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Camera-based Motion Tracking

Hello everyone!
I'm new on this forum and I've only read TONS of useful information till now...Few days ago I bought an HTC Touch device and immediately I flashed its ROM with a new one found in this *** WONDERFUL *** site
Well, in the past I developed some (stupid) applications for Windows in several languages; then I discover the "pocket-pc" world and began to have to do with it! One night I was reading about a feature of a developement-version of a well known browser and WOOOOOOOW!!!! "You can perform several actions, like scrolling, panning, zooming...only by moving your phone!" The software use image-processing algorithms to recognize your gestures ...only using the built-in camera!!!! No accelometers needed...
Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3pVaEVHpvI
Now, image-processing algorithms are not too difficult to implement...but how can I get access to the built-in camera on my Htc ?!? I tried to search all over the internet, and in this forum too...but I found only few things about HTCCameraAPI and many other programs and their dlls. I cannot believe there's no way to have access to the camera!!!
HELP please!!! this "project" could be very interesting!

One thing is sure - it _can_ be done, and it can work really good, even on weak hardware - look at this:
http://rivia.net/Fishopolis.aspx
I just tried the demo and i was amazed how well it worked on my wizard (especially considering its crappy camera), even in less than perfect lighting conditions (incadescent light). No overclocking required.
Also, from what i've seen WM7 is going to use the camera-based gestures too. So, anyone willing to beat M$ to it and develop a camera-based ftouchflo-like app?

I've looked at the libs, and I've even dabbled in the source, and this is my next project. Like I said, we know it can be done, it's just a matter of doing it. Obviously though, I've got to finish off PocketMelody etc. But it's my next move, once no one beats me to it . And personally, I hope someone does! It's not THAT hard.

Welcome to the forums gregnapola!
This website hepled me choose my very first PPC Phone 18 months ago and helped it become the best little device I own. It just keeps getting better and better with tools such as FTouchFlo, PocketMelody and Picture Flow, and I look forward to this feature onMY HTC Hermes!
Shows how much really can be done with this WM platform, all you need is developers with imagination and talent (and all the other things that go along with it like coffe and donations and and respect on the forums ).
Thanks guys.

maybe we would have some1 develop a program that automatically changes portrait mode into landscape by jus rotating the camera..hey u never kno..this is XDA-DEVELOPERS..

Sounds awesome and would definitly love to see this done. Just a quick question about it. Would it be a big battery drain to have this running all the time?

hebrewhammer said:
Sounds awesome and would definitly love to see this done. Just a quick question about it. Would it be a big battery drain to have this running all the time?
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Considering that you're not rendering anything to the screen, it's at least safe to assume you'll be using A LOT less power than if you were walking around with your camera application on all day .

Thank you for your replies...
I've just installed the demo version of "Rivia Fishopolis" to see how well can it work but it doesn't run it because of an unknow security-error
Now, I found a lot of useful camera-based applications, but they'll come in the future - I'm talking about WM7 gesture-based control, NetFront 3.5 or EyeMobile Games by GestureTek...but all I really need is the way to capture frames by my Elf camera; code samples in any Visual Studio language with HTCCameraAPI, or any other lib...

any update?

I'd also love to substitute my D-Pad for a Camera-based Motion Tracking system
No Dev takes this challenge?

gregnapola said:
Thank you for your replies...
I've just installed the demo version of "Rivia Fishopolis" to see how well can it work but it doesn't run it because of an unknow security-error
Now, I found a lot of useful camera-based applications, but they'll come in the future - I'm talking about WM7 gesture-based control, NetFront 3.5 or EyeMobile Games by GestureTek...but all I really need is the way to capture frames by my Elf camera; code samples in any Visual Studio language with HTCCameraAPI, or any other lib...
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I resolved your error assigning owner information (all). But camera feature seems to not work on my trinity...also the d-pad can't move the cursor...is there anyone with same problem?
thanks

Would it be possible to have it access the front camera too and switch of the LCD when you're talking on the phone? Something like what the iPhone does to save battery.

christiankirana said:
any update?
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The only update is that my elf was stolen about a week ago...and so...I cannot do anything at all!!! So sad....

gregnapola said:
The only update is that my elf was stolen about a week ago...and so...I cannot do anything at all!!! So sad....
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That's really stinks!! I hope you can get another one. Sorry to hear the news.
Chris

Im trying to use Fishopolis on my phone ( an HTC Wizard) but i keep on getting some kind of weird security error.
Any ideas why im getting that error and how to fix it?

doesn't seem to work with the camera on the Hermes...hmmm

Looks like we will have to wait until 2009 for WM7.

wouldn't it consume a lot more battery if camera is always on.
just my thought

I think this is a cool idea and I think I mentioned this somewhere else in this forum, but if this could be done, it would be cool if one could use the camera of there phone, link it via bluetooth and use it as a mouse for a laptop.
Just thinking outloud.

lol, some interesting ideas.
Docnas, refer to post by cf222111:
I resolved your error assigning owner information (all).
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Mariner_heart, refer to post by thundershadow_14:
Considering that you're not rendering anything to the screen, it's at least safe to assume you'll be using A LOT less power than if you were walking around with your camera application on all day .
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What are the main things that annoy you about the X1?

Im making this thread in the hope that we can make a joint list and things can get crossed off-
edit: i will add anything that may be possible to be corrected by software fixes. whilst things like " you have to open the case to get the sd card/soft reset are very valid, there is nothing we can do im afraid!!!
Here are a list of the main things that really annoy me:
1) It takes ages to open up the SMS inbox/missed calls, sometimes a few seconds
2) there is a delay between someone calling you and your phone ringing
3) Videos are very jerky and not smooth unless i convert them and all that stuff which i shouldnt need to. i assume this is because we cant make use of the hardware acceleration?
4) no good games- emulators dont work.
5) Ring tone too weak
6) vibrate too weak
7) when im on the phone and i get someone else on call waiting, the party i am speaking to cant hear what im saying
8) The close / ok button on the top right are way too small.
9) no official flash support for youtube...
10) opera keeps on crashing

8) When using the keyboard, just a small nudge on top of the screen turns it into portrait mode, annoying when sending a text.
9) The close / ok button on the top right are way too small.
10) Have to open the case to remove the SD-card

11) Lack of updates, news, panels, etc. from Sony Ericsson... not a single screenshot, news or anything since release
12) Hidden softreset button

") no good games- emulators dont work."
with wvga fix i have gotten all games i used on my old himalaya to work just fine
with x1 but of cause if you dont cound wvga fix
"10) Have to open the case to remove the SD-card"
yeah thats a problem
"other general responsive and delay issues"
seem to be a general windows mobile issue
at least i had them with all wm devices i had

13) no official flash support for youtube...

I don't think the removal of the back is a 'problem' but surely a fraking INCONVENIENCE.
I agree with all those points so far and could certainly list even more but unless this will become a 'rant post', makes no sense for me to post this. But if one looks at all the posts in here and all those problems that are posted, one will find that there is very much that is wrong with this X1.

michaelthemage said:
I don't think the removal of the back is a 'problem' but surely a fraking INCONVENIENCE.
I agree with all those points so far and could certainly list even more but unless this will become a 'rant post', makes no sense for me to post this. But if one looks at all the posts in here and all those problems that are posted, one will find that there is very much that is wrong with this X1.
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well any that you add, i will add to the first list, so hopefully in time we can get them resolved... hopefully

michaelthemage said:
I don't think the removal of the back is a 'problem' but surely a fraking INCONVENIENCE.
I agree with all those points so far and could certainly list even more but unless this will become a 'rant post', makes no sense for me to post this. But if one looks at all the posts in here and all those problems that are posted, one will find that there is very much that is wrong with this X1.
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Well it sure annoys me!
I find the lack of support and / or updates annoying too
I've gained new found respect for Nokia being used to Nokia Beta Labs.
+ The loud HangUp tone.
I'd like to find the person who came up with that and just smack him in the face!
/rant

mo.ammi said:
Well it sure annoys me!
I find the lack of support and / or updates annoying too
I've gained new found respect for Nokia being used to Nokia Beta Labs.
+ The loud HangUp tone.
I'd like to find the person who came up with that and just smack him in the face!
/rant
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id like to punch in the face the person that decided to have a 3 second delay in answering and hanging up the phone!!! what the hell is the point of that.

nawfalah said:
1) It takes ages to open up the SMS inbox/missed calls, sometimes a few seconds
no problem here. otherweise, dont close the Programs and keep them running in the background. we have plenty of RAM ^^
4) no good games- emulators dont work.
WGA fix solves your problem ... well almost
5) Ring tone too weak
true, but ive experienced higher volume on different ROMs. so there probale is a way to change that
8) The close / ok button on the top right are way too small.
just use the "End Call" or OK button from your phone (lower right hard keys)
9) no official flash support for youtube...
uhm ... havnt tested it to the max yet but Opera plays all youtube videos and IE launches an extra media stream player. so no problem here.
10) opera keeps on crashing
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also no problem here. try a different ROM perhapst?

the amount of complete fools who seem to have bought one just because its the latest SE phone, without bothering to research it.
Then become seemingly incapable of reading the manual and instead ask the same basic questions over and over again.....

fards said:
the amount of complete fools who seem to have bought one just because its the latest SE phone, without bothering to research it.
Then become seemingly incapable of reading the manual and instead ask the same basic questions over and over again.....
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Couldn't agree more. e.g. Someone come to a "developers" forum and complaint no "offical" youtube support

nawfalah said:
id like to punch in the face the person that decided to have a 3 second delay in answering and hanging up the phone!!! what the hell is the point of that.
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Well, at least you can change that with Advanced Configuration Tool.
cheers

mo.ammi said:
Well, at least you can change that with Advanced Configuration Tool.
cheers
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well thats hang up only

jackleung said:
Couldn't agree more. e.g. Someone come to a "developers" forum and complaint no "offical" youtube support
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or where to change the ringtone: arrrrggghhh!

But ""developers" forum and complaint no "offical" youtube support" is actually right,
as well why SE oficially didn't install bloody FlashLite 3.1 on it (as well as HTC's have it).
I mean - it shouldn't be my job to instantly tweak an expensive smartphone, right?
Anyway, one thing annoys me is OperaMobile 9.5 crashing in some situations.

fards said:
or where to change the ringtone: arrrrggghhh!
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You mean other than in settings/sounds and notifications??

Shadowdh said:
You mean other than in settings/sounds and notifications??
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I bet he was joking!

Nobody's perfect, no phone is perfect, but my SEX1 is the BEST OVERALL PHONE AROUND TO DATE
Please beware: MOST of your complaints are related to windows mobile and NOT the phone itself.
KEEP IN MIND: "windows" UI was designed 10 YEARS AGO for slow, low-mem PDAs with 320x240 screens. TEN YEARS later we are still using the same archaic obsolete UI (eg. white, simple background, tiny soft-keyboard, 2-options-on-each-tab menus for setting, no thumb-driven UI...). WM UI is a dinosaur and that's why HTC develped TouchFlo3D as a "mask" for windows´s ugliness and user-unfriendlyness, BUT the widespread windows platform lets many people develop apps, innovations, tweaks etc and that´s what this is all about
If I want to compaint, well, I can allways find something about any phone to complaint about...
Still want my 2 cents??
The lack of a REAL dedicated VOICE-REC button is killing me,
but that's only me, my usage, my world, my way...

Still remember the time when I was counting the day until SE release an "official upgrade" for their firmware for my P900 on their website. What a completely joke!
I'm not sure why you even bothered mentioning Nokia's support for their handsets, if you have a Win Mo device you are having access to the best support in the world.
Have a look around, upgrade your ROM because the stock ROM, be it your operator's or HTC's is crap, then you wouldn't have had the performance issues in the first place.
The X1 is easily the most stable device I ever had, and had owned quite a fair amount of XDAs in the past years, starting with O2 XDA

[Guide] Fully working android guide :)

Hey guys, this post is just my way in saying thanks for all the help all of you guys have given me and for making it possible to have android on my HD2
Basically I have been doing some testing and have come up with a combination of things you can do to give yourself a fully working android build Ofcorse some of the information I had to test with was provided by other members but this combination I think is flawless, well at least it is for me ^^.
To begin you’re going to want to get the right WM rom for your android, and after testing I found the best one to be
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734238
I have not had any problems with it. Just flash it to your device and let’s go from there.
Next your going to want to do something allot of members do not think of doing, and that is formatting the SD card PROPERLY, as this eliminates allot of problems for various reasons. The correct way to do this is, boot yourself into Linux, Ubuntu is the easiest in my eyes, and you can get it on a live CD or USB so it’s easy to get into, just boot into Ubuntu plug in your SDcard and its better if you can insert it via an SDcard slot in an adapter. Then format it as FAT not FAT32, I wont explain why this is better, but it will. Check this out if you really want to know why you need to do it ^^ but you don’t really need to know
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=750780
Next thing is your android build. Now there are ALOT of builds that work well but there is only one that I believe can give you a real working android experience, and the next part of this guide is based on this build so I suggest you use it .
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=740963
Ok, so you have got your build on your card you have booted into it and it’s ready to go, right? Not yet. One of the most annoying things that occur in android under the HD2 is the random freezing and this is how I removed this pesky little annoyance.
1. Unlock your screen and hit the settings key (windows key)
2. Hit settings
3. Hit Cyanogenmod Settings
4. Hit User Interface
5. Scroll down to Accelerometer rotation
6. Make sure ONLY 90 degrees is ticked!
7. Done
Now that setting is how I have managed to eliminate the problem, but don’t worry if you still have this issue, just go back into the Cyanogenmod settings and turn off 90 degrees and then under display turn off Auto-rotate screen, this should eliminate the problems but then your screen wont rotate automatically so its swings and roundabouts really ^^
Top Tips!
DONT use live wallpapers, they WILL kill your battery and drastically decrease the performance of your HD2!
Turn off the GPS as it is on by Default, it drains battery ALOT and isn't necessary most of the time ^^
Get the XDA app because its mega? And you suck if you don’t!
Calibrate the Gsensor, it will reduce the screen freezes (that’s if you even have them, witch you shouldn’t after this guide: P)
Finally, always remember that you should turn off your phone to charge it OR have it booted into WinMo, allot of reasons why you should do this but again just do it
Hope this helped someone somewhere Its my first real post that gave something back to the community and I AM a noob hehe, so any addition to this guide is welcome ^^ Again thanks allot all you guys at XDA that made this possible and I will keep this updated as necessary
Thanks allot. Dane.

xpstyle36 said:
1. Unlock your screen and hit the settings key (windows key)
2. Hit settings
3. Hit Cyanogenmod Settings
4. Hit User Interface
5. Scroll down to Accelerometer rotation
6. Make sure ONLY 90 degrees is ticked!
7. Done
Now that setting is how I have managed to eliminate the problem, but don’t worry if you still have this issue, just go back into the Cyanogenmod settings and turn off 90 degrees and then under display turn off Auto-rotate screen, this should eliminate the problems but then your screen wont rotate automatically so its swings and roundabouts really ^^
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Calibrate the Gsensor, it will reduce the screen freezes (that’s if you even have them, witch you shouldn’t after this guide: P)
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If this works, I'll be eternally grateful.

shadiku said:
If this works, I'll be eternally grateful.
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I hope it works for you but remember if you didn't follow all the other steps I cant guarantee and fix and even if it doesn't work, you can disable all screen rotation as I mentioned and this SHOULD fix your problem ^^ I really do hope it works for ya.
Dane.

Forgot to discuss about RADIOS and HARDSPL.
Common man.

FriedSushi87 said:
Forgot to discuss about RADIOS and HARDSPL.
Common man.
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Well if your looking at this guide, you probably already have HardSPL :l and even if you didn't when you take a look at the ROM pages it explains it there, so I don't think its very productive or helpful to post random crap like that :l And as for the radio, i tested several radios and it didn't make any difference TO ME but if you really want to know the radio i am running its, 2.12.50. Happy now ?
Dane.

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Well if your looking at this guide, you probably already have HardSPL :l and even if you didn't when you take a look at the ROM pages it explains it there, so I don't think its very productive or helpful to post random crap like that :l And as for the radio, i tested several radios and it didn't make any difference TO ME but if you really want to know the radio i am running its, 2.12.50. Happy now ?
Dane.
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I think it's incredibly important to post that here.
Imagine someone sees an HD2 with android or hears about it from a friend, does a quick google search and finds this thread.
They come in here looking for a quick fix for android....
They could end up bricking their device or something....

FriedSushi87 said:
I think it's incredibly important to post that here.
Imagine someone sees an HD2 with android or hears about it from a friend, does a quick google search and finds this thread.
They come in here looking for a quick fix for android....
They could end up bricking their device or something....
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/sigh, what are you trying to do here ? cause problems.if you had never even heard about android on HD2 you take one look at the writing in this post and think WHAT, it says things like Flash it to your device and lets go. you wouldnt know how to flash or even what it meant, so you couldn't even brick your device as you would not know how :l Please stop filling up this thread that i made to HELP people not argue with some guy who keeps coming up with random crap that is not going to happen, and i am not being unreasonable by saying that and i am sure many other members will agree im not in the wrong.
Dane.

Unfortunately still having the screen freezes, even after toying with CyanogenMod settings.
Back to the waiting game then.

shadiku said:
Unfortunately still having the screen freezes, even after toying with CyanogenMod settings.
Back to the waiting game then.
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Did you turn off all the screen rotation under cm settings and normal settings and did you calibrate the Gsensor these things can also resolve the problem, you can also disable the Gsensor in WinMO and this will cure your problem but thats not reccomended ^^ Give those suggestions a try, again hope it works for you.
Dane.

Are we allowed to start a poll asking people which mainstream rom they're using just so we know what is the most common and popular rom is,? Or is it a taboo?

xpstyle36 said:
Did you turn off all the screen rotation under cm settings and normal settings and did you calibrate the Gsensor these things can also resolve the problem, you can also disable the Gsensor in WinMO and this will cure your problem but thats not reccomended ^^ Give those suggestions a try, again hope it works for you.
Dane.
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I turned all the screen rotation off. Since I'm using ChuckyDroidROM, the gsensor calibration is removed.
In android, it worked for a while but tilting it continually in Gallery3D caused a freeze.
I wish I could disable the theming on shubCRAFT, it's the only thing that puts me off using it.

I think that if you look at this thread you will see
xpstyle36 said:
Next your going to want to do something allot of members do not think of doing, and that is formatting the SD card PROPERLY, as this eliminates allot of problems for various reasons. The correct way to do this is, boot yourself into Linux, Ubuntu is the easiest in my eyes, and you can get it on a live CD or USB so it’s easy to get into, just boot into Ubuntu plug in your SDcard and its better if you can insert it via an SDcard slot in an adapter. Then format it as FAT not FAT32, I wont explain why this is better, but it will. Check this out if you really want to know why you need to do it ^^ but you don’t really need to know
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that this method is a lot of trouble for no additional benefit over a simple format using WinMo in the phone. If you would "explain why" it would be interesting because no one else can. A full WinMo format, not quick, overwrites the complete data space on an SD card with new redundant data. It also only reserves and writes one FAT where Windows on the PC reserves and writes two. You can't get something from nothing and WinMo non-quick format leaves nothing in the data space. (And yes I do understand full mil spec data destruction and redundent and random erase so everything is destroyed.)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=760996&page=5

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that this method is a lot of trouble for no additional benefit over a simple format using WinMo in the phone. If you would "explain why" it would be interesting because no one else can. A full WinMo format, not quick, overwrites the complete data space on an SD card with new redundant data. It also only reserves and writes one FAT where Windows on the PC reserves and writes two. You can't get something from nothing and WinMo non-quick format leaves nothing in the data space. (And yes I do understand full mil spec data destruction and redundent and random erase so everything is destroyed.)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=760996&page=5
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Well i may be wrong but as far as i was aware, when you put a linux android build on your SDcard it creates a partition or something like that on the card, (i will look it up and get back to you) and windows cannot see it, wheras linux can see it and therefore it can wipe it, and these left over bits that windows cant see dont always get on when you get a new build Thanks for pointing it out though, just wanna help as many as possible ^^
Thanks
Dane.

shadiku said:
I turned all the screen rotation off. Since I'm using ChuckyDroidROM, the gsensor calibration is removed.
In android, it worked for a while but tilting it continually in Gallery3D caused a freeze.
I wish I could disable the theming on shubCRAFT, it's the only thing that puts me off using it.
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To be honest i think that if you got yourself a Shubcraft build and then followed the guide then you would end up with a pretty stable build, with no freezing, but if you dont like the theme, then i guess that there is nothing i can do, but hope that a sense version of it is relesed so that you can get yourself a nice stable build ;D
Thanks again.
Dane.

shubcraft themes and "stock"
If you dont like the shubcraft theme you can use this ..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=760641
there is even a shub version 1.4c with "stock" Froyo theme here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=760641&page=3
thanks to all dev's & builders

ugghuggh said:
If you dont like the shubcraft theme you can use this ..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=760641
there is even a shub version 1.4c with "stock" Froyo theme here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=760641&page=3
thanks to all dev's & builders
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Ah ! Thanks alot ^^ Hey ! now you can download that one, follow the instructions and hopefully get a working build D:
Thanks again
Dane.

FriedSushi87 said:
Forgot to discuss about RADIOS and HARDSPL.
Common man.
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FriedSushi87 said:
I think it's incredibly important to post that here.
Imagine someone sees an HD2 with android or hears about it from a friend, does a quick google search and finds this thread.
They come in here looking for a quick fix for android....
They could end up bricking their device or something....
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@friedsushi definitely agree with you it isn't clarified correctly about different radios affecting the android or that hspl is necessary for it to work. I am constantly getting people pming me to ask for a walkthrough, which on most occasions I have been able to get this working even though my wordage is more simplified in layman's terms-his looks like its been copy/pasted from all over these pages which in effect isn't a bad thing but to call it a guide and not including vital information is a bit haphazard IMO.
& to the op I am not flaming you but there are already guides out there & don't particularly need another unfinished version to add to the numerous threads which have only just been cleaned up by the mods, plus with only 11 posts 8 of which are on here I honestly don't see much experience to be able to give people guides

11calcal said:
@friedsushi definitely agree with you it isn't clarified correctly about different radios affecting the android or that hspl is necessary for it to work. I am constantly getting people pming me to ask for a walkthrough, which on most occasions I have been able to get this working even though my wordage is more simplified in layman's terms-his looks like its been copy/pasted from all over these pages which in effect isn't a bad thing but to call it a guide and not including vital information is a bit haphazard IMO.
& to the op I am not flaming you but there are already guides out there & don't particularly need another unfinished version to add to the numerous threads which have only just been cleaned up by the mods.
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I dont get it ? not one word of this was copied and pasted from someone else, and this is just the process i went through to get it to work perfectly, i didnt include the parts about the HardSPL and the radio because, i tryed a few different radios and it made no difference to me AND you wouldn't be able to flash or follow these instructions if you didnt know what hard SPL was. Again i am not flaming but i was just providing a set of instructions that i did, to get it working. So its not a unfinished guide, just because it didnt include some realy basic information. Sorry if i did not make this 100% noob friendly, was just trying to get a few more phones running stable ^^
Dane.

No one discussed any where about the below scenarios.
If booting to android, Phone reboots.
If already in booted and trying to make a call or check email again booted.Always getting booten in android randomly after trying various builds.
Anyone has answer for thatt?
Thanks

[Q] What do I miss if I install Android on Blackstone?

Dear friends,
Please let me know the cons and pros of Android on Blackstone (Touch HD).
- Camera
- Game
- Appz
- Smoothness
- Speed
- Bluetooth
- Wifi
...

it depends on build but you should try out the new FRX07 it has most (if not all) of the things working very well,i personally am using GBX0A which is alpha version but the way i compiled it somehow gave it enormous stability and reliability....you should try for yourself and see if it fits you...

One other larger setback with Android would be battery standby. It's quite poor, I think, at the moment. Efforts are being made for increasing standby but I don't think our Blac is targeted for that.

farukb said:
it depends on build but you should try out the new FRX07 it has most (if not all) of the things working very well,i personally am using GBX0A which is alpha version but the way i compiled it somehow gave it enormous stability and reliability....you should try for yourself and see if it fits you...
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Can you describe what you mean by "the way I compiled it"?
There is much newer code in the GB tree than what is in the release for GBX0A, so if you built the system image yourself, that might explain it .

- Camera - Works on Blackstone. Current Kernels have support for camera.
- Game - We have okay resolution so games with WVGA are not problems for us but problem is that resolution is quite high for Adreno 130.. So quite lacking of performance
- Appz - They are very good.
- Smoothness - With Jit + My kernel its working good (Neocore 29.8 Due to 30 FPS cap.. but you cant except that every app will work smoothly..
- Speed Its okay even from Sd card.. But i told you my reason..
- Bluetooth Pairing/sending is working. But A2DP is not working
- Wifi Seems to work fine.. Sometimes lower speed but its okay..

arrrghhh said:
Can you describe what you mean by "the way I compiled it"?
There is much newer code in the GB tree than what is in the release for GBX0A, so if you built the system image yourself, that might explain it .
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it's the particular kernel and rootfs i used...i really have a daytime long battery and rock solid build...just don't remember which ones...maybe i could provide the img so you can check it

farukb said:
it's the particular kernel and rootfs i used...i really have a daytime long battery and rock solid build...just don't remember which ones...maybe i could provide the img so you can check it
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Well the kernel is easy to figure out - in Android, Settings -> About -> kernel version. If in WinMo, just look at the name of the modules file...
rootfs is a little harder. Date/timestamp can help, assuming you extracted it directly to your card. Otherwise... I guess md5, but you really think there's a particular kernel&rootfs that are just completely bulletproof? Sounds like snake oil to me .

For me the biggest problems for daily use are:
- Bluetooth: Calls and A2DP are not working. I have long hours on the car...
- Call speaker: it's not working.
- Music stuttering: improved on the FRX07, but not solved (there is a patch on an old kernel but it has not been updated).
- Random freezes and SODs.
I also miss some WM6.5 apps and some Manila 2.5 features
The pros list is long, so better to run from SD and have the best of both worlds. it is a pitty that we can't run both at the same time...

It's a pity that we can run both at the same time...?
I'm all for NAND, but until Android is stable, I think it's great that we can run both at the same time. That way if there's something you just have to have that WinMo provides, you can just boot back to it...

arrrghhh said:
Well the kernel is easy to figure out - in Android, Settings -> About -> kernel version. If in WinMo, just look at the name of the modules file...
rootfs is a little harder. Date/timestamp can help, assuming you extracted it directly to your card. Otherwise... I guess md5, but you really think there's a particular kernel&rootfs that are just completely bulletproof? Sounds like snake oil to me .
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i know how to check the current kernel but the thing is that old one did something when i first ran haret with it...although i'm not sure if rootfs leaves any trace of previous commits,so it may have nothing to do with rootfs

Thank you dear friends.
I will try FRX07.

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mrbennett said:
Neopeek.com and tiad8.com for a friendly forum with no sarcastic childish comments from aaaarrgh(troll)
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Uh... what? I only see childish comments from you my friend.
Don't tell people to go to another site, that's childish. If you have a problem with me, then ignore me.

Some apps but not many.
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I have a question. I installes FRX07 on my blackstone and everything seems to work oké, but the sound. I don't seem to be able to get any sound out of the device, no ringtone (with incoming calls), no sounds with music, no sounds with video etc. Does anyone have any idea?
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Oasis2000

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I have a question. I installes FRX07 on my blackstone and everything seems to work oké, but the sound. I don't seem to be able to get any sound out of the device, no ringtone (with incoming calls), no sounds with music, no sounds with video etc. Does anyone have any idea?
Regards,
Oasis2000
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Hrm, I have heard of this issue before. Unfortunately I don't remember a specific resolution.
I would try to reboot, see if that changes anything. Also, check the volume - make sure it's turned up (there's several different volume controls, check Settings -> Sound).
Assuming those simple things don't solve it, you might want to try the 'grabbing at straws' method. First, I would simply delete the data.img and let it create a new one on boot. Let the phone sit after you see the lock screen for a few minutes. Then try to use it, try to preview a ringtone. Still failing? Format the SD card with the HP Tool (full format, FAT32) and I would start over completely with the directions in FRX07.1 thread.
If it's still failing, try another SD card. Rinse & repeat. Still failing!?!? Well, I'll probably have to send some logs to the developers, because I don't know what else could be done to triage. Something else must be awry. Pull system and kernel logs with the app GetLogs - in AndroidApps\Other.

Not much...
Hey man,
You won't really miss much (if anything) switching to android.
- Camera = ok but better in winmo
- Game = some work perfectly, some are laggy and others plain old just won't work
- Appz = ditto above
- Smoothness = depends on how much you want to fidddle with different configurations
- Speed = ditto above but also varys from build to build
- Bluetooth = haven't tested..
- Wifi = works well
Running Android off the sdcard isn't really isnt all that bad apart from the fact that sometimes though it can be a bit fiddly getting everything to work together for a smooth experience builds, kernels, gapps, resizing partititions.... ect but once thats all over i think it beats winmo
and plus if your a fiddly guy (i dont know why you would be here if you wernt ) then you will enjoy working it all out

Worst problems of any SD Build FOR ME

I have problem with few things that i am coping hard to settle.
1: If a build doesn't have any % battery sign how do i add it? without cooking it into the build, rather some way like adding few files to root or system folder or any simple method and job done?
2: Some SD builds are giving heavy lag which is hard to cope up with at times specially whilst trying to use it on the go in hurry... i have been using few new builds same issue but had dropped them to very old build... Now problem with old one is i cant' find a way to add Arabic input or letters are broken... if Arabic is added through applications then it just write like abc not attached as Arabic should be written, so is there any solution to fix this?
3: I hate the cyanogen dial phone interface you have to click or say tap few times to get simple things done rather than the FROYO ones just type a digit either a name is displayed in list to help you get ones you searching for instantly! and so easy to handle as rather than just going through tabs etc... NOW is there a way to change Cyanogen builds Phone interface to froyo?
Please give me link here i have been searching a lot to handle these problems things i am in trouble with but can't fix thought i'd ask here for some help...
Awaits for some good replies and thank you all for your time in advance.
Cheers

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I have problem with few things that i am coping hard to settle.
1: If a build doesn't have any % battery sign how do i add it? without cooking it into the build, rather some way like adding few files to root or system folder or any simple method and job done?
2: Some SD builds are giving heavy lag which is hard to cope up with at times specially whilst trying to use it on the go in hurry... i have been using few new builds same issue but had dropped them to very old build... Now problem with old one is i cant' find a way to add Arabic input or letters are broken... if Arabic is added through applications then it just write like abc not attached as Arabic should be written, so is there any solution to fix this?
3: I hate the cyanogen dial phone interface you have to click or say tap few times to get simple things done rather than the FROYO ones just type a digit either a name is displayed in list to help you get ones you searching for instantly! and so easy to handle as rather than just going through tabs etc... NOW is there a way to change Cyanogen builds Phone interface to froyo?
Please give me link here i have been searching a lot to handle these problems things i am in trouble with but can't fix thought i'd ask here for some help...
Awaits for some good replies and thank you all for your time in advance.
Cheers
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first of all i would say that sd builds are very slow compared to nand builds obviously because or read/write speeds !
try getting the latest cyanogenmod sd build (eg American Android) !!
also u can try custom dialers available in the market if you dont like the default one !!
btw may i ask why do u use sd builds ??
have u dualbooted ur hd2 ??

Hmm.. that didn't answer my problem which i really want someone to answer it.
as for ur question i use WM and SD build both and i test or say use wm 6.5 builds a lot!

The froyo dialer doesn't pull up contacts when you type the name, that's a feature of sense roms.
Try the go dialer, that does contact lookup.