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bogous microsoft letter info

According to tweakers.net (dutch), a very popular and more important, trustworthy Dutch IT website.
XDA-Developers (And thus also Duttythroy.net) breaches intellectual property laws regarding ROM Cooking.
However Microsoft and HTC both agree "We can't live with 'em and we can't live without 'em."
Microsoft will not send take down orders to sites such as XDA-Developers, who offer customized ROMs for windows-mobile telephone.
Some sites offering ROMs based on Windows Mobile 6.5 got take down orders last week. They, However, appeared to be hoax.
“Taking action against sites such as XDA-Developers isn’t a matter of concern for Microsoft” says Maarten Sonneveld of Microsoft Netherlands against tweakers.net. “What happens there, the modifying of ROMs, is illegal. The intellectual property however is not with us. The ROMs are intellectual property of the producers of the phone or the mobile phone providers if it concerns branded telephones. We simple only deliver the OS.”
The biggest producer of Windows Mobile-phones, HTC, also says they don’t have any plans to take action against ROM sites. “What happens there isn’t allowed” says HTC Benelux-CEO Mark Moons,
“But XDA-Developers is the biggest and most active community of Windows Mobile-developers. We can’t live with ‘em and we can’t live without ‘em.”
Last week it seemed there were to come an end to tolerating Windows Mobile-communities.
A certain ‘James Young’ sent emails on behalf of Microsoft to site managers in which he stated that they were sharing illegal content, and summoned them to stop their practices; some site managers, in fact, did this.
It mostly concerned ROMs with betas of Windows Mobile 6.5, the update of Microsoft’s Mobile OS that should appear this summer.
The email of Young appeared, however, to be a hoax.
Microsoft denied against XDA-Developers that the summoning came from them, they also say that the email address is incorrect and that summons such as these always are sent by written letters instead of email. Not so long ago someone with the exact same email address and name sent the same kind of emails to sites that, according to him, placed illegal content for the Xbox. The Pirate Bay also received a message by ‘James Young’ in the past.
Aside from this: a funny fact is that recently Arne, when he still was on our team, contacted Microsoft and HTC concerning this very issue as we were wondering the legal status of sharing ROMs.
He however didn't receive any clear answer even though he called a zillion times and emailed to infinity, twice.
source: translated with google

so, HTC and Microsoft have acknowledged that they can't really stop us as that would pretty much halt independent development for Windows Mobile... i'd say that's a good thing

disillusionment
really microsoft is big company,but in this behaviors it will be smallest in eyes of thier system users and developers.
So small comment to microsoft (go to hell) u did not stop the developing & progression in the world.

Commercial facts
As I understand the info shared by Nemonique...
The matter of bann this develops... is concerned by the brand... but... this makes people buy devices... cause at last... the business is sell devices.. no matter if it has the shipped version X.XXXXXXXXXXXXX or the Last upgrade Y:YYYYYYYYYYYYYYY, it does´t matter they buy the OS original and upload to their devices... the upgrading modding and sharing is responsability of the user... they lost his warranty by unlocking... the business is to sell devices.
I think this ends on summer... so... provide links here is risky... pirate bay has almost closed cause the GUB on swed has told them "if you search on that site we bann you from Internet providers..." so the user at the end is the responsable.

homam_france said:
really microsoft is big company,but in this behaviors it will be smallest in eyes of thier system users and developers.
So small comment to microsoft (go to hell) u did not stop the developing & progression in the world.
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Uhh, I really advise you to read the OP again..
Microsoft is NOT to blame, it was a moron IMPERSONATING MS.
Please refrain from bashing Microsoft, or we will be forced to invoke your right to use a WinMo device and will convict you to use an iPhone
BTW You are free to post ANY ROM (provided they don't contain warez).
They won't be removed (until a true complaint from MS or HTC arrives).
Regards,
EquinoXe

now, i understand more the letter, but did this process is useful for them?they couldn`t stop any one,but only the websites will be the victim.
or there is the enycripitation or the hidden will works,they try to build illegal world by thier legal stuff.
sorry, but it is really disapointed matter.

homam_france said:
now, i understand more the letter, but did this process is useful for them?they couldn`t stop any one,but only the websites will be the victim.
or there is the enycripitation or the hidden will works,they try to build illegal world by thier legal stuff.
sorry, but it is really disapointed matter.
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HTC themselves said it: We can't live with 'em, and we can't live without 'em !
In other words: They're not going to do anything since any Action against this site will seriously harm the Windows Mobile Community.
So, as the-equinoxe said, as long as your ROM does not contain warez, you can post it here, and download the ROMs of others as well without fearing a reprimand for it...

the-equinoxe said:
Uhh, I really advise you to read the OP again..
Microsoft is NOT to blame, it was a moron IMPERSONATING MS.
Please refrain from bashing Microsoft, or we will be forced to invoke your right to use a WinMo device and will convict you to use an iPhone
BTW You are free to post ANY ROM (provided they don't contain warez).
They won't be removed (until a true complaint from MS or HTC arrives).
Regards,
EquinoXe
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So, being this said, why not remove the fake email's posted on Sun_Dream's thread, and perhaps, if there is a way, restore all the info that was deleted, to show appreciation for his work. I think that would be the best way to apologize for the action taken(which at the time was justified based on the unknown/unconfirmed veracity of those emails, and as a precaution to protect XDA), and welcome back Sun_Dream.(not that he was banned, but we all know how uncomfortable he must have felt.

Well i want just to comment the legitimacy of rom modifying. It is illegal but noone cares. Microsoft cares about leaked betas but not too much as you see - they can afford few leaks here and there, but they can not afford to loose such large community of beta tersters and developers (a massive feedback for roms and devices) - and it is for free for them so thats why they do not care. Microsoft takes money for licensing their mobile OS to OEM manifacturers and Operators. One as these OEM manifacturers is HTC, their reason to not care is that forums like xda-developers makes them popular - free advertising - if they cut the rom upgrades and ban rom cooking they risk bad advertising and sales drop, why they should loose money instead of making them ?! Also some other phone manifacturers have turned to WM - SonyEricsson, Samsung (with OMNIA series, the other ones were crap) they feel whats happening and they want a piece of the pie . Why mobile operators do not care ? Well they buy some licenses for their branded devices and in most cases the mnifacturer makes the rom and the operator makes the customization. No one takes measures because in the long run it will harm their profits.
Someone may ask: Why it is illegal i have license for my device? - The license is for one and only one version of Windows mobile + upgrades of the same version. You may upgrade to new WM major version only if your OEM or Operator offer you a upgrade.
So we @ xda-developers make things which operators and OEMs will not do, this makes people happy and Microsoft is happy because of rapid growing popularity of windows mobile (more popularity = more profits), OEM's are happy about the popularity of their devices so everyone is happy
I am really sleepy so please excuse me if i have any typos or misstakes

So, I guess this infamous internet investigator was a hoax after all, huh? I guess it did sound a little far fetched that M$ would hire someone and would give him/her a dumbas$ title like that.
In any case, I completely agree with xplode's statement. M$ doesn't necessarily make much advertising on their WM platforms and equipment manufacturers don't spend that much money on advertising their stuff either. In fact, HTC is just beginning to have some sort of advertising (public kind like TV commercials and such) in the US. I gotta be honest, if it wasn't for this site, I would not know that HTC ever made anything beyond the Wallaby, which BTW I didn't know was manufactured by HTC until I nearly bricked it and found this site.
Just think about this for a second. Think about the number and size of forums and blogs dedicated to WM vs iPhone, Symbian, and BlackBerry. And now compare that to the money spent in advertising of the same devices. More than likely, Apple would top the charts in spending since everyone out there was literally brainwashed by the iPhone's outstanding marketing campaign. The Blackberry has always been out there somewhat competing with WM, but due to the lack of interest of freelance developers out there for these devices, they have had to dump big chunks of cash into advertising.
To put things more into perspective, think about how the announcements by HTC show up in this site right after being made by them. Normally, within a few hours the WM communities will get winds of new devices coming this way... which is, for lack of a better term, free advertising. They create a big expectation among seasoned users and new comers alike. Some of them, even willing to dump large sums of money on the new devices even though theirs are only a few months old. For this same reason, (and once again, I agree with xplode) shutting us (and other communities down) would be like cutting an arm. Plus, they don't pay us, so what's the harm?
Aside from all that, M$ understand that not everyone will have money to upgrade devices as they are released, but if the customer is kept happy, he/she is more likely to be a returning customer when his/her situation allows. So, let them keep their betas and their leaks.
All in all, kudos to M$ and HTC for understanding our role in this game. And as far as James "Jacka$$" Young, go kill yourself... you and people like you are the reason why the internet has a bad rep these days.
EGZ

markanthonypr said:
So, being this said, why not remove the fake email's posted on Sun_Dream's thread, and perhaps, if there is a way, restore all the info that was deleted, to show appreciation for his work. I think that would be the best way to apologize for the action taken(which at the time was justified based on the unknown/unconfirmed veracity of those emails, and as a precaution to protect XDA), and welcome back Sun_Dream.(not that he was banned, but we all know how uncomfortable he must have felt.
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Thanks for bringing this into attention.
As there where many threads "purged" by the site admins (who are the ones who deal with the copyright cases), I have no idea which posts in which threads all need to be restored.
I have seen some of sun_dreams work I and I was impressed (and that is a difficult thing to achieve).
They deserve to be restored. (So I just restored the one containing the letter myself)
Please use the
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button in the threads to report those threads who have wrongly been purged but not yet repaired, so the mods can repair those threads where possible.
Use a text like "Please restore this 6.5 ROM post which was a victim of the James Young hoax, but was not yet repaired" to let us mods and the admins know why you are reporting a thread.
In regards to these threads, please have some patience, it was a big task to purge them, unpurging is sometimes even more difficult.
Especially for a poor mod
Regarding this thread: I can safely say that your complaints have been heard and are acted upon.
Please report other threads/post regarding the 6.5 ROMs using the above mentioned method so all the mods and the admins are notified, not only the few who read this thread.
That is why I close this thread: to make sure that every report get it's fair hearing, and not only by the few who read this thread.
With Kind Regards,
EqX

[app] MODDED Angry Birds Rio :D

Okay, so no one likes those annoying ads eh? WELL, I decided to rip apart angry birds and see whats inside.
R.1
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-Removed ADS!
-Changed Splash Screen
Will be adding more cool stuff as soon as I dissect the code more, If you would like to get in on this pM me
You can download the apk BELOW.
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Here's some screens.
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Not sure If I posted this in the right section or if I am even allowed.
[highlight]Mod Edit: No, you are not allowed to post this kind of hacks. We had received warnings from Rovio about this before.[/highlight]

Thanks, just installed this and it works and looks great!

lowandbehold said:
Thanks, just installed this and it works and looks great!
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No problem, if you have any mod request for this post them

I don't think this would be looked upon without a frown from the mods upstairs...
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Eh
Not my cup of tea. That's how they get paid for giving you such a high quality app for free... ADS... you remove them, they don't get paid... apps like this are no longer free....
This is the same debate as rooting to tether. You tether... carriers get pissed... no more rooting...
You See?
I'll give you credit for being able to do this kind of stuff Very cool... but perhaps this is a mod you should have kept for yourself... you know?

dreamersipaq said:
Not my cup of tea. That's how they get paid for giving you such a high quality app for free... ADS... you remove them, they don't get paid... apps like this are no longer free....
This is the same debate as rooting to tether. You tether... carriers get pissed... no more rooting...
You See?
I'll give you credit for being able to do this kind of stuff Very cool... but perhaps this is a mod you should have kept for yourself... you know?
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Everything is up for debate. This is a Modding and hacking community. So we do things like this. But from a non-xda member view I guess you're right. But http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+is+angry+birds+free+on+android+?
That should clear things up a bit.
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If you had fundamentally changed the game, I think that would be more acceptable in terms of modding but just ripping out the ads and changing the splash screen isn't what I would describe as modding.
Modding is like creating a new level, replacing the graphics, this is definitely more akin to piracy.

alostpacket said:
If you had fundamentally changed the game, I think that would be more acceptable in terms of modding but just ripping out the ads and changing the splash screen isn't what I would describe as modding.
Modding is like creating a new level, replacing the graphics, this is definitely more akin to piracy.
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Here's the definition of modding.
modify [mdfa] vb -fies, -fying, -fied (mainly tr) 1. to change the structure, character, intent, etc., of
Enough said about that.
Do you just read the title and not read the post? I'm pretty sure I said I'll be adding more mods once I get a feel for their code. Oh, yeah this is defiantly piracy since I'm tweaking an app that is free and all. Please know what you're talking about before you post.
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Add me to the list that doesn't agree with this. No offense to you at all, just don't feel its right to take away their income from this app.
If people don't want the ads, they can pay $.99, or they could've just gotten the app while it was free on the amazon appstore.

I'm not sure why you're making this personal, and I don't think you really believe that I misunderstood your post or what modding is.
The problem is, this is exactly the kind of post you would expect to find from a warez forum. A crack to remove ads, and a custom splash screen, and that's it. Just because you call it a mod, doesn't make it so.
Modding is an art form and I highly respect it. You're just not there yet, and you're acting very immature about it. If you make a great game out of this, kudos to you. But in it's current form, what you posted is closer to piracy than modding. Which has nothing to do with something being free or not.
3 posters here have now warned you about it. You might take that as a hint that you should consider thinking it through again. You've also been rude to two of them and thanked the other because you misread his post.
Anyways, I wish you luck in creating a really cool mod eventually -- I really do.
But I don't think it helps anyone for me to continue to reply here, we've said our warnings and the forum moderators will sort the rest.
Also, one last peice of advice, if you're going to put yourself on stage, you should learn to take a bit of criticism without lashing out with personal insults.

Add me to the list that disagrees. Stuff like this is what ruins things for others. Also a determining factor for us getting Netflix they are afraid of what can be changed.
alostpacket said:
I'm not sure why you're making this personal, and I don't think you really believe that I misunderstood your post or what modding is.
The problem is, this is exactly the kind of post you would expect to find from a warez forum. A crack to remove ads, and a custom splash screen, and that's it. Just because you call it a mod, doesn't make it so.
Modding is an art form and I highly respect it. You're just not there yet, and you're acting very immature about it. If you make a great game out of this, kudos to you. But in it's current form, what you posted is closer to piracy than modding. Which has nothing to do with something being free or not.
3 posters here have now warned you about it. You might take that as a hint that you should consider thinking it through again. You've also been rude to two of them and thanked the other because you misread his post.
Anyways, I wish you luck in creating a really cool mod eventually -- I really do.
But I don't think it helps anyone for me to continue to reply here, we've said our warnings and the forum moderators will sort the rest.
Also, one last peice of advice, if you're going to put yourself on stage, you should learn to take a bit of criticism without lashing out with personal insults.
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+1
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holy crap if u dont like the app then dont post. go troll somewhere else ....

No one is lashing out. I'm simply trying to make you who oppose this realize that you sound ridiculous. And as for Netflix.... that has nothing to do with this. So please if you don't like this, then don't download and don't troll. Can I please have a mod remove their post? I guess they forgot what kind of site there were members of. It this offends you then I guess we should removed ad-free android off the market oh yeah and remove the flashable zips MANY highly respected members post for their roms to block ads. So please. Get off this thread.
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Yeah nobody said you guys had to use it.
Good work, look forward to more.
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Look man
This is my final post about this.... I'm not going to argue I just want to make you understand.
1) I have been a member of this forum since 2008.... so yes, I DO know what this site is, I do know what it's about, and my "view" on this is exactly from an xda-member point of view versus what you state
2) Kudos to you still... to be able to reverse engineer.... but the irony is that what you posted in your reply to me; googling "why is angry birds free" IRONICALLY pretty much states that it's because of the adds on just about any site that you visit from the results.
3) XDA has ALWAYS considered itself to be morally ABOVE warez... what you're posting is border line warez... PERIOD. Rovio has STATED that they've made more money off of ads then they would have ever posting as a paid app. This is why they released seasons, why they released rovio for android, etc... see the pattern? It's because they're making money. It's discouraging for a coder or company to make something for android... the paid apps DO NOT sell as well as for iOS, so they reserve to ads... when money from ads no longer appears, and paid apps don't sell as well... there's no more reason to develop for them for android... then we bit*h about how there aren't enough apps for android..... just try to understand what I'm saying without lashing back. OK?
4) Again, if you're going to post - don't lash out on people that disagree with you, take their criticism and roll with it. Either ignore it or thank them for it.
5) And to the others that say... oh jeez just move on and don't post if you don't like. This isn't exactly the same. Rovio is a company, with legal capabilities, and you don't know how far they're going to go to defend their intellectual property. But seeing as this is the BULK of their business... I'm guessing far. *I KNOW THAT THIS IS AN EXTREMELY OVERBLOWN SCENARIO* But I don't want the risk of having XDA get shut down because of a cease and desist... Also, regardless of how I fee about this, I'm trying to explain to the OP that he may face legal action against him as well if they wish. He's reverse engineering and modifying intellectual property... and I don't want that happening to any developer at all
Anyway, rant over... just take our heeds and warnings OP. I'm not trying to attack you.... in a way I'm trying to protect you AND XDA.
That is all.... but the more this happens *ads being blocked by modders*, the less development you will see for android by people who do not wish to develop just paid apps. If you're going to develop for *ONE* ecosystem.... iOS is the way you're going to go... their ecosystem has more money flow... that's just a fact... and if revenue from ads is nonexistent, well, you know what will happen. Just take a look at what's happening with root and bootloaders in our community. I guarantee you carriers wouldn't care if they weren't losing money!
My $0.02

get off of it dude,,,,,,any mod is a change, i , my self , love the game, but you are wrong about your thinking of the different way,s of changing things, no matter where it is,
the (key west pirate)
and the adds are from (fox)

if it was a paid app, then not to many people would buy it, and hacking is hacking, no matter what it is, i have hacked open just about all the apps, a lot more then just a 1.00 app, it is just a an app, try a lot harder things then that
i love it with no (adds)
the adds are a pain in the ass, cover part of the game in one version of it , not very nice
and programmer that wrote it is getting payed by a company to write the app
do your home work on the money trail, and you find out ,
the (key west pirate)

dreamersipaq said:
This is my final post about this.... I'm not going to argue I just want to make you understand.
1) I have been a member of this forum since 2008.... so yes, I DO know what this site is, I do know what it's about, and my "view" on this is exactly from an xda-member point of view versus what you state
2) Kudos to you still... to be able to reverse engineer.... but the irony is that what you posted in your reply to me; googling "why is angry birds free" IRONICALLY pretty much states that it's because of the adds on just about any site that you visit from the results.
3) XDA has ALWAYS considered itself to be morally ABOVE warez... what you're posting is border line warez... PERIOD. Rovio has STATED that they've made more money off of ads then they would have ever posting as a paid app. This is why they released seasons, why they released rovio for android, etc... see the pattern? It's because they're making money. It's discouraging for a coder or company to make something for android... the paid apps DO NOT sell as well as for iOS, so they reserve to ads... when money from ads no longer appears, and paid apps don't sell as well... there's no more reason to develop for them for android... then we bit*h about how there aren't enough apps for android..... just try to understand what I'm saying without lashing back. OK?
4) Again, if you're going to post - don't lash out on people that disagree with you, take their criticism and roll with it. Either ignore it or thank them for it.
5) And to the others that say... oh jeez just move on and don't post if you don't like. This isn't exactly the same. Rovio is a company, with legal capabilities, and you don't know how far they're going to go to defend their intellectual property. But seeing as this is the BULK of their business... I'm guessing far. *I KNOW THAT THIS IS AN EXTREMELY OVERBLOWN SCENARIO* But I don't want the risk of having XDA get shut down because of a cease and desist... Also, regardless of how I fee about this, I'm trying to explain to the OP that he may face legal action against him as well if they wish. He's reverse engineering and modifying intellectual property... and I don't want that happening to any developer at all
Anyway, rant over... just take our heeds and warnings OP. I'm not trying to attack you.... in a way I'm trying to protect you AND XDA.
That is all.... but the more this happens *ads being blocked by modders*, the less development you will see for android by people who do not wish to develop just paid apps. If you're going to develop for *ONE* ecosystem.... iOS is the way you're going to go... their ecosystem has more money flow... that's just a fact... and if revenue from ads is nonexistent, well, you know what will happen. Just take a look at what's happening with root and bootloaders in our community. I guarantee you carriers wouldn't care if they weren't losing money!
My $0.02
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mr. dreamer..... i think you should not be on this site if u feel that modding or changing things is a crime.. here we ripp appart apps from a device and make it available for all the other device .. we make custom roms here which in fact improves the overall performance of the device ..due to which we dont change the device for a long time , which in turn is not a good thing for the manufacturers...
so if u think what this guy has done .. u should stop using custom roms and also stop tweaking ur device ..cozz if you want to get more out of ur device.. you can buy a more better version of device rather than tweaking it..
this community is all about tweaking and getting more from the existing .. may it be apps or firmware..
people have also tweaked the google maps and navigation to make it free for everyone.. so you were nowhere to be seen there..
there is an app called add free.. which every rom devloper includes in his roms
and i m sure u might be using a lot of these roms.. so u should stop using this forum..
i totally support this guy cozz.. he has just tweaked a free app...
if this thread would be taken down then then the purpose of having such a great forum wouldnt be the same...
these are the poll results for u.
View Poll Results: Please mod more!
Yes, lets see what comes out of this. 7 100.00%
Na, its okay. 0
and if u are saying "in a way I'm trying to protect you AND XDA".. get a life dude.. if you want to do any favor for us .. just get your ass out of this forum that would be the biggest favor

I use Adfree, the ads are gone already. I wonder if these guys bash the creator of that app or even worse, use it themselves. Oh the irony...
But it all depends on who you are and what you have contributed to xda, because the impaler released the same thing for angry birds, I don't remember anyone criticizing him for it.

dreamersipaq said:
This is my final post about this.... I'm not going to argue I just want to make you understand.
1) I have been a member of this forum since 2008.... so yes, I DO know what this site is, I do know what it's about, and my "view" on this is exactly from an xda-member point of view versus what you state
2) Kudos to you still... to be able to reverse engineer.... but the irony is that what you posted in your reply to me; googling "why is angry birds free" IRONICALLY pretty much states that it's because of the adds on just about any site that you visit from the results.
3) XDA has ALWAYS considered itself to be morally ABOVE warez... what you're posting is border line warez... PERIOD. Rovio has STATED that they've made more money off of ads then they would have ever posting as a paid app. This is why they released seasons, why they released rovio for android, etc... see the pattern? It's because they're making money. It's discouraging for a coder or company to make something for android... the paid apps DO NOT sell as well as for iOS, so they reserve to ads... when money from ads no longer appears, and paid apps don't sell as well... there's no more reason to develop for them for android... then we bit*h about how there aren't enough apps for android..... just try to understand what I'm saying without lashing back. OK?
4) Again, if you're going to post - don't lash out on people that disagree with you, take their criticism and roll with it. Either ignore it or thank them for it.
5) And to the others that say... oh jeez just move on and don't post if you don't like. This isn't exactly the same. Rovio is a company, with legal capabilities, and you don't know how far they're going to go to defend their intellectual property. But seeing as this is the BULK of their business... I'm guessing far. *I KNOW THAT THIS IS AN EXTREMELY OVERBLOWN SCENARIO* But I don't want the risk of having XDA get shut down because of a cease and desist... Also, regardless of how I fee about this, I'm trying to explain to the OP that he may face legal action against him as well if they wish. He's reverse engineering and modifying intellectual property... and I don't want that happening to any developer at all
Anyway, rant over... just take our heeds and warnings OP. I'm not trying to attack you.... in a way I'm trying to protect you AND XDA.
That is all.... but the more this happens *ads being blocked by modders*, the less development you will see for android by people who do not wish to develop just paid apps. If you're going to develop for *ONE* ecosystem.... iOS is the way you're going to go... their ecosystem has more money flow... that's just a fact... and if revenue from ads is nonexistent, well, you know what will happen. Just take a look at what's happening with root and bootloaders in our community. I guarantee you carriers wouldn't care if they weren't losing money!
My $0.02
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I stopped reading at 3).... Why?
Because this reason.
I'll just let you talk, you're ruining my thread and I am running out of patience.
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I use Adfree, the ads are gone already. I wonder if these guys bash the creator of that app or even worse, use it themselves. Oh the irony...
But it all depends on who you are and what you have contributed to xda, because the impaler released the same thing for angry birds, I don't remember anyone criticizing him for it.
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EXACTLY!!!!!

Off-site Roms and XDA support threads

This has become a stickler point for me.
How exactly do these "roms" that post on xda to gain the large audience with links to thier own sites with thier own forums and downloads do it?
Why does XDA allow the threads to exist?
To me it's a confusing point, on one hand you've got the huge user base that XDA has and it's "helpful" but on the other hand these "roms" have chosen to move else where to have a clear cut definition of "who" their users are.
I for one would love to see xda delete these threads, if your rom isnt hosted here why should XDA pick up the tab on the traffic and moderation to "support" the people that don't want to follow basic rules.
It's one thing to post on here saying that it's out it's quite another to have a thread devoted to the rom for "support" when they've got their own site and thier own "donation" setup and don't offer direct links to the roms.
I'm thinking of Bonsai and Baked Snack when I say this, although other sites like ppcgeeks are guilty of it as well.
Here's the breakdown...
Baked snack was a rom a while back that Herver ran, he had people that loved his roms, but he wouldnt share his gpl code, so XDA to avoid issues banned him and removes his threads.
Bonsai started up thier own "business oriented and non-hobby"(randy's words) website and started offering up betas to people that donated, BANNING people that would share this beta software if they found out.(or so his users have said)
PPCGeeks.com basically is a forum that has very little of it's own content and tends to backlink to threads here on XDA. This should not be allowed. it's cheap and annoying to think that other forums all link back to xda but refuse to use and follow it's rules touting it as the devil for thier moderators sucking and other offhanded badness, while at the same time using it's resources for thier own gain.
If you want to follow the XDA rules on rom posting fine. Post here. If you want to have your own site to support the rom fine have the site, but if you get removed from the site for not following the rules, do NOT expect to keep using it to support your users.
The rules of posting should be simple.
If you post a rom in a thread there should NOT be an external sign up on said site to get the rom.
If you post a rom, there should NOT be a pay to play system in place to get "advanced" copies,(nor a "shopping cart" for the rom)
If you post a rom, there SHOULD be a direct link or mirror link to the rom.
If you post a rom, there should be open disclosure and read-only sources to what you've done.
In essence i for one WANT to see all support threads for non-hosted on XDA roms removed, they put a burden on XDA to moderate, the put a burden on XDA for bandwidth and hardware, and they cause undue traffic to those that don't want to play by the rules they signed up for.
Side note, i'd love to see hotlinking from other sites also disabled on XDA to stop those crap spring up offshoot websites thinking they're better and "more laid back" from not having to bother with their own content and users.
Analogy time:
Think of it like this... You've spent a lot of time and money to make a large car lot, you allow others of the community who've used your car lot to gather and sell their own cars on your lot free of charge. It all runs fine until along comes one person that feels they should be allowed to use the facilities of the lot for only themselves and break ruin the good bathroom, now they setup thier own bathroom close to thier table but only people that come to thier table and purchase a car may use this bathroom. After a little while you find that they have opened up their own car lot across the street. You ask them to take their cars elsewhere, and remove them from your lot. BUT they setup a table on your lot and take up valuable real-estate to "answer questions" about their car lot across the street AND about their cars. while using your facilities and security etc. Would you do that in normal circumstances? or would you remove their table as well and let them use their own car lot as a support and sales team for their own cars?
Anyways, thats my take on the whole off-site roms but XDA support.
Add thanks to this if you support this idea, OR post away and add something new to the conversation, *I* personally think that XDA should take a hand in removing these threads from here as they are a detriment to the community that exists and undermines the ideals attached to opensource projects.

I definitely agree with Art3mis on this one. Its ridiculous that they are still allowed to have support threads (and more that they even have support threads instead of just having them all on their own private forums as they either, didnt follow the rules of XDA, or left at their own accord).

Yeah it annoys me that bonsai still has support threads here.

you are right and i agree 100% with everything except this:
art3mis-nyc said:
Side note, i'd love to see hotlinking from other sites also disabled on XDA to stop those crap spring up offshoot websites thinking they're better and "more laid back" from not having to bother with their own content and users.
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hotlinking from other sites is how all the roms are posted whether it be private domains or sites like multiupload. there is an 8meg limit on xda attachments...so big 100+ meg rom downloads have to be linked from somewhere else to save xda's bandwidth. i personally like hosting my own files and giving direct links in threads because i can look at awstats and know how many times a file has been hit.
on that same note i agree there should be a direct link...and i mean a real direct link....not a redirect to sign up or a redirect to an ad page or anything like that...the rest of your article i agree 100%

Then don't click on the thread?? Is it really that hard?

art3mis-nyc said:
This has become a stickler point for me......(other stuff)
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Get off your high horse. You are no dev (not even cut and paste) and no mod.
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XDA doesn't allow software that breaks the rules or off-site competition, but they allow discussion of said software. Kind of counter-intuitive, really.
Rodderik said:
hotlinking from other sites is how all the roms are posted whether it be private domains or sites like multiupload. there is an 8meg limit on xda attachments...so big 100+ meg rom downloads have to be linked from somewhere else to save xda's bandwidth.
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I think he means other websites hotlinking to XDA.

All the Bonsai support threads are gone, and have been for a long while. The only thing left is the user discussion thread in the General section. It's for news and users helping other users. Everyone knows where to go for dev support when it comes to Bonsai.
But there are a couple reasons why the thread exists. First off, it doesn't break any XDA rules. They would have to break their own rules or create new ones to get rid of it. The other reason is XDA does not want to remove it. Anything that is considered controversial gets hits. The more hits, the better for advertising revenue . Every time someone tries to start a Bonsai hate thread of *****es about why it exists, people come along and either argue or agree with the OP. XDA does not care one way or the other, they get paid the same.
As Randy stated here-
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15035075&postcount=1026
He has made every attempt to work things out, but it has been a one way process.

Deleted. Counter productive.
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I think this whole thing is kind of silly. The analygy given by the OP isn't even close. In xda, no physical damage was done and nothing illegal was done. You might as well been comparing a frog to a cow .
I am a huge proponent of open source, but as a business owner, I know that time is very important and good developers should be paid.
In other open source industries (I will use Drupal.org as my example), commercial and opensource get along just fine. There are many commercial companies (acquia.com) that's entire business is providing service and support for the open source products they use and promote. The commercial companies have made the open source community way stronger in these last few years. Another example would be Linux, Canonical the business backing Ubuntu.
Those industries have standards too and don't allow any non-GPL (back to the Drupal example) code to be committed in there repository. They still allow commercial companies with closed source to participate.
The "groups" (bonsai, etc...) that are talked about here are still contributing to the the community. They may not be doing it according to xda's rules, but that doesn't mean they aren't contributing.
I understand xda's motives for disallowing closed source stuff in the forums. But banning everyones ability to talk about sites outside of the forum is ridiculous. Thats like saying "we encourage and love open source" but "we hate open (source) communication".
Lastly, why you throwing PPCGeeks under the bus. Before my epic I owned 3 winmo phones. I could find way more CDMA winmo roms on PPCgeeks than I ever found on xda. Fixes were rolled out fast and the winmo community on ppcgeeks was very strong.

Rodderik said:
you are right and i agree 100% with everything except this:
hotlinking from other sites is how all the roms are posted whether it be private domains or sites like multiupload. there is an 8meg limit on xda attachments...so big 100+ meg rom downloads have to be linked from somewhere else to save xda's bandwidth. i personally like hosting my own files and giving direct links in threads because i can look at awstats and know how many times a file has been hit.
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This is more in relation to say i started a "forum" for Superawesomeroms.com and then i have nothing to post so all i do is post links to XDA threads all the while bemoaning and berating XDA for thier crap moderation and blah blah blah blah

Well, I for one post my content here, ppcgeeks, and ACS. Obviously most of the traffic I get is here.
What I can say is that other sites linking to xda is how I found this site. I was on ppcgeeks a few months before xda, and found xda through a link off their site. I also link back to xda quite often when I'm trying to help other on another site. What that shows me is that other sites linking back to xda drives traffic here.
Traffic=revenue. Guess I don't see the problem with that.

art3mis-nyc said:
This has become a stickler point for me.
How exactly do these "roms" that post on xda to gain the large audience with links to thier own sites with thier own forums and downloads do it?
Why does XDA allow the threads to exist?
To me it's a confusing point, on one hand you've got the huge user base that XDA has and it's "helpful" but on the other hand these "roms" have chosen to move else where to have a clear cut definition of "who" their users are.
I for one would love to see xda delete these threads, if your rom isnt hosted here why should XDA pick up the tab on the traffic and moderation to "support" the people that don't want to follow basic rules.
It's one thing to post on here saying that it's out it's quite another to have a thread devoted to the rom for "support" when they've got their own site and thier own "donation" setup and don't offer direct links to the roms.
I'm thinking of Bonsai and Baked Snack when I say this, although other sites like ppcgeeks are guilty of it as well.
Here's the breakdown...
Baked snack was a rom a while back that Herver ran, he had people that loved his roms, but he wouldnt share his gpl code, so XDA to avoid issues banned him and removes his threads.
Bonsai started up thier own "business oriented and non-hobby"(randy's words) website and started offering up betas to people that donated, BANNING people that would share this beta software if they found out.(or so his users have said)
PPCGeeks.com basically is a forum that has very little of it's own content and tends to backlink to threads here on XDA. This should not be allowed. it's cheap and annoying to think that other forums all link back to xda but refuse to use and follow it's rules touting it as the devil for thier moderators sucking and other offhanded badness, while at the same time using it's resources for thier own gain.
If you want to follow the XDA rules on rom posting fine. Post here. If you want to have your own site to support the rom fine have the site, but if you get removed from the site for not following the rules, do NOT expect to keep using it to support your users.
The rules of posting should be simple.
If you post a rom in a thread there should NOT be an external sign up on said site to get the rom.
If you post a rom, there should NOT be a pay to play system in place to get "advanced" copies,(nor a "shopping cart" for the rom)
If you post a rom, there SHOULD be a direct link or mirror link to the rom.
If you post a rom, there should be open disclosure and read-only sources to what you've done.
In essence i for one WANT to see all support threads for non-hosted on XDA roms removed, they put a burden on XDA to moderate, the put a burden on XDA for bandwidth and hardware, and they cause undue traffic to those that don't want to play by the rules they signed up for.
Side note, i'd love to see hotlinking from other sites also disabled on XDA to stop those crap spring up offshoot websites thinking they're better and "more laid back" from not having to bother with their own content and users.
Analogy time:
Think of it like this... You've spent a lot of time and money to make a large car lot, you allow others of the community who've used your car lot to gather and sell their own cars on your lot free of charge. It all runs fine until along comes one person that feels they should be allowed to use the facilities of the lot for only themselves and break ruin the good bathroom, now they setup thier own bathroom close to thier table but only people that come to thier table and purchase a car may use this bathroom. After a little while you find that they have opened up their own car lot across the street. You ask them to take their cars elsewhere, and remove them from your lot. BUT they setup a table on your lot and take up valuable real-estate to "answer questions" about their car lot across the street AND about their cars. while using your facilities and security etc. Would you do that in normal circumstances? or would you remove their table as well and let them use their own car lot as a support and sales team for their own cars?
Anyways, thats my take on the whole off-site roms but XDA support.
Add thanks to this if you support this idea, OR post away and add something new to the conversation, *I* personally think that XDA should take a hand in removing these threads from here as they are a detriment to the community that exists and undermines the ideals attached to opensource projects.
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As long as your calling everyone else out. Mentioning a competitive site, I do believe, is against the rules.
Guys, these are just phones and at this point why even bring this up? I'm not suggesting that the rules be ignored but everyone constantly getting bent out of shape over this stuff isn't productive or even healthy for that matter.
PLEASE, just let the Bonsai thing just die already. They made their choice and no matter how many people complain about it, is't going to change anything. All it does is start flame wars. If you have something to say to them I suggest you contact them directly and give them a chance to address the concerns directly.
Why can't we do something.......anything...but complain. Does anyone stop to think that Bonsai leaving for setting up their site the way they did has little to nothing to do with the direction the Epic forums are going in? It's bad attitudes and feelings of entitlement that are KILLING this forum, IMHO. Stop complaining and contribute to positive change. If we focus on the negative all the time that's all we are going to get.

If any threads should be deleted it is ones talking about other phones. There are forums for those. This is the Samsung Epic forum, that is the phone I have chosen for 2 years and only want to see threads about those. If an accessory or ROM is avaliable off XA for it, I want to know about it. I don't give a crap about the EVO 3d or Within or any otherstupid little phone that comes out. XDA has a general forum for that and most of these have their own forums. Don't clutter our threads with that garbage, or whiny kids saying "it's official our phone is a piece of crap"! This is the clutter that needs to be removed. Not a single thread for an offsite ROM.
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icevapor said:
I think this whole thing is kind of silly. The analygy given by the OP isn't even close. In xda, no physical damage was done and nothing illegal was done. You might as well been comparing a frog to a cow .
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Not really it's a valid argument, and while you dont see it, BW useage etc is a hit when it supports items that arent on the site itself.
icevapor said:
I am a huge proponent of open source, but as a business owner, I know that time is very important and good developers should be paid.
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Some very fine work perhaps the best work as far as the epic goes, is from people that do it for fun and hobby, and dont ask for donations and in some cases dont even have a link for it, yet others believe as you do apperantly that they should be able to take the others work, rename it and change it and "sell" it(ie the Bonsai clockworkmod that they simply renamed and recoloured) as noted i'm fine with charging for support, it's the software i dont like the charging to exist for.
icevapor said:
In other open source industries (I will use Drupal.org as my example), commercial and opensource get along just fine. There are many commercial companies (acquia.com) that's entire business is providing service and support for the open source products they use and promote. The commercial companies have made the open source community way stronger in these last few years. Another example would be Linux, Canonical the business backing Ubuntu.
Those industries have standards too and don't allow any non-GPL (back to the Drupal example) code to be committed in there repository. They still allow commercial companies with closed source to participate.
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The difference between that and this is that the Opensource lives along side, doesnt require a signup and in most cases is "on par" with the pay version, again you're paying for support, which im fine with, but the software is available to all or none, not to who pays.(minus some features of course but rarely advanced beta copies etc)
icevapor said:
The "groups" (bonsai, etc...) that are talked about here are still contributing to the the community. They may not be doing it according to xda's rules, but that doesn't mean they aren't contributing.
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I can't think of a single thing that has been contributed back, aside from the kernel fiasco for marcusants "psuedo rom"
icevapor said:
Lastly, why you throwing PPCGeeks under the bus. Before my epic I owned 3 winmo phones. I could find way more CDMA winmo roms on PPCgeeks than I ever found on xda. Fixes were rolled out fast and the winmo community on ppcgeeks was very strong.
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ppcgeeks was the first site that i noticed it on and while it's not directed specifically at them, they are guilty of the above mentioned content links.

i'm not scared of negativity
and you shouldn't be either
if discussing negativity means thats all you will end up with
then ask yourself who is the real source of negativity?
deciding your fate...premonitions?
let it roll
if you never go there...you will never get it out of your system
and i'm sure thats why anyone would participate in this thread to begin with
so do it, and dig deep
just try and be as respectful as possible in your aims
dont cloud this life with misconstrued karma
if you cannot understand someones apparent stance and it appears ignorant or childish,
then try and be the bigger person and post something constructive they can actually do
otherwise you are just bickering for the sake of it
before i get too far off topic
if xda's main goal is truly web traffic...then thats what the userbase is going to comprise of...otherwise you are just out of place and belong elsewhere.
if you are just part of traffic then dont claim to be a leader with every post you make
and vise versa...dont get lost in the traffic when you know damn well you have something to offer the community that is truly valuable. Everyone has a part to play, dont care how many babies are born today.
If in fact this is truly xda's goal...who knows...the site is large...plenty of room for emotion to find its way in.
Life is useful. (dental dams are your friend)
And above all...hitler was nothing compared to billions the russians killed of their own people...
History...it owns people every day.
Stand for something better than the illegitimate use/abuse of people.
Especially when most of these things being created are not very reliable and designed to support jobs and sales and an economy and false hopes and everything that goes along with a society that throws its lives to the foothold of a dollar bill that is utterly useless in the reality of the universe.
Real answers are not easy...take the time as much as you possibly can.
LISTEN
and when you think you cannot take anymore without putting in your two cents
LISTEN SOME MORE
there are plenty of people just hanging around that have been through it all and seen it
and you can stop acting anytime like you are one of them
real life steps in before anyone could ever make a worthwhile decision
humans...making decisions for others since breakfast
tough titties?
we'll see who's talking then...when?
the sooner the sooner

mattallica76 said:
The only thing [Bonsai] left is the user discussion thread in the General section. It's for news and users helping other users.
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I can't say whether this is ideal or not. However, folks are going to ask about Bonsai whether discussion is allowed or not. Thus, it's arguably prudent to allow one thread for its discussion to avoid having it being asked about repeatedly in new threads.
shane6374 said:
What I can say is that other sites linking to xda is how I found this site.
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This is perhaps the most important point of the thread. However it happened, xda became the definitive resource for phone hackery. If xda were to forbid off-site hotlinking, that would have the result, both direct (PageRank, robots exclusion, etc.) and indirect (through absence of news articles and other discussion) of sinking it in search results. At which point--at best--some other site would become definitive and discussion would move there, or quite possibly, no one site would emerge as definitive and discussion would become horribly fragmented.
To be honest, the primary reason I post patches here with lengthy technical descriptions is becuase, in 3-6 months time, I know someone Googling a similar problem will come across my threads and find an answer. The fact that it also contributes code to this community is a wonderful secondary benefit, but to be honest, discussion and ROM development is too ephemeral to make it worth the effort if Google wasn't around to archive the result. And it's far easier for me to do it here, and gets far more exposure and use, than if I were to run my own blog or something.

ptfdmedic said:
As long as your calling everyone else out. Mentioning a competitive site, I do believe, is against the rules.
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yeah yeah, pedantic argument.
ptfdmedic said:
Guys, these are just phones and at this point why even bring this up? I'm not suggesting that the rules be ignored but everyone constantly getting bent out of shape over this stuff isn't productive or even healthy for that matter.
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oh im not bent out of shape, that post would have been a lot more incoherent if i was.
ptfdmedic said:
PLEASE, just let the Bonsai thing just die already. They made their choice and no matter how many people complain about it, is't going to change anything. All it does is start flame wars. If you have something to say to them I suggest you contact them directly and give them a chance to address the concerns directly.
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it's called an example. Happens to be the most obvious so it's used.
btw i did contact them directly and thats how i came to the quote from randy stating that Bonsai is not a hobby it's a business.
and then the tired out saying of "i for one like to pay for good software rant" while touting the virtues of opensource.(<3 me some hypocrites)
ptfdmedic said:
Why can't we do something.......anything...but complain. Does anyone stop to think that Bonsai leaving for setting up their site the way they did has little to nothing to do with the direction the Epic forums are going in? It's bad attitudes and feelings of entitlement that are KILLING this forum, IMHO. Stop complaining and contribute to positive change. If we focus on the negative all the time that's all we are going to get.
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this isn't negative unless you read it that way, i honestly want it to change, and to find out WHY it exists.
People commenting and saying we should "all get along" sadly contribute nothing(good nor bad) to a thread.

mkasick said:
I can't say whether this is ideal or not. However, folks are going to ask about Bonsai whether discussion is allowed or not. Thus, it's arguably prudent to allow one thread for its discussion to avoid having it being asked about repeatedly in new threads.
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You would think so, but the same can't be said towards heros' rom, many threads are started to talk about it are quickly killed and its poster banned.. so it's sort of a double edged.

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Hey everyone!
Most of you here know about the "Sharing the Invitation" List here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2731057
But if you've been following the thread, it's been falling apart, mainly due to impatient beggars and trolls who have nothing better to do with their lives. It's a good idea, but when put to practice under inopportune circumstances, it falls apart. Kinda like communism.
It got me thinking. What if we made an XDA-Exclusive list here? I have a feeling that people here are much more civil and respectful than over on the OnePlus forums. The One is supposed to be a developer-oriented phone, and XDA is the heart of the developer community. I want to get this phone in the hands of the great developers here ASAP. As much as I love custom ROMs and CyanogenMod in its glory days, Cyanogen Inc. has become shady and untrustworthy. Not to mention, people here are probably much more likely to spread invites and respectfully wait for more to be shared and released, instead of begging repeatedly.
Just a little idea. I feel like this community here has much to offer when it comes to this phone.
EDIT: This thread is now in much more capable hands than mine. Please keep cooperating, and with this recent "Storm of Invites" hopefully one of us will get our hands on one. Thank your for your participation!

Yes I do like idea. The one plus forms are chaos with many drive by invite beggars and nay sayers, and as such, the invite list reflects that, having been filled with trolls and people just looking to service themselves. The XDA forum members are much more civilized, and looking to participate with the community. If you can organize a way to shave invites, when they can be shared, then I would be onboard.
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The Jack of Clubs said:
Yes I do like idea. The one plus forms are chaos with many drive by invite beggars and nay sayers, and as such, the invite list reflects that, having been filled with trolls and people just looking to service themselves. The XDA forum members are much more civilized, and looking to participate with the community. If you can organize a way to shave invites, when they can be shared, then I would be onboard.
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I would open up a public spreadsheet on Google Docs, but that's what the other invite list thread did, and trolls repeatedly attacked, erasing names and profaning the spreadsheet. I'd want a Moderator, a Recognized Developer, or someone powerful like that to control the invite list, and cause immediate punishment and consequences to those who try to profane or beg. @graffixnyc seems to be a driving force here in the OnePlus One community over here at XDA, maybe he could help us.

I would also be up for this. I am mostly a lurker and don't comment much in the forums but I love reading on XDA. It drives me crazy each time I go to the opo forums.
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I could help maintaining a list here. What I would suggest is to get a new thread opened, and have the OP control over the list. That way, only the OP can edit it and add entries. Also, there should be a limitation (like on the invite teams over at the Oneplus forums). If you like me to do it, I'm up for it.

dansou901 said:
I could help maintaining a list here. What I would suggest is to get a new thread opened, and have the OP control over the list. That way, only the OP can edit it and add entries. Also, there should be a limitation (like on the invite teams over at the Oneplus forums). If you like me to do it, I'm up for it.
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That sounds like a great way to do it, this way trolls won't be able to mess everything up. Although the thread is bound to be attacked by trolls and beggars. Also lets get some developers on this phone, we could move them up on the list, so that custom roms are available to the rest of us, once we get the phone

Sounds like a great idea. I'd happily bring any invites if i get them to here.

Ok, so let's do it. Before I will open the list, I want to be sure this is backed up by our forum moderators like @Naddict, just to avoid to have it closed down before start.

dansou901 said:
I could help maintaining a list here. What I would suggest is to get a new thread opened, and have the OP control over the list. That way, only the OP can edit it and add entries. Also, there should be a limitation (like on the invite teams over at the Oneplus forums). If you like me to do it, I'm up for it.
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That seems like it would work very well. There should be some sort of "evaluation" to get onto the list. Just looking around the person's profile to see what/if they've contributed any relevant/helpful information to the forums. Mods and developers should be first priority. If anyone is caught begging or trolling at all, they are kicked off the "invite team" and are put on a "ban list", preventing them from trying to join again or joining any further invite lists here on XDA, if we choose to have any more.
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no sense creating a new thread...you pretty much have set up the guidelines that you want to use when you exchange information here...
I say kick it off from my post on, if things spiral into too much off topic banter, let us know. XDA is here to further development and exchange ideas, so lets always remember that we are here for that too. Oh, and respect in posts/posting, and replies!!!....
Good luck!
(OP, feel free to change your title for the thread to fit...I can delete any of the discussion threads following you post to keep things clean...let me know...cheers!)

@treChoy: When I maintain the list, wouldn't it be better to transfer thread ownership to me then? Would it be ok for you?

Seeing as we are going to be asking for invites, I will ask once and this post will be just that.
I'm just a ordinary end-user though. I mean, I've been debating on trying to get into developing but no GPE or Nexus to play with and this might be a good start.
Of course as you said in earlier posts, Devs move up the list please. Get them on to this device.
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@treChoy: When I maintain the list, wouldn't it be better to transfer thread ownership to me then? Would it be ok for you?
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Sure, although I have no idea how to do that from Tapatalk using my data plan. And I have no access to XDA here at school on a computer, since everything is firewalled. When you change the OP, make sure it's clear that any trolling or begging will not be tolerated. I think the best people to "rank" people is to divide their number of received likes by their number of posts. Of course, this is barring people like me, who are relatively new to contributing to the forums. My "ratio" is unfairly high because I haven't posted that much. Make a "ban list" specifying users who have trolled or begged. Developers and Moderators have first priority. I'm not sure how many users we should limit it to. The bigger we make it, the more likely that one of us will get invited. Good luck!
Oh, and make sure that this thread is mentioned NOWHERE on the OnePlus forums. All of those crazed people coming over here...good god, it would be a disaster.
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great idea, recognized developers only, lol to bad I aint one

ikm19 said:
I hope this one does't starts as another begging thread.
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Me neither. But I trust the people here at XDA will be good and be team players. I want to get these good people here phones, as well as get some top-notch developers a chance to have the phone as well. If the people of this thread see that as a common purpose, then teamwork and community should ensue.

Great idea on this thread. I'd like to be added to the list. Thanks!
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feerlessleadr said:
Great idea on this thread. I'd like to be added to the list. Thanks!
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Done

Can you add me to the list also please. Thanks.

Motorola Failure to Meet Update Commitments; Petition.

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As many owners of Motorola's Atrix, Atrix HD, Moto E and other models know all too well...
- Motorola has not maintained an organized or regular update cycle for their devices.
- Motorola has repeatedly broken vague promises and hard commitments to update devices.
- This includes cases where the updates were promised on the Motorola website.
- This includes a case where the update was released with details posted on-line but was not actually delivered to the devices stated.
- There has been an instance where an OTA that was a 5.0.x update was displayed as 5.1.x when being installed.
- Some of the affected devices are not service provider branded (just Moto) so Motorola cannot blame the SP as they have in the past.
Picking up on an idea considered when Motorola backed out of their commitment to update the Atrix HD to Lollipop last year, an on-line petition has been created to let Motorola know this is not right. It is focused on the Moto E but is crafted so it can be signed by anyone who has been betrayed by Motorola's failed update commitments or want to see a better way of handling updates. If there is any resolution as a result of this petition, it is unlikely to extend far but we can still let them know about it.
https://www.change.org/p/motorola-f...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink
Of course feel free to share details about pertinent experiences here in this thread but if you want Motorola to hear it, sign the petition and share the link to it. Also, For the Moto E you can make it known here at the Moto thread where details about the Moto E update are posted https://forums.motorola.com/posts/83391de77a?page=1.
Motorola once was, and should still be, capable of better than this!
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Nov 1, 2016, Greetings:
Motorola. Has finally updated most of the Moto E line to Android Marshmallow. Even some of the devices thought to be left off the update list (such as US retail single sim XT1511) eventually got Marshmallow, although sadly only after many boot-loaders were unlocked. Also, this Change.org petition for Moto E has been automatically closed (naturally expired), which was timely because it serves no purpose anymore, so I'll leave it expired and will ask to have this thread closed. I thank all who participated with signatures or in spirit. It was small in scope but every little bit helps.
One last thing: Although Moto E has been updated, Motorola has not mended it's poor updating ways and have done something similar (even worse by many measures) to yet another device, the Moto G3. There is a petition for that described in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/2015...sprey-t3476321 which I encourage all affected to sign.

You should probably post this in AF also, if you've not already dine so.
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starkly_raving said:
You should probably post this in AF also, if you've not already dine so.
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If you mean Android Forums, I've dug up some links to old posts of mine there (or was it Android Central, I don't recall) but they did not seem like good spots for this. Still, it's a good idea. I should be able to find a suitable place at other forums, and am open to specific recommendations. Also, everyone should feel free to share the link to the petition.

Signed and shared.

IronTechmonkey said:
If you mean Android Forums, I've dug up some links to old posts of mine there (or was it Android Central, I don't recall) but they did not seem like good spots for this. Still, it's a good idea. I should be able to find a suitable place at other forums, and am open to specific recommendations. Also, everyone should feel free to share the link to the petition.
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Maybe post on Reddit too? The Android community is pretty big there.

Signed!

Ace42 said:
Maybe post on Reddit too? The Android community is pretty big there.
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Another good idea. Thanks!

I think you guys shouldnt give a penny to motorola instead of moaning to let them hear your voice. Motorola simply doesnt give the smallest damn about this kind of petitions. Tried and didnt work for numerous times. Dont buy motorola, dont let anyone around you buy motorolas, that is what motorola deserves for their customer relations, marketing and update lies.
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Semseddin said:
I think you guys shouldnt give a penny to motorola instead of moaning to let them hear your voice. Motorola simply doesnt give the smallest damn about this kind of petitions. Tried and didnt work for numerous times. Dont buy motorola, dont let anyone around you buy motorolas, that is what motorola deserves for their customer relations, marketing and update lies.
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Boycott is not a bad idea either but that sort of action may actually be harder to organize than efforts like a petition. Have you ever organized a boycott or a petition about this subject? The action of withholding dollars, and the action of creating a petition are not mutually exclusive. Unfortunately many of us already posses these devices and do not have the option to redirect money to a different device at this point but would still like to do something about it. There are no guarantees, but this type of pressure has been made to work before. For me personally, having first used Motorola gear in the form of gray brick shaped walkie talkies and under-dash radios in the 1980s, and since then always being impressed with whatever Motorola device I encountered across a wide range of hardware types; wanting to see Moto do better is part of this. Also, please do note that discouraging the petition and calling it "moaning" in the very thread where it is shared may not go over well.

I miss IDEN.

nobreak1970 said:
I miss IDEN.
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What am I missing here?
[EDIT] Oh, I see. You're going old school as well. Nice.

IronTechmonkey said:
Boycott is not a bad idea either but that sort of action may actually be harder to organize than efforts like a petition. Have you ever organized a boycott or a petition about this subject? The action of withholding dollars, and the action of creating a petition are not mutually exclusive. Unfortunately many of us already posses these devices and do not have the option to redirect money to a different device at this point but would still like to do something about it. There are no guarantees, but this type of pressure has been made to work before. For me personally, having first used Motorola gear in the form of gray brick shaped walkie talkies and under-dash radios in the 1980s, and since then always being impressed with whatever Motorola device I encountered across a wide range of hardware types; wanting to see Moto do better is part of this. Also, please do note that discouraging the petition and calling it "moaning" in the very thread where it is shared may not go over well.
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I haven't organized a petition like this before but participated for atrix 4g ics update and xt910 bootloader unlock petitions back in time, the electronic signs were counted by nearly 10k and motorola didnt give the smallest damn about those, just igroned us. I am not here to discourage anyone but i posted just to say dont bother your precious time to tame a liar company in a friendly manner, not worth it. They dont listen to their customers at all. I also like motorola hardware and that is where it ends for me, everything else in motorola just have the stinkny worst smell of all. Their marketing, service team, software team are all the worst but they used to have good engineers, not sure if they still have them looking at their 2015 portfolio can be called at best pathetic.
Hope you guys get the updates you deserve for your devices though. Just dont buy anything else branded motorola in future, this will teach them better how to behave as a responsible company when they dont see money flowing into their vault.
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Semseddin said:
.....electronic signs were counted by nearly 10k...
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10k? To believe that number I would have to have see proof, including the specific details and target/recipient of the petition.
Semseddin said:
. .. I am not here to discourage anyone but i posted just to say dont bother your precious time...
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Within one 18 word statement you contradict yourself. If you don't like the food being served then don't pull up to the table. Perhaps you could vent by creating an anti petition petition that discourages people from signing petitions, but whatever you do please take it elsewhere.

Not really surprised by this sadly.

IronTechmonkey said:
10k? To believe that number I would have to have see proof, including the specific details and target/recipient of the petition.
Within one 18 word statement you contradict yourself. If you don't like the food being served then don't pull up to the table. Perhaps you could vent by creating an anti petition petition that discourages people from signing petitions, but whatever you do please take it elsewhere.
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Whatever, live your dream. Here is your numbers. Operation mosh, signed by 16k
https://www.change.org/p/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
Supportmymoto, no numbers but way above 10k supporters and real media support in a pro way.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32363139#post32363139
Now, you got ur numbers. Those petitions were for phones in premium range above 400$. Motorola just ignored them. You believe motorola would give a damn about your 50$ phone? Good luck with your dreams.
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Semseddin said:
...Operation mosh, signed by 16k https://www.change.org/p/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
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Impressive that they got 16k and I agree with it in principal but that is a request to unlock bootloader, against which Motorola (and other device manufacturers) are well insulated legally. The same is not necessarily the case for provably failed published commitments to provide a product or service.
Semseddin said:
Supportmymoto, no numbers but way above 10k supporters and real media support in a pro way.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32363139#post32363139
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A well presented case with good coverage but again, it is for getting an unlocked bootloader which is a steeper uphill battle.
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....Good luck with your dreams....
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Thank you for the warm wishes, and for the details of the other actions, which I did find informative, helpful, and actually encouraging (although I still have modest hopes).

i am impressed the poll has 80 / 100 right now cool !
I wouldn't have had to rip my hair out today trying to install v5.1 onto my Moto-E if they update with my oem (Telus)
It sucks because i just wanted to run the stock rom
I got it installed but no matter what i tried i couldn't get the provider connection back for calls/txt's
What a drag too ..i swear it started up and ran fast than 5.0.2 (what i went back to)
Thank god i made a TWRP backup before meddling with things..
So hell yeah i voted
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It's totally stupid they only updated *some of the oem's with 5.1
that is a massive slap in the face to those of us who missed out on v5.1 Lollipop !

I won't buy Motorola any more

Just a bit of an update. The petition now has 120 signatures which tells me that people must be sharing the link. Thanks to everyone who has signed and circulated it! I don't know what that really means in terms of the ability to exert some commercial pressure on Motorola but it does indicate that there are many people impacted by this, especially when you consider that there are likely large #s of people using the affected devices who don't participate in forums like this.
When I first gathered contact information for the petition, Motorola Customer Service provided an email address for the CEO that turned out to be incorrect. Fortunately I had others and sent a test email to see which would be rejected as invalid before creating the petition. Considering that experience, I've started searching outside the Moto support track for names and contact information for all of the Moto executives and departments that I can find to widen the target.
Thanks again to all who've signed, circulated, and provided constructive input.
[EDIT] Shared by user hyzteric at the Moto "excuse making forum" https://forums.motorola.com/posts/83391de77a?commentId=1000234#1000234 is news that the Mote E is still being sold which is really low.
http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-either-update-moto-e-or-stop-selling-it
I already knew this but had not considered the ramifications. They are still sticking it to new purchasers of those devices. Lower than low!

Semseddin said:
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Soooo, although we differ on the merits of a petition we are in the same boat (betrayed by Moto) even if we may disagree on how to navigate it, and I must thank you for the details of the actions to which you referred. While hunting down email addresses of Moto's executives I also found the addresses from one of those previous actions. Between the ones I found that were not on that list and the ones from that list we now have a wider target for the petition.
Seriously - Thanks!
One thing I hope we have going for us this time is that it was/is not illegal for Motorola to decline to share their source code, but what they did this time might actually be illegal or at least actionable in a commercial sense.