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WiFi calling tmous

Hi all, just wanted to know if any of the android builds or winmo roms allow WiFi calling, because I get no service in my house in nyc..Ty all
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BUMP. Cannot get any service within my college dorm either (yet outside, there are 5 bars and no network connectivity issues). I've been reading up on T-mobile wireless frequencies and their inability to effectively penetrate walls and other surfaces.
Here is the forum post from the Nexus boards (unfortunately a bit above my technological knowledge).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=807116
Apparently to get wifi calling working, kernel-deep implementation must be applied before the app is even installed.

Google voice, although I believe you have to use a different number. On the plus side you can use gvoice over 3g as well
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dung8604 said:
Google voice, although I believe you have to use a different number. On the plus side you can use gvoice over 3g as well
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Calls with GV android still go out over a standard cellular network so therefore this doesn't work in the case where you have no network access. An alternative is to use a SIP service in combination with GV which is terribly unreliable (I can speak from experience of using a variety of SIP services, et.al) and also uses a different telephone number which isn't ideal in my case. Thank you for the suggestion though.

gus_chi said:
Calls with GV android still go out over a standard cellular network so therefore this doesn't work in the case where you have no network access. An alternative is to use a SIP service in combination with GV which is terribly unreliable (I can speak from experience of using a variety of SIP services, et.al) and also uses a different telephone number which isn't ideal in my case. Thank you for the suggestion though.
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LOL, are we at the same school? No signal whatsoever when I was in my freshman dorm... Damn the walls were thick!
I had a backberry back then, which supports Wifi calling.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=774672
looks like cmyxlgo has it going in this thread (link above). do you know if this still takes minutes from your plan.
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smartphonedummy said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=774672
looks like cmyxlgo has it going in this thread (link above). do you know if this still takes minutes from your plan.
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Unfortunately yes it does take away from your minutes. T-Mobile decided to get rid of the '$20 unlimited wifi calling package' in exchange for the new UMA service. Its primary purpose now is to provide service where there isn't any and/or to allow customers traveling internationally to make phone calls using their plan minutes over wifi--completely avoiding the need for an overseas phone/plan.

gus_chi said:
Unfortunately yes it does take away from your minutes. T-Mobile decided to get rid of the '$20 unlimited wifi calling package' in exchange for the new UMA service. Its primary purpose now is to provide service where there isn't any and/or to allow customers traveling internationally to make phone calls using their plan minutes over wifi--completely avoiding the need for an overseas phone/plan.
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thanks, that is what i was afraid of. they also got rid of "my Faves", which eliminated free calling with google voice. has anyone had any luck with fring ?

gus_chi said:
Unfortunately yes it does take away from your minutes. T-Mobile decided to get rid of the '$20 unlimited wifi calling package' in exchange for the new UMA service. Its primary purpose now is to provide service where there isn't any and/or to allow customers traveling internationally to make phone calls using their plan minutes over wifi--completely avoiding the need for an overseas phone/plan.
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So, if you travel internationaly you're not charged roaming if you use your phone over wifi calling?. You just use your plan minutes as if they were domestic?

roycio said:
So, if you travel internationaly you're not charged roaming if you use your phone over wifi calling?. You just use your plan minutes as if they were domestic?
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WIFI Calling takes your call from anywhere in the world and routes it back to the states as if you were next to a T-Mobile tower. This doesn't mean that you can call a number that would be classified as roaming at no cost. For example, if you are in a London hotel and connect your phone via wifi to call a local London restaurant for reservations, this would be considered an international phone call. However, if you just call your friends and family with their US based area codes, you would just be using your minutes.
Source:
http://phandroid.com/2010/10/06/t-mobile-androids-getting-wi-fi-calling/

gus_chi said:
WIFI Calling takes your call from anywhere in the world and routes it back to the states as if you were next to a T-Mobile tower. This doesn't mean that you can call a number that would be classified as roaming at no cost. For example, if you are in a London hotel and connect your phone via wifi to call a local London restaurant for reservations, this would be considered an international phone call. However, if you just call your friends and family with their US based area codes, you would just be using your minutes.
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http://phandroid.com/2010/10/06/t-mobile-androids-getting-wi-fi-calling/
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Understood, thank you. Do you know if the sms work the same way or is only for voice?

roycio said:
Understood, thank you. Do you know if the sms work the same way or is only for voice?
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Yeah SMS works the same way. I really wish I could get this to work for me as well. But Wifi calling doesn't work on the newest HD2 Android builds.

Has anybody been able to get WIFI calling to work on TMOUS, NAND?

Doesn't seem that the Devs really care about this. It's hard to even find any info. I wish this could be done as Then I could replace my wife's blackberry with UMA with my Spare HD2.

I see one dev who seems to care. Check here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=927671
Notice where it says:
Coming Soon:
Kineto GAN interface(based on CM kernel style to help work on T-Mo US Wifi Calling)
Kineto is the company that created an app that can do wifi calling for certain android phones and the app was (I think) successfully ported to the Nexus One. It doesn't do cell tower to wifi handoffs because that is apparently a chip-based feature and this is purely a software solution.

dublus said:
I see one dev who seems to care. Check here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=927671
Notice where it says:
Coming Soon:
Kineto GAN interface(based on CM kernel style to help work on T-Mo US Wifi Calling)
Kineto is the company that created an app that can do wifi calling for certain android phones and the app was (I think) successfully ported to the Nexus One. It doesn't do cell tower to wifi handoffs because that is apparently a chip-based feature and this is purely a software solution.
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Yep. One of the smartest user comments all day
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Wifi calling on t-mobile g1 check out my video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYS8Gxvo9f0
wifi calling apk on the link below:
http://www.4shared.com/get/PCd_a-oA/WiFiCalling.html

real or fake? someone tested?

doesnt work... says invalid SIM.
tried with vodafone and tmobile sim but both no success

Works for me, downloaded to sdcard, installed via ASTRO, no problem

AndroidHAX said:
Works for me, downloaded to sdcard, installed via ASTRO, no problem
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the app works.. but the calling not.. says invalid sim at the app. so cant do anything.
can you call via wifi?
but wth do you want to call via wifi?
it costs money too. and extra connection.
why will you use wifi when you can call 24/7 with your sim all day ?

nickislauw said:
the app works.. but the calling not.. says invalid sim at the app. so cant do anything.
can you call via wifi?
but wth do you want to call via wifi?
it costs money too. and extra connection.
why will you use wifi when you can call 24/7 with your sim all day ?
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i just called my house using it, im assuming it called using wifi because it skipped over "Call With Google Voice?" pop up that i set it to do everytime i call. I dont even use all my minutes so i probably wont be all over this app but atleast i have it

AndroidHAX said:
i just called my house using it, im assuming it called using wifi because it skipped over "Call With Google Voice?" pop up that i set it to do everytime i call. I dont even use all my minutes so i probably wont be all over this app but atleast i have it
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wifi calling costs many though?
i read on that app it just costs as much as cellulair data.
so why in earth will people use wifi calling? they can just call without wifi. its called a PLAN

I get invalid sim as well I am on vodafone and not |T-Mobile..
Maybe you could change it to work on Vodafone?

i have tmobile, maybe thats why? might have to do with the APN or something

yay this is good but the thing I see is that if you are calling it may be going to the t-mobile servers ofc if thats the case only t-mobile sims may be able to get unless we edit the apk or spoof our sim but then also im guessing the wifi calling costs so not sure how this would work xD nice though

totally non sense. how can someone call using wifi or whatever internet source you may have to any cellular or telephone number untill you don't have some service provider etc... if this wifi calling is working over the internet, what application is it using?
seems totally fake or irrelavent

This apps works because i put the phone in airplain mode and use wifi only.
If you guys having problem then maybe it your phone. But, my phone is working, be glad that you have wifi calling.
This an oct 22,2008 phone not even the iphone 3g has this feature.
I have t-mobile usa provider phone.

add119 said:
This apps works because i put the phone in airplain mode and use wifi only.
If you guys having problem then maybe it your phone. But, my phone is working, be glad that you have wifi calling.
This an oct 22,2008 phone not even the iphone 3g has this feature.
I have t-mobile usa provider phone.
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i find this hard to believe since when i put mine into airplane mode to test it it said "wifi calling not available in airplane mode". Ive been trying to edit the .apk and see if i can get rid of that but no luck so far, so how are u doing it?

My bad it doesnt do wifi calling on airplane mode my bad. It does wifi calling on wifi though..

add119 said:
My bad it doesnt do wifi calling on airplane mode my bad. It does do wifi though..
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quite right, you think we can get a workaround?

I dont know im going to buy a new phone because i miss adobe flash content so much. I know this is out of topic but i miss my original droid before it got messed up.
G1 is nice when it was a backup phone in 2010. My main phone in 2008/2009 most of the time, until i sold my cliq. But, now i just want a phone with higher specs.
I try playing gameloft games HD/3D games that isnt working because of processor we have.
This developer now a days is coding their apps to make it work with 3.5 inches and beyond, with higher frame,Power vr ship specs.
I love my g1, but im going to buy either g2 or hd 7.
I think i speak for everyone having an phone for to long loses it power in long run.
And, wifi calling on this app only work with T-mobile sim card and wifi of course.

There is a wifi app.
it was ripped off the G2 and ported to the vibrant, so it is possible.
however its not that good.
it was taken out of most roms on the vibrant because of its buggyness/uslessness.
it drains battery pretty bad even when not running.
it uses minutes even when calling through wifi (the only purpose of the app is to get clear signal in places where there is none for tmobile customers and not to save on minutes)
Its just kinda buggy overall.
hopefully they'll release a cleaner app in the future, but for now its pointless if you get decent signal at home.

Honestly, this apps work fine to me. Im just disappointed that the developer now a days isnt supporting older device by coding the apps to higher specs phone.

Wanted to get an android phone with wifi calling capability for a friend who is currently in Iraq. My budget will not allow me to a buy a g2/mt4g, and a g1 seems like the cheapest option so this is where I began looking. So if I added an extra line on my family plan, grabbed a g1, rooted and installed this app would my friend be able to make calls as long as he has a wifi connection? Can anyone confirm this works without any access to the tmobile network?

zielin said:
Wanted to get an android phone with wifi calling capability for a friend who is currently in Iraq. My budget will not allow me to a buy a g2/mt4g, and a g1 seems like the cheapest option so this is where I began looking. So if I added an extra line on my family plan, grabbed a g1, rooted and installed this app would my friend be able to make calls as long as he has a wifi connection? Can anyone confirm this works without any access to the tmobile network?
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I'm not sure about on the g1, but on other phones it works, but it still uses t-mobile minutes.
so you can be away from the t-mobile network, but you still need to have a t-mobile plan and minutes.
its basicaly for those who have horrible signal at home, but do have a wifi connection.

International Wifi Calling test

Has anyone actually tested out the wifi calling hack by actually going to another country and using it? I am curious because in "airplane mode" the wifi calling app says it will not connect in that mode. I read on the t-mobile site that you should disable data roaming before trying to connect via wifi but that leaves me with a really uneasy feeling. I mean what if it fails? How would you know until you got back to the US and had a ridiculous bill! Your voice antenna remains on? Why does it need that?

copter105 said:
Has anyone actually tested out the wifi calling hack by actually going to another country and using it? I am curious because in "airplane mode" the wifi calling app says it will not connect in that mode. I read on the t-mobile site that you should disable data roaming before trying to connect via wifi but that leaves me with a really uneasy feeling. I mean what if it fails? How would you know until you got back to the US and had a ridiculous bill! Your voice antenna remains on? Why does it need that?
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WiFi calling isn't free.. It is just for people with poor signal.
It still uses your minutes

Master™ said:
WiFi calling isn't free.. It is just for people with poor signal.
It still uses your minutes
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I realize that. But let me rephrase: I would like to be able to use my minutes in another country utilizing wifi but avoiding international roaming charges. Has anyone tested this to see if it is possible?

copter105 said:
I realize that. But let me rephrase: I would like to be able to use my minutes in another country utilizing wifi but avoiding international roaming charges. Has anyone tested this to see if it is possible?
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Ooh... Okay, you could always call & ask T-Mobile..

copter105 said:
Has anyone actually tested out the wifi calling hack by actually going to another country and using it? I am curious because in "airplane mode" the wifi calling app says it will not connect in that mode. I read on the t-mobile site that you should disable data roaming before trying to connect via wifi but that leaves me with a really uneasy feeling. I mean what if it fails? How would you know until you got back to the US and had a ridiculous bill! Your voice antenna remains on? Why does it need that?
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I've used it in France and Germany and it worked fine. There were no surprise charges on my bill.

quadratic said:
I've used it in France and Germany and it worked fine. There were no surprise charges on my bill.
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Thanks for your reply! Just out of curiosity, were you able to accept incoming calls ok?

copter105 said:
Thanks for your reply! Just out of curiosity, were you able to accept incoming calls ok?
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I had incoming calls hard-forwarded directly to voicemail. On T-Mobile, if you're roaming internationally and your phone rings, you'll get charged for one minute even if you let it go to voicemail. I didn't feel like unforwarding every time I got on wifi, so I just left it as is.
I don't see any reason why it wouldn't have worked though. I've done it with my BlackBerry on UMA internationally and incoming worked fine.

Fall From VOIP Heaven

I fulfilled my quest to get a data only plan on the Atrix by buying an AT&T mifi and just putting the SIM card in my atrix. This required creating a new APN for isp.cingular, and for about 4 months this worked great with a pure voip setup.
A few days ago something happened. My Atrix seems to be stuck on EDGE. It will no longer connect to HSPA in the same locations that it used to be H+ 24 hours a day.
The basics have been covered: power cycling, airplane mode cycling. No use. The SIM itself seems okay since I tried putting it back in the mifi unit, and it got 3G like normal. That also rules out a tower problem.
Anyone have any ideas? I feel like an ass now since I bought the mifi on contract.

You can call At&t and switch it to a voice plan with an hspa data plan so you can use your atrix.
Kind of admitting defeat though.
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Perhaps try flashing a different radio on the atrix. It could be an Incompatibility issue ? Worth a shot I would say
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So, I tried flashing different radios. No luck. After that I thought maybe some fresh ROMs might do it some good. No luck on Alien, and then I installed CM7 and noticed something interesting. The "Use only 2g networks" setting is stuck on. I turn it off, go back, and soon as I look again it's on. Is there something special you have to do to save it, or could this be pointing to an underlying problem?

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So, I tried flashing different radios. No luck. After that I thought maybe some fresh ROMs might do it some good. No luck on Alien, and then I installed CM7 and noticed something interesting. The "Use only 2g networks" setting is stuck on. I turn it off, go back, and soon as I look again it's on. Is there something special you have to do to save it, or could this be pointing to an underlying problem?
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Nothing special is needed to save it. It could be throttling by AT&T do to your imei being that of an Atrix vs a mifi.
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try another at&t sim on your Atrix

cesierra said:
try another at&t sim on your Atrix
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I suspect att has caught you with imei check and you should try with other sim card.
but i suspect it may not work.
why not use it with MiFi only?

drpratik said:
I suspect att has caught you with imei check and you should try with other sim card.
but i suspect it may not work.
why not use it with MiFi only?
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The problem with the mifi is its terrible battery life. It only gets 4 hours in hotspot mode. If it could last as long as my phone, I wouldn't even mind carrying around two devices, but it doesn't.
Anyway, great news. After listening to everyone's suggestions I took the SIM out of my phone and noticed that I was then able to properly disable "Use only 2G networks". So, I ordered a new AT&T SIM online, called and had it activated, and now 3G and H are working properly again. And along the way I fell in love with CyanogenMod.
I expect I'll probably have to repeat this process every few months if they continue to slap down my SIM cards, but I consider it worth it for not having to pay for a voice/text plan. I am still on contract, but to anyone who is considering doing something like me, T-mobile recently started offering a $30 a month plan that gets you 5 GB of data, 100 minutes, and unlimited text, and it's for phones! The only hitch is that it's a month by month thing (no contract) and it's promotional, so who knows when they'll decide to cut it. But personally, I'm hoping it's a sign that carriers are finally moving in the right direction.

nalorite said:
The problem with the mifi is its terrible battery life. It only gets 4 hours in hotspot mode. If it could last as long as my phone, I wouldn't even mind carrying around two devices, but it doesn't.
Anyway, great news. After listening to everyone's suggestions I took the SIM out of my phone and noticed that I was then able to properly disable "Use only 2G networks". So, I ordered a new AT&T SIM online, called and had it activated, and now 3G and H are working properly again. And along the way I fell in love with CyanogenMod.
I expect I'll probably have to repeat this process every few months if they continue to slap down my SIM cards, but I consider it worth it for not having to pay for a voice/text plan. I am still on contract, but to anyone who is considering doing something like me, T-mobile recently started offering a $30 a month plan that gets you 5 GB of data, 100 minutes, and unlimited text, and it's for phones! The only hitch is that it's a month by month thing (no contract) and it's promotional, so who knows when they'll decide to cut it. But personally, I'm hoping it's a sign that carriers are finally moving in the right direction.
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what do you use for voip?

xxgmon3yxx said:
what do you use for voip?
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I setup a google voice enabled PBX with pbxes.org, back when they let you make them for free. I know for a while they stopped doing that; not sure what the current policy is.
Basically the pbx pretends to be a google talk client, so when someone calls my google voice number it goes to the pbx. Then I have an extension on the pbx that I register on my phone with the native android SIP client, which on CM7 works like a dream. Seriously far smoother and more reliable than sipdroid or csipsimple.
Oh and this does work for outgoing too, but if you're using a solution that doesn't (like google voice -> sipgate/ipkall -> pbxes.org), you can get around it with an app called Google Voice Callback. And it's still all free.

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I setup a google voice enabled PBX with pbxes.org, back when they let you make them for free. I know for a while they stopped doing that; not sure what the current policy is.
Basically the pbx pretends to be a google talk client, so when someone calls my google voice number it goes to the pbx. Then I have an extension on the pbx that I register on my phone with the native android SIP client, which on CM7 works like a dream. Seriously far smoother and more reliable than sipdroid or csipsimple.
Oh and this does work for outgoing too, but if you're using a solution that doesn't (like google voice -> sipgate/ipkall -> pbxes.org), you can get around it with an app called Google Voice Callback. And it's still all free.
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What is the native android SIP client? May I know the app?
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anupash said:
What is the native android SIP client? May I know the app?
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In 2.3 they added SIP calling to the android OS. It's not an app. Of course, in stock android it only works on wifi. Cyanogen unlocks its true potential by letting you use it on cellular too.

In my experience, on stock ROM SIP is an epic fail, both native and via apps (tried acrobits, sipdroid, csipsimple, sipagent). There is something funny about moto's audio routing stack, its not a network or settings issue.
Same settings and SIP providers - yes I tried two lol - , same apps, same network i.e. home Wifi, 100% perfect with nexus one. So I'm sure its Atrix specific. This happened on both stock 2.2 and 2.3 AT&T.
Custom ROM fixes this, CM7 native SIP works perfectly.
Can't remember for other ROMs, but they seemed to get apps working if not native SIP.
YMMV

Whose up for enabling WiFi Calling?

Sprint released an update yesterday for their S5's which enables WiFi calling. That got me thinking and after poking around in settings.db to see if the toggle existed in our notification panel, i found it is - "WifiCalling". Im wondering if anyone is up to digging into the code of the Sprint phone and seeing if it could be modified to work on the VZW.
Forgive the improper use of "Whose" in the title, it should be "Who's"

ArmedCitySlicker said:
Sprint released an update yesterday for their S5's which enables WiFi calling. That got me thinking and after poking around in settings.db to see if the toggle existed in our notification panel, i found it is - "WifiCalling". Im wondering if anyone is up to digging into the code of the Sprint phone and seeing if it could be modified to work on the VZW.
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im sure those without unlimited minutes might benefit from this
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I know I'd benefit. I still have old plan with unlimited data. I don't talk on the phone much, but I'd still like to have it
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I have a feeling some of this will be server-side reliant and we won't be able to use it until Verizon says so.

Is this the same as ASOP VoIP account in dialer?
Id like to to add my SIP account to my phone, which is in stock CM11 Dialer

elliwigy said:
im sure those without unlimited minutes might benefit from this.
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Those who find themselves in areas with weak cellular reception would as well.
joderme said:
I have a feeling some of this will be server-side reliant and we won't be able to use it until Verizon says so.
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Correct. WiFi calling isn't something we could simply activate on our phones. Verizon has to support it in order for the calls/texts to be properly routed, and as far as I know they don't (outside of using a network extender).

The Verizon messages app supports texts over wifi so this feature must already be partially enabled
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joshua.justice said:
The Verizon messages app supports texts over wifi so this feature must already be partially enabled
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I use Google Voice, paired with a free pbxes.org account and Sipdroid on my phone. Calls work just fine this way using my google voice line. Incoming and outgoing. It's like having a second line that just uses data. Sipdroid allows me to specify usage by placing a + in front of the phone number. This prevents me from needing to switch back and forth between default dialers or wait for it to prompt me, which messes up handsfree calling in the car.