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Playing 1080p H.264

As a proud owner of both a HD2 and a GoPro Hero HD helmet cam, I was wondering whether there's a WM video player that can handle 1080p H.264 encoded mp4 files.
I'm not asking for fluid playback, obviously, just a stuttering preview of picture quality while I'm away from a real computer.
Coreplayer has a 1008p limit hardcoded into it, from what I understand, so that's not an option. TCPMP didn't work either when I tried.
Any thoughts?

Forget it straight away. Even a 1.2GHz core 2 duo (which is already easily 10 times more powerful, if any comparison is possible) can't even play 1080p h264 at half speed...
The HD2 can barely play DVD res MPEG2.

1080 on HD2? useless... nonsense
as kilrah said... forget it
but one point is not true u can run 1080p X264 movies smooth on a pc with 1.2Ghz Dual Core.. now comes the point! IF... u have a graficcard that supports VDPAU. so even a loosy GeForce 9400 can do that.
XBMC installing as OS. turn VPDAU on.. e voila. smooth HD movies.
on my mom's AsRock ION330 (Atom CPU) with ION GPU (Equal to GeForce 9400M). 1080p movie with x264 in MKV container run's smooth.
and CPU usage is at 12-40% depends on.
have fun

Have you try the "Remote Desktop Mobile" feature....? Which is not "directly" playing on HD2...

I'm not sure if you fully read my original question:
I don't want smooth playback, I know I can't have that,
but simply a way to view stills out of a large h.264 file.
I don't care if rendering one frame takes several seconds.
Have you try the "Remote Desktop Mobile" feature....? Which is not "directly" playing on HD2...
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Since the video files are on my phone, I don't see how Remote
Desktop Mobile is going to help me. Or did I misunderstand
what you are saying?

Yes we did fully read... But do you really think a developer would spend time making a WM program to open and decode a format that no existing device could play?
It's actually something the WM port of vlc could do, if it hadn't been discontinued in 2006 before it could play h264... It had the same capabilities as on other platforms.
@jisin: Of course if you cheat with hardware acceleration But my example was meant to put things on the same level, as the HD2 has none.

Nobody is talking about a seperate program - at least I wasn't. I would think
any player capable of decoding h.264 should handle 1080p, at least in theory.
For example, I don't understand why CorePlayer has a limit at such an arbitrary
number built into it, otherwise it would probably work just fine for my purposes.
TCPMP is witchcraft, as far as I'm concerned, so I don't readily know why it
won't play HD videos.

AFAIK the profiles used to encode HD h.264 are different from the simple ones used for SD videos, and thus need explicit support. The difference between AVC and AVCHD.
For example in VLC, support for HD h.264 has only come last year, long after SD one. Before that, trying to read one would just give you a couple of crippled frames and crash the player.

Just to clarify, AVC and H.264 are the same, or rather AVC is part of H.264.
AVCHD is an extension of H.264/AVC. That's what you meant, right?
In any case, my videos are AVC and not AVCHD encoded.
I really don't see how decoding a higher definition variant of a video codec can
be any different from standard definition, other than the stress on the hardware
of course.

If not coreplayer, then I think nothing.

bayowar said:
As a proud owner of both a HD2 and a GoPro Hero HD helmet cam, I was wondering whether there's a WM video player that can handle 1080p H.264 encoded mp4 files.
I'm not asking for fluid playback, obviously, just a stuttering preview of picture quality while I'm away from a real computer.
Coreplayer has a 1008p limit hardcoded into it, from what I understand, so that's not an option. TCPMP didn't work either when I tried.
Any thoughts?
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Coreplayer's limit is 1008 horizontal pixels, I think, so it can't even play 720p, let alone anything higher.
I have a 720p video clip on my phone which will play in HTCAlbum or Pocket Media Player. It's jerky as hell and completely unwatchable, but it does play. You might find a 1080p clip would play in it too, I don't know. But it wouldn't give you any kind of meaningful preview.

I dont understand why you would want to try and view the image quality of a 1080p file on a 800 x 480 screen? It's never going to look any better than a similarly encoded 480p file. I would agree that it's handier to not have to re-encode files, but most 1080p files are downloaded as mkv anyway, which means that you would need to reencode into MP4. You may aswell reduce the resolution to 800 x 480 and save loads of memory while your at it.

Ad-james said:
which means that you would need to reencode into MP4. You may aswell reduce the resolution to 800 x 480 and save loads of memory while your at it.
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You didn't get the point. He has a camcorder that doesn't have a screen. He wants to put its memory card in the HD2 and have a glimpse of what he just shot could have been like.
But yes, it would only allow checking framing if it took several seconds to load each frame, not much more...

WMP plays the sound, not the video, HTC Album came up with an error I think.
And yes, kilrah, that's exactly it. Should have mentioned that the camcorder
doesn't have a screen.

Shasarak said:
Coreplayer's limit is 1008 horizontal pixels, I think, so it can't even play 720p, let alone anything higher.
I have a 720p video clip on my phone which will play in HTCAlbum or Pocket Media Player. It's jerky as hell and completely unwatchable, but it does play. You might find a 1080p clip would play in it too, I don't know. But it wouldn't give you any kind of meaningful preview.
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i think the main problem is the lake of drivers in windows mobile 6 series as hd2 processor is mentiond to support 720p videos at 30 frame /sec

kilrah said:
Forget it straight away. Even a 1.2GHz core 2 duo (which is already easily 10 times more powerful, if any comparison is possible) can't even play 1080p h264 at half speed...
The HD2 can barely play DVD res MPEG2.
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i think it depends on the codec and bitrate... i can run 1080p h.264 fine on my 1ghz athlon using coreavc

Is there any codec which make possible to view h.264 stream in windows media player?
I can get stream from my internet aceess box which are very smooth with CorePlayer but I would like to know if there is any codec which make it possible with the native multimedia player!
Thanks

i downloade ttansformers hd (1080p) from youtube and coreplayer played that completely O.K. but i couldn't got it to play almost most .mp4 ones. it plays some .mp4 but doesn't many. also plays raw 640x480 videos from my digital camera not smooth but acceptable.

Camcorder that doesnt have a screen???
720p dont play in hd2 forget about 1080, it cant handle the resolution or the bitrates.

I don't know why Microsoft/HTC didnt done things right.
I have HD2 dual boot with Android.
where WM unable to play 720P but Android on same HD2 play 1080 smooth and crisp with out any frame delay/skip.
I think Microsoft has to optimize there graphics driver to come at par with Android.
Thanks
Pawan

Encoding video for the Epic

How should I encode HD videos for my Epic? I'm starting with 1080p ultra-high bitrate.
Should I encode the video to match the Epic's resolution 800x480, or stick with some even fraction of 1920x1080, like 960x540 and let the Epic scale it to the screen?
What's the maximum bitrate the Epic is able to handle? What's a good codec to use?

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did you ever get an answer to this, I need to find this out too.

Assuming you are wanting to encode from bluray I follow this method. should work with most video files I would think.
http://www.knowyourcell.com/samsung/samsung-epic-4g/epic-4g-guides/526581/how_to_convert_videos_and_transfer_them_to_the_samsung_epic_4g.html
I have made high quality full length movies from both bluray and dvd around 1gb in size. and they play and look great.
Edit: I normally "rip" the movie only files to hd and mount em as an iso rather than from disk.. Not sure if I can name the "sly" software I use to do so as it sits in the grey area between legal and not

I use handbrake and encode to 800x400. The advantage is most films can be reduced to 1 to 2 GB depending on source. Sometimes I crop sides a bit if original is 2.35. I playback on epic with mvideoplayer. For some reason, sometimes mvideoplayer sometimes does not do mkv embedded subtitles well but there is an mkv subtitle extractor android app.

Ok 2 things to note...
1) if you keep your SD card as Fat you gotta break up the video if its too large filesize. I think 4gb is it..
2) Realistically speaking our phones have the processing power to play 1080p but its locked ...so you'll have to re-encode them to less until someone figures it out...I would keep the aspect ratio the same though..so if your dealing with 16:9 1080p..make it 16:9 720p...if you change the aspect ratio it will make the video stretch...

I think you mean Transcode, not encode. Typically most recording devices encode at the source, because storing raw video in HD has a high capacity and performance requirement.
These are the formats I've played with:
DivX, XviD, MPEG4, WMV, MKV
I've liked MKV in general.

And what about Movies?

Hi,
just wanne know wich formats the device play surely?
I know that it will play .mkv with h.264 anf 1080p .....
but and thats a very very big but....
Whats about watching full movies?
The Tab only supports FAT32 and files over 2GB are not supportet, how does this fit together ? Doesnt make any sense to me.
What about you?

Tried a little and as you say, large files can´t be added.
But 720p mkv works flawlessly.

For one thing its 4gb, not 2. And this still leaves you with a lot a hd files to watch. If something doesnt work, try vplayer alpha.

Played everything I threw at it so far. I use vplayer and the video app (the video app can play most filetypes and I use it whenever possible, its quite nice).
I tried mkv, divx, mp4 (h264 / h263), wmv and flv. So you are pretty set with these two apps when it comes to videos. vplayer had sync problems with 720p but the samsung app played it flawless.

shaggles said:
Played everything I threw at it so far. I use vplayer and the video app (the video app can play most filetypes and I use it whenever possible, its quite nice).
I tried mkv, divx, mp4 (h264 / h263), wmv and flv. So you are pretty set with these two apps when it comes to videos. vplayer had sync problems with 720p but the samsung app played it flawless.
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Its not about the player but about the filesystem wich cant handle murch more than 4 gig files

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Its not about the player but about the filesystem wich cant handle murch more than 4 gig files
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The standard user-accessible filesystem pretty much ANY device will be formatted as FAT32 which has a 4GB filesize limit. This is not a limitation of the Tab, but of virtually ALL devices that support external memory.
The expectation of being able to play almost blu-ray quality movies on a 7" screen is a bit unrealistic. It's only 1024x600 so anything beyond 720p is a complete waste of time, as is bitrates much beyond 1000kbps if you're using H.264 compression, as the difference is hardly going to be noticable on such a small display. The average movie encoded to a circa 1GB H.264'd MKV file will likely be virtually indistinguishable from its source when played on the GT, unless you've got visions of playing it back through an HDMI dock.
Besides, why have 4 4GB movies, when you can have 16 1GB movies to watch?
VPlayer will happily play pretty much anything at up to 2000kbps that I've told it to which is higher than I'd usually encode at unless it's for archival purposes. It does have audio sync issues with some high bitrate sources. You could also try Rockplayer.
The standard video player will handle pretty much any MPEG4 derived file that you can throw at it. (Divx, XVid, etc) and has no issue with 720p (1280x720) sources. Beyond that, you'll want to try VPlayer, MPlayer or Rockplayer etc.
Don't expect it to handle high-bitrate 1080p H264 videos very well, it's only a 1Ghz CPU after all and H.264 takes a lot of processing power to decode. You might get away with it if encoding with Xvid, but again, 1080p over 720p is going to be a waste of space on the 1024x600 display. If you want to output to a TV then you might get benefit from it, but it's a bit convoluted. If it's fairly low bitrate and/or a lesser codec than H.264, then you might have better success.

The GPS takes care of hi-def video playback, and while 1080p is pretty useless on the device. If you already have the video in 1080p format, it's pretty nice to be able to play it without converting it. And when the HDMI dock arrives, 1080p playback on tv is useful.

dhanjel said:
The GPS takes care of hi-def video playback
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the what with the what what?

If I got say a 32GB sdcard. Could I format that as ext3 and store files bigger than 4GB on there? Would I be able to easily access the files from the various apps?

Like others have said 720p MKV/MP4 will play fine with H.264/x.264 video tucked inside. To use the allshare app easily, use MP4 files as Windows Media Sharing will see those and stream them out via DLNA.
My reasoning is as follows:
1 - Screen is only 1024x600 so 720p is all you need (1080p content is just overkill here). Even regular old DVD rips look great.
2 - Only has two speakers, repack your MKV into an MP4 with the audio converted to 2ch AAC LC with your H.264 video. This is the same format used for the XBox 360 as well. Basically if you can watch it on your 360 (no hacks) then you can stream it with allshare.
I follow these "rules" and stream everything from my sabnzb homeserver no problem.

[Q] Play HD mkv movies

I'm using rooted official 2.3 rom. when I play mkv 720p movies , video plays at lower frame rate than usual and problem in audio video sync. I use mx player and hardware decoder is not available for mkv. can please anyone suggest me some tips to play 720p smoothly. and is there hardware decoding available in new adreno driver in dzo ics for mkv?

I m using bsplayer lite tha supports mkv.

720p on nearly 480p device?
Professionals can correct me, there are few reasons why it won't play in full speed:
1) .mkv files need usually the same space as .mp4, but it has better quality. BUT needs more power to play. That is the disadvantage of matroska. So if there is too high bitrate on the video, it lags/wents off sync. Overclocking might help.
2) 720p??! Really? This phone CAN record 720p video with good fps, but only in good light conditions. You can even watch them (because they are so low-bitrate), but if you have like 720p movie, it lags due to high bitrate it needs to look clear. BUT why would you want to play 1280x720 (16:9 ) resolution video in 800x480 (16:10) resolution screen? Shapes will look odd... I would prefer 480p (854x480).
3) I'm guessing that your movie is on your memorycard? If your memorycard is too slow, can that be the reason for lagging too. This can be fixed with faster memorycard.
4) Switch to Moboplayer. I don't have any experience of mxplayer, but Moboplayer can use hardware decoding for that.

Video formats

Can we discuss what video formats you use for dvd rips and settings . What works what doesnt. App you use and on what os.
Me personally i make 720p mp4 videos using mpeg streamclip on my mac. I always hear ppl talking about making 1080p mkv files or whatever does the quality even matter on our none hd screens ?? Arnt dvds only 480 or 720p any how. Anyone here rip bluerays .
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DVDs are 480p max. If you encode to higher res, all you're doing is stretching the video for no purpose.
Stretching the res just makes the end product bigger with no quality gain, and your player or device
will stretch the video anyway.
Blurays are 1080p. The scale (e.g. 720p size reduction) and quality you use are dependent on what you
intend to play the videos on. 720p is perfect for the Galaxy Note 10.1 with its 800p screen
Suggested format:
The best video codec: h264
The best audio codec: aac
The best container: mkv (for multiple audio and subs) or mp4 (subs as well as more than two audio streams a bit troublesome)
My preference (h264 video +aac audio) in mkv.
As a rough guide:
A practical DVD rip = ~1.3-1.7 GB (~1500 kbps @480p)
A decent BluRay rip would be ~2.7 GB (~2500 kbps @720p)
A fairly transparent BluRay rip ~5 GB (~4000 kbps @720p)
Free or Commercial:
Depending on how much control you want over quality, as well as ease of use, I'd say go with a commercial solution (WinAVI is quite good).
Otherwise free solutions are quite good (e.g. RipBot264, StaxRip, Handbrake) but you will need to decrypt your purchased discs to your hard drives.

I almost exclusively watch 1080p MKV files on my Note 10.1. At first the audio had trouble staying synced with hardware decoding on every player I tried. Luckily VLC recently fixed that somehow with their Android app. I think MKV is good if you have multiple audio or subtitle tracks. Logically I know I shouldn't see a difference in quality between 720p & 1080p on this tablet, but I do. Think it has something to do with how it's scaled.

thas5 said:
I almost exclusively watch 1080p MKV files on my Note 10.1. At first the audio had trouble staying synced with hardware decoding on every player I tried. Luckily VLC recently fixed that somehow with their Android app. I think MKV is good if you have multiple audio or subtitle tracks. Logically I know I shouldn't see a difference in quality between 720p & 1080p on this tablet, but I do. Think it has something to do with how it's scaled.
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The 1080p could probably show better. Though the difference should be negligible.
If the video has black bars, these may be cropped in encoding. Which means the 1080p video is closer to 900p.
Encoding a cropped video to 720p may actually be closer to 544p (i.e. 1280x544p) to maintain the aspect ratio (so the video doesn't look "tall").
If the audio stream is 5.1 DTS audio, you're gonna probably have stuttering due to processing the larger audio file.
2 Channel (stereo) audio is all you need for the Note 10.1

Thanks guys so making my dvd rips 720p isnt doing anything but making a bigger file eh. Dont think mpeg streamclip has mkv which is why i use mp4 so far with no issues. My settings are h.264 aac 3000kbps bitrate limit and files are around 2 gb...
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Think im gunna look into an external blueray ripper for my mac. Any good programs for mac?
Tried handbrake but it doesnt take dvd rips, ie vob files.
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I usually rip my DVD's and convert them to .avi or mp4 at 480p or lower and purchase fullHD movies and re-encode them to 480p or 720p when i want to load them in my tablet. As long as the audio is good (i tend to favor conversion to stereo for tablet playback), i'm willing to sacrifice a little in image quality since having movies in fullHD can eat up a lot of space pretty quickly.

Thanks im trying some 480p conversion . Saving about 1/2 to 1 gb going down to 480p...
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DJsCrIBbLe said:
Thanks im trying some 480p conversion . Saving about 1/2 to 1 gb going down to 480p...
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The difference of 480p against 720p isn't very noticeable if you watch movies with your tablet at arm's length.

720p is HD, and 1080p is Full HD so we do have an HD display. And I enjoy a good MKV Bluray rip on this device using BS Player.
And watching 480p isnt as bad due to the resolution.

Very nice app to convert videos on the fly...
...is Video Converter Android, an app for the Note 10.1.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...wsMSwxLDEsInJvbWFuMTAubWVkaWEuY29udmVydGVyIl0.
I have many videos in different formats, which sometimes cannot be played on the note 10.1. So I loaded them on my extSD, search in this app for video files, and all are found (3Gp, MPG, everything). Then I just tap on "convert" and the app changes format so that the movie can be played with stock video player.
I do not like to wait hours for video conversion at home til my pc is done with the task. The Note works on even with display switched off, and conversion is really fast.

ensure you rip them as summed to stereo if you are using large bitrates, BS player can deal with 5.1 audio but struggles with higher bitrates as it can only decode 5.1 in software. Stock player can play 5.1 AC3

REWORDED: On this tablet, is there a way to watch a wider-than-16:9 movie so the view size is enlarged/zoomed proportionally to fill the screen vertically? Instead of stretching and distorting a wide-screen movie vertically to fill the screen to get rid of the black bars (top and bottom), is it possible to enlarge the movie proportionally for fill the screen vertically while cropping the sides? That way, the sides are cropped-off, but there's no distortion. Maybe there's other movie viewing apps that can achieve this? I'm referring to only when watching, not encoding. Thanks.

What frame height & frame width do people recommend ?

blud7 said:
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DVDs are 480p max. If you encode to higher res, all you're doing is stretching the video for no purpose.
Stretching the res just makes the end product bigger with no quality gain, and your player or device
will stretch the video anyway.
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To be accurate NTSC DVDs are 480 horizontal lines max. PAL are (up to) 576.
But back to the OPs question, I use makemkv to RIP the DVD and then Freemake to recode to generic Android supported codecs - which also decreases the file size by a factor of 3.
Freemake allows you to set a "up to" resolution so one setting of 720p will do for all DVDs and BluRay/HD-DVDs ...

With this tablet, is there a way to watch a wider-than-16:9 movie so the view size is enlarged/zoomed proportionally to fill the screen vertically? Instead of stretching and distorting a wide-screen movie vertically to fill the screen to get rid of the black bars (top and bottom), is it possible to enlarge the movie proportionally for fill the screen vertically while cropping the sides? That way, the sides are cropped-off, but there's no distortion. Maybe there's other movie viewing apps that can achieve this? I'm referring to only when watching, not encoding.
Anyone? Thanks.