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devloper and hacker app of the year.. chat style sms... from the treo 750v

This app will be for all wm devices.
This is an ongoing project that is in need of some of you guys expertise. The rom of the treo 750v has been dumped and is in need of hacker and developers. The treo 750v has features that NO OTHER wm device does. Like the threaded sms messaging, which is sms in a chat style form.
http://www.palm.com/sg/products/smar...messaging.html is a little more about how it works and what it does.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279758 is a thread in the xda-treo forum, but I feel need to be here due to the fact that it will be for all wm devices and is in need of developers and hackers.
Attached is the rom dump.
Thanks, Cody

in many countries you pay pr. sms much more then you'd pay to send text over grps so for most ppl msn, skype or other IM clients would do the same thing only much cheaper

I am really not sure what the hype is about. Haven't used SMS in a long time a with 100MB data package, I have to agree with Rudegar even the built in MSN messenger is better.
Any way I thought you should know that what you posted is not a ROM dump and cannot be used to extract the app.

Interesting you say that. If you have kids sms messaging is almost a requirement. It is extremely popular with the younger generation. I find myself using it more and more. I have friends that send over 3k sms messages in a month. A threaded sms app sure makes it a much better experience.
The rom dump thread was moved by someone over to the treo section for those wondering where it went. The dump is on the ftp server.
ftp.xda-developers.com
userid: xdaupload pw: xda
file: treo750vrompartial_bcaslis.zip (dump of Part00, Part01 and Part02 partitions)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279758

I played with the rom dump yesterday. The messaging app does load, just seems to be missing some resources and/or registry entries that I'm not prepared to import right now (test machines all being used already).
It also appears to be fixed at 240x240, although that can probably be fixed later.
The rest of the rom - doesn't contain many intersting .exes, but I know hannip is interested in a number of the other devices and drivers installed. They don't appear to be device specific (c.f. many eten files are).
In the UK, data contracts are very expensive, and you get loads of SMS bundled in your contracts, so SMS makes sense. I don't IM from my phones. But both have their uses.
But I still can't see the fascination with threaded SMS. It'd be quite straight forward to program even if the treo app can't be sucked out.
V
PS Whoever dumped the roms to begin with, many thanks!
However, we may need to get an overview of the databases on the device as well, in case there are any custom databases. The speed dial plugin that has thus far been elusive relies on a call db. Either a device backup (using sprite etc) or a database dump would be useful to check. Just a guess, might lead to nothing.

Thanks vijay for all of your assistance! Good to hear that the sms app loads. I've been trying to get the a2dp dll's to work on my treo 700wx and 700w devices just to get my feet wet. Having some issues getting the dll's to load, but with your help I might figure this out yet.
The excitement for the 750 sms app over the other threaded sms apps out there is the clean integration with the os and today screen. I've tried other sms threader apps and they are buggy, don't grab messages when the pda is suspended, and leave copies of sms messages in poutlook. The one from triangle powers is a .net app and loads extremely slow because of it. It is expected that the palm written app will solve all of these problems. Plus it handles mms pictues, audio etc.

i dont say i dont use sms i just say i use sms as sms's as in short message service msg's
not as chat because i dont see the point of using it as chat
of cause if you dont pay pr. each sms
and want to chat with somebody who dont have msn it's usefull i guess
but another issue is the delay if that person is on a different network then you heard that compeating phone companys are not always too snappy to route to eachother

Rudegar said:
i dont say i dont use sms i just say i use sms as sms's as in short message service msg's
not as chat because i dont see the point of using it as chat
of cause if you dont pay pr. each sms
and want to chat with somebody who dont have msn it's usefull i guess
but another issue is the delay if that person is on a different network then you heard that compeating phone companys are not always too snappy to route to eachother
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Well, I'm someone who wants the SMS chat program badly.
Understand, it's not so much that you use like an IM program, you don't.
This is just a method by which to organize your SMS conversations e.g. say you and your friend over the day send back and forth to each other 20 messages, all releated to the same thing. Now throw in 15 more random SMS from other peopel in the same day. Your inbox would be a mismash of 20 something messages (assuming you don't delete every single one, maybe there is important info you need).
This program would "group" your SMS into a single "chat style thread", like and IM history would. You can then just delete the entire thread at once when you are done with it. It's also nice to keep that previous information handy, especially if your discussing plans, information, phone numbers etc. You just scroll up to find it again.
If you're a heavy texter, this is a great way to organize your back-and-forth conversations. It's not an IM replacment, so don't think of it as that.

In my case I use it as a compliment to AIM. I have AIM forwarding all of my IM's to my cell phone when I am away. That way my friends and family can msgs me anytime anywhere. My phone/pda can remain in suspend mode conserving the battery and I still get my IM's. I can reply to them just like an IM session. No need for the AIM client on my phone.
The best thing about using sms over an IM client is that you can communicate with anyone that has a cell phone. You don't have to tell someone to register with an IM server to send them messages. It works in suspend mode. With a nice sms chat app the only advantage an IM client has over it is the messages are more instantaneous. But for phone use that is acceptable imo.
Of course this all assumes you don't have to pay on a per sms basis.

Hi! theloanranger said he extracted the 750v threaded app already. It's at:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1035112&posted=1#post1035112
Can somebody try it and post the screenshots please? I'm so looking forward to using it with my Pocket Loox T830 (not arrived yet)

Screenshots/Need some help!
Screenshots are found here:
http://discussion.treocentral.com/showpost.php?p=1106882&postcount=15
NOTE: Some of us are having issues. We CANNOT send an SMS to an email address. We get an error message:
"Could not send message. The message center number or the email center number is invalid. Please contact the wireless operator."
Now, in the SMS app, if you go to Menu --> Options --> Advanced tab
Network Configuration/Manual/Edit...
You'll see spots for "message center number" and "email center number" and both are blank. When you put in a number (such as found here: http://www.smsfre.com/SMS-Mesaging-Centers.htm ) they do not stick after hitting "OK".
Any help/ideas?

Need new app to send text messages to groups!

I've been using RJV SMS Scheduler for a couple of months on my Alltel PPC-6800, and I really really love this app. I run a youth group and it has quickly become one of my favorite ways to communicate with around 60 people. I am able to send "mass texts" all at once to all 60 members of my youth group, and I can even schedule these group texts to automatically send on certain days/times.
The problem is that it has completely crashed twice on me. The first time, a re-install fixed the problem, although I had to re-setup my groups, and I lost all of my history. The second time a re-install did not work. It continues to crash and I am now unable to use it at all.
So...here's my question...does anyone know of any other app that does the same thing? This one was freeware, but I'm certainly open to paying for an app that does the same thing if I know it will work.
Thanks so much in advance for the advice!

How to transfer SMS

Hi,
I have a T650i and I would like to transfer my SMS from that phone to my Xperia X1.
I've seen many threads explaining how to transfer contacts from older SE-phones, but nothing about SMS. Can it be done? I used to do use MyPhoneExplorer, but since it doesn't support WM, it's not an option anymore.
Thanks

save them to your SIM if possible!?
i remmeber older phones saving SMS on the simcard only. not sure if a winmo phone can use these

Thanks, but the problem is that I have around 900 SMS and the sim only accepts 30.
Is there any other way to do it through the PC?

900sms? i bet 5$ that u dont even need half of them oO
u should to an T650i forum and ask there. once u manage to squeeze te SMS into outlook somehow, u can probably just sync them

achmed20 said:
900sms? i bet 5$ that u dont even need half of them oO
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I write approx. 900 SMS each month and the same amount I get back. But therefore I have hardly any calls. Good for me that I've got a SMS-flatrate
According the problem:
In which file format does myphoneexplorer save the transferred SMS? It has to be possible to convert these to a usable format. Maybe it would be enough to have all the SMS as a text-file on your X1 so you can read through if needed?
I have problems with the X1 everytime I have that much SMS stored (messaging software does not open, it does not respond to key presses and so on)

MyPhoneExplorer saves the SMS archive in many formats: txt, csv, xml, html, right click and export.
I used MyPhoneExplorer to backup sms's on my K800i, i have every single sms i ever received in the K800's lifetime (2 years).
And while in this subject, i'll ask the following question:
Is there in WinMo a way to backup sms like i already do with with K800 and MyPhoneExplorer? a way to backup the sms's and save them to the computer in some readable format?

Since MyPhoneExplorer saves the SMS archive in txt, csv, xml, html, is there any way of transfering them (as sms, NOT as a text file) to the same sms inbox on the X1?

Try SMSimport. It's a freeware that imports and exports in XML. It's a simple exe that you run directly on the phone.
http://wince.nasenbaeren.net/smsimport/
You may have to edit the names of the folders in the XML to make it compatible with your X1.
You can just make an export file from it first to see the XML import structure.

Hi. I'm new to this community and I'm very impressed. Congrats
I've tried once to import SMS via SMSImport, but it always said 'Invalid XML' or sth. like that although I rearranged the order in the XML as SMSImport seemed to want it.
Has anybody solved this issue?
THX

I use OEExport. It exports to Outlook Express with the folders intact (Inbox, Deleted, Sent etc). It has an option to export to xml too, IIRC.

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My question, is why on earth would anyone need to keep all those SMS?
I mean, unless your girlfriend doesn't tell you she loves you enough and you need to keep the texts, or if youre keeping them for evidence (for some reason) or maybe if you have a friend like I do who gets sent joke SMSs and decides to forward 700 of them to you when he's on flatrate weekend SMS just to piss you off because your phone becomes unusable for pretty much the entire weekend.
Please enlighten me.

Would it help if I tell you that some people like to keep records of all their SMS in/out.
I had a girlfriend a few years ago that wrote down every single SMS in a notebook. No, I'm not kidding. She wasn't that much into computers obviously.

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maedox said:
Would it help if I tell you that some people like to keep records of all their SMS in/out.
I had a girlfriend a few years ago that wrote down every single SMS in a notebook. No, I'm not kidding. She wasn't that much into computers obviously.
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Nope, it seems it's still beyond all comprehension of mine. Do you guys also record all voice conversations you make?
I mean, keeping your text messages is hardly like keeping a box of love letters or something now is it?
I'm as much as cyborg as the next guy, I am so electronically inclined that the gadgets I carry and use will probably fuse to me one day anyway, BUT i just don't find anything anyone has to say to me by text _that_ interesting or _that_ important
I'm not taking a swing at you guys or anything, I just really would like to understand, I'm a happier person when i understand things.
Like, ok, I keep the odd text message about things people have said to me, because theyre just downright fantastic for my street cred (if you know what I mean) but that's simply because some of it is just so good, nobody would believe me if i just told them myself, even if i quoted it word for word.

I'm with you. I usually don't need to think twice about throwing away messages when doing a hard reset. Although, as you say, there are some that need to be kept safe forever.
But this is not what the topic's about.

O.k. guys, I'm convinced now. I won't spend any minute anymore in thinking about how to transfer my SMS back. 99% of all that stuff I would rather likely never need again in the future and if I really need it, it is still on my PC.
Nevertheless - thank you!
Greetz

Why backup sms ?
Some of my SMS contain info I need, I am just too lazy to save it when I get it - like an address, or rocket launch code just plain I like to have my SMS conversations available to refresh my memory in case I need it.
From time to time I want to do upgrade or other destructive thing and I don't want to loose my messages. I would like to keep a copy of all my SMS in outlook 2007 but my cheapskate uprising and empty wallet steer me out of paid software, I am going to try programs mentioned in previous posts but if someone knows about some great synchronization or transfer or WhateverYouCallIt software please keep us informed about it.
Thank you all for great site.

i think MOBILedit works for you.
google it for the main website.
hope it helped

In call reminders

I'm looking for an app or maybe there's an option I don't know about in Android that could display reminder notes upon calling and receiving a call screens for a specific contact. for example if one of your contacts have a Bday today so it could be shown instead Facebook status, or if dad calls I have a note to ask for money I think it would be useful for allot of businessman and the common short memory users.

I'm sorry I'm bumping this, but there got to be something similar to what I asked, if you looked and found none please say so.

New App idea...

Just wondering if some type of text spam utility would be something people would like.
Runs in background, will only accept SMS messages if sender is in the users contacts list or maybe sends it to a "Spam" folder for later review.
Good? Bad? Even possible? LOL
I've heard a few people saying they're tired of getting junk texts.
tia,
Roots

I beleive there may be apps in the market that have similar features as the ones you describe, but its been a while since Ive viewed them.

Yes, you are right, I should check-out the market for similar apps.
I see "willard" in your location...is that Willard, OH? I'm in Akron, OH

I could easily make one using some code from a current app of mine if you're still interested

Captainkrtek said:
I could easily make one using some code from a current app of mine if you're still interested
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LOL. I'm designing apps for sale. So, you can still send your code and I'll cut you for, say, 10%, ok? ROFL LMAO
Oh well, on to the next best idea
Roots

Would be best implemented by segregating the messages, not simply deleting them.
Some messages received from sources not in my contact list are very much not SPAM. Things like bill reminders from provider, download links from GameLoft, new contacts who I ask to just text me their name, etc.

Yes, I still might give this a shot. And maybe not a folder, but toss the messages into a database that could be searchable by date, time etc.
Trying to see this..hmmm...hit "Text Spammer" app. Screen shows "Search by date", "Search by Date/Time", "Show All". Then from there, "Add to Contacts", "Delete", "Main Menu". yeah, that works.
It's hard for me to see, because I'm not a big "texter", but I know some people live and die by their text messages.
Hell, I'm an unemployed programmer, what do I have to lose but some more brain cells and some time! LOL
If anything, I'll learn something new and that's always a good thing.
Going to flowchart this one a bit first to iron-out the design....oh joy

I don't know if this is even possible, but maybe the app could look for key words in the message and determine if they're likely spam or not. I get a lot of spam texts that all look the same and have the some of the same words in them.
Just an idea!

I shall take that into consideration. I'm not even sure I can intercept the message yet.
My schedule has been like Mr. Anderson's (Neo) the past couple of days and I'm just waking up at 10 pm after sleeping like 15 hours. LOL
Guess it's time to start researching and coding.

Well, I'm neck-deep into the process now. This stuff can get confusing for sure. Service starts and stops as I have coded it....just trying to figure out how/where to call other "stuff" from inside the Service.

Well, the Service is user Startable and Stopable.
I have captured an incoming SMS, that is, I'm running 2 emulators with my service on 5556 and the other on 5554 (Note: 5554 is a "regular" phone; my service is NOT on that phone, only the receivers'). 5554 sends text to 5556 and I get my Toast message about it with body and number.
Now the fun starts. As it is, the message goes through default SMS system and puts up the notify and the message is in the 5556 inbox. Now I have to compare phone number to contacts list; if number exists, ok, if not, store message in database and delete from inbox.
Does this sound ok? I'm not 100% warm and fuzzy they still get the notify (that can be bypassed, I think). Then again, let them get the notify, go to inbox, and if it's not there, the user knows to check the spam database.
Or I guess I could Toast a message about "Message sent to Spam Database", then delete it from the inbox.
Or toss-up a dialog box "Message from 339-9831-0076, Cheap Viagra" and have the dialog do a "Keep" or "Delete". That way there is probably no need for a database, but requires user intervention. And what if they're not at phone and have 50 incoming texts...50 dialog boxes??? I don't think so! ROFL
Or just write a whole new SMS messaging system! yeah, right...
I dunno, what do you guys think?

Making some serious progress, but getting tired and I know it's time to step away from the keyboard! LOL
Now I'm at a decision point...someone suggested looking at incoming messages by some keywords. Not sure what they meant.
Someone pointed-out that they get messages for bills due, game forums etc. that they want, but are not in the Contacts list. I'm not sure what to do here.
Say you get your Verizon text on "Bill Available", but I don't match on it and it goes to the database. Is the user going to like that? Probably not. What if I offer to ADD it to the Contacts? Think they'll go for that?
There isn't too much else I can do besides except set it like e-mail spam filters do: it goes to spam folder and you have the option to make it non-spam.
Hopefully I can get some comments on this Like I said, I need a nice long break and after I'm rested-up, I have to code the database stuff. I've done DB work in 2 other programs, so it's not going to be too bad. And I have to mess with the UI...oh joy

Do the "Bill Available" messages always come from the same number? If so, maybe you could add them as a contact, or put those numbers in some sort of whitelist so they don't get filtered.
I was the one mentioning filtering messages by keywords. I don't really know if this is feasible or wise. For a while, I was getting 1-2 messages a day almost identical just from different numbers asking me to sign up for this or that to win money or something. I didn't really think much of them, so I just replied STOP and deleted them. I believe the numbers were 5 or 6 digit numbers.
You might have to just do some market research and see what people are dealing with and what they want and make something fit the general consensus. I'm sure not everyone is going to be happy no matter what you do

I really don't know, for example, if my Verizon Bill Message # is the same as someone else. To complete the app v1.0 phase, I'm just going to send non-contact messages to the database and give option to add to Contacts.
I think I'm going to leave the default notification icon too. For people at their phone, they'll get the notification; by the time they get to it, I'll have marked it as "read" and the icon will go away. It's almost a programming "gift"...once they get used to it, they will know that a notification that comes and goes was a spam and to check database whenever.
(crap, I'll have to copy TO database and delete FROM contacts...damn)...(double damn, I'll have to store the "spam" phone number in user database and check incoming calls as spam from Contacts AND database <might need 2 databases>) see what happens when I get rest?
Once they get their Contacts up-to-date, it should run fine.

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NEVERMIND, but I'm keeping this here for others. Always hated strings in C/C++ classes in college
Changed to if(phoneNbr.compareTo(result[0].....) worked fine. Damn string comparisons!!!
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Ok, I'm either tired or going nuts. Running 2 emulators. One runs my Service, one is vanilla. Sent text from vanilla phone to phone running my Service. Preform lookup on the "Service" phone contacts to see if incoming matches. Obviously it does, because I get a row back from Contacts. But, this statement is NOT working:
if(phoneNbr.toString().trim() == result[0].replaceAll("\\D", "").toString().trim())
Toast.makeText(getBaseContext(), "Numbers Match!" ,Toast.LENGTH_LONG).show();
Here is my logcat of logging the SAME information I'm checking in the above "if". Uh, I'm stumped LOL
Log.v(TAG, phoneNbr.toString().trim());
Log.v(TAG, result[0].replaceAll("\\D", "").toString().trim());
12-31 10:05:01.896: VERBOSE/com.smartappsdev.TextSpamService(953): 15555215556
12-31 10:05:01.906: VERBOSE/com.smartappsdev.TextSpamService(953): 15555215556