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I have both input and questions.
First question, directed mostly to the devs who've started this and the average transformer owner's impression of what's going on:
What do you see the future of this tablet being? do you see it as very successful with a lot of roms, or do you see it as something that slides by with not much more dev than modified stock roms?
I will update this post with information for people interested in buying the Transformer and explicitly interested in development as soon as there is new information.
Another set of points:
I've seen people ask several questions in this forum, and i've congregated these ideas and some of my own.
CyanogenMod (with enhancements from the viewsonic Gslate)
Ubuntu
Multi-booting off SD or 16g main partition
Other roms from other tablets (as cool device-manufacturer software overlays come out)
AOSP for development (honeycomb of course, google has to release source )
KERNELS KERNELS KERNELS (i can see already that this is the strongpoint in XOOM development insofar)
I will update this list as necessary.
Thanks for reading. This thread will hopefully become a congregation of information for people who WANT TO BE DEVELOPERS and are considering BUYING THIS DEVICE. I want this Tablet to be as good as a platform as my G1 has been (it's still hoppin' in there ), and what i've seen spring up on devices like the Galaxy S line (2 of those devices here), and with the xoom already.
Thanks.
I will be responsible and be updating this thread. I may imitate RoyalKnight's Rom Bible in this thread (cf. G1 or MT3GS DEV)
I also have interest in becoming a Transformer Mod, let me know if that's available (of course i want to buy the thing first) lol.
Paul at MoDaCo has one. This is good. Also no offense to BadWolve1, I didn't know there was already a Mod for this section, i'll leave the above up for timesake.
jcarrz1 said:
I also have interest in becoming a Transformer Mod, let me know if that's available (of course i want to buy the thing first) lol.
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Theres a long list
I'll leave this in Dev, as it does contain Development info.
Badwolve1
I'm having major missed call issues and was wondering how many people are having the same issue?
Also has anyone contacted Verizon about this issue? If so, what did they do about it?
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From lurking around i've seen that a lot of people are having this problem, regardless of rom/kernel/baseband etc... I myself have this missed call 'bug' and as of right now I don't believe there's anything we can do to fix it yet. As for telling VZ, yes they know about it and many people have complained, although they wont do much besides offer you a replacement Fascinate or a "comparable" phone (read: Droid X). If you're lucky you can smooth talk or berate them into giving you MAYBE a Droid X2 or Incredible 2.
tapatalked from my KangBanged Fascinate
Mike from VZW posted this on there site
Re: Any One Having Missed Call Problem After ED04 Update Post Here So We Can Get A Count[ Edited ] Options
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07-01-2011 10:58 AM - last edited on 07-01-2011 11:03 AM
I have posted this in another forum thread about missing calls on the Fascinate, and I wanted to update this one as well with the updated information. This software release will address multiple issue including text messaging issues. Here's what I posted in some other threads:
I have been keeping track of this issue, and I have some news for those having the issue.
This has been escalated to the manufacturer. They rigorously tested and researched this specific issue. Samsung has developed a confirmed fix for the phones not ringing as of 06/30/11. We are working with them to finalize the fix and deliver it to the phones. I really wish I had an ETA to give everyone, but we don't have one yet. I just wanted to keep everyone in the loop.
Historically, these fixes have been pushed or updated via a software update. Here's a link to the Samsung Fascinate software update page in case we push this fix in a similar fashion. This page will update when we get very close to delivering the update if done via OTA software update.
Thanks again for everyone's feedback and patience.
Edited Note: I have also removed the resolution for this post. Perhaps once the software updates are launched, tested, and confirmed by multiple users as resolving the issue, then we can mark this as solved. Our goal is to fix issues, not just see the a green check mark on the page to make everyone feel better. I apologize about that, and I agree it was completely marked in error.
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Please look over recent topics (or use search) before posting a new thread... literally 10 posts below this is a 5 page thread called "Experiencing missing calls" where all your questions would have been answered. I'm not trying to be "that guy" here, but it is basic forum etiquette.
ooo, Sorry my bad, I didn't see that one before...mods please lick.
.. and hang on for 3.2?
what's in it for me?
i have the b60 tab and dock with no battery drain issues; my youtube already plays @ 30fps fullscreen; wifi connection is solid; i'm happy with the responsiveness of the tab generally and i'm not getting an excessive number of reboots or FCs.
some people are reporting problems after installing the update that they didn't previously have. why take the chance?
read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1041502
Build number: 8.4.4.11-20110711
Kernel changed.
Upgraded Wifi driver.
Upgraded GPS driver.
New Tegra boot animation.
SRS sound profile updated.
Nvidia TegraZone app added.
Video gallery app added (videos are now separated from the image and video gallery). (possibly US only)
Option to hide keyboard notification popup on dock connect.
Splashtop app updated. (not HD, yet)
MyLibrary now shows a book count.
Xbox 360 controller support.
WMV support added to stock gallery app.
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im not going to beg you to update it or not, its your decision. you can always revert back.
do it
asafdas
Seriously admins, move the topic making abilities to a much higher threshold.
jcopernicus said:
seriously admins, move the topic making abilities to a much higher threshold.
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JCopernicus said:
Seriously admins, move the topic making abilities to a much higher threshold.
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Not even that. I think there needs to be a karma system implemented, based on the amount of quality of your post in a specific thread will grant you the ability to make threads with the exception of the Q&A forum.
I just think it's kind of silly people make their own threads when there are 10 other threads talking about 8.4.4.11. Couldn't you just post that in a existing thread instead of feeling special and making a thread of your own? :|
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what's wrong with the topic? for those not having problems with .5, the possibility that this may be an unnecessary or counter-productive update ought to be discussed on its merits. if you have a relevant opinion on this then state it. don't slag me for asking the question.
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Not even that. I think there needs to be a karma system implemented, based on the amount of quality of your post in a specific thread will grant you the ability to make threads with the exception of the Q&A forum.
I just think it's kind of silly people make their own threads when there are 10 other threads talking about 8.4.4.11. Couldn't you just post that in a existing thread instead of feeling special and making a thread of your own? :|
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possibly, but then arguably it's a unique perspective deserving its own thread. in any case, a/ there was no .11 thread on the front page when i started this one, just ones complaining about various (possibly related to the update) problems, and b/ there's plenty of bandwidth here anyway. so chill out.
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possibly, but then arguably it's a unique perspective deserving its own thread. in any case, a/ there was no .11 thread on the front page when i started this one, just ones complaining about various (possibly related to the update) problems, and b/ there's plenty of bandwidth here anyway. so chill out.
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I'd have to agree with the others. I mean, all you had to do was look at the second page and you would have found a OTA post with plenty of opinions. It's 42 pages. I know it may be a pain to read it all, but I think the point is that people need to help themselves a bit more and actually look. If you're not willing to look, why should someone put in their valuable time to reiterate the same thing? You look at the points, good and bad, and make a decision for yourself. However, from what I see from your original post, it already seems like you have your answer.
The 'plenty of bandwidth' issue is irrelevant. What's more important is that every time someone posts an similar issue (that probably already has answers or opinions) or an "should i do this?", the more relevant topics get pushed down even further. Most people don't want to wade past 2 pages to find relevant content. I know I don't.
Anyway, I apologize for bumping this thread any further.
My opinion on the matter is that the update did improve speed and reliability for me so thumbs up for the update. Now on to 3.2 please!
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what's wrong with the topic? for those not having problems with .5, the possibility that this may be an unnecessary or counter-productive update ought to be discussed on its merits. if you have a relevant opinion on this then state it. don't slag me for asking the question.
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If I were you I'd just wait for the ICS update.
It's bound to be a much better upgrade that these intermittent dot updates.
JCopernicus said:
If I were you I'd just wait for the ICS update.
It's bound to be a much better upgrade that these intermittent dot updates.
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This update actually fixes alot of small niggling problems, including the speed at which it comes back to life when pressing the unlock button on the dock.
I was pretty happy before, very happy now.. And with 3.2 just around the corner, life is good...
I don't personally see any reason why anybody would ever "hold back" from a software update unless there was widespread knowledge of huge issues, which you probably wouldn't need to ask about, you'd already know. In fact, you're probably going to have to install it to get to 3.2 anyway. It's not like it takes more than ~5 minutes, are people that lazy?
I did the update and my transformer went to crap freezing up all the time screen going unresponisive. I was mad.......factory reset and life is good again I recommend the update if you do have problems reset the tablet
I just wanted to make this thread in hopes that it would possibly get a sticky or some sort of recognition. I see a lot of people making tons of new threads and comments that I think are pointless and should not be repeated over and over again. More specifically like: The Xoom is "dead", the development scene for the Xoom is going nowhere, why aren't they porting more OS's to the Xoom, and why is the Xoom behind in development... those kinds of things I see people say a lot around here.
The answer: The Honeycomb source code is not, and will not be released by Google... period. They have it locked up tight, and are not letting it out until they feel it is ready to be released to the public. The developers cannot do much more than they already have done without the Honeycomb source code. End of story.
The Xoom development scene does assume that everything will be all set and released with the Ice Cream Sandwich release here in the near future, which indeed makes perfect sense. And, because the Xoom was the first Honeycomb tablet, it's Google's baby: The one and only true and complete vanilla stock Google experience tablet. Thus: It is being protected by Google, if you will.
Maybe we will stop getting loads of threads complaining about the same exact thing. The answer to these questions have already been answered a billions times about 5 months ago when Google said that they will be holding onto the Honeycomb source until further notice. Please read this, everyone. Not trying to be mean or anything, but... I'm surprised that the Mods haven't spoken up about this. I thought one was supposed to read and make sure that the topic they are about to post about hasn't been mentioned yet before making a new thread?
I'm a very nice guy, and I am not one to complain about anything. I love helping people: it's what I do best! But... we do need to get this thing under control. Almost every day I see a new thread or a comment saying something like "the Xoom development scene is dead". This just shouldn't be happening. It's almost like bashing the Xoom in its own home. That's not a healthy thing to do now is it? Or trying to make it look bad and outdated by saying that the scene is dead, when in reality it really is the complete opposite. Overall: It's wasting thread space, causing a lot of annoyances, and a lot of the frequent Xoom posters such as myself are having to repeat themselves a billion times over with every new thread and comment about this topic. Hopefully something can be done about this.
Thanks for listening! All I ask is for people to read before posting these kinds of threads or comments on your friendly neighborhood XDA forums.
Yes, good points diablo2224, and to add to that, all of the improvements and increased functionality that the Team Tiamat and others have brought to the Xoom are really vital to it's continued relevence. Solarnz just gave us a peek at some new goodies in an upgoming rom and they look great! Xoom development is far from dead, source code or no source code.
I've seen the threads and it hasn't deterred me, the fact is Google is a monster company now and them buying Motorola mobility is one of the factors I bought my Xoom the other day... I personally see more to come and can wait
okantomi said:
Yes, good points diablo2224, and to add to that, all of the improvements and increased functionality that the Team Tiamat and others have brought to the Xoom are really vital to it's continued relevence. Solarnz just gave us a peek at some new goodies in an upgoming rom and they look great! Xoom development is far from dead, source code or no source code.
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Indeed. Team Tiamat is really doing an excellent job. Without the source they are doing spectacular! It amazes me at the stuff they have pulled off so far. The new universal rooting method for all Xoom's is quite an impressive feat.
SuicideMyk said:
I've seen the threads and it hasn't deterred me, the fact is Google is a monster company now and them buying Motorola mobility is one of the factors I bought my Xoom the other day... I personally see more to come and can wait
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Personally, the comments and threads don't particularly bother me very much either. I just want the people to know what the situation is, and why the scene has been "slower" than the other Honeycomb tablets. And to stop making negative comments towards the Xoom in that factor. If we all were a little more knowledgeable about reasoning rather than rationality... I think the comments and threads about this would come to a halt as we would all be on the same page.
" The Honeycomb source code is not, and will not be released by Google... period."
This isn't entirely true... just because its not out doesn't mean its not coming out.
They were waiting for ICS to be released first since Ice cream sandwich shares a lot of the code base of Honeycomb.... I imagine its going to be out sometime during the holidays.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/24/google-keeping-honeycomb-source-code-on-ice-says-its-not-ready/
That Engadget post is over 6 months old...
The official word as of today is they will never release the Honeycomb source code, and the ICS source code will be released a few weeks after the launch of the Galaxy Nexus.
why no HC sources? Well, the reason behind the decision to not release it still stands: it was an interim release meant at the tablet market, and they didn't want everyone to jump on it and release phones and what-not based on that code. ICS is the solution to that problem.
Just tell us we'll have unimaginable coolness on our Xooms.
when will the official update from motorola\google will arrive?
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when will the official update from motorola\google will arrive?
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Look behind you, it might be already there.
can you give me a date?
and I just read that there isn't an option to use the device as a disk drive, is it true?
It will be pushed out on 11.01.2012 but this is very confidential information, please don't tell anybody!
can someone serious answer me please?
Nobody knows. You'll just have to wait like the rest of us.
No one knows.
Sent from my Xoom using xda premium
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can someone serious please answer me?
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You're in the wrong place, pal. If you really want an answer, you'll have to find a connection within Motorola... if they even have a hard date set. If you want to be taken seriously, take time to search and read before posting a question. You'd find dozens of threads on the topic in the xoom forums alone (unfortunately, since others choose not to searrch, too) and you'd quickly learn there is no answer to your question here.
You can have ICS on your xoom today if you want it, just not from Moto. Again, do some reading and research and you can determine whether available alternatives are right for you, or whether to wait for a not-yet-announced official update.
Nearly everyone here is helpful and will assist if you do your homework and still have questions... but you have to take yourself and your own questions seriously before you can expect anyone else to do so... or you can choose to be roasted.
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You're in the wrong place, pal. If you really want an answer, you'll have to find a connection within Motorola... if they even have a hard date set. If you want to be taken seriously, take time to search and read before posting a question. You'd find dozens of threads on the topic in the xoom forums alone (unfortunately, since others choose not to searrch, too) and you'd quickly learn there is no answer to your question here.
You can have ICS on your xoom today if you want it, just not from Moto. Again, do some reading and research and you can determine whether available alternatives are right for you, or whether to wait for a not-yet-announced official update.
Nearly everyone here is helpful and will assist if you do your homework and still have questions... but you have to take yourself and your own questions seriously before you can expect anyone else to do so... or you can choose to be roasted.
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first of all, I want to thank you for taking the time to write your answer.
I did searched(not in XDA, I searched on google) for the answer and found a lot of articles about the XOOM getting the ICS update but they all were very old so I thought that maybe Motorola released a date for the update and I didn't found an answer for that so I decided to ask here.
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first of all, I want to thank you for taking the time to write your answer.
I did searched(not in XDA, I searched on google) for the answer and found a lot of articles about the XOOM getting the ICS update but they all were very old so I thought that maybe Motorola released a date for the update and I didn't found an answer for that so I decided to ask here.
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The problem is, and always will be - you can never set a solid release date for software upgrades when it comes to this 'chain' that the update must go through in order to be released to us.
From a manufacturer and carrier standpoint, they could never give even the slightest hint of a date for a software release until its imminently close. Reason being, there are so many variables and factors affecting a particular update. If they gave any sort of date other than "soon", then if they missed that date that everyone was expecting - customers would blow a gasket.
So essentially, from their standpoint, it is MUCH safer to keep from giving any sort of date of release.
Bottom Line: An official ICS update should be coming sometime soon. Speculation says the U.S. Wifi-only XOOM will be the first, and then others will soon follow. That is the most we know at this point.
So pull up a chair, grab a beer, and join the rest of us as we compulsively surf these android forums every day for the next piece of news to come forward.
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first of all, I want to thank you for taking the time to write your answer.
I did searched(not in XDA, I searched on google) for the answer and found a lot of articles about the XOOM getting the ICS update but they all were very old so I thought that maybe Motorola released a date for the update and I didn't found an answer for that so I decided to ask here.
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I had some good guidance (some nice, some not so nice) when I first started using xda, so glad to pass it along. The best was not to start a new thread except as a last resort - most questions are already asked and answered somewhere, and if not there is a likely an existing thread/discussion in which the question fits. For the most part, xda members aren't jerks and are extremely helpful... but the frustration factor rises quickly when the same questions are asked and answered repeatedly. As you'll probably be told at some time, it is a developers forum not really a users forum... they've just chosen to let us in (because we help test what they're dev'ing).
One more suggestion - be more careful with your topic titles. I opened the thread to read assuming you were posting some official announcement... and would bet most others did, too. Be more clear with the title and you increase the odds that you'll get readers that can/will help.
BTW, I'm still getting used to the xda search function (a bit cumbersome, works best in my opinion searching within a subforum), and often prefer a Google search myself. If you add "xda" to your Google search terms, you'll often find what you need.
azulgrana said:
can someone serious answer me please?
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I understand your concern, the more they wait the less we can play with our toy until that other date (ya know, 23/12/2012)
I'll give you a real answer. No body knows.
It seems like the last few updates were dropped with no prior warning. I assume ICS will be a different situation and they would at least give a little heads up (or so I would hope.) If you have a 4G VZW XOOM, expect to wait another month so Verizon can tinker around with it first.
Or, if you want it now, just go to the dev section and flash the wonderful EOS ROM. It takes all of 15 minutes to do if you're already rooted. In fact, I spent more time downloading the files than I did actually flashing the recovery and the ROM + a few bits and pieces that make it work. It's well worth it.
Hope this answers your question.
After getting dragged along month-to-month waiting for an official Android update with previous devices, I've come to the personal conclusion that I'll never wait for an official Android update ever again. The custom ROMs from these forums are always better and are always available far in advance of any official release.
You may want to give this a try. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1400958&page=82
Team EOS (formerly Team Tiamat) has proved to be one of the elite Android dev teams in my opinion and are worth following because they always have something new to try out.
Typically, the update will come in waves and there will be a leak to the blogs a few days before...
Kudos to the people who took the OP and his question seriously. There's no justification for being a d*** to someone who probably isn't familiar with all of the ins and outs of XDA. Come on now...
Anyway, you can watch paint dry in way less time than a carrier or OEM will deliver an official Android version update to their devices (assuming you're using something other than a Nexus device) so custom ROMs are definitely the way to go. It is not uncommon for devs here to release official ROMs before the carriers/OEMs LOL! To that end, check out one of the ICS ROMs from Team EOS in the Xoom development section. Root your Xoom if you haven't done so already, flash one of their ICS ROMs and enjoy . The devs here on XDA are good for releasing ROMs and updates in a timely manner.