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Hi there, I have been a member for a while now but never posted before!
I have followed many of the hints, tips and suggestions on this forum and have had a great time with my O2 XDA mini s but now find myself needing more help !
In fixing my mini s stylus issue I voided the warranty. A couple of weeks ago a colleague managed to knock a screwdriver into the empty battery compartment. I was swapping the sim card but got called away. The screwdriver pierced the sticker giving the IMEI number and damaged the electrical component under it. The component is labelled 3R3.
After calming down and restarting the mini s, all was ok apart from the backlight which would not work at all. I took my phone to a local phone repair shop who had it for a week then said they could not fix it as it needs a new mainboard - typical !
I have spoken with O2 who will charge me £17.50 to send my phone off to a company called A Novo who (I was told) will then send it back unrepaired as the warranty is voided. Totally pointless.
Does anyone know where I might be able to get my mini s repaired or has anyone got a broken mini s with a good mainboard they are willing to sell me ?
thanks
If you send it to Anovo they can quote you for a non warranty repair, this way you will know whether its worth while paying for the repair. BTW Anove are based in Norwich. I believe there is a link form the o2 xda web site that has a contact number.
Hope that helps
LB
LB,
thanks for the reply.
I have had a hunt through the o2 XDA site but cannot seem to find any reference to Anove. I have even googled them and not found anything like.
A-Novo Radiophone
Vulcan Road North
Norwich
Norfolk
NR6 6AQ
England
TEL +44 (0) 1603 269906
FAX +44 (0) 1603 269911
AlanJC,
thanks - i'll get straight on to them.
Has anyone else used them? If so what are they like ?
Cheers
These people seem ok.
I did not actually need to use them in the end so I can't tell you what they are like, but give them a try.
They are authorised repairers for HTC models.
If you contact them and explain the fault, they will give you a quote before they carry out the work.
http://www.apexlaptops.co.uk
0871 789 0379
[email protected]
Good Luck!
If nothing works out for you, I've got a almost like new main board lying right here on my desk! I purchased a damaged wizard to grab a part out of it i needed for mine but the main board is still in perfect shape. I could sell it to you with or without the camera, your choice. PM me if interested.
Markee said:
These people seem ok.
I did not actually need to use them in the end so I can't tell you what they are like, but give them a try.
They are authorised repairers for HTC models.
If you contact them and explain the fault, they will give you a quote before they carry out the work.
http://www.apexlaptops.co.uk
Good Luck!
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Apex laptops are overpriced and most definatley NOT HTC authorised - most of their 'parts' come salvaged from broken units. Check their website. Then go elsewhere...!
Richard
Thanks for all your replies.
I am following up all the options. I'll let you know what I find - if you're interested!
cheers
b19dmj said:
Thanks for all your replies.
I am following up all the options. I'll let you know what I find - if you're interested!
cheers
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Depending on where you are in Yorkshire, you could take your device to Bulmers second hand shop in York on a wednesday or saturday and ask for 'Dave' - big guy with glasses. He does board level repairs on xda's but is usually quite busy.
Richard
Apex laptop
Apex laptops do not use parts from broken pda's. They come direct from factory. I bought a new XDA II case and it is perfect!
i would highly recomend them.
they are not overpriced either. they say if you find a price cheaper elsewhere they will beat that!
check it out http://www.apexlaptops.co.uk/HTCspares.htm
hope this helps someone.
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Apex laptops do not use parts from broken pda's. They come direct from factory. I bought a new XDA II case and it is perfect!
i would highly recomend them.
they are not overpriced either. they say if you find a price cheaper elsewhere they will beat that!
check it out http://www.apexlaptops.co.uk/HTCspares.htm
hope this helps someone.
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Ok, then why do they have Qtek 2020 boards listed - if they came direct from HTC they would have no reseller rom flashed to them. Trust me, I know. They alos charge £295 for this board! MORE THAN A COMPLETE DEVICE.
They also list the housing at £25 and the front bezel at £30, battery cover at £15 and aeriel cover at £15 = £85.
I sell the complete housings on ebay for the himalayas / alpine for £25....and they are the entire housing inc the battery cover!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130015502288
So you don't think that much of a massive markup is overpricing? £85 from them or £25 from me. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm............
So, I state again, they are OVERPRICED.
Richard
edit - second HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM....
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Hi folks,
Allow me to intoduce myself.
I am the Service Manager for a UK based laptop and PDA repair company, Apex Laptops. With regards to the PDA repair side of our company, we specialise in mainly iPAQ PDA's but are finding a large number of people wanting HTC repairs.
We have tried many sources to obtain parts, the most unhelpful being 02's actual XDA repair center, ANOVA.
We are trying to find a company or people who would like to give / sell their broken / unwanted HTC's to us. Working or not, we do not mind.
If you know or have any information which may be of use to us, we will certainly be most grateful.
Thanks for your time and hopefully look forward to speaking to you soon.
Mr P.Marlow
Service Manager
APEX LAPTOPS
Tel : 08450 95 55 35
Web : www.apexlaptops.co.uk
Email : [email protected]
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So the 'highly recommended' in the above posts for apexlaptops - comes from APEXLAPTOPS. And they want to buy up your broken PDA's for parts.....
Apex Laptops
I tried Apex Laptops with no success. I emailed them with the details and received an email back saying someone would be in touch soon. Several days later I received another email asking for a little more detail. I sent the reply and have heard nothing since. I even emailed them with prompt for my estimate! Just nothing from them.
On the other hand, fluffcat1 and Dave in York have been more than helpful. I can recommend them both
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On the other hand, fluffcat1 and Dave in York have been more than helpful. I can recommend them both
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Dave says it's all working now as well - I've dropped the rear casing bits off today - was trying for last sat but was busy, sorry, my fault.
Bet he's a lot cheaper than Apex 'we need to replace the entire mainboard' laptops as well :wink: who incidently have deleted the thread I quoted from above but not the other posts they previously made - go on, have a search!...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?search_author=munkeemajic
Richard
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Munkeemajic wants to sue me everybody...
..free speech means nothing obviously!
munkeemajic said:
Fluffcat I urge you to stop posting comments about our company.
Accusations such as these will not be tolerated.
For the last time please remove all comments made against our company Apex Laptops.
We will proceed with legal matters if your comments such as Apex "we need to replace the entire mainboard" Laptops are not removed within 24 hours as of 09:00 16 August 2006.
We find these comments damaging to our companies reputation and unfair. As such you may be sued for any damages.
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Bear this in mind when considering Apex Laptops for parts or repairs! And also that they recommend their own company ( see above ) without full disclosure of their position within said company. Me, I'm bricking it now, honest....
Richard
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fluffcat1 said:
Munkeemajic wants to sue me everybody...
..free speech means nothing obviously!
Bear this in mind when considering Apex Laptops for parts or repairs! And also that they recommend their own company ( see above ) without full disclosure of their position within said company. Me, I'm bricking it now, honest....
Richard
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LMAO!
Obviously making no comment about a specific company here, but as a general statment...
Should a person, say, a Service Mananger, for a company visit a forum, not disclose that they work for said company, while making comments about them, you would think "hey, that's immoral". You could well be right.
Should that person LIE about the company, say for example, making a false claim that they are a customer of said company and give glowing FALSE praise, you'd probably be inclined to wonder about just what kind of a business it is. You'd be right to think that. That hypothetical situation would be incredibly shady, outright immoral, and quite possibly an illegal business practise.
A little flag should also be waving in your head saying "hey why does this hypothetical person need to pretend to be a satisfied customer? surely if they are an honest and trustworthy company they will have actual satisfied customers, and have no need to lie and decieve."
Shold said manager at the company in one thread be calling for people to send them broken phone parts for use as spare parts, yet in another vigourously (while lying and pretending to be a customer!!!) deny that they use parts from broken phones... you'd just be thinking "WTF! Why aren't these people being invesigated by the local coppers?" That'd be a fair question.
In this hypothetical situation, I would advise people to seek the advice of the local trading standards or police, to determin the legality and correctness of this deciet.
Of couse, as I've stated, this is all hypothetical and unrelated to this thread. No idea why I've posted it here, sorry. We have NO such immoral persons falsely claiming to be satisfied customers.
I apologige profusely for this post that is unrelated to the thread and the posted comments within.
b19dmj, does your part looks like attached? Part size is about 3*3 mm.
Hi, yes it looks like that but has 3R3 stamped on it.
I would just like to thank everybody on the forum who posted info to help me.
I am happy to report my Mini s is now back in my clumsy paws and is as good as new! - Special thanks to Dave - the Phone man at Bulmers in York (a real hero !) and to Fluffcat1 who pointed me in the right direction and helped out with any parts needed. I recommend both these gents.
b19dmj said:
Hi, yes it looks like that but has 3R3 stamped on it.
I would just like to thank everybody on the forum who posted info to help me.
I am happy to report my Mini s is now back in my clumsy paws and is as good as new! - Special thanks to Dave - the Phone man at Bulmers in York (a real hero !) and to Fluffcat1 who pointed me in the right direction and helped out with any parts needed. I recommend both these gents.
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S'cool, glad it's sorted and you didn't 'need a new board'...
Richard
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b19dmj said:
I tried Apex Laptops with no success. I emailed them with the details and received an email back saying someone would be in touch soon. Several days later I received another email asking for a little more detail. I sent the reply and have heard nothing since. I even emailed them with prompt for my estimate! Just nothing from them.
On the other hand, fluffcat1 and Dave in York have been more than helpful. I
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Hi friend, can you recommend me how to contact the repair center that had been helpful to repair my xda mini s?
Please advise their contact information
Best REgards
Hendrick
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Hi all.
Been in discussion with the others and apphoen will transfer the funds to me this week. We will (if all goes to plan) be buying either 1 Ameo (near new for £425.00) with 12 months guarantee from a shop (known very well to myself - have done a lot of business with them). I say near new because the Unit is not in an unopened box from T-Mobile, but as far as I know it is in great condition (I will inspect and test it myself thoroughly ).
As the Euro fund stands at around 790 or thereabouts, this only equates to around £531. Not a great start for the next device, but at least the development on a CID/Sim unlocker can begin.
Unfortunately as you are all well aware, in order to get the 2nd device for our ROM cooker Midget, we will have to raise more money as we may have to pay full price (worst case scenario), but I will try within the same shop (franchise) to see if they have other units at their other branches across the country. They had an X7500 a month ago, but I didn't pay much attention as we hadn't started the project.
I prefer to deal with an establishment with a 12 months guarantee and a place I can physically take any potential device back to, if the need should arise. E-bay is great, but personally I like to buy expensive equipment from places where I can return it in person should I need to.
Any objections?
If not, we may have our first Unit this week. As I said...Blow the original supplier with his cheap prices...he was a time-waster and our contributors wasted no time in donating to this cause, therefore it is only right that we don't allow anyone else to hold up progress.
So thanks to all contributors thus far, apphoen, boinger66, ltxda, Midget, Olipro and others who I have neglected to mention. Thanks for your dedication and and hard work. We'll get it done.
Meanwhile you can contribute to the new paypal account which I setup a week ago or so..it's verified and good to go. Why another one, you ask?
Because I'm based in the UK and so are the developers. So I can quickly purchase a device and send off to the devs as soon as I get a Unit (same day special delivery). No other reason. Another contributor can take this responsibility on if there are any objections. But if there are none....you can count on me to do my best for the benefit of us all.
Between apphoen, boinger66 and myself, we are finalizing the mailing system...been a long time coming, I know. But once established it will serve us well in keeping all contributors updated about progress and also any problems developers might face.
Anyway...that's enough waffle from me.
I'll be in touch.
Please don't PM me unless it somehow contributes to the project...just until both devs have their units. It takes me a long time to answer all these PM's and not all are relevant to what we are trying to achieve. I need to stay focused as I have to work for a living too. Hope no one takes offense to this...it's not intended to.
[Edit By Midget_1990]
Current Donations Towards the 2nd Athena
apphoen - £20
Unknown - £20
mackaby007 - £20
hdbueller - £10
wgary - £10
jpvdp - £20
stupiddog - £20
Unknown - £20
Rougenator - £50
Boinger66 - £20
Anonymous - £20
cayotte - £15
Unknown - £10
mikechannon - £50
Payout to Mark as he needed more for the 1st Athena
-£47.55
Recieved back from Mark (ended up getting a better deal)
£135.00
Loaned from mikechannon
£50
Paypal Fees
-£20.74
Totals:
Total: £421.71 (I will pay the rest)Required: £50 to payback mikechannon
Please PM me (Midget_1990) when you Donate!
Develop or shens.
SupraSkylineSTI said:
Develop or shens.
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What does that mean?
mackaby007 said:
Hi all.
Been in discussion with the others and apphoen will transfer the funds to me this week. We will (if all goes to plan) be buying either 1 Ameo (near new for £425.00) with 12 months guarantee from a shop (known very well to myself - have done a lot of business with them). I say near new because the Unit is not in an unopened box from T-Mobile, but as far as I know it is in great condition (I will inspect and test it myself thoroughly ).
As the Euro fund stands at around 790 or thereabouts, this only equates to around £531. Not a great start for the next device, but at least the development on a CID/Sim unlocker can begin.
Unfortunately as you are all well aware, in order to get the 2nd device for our ROM cooker Midget, we will have to raise more money as we may have to pay full price (worst case scenario), but I will try within the same shop (franchise) to see if they have other units at their other branches across the country. They had an X7500 a month ago, but I didn't pay much attention as we hadn't started the project.
I prefer to deal with an establishment with a 12 months guarantee and a place I can physically take any potential device back to, if the need should arise. E-bay is great, but personally I like to buy expensive equipment from places where I can return it in person should I need to.
Any objections?
If not, we may have our first Unit this week. As I said...Blow the original supplier with his cheap prices...he was a time-waster and our contributors wasted no time in donating to this cause, therefore it is only right that we don't allow anyone else to hold up progress.
So thanks to all contributors thus far, apphoen, boinger66, ltxda, Midget, Olipro and others who I have neglected to mention. Thanks for your dedication and and hard work. We'll get it done.
Meanwhile you can contribute to the new paypal account which I setup a week ago or so..it's verified and good to go. Why another one, you ask?
Because I'm based in the UK and so are the developers. So I can quickly purchase a device and send off to the devs as soon as I get a Unit (same day special delivery). No other reason. Another contributor can take this responsibility on if there are any objections. But if there are none....you can count on me to do my best for the benefit of us all.
Between apphoen, boinger66 and myself, we are finalizing the mailing system...been a long time coming, I know. But once established it will serve us well in keeping all contributors updated about progress and also any problems developers might face.
Anyway...that's enough waffle from me.
I'll be in touch.
Please don't PM me unless it somehow contributes to the project...just until both devs have their units. It takes me a long time to answer all these PM's and not all are relevant to what we are trying to achieve. I need to stay focused as I have to work for a living too. Hope no one takes offense to this...it's not intended to.
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Thank goodness!
huh?
SupraSkylineSTI said:
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Huh???
mackaby007 said:
Hi all.
Been in discussion with the others and apphoen will transfer the funds to me this week. We will (if all goes to plan) be buying either 1 Ameo (near new for £425.00) with 12 months guarantee from a shop (known very well to myself - have done a lot of business with them). I say near new because the Unit is not in an unopened box from T-Mobile, but as far as I know it is in great condition (I will inspect and test it myself thoroughly ).
As the Euro fund stands at around 790 or thereabouts, this only equates to around £531. Not a great start for the next device, but at least the development on a CID/Sim unlocker can begin.
Unfortunately as you are all well aware, in order to get the 2nd device for our ROM cooker Midget, we will have to raise more money as we may have to pay full price (worst case scenario), but I will try within the same shop (franchise) to see if they have other units at their other branches across the country. They had an X7500 a month ago, but I didn't pay much attention as we hadn't started the project.
I prefer to deal with an establishment with a 12 months guarantee and a place I can physically take any potential device back to, if the need should arise. E-bay is great, but personally I like to buy expensive equipment from places where I can return it in person should I need to.
Any objections?
If not, we may have our first Unit this week. As I said...Blow the original supplier with his cheap prices...he was a time-waster and our contributors wasted no time in donating to this cause, therefore it is only right that we don't allow anyone else to hold up progress.
So thanks to all contributors thus far, apphoen, boinger66, ltxda, Midget, Olipro and others who I have neglected to mention. Thanks for your dedication and and hard work. We'll get it done.
Meanwhile you can contribute to the new paypal account which I setup a week ago or so..it's verified and good to go. Why another one, you ask?
Because I'm based in the UK and so are the developers. So I can quickly purchase a device and send off to the devs as soon as I get a Unit (same day special delivery). No other reason. Another contributor can take this responsibility on if there are any objections. But if there are none....you can count on me to do my best for the benefit of us all.
Between apphoen, boinger66 and myself, we are finalizing the mailing system...been a long time coming, I know. But once established it will serve us well in keeping all contributors updated about progress and also any problems developers might face.
Anyway...that's enough waffle from me.
I'll be in touch.
Please don't PM me unless it somehow contributes to the project...just until both devs have their units. It takes me a long time to answer all these PM's and not all are relevant to what we are trying to achieve. I need to stay focused as I have to work for a living too. Hope no one takes offense to this...it's not intended to.
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Cool.....let's Rock and Roll!!!
A bit slower than hoped for, but no more than 5 days
OK thanks for your support guys. Funds should now hit my account within 5 working days or sooner and I'll get straight to it...no delaying.
Got another member willing to sell his brand new Insurance replacement Ameo...just trying to come to an agreement on best price.
Either way..as soon as I'm in receipt of the funds, 1 Ameo will be sent off within an hour of buying it. (Will test it first though ).
Still need more donations people, nothing has come through as yet.
If you guys feel more comfortable in donating direct to Midgets paypal account (in his signature), let us know here, that is no problem for me This means he can get one directly as he's next in line for a device after our CID/Sim unlocker 'OliPro'. It's all been discussed and agreed with the devs, as we need these solutions before any cooking can take place.
Let me know peeps...I'm not that hot with paypal stuff anyhow.
It's coming along but we need donations please, to make it come together.
Hi all.
Been in discussions with some of the others including our developer Midget_1990. We agree that it is best for future donations to go straight to Midget's paypal account, but he will set up a dedicated account just for this purpose...to get one Ameo/Advantage or Dopod.
Sorry about mucking you all about, but as there haven't been any donations since the last announcements, it will be easier to donate directly to him. If he can't get a Unit cheap enough, he will transfer the funds back to me to buy him an Athena through the contacts built up through this community or my personal channels. Either way things are moving forward for sure.
Not much else to say right now except that I'm liaising with a few peeps out there for devices and we'll let you know when we've actually got one.
No we haven't forgotten the list at all, it's just that everyone's so busy with work that it hasn't all come together as yet...but it will, especially where it counts most of all...development progress.
P.S. Please be assured, absolutely no-one is benefiting personally from this in any way except when we all share in the end result of this venture.
Hi, just set up the email + paypal account, click the button below
As usual I will provide a list of all donators + amounts so we can keep track, an athena will cost around £420 so lets aim for that!
Midget_1990 said:
Hi, just set up the email + paypal account, click the button below
As usual I will provide a list of all donators + amounts so we can keep track, an athena will cost around £420 so lets aim for that!
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Nice one Midget_1990. You'll also get the remainder of the funds after the purchase of the 1st Ameo next week. I'll send it via paypal to you account & donate some myself to get this kickstarted again.
C'mon guys were almost there! Development has already started with our devs guys and some of our xda members with regards to SIM unlocking...were just not publicising anything yet until it's a safe and useable solution for all.
We need your money.
P.S. Midget_1990 can you please add the new Doantion code to your signature please? ....just until we have the required funds for the 2nd Athena. Just in case new potential contributors do not see this thread/post? Cheers matey.
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Nice one Midget_1990. You'll also get the remainder of the funds after the purchase of the 1st Ameo next week. I'll send it via paypal to you account & donate some myself to get this kickstarted again.
C'mon guys were almost there! Development has already started with our devs guys and some of our xda members with regards to SIM unlocking...were just not publicising anything yet until it's a safe and useable solution for all.
We need your money.
P.S. Midget_1990 can you please add the new Doantion code to your signature please? ....just until we have the required funds for the 2nd Athena. Just in case new potential contributors do not see this thread/post? Cheers matey.
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Hi Guys, won't be around much now - £20 donated to help us get moving again.
Thanks
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apphoen said:
Hi Guys, won't be around much now - £20 donated to help us get moving again.
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You're a gentleman apphoen. Cheers.
C'mon friends we need your support...again
Just donated £20 to help get this kickstarted again.
Thanks for being swift about setting things up Midget. I like the fact that one can also pay by Debit or Credit card.
Yeah, as i said ages ago if you set it up as a non-profit organisation then you can accept direct card payments, no need for an account
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Huh???
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Shens is forum speak for shenanigans or bulls4!t.
Hope that helps
Funds are here...
OK all. Funds are cleared in my account £522.98
We're giving the waste of time supplier one more opportunity to come up with the goods and report something positive today, by 2.00 P.M. GMT, else the purchase of another Ameo will be going ahead...no more time-wasting!
Thanks for your patience all and please keep contributing. So far we will have a minimum of £180.00 towards the 2nd Athena if original supplier (with cheapest prices) falls through again. This is based on the remainder of funds with me after a purchase of £400.00 and including contributions Midget has already received.
So either way, we are on target. We'll keep you informed. There will be an update later today.
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Hi all. There's an update over at the Athena Project (link in my signature). Xda is running very slow for me today...don't know if anyone else is having the same problem?
Anyway it's all good so far. Won't repeat the update here again...too much to do...too little time.
nobody is interested in this?
28.43 can hardly get an athena
Midget_1990 said:
nobody is interested in this?
28.43 can hardly get an athena
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I do not understand the current fiscal situation. Mackaby007 wrote "So far we will have a minimum of £180.00 towards the 2nd Athena", so I am a bit puzzled here...
Rule 8: donations up front are not allowed
to quote the mod "asking for donations up-front"
The phrase "if you donate you can have this rom" was never said Someone asked the dev what the public release date would be and he stated 3-4 days. I guess they always have to keep a secret when the releases are.
Seems pretty straight forward. However I fail to see how "established developer with lengthy public release list and contibutions to the scene, rewards the people who, with no pre-knowledege that something might come of it or with any purpose except to say thanks for the work you have already done it is great, helped him with donations so he layed out a beta release for them a few days early."
Maybe we need to change the official XDA rules or make an amendment or something that says. "If at any point ever you release something that does not leave every person with an equal opportunity to download it, barring complications due to persons being on differing Internet Providers, any threads pertaining to this download or the children of this download will be closed and will be looked into to determine if banning is necessary.
That way if any developer feels especially close to his biggest fans and wants to throw them a bonus to really show his appreciation he wont even think of doing any kind or pre release.
Edit: Can someone please post what rule the dev broke? Someone has already posted that he is well with the GPL and I am saying he is well within rule 8
EDIT2: I WOULD LOVE A MOD TO COME HERE AND TRY TO CLARIFY/JUSTIFY THEIR ACTIONS
damn that thread was closed ima wait to install it till its reopened
do not bar this awesome rom
lately i see that the xda team are coming down hard on epic developers. i wonder if there is something else going on...oops, i hope that no one banes me
BRING EPIC EXPERIENCE BACK
ericizzy1 said:
lately i see that the xda team are coming down hard on epic developers. i wonder if there is something else going on...oops, i hope that no one banes me
BRING EPIC EXPERIENCE BACK
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I don't think it is the only one. I thought I remember reading that if Hero's backedsnack had a public releases the thread would be opened here however there is definitely a great 1.3 public release, Rom and Kernel with many things other roms don't have and the thread here is definitely not open.
Wow. I almost mentioned this to him yesterday but figured it must've been within the rules. I know there are lots of different apps/roms on here that go out early to donators, so what's the difference? I assume it's based on him stating publicly that it will go out early to donators?
Glad I got my donation in and download link in my mailbox! Epic Experience is really the only ROM worth running on the Epic right now.
Funny how when I was in the Hero forum this was common practice, and even exposed to the staff here and nothing was done.
If you did not donate, you did not get the ROM until the public release was announced. I don't see why this is a big problem? People develop and take time from their busy lives to make roms, why not ask for donations, and give the people who donate special perks?
Because it's not a donation if you have to pay for it to get it.
Let's say you go to one of those car washes...you know, with the 16 year old girls in skimpy bathing suits with the sign, Donations Only. Now, you pull up there and expect a car wash, but they tell you that you have to pay before they'll even start anything. Not knowing how good a job they'll do, you have no idea how much you'd want to pay them so, because you don't want to pay until it's done, they send you to the back of the line until they make enough money to open it to everyone.
Say one guy pays $15 to that donation and, although the view of their supple, tight breasts smashed against his windshield is highly stimulating, they do little to the car but smear mud all over and leave streaks on the window. They're done now. Great show, but that's not why he came to the car wash. He regrets giving that money now because he drives away with blue balls and a dirty car. Not worth the "donation".
Donations are something given for products/services received up front, otherwise, it's called a charge.
Now take that car wash, ask for a $5 donation up front to have your cash washed now, or wait a week and have to deal with the lines (low bandwith) of being able to have your car washed for free.
Same concept. Its not a charge, its a donation. Because you don't HAVE to donate to be able to download it. The public will be able to download it, just a few days down the road.
I am not to familiar with whats going on as I don't use that rom..but from my understanding he does make the rom publicly available...the only advantage donators get are support and early access to the beta.
I do not see an issue with that in itself...as you can try the rom and everyone has access to it..but with "betas" its up to the author how to handle distribution of it...
THE GPL states
"When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price. Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for this service if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it in new free programs; and that you know you can do these things."
Aka he has the right to charge for distribution according to the GPL..but once obtained a person is free to share the beta to everyone else if they choose.
I personally do not see a problem in that respect..of course if its a violation os a different rule thats another story.
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Now take that car wash, ask for a $5 donation up front to have your cash washed now, or wait a week and have to deal with the lines (low bandwith) of being able to have your car washed for free.
Same concept. Its not a charge, its a donation. Because you don't HAVE to donate to be able to download it. The public will be able to download it, just a few days down the road.
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Again. It's not a donation, you're saying "This car wash costs $5."
We have a vending machine at work. It costs 60 cents for a candy bar. But if we wait a month or so, they'll be placed on the kitchen table for free. Is that 60 cents a donation or a cost?
Just because it will be free later does not mean it's not a cost now.
This is okay with me: "Hey, I'm charging whatever you want to pay to get my ROM before anyone else! After I release it to the general public, they can feel free to donate what they feel it's worth."
That is apparently not okay with XDA which is the whole point of the thread. I didn't want to get too far off topic with semantics and my personal feelings.
Grow up xda
Want my advice, of course not but I will post it anyway cause I am waiting for a 30 minute rip file and dont need to read on the can.
Slap him on the wrist, remind him of the rule and move the hell on. This is a DEV doing good things. I dont agree with your rule, all he did was post a day or two early for his supporters, its not like a public release was not coming at all. But I do agree that if you have a rule you then need to enforce it or think about changing the stupid thing.
Seems to me like XDA is becoming a little too militant. Thats all right, these forum sites come and go with change.
Last thing.
I hate criticizing or supporting rules without exposing loopholes (Lawful Neutral with evil tendencies). Here's what I would do as the dev.
1. Follow the friggin' rules.
2. Make a post such as "Having troubles with the newest Beta for XXX ROM"
3. Ardent followers will recognize that ROM and ask why they don't have it
4. The OP (secondary account for the dev or a friend) will explain it's a paid beta (or "required donation" beta if you prefer) of XXXX user's ROM and can contact him here: [email protected] or however you guys do it.
5. "BUT I DON'T WANNA PAY!!!" Well, I think the dev mentioned it will be open to all on XX/XX/XXXX and he'll make a post when it's freely available as per the rules.
Ta-da. Totally within the rules to ask for assistance on ROMs even when others may or may not have them.
And don't lie. Ever. There is never a reason to lie. Dev, put a small, easily noticed and easily fixed bug in your ROM so it's a legitimate post.
People willing to buy an early beta are happy. XDA is happy. Moderators are happy.
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Again. It's not a donation, you're saying "This car wash costs $5."
We have a vending machine at work. It costs 60 cents for a candy bar. But if we wait a month or so, they'll be placed on the kitchen table for free. Is that 60 cents a donation or a cost?
Just because it will be free later does not mean it's not a cost now.
This is okay with me: "Hey, I'm charging whatever you want to pay to get my ROM before anyone else! After I release it to the general public, they can feel free to donate what they feel it's worth."
That is apparently not okay with XDA which is the whole point of the thread. I didn't want to get too far off topic with semantics and my personal feelings.
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Hi will i normally agree with you and take a pretty strict stance on the line between donation and cost. In this rom situation I do not agree. First off yes you are paying for that candy bar. However most car washes like that call it a donation because the driver picks the amount. So the only important thing we can take from that example is that for it to be a donation the donator has to have full control over the amount he wants to give.
Also the car wash is a pretty poor analogy with way to many holes to be meaningful. That car wash doesn't have a previous track record of being free but just for this one superwash you get it a little early. In addition, the car wash doesn't have a set release schedule for a stated timetable. Also another reason for the carwash it is called a donation is becuase you are directly giving money to some "charity" whether it be a real charity or a made up one like giving money so we can go to volleyball state championship. Either way you are donating money to that "charity" then they are washing your car sexily. Lastly the solicit the car wash "cost" of a donation up front.
The most important thing though is to look at the situation. Go back anytime last month and look at the state of things. The first thing the dev did was release a rom to the forums, it started gaining in popularity. Then he released some updates, bugfixes and general tweaks. The rom kept getting better and better and faithful users decided that they wanted to inspire the dev to keep up his good work so numurous people, me included, donated. Now I have only been moved to donated 3 times before, to the xda site, and since I was on a touchpro2 to NRG and MightyMike. In every instance I have donated because the people have provided with a very good product that has greatly improved my experience on my phone. Back to the story, We all donated, the dev never asked for it as payment to the rom, the roms were always available, heck there is nearly a 2 month back catalog, and I am sure there are people out there that will swear that each and every release has the best battery, or the best that, etc. So now the dev has a huge update, He has never publicly stated that he is releasing the rom as an early release and an awesome email ends up in my inbox, which can be considered nothing more than a thank you for your support. He has never stated that he is going to continue releasing roms early to donators or if it is a one time deal. Unless the dev makes a statement about it the only logical conclusion that can be drawn is that he will continue to release his rom normally but if he has a huge .1 update then maybe those "benchmark" roms will be release a little early. Since that is the current case.
If someone was to put up a phantom thread with no downloads and start asking for donations for proposed things, get rid of them. That is clearly not the case here.
I don't agree with xda in this.. schizo is a great dev with a great rom and it is fully available to the public for free. Schizo never even brought up the new release in his thread until the donators thanked him for it. Bad move xda for coming down on a dev that's just taking care of his loyal supporters.
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I have no prob with early releases, but him posting in his thread about the features of an unreleased public rom is considered a teaser and that is why the mods shut him down.
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othan1 said:
Last thing.
I hate criticizing or supporting rules without exposing loopholes (Lawful Neutral with evil tendencies). Here's what I would do as the dev.
1. Follow the friggin' rules.
2. Make a post such as "Having troubles with the newest Beta for XXX ROM"
3. Ardent followers will recognize that ROM and ask why they don't have it
4. The OP (secondary account for the dev or a friend) will explain it's a paid beta (or "required donation" beta if you prefer) of XXXX user's ROM and can contact him here: [email protected] or however you guys do it.
5. "BUT I DON'T WANNA PAY!!!" Well, I think the dev mentioned it will be open to all on XX/XX/XXXX and he'll make a post when it's freely available as per the rules.
Ta-da. Totally within the rules to ask for assistance on ROMs even when others may or may not have them.
And don't lie. Ever. There is never a reason to lie. Dev, put a small, easily noticed and easily fixed bug in your ROM so it's a legitimate post.
People willing to buy an early beta are happy. XDA is happy. Moderators are happy.
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Thats exactly what happened in the thread, and exactly the point I was trying to get across.
He never said 'donate and you'll get the early releases!!'
The mods on here are independent people and pretty much do whatever the hell they want, so the mod in the Epic forum might be more tight-holed than the one in say, the Hero forum. Where donate-to-get early is the norm.
Well I truly hope the rules at xda are changed or reworded becuase if things are continually enforced that are not in the rules that sounds like a military state.
Man! Speaking of rules I hope ur like 16-17 yourself. Otherwise those are some pedophile type hypotheticals.... lol!
othan1 said:
Because it's not a donation if you have to pay for it to get it.
Let's say you go to one of those car washes...you know, with the 16 year old girls in skimpy bathing suits with the sign, Donations Only. Now, you pull up there and expect a car wash, but they tell you that you have to pay before they'll even start anything. Not knowing how good a job they'll do, you have no idea how much you'd want to pay them so, because you don't want to pay until it's done, they send you to the back of the line until they make enough money to open it to everyone.
Say one guy pays $15 to that donation and, although the view of their supple, tight breasts smashed against his windshield is highly stimulating, they do little to the car but smear mud all over and leave streaks on the window. They're done now. Great show, but that's not why he came to the car wash. He regrets giving that money now because he drives away with blue balls and a dirty car. Not worth the "donation".
Donations are something given for products/services received up front, otherwise, it's called a charge.
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Rather then changing the rules..I think they should set a presidents on what way it would be considered ok to do this.
One comment on something that was said in the thread that got closed. A few posters there complained about charging for something that's GPL'ed. Actually, it's totally, unambiguously, and 100% legal to charge for things that are GPL'ed. It's also totally, unambiguously, and 100% legal for anyone who acquires a copy of it to turn around and redistribute it -- for free, or for money.
The GPL2 requires that Schiz license his changes under the same terms. So, anybody who donates and downloads the beta release acquires a license to use it under the GPL2. Likewise, the GPL2 requires that Schiz make the source available to those specific users. The GPL2 does NOT require that Schiz bend over backwards to immediately make his changes instantly available for free to the general public. Or ever make them available for free to the general public at all. Officially, you don't become a licensee of Schiz' changes until you either a) donate, and download it from him, or b) he posts it publicly and you download it from wherever he puts it. HOWEVER, the GPL2 also entitles anyone who acquires a copy of Schiz's changes to redistribute them independently of Schiz.
That's the check and balance. If 10 users feel poor/stingy and want to split the cost of a donation so one can grab it and give copies to everyone else, it's 100% legit and legal under the GPL. It would be equally legal for Schiz to get mad and refuse to answer questions from anyone he caught doing that, because the GPL only conveys the right to obtain the source and redistribute it. The GPL conveys no right to tech support. The fact that something is legal doesn't necessarily mean others have to regard it as good and morally acceptable. You have every right to regard someone as an immoral asshole for doing something that's nevertheless completely legal. Big corporations do things that are technically legal every day, and get excoriated for it by Slashdot users on a regular basis
Suppose I use GPL'ed source to develop an internal app used by a major corporation. There's NO requirement that the source to that internal app ever be made available to anyone outside the company, since only the company is the licensee of the modified code. The only time the source has to be made available to anyone outside the company is if the app ends up getting used in an app used by the company's own customers. That's where lots of big companies get into trouble... they'll use GPL'ed code for years for internal vertical-market apps, then slip it into a publicly-released client app without realizing the licensing implications of doing so until it's too late.
Giving another example, it would be absolutely 100% legal for Tivo to charge customers $100 to upgrade to a newer version of their software. However, under GPL2, it would be 100% legal for anyone who paid $100 for it to redistribute it to others -- Tivo-owning or not. Where the GPL2 and GPL3 differ is that under the GPL2, it's entirely legal for Tivo to respond by making their hardware refuse to allow the upgrade unless you also present it with a valid license code. However, even in the case of the GPL3, the intent of the GPL isn't necessarily to enable anyone to take Tivo's software and build his own Tivo from scratch -- it's to guarantee Tivo owners the freedom to hack and modify their own Tivo to better meet their own individual needs and improve it beyond what Tivo itself is willing/able to do.
The point is that the GPL doesn't quite mean what many people believe it does, and in some contexts the distinction between GPL2 and GPL3 are very important. Android is actually Apache-licensed, but because it's inextricably bundled with Linux, it's effectively governed by the GPL2 as well (for the most part).
I just emailed acer and asked them to revise their bootloader policy.
If all of us would Do so we might get them to reconsider their policy.
It worked for the htc community so why not for us?
I hope you all will support this action so the impact will be bigger.
We also might want to bring this idea to other a500 support forums.
Kind regards.
also reply to this thread on their facebook wall. http://www.facebook.com/Acer/posts/10150179327172544
ibila said:
I just emailed acer and asked them to revise their bootloader policy.
If all of us would Do so we might get them to reconsider their policy.
It worked for the htc community so why not for us?
I hope you all will support this action so the impact will be bigger.
We also might want to bring this idea to other a500 support forums.
Kind regards.
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Yah and dont forget to mention that ASUS is kickin their a$$ on posted files and bootloader policy which is why their outsellin them even though the HW's not as good IMO.
I've lost the rag, and sent them this.
I've been up front with them but the device is mine to do with a i please...
Dear Acer Support,
I would like someone to contact me regarding the Iconia A500 tablet which i have purchased around 2 weeks ago.
I am having issues with the update which has been sent out and it will not install due to file checksums mismatches. I have been using android since the first ever handset was release and i find your methods of updating the tablet or the OS bewildering inline with every other update method for other devces up until this one. Over the last 3 years, i have NEVER had any problems updating an Android device, until now.
I would like to know how to restore my handset completely as the 'reset' option on the side of the device simply wipes the data, the integrity of the OS remains unchanged.
I need a way to factory restore my unit in order for me to receive the update, which i am assuming includes fixes for the hastily pushed out Honeycomb os and critical security patches for android holes.
If i do not receive prompt a swift technical support of an advanced level i will be returning the product as i currently view this a waste of 500 Euros. I will not hesitate to purchse the Motorola Xoom, which appears to be on Android 3.1 already...
I can be contacted on (removed) or on (Removed)@gmail.com.
I would appreciate a call TODAY, or it will be handed back today at 5.30pm.
Kind Regards,
i just did a quick reply on that Facebook link. Thnx gunnyman!
Anyone got acer contact details that we all should be emailing?
I am spamming their facebook!
I used this link:
http://acer.custhelp.com
Eddited the link as it send the questions in my name...lol.
Well...got the reaction i expected and not the one i hoped for.
Re-thinking whether to keep it or sell it in favor of the asus transformer...
Discussion Thread ---------------------------------------------------------------Response (Sherina PB) - 05/27/2011 07:27 AM Dear karim kalschoven,
Thank you for contacting Acer. My name is Sherina and Badge NumberGWSI1020. I'll be happyto assist you.
I understand you wanted help unlockingbootloader on your Acer ICONIAA500.
Currently we do not have provision to have this unlocked and we are unsure on any probable policychange on this, you may check back later to see for any updates.
For further clarifications please feel free to visit our website: http://support.acer.com/Have a great day!
Respectfully, Acer Online Technical Support
And this is my reply:
Hello, this anwser by your company inspired just me to sell the acer a500 and get me a asus transformer. I will post in the community forums and spread what Acer's standpoint is and will advise all doubters not to get the A500 if they love a community supporting brand! Great job Acer..this was the last products Ill ever buy from you!
What's the email address that we should be mailing? I found nothing on the acer contact page.
email sent...
Uninstalling a couple of apps removing the facility to update is enough for me. Always defended Acer when people have been quick to moan about build quality with their laptops but if they don't sort this out, I'll think again.
I just sent an e-mail too...
We should write a petition as they did on Motorola and HTC...
Lets all petition this. Sick of not able to install custom roms.
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Done!!!! Hope this helpes.
can anyone post this on Acer FB or st with a message: HTC FTW. ACER FTL
http://androidandme.com/2011/05/new...longer-lock-the-bootloaders-on-their-devices/
Also posted on that Facebook post (and mentioned how HTC has reversed their bootload lock policy based on customer feedback)
I posted too. And then had a chat with customer support, which was as unhelpful as it could get. They promised to get back to me, however I have my doubts.
Reproducing below:
-- NOTE: skipping polite introduction
Govindan Sharanji: I will certainly provide you the information in this regards ####.
AD: thank you
Govindan Sharanji: Could you please stay online for two minutes while I retrieve the information for you?
-- NOTE: at this point I had hopes
AD: Sure, no problem
Govindan Sharanji: Thank you for being on hold. I really appreciate your patience.
AD: No worries
Govindan Sharanji: I need to refer you to phone support to resolve your issue.
AD: Ok
Govindan Sharanji: Our Voice Support are available on Monday - Friday 5am- 12 Midnight.You can reach our Voice Department at this numbers : 1-800-571-2237.
AD: I understand.. However I'm not located somewhere where I have access to 1-800 numbers
AD: Can I get an email with the info?
Govindan Sharanji: Shall I email the chat session to your email ID at ########, so that you can go through the information at your convenient time?
AD: The source code for the android kernel should be made available on request, according tothe GPL
AD: No, thanks, that's not necessary. I would like to get access to the kernel source code, and I was hoping you guys could send me an email later with a link
AD: or something similar
Govindan Sharanji: Sure.
-- NOTE: Maybe there's hope?
AD: Thank you
Govindan Sharanji: ####, to conclude we have suggested to email the required information and this should help you fix the issue. If there are no additional questions on this topic, I will close the chat session.
Govindan Sharanji: Thank you for using Acer Live Chat. Please feel free to chat again anytime.
Govindan Sharanji: Have a great day and take care.
AD: One more question - are there any plans for Acer to provide a recovery image for the Iconia Tab A500?
AD: Something that would restore it to factory defaults and reflash the software
AD: And also are there any plans to unlock the bootloaders, as HTC is doing?
AD: The developer community pretty much perceives you as developer-unfriendly, and it would be great to change that
Govindan Sharanji: As of now the recovery image are not provided you can get back to us for future updates.
AD: Well.. Ok.. that's unfortunate
AD: Oh well, thank you for your help
AD: Have a nice day
Let's rock it. This is a game. All for one, One for all.
PS: Spamming their chat services now. This feeling is good.
Facebook----m, you youngsters.......................
bad publicity will bring upon very swift change
Just a word of advice, let's be polite, but firmly request our rights (re: the kernel) and show them we're unhappy about their attitude. I seriously doubt the guys in support are to blame for, so let's treat them nicely and hopefully they will escalate.
Hey all, some or most of you are aware that Otterbox doesn't make any cases for the N4. Although, Otterbox replied on twitter that if they get enough user demand, they will start a production line for them.
Twitter Message: OtterBox
@playerpianocds We are listening but we haven't convinced the R&D Team yet. Keep up the requests and show the "Power is in the People."
If you would like to see a case made for the Nexus 4, please sign the petition at the link below. We have already passed the half way mark!
http://www.change.org/petitions/otte...ogle-nexus-4-2
All support is appreciated :highfive::highfive::good::good::laugh:
***** wrong thread* If mod could transfer thread to accessories that would be great
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