much quicker & has a better battery life opposed to Sense.
I like choices.
I don't 4G coverage & probably won't 4G coverage in my area for a long time.
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yeah im down right pissed but nothing i can do i guess. unless i switch to t-mobile. i guess ill hold out for the moment2 because i don't like the evo and i hate sense.

didn't hte nexus one have hardware issues, and that's why google canned it, and told everyone to get an incredible ?

fixxxer2008 said:
yeah im down right pissed but nothing i can do i guess. unless i switch to t-mobile. i guess ill hold out for the moment2 because i don't like the evo and i hate sense.
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I heard a rumor the Samsung galaxy s was coming to all 4 carriers sometime and that phone supposedly one ups even then evo in a few areas

bcnice20 said:
I heard a rumor the Samsung galaxy s was coming to all 4 carriers sometime and that phone supposedly one ups even then evo in a few areas
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i have a good offer on the moment right now but there is hardly any development for it so im not sure. i do have a feeling once the EVO comes out that will be sprints flagship android device of the year and the hero will be left behind. ill have to look up the galaxy, thanks.

I can see why people are mad and want a google phone that gets updated directly from google.
Alot of people think the evo is too big. The nexus has nice size and looks pretty sleek.
But the Evo does have much better specs, and does still get 3G.
Plus you can turn sense off, and if you root (when these guys figure out how)
You can remove the HTC lockscreen, and make and revert all the HTC apps back to stock, and the device will run faster.
But the nesux one on sprint for $99 would be a hell of a deal and would pull alot of customers who want a cool smartphone but don't need everything the EVO does.
Plus sprint better not go out of stock the first day, I want an evo

Well this is disappointing news

mjz147 said:
I can see why people are mad and want a google phone that gets updated directly from google.
Alot of people think the evo is too big. The nexus has nice size and looks pretty sleek.
But the Evo does have much better specs, and does still get 3G.
Plus you can turn sense off, and if you root (when these guys figure out how)
You can remove the HTC lockscreen, and make and revert all the HTC apps back to stock, and the device will run faster.
But the nesux one on sprint for $99 would be a hell of a deal and would pull alot of customers who want a cool smartphone but don't need everything the EVO does.
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the evo will take awhile to root and most devs here prefer sense. "some" of us here realize that sense is buggy, takes up too much ram and is all about eye candy.
the nexus would of kicked ass if it was released.

fixxxer2008 said:
i have a good offer on the moment right now but there is hardly any development for it so im not sure. i do have a feeling once the EVO comes out that will be sprints flagship android device of the year and the hero will be left behind. ill have to look up the galaxy, thanks.
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Yea something about it's gpu producing polygons well above the n1 and even the iPhone I have no idea what that all means and plus it has a super amoled screen tht just sounds amazing

bcnice20 said:
Yea something about it's gpu producing polygons well above the n1 and even the iPhone I have no idea what that all means and plus it has a super amoled screen tht just sounds amazing
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the evo is a nice device but not exactly pocket friendly. plus alot of the features i won't even use.

The Nexus One is an amazing device, the Evo is also an amazing device. Sprint should carry both and just make everyone happy and put money in their big pockets!

who is keeping the hero??

just wanted to see who is keeping the hero as long as they can or ditching it the second they can. i just feel a little lonely cause everyone is moving onto the evo. i am proud to say that i am keeping my hero for atleast a few more years.

I'll be keeping mine until I find something that I can't live without. I am trying to hold out for a super phone that isn't 4g. Just seems like a waste since it is not anywhere near me at all, and won't be for quite some time I'm sure.
Though, the new Samsung Galaxy S Pro is looking pretty dang tempting (3x more powerfull than EVO/Nexus processor)

I've had my Hero since January. I've been poking around the EVO forums, and since my dad has one, I'm not sure if I want to switch when I can upgrade or have cash up front. The Evo looks nice with a bigger screen compared to the Hero. I'm still not sold on the Evo as of yet. I'm sticking with my Hero since it's been tweaked to my liking.

I'm bouncing back and forth. The "next generation" android phones are supposed to be coming out by year-end. Not sure what that means, exactly, but something better than the Evo might be out by then. I have to wait until October to upgrade anyway. I might also be out of a job for a time, depending on what happens here at the office. My girlfriend has expressed an interest in my Hero after I upgrade, though, so I guess I might be keeping it in that respect. Who knows?

Im keeping my Hero until the first Android phone comes out with at least a SnapDragon processor and Froyo pre-loaded. Hopefully Sprint will get something like this (prolly not) so if its on T-Mo then so be it.

New phones were exciting when they used to be released once every year or two. Nowadays, with a hot, new phone coming out every few weeks, I don't bother with it any more. I am sticking with my Hero until it breaks and then I will buy whatever has replaced the EVO used on eBay for $50.

Most likely keeping mine until at least October, when I'm eligible for the yearly upgrade.
Read about way too many issues with the EVO, including improperly grounded touch screen, touch screen lag, 30 fps limitation, build quality, etc.
I'm pretty satisfied / happy with my Hero for now, especially the way I have it running .

doojer said:
New phones were exciting when they used to be released once every year or two. Nowadays, with a hot, new phone coming out every few weeks, I don't bother with it any more. I am sticking with my Hero until it breaks and then I will buy whatever has replaced the EVO used on eBay for $50.
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exactly. there just gonna keep coming out with better and better phones. the hero is already pretty badass, and im really looking forward to getting froyo ported to the hero.

Staying.. my hero does what i need it to.. plus have to much fun trying roms and such.. the evo is nice.. but i have up my 30 dollar sero for the hero.. dont want to pay that extra 10 dollars for the 4g when its 40 miles away.
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I will be kepping my Hero until Sprint releases the Hero 2 a.k.a. "HTC Legend"

rockypr said:
I will be kepping my Hero until Sprint releases the Hero 2 a.k.a. "HTC Legend"
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Not happening... it was called the Evo....

HeroMeng said:
Not happening... it was called the Evo....
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http://www.htc.com/www/product/legend/specification.html
You sure?

undecided as of now. I wanted an Evo but now....not so much. Maybe when the issues get ironed out, but at the moment, I believe the hero is more sound than the Evo.

abcdfv said:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/legend/specification.html
You sure?
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I read that At&t HTC Aria is the US version of the HTC Legend. Bah editing the original UK phones Sucks

Hero for now...for atleast a year...
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I like my Hero. It's not going anywhere for a long time.

Just upgraded to the Evo. Still have the hero laying around though. The hero is definately a great phone, but man things happen really fast with a snapdragon...

gomorrah said:
Im keeping my Hero until the first Android phone comes out with at least a SnapDragon processor and Froyo pre-loaded. Hopefully Sprint will get something like this (prolly not) so if its on T-Mo then so be it.
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That.
I wanted to get into a Droid when they first came out as I was with Verizon for 8+ years. For whatever reason, they would not cut me any breaks on a handset even though I was due for an upgrade. I really wanted to get my hands on an android handset was got so impatient with VZ that I walked next door to the Sprint store (literally across the parking lot) and grabbed what they had at the time. (It was Hero or Moment... not a hard choice)
This was back in March and I've been nothing but pleased with my choice. Granted, the Hero is older, slower hardware, but for someone wanting to experience and tinker with Android, the Hero has been a perfect fit. The community here around this handset is vast and we have so many mods and roms to play with. When I finally do get into a better handset, I'm going to have quite a bit of experience already with optimizing, modding, and really knowing how to get the absolute most out of my phone since all of us here are working with pretty limited resources compared to something like an Evo.
I'm glad I moved to Sprint and got the Hero. The pace of new, awesome phones coming out right now is crazy and when I'm ready to upgrade, I'll have my pick of amazing phones natively running 2.2/3.0. I am a bit weary about this mandatory 4G charge though. Hopefully by the time I'm ready to move on there will still be some quality offerings in plain 'ol 3G.

I'll be keeping my hero. I don't like the large screen on the EVO and there is no 4G coverage in Oklahoma yet that I know of. When time comes to upgrade we'll see what Sprint has to offer but until then it's the Hero all the way.

Keeping Hero, very happy
Read my signature The Hero is the best/coolest phone I've had, as I only upgrade every couple years...last one was a Samsung Rant and before that I was on a Nextel i870 (ooollldd)

My upgrade is due today...

I am stuck between the EVO and the Shift.
My wife has the EPIC, which has a really nice GPU, but I refuse to personally own a Samsung phone..
How is the GPU in the EVO Shift?
Is the smaller screen really a draw back?

I came from an Evo to the Shift. Don't want to go back.

Stuke00 said:
I am stuck between the EVO and the Shift.
My wife has the EPIC, which has a really nice GPU, but I refuse to personally own a Samsung phone..
How is the GPU in the EVO Shift?
Is the smaller screen really a draw back?
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It is really a matter of opinion. I had an Epic and I will tell you that there is no other smartphone line on the market that can match the graphics performance of the Hummingbird processor. They won't even come close.
That said, the GPU on the shift is not bad, its just not as good as the one in the SGS line. Personally, I don't play a lot of games on my phone and if I do they are not GPU intensive ones. My wife (she owns the shift and I now have an Evo) plays the sims on her phone and I've never seen it even stutter. I've watched full 1080p avi videos on both phones and never had an issue.
As to the screen, no one can say for you if its an issue. For me, it is. 3.6 is just too small but to my wife its more than enough. My suggestion would be to the sprint store and play with each. If you want the big screen the Evo is great and it has a great development community. If you want the keyboard, even though there doesn't seem to be a lot going on around here there are a lot of great devs would have already switched and are just waiting for permanent root to start releasing some very cool stuff.

For me, I wouldn't get or use my evo without the sprint extended battery for it. That fixes a major evo issue, battery life. It depends on what's most important features on a smartphone. I won't go through all the questions but figure out what you're wanting to do most often and go with the phone which that is it's strongpoints.
None of them do everything well.

I'm personally waiting for root on the Shift before I decide to buy it. Of course by then Sprint may announce something better. We'll see. My Hero is fine for now.

anthonyf27 said:
I'm personally waiting for root on the Shift before I decide to buy it. Of course by then Sprint may announce something better. We'll see. My Hero is fine for now.
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Might I ask why you're waiting for permanent root? You are of course entitled to your own opinion and can make your own decision, I just don't understand your reasoning.

kenvan19 said:
Might I ask why you're waiting for permanent root? You are of course entitled to your own opinion and can make your own decision, I just don't understand your reasoning.
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I agree, that's intriguing. Permanent root will happen, the Shift out of the box will blow your Hero away if you're worried about the bloatware.

I have the phone and I'm waiting for Perma root. In fact, if it's not achieved before my 30 days mark, I might take it back and buy it again once its done.
Use and abuse the 30 days I say. This also might free me up for whatever is being revealed on the 7th, which is one day after my 30 day mark.

Zardos66 said:
I have the phone and I'm waiting for Perma root. In fact, if it's not achieved before my 30 days mark, I might take it back and buy it again once its done.
Use and abuse the 30 days I say. This also might free me up for whatever is being revealed on the 7th, which is on day after my 30 day mark.
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I read something somewhere about what they are revealing but I forgot what it was and where I saw it, lol.

anthonyf27 said:
I'm personally waiting for root on the Shift before I decide to buy it. Of course by then Sprint may announce something better. We'll see. My Hero is fine for now.
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Like you, I'm currently using an HTC Hero (fully rooted, ROM'd, & themed). I'm due for my upgrade next month, but am having difficulty deciding between the Epic & Evo Shift. They both seem to have their strong points, but I'm just torn. I'm thinking I'll "test drive" the Epic (sAMOLED screen really looks nice), and if I don't like it I'll use the 30-day return policy & give the Evo Shift a try.
The biggest complaint I've been reading about the Epic is lack of support. I've figured out that this basically means people are upset that it doesn't have an official Samsung FroYo release yet. Understandable. HTC seems to have gotten better with their updates (my wife has an OG Evo), but I remember a time when we Hero users were very, very upset with HTC/Sprint because we didn't have Eclair for the longest time. Remember that?
Bottom line (for me) is that no phone manufacturer is perfect!

wardfan220 said:
I read something somewhere about what they are revealing but I forgot what it was and where I saw it, lol.
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I've read some speculation about an iPhone 4G, but I don't know if I believe it. I've always felt the iPhone and iOS were overrated - I wouldn't buy one even if Sprint did offer it. Android all the way for me!

tps70 said:
I've read some speculation about an iPhone 4G, but I don't know if I believe it. I've always felt the iPhone and iOS were overrated - I wouldn't buy one even if Sprint did offer it. Android all the way for me!
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I said something about that somewhere, but that's just total speculation on my part, based on VZW getting it. Unless you saw it elsewhere.

tps70 said:
Like you, I'm currently using an HTC Hero (fully rooted, ROM'd, & themed). I'm due for my upgrade next month, but am having difficulty deciding between the Epic & Evo Shift. They both seem to have their strong points, but I'm just torn. I'm thinking I'll "test drive" the Epic (sAMOLED screen really looks nice), and if I don't like it I'll use the 30-day return policy & give the Evo Shift a try.
The biggest complaint I've been reading about the Epic is lack of support. I've figured out that this basically means people are upset that it doesn't have an official Samsung FroYo release yet. Understandable. HTC seems to have gotten better with their updates (my wife has an OG Evo), but I remember a time when we Hero users were very, very upset with HTC/Sprint because we didn't have Eclair for the longest time. Remember that?
Bottom line (for me) is that no phone manufacturer is perfect!
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i had a hero too and i was one of those very upset people who waited forever for the 2.1 update....once it got leaked and i tried it i was so disappointed i finally rooted and never looked back...but i feel like sprint and htc took a lot of crap for that and look what happened with the evo....first carrier phone to get 2.2....so i think they may have learned their lesson so im hopeful updates will be quick for the shift

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I said something about that somewhere, but that's just total speculation on my part, based on VZW getting it. Unless you saw it elsewhere.
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I may have read where you posted it, but I've also seen it a couple other places including androidcentral.com's forums.

StAlphonso said:
i had a hero too and i was one of those very upset people who waited forever for the 2.1 update....once it got leaked and i tried it i was so disappointed i finally rooted and never looked back...but i feel like sprint and htc took a lot of crap for that and look what happened with the evo....first carrier phone to get 2.2....so i think they may have learned their lesson so im hopeful updates will be quick for the shift
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I completely agree! The Eclair update for the Hero was a definite disappointment. I was very apprehensive about rooting (fear of bricking my phone). Once I did it & realized how easy it actually was I kicked my self for not doing it sooner - no more dialer lag!
I hope you're right about HTC and their updates going forward. Maybe the Hero fiasco taught them a valuable lesson - the Evo 2.2 update and subsequent patch (Swype & other software) seems to show they've learned something. If the delay goes on much longer for the Epic users, Samsung may find a lot of people either jumping ship early or just refusing to buy their products in the future.
I know I'll most likely root whatever device I end up with, but I think Samsung's delay with FroYo is my biggest hangup because I don't want to go through it again!

tps70 said:
I completely agree! The Eclair update for the Hero was a definite disappointment. I was very apprehensive about rooting (fear of bricking my phone). Once I did it & realized how easy it actually was I kicked my self for not doing it sooner - no more dialer lag!
I hope you're right about HTC and their updates going forward. Maybe the Hero fiasco taught them a valuable lesson - the Evo 2.2 update and subsequent patch (Swype & other software) seems to show they've learned something. If the delay goes on much longer for the Epic users, Samsung may find a lot of people either jumping ship early or just refusing to buy their products in the future.
I know I'll most likely root whatever device I end up with, but I think Samsung's delay with FroYo is my biggest hangup because I don't want to go through it again!
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Honestly, if you are considering the Epic, don't. Its not worth the money. I bought it at launch and it was the biggest technological mistake I've ever made. I should have gone with my gut and gotten an Evo from the start. If the Epic gets froyo it will be the last update it gets, it will never see gingerbread or anything beyond. They've left the GPS barely functioning for this long and I doubt if they'll ever really care enough to fix it. The upside is you never really have to worry about bricking it because its already a brick.

I have a MacBook and love it. I thought I would like an iPhone but I read stories about the cons of the phone. I feel as if apple heavily censors some apps and deny some really useful apps because maybe they think someone could do something remotely black or grey hattish with it.
A Swiss army knife or leatherman multi tool can be very useful and handy sometimes. You could also use it to cut someone's brake lines or slit their throat. They decide that we aren't responsible enough to have something like that at our disposal. Once again, I digress.

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I have a MacBook and love it. I thought I would like an iPhone but I read stories about the cons of the phone. I feel as if apple heavily censors some apps and deny some really useful apps because maybe they think someone could do something remotely black or grey hattish with it.
A Swiss army knife or leatherman multi tool can be very useful and handy sometimes. You could also use it to cut someone's brake lines or slit their throat. They decide that we aren't responsible enough to have something like that at our disposal. Once again, I digress.
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kenvan19 said:
Honestly, if you are considering the Epic, don't. Its not worth the money. I bought it at launch and it was the biggest technological mistake I've ever made. I should have gone with my gut and gotten an Evo from the start. If the Epic gets froyo it will be the last update it gets, it will never see gingerbread or anything beyond. They've left the GPS barely functioning for this long and I doubt if they'll ever really care enough to fix it. The upside is you never really have to worry about bricking it because its already a brick.
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I appreciate the input... any input I get to help me decide. I still have a couple weeks to hash it out, so I'm researching & taking all opinions into account. Speaking of opinions... my ex-wife had a Moment which she cursed constantly... what did she "upgrade" to? You probably guessed it... the Epic.
I also plan to spend some more "hands on" time at the Sprint store with both phones.

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I appreciate the input... any input I get to help me decide. I still have a couple weeks to hash it out, so I'm researching & taking all opinions into account. Speaking of opinions... my ex-wife had a Moment which she cursed constantly... what did she "upgrade" to? You probably guessed it... the Epic.
I also plan to spend some more "hands on" time at the Sprint store with both phones.
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I do apologize for my harsh opinion. I felt very burned by Sprint and Samsung based on the fact that the sales rep sold me on the epic based on a claim that there would be 4g in my area within 2 months and that the Epic would have 2.2 in less than a month. However, when I came back to have them check out my wife's instinct the same guy told me that the Epic wouldn't be getting FroYo and as you are aware there is no official Froyo for it nor is there 4G in my area. I bought my wife a Shift because I knew she couldn't handle dealing with the Instinct any longer but I bought it off contract so that when hers is up we can leave Sprint and just pay my ETF. If I could get out of Sprint with just paying one ETF I would do it now.

[Q] Would you still buy a Samsung Epic 4G?

My wife due for a new phone. She has a HTC Touch Pro 2 now.
Would you still buy a Samsung Epic 4G or wait for something else? Here's the hitch, she loves the keyboard so... she wants a phone with a keyboard.
I've read the HTC EVO shift is not that great and the screen is smaller. That's why I was leaning toward the Epic 4G
Any suggestions would help. I know the Epic 4G is getting old and don't want her to get stuck with an older phone if a newer, better one is coming out soon.
p.s. Android phones only please. (I don't see Windows making it!)

The only thing better is the dual core, but then you get to go through all the development cycle again. Depends on whether you want stability or raw fracking power tech.
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Thanks!
She will be keeping the phone with the stock rom.
I think it will be fast enough for her. She just uses it for internet, youtube, texting, emails. Nothing too major.

Yes if it for an everyday user it the perfect phone! Beautiful screen and super fast for an everyday user!
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I would hold off and wait, the new phones are coming soon. You might find something you like better, if not then you could always get the epic then for less probably.
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Well, if you want her to be involved in the latest tech, I'd wait a bit until there's a phone that's dual-core and has a keyboard. Unfortunately, I haven't heard anything coming soon like that, so it's your choice.
For her basic uses and stuff, she might want to wait only because the keyboard on this phone is a bit laggy in its current state.
If she's okay with that, then buy an Epic It's still a great phone.

Yea as long as she doesn't mind a little wobble here and there on her phone...

i personally would just get the nexus! its a google phone so you know it will be supported by devs and google themselves
edit: nvm i didnt see the part that said she likes the keyboard
just go with the epic
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Absolutely! I've loved my device and I'm itching for my new one. Developing on it has been rewarding, and all the missed sleep has been worth it.

I went from the tp2 to the Epic and I don't how to say it in nice words. I had the tp2 for 1 1/2 years and if I had know how good android was compared to winmo 6.5 I would have thrown that thing in a lake. Going to the epic felt like going from a 486 dx2-66 to a quad core computer. IMOP the tp2 was the worst touch phone I have ever owned. If she is like my wife and just wants a nice phone that works and no modding then I would get the epic now. Everything on it is allmost instant when touched and I have not had any keyboard issues at all.
My epic is stock rom and rooted no custom roms. have had it for 6 months and only locked up twice so far where I had to pull the battery.
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minics04 said:
My wife due for a new phone. She has a HTC Touch Pro 2 now.
Would you still buy a Samsung Epic 4G or wait for something else? Here's the hitch, she loves the keyboard so... she wants a phone with a keyboard.
I've read the HTC EVO shift is not that great and the screen is smaller. That's why I was leaning toward the Epic 4G
Any suggestions would help. I know the Epic 4G is getting old and don't want her to get stuck with an older phone if a newer, better one is coming out soon.
p.s. Android phones only please. (I don't see Windows making it!)
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I just ordered my wife one a couple of days ago. Will be ordering my daughter one also.
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The keyboard has issues with skipping letters, which makes it very difficult to type fast on, and there's a slight wobble when open (nothing drastic).
I would definitely factor in software support too, which is severely lacking with the Epic 4G. You have to consider all the bug/security/critical fixes that are a significant part of the updates. I, personally, have been having software issues from the DK28 leak to EC05, Eclair was the only one that was every completely stable for me.

for 19.99 hell yea.
i love my epic, but ive recently played around with a mytouch 4g and that thing is blazing quick and snappy. everyone here says the epic is the quickest and best non dual-core phone (and i trust them since they know more than me), but i feel that phone is more responsive. it's stock and so is mine. its running adw like my epic. why do you guys think the mytouch runs much smoother?

What kind of software problems do you have? I have seen very little on my end. Confuses me on xda where some say there are a lot of problems and some have very few to all most no problems. I type very fast on my keyboard and it never skips a beat.
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Especially now that it comes with Froyo, an Epic is a no-brainer for these prices. I paid many times more and coming from an original Touch Pro, it was like going from a Dodge Dart hooptie to a Lamborghini.

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Especially now that it comes with Froyo
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Are you sure it comes with Froyo? I'm helping someone pick out a phone, and this person, like the OP's wife, will be using it completely stock and unrooted. I can't find the details on sprint.com either way, but Best Buy and Radio Shack both say 2.1 in their specs about the phone. I heard there were problems with the updates, so I'm not sure at all that it comes with 2.2, and that's a real consideration for someone who will be running this stock, I think.

edonnelly said:
Are you sure it comes with Froyo? I'm helping someone pick out a phone, and this person, like the OP's wife, will be using it completely stock and unrooted. I can't find the details on sprint.com either way, but Best Buy and Radio Shack both say 2.1 in their specs about the phone. I heard there were problems with the updates, so I'm not sure at all that it comes with 2.2, and that's a real consideration for someone who will be running this stock, I think.
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I can only go by what I saw in a local Sprint store. I would hope that they would have all their stock replaced with 2.2 versions out of the box, but even if they don't, a stock 2.1 phone should receive the 2.2 upgrade over the air fairly quick. I'd just advise trying to get it updated before installing much else on it. The latest Froyo is as official as it gets and is pushed everywhere to phones which can receive it, AFAIK.

i also came from a touch pro 2 and i was amazed how good the EPIC was I think it's a great phone. Plus radiosack.com has the epic for $19.99 with a new contract and $49 upgrade. That's a steal. I like the phone so much(and hated att service so much) the price drop doesn't even bother me. The last 6 months was worth the launch price.

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Plus radiosack.com has the epic for $19.99 with a new contract
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Oh my, thanks for that. We can't pass that up (totally new contract). If it doesn't have 2.2, I'll just go ahead and root it and put Syndicate on it.
With regard to the question the OP asked, I suppose my answer is that, yes, I would buy another Epic, at least right now. I've looked around at what Sprint currently has, and there's nothing I'd rather have than the Epic. The keyboard doesn't mean as much to me as I thought it would, but I'd still prefer the Epic to the Evo. I'm not sure the upcoming Nexus S is much better than the Epic. Now, once the Evo 3D comes out, that might be something to look at, but that's months away. I have no plans or desires to switch phones, but have been looking a lot to help someone else, and I'm glad that I discovered that the Epic is still the phone to get if you're tied to Sprint (company discount).

edonnelly said:
Oh my, thanks for that. We can't pass that up (totally new contract). If it doesn't have 2.2, I'll just go ahead and root it and put Syndicate on it.
With regard to the question the OP asked, I suppose my answer is that, yes, I would buy another Epic, at least right now. I've looked around at what Sprint currently has, and there's nothing I'd rather have than the Epic. The keyboard doesn't mean as much to me as I thought it would, but I'd still prefer the Epic to the Evo. I'm not sure the upcoming Nexus S is much better than the Epic. Now, once the Evo 3D comes out, that might be something to look at, but that's months away. I have no plans or desires to switch phones, but have been looking a lot to help someone else, and I'm glad that I discovered that the Epic is still the phone to get if you're tied to Sprint (company discount).
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If the keyboard doesn't mean that much to you, you might as well wait little over a week for the nexus, for the better form factor alone. I guess you're weighing price vs size & software support, all other things being almost equal.

I Miss My OG Evo

i felt like an idiot after buying a 3VO.
the dev-ing is still in early stages (to me), the 3d isnt really that impressive ( reminds me of holograpic x-men cards), and im basically stuck using sense 3.0 (after being on 3.5) if i wanna use 3D.
i knew it was a faster phone, but with the excellent kernels & streamlined roms of the 4g, i dont really feel the power....lol
i recommend sticking with the OG till they bring out the quad core evo next year, by that time the 3d should have a great following.
Since im on boost & only paid $100 for the 3VO i really shouldnt complain, but unless you can get one "dirt" cheap, dont switch

With the OG EVO hitting 2 years next summer everyone will get the latest phone so expect it to get a lot of support.

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i felt like an idiot after buying a 3VO.
the dev-ing is still in early stages (to me), the 3d isnt really that impressive ( reminds me of holograpic x-men cards), and im basically stuck using sense 3.0 (after being on 3.5) if i wanna use 3D.
i knew it was a faster phone, but with the excellent kernels & streamlined roms of the 4g, i dont really feel the power....lol
i recommend sticking with the OG till they bring out the quad core evo next year, by that time the 3d should have a great following.
Since im on boost & only paid $100 for the 3VO i really shouldnt complain, but unless you can get one "dirt" cheap, dont switch
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Thanks J_apa_n for the feedback. I added the 3d and the Epic Touch forums to my XDA favorite folder so I can keep up with the progress. However, neither phone seems ready for prime time just yet. At worse, the 3d is just too similar to the EVO to lock in another contract. The Epic Touch seems like a world beater, but has some troubling issues....especially considering Samsung's track record. On the EVO, it seems that after a lull in action, development has blown back up. I'm just hoping the HTC Edge is released as the next EVO once they add a CDMA radio.
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i'm still rocking the original evo and i'm glad i've stuck with it.
sadly, sprint coverage (voice and especially data) is horrendous in the place i now live and work - western and central pennsylvania - so i'm probably going to be switching over to verizon once i get a chance to play with the nexus and compare it to whatever g2s models are out.
but the ol' evo definitely has been good to me.

I dont even see how u can compare a evo to a evo3d. I guess when quadcore comes out everybody will be saying "its not much of a jump from the evo3d".

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i'm still rocking the original evo and i'm glad i've stuck with it...but the ol' evo definitely has been good to me.
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Ditto that!
I just grabbed a shinny new Free Evo 4G from Best Buy to keep as a back-up for my other Evo. I've tried a lot of ROMS but keep restoring old faithful, Myn's 2.2 with Net/SBC kernel. It absolutely rocks!! I tether 1.2 gigs/day (netflix junkie here) via Easytether.
I have no need to reinvent the wheel, have the "Latest & greatest," or keep up with the Joneses. My Evo is lightning-fast, silky-smooth and leaves the "Energizer Bunny" in the dust.