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Evo Tip for New Users - Only one chance at google account

Ok,
Just going to through this up in a thread of its own. If this info needs to be added to a newbie's thread fine, but I have not seen one.
This is a lesson learned with the Evo that as a NEW android user I was completely unaware of:
--You MUST have a GMail account. An old Google account will not work.
--You only get ONE CHANCE at entering the correct account for your phone set up.
It seems that while other android phones have tricks to work around changing accounts...the Evo does NOT. You must do the factory reset from...Menu > Settings > Privacy > Factory data reset.
YES you will lose all the screen customizations you made, all the emails you have set up, all the settings you wanted.
NO you do not lose data as all my test pictures are still there.
The GMail account must be set up BEFORE you try to add it to the phone. (This seems to be the gist of lots of stuff on internet and this is way I did it. Set it up through my old Google account before adding to the phone during the set up process.)
There you go. Very important and frustrating tip for those of us that are new to android and especially to the Evo.

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are you sure?
you can't just got Accounts and Sync and change it there?
I can't imagine why not

You can't go to menu>settings>accounts and sync>google and remove your Google account?

if your rooted you can easily change google accounts
i found this goodie back in the hero days messing around with accounts.db
adb shell
sqlite3 /data/system/accounts.db "delete from accounts where type = 'com.google';"
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Either he doesn't know any better, or hes a troll

BAleR said:
Either he doesn't know any better, or hes a troll
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Luv you too.
No, you cannot just go Accounts and Sync...tried it. When you go into the google account you have a button below that says...'Remove Account'. When you try you get two pop-ups. First says you will lose account information. Second says you must do the factory reset.
So...anyone else want to call me a troll before they actually TRY what they are suggesting? 'Cause I tried three different approaches I found when searching. None worked.

TrevE said:
if your rooted you can easily change google accounts
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Yeah, phone only about 4 days old and still figuring out if she will be moving in with me or returned to the pound. So no rooting yet.

sablesurfer said:
Luv you too.
No, you cannot just go Accounts and Sync...tried it. When you go into the google account you have a button below that says...'Remove Account'. When you try you get two pop-ups. First says you will lose account information. Second says you must do the factory reset.
So...anyone else want to call me a troll before they actually TRY what they are suggesting? 'Cause I tried three different approaches I found when searching. None worked.
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Or maybe I just don't know any better, I don't have this problem with my phone, I've accidentally entered my Google account incorrectly and I always just re-entered it and it worked just fine.
My first post wasn't directed in any way negative. I just didn't know any better

Well, I'm pretty sure I've had my gmail account for about 3 years and it synced right up; worked on my mom's as well and then I made a new one for the dad.

Hrshycro said:
Well, I'm pretty sure I've had my gmail account for about 3 years and it synced right up; worked on my mom's as well and then I made a new one for the dad.
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Not being rude, but this has nothing to do with what I said in my tip. <shrug>

sablesurfer said:
Not being rude, but this has nothing to do with what I said in my tip. <shrug>
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Then you aren't being entirely clear on what your point is. I have no idea what you are talking about given that I know for a fact that:
A> I am usually drunk when I try roms, which usually require a full wipe and account info on 1st boot...which I usually screw up.
and most importantly,
B> That the day I got my phone I forgot my password for a good 5 minutes at radio shack and tried wrong passwords repeatedly until I got it right.
Not to mention
C> I have changed gmail accounts multiple times, even in those brief hours while I was still 100% stock.
...and I have no idea what a "google account" is otherwise. It very may well be 'a thing', but I have no idea what it is.
If I managed to evade your point, please--for the sake of the forum and your own well being--articulate it a little better.

daneurysm said:
Then you aren't being entirely clear on what your point is. I have no idea what you are talking about given that I know for a fact that:
A> I am usually drunk when I try roms, which usually require a full wipe and account info on 1st boot...which I usually screw up.
and most importantly,
B> That the day I got my phone I forgot my password for a good 5 minutes at radio shack and tried wrong passwords repeatedly until I got it right.
Not to mention
C> I have changed gmail accounts multiple times, even in those brief hours while I was still 100% stock.
...and I have no idea what a "google account" is otherwise. It very may well be 'a thing', but I have no idea what it is.
If I managed to evade your point, please--for the sake of the forum and your own well being--articulate it a little better.
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Your Google account is basically your Gmail account. All though I do believe it is a seperat account. It also allows you to link youtube, latitude and a few other Google tools or services.

Hmmm, Home screen, menu, settings, applications, gmail and or market, then clear data, and or clear cache ... worked for me... then I had to re-enter my password and user name, ill be damned if i didn't screw it up. Not even drunk, course i didn't forget it for 10 minutes, just about 30 seconds.

BAleR said:
Your Google account is basically your Gmail account. All though I do believe it is a seperat account. It also allows you to link youtube, latitude and a few other Google tools or services.
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That's what I assumed, but, you never know. Google is a little to smart to go for anything less than a unified ID. Having a handful of disparate and overlapping accounts (and their associated 'sign up process') seems like an annoying waste of time, storage and bandwidth.
Btw, I'm not trying to be a ****. If you are in fact having these issues it may be an isolated incident.

I had the same issue as the original poster. I believe what is being said is that the "google" account you enter the very first time, is the one used for your identity on the phone, and to change it requires a factory reset on the Evo.
Personally I have 3 google accounts, one is gmail and the other two are google apps. All of my contacts are under a google apps account.
Well, turns out, if you enter your gmail account not knowing the difference when you originally setup the phone, it stays stuck in there and won't let you change it without doing a full factory reset. I realized I needed to use my google apps account instead and had to factory reset to change it.
This is of course before I attempted any rooting fun, I had just came from WinMo on a Touch Diamond previously and hadn't read up on how any of that worked at the time.
Hope this helps clarify things.

Can't you just go to setup and redo your setup??
Nvm just tried nogo me =stupid
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sablesurfer said:
Not being rude, but this has nothing to do with what I said in my tip. <shrug>
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sablesurfer said:
--You MUST have a GMail account. An old Google account will not work.
--You only get ONE CHANCE at entering the correct account for your phone set up.
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Well, condiering I've had my gmail account for over 3 years and used it to set my evo up with, it's not new - it was 3 years ago but it sure wasn't new when I got my evo. Therefore, an old gmail/google account works just fine.
And, I just added me other gmail account without any problems. Gave me the options to sync mail, contacts, ect., too.
I think were missing your point here...or something.

total fail dude...

daneurysm said:
That's what I assumed, but, you never know. Google is a little to smart to go for anything less than a unified ID. Having a handful of disparate and overlapping accounts (and their associated 'sign up process') seems like an annoying waste of time, storage and bandwidth.
Btw, I'm not trying to be a ****. If you are in fact having these issues it may be an isolated incident.
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I know what you mean, in a way. I guess it just depends on the person and the what your needs are. iGoogle for instance, you can set up your own home page, you can add all kinds of different widgets like latitude, translate, local search, wiki, tv guide. You can be updated when concerts and such are appear in your town. I love latitude, I just link it to my phone, if anyone ever stole my phone I could just go to my google page on my pc and id automatically know the location and I'm pretty sure theres a free service for this same thing that adds the ability to send messages, not texts, to the phone and wipe it if you want. Pretty dang useful if you ask me. I love it, I just open mozilla and everything is there, mail, rss feeds and news, weather everything

larrybiggs said:
I had the same issue as the original poster. I believe what is being said is that the "google" account you enter the very first time, is the one used for your identity on the phone, and to change it requires a factory reset on the Evo.
Personally I have 3 google accounts, one is gmail and the other two are google apps. All of my contacts are under a google apps account.
Well, turns out, if you enter your gmail account not knowing the difference when you originally setup the phone, it stays stuck in there and won't let you change it without doing a full factory reset. I realized I needed to use my google apps account instead and had to factory reset to change it.
This is of course before I attempted any rooting fun, I had just came from WinMo on a Touch Diamond previously and hadn't read up on how any of that worked at the time.
Hope this helps clarify things.
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Ok, this makes since, I guess I never noticed because I have one account. I KNOW that if you enter in an incorrect user/pass it will just promt so. then just re-enter

Removing blur "account", not UI

Anyway to remove the blur "account" page. I see that if I change sims it forces me to login to the existing blur account. What if I want to completely de-blur the phone? Is that possible? Or not because motorola says so?

Not possible. No way to replace with stock accounts.

I am having many problems with these built in accounts. I was having problems with YouTube until I realized that I needed to login with the actual YouTube credentials and not the gmail ones.
I am now having similar problems with picasa, but as I am new to picasa, I don't know what my other logins would be other than my gmail ones. Basically every time I try to upload multiple photos from the gallery folder on the phone, it returns a message that says "failed to receive login information".
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seh6183 said:
I am having many problems with these built in accounts. I was having problems with YouTube until I realized that I needed to login with the actual YouTube credentials and not the gmail ones.
I am now having similar problems with picasa, but as I am new to picasa, I don't know what my other logins would be other than my gmail ones. Basically every time I try to upload multiple photos from the gallery folder on the phone, it returns a message that says "failed to receive login information".
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youtube now ONLY uses gmail login info, you NEED to link them before you can access your youtube account

Ronaldo_9 said:
youtube now ONLY uses gmail login info, you NEED to link them before you can access your youtube account
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I was able to get YouTube working. Have any advice on picasa?
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Ok more info on picasa. When I "quick upload" a single photo from the gallery they will go to picasa. Its only when I multi select photots and try to upload that it won't take. It still says "unable to retrieve user info" or something. Another note is that when the upload to picasa screen comes up, its not pulling my albums down from the picasa site, so I can tell right away that something isn't communicating the info.
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seh6183 said:
Ok more info on picasa. When I "quick upload" a single photo from the gallery they will go to picasa. Its only when I multi select photots and try to upload that it won't take. It still says "unable to retrieve user info" or something. Another note is that when the upload to picasa screen comes up, its not pulling my albums down from the picasa site, so I can tell right away that something isn't communicating the info.
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Try installing Gallery 3D from the market. It's the stock gallery app. Much better.

Figured it all out. I HOPE many people end up finding this thread. I went through a lot to figure this out. The following fix will work for both Picasa and YouTube problems where the error pops up saying that login info could not be retrieved. The problem is that you can not use the same email address for motoblur as you do the rest of the logins. You MUST set your motoblur to another email address when setting the phone up, preferably a non-gmail address. Unfortuantely for those of us who already setup the phone, the only way to change the motoblur email address is to wipe the phone and set everything up again.
I can confirm that this is 100% working. Now... If you don't want to setup the phone from scratch I can show you work arounds.
For YouTube, if you go into the YouTube app, hit menu, go to "my channel" (make sure the phone is not in landscape when you do this) then look at the top right and click logout. Then log back in, instead of putting your gmail address you can enter your YouTube user name and password. This will allow you to upload videos directly from the UI and gallery to YouTube.
A work around for Picasa is to set Picasa as the option in the "quick upload" menu in Gallery. If you go to gallery and click menu, then settings, you can set Picasa as quick upload there. Then whenever you are looking at a photo you can click menu and select quick upload, it will then upload straight to Picasa. The only problem is that you can not select multiple pictures and upload at once to Picasa. You have to do the real fix mentioned above to send multiple pictures to Picasa at once.
I reccommend you all do the real fix while the phone is still new and not that hard to wipe and start over.

Apparently it is possible, NO IDEA how i did it though D:
now when i take sim cards out it doesn't ask for motoblur account. Some reason I also lost all my contacts, don't know if it was because I lost my motoblur account or if it was a coincidence?

Supish said:
Apparently it is possible, NO IDEA how i did it though D:
now when i take sim cards out it doesn't ask for motoblur account. Some reason I also lost all my contacts, don't know if it was because I lost my motoblur account or if it was a coincidence?
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Hmm I'm not sure that this is a good thing lol. Try your best to re add the motoblur account, preferably under a different email address. If it works, this will be the best fix.

seh6183 said:
Hmm I'm not sure that this is a good thing lol. Try your best to re add the motoblur account, preferably under a different email address. If it works, this will be the best fix.
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I cant find a way to re add a motoblur account

I think you're ******
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seh6183 said:
I think you're ******
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LOL... dont mean to insult you intelligence or anything but in the accounts screen did you hit the menu button to add a new account? I know I myself over look the simple answers all the time if that doesnt work attempt a factory reset since youve lost everything anyways lol and if all else fails you can always flash SBF to start over.

drock212 said:
LOL... dont mean to insult you intelligence or anything but in the accounts screen did you hit the menu button to add a new account? I know I myself over look the simple answers all the time if that doesnt work attempt a factory reset since youve lost everything anyways lol and if all else fails you can always flash SBF to start over.
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clicking "add account" just gives me the option to link fb, myspace, twitter, etc. with motoblur, no option to add a motoblur account. And i didnt really lose EVERYTHING, just my contacts, I can just put them back in manually, its coo.

Supish said:
clicking "add account" just gives me the option to link fb, myspace, twitter, etc. with motoblur, no option to add a motoblur account. And i didnt really lose EVERYTHING, just my contacts, I can just put them back in manually, its coo.
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Wipe it and start from scratch using my method posted earlier, just make sure to NOT use a gmail address for the motoblur email.
Let us know how it goes. Good luck.
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seh6183 said:
Wipe it and start from scratch using my method posted earlier, just make sure to NOT use a gmail address for the motoblur email.
Let us know how it goes. Good luck.
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well I dont really NEED a motoblur account do I?

Supish said:
Apparently it is possible, NO IDEA how i did it though D:
now when i take sim cards out it doesn't ask for motoblur account. Some reason I also lost all my contacts, don't know if it was because I lost my motoblur account or if it was a coincidence?
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If you freeze items through TiBU this happens. You can remove the need for MotoBlur that way. But to go non-root there is no way to remove MotoBlur.
Also, I have no issues and I have MotoBlur on same email as everything else.

snlu178 said:
If you freeze items through TiBU this happens. You can remove the need for MotoBlur that way. But to go non-root there is no way to remove MotoBlur.
Also, I have no issues and I have MotoBlur on same email as everything else.
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Bet you can't select multiple photos from the stock gallery app and upload directly to picasa.
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seh6183 said:
Bet you can't select multiple photos from the stock gallery app and upload directly to picasa.
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As I said before. I use Gallery 3D. It is the stock froyo gallery.

snlu178 said:
As I said before. I use Gallery 3D. It is the stock froyo gallery.
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Boy im glad I read this post. I went and got gallery 3D. Now THAT is a stock app. It makes the moto one look horrible. The zooming is actually smooth.
Are there any other stock apps I should check out that would be better than what I have on the phone right now? Thanks
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[Q] AHH what did I do??!!

Ok so a few hours ago, my phone is working perfectly fine. Then all I did was change to LauncherPro to check it out, clicked the contacts app and it somehow sent me to the dialer, I then checked the contacts tab in the dialer and there were NO contacts. So, I went back to my usual ADW and my contacts are gone there too!!
Yes, I made sure it was "all contacts" and I treid resetting my phone several times but with no results. Another interesting thing I noticed, my MotoBlur account is GONE from my accounts. So, when I take my sim card out and turn my phone back on, the phone does not ask for me to put in my motoblur account (good thing?).
Could the lack of a motoblur account somehow deleted my contacts (I have no idea how I got rid of the motoblur account). I have made no backups of my contacts (sadly) so my only option that I know of is to manually add them back, but hopefully maybe someone can shed some light on this situation. TIA
Edit: losing contacts not a huge problem, can manually put them back, but still want to know how i got rid of motoblur account.

Thats very odd indeed, your blur account got deleted... have your tried simply adding it back I think this would also bring back your contacts and when you said you went back to standard launcher did you uninstall it? I installed launcherpro once but that never happened to me.

drock212 said:
Thats very odd indeed, your blur account got deleted... have your tried simply adding it back I think this would also bring back your contacts and when you said you went back to standard launcher did you uninstall it? I installed launcherpro once but that never happened to me.
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I tried adding it through "add account" but all it showed was accounts for facebook, myspace, last.fm etc. no motoblur adding
Also, i logged into my motoblur account through motoblur website, and it still has my phone information

Do.you have a custom rom flashed?
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dmappdev said:
Do.you have a custom rom flashed?
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nope, just launchers

wait youre running multiple launchers? try uninstalling them and see...
Also does anyone know where blur account info is house? Im in root explorer trying to find it with no luck, the only think I can imagine is (which I dont know how it would have happened) that one of your launchers did something to the root of where that information is house deleting the blur account but again I've never heard of this happening before
Edit: well this situation now makes two of us lmao while trying to solve your problem I seem to have replicated it. So now I just need to find out how to log back into blur... hey if anyone can it it would be greatly appreciated. So brief summery, I seem to have reset blur on my phone so that I am no longer logged into it I still have all my other emails and FB synced up but blur has disappeared and I cant find a way back in.

drock212 said:
wait youre running multiple launchers? try uninstalling them and see...
Also does anyone know where blur account info is house? Im in root explorer trying to find it with no luck, the only think I can imagine is (which I dont know how it would have happened) that one of your launchers did something to the root of where that information is house deleting the blur account but again I've never heard of this happening before
Edit: well this situation now makes two of us lmao while trying to solve your problem I seem to have replicated it. So now I just need to find out how to log back into blur... hey if anyone can it it would be greatly appreciated. So brief summery, I seem to have reset blur on my phone so that I am no longer logged into it I still have all my other emails and FB synced up but blur has disappeared and I cant find a way back in.
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LOL how did you replicate it?
and do you still have your contacts?

nope no contacts lol, no anything and the way I did it was using root explorer I went into system/framework/ and in there is a file called blur-res.apk I ran it to see what it would do and it wiped my blur lol I also noticed that my social networking app or whatever it maybe called is no longer functioning when I try to use it it states that i need to create an account but when I try it doesnt go anywhere. does your social networking app still work?

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nope no contacts lol, no anything and the way I did it was using root explorer I went into system/framework/ and in there is a file called blur-res.apk I ran it to see what it would do and it wiped my blur lol I also noticed that my social networking app or whatever it maybe called is no longer functioning when I try to use it it states that i need to create an account but when I try it doesnt go anywhere. does your social networking app still work?
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does not work, same problem as you, but i usually have it frozen anyways

Supish said:
does not work, same problem as you, but i usually have it frozen anyways
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yeah it seems that one of your launchers may have ran this apk then causeing this issue lol Im going to titan back up then reset, I cant seem to find a solution to get that social network app working again

drock212 said:
yeah it seems that one of your launchers may have ran this apk then causeing this issue lol Im going to titan back up then reset, I cant seem to find a solution to get that social network app working again
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yeah whatever, i dont need motoblur account

Supish said:
yeah whatever, i dont need motoblur account
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funny enough I forgot I had backed up all my contacts via vcards to my sdcard so I just imported them lol

Unable to download any apps to my phone while on android marketplace

I just purchased a HTC EVO Shift 4g I have looked over the suggested pages to answer my question and here it is. I made the mistake of deleting the previous users email address from android marketplace. I wanted to be honest and not use it. Since then I came to find out she has something called mikmik installed. I have tried a hard reset which did nothing and I was told then phone was flashed to cricket and supposeadly rooted but from a friends knowledge there is no marketplace sign in. Any help or any questions you have please get back to me. I would love some help on this matter.
Sincerely,
A Very Noob HTC Guy

First question, is it still on Cricket? Did you sign into your Google account? That is the only way you can access the Android Market from your phone. You must be signed into a valid Google account. When yopu try to access the Market it should prompt you to sign into your Google account. The MikMik? Do you mean a MikShifted G the Rom? A hard reset will not change the Rom. If you want a different Rom, you must flash a new one.

To answer your question yes I do still have cricket also I dont know how to answer this but I am in the accounts & sync screen where google comes up is that what your referring to. Also I am using the active sync under accounts & sync and its not being very helpul. I want to say yes to you question of the Mik Shifted G the Rom. The Message I keep getting is there are no phone android phones associated with this account please sign in with a different account.

Sign in with your Google account . Then it should be all good.
TEAM MiK
Mik Roms Since 3/13/11

NoobHTCEVOShiftGuy said:
To answer your question yes I do still have cricket also I dont know how to answer this but I am in the accounts & sync screen where google comes up is that what your referring to. Also I am using the active sync under accounts & sync and its not being very helpul. I want to say yes to you question of the Mik Shifted G the Rom. The Message I keep getting is there are no phone android phones associated with this account please sign in with a different account.
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Even though you deleted their email off of the android market you could have went to gmail through your phone's browser and made your own gmail account (at say gmail.com) and went to your app drawer under set up and signed in under you gmail account . You can also sign in through under accounts n sync in your settings menu . But if you did a hard reset on a rooted phone idk . Hopefully it didn't erase any of your rom . If not get you a google email account and sign in with your email address and password(same password as your gmail email account) through any of the above options and voila the android market will come to life .
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A Hard Reset will not erase any of your Rom. A Hard Reset will only restore the phone to just flashed condition, or in the case of an unrooted phone to fresh out of the box.

prboy1969 said:
A Hard Reset will not erase any of your Rom. A Hard Reset will only restore the phone to just flashed condition, or in the case of an unrooted phone to fresh out of the box.
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My bad I never did a hard reset. I just erased everything and reflashed
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All good

Lost SGS

Hello,
I lost my phone last night, when I went out. I have stock Gingerbread, I was wondering if it was possible to somehow track my phones location, as my GPS and internet connect are always on. Any help in greatly appreciated.

Chalky94 said:
Hello,
I lost my phone last night, when I went out. I have stock Gingerbread, I was wondering if it was possible to somehow track my phones location, as my GPS and internet connect are always on. Any help in greatly appreciated.
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Install Plan B remotely https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lookout.labs.planb

Thank you so much!

Hopefully your phone will be somewhere with phone signal.

Hi, I wonder the Plan B will still work if the phone got formatted/hard reset to factory setting or simcard been removed?

Tzhiwei said:
Hi, I wonder the Plan B will still work if the phone got formatted/hard reset to factory setting or simcard been removed?
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No, you have to be logged in to you google play account (with gmail).

yogosun said:
No, you have to be logged in to you google play account (with gmail).
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Then have to login with my own gmail account or any account will do? It's obvious that the thieft will use diff gmail account right?

Tzhiwei said:
Then have to login with my own gmail account or any account will do? It's obvious that the thieft will use diff gmail account right?
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You can remotely install apps onto your phone by signing into play.google.com with your Google account, selecting an app to install, and then selecting a device. If you are logged into your Google account on a phone, that phone will be listed as one of your devices. The app is then installed onto your phone, regardless of whether or not you have your phone on-hand at that time. This is how the app 'Plan B' works.
So to summarize: yes, you still need to be logged into your Google account on the device.

upichie said:
You can remotely install apps onto your phone by signing into play.google.com with your Google account, selecting an app to install, and then selecting a device. If you are logged into your Google account on a phone, that phone will be listed as one of your devices. The app is then installed onto your phone, regardless of whether or not you have your phone on-hand at that time. This is how the app 'Plan B' works.
So to summarize: yes, you still need to be logged into your Google account on the device.
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Ok, got it. Thanks Upichie... and Yogosun too..