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After fixing a problem that I had with the newest cooked ROMs I bumped into another issue. Now every time I reset my Device my Manila works very slow for 3-4 min. I tried reflashing using MTTY with different ROMs but the problem persists. I looked in my Task Manager and discovered a process that overloads my CPU. Please find screen capture attached. I would appreciate any suggestions.
anomandrus said:
After fixing a problem that I had with the newest cooked ROMs I bumped into another issue. Now every time I reset my Device my Manila works very slow for 3-4 min. I tried reflashing using MTTY with different ROMs but the problem persists. I looked in my Task Manager and discovered a process that overloads my CPU. Please find screen capture attached. I would appreciate any suggestions.
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It seems to me you are refferring to the "System Idle" thread, that you will also find on Windows based PC. This is not actullay using your CPU. The problem is probably that you have a large SD card in your phone, and when you boot it is scanning for music, documents and pictures for the respective tabs. I remember when I had my kitchen stored on my SD card (500k files +) it would take forever to load manilla, now with a couple of GB of music/pictures it only takes a short time to get up and running. Hope that helps.
As a test, start your phone up without the SD card in and see if you notice a diference
B4PJS said:
It seems to me you are refferring to the "System Idle" thread, that you will also find on Windows based PC. This is not actullay using your CPU. The problem is probably that you have a large SD card in your phone, and when you boot it is scanning for music, documents and pictures for the respective tabs. I remember when I had my kitchen stored on my SD card (500k files +) it would take forever to load manilla, now with a couple of GB of music/pictures it only takes a short time to get up and running. Hope that helps.
As a test, start your phone up without the SD card in and see if you notice a diference
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100% correct! Thank you very much for that! I am using 16GB Micro SD and it's full of books, music and program backups. Is thate any way of preventing tha scan to interfere with the Manila..
As far as I know, No. Sorry, it has to do that to work Im still trying to find out how to get my music tab to load quicker :s
What about getting a quicker transfer Micro SD? I noticed that when I plug my phone into my car stereo via USB the playback is breaking.. Maybe my card is too slow..Anyways thanks for the reply! Owe u one!
Too true on the transfer speeds, am contemplating a 16GB class 6, but $90!
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Too true on the transfer speeds, am contemplating a 16GB class 6, but $90!
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In that case the price is not an issue. The important thing is that it works Do u have any problems with yours?
currently only running an 8GB class 2 but seems to be okay, tidied it up the other day and have noticed a bit of an improvement
anomandrus said:
After fixing a problem that I had with the newest cooked ROMs I bumped into another issue. Now every time I reset my Device my Manila works very slow for 3-4 min. I tried reflashing using MTTY with different ROMs but the problem persists. I looked in my Task Manager and discovered a process that overloads my CPU. Please find screen capture attached. I would appreciate any suggestions.
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Hi anomandrus, did you remove the folder \Application Data from SD Card before or immediately after flashing new ROM? If that folder contains email attachments from a previous ROM then it will make Manila move at a snail pace, it also has the ability to create other strange anomalies like lockups and auto resets, just try to remove that folder and softreset then hopefully for you it should be ok again.
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Flashmore
Flashmore said:
Hi anomandrus, did you remove the folder \Application Data from SD Card before or immediately after flashing new ROM? If that folder contains email attachments from a previous ROM then it will make Manila move at a snail pace, it also has the ability to create other strange anomalies like lockups and auto resets, just try to remove that folder and softreset then hopefully for you it should be ok again.
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Flashmore
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Nope.. Never thought of that! I,ve deleted it now and made softreset. Also compressed my icon collection in a *.zip folder. I notice there is an improvement. The Idle process takes shorter time to complete. My Micro SD card is class 2 (sloooow ) so I still have a bit of problems on start up but much better now. I think I'm gonna change it! Thank u very much guys! Your help is much appreciated!
Hi, I just discovered this and would like to share it with the forum. Yesterday my Touch HD was unusually slow, anything from opening the settings page to flip pages in RSS hub was very slow, 2 seconds to transition from one screen to the next.
Soft reset did not help, so I started thinking what changes I did recently. One of the tests was to remove the microSD card, and then all was fast as usual. So I checked and found a folder with 25000 files, created by one of those stupid scripts that generates thousands of 1 KB files. Also, since the cluster size of the card is 32 KB, these files were taking several hundred MB.
So, the bottom line is, do not carry thousands of files on the SD card, it slows down everything.
This is noticeable especially when flashing your PDA without the memory card inserted, it runs super smooth... but untill you start installing various applications and using memory card resources, it does tend to slow down considerably at times
Ok... I have been a member for awhile, reading this and that...
I have been using WM based phones ever since i could remember (minus a small sidekick phase). So, when I found out that WM7 wasnt avail for my HD2... I was quite upset.
I decided to take the plunge and try Android for my SD card. W O W!!!!
Very fast, & functionable. I have stayed away for installing roms and such because of their instability. But this is absolutely beautiful.
Now i haven't updated to the new release that came out this morning, and was wondering if i should because i have been having some small issues.
1. When running WM6.5 since the install, i have had a problem with messages updating on main screen, don't know if it is related or not.
2. This was a fresh install of WM6.5 along with an SD card format. I am not allowed to store any info on card anymore. It's a 16g card, and I don't like to waste space. I no longer have a place for my tunes..... not cool. Not to mention can't store pics, and all the movies I burned via DVDFab.
3. Now I have read that there is a way to 'partition' my SD card, but there are so many ways to do this. I would like to do this with the best way/program so i dont fry my card. Link to the most stable way of doing this would be appreciated.
4. Now as impressed with AmeriCanAndriod as I am.. I have a question about the lockscreen... It is NOT about it's size/fullscreen as i have read on here... But when i walk away and it appearantly locks itself, it goes BLACK. the buttons on the device still light up, but screen will not activate and i have to end up pulling the battery. I have read that this is not advisable since shutting down is where the OS saves it's data to the SD card itself.
Yes, I am as green as it comes to this, but I am not a complete fool. I do try and look up issues pertaining to my problems. I can strip a PC down and rebuild it again in minutes, but phones are new to my tinkering. I love my HD2, and love all the things I have read I can do with it.
I understand that the forced close issue has been rectified in the build released this morning. Can this be confirmed????
Also will I be able to save the data.img and restore my apps and settings i have installed if I want to update to the new release?
Partitioning the SD... Will it cause me to reformat card and have to re-install Andoid on phone?
LASTLY..... Thank You to the AmeriCanAndroid Tean for making a beautiful OS that can easily be installed. Having a dual boot system is perfect for me. All the power and funtionabilty of WM & all the fun of Android. You couldn't ask for more. All the talent in this OS truly shows in this streamless, beautiful, user friendly system.
~Bdwlf2~
First off, this is not the place where to post. You should post in the builds own thread located here. Second i know that black screen happens to me as well but what i do is leave it for about 3 min on standby and its cleared up by then. Make sure to have the latest build from the thread mentioned above. And yes you will be able to keep the same data.img from the previous release unless specified. Partition yes you will format but simply drag and your Android folder to your desktop and once you're done drag it back in simple.
Thank You for the reply. I was going to post in the AmeriCanAndroid thread, but since this is my first post. I had a popup tell me I had to post HERE, instead of that thread until I reach 10 posts.
If a Moderator wishes to move this, I have no problems with that. I wanted to post where it was most relevant in the first place. I just want to be able to reply without the 'newbe' restrictions.
Relieved that I can save my things, by saving the data.img file.
Partitioning, would love a link to the best/safest method.
Blackscreen.. So I just hit a button and leave it for awhile? That's not very practical if I had a buisness call to make, or an emergency. Is there a workaround? Can I shut off the Auto Lock?
What folder do I add music, ringtones, movies and other goodies to? Can WM 7 Android share these same files? (as long as they're not OS specific obviously)
Ah, i see your reasoning, no problem. A good guide on partitioning that i used as well can be found here. And well there inst really a fix to the black screen problem and i haven't searched for one since it only happens on boot of Android. What seems to make it come back faster for me is locking and unlocking the phone quickly. And you can just place a folder and name it anything you want on the root of the SD card. Heck you can put all your mp3,photos,documents on the root of the SD card and Android will still pick them up, it doesn't matter. And when you say "Share" do you mean Bluetooth sending? Then yes, you can.
Nope... SD card will not let me install anything while i was hook to puter. I was running WM at the time, not android. That shouldn't have been a problem. I am about to hook SD card directly to copmuter itself and copy files that way.
I have had all music located on card before this install, nicely organized by artist or genre, along with my movies, pics, etc. But wont allow me to do this now. I am little confused about that, unless android locked SD/root to android application only. Since most programs that lock things usually prompt you for user allowances, which i did not see, i am ruling that out as an option. Phones and computers are very similar as i am finding out.
The blackscreen doesn't occur on Droid boot... It happens when it sleeps, hibernates, or whatever you call it. Can not wake it from this state.
The Data.img.... Do i put that in after i update and run android, or do i put it in the very begining when i copy droid folder to SD card?
Thanx
~Bdwlf2~
Yup, android put a 'write protect' on SD card. Trying some format tools now. Had to put a re-partiton on it to get rid of protection, which made it a Bad Disk. So trying a recovery on it now. I refuse to be beatin by an object smaller than my thumbnail. Arrrgh!
Android does not lock the SD card to application only, that's very odd that you cant copy files to the SD card. Maybe its a setting on your computer that wont allow you? And about the black screen problem, there seems to be no one reporting about that on the thread as far i can see. Are you running SetCPU or a Task Killer by any chance? Those make Android behave very odd. If not i would suggest downloading the latest build again and formatting your SD Card and putting Android on it again. You can also move your stuff your desktop and put it back again. About the Data.img, you don't really need to move it anywhere. When there is a new update to the build, i simply extract the contents of the new build to the Android folder on my SD card and over write. Simplest method I've seen yet.
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Yup, android put a 'write protect' on SD card. Trying some format tools now. Had to put a re-partiton on it to get rid of protection, which made it a Bad Disk. So trying a recovery on it now. I refuse to be beatin by an object smaller than my thumbnail. Arrrgh!
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That seems very odd. I've been using this build since February 24th and it has never locked up like that. But nonetheless you found a fix, good work.
No, not running any of those programs. I have extensively swapped data with this card numerous times.
I checked all setting in android prior to putting into puter. In therory, android should NOT write protect the disk, but something did. I have read this happening to others just in XDA forums alone.
Just got disk back to the "good" state using MiniTool Power Data Recovery... Let's take a peek as to see if it works correctly now.
Hmmmm... I think I should have used, repair damage partiton after recovery... still not working.
***scratches head***
I may need another cup of coffee for this.
How about a simple reformat?
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Nope. Tried that.
Windows formatter - no
SD formatter - no
Mini tool -nada
MyDefrag - not
Test disk - running now... pending
Try to reformat the SD from Windows Mobile?
Yup, first option....
Would go partially thru it, then stop. Worked fine yesterday. This starting to become un-nerving.
I will find a way. There is always a way. Unless something shorts/melts/breaks/ or fry's... there is always a way. Just a matter of correct knowedge and tool combination.
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Yup, first option....
Would go partially thru it, then stop. Worked fine yesterday. This starting to become un-nerving.
I will find a way. There is always a way. Unless something shorts/melts/breaks/ or fry's... there is always a way. Just a matter of correct knowedge and tool combination.
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Alright good luck.
Trying HDD Regenerator v2011
Seems to be doing something, using limited Demo mode. At least it is identifying the bad sectors.
This one is gonna take awhile. If it works, or i find something that does, I will post. I've read other's have had this problem, and I can save the person buying/tossing out cards.... Then the work is worth it.
57min into it and only scanned 11mb????? This may be a month to scan 16g. If my math is correct. That's 1gig (1000mb) / 11per hour = 90.90hrs to complete 1g of scanning, multiplied by 15 (usable gigs) = 1363.6363hrs or 51.81 days? 51 days to complete scan?!?!?!?! Gonna look for another program. Wow.
Good thing I have a small 2g card. Unfortunately it won't hold 1/2 of my music. Argh, and I just put a 2 HD movies on there.
If you want to partition or format your SD you HAVE to be in Windows Mobile.
Also, if you are repartitioning your SD, I recommend you recreate your data.img or else it will have issues.
I tried to format in WM... Fail. All the files reappeared.
I did notice .android_secure file. That wasn't there before.
I have unmounted, seems like it is remounting itself. I even unmounted and yanked battery immediately. No success.
Yes, Android still boots.... Something in there is locking card. If card was bad, Android would obviously not be booting.
I cant add or remove data from that card. I have tried several programs.
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Please Do Not ask if switch on adapted is locked, I have two adapters, both UNLOCKED... For some reason, my "Spidey Senses" are telling me that I am about to be asked that question. Being asked this will only cause me to "sigh" loudly before i bang my head on desk. Which will still leave me with locked card and now a fresh migrane.
I'm tired of new question threads always asking about the same problem, so this is a list of most common problems in Android and how to solve them. I'll add more things as I read more and I also would appreciate your feedback, I'm using SD without MAGLDR and probably will keep on using Android this way so I'd also appreciate any feedback about how to solve problems regarding MAGLDR and NAND, though some of the solutions here might apply to them as well.
hopefully this will get stickied so new Android users will find it fast.
there's a small FAQ at the buttom, which will be improved and expanded in the future.
This thread is tagged with Android Troubleshooting
for easier search
feel free to ask your questions here, I'll try to answer them, and will post only the answers that work here, so I would appreciate it if you say which solution worked for you. Do not post questions, however, that are already included here before you try these solutions.
Before you start, make sure you have the newest Radio, 2.15.50 because it supposedly handles power consumption better, so if you have power problems, try to flash it. look in windows 6.5 section for how to do this. the red number is mandatory, flashing a non .50 radio will not enable you to run android.
also, make sure you format your SD using the SD card formatter 2.0 or 3.0 http://www.sdcard.org/consumers/formatter_3/ choose full(overwrite) with size adjustment ON, or at least fully format it FAT32 using 32KB allocation unit size. Note that some cards don't work this way, but if you have Kingston, SanDisk, A-Data, Transcend or Team you should be fine. if it works with a card other than the ones mentioned please let me know.
My card fails to mount after I ..../ Card error, etc
it's mostly caused by files system errors, some are small so android will disregard them, and some are not, and thus is will ask you to remove the card. Most slow cards give this issue, if you want to know how fast your card is, benchmark it here: here a card with fast random read/write will probably not give these errors, or at least it will get them rarely (personal experience)
Solution #1
here's a fast solution: use any tool to check for file system errors, the native windows tool will do, there's also a similar option in minitool partition wizard and in plenty of other disk tools. in windows, all you have to do is right click the drive icon -> properties -> tools -> error checking and make it automatically repair the errors because it's more convenient.
Solution #2
if you still encounter the problem frequently, backup your data then format the card using the panasonic SD card formatter, or just google for SD formatter, you might stumble upon the official SD association which also offers a similar tool. in options set full(overwrite) with size adjustment ON. I recommend deleting all android cache files before you resore your files to the SD, even the image thumbnail folders.
Solution #3
if your device has these lags from time to time, don't start overwhelming it with extra commands, leave it to rest for a few seconds and then start again, I found this decreased the errors on my device.
Solution #4
try another SD card, preferably from another brand.
My device stuck on [fill in the blanks] after I started android for the first time
I'd recommend first rereading the whole developer's build page and see the FAQ on their page, check if you've missed something somewhere.
Solution #1
make sure you have at least 1.5 GB on the card after you've copied your android folder and make a fresh install again after you check your card for errors.
Solution #2
check if the build you want needs special partitioning, as far as I know, most builds run on unpartitioned SD, but make sure you read the build page thoroughly.
Solution #3
Wait for more time. Depending on the speed of your SD it may take longer to create the Data.img file or to convert needed system files, but normally shouldn't take more than 30 minutes. if it fails, reset and check the Android folder, if it has a data.img file but still smaller than 512/1024 MB (depending in the build) then you should probably wait for a longer period, or just try another build
Solution #4
some build require a config.txt file to be created before they can run, make sure you have the right confing.txt for the build and that you haven't misspelled a thing here or there. I once set the data.img size to 1MB accidentally and gladly I checked that before asking the developer ;p
I have a high battery drain on wakeup/standby
we'll start from easy solutions to more extreme ones.
Solution #1
lower the CPU speed using setCPU, this also sloves the heating up issue -> freezing. I've used my device with normal CPU speed without freezing, but wakup power consumption really decreased with lower CPU speed. however, setCPU caused my standby power consumption to increase four folds, so I removed it. Probably build-related.
Solution #2
make sure you let WinMo settle before running android, that means let sense load fully and wait for a minute or so. also Try to load android with flight mode on.
Solution #3
install a monitoring app so you could see which apps are consuming more power, some beta apps use your processor even in standby, mainly beta apps, uninstall those apps and it might solve your problem. I've found that in my case, setCPU caused a high standby consumption. Also perfect viewer1.4, Circle launcher, and some widgets also cause me high standby drainage. Killing Perfect Viewer solves it, but I had to uninstall the other apps.
Solution #4
Flash a new Radio/ a different Radio. I've used 2.10.50 without a problem on Super RAM Froyo, but 2.15.50 definitely improved things on sense builds. some users repost 2.12.50 to work fine as well. Try different radios and see what works best for you.
Solution #5
Try another build
Solution #6
Try a different SD card. Cards differ in their power needs, so search for one that consumes less power.
FAQ
Q- Which android build is the best/ I want an android build that has….etc.
A- Every and each android build is the best to someone. Developers spend long hours to make their builds better, faster and more stable, each with strengths and weaknesses. So to make it more simple, you have to look at each build page, see if it has what you need, then try it. If it doesn’t work, try another until you find something that suits your needs best. Here’s a page that lists all the builds for you:HTC HD2 Android Roms
each one is worth try, and believe me, asking which one is best will NOT save you time.
Q- which SD card class is better to install android?
A- All! the class means the device can write faster on the card, and probably read faster as well. But it all really depends on how fast can the device access info on the card, it's called Access time or something.. the lower the time the better, so two cards of different classes may have the same access time, so the only difference you'll notice is the speed of file transfer. look it up and you'll see what I mean
Q- My device lags after installaing apps
A- You probably have a senseHD build based on DesireHD. the original device has a similar lag so it's normal to have a lag on that build. Don't stress your device with clicks and just wait for 20 seconds after each app installation then tap open or done.
Q- I have a wakeup lag/lock screen of death
A- It's mostly SD dependent since users report not having a lag with higher classes, though I never had a lag with my SanDisk 2GB C2, and I have a small lag with my A-Data 8GB c4, so it's probably the card access time again. you can try setting the brightness to max, or never stress the device, if you do, it'll freeze and when the screen turns off, you'll never get it on again sometimes.
If you encounter a wakeup lag after a call, it's proximity sensor-related, there's a tool on this site to recalibrate the proximity sensor. I've never needed it though.
Q- Do I have to use task killers?
A- In Froyo, you don't. Froyo handles files differently, in a way that won't affect performance or battery consumption. if an app uses more power, then it's tha app's problem, uninstall it. If you kill it, Froyo will load it a few minutes later if it feels like being used frequently or so. but be my guest and try it for yourself.
I found some of the solutions here by myself, and read the others everywhere on the site. since it's hard for me to name all the people who found those solutions, I would like to thank them all, whoever they are. I could never have done this without the XDA community.
Hi,
I can see you have put in a lot of work into this.
The problem its that people tend not to search first. They just post the same questions(hence your post).
I hope it doesn't just sink down the postings.
Anyway,i've given you a little bump.
Flashed from my fingers to your face
Reserved For MAGLDR problems
reserved for NAND issues
I was trying to fix my friend's evo and so I formatted my sd card to try to boot his, but when I put it back in my phone I realized mine was partitioned to run apps off of it so I had to reinstall apps. I did not re partition it. Not sure why some say they are installed on the sd card and some on the phone, but it is running much faster with no lag. It's no big deal, but I imagine running apps off the sd card really lags. But I did think it needed to be partitioned unless the Kings Shooter Rom can do it without partitioning. Maybe it wasn't partitioned before, but I could have swarn I had 1gb for apps.
Depends on your card class mines a class 6 but reads faster since I use SD booster to add a 2048 cache and my speeds are really high 11.5mbps write and 30.5mbps read so I notice no lag except on boot while my card has to mount and load once it mounts all my apps on the partition load in less than 30 seconds u.can use the app SD tools to find out your cards class and read/write speed
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Depends on your card class mines a class 6 but reads faster since I use SD booster to add a 2048 cache and my speeds are really high 11.5mbps write and 30.5mbps read so I notice no lag except on boot while my card has to mount and load once it mounts all my apps on the partition load in less than 30 seconds u.can use the app SD tools to find out your cards class and read/write speed
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Ok, good to know. I knew there was a difference but I didn't realize how slow my card is. It's the stock 8gb one that came with the phone. It's great now, and I don't have too many apps or I would buy one like yours. I will try the app sd tool. Is it on the market? I'll check now.
Yea its on the market as well as SD-booster it will allow u to boost your card speeds the stock.card is a class 2 which is fairly slow but if u set a 2048 cache with SD-booster you should get about class 6 speeds
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Flash memory also gets slow over time due to garbage collection. It can only be restored to its full speed again by formatting it. I copy everything off to my computer, format it, then copy it all back. Phone doesn't know the difference so nothing gets messed up.
I do the same about once a week or so when I backup my card to the pc I usually do a quick format on pc reparation//format in recovery then reload everything from the pc
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You don't ever NEED to partition. I never did but thats because I don't have a lot if useless apps. Only keep apps that you use atleast weekly
Having trouble with AOSP? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1295702
I didn't reformat my SD card, I was playing around with my dalvik cache. Used a2sd to move it to my cache partition, bad idea (kept running out of space) so I moved it back. After I was done everything seems to run a lot smoother. Guess it helps to wipe everything down every now and then.
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You don't ever NEED to partition. I never did but thats because I don't have a lot if useless apps. Only keep apps that you use atleast weekly
Having trouble with AOSP? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1295702
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I partition cuz I have a ton of stuff I use on my phone mostly games for me and my 5 year old but I also partition cuz I find kkeeping my internal storage high makes my phone run better
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awesome
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Flash memory also gets slow over time due to garbage collection. It can only be restored to its full speed again by formatting it. I copy everything off to my computer, format it, then copy it all back. Phone doesn't know the difference so nothing gets messed up.
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Just to make sure so I don't screw anything up. We're talking about the memory we have when we plug the phone into the pc with the usb cable. That makes total sense since the pc is the same way but there is onboard tools to clean up the hd.
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Just to make sure so I don't screw anything up. We're talking about the memory we have when we plug the phone into the pc with the usb cable. That makes total sense since the pc is the same way but there is onboard tools to clean up the hd.
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or are we talking about the sd card so that is the reason the phone is smoother since I did format it?
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or are we talking about the sd card so that is the reason the phone is smoother since I did format it?
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I'm talking about the SD Card, wasn't that the topic?
I just mounted it as a disk drive.
Warning though - your music playlists WILL BE CLEARED. Back up the playlist first.
(music disappears from the playlist if it is changed in any way, like renaming files, moving them, etc)
There is the ROM, RAM, and SD card, but is there also internal memory that isn't the ROM? The memory that we download apps to internally is like an onboard sd card right? Could this memory be reformatted to improve performance or maybe it's only the sd card that gets all the garbage accumulating?
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There is the ROM, RAM, and SD card, but is there also internal memory that isn't the ROM? The memory that we download apps to internally is like an onboard sd card right? Could this memory be reformatted to improve performance or maybe it's only the sd card that gets all the garbage accumulating?
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That's a good question - it would be susceptible to the same shortfalls of degraded performance over time like all flash memory.
Isn't that one of the things we format from recovery?
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That's a good question - it would be susceptible to the same shortfalls of degraded performance over time like all flash memory.
Isn't that one of the things we format from recovery?
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It probably is. If we were to go into recovery and format it, would we lose our apps stored in our internal memory?
My money would be on "yes".
I asked Mr. Google to check the WWW and this is one of the things I found
"I did it, it doesn't wipe the os. Actually, it deleted only 'user part of the internal sd card' and some applications. I made a factory reset then formatted, so I am not sure about the applications but, sure, it doesn't delete the os. "
there were lots of threads so yeah, the apps would be gone. It's too bad there isn't or maybe there is an app that does the same as defrag in windows to clean things up internally.
Comments I read off the same questions about internal memory:
Android is Linux, not Windows, the system doesn't have a chance to get fragmented because Linux is constantly doing "housekeeping" in the background (Kinda says a lot about Windows, eh?). I wouldn't trust any Windows OS to do anything with a Linux OS, it's just a recipe for disaster.
Don't ever screw with the internal memory. There have been several threads here and elsewhere in which people accidentally formatted the internal instead of the SD card when both drives showed up on the PC. Creates a situation nobody wants to be in.
Defragging is very very bad for flash storage. There is a limit to how many times you can write to each location on the "disk". Since defragging basically rewrites the entire "disk" multiple times, it seriously eats into the life of the "disk".
It also is largely unnecessary since it has much faster seek time than a physical hard disk, and has been pointed out the storage is far less likely to become fragmented on a phone.
Use Titanium Backup...and you lose nothing. Simple format...load favorite ROM..reinstall apps from TB.
jeffrimerman said:
Comments I read off the same questions about internal memory:
Android is Linux, not Windows, the system doesn't have a chance to get fragmented because Linux is constantly doing "housekeeping" in the background (Kinda says a lot about Windows, eh?). I wouldn't trust any Windows OS to do anything with a Linux OS, it's just a recipe for disaster.
Don't ever screw with the internal memory. There have been several threads here and elsewhere in which people accidentally formatted the internal instead of the SD card when both drives showed up on the PC. Creates a situation nobody wants to be in.
Defragging is very very bad for flash storage. There is a limit to how many times you can write to each location on the "disk". Since defragging basically rewrites the entire "disk" multiple times, it seriously eats into the life of the "disk".
It also is largely unnecessary since it has much faster seek time than a physical hard disk, and has been pointed out the storage is far less likely to become fragmented on a phone.
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We aren't talking about fragmentation. We're talking about what some companies call "garbage collection", or TRIM in the context of SSD's. Look that up