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data for apps not saving

Basicly when I reboot or turn on my g1 I have to go through reseting my battery widget and my overclock app. I have tried reinstalling and unistalling. I have even deleted the apps and the dalvik for them off me partition. Anyone run into this? I would like to fix without a wipe. I just spent the last 3.5 hours reflashing, setting up wifi and data, and arraging icons. I really dnt feel like doing that again.

Almost for got the names of the apps. The battery widget is from curvefish and the overclock is from billy chu overclock widget. !MODS PLEASE FORGIVE IF I POSED IN THE WRONG SECTION!

pistol4413 said:
Basicly when I reboot or turn on my g1 I have to go through reseting my battery widget and my overclock app. I have tried reinstalling and unistalling. I have even deleted the apps and the dalvik for them off me partition. Anyone run into this? I would like to fix without a wipe. I just spent the last 3.5 hours reflashing, setting up wifi and data, and arraging icons. I really dnt feel like doing that again.
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Now that you mention it... I've noticed a problem with Locale. I don't use the ones that you mentioned so I can't comment. But with Locale, I use it to send texts to my girl to make sure she's up for work (three alarm clocks aren't enough but a text from me seems to work just fine). I set it up differently almost every day.
The conditions are based on time, which change depending on what time she wants to wake up by my text. So I make the changes, save twice, hit home and I should be done, right? Not always. Several times the condition didn't save and she ends up getting the text either way too early or way too late. Pretty annoying. So to make sure it saves, I have to reboot and check it on the next start up. Sometimes it saved and works, sometimes I have to try it 3 or 4 times to get it to stick. I do nothing different and I consider myself a pretty loyal user of the app. Let's put it this way... if twofourtyfouram decided to charge $20 for the app, it would suck but I wouldn't hesitate to buy it even if it doesn't always save for me. Anymore then $20 I would probably just remind myself to silence my phone so my custom Saw ringtone for my mother doesn't go off in church... again. Damn Meltus v3 audio mod!

Could be a defect in the programs themselves, OR, if you've been messing around (i.e. with apps2sd), then you could have a PERMISSIONS problem. Look around for the fix permissions script and try that.

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lbcoder said:
Could be a defect in the programs themselves, OR, if you've been messing around (i.e. with apps2sd), then you could have a PERMISSIONS problem. Look around for the fix permissions script and try that.
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How would I go about doing that? And use marcus' apps2sd app

lbcoder said:
Could be a defect in the programs themselves, OR, if you've been messing around (i.e. with apps2sd), then you could have a PERMISSIONS problem. Look around for the fix permissions script and try that.
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I do fix_permissions from terminal everytime I install/update an app.
It may just be Locale, but I've never read about someone else with the same problem as myself. I've even tried removing the app and browsing to /data/ and /dalvik-cache/ to make sure there was nothing left behind.
I still get the issue but not very frequently.

logcat
I have the logcat if anyone thinks they can help. Email me at [email protected] and I will send it to them.

logcat file
its attached to the message. hopefully someone will read this thread and provide a solution to fix this that doesnt envole the words WIPE AND REFLASH! srry it had to be a zip i didnt feel like breaking up the log

problem solved!
Well after numerous emails back and forth with the devs of the apps I was having issues with I found the solution:
$su
#cd /data/data
#rm -rf (enter app name) ex. Com.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx
MODE IS.NEED BE U CAN LOCK/CLOSE THREAD!

[Q] Bell - Any way to remove sys apps; add tomtom?

I just traded up from an HTC Legend to a Desire Z but unfortunately I have two gripes which are both due to Bell:
1) Preinstalled games and apps. Asphalt 5; Cyberon Voice; GPS Navigator; Kobo; Let's Golf!; Remote PVR; SoundHound; Tunes & Apps; TV & Radio; UNO; Zoompass. 11 apps that I don't need. 11!
2) HTC Locations is missing. Instead they want you to use GPS Navigator which is $10 a month. No thanks!
Anyway my questions are:
1) Is there any way to remove the excess apps without a full root? Ex: with VISIONary + another apps?
2) Is there any way to get HTC Locations back? I see it in some of the system settings, but can't actually launch it.

not too sure about htc places, but to remove those waste of space third party Apps all you need to do is run visionary. once you've done that, load up Root Explorer application and navigate to /system/app/ directory. here you will find those pesky Apps and games, but be careful with what you delete. some of these apk's are critical to htc sense. good luck... let me know how it turns out.
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Thanks for the reply but as with my Legend, it's all back after reboot. :-(

Sorry, I currently just experienced the same thing. I think this occurs due to the apk remaining in /data/Dalvik-cache/ files. I would suggest deleting the files corresponding to the .apks you remove and repeat the first process as well.
Sent from my HTC Desire Z

That seemed to have solve the problem. I just rebooted and they did not return. Let me know if it works for you.
Sent from my HTC Desire Z

No go. I deleted from /system/app and /data/dalvik-cache but after reboot, everything is back.
Maybe you did a power down and then turned it on again - since they have quick-boot now (aka sleep mode) it doesn't actually power down or restart the phone, causing it to appear as if the changes stuck when they didn't.
I remember reading that you need a true root to get rid of sys apps on HTC phones, but I also thought I saw something about doing it from command line on a PC somehow.
The practice of preloading uninstallable demos and useless apps is unacceptable.. ugh

have you checked the G2 forums ??
This same Q for this same device has been previously asked and discussed there
They are lightyears away form us
I still think both forums should be merged...
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gtrab said:
have you checked the G2 forums ??
This same Q for this same device has been previously asked and discussed there
They are lightyears away form us
I still think both forums should be merged...
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Agreed, it's going to be kinda silly have the two sets of forums. On the G2 they've figured out loads of things like this already.

The new HTC phones have a good system protection thing going on.
Basically each time you reboot the phone it checks to see if the contents of /system has been edited (apps added or removed etc etc) then if it has changed it will reflash it back to stock.
Basically you can root using "visionary" and make any changes you want, but as soon as you reboot it will all change back.
That being said Modaco has now come up with a method for removing apps permanently but not adding them.

Lennyuk said:
The new HTC phones have a good system protection thing going on.
Basically each time you reboot the phone it checks to see if the contents of /system has been edited (apps added or removed etc etc) then if it has changed it will reflash it back to stock.
Basically you can root using "visionary" and make any changes you want, but as soon as you reboot it will all change back.
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That was the original story, but I think it's been debunked now, hasn't it ? It doesn't revert things to normal once you reboot (as proved by Paul's program which can delete built-in apps), but merely prevents you from writing to the on-board storage.

steviewevie said:
That was the original story, but I think it's been debunked now, hasn't it ? It doesn't revert things to normal once you reboot (as proved by Paul's program which can delete built-in apps), but merely prevents you from writing to the on-board storage.
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not quite
Pauls method basically tricks the phone into thinking the app was legitimately removed therefore it doesn't think there is an issue so won't reflash it.

Lennyuk said:
not quite
Pauls method basically tricks the phone into thinking the app was legitimately removed therefore it doesn't think there is an issue so won't reflash it.
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I don't think that's right though. Paul's method just fools the phone into deleting the app as part of a supposed update.
There is no check to see if anything's been changed when the phone boots, as far as I can tell from the G2 forums.

steviewevie said:
I don't think that's right though. Paul's method just fools the phone into deleting the app as part of a supposed update.
There is no check to see if anything's been changed when the phone boots, as far as I can tell from the G2 forums.
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Well it has to check something otherwise it would not know to erase anything you change like Overclock levels etc.....

Lennyuk said:
Well it has to check something otherwise it would not know to erase anything you change like Overclock levels etc.....
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It doesn't erase those though, it's just that when you "change" them via the tools, it doesn't write to the internal storage, it's just caching the changes in RAM. So it reads the cache and uses the changes. When you reboot, of course the cache is flushed, so the changes disappear.
They used to think there was a "revert to stock on reboot" thing on the G2 too, a few weeks back. No disrespect, but this is an example of how out of date "we" are here on the DZ forums, compared to the G2 which has been out a few weeks now.

steviewevie said:
It doesn't erase those though, it's just that when you "change" them via the tools, it doesn't write to the internal storage, it's just caching the changes in RAM. So it reads the cache and uses the changes. When you reboot, of course the cache is flushed, so the changes disappear.
They used to think there was a "revert to stock on reboot" thing on the G2 too, a few weeks back. No disrespect, but this is an example of how out of date "we" are here on the DZ forums, compared to the G2 which has been out a few weeks now.
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hmm, I am still not convinced caching would hold it without significantly lowering perfomance, plus why the very very long boot times when you do make a change and then reboot?

Lennyuk said:
hmm, I am still not convinced caching would hold it without significantly lowering perfomance, plus why the very very long boot times when you do make a change and then reboot?
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Try asking about this on the G2 forum if you like ...

On the caching thing, there's more in the Wiki - http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Intro . Specifically :
For anyone interested-- despite what the blogs are saying-- THERE IS NO "ROOTKIT" and THERE IS NO "RESTORE ON REBOOT". What *is* happening is that Android thinks it's writing to the eMMC (memory card), but it is not. What you are seeing as a successful write is just the cache
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And here's the proof - http://pastebin.com/cm75Z9UA

Lennyuk said:
hmm, I am still not convinced caching would hold it without significantly lowering perfomance, plus why the very very long boot times when you do make a change and then reboot?
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Because that's a REAL reboot
The fabulous fake "5 seconds boot time" is just a hibernation trick, a feature called "HTC Fast Boot" (= power off hybernates instead of really "powering off").
Check the G2 forums, this has been confirmed by HTC.
When you press "power off", the phone DOESN'T power off, it just "hibernates", then when you power the phone on again, you see the "amazing 5 seconds boot up"
If you want REAL power off you have to REMOVE THE BATTERY
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gtrab said:
Because that's a REAL reboot
The fabulous fake "5 seconds boot time" is just a hibernation trick, a feature called "HTC Fast Boot" (= power off hybernates instead of really "powering off").
Check the G2 forums, this has been confirmed by HTC.
When you press "power off", the phone DOESN'T power off, it just "hibernates", then when you power the phone on again, you see the "amazing 5 seconds boot up"
If you want REAL power off you have to REMOVE THE BATTERY
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So how long are these very very long boot times??? Have had android 2.1 take about 1 minute to load up normally on a 600mhz processor, so surely 2.2 wouldn't take much longer than this?! ???
Anyway, back to the question (in a way)...
Is TomTom actually available as standard on the Desire Z? As I'm sure I read somewhere that it was Route66 or some other software with a similar name, not TomTom...

gtrab said:
Because that's a REAL reboot
The fabulous fake "5 seconds boot time" is just a hibernation trick, a feature called "HTC Fast Boot" (= power off hybernates instead of really "powering off").
Check the G2 forums, this has been confirmed by HTC.
When you press "power off", the phone DOESN'T power off, it just "hibernates", then when you power the phone on again, you see the "amazing 5 seconds boot up"
If you want REAL power off you have to REMOVE THE BATTERY
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yes thanks but I knew this already, I knew this from the moment I heard of the new "fast boot" its the same as blackberry have been using for years

Dialer app and other unneeded apps.

I keep finding Dialer running on my 101. How do I remove it entirely and what other apps can I remove?
Sent from my A101IT using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

First of all your device must done permanent rooted.
I had used this method http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=930197
After rooted you can move/remove these apps from /system/app to /sdcard/backup via Root Explorer app.
- DemoMode.apk
- OnlineRegistration.apk
- Protips.apk
- QuickSearchBox.apk
- StartupWizard.apk
- TelephonyProvider.apk
- Phone.apk <-- when you move/remove this app an error message will show as force close, reboot your device.
Do it with your own risk.

jakkrith said:
First of all your device must done permanent rooted.
I had used this method http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=930197
After rooted you can move/remove these apps from /system/app to /sdcard/backup via Root Explorer app.
- DemoMode.apk
- OnlineRegistration.apk
- Protips.apk
- QuickSearchBox.apk
- StartupWizard.apk
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Yeah these can go. There is another one the firmware upgrade thing I don't have access to my device just now but I suspect it can go too.
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- TelephonyProvider.apk
- Phone.apk <-- when you move/remove this app an error message will show as force close, reboot your device.
Do it with your own risk.
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And again with the TelephonyProvider.apk and Phone.apk. I can't understand why people want to remove them.
It's not because the Archos is not a phone that they are not needed to support the Android operating system and all the apps that you are going to be install.
TelephonyProvider.apk is only 49k and probably does contain no real functionality only entrypoints for other apps that expect the functionality to be there.
Phone.apk contains the complete contacts management and probably also some empty entrypoints that other applications expect.
So even IF you could remove them it would cripple about 50% of all apps you could install via the market.

wdl1908 said:
And again with the TelephonyProvider.apk and Phone.apk. I can't understand why people want to remove them.
It's not because the Archos is not a phone that they are not needed to support the Android operating system and all the apps that you are going to be install.
TelephonyProvider.apk is only 49k and probably does contain no real functionality only entrypoints for other apps that expect the functionality to be there.
Phone.apk contains the complete contacts management and probably also some empty entrypoints that other applications expect.
So even IF you could remove them it would cripple about 50% of all apps you could install via the market.
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I'm noticing this is a real bugbear for you!
I think people initially started asking about this because of this thread on the Nook forum. It was suggested that removing these would shut off the cell standby service, and improve battery life ... dramatically.
Have to say, I'm using Uruk 0.5, which has Telephony.apk and phone.apk removed, and have not had any problems installing any apps, using contacts etc.

fisha21 said:
I'm noticing this is a real bugbear for you!
I think people initially started asking about this because of this thread on the Nook forum. It was suggested that removing these would shut off the cell standby service, and improve battery life ... dramatically.
Have to say, I'm using Uruk 0.5, which has Telephony.apk and phone.apk removed, and have not had any problems installing any apps, using contacts etc.
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Good for you did you read the thread? on page 14 ther are some interesting observations about removing those files. It does not affect battery life. But I guess impression are everything. Anyway I still suspect people are going to run into trouble by removing these things.

wdl1908 said:
Good for you did you read the thread? on page 14 ther are some interesting observations about removing those files. It does not affect battery life. But I guess impression are everything. Anyway I still suspect people are going to run into trouble by removing these things.
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have to say, no I didn't read much of that thread! Doubt it's something I would have bothered removing myself, but thought I'd mention that the setup I'm using hd them removed and it didn't seem to be causing any problems.
Though, if I do get odd problems with contacts, apps not working properly, I'll know what to check first, won't I

After removed TelephonyProvider.apk and Phone.apk I have not found any problem about Market app download. Contact app still work fine and can sync with Google contact.

I can't see noticeable battery saving by removing both phone.apk and telephoneprovider.apk; but agree removing them don't have any negative effects so far

CM7 - things I can delete without a problem?

I've removed these (below) seemingly without any adverse impact.
camera.apk
MMS.apk
Phone.apk
TelephonyProvider.apk
Are there any other apks that the Nook CANNOT use, and could be removed without impacting the device? Like looking at battery use - Phone Idle is the 2nd most active... Can I rip that out anywhere?
My apologies in advance if there is a thread of this (for the Nook) - just post the URL and I'll read that.

There was actually a fair bit of experimentation about this a while back and IIRC it was found that removing the apps didn't affect battery life at all, since they had no hardware to power up to do anything to, but did cause apps to dissapear from the market instead.
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The only advantage I've found from removing default apps (besides the 10 MB or so of flash that is saved...) is that the Nook boots up faster. Once booted I've seen no differences except the expected FC if you try to launch an app that requires something that you removed.
Martian21

Even if it doesn't effect battery life, I tend to remove things that are of no use on the Nook. My list of removed apk's include:
Camera.apk
Cyanbread.apk
Email.apk (I use Gmail)
FileManager.apk (I use Root Explorer)
LiveWallpapers.apk
LiveWallpapersPicker.apk
MagicSmokeWallpapers.apk
Mms.apk
Phone.apk
Protips.apk
SoundRecorder.apk
TelephonyProvider.apk
ThemeChooser.apk
ThemeManager.apk
VisualizationWallpapers.apk
VoiceDialer.apk
After moving these to my SD card for safe keeping should anything go awry, I reboot immediately and haven't experienced any issues at all. If you don't reboot pronto, it can go into a force close loop, but after a reboot, everything's fine.

shawn605 said:
Like looking at battery use - Phone Idle is the 2nd most active... Can I rip that out anywhere?
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And in answer to this question, "Phone Idle" is just what the O/S calls it when your device isn't doing anything else (but is still "awake"). Replace the word "Phone" with the word "Device", and think about your car idling, and you'll get the picture.

Unfortunately they come back when you flash an update.

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And in answer to this question, "Phone Idle" is just what the O/S calls it when your device isn't doing anything else (but is still "awake"). Replace the word "Phone" with the word "Device", and think about your car idling, and you'll get the picture.
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Clever, so what do we remove?

epitaphromance said:
Clever, so what do we remove?
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In order to increase battery life? As far as anyone can tell, removing APKs doesn't really make your battery last any longer, as the O/S doesn't use them unless called upon to do so. (If, for example, phone.apk was eating your battery, then you would see "Cell Standby" on the Battery Use screen.) Removing them (refer to the list ChrisDDD posted) can make the Nook boot up faster, but if some application tries to access them and they aren't there, then you can get Force Close errors.
A large "Phone Idle" percentage just means that most of your battery was taken up by your Nook sitting there, awake, waiting for you to do something with it. It is actually the lowest battery drain status you can have, except for Deep Sleep. If your Nook is not going into Deep Sleep, then you'll want to read through the other threads on this issue for ideas on how to fix that. (Turning Wifi turn off when the screen is off seems to help me.)

bigbob23 said:
Unfortunately they come back when you flash an update.
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Not if you remove then from the /system/app folder in the ROM .zip file before you flash it. Grap 7-zip and have at it.

Release candidate bull archos gen8 CM7

Hi,
I would like to reply on the Dev Thread, but I'm not allowed to do it...
I installed the Mod. with no Problems.
Here my experience with it :
- for the First Time since I have my Archos 101 (1 Year), I can go to deep Sleep
On Stock or Uruk, I never had it. That's great !
- the UI is very responsive, better then Stock
- I installed the Market, did the Fix, but there is a lot of missing Appz.
- there is a strange Noise after a few Minutes in Standby and after Wake up. I don't know what it is, never heard it before. The Noise sounds like "Klack"
- Is there a possibility to remove the Phone Things, like the Icon for Phone Net ?
Bye
Nicusasch

nicusasch said:
Hi,
I would like to reply on the Dev Thread, but I'm not allowed to do it...
I installed the Mod. with no Problems.
Here my experience with it :
- for the First Time since I have my Archos 101 (1 Year), I can go to deep Sleep
On Stock or Uruk, I never had it. That's great !
- the UI is very responsive, better then Stock
- I installed the Market, did the Fix, but there is a lot of missing Appz.
- there is a strange Noise after a few Minutes in Standby and after Wake up. I don't know what it is, never heard it before. The Noise sounds like "Klack"
- Is there a possibility to remove the Phone Things, like the Icon for Phone Net ?
Bye
Nicusasch
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The market fix, indeed doesn't work. We will take care of this in the future.
The popping noise is when the device goes to sleep and comes out of it. For testing it is a nice thing to have when it keeps popping I know something is getting it out of sleep. However it shouldn't do that, so we see what we can do about it.
We were looking at those phone related things, but where afraid to remove it right now. We don't know yet if it will brake some other things if we remove it.
divx118

The market works!!!!!
I Installed the gapps from cm7 wiki (gb-gapps) and those worketd for me
Download the file
Download root explorer
Copy the files to /system (make sure it doesn't add a /app dir in /system/app)
Restart and have fun!
Then download market 3.3.11

coen22 said:
I Installed the gapps from cm7 wiki (gb-gapps) and those worketd for me
Download the file
Download root explorer
Copy the files to /system (make sure it doesn't add a /app dir in /system/app)
Restart and have fun!
Then download market 3.3.11
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Can you find dolphin hd browser in the market?
divx118

Hi Divx118,
thank you for your reply and, of course, the great work.
I have new Info: to boot Uruk from the AnoaBoot, I made some changes in Uruk.
The first Time I made a mistake, so I had to do all from Beginning.
After that Uruk works fine, and after Boot CyanogenMod (new), the Market was Installed (I think the Prev. Downloaded Zip was still there), and it Updates itself.
I did not the market fix and there is a lot more Appz.
For the Phone things, for me it will be enough, if I can remove the Icon in the statusbar.
Bye
Nicusasch
divx118 said:
The market fix, indeed doesn't work. We will take care of this in the future.
The popping noise is when the device goes to sleep and comes out of it. For testing it is a nice thing to have when it keeps popping I know something is getting it out of sleep. However it shouldn't do that, so we see what we can do about it.
We were looking at those phone related things, but where afraid to remove it right now. We don't know yet if it will brake some other things if we remove it.
divx118
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nicusasch said:
Hi Divx118,
thank you for your reply and, of course, the great work.
I have new Info: to boot Uruk from the AnoaBoot, I made some changes in Uruk.
The first Time I made a mistake, so I had to do all from Beginning.
After that Uruk works fine, and after Boot CyanogenMod (new), the Market was Installed (I think the Prev. Downloaded Zip was still there), and it Updates itself.
I did not the market fix and there is a lot more Appz.
For the Phone things, for me it will be enough, if I can remove the Icon in the statusbar.
Bye
Nicusasch
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Yes, if the zip is still there it will unzip and install to /system/app on boot. The phone related things will be looked at in the next release.
divx118

@nicusasch:
What changes did you do in Uruk, to get it running from Multiboot?

Hi Fzelle,
I found a Howto here in the Forum, I didn't have the Link, but I have a Word Docx, where I copied it in :
View attachment howto.docx
Bye
Nicusasch
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@nicusasch:
What changes did you do in Uruk, to get it running from Multiboot?
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Thanks.
I knew that description, but have hoped that you had an easier way ;-)