Database Users

My Experience Thus Far

Just got my shift today, and so far I'm head over heels with it I know I can't give a legitimate review until I've had it for at least a few weeks, so I'll make sure to pop back in after I've had it for a bit. The only complain I have at this point is the volume button placement; I've been accidentally tapping it as I close the slider. I have found a solution though! Get in the habit of placing your thumb a bit more to the right while using the keybboard, OR moving one or both of your thumbs to the top and bottom of your phone before closing the slider.
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Glad to hear you're liking it so far! I've had mine for two days now and I'm proud to say I'm also head over heels.
I didn't think I'd be able to stand running Sense again, but it really flies on this phone. Volume placement doesn't bother me. Only thing that does is bloatware (man HTC really put a lot on this one!) Most of that is already gone, however.

I was looking around and it seems like there is no permanent root yet. Did you temp root and remove the bloatware? What are the downside to temp rooting over per rooting?
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Nmott93 said:
I was looking around and it seems like there is no permanent root yet. Did you temp root and remove the bloatware? What are the downside to temp rooting over per rooting?
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Yes I did.
The only downside I see is use of what root users deem necessary apps doesn't stick on reboot. Well, that and the obvious lack of rom selection.
S-Off is just a whole different game. I'm used to using fastboot commands, etc.
We'll see permaroot before too long and I'm sure we'll have great rom and theme selection after that.

Sorry for the stupid questions, but what exactly is a ROM? I'm still pretty new to the whole Android scene ;( S-off and Fastboot Commands as well
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Nmott93 said:
Sorry for the stupid questions, but what exactly is a ROM? I'm still pretty new to the whole Android scene ;( S-off and Fastboot Commands as well
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Think of a rom as a modified, sometimes heavily, version of the phone's operating system.
You'll see AOSP roms, that's Android the way Google meant it to be.
Sense roms, modified versions of HTC's releases.
I would give you a few great links but I'm on phone at the moment. I'll get them to ya a little later.

Haven't temp-rooted my shift because I thought I read that any bloatware you remove will come-back after re-boot. Can you comment?
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Yes I did.
The only downside I see is use of what root users deem necessary apps doesn't stick on reboot. Well, that and the obvious lack of rom selection.
S-Off is just a whole different game. I'm used to using fastboot commands, etc.
We'll see permaroot before too long and I'm sure we'll have great rom and theme selection after that.
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geekdaddy said:
Haven't temp-rooted my shift because I thought I read that any bloatware you remove will come-back after re-boot. Can you comment?
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I've seen reports of both.
Everything that I have removed has stayed gone. I haven't rebooted, but my phone has dies, so that's essentially the same thing.

I'm waiting for perm root and some healthy ROM development before I go back to the Shift. I thought thse things were like roted within 2 weeks of thier release though?

@Nmott93 - I've gathered a small collection of links to better guide you through your questions than I myself can in words.
You'll notice most users in these forums are extremely helpful. I think the biggest pet peeve is when people ask questions that are all ready answered in the op. Don't worry about them though!
Permanent Root or Temporary. Which is for you?
Custom ROMs for Android Explained: Why you want them.
What S-Off Is and How To Gain It - Doesn't apply to our phones, yet, but great read.
AOSP: Android Open Source Project - Home Site, lots of information.
Cyanogen(mod) - The most popular non-stock rom on any phone that I've had, still, not for everyone.
I hope that these links are informational for you, and I've got plenty more saved away if you want anything else!

Jeez, thanks! I'll start reading through these when I get to work
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Nexus S question

Anyone know if it is boot encrypted or phone locked, I've seen commentary both ways, looking for someone who got it early.

no its not. the nexus devices are designed to be open.. the bootloader is LOCKED but booting into fastboot and typing (on your computer) fastboot oem unlock unlocks it and then all you need to do is fastboot flash recovery to get clockwork mod on it

shabbypenguin said:
no its not. the nexus devices are designed to be open.. the bootloader is LOCKED but booting into fastboot and typing (on your computer) fastboot oem unlock unlocks it and then all you need to do is fastboot flash recovery to get clockwork mod on it
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Thanks cant wait getting mine in the AM

Paleryder said:
Thanks cant wait getting mine in the AM
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let us know your thoughts and opinions on it..
esp what you like and dislike between that and the epic..
which is better and so on...

Paleryder said:
Thanks cant wait getting mine in the AM
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I so badly wanna follow suit.. mostly to ditch the 'bulk' of the keyboard but also to experience a 'raw' and 'unbloated' device LOL...
I just don't think i got the cash though :/
So I wait... hahahaha

its 10:25 local time here, my store opens at 11. as soon as i have it im rooting it and making a system dump to toss to the cm7 team but its also going public as apparently no one that has it has made one :O

What would we do without you
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its 10:25 local time here, my store opens at 11. as soon as i have it im rooting it and making a system dump to toss to the cm7 team but its also going public as apparently no one that has it has made one :O
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Didn't sammy commit to keeping bootloaders and encryptions on they're phones? Thought I read that somewhere. That they encouraged it. That doesn't sound right lol
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RushAOZ said:
Didn't sammy commit to keeping bootloaders and encryptions on they're phones? Thought I read that somewhere. That they encouraged it. That doesn't sound right lol
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Sammy said they would keep their phones unlocked unless google told them otherwise
Sent From My Evo Killer!!

My wife is leaving T-Mobile to pick up a Nexus this afternoon. Sprint renewed the $125 rebate to anyone that leaves their contract.

darn it im not eligible for an upgrade until november of this year, im beggining to hate my epic so much, the roms are great but even they have small tiny quirks that piss me off.
no matter, im thinking about just spending the 550 and getting it for full price and experience the gingerbreaded goodness!

[Q] Random Thought

Does it bug anyone that one click rooting takes way more than 1 click? (Not that I use one click programs for my Xoom)

No. It bothers me that people are so stupid that they want and use the so called one click methods period. Even more so on a device with a unlocked bootloader.
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albundy2010 said:
No. It bothers me that people are so stupid that they want and use the so called one click methods period. Even more so on a device with a unlocked bootloader.
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What's wrong with that method? I haven't rooted yet partly due to lack of knowledge.
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haha. me too. its asking for a bricked device if u ask me

That's the point. Acquire the knowledge.
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RadDudeTommy said:
What's wrong with that method? I haven't rooted yet partly due to lack of knowledge.
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You dont need alot of knowledge and the guids are ez to follow. The problem with one click's are they dont expose you to ADB so when something goes wrong with the one click you wont know what to do. ADB is something that I avoided but with an unlocked bootloader its a good place to learn. just my opinoin

sgtagem said:
You dont need alot of knowledge and the guids are ez to follow. The problem with one click's are they dont expose you to ADB so when something goes wrong with the one click you wont know what to do. ADB is something that I avoided but with an unlocked bootloader its a good place to learn. just my opinoin
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Very well said. I have rooted two android devices previously, but the Xoom gave me my first experience using adb. It came in very handy when I got into a soft brick and was able to negotiate my way out of it. I still experience some anxiety whenever I'm about to mod my Xoom, but it helps to have some basic knowledge (and know what you don't know). Also, read and follow the directions and get everything prepared in advance.

okantomi said:
Very well said. I have rooted two android devices previously, but the Xoom gave me my first experience using adb. It came in very handy when I got into a soft brick and was able to negotiate my way out of it. I still experience some anxiety whenever I'm about to mod my Xoom, but it helps to have some basic knowledge (and know what you don't know). Also, read and follow the directions and get everything prepared in advance.
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so true. i hate soft bricks. I still worry about messing it up but knowing commands help.

Is it true??? Root maybe coming??

So I found this on the EVO 3D channel. Looks like they found a hole they may be able to use for rooting 2.3.3!
See the links listed in this post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1135100

tnerb123 said:
So I found this on the EVO 3D channel. Looks like they found a hole they may be able to use for rooting 2.3.3!
See the links listed in this post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1135100
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I already have root on my EVO whats the point of this?

there is a whole evo 3d forum here on XDA which would be a better place to talk about it

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I love all the posts about just watch here and they'll be tons of posts about the new root. now that one is close.
One post

Right now, there is NO new root. I guaranty you there will be people Fighting to be the first to post when it actually drops. Plus, if you read the thread, they state that it seems to be very device specific...meaning it may not help us, we don't know yet. Unless you are a dev or a tester, we are still in wait-and-see mode.

True but I suspect the same root will work on this device as well. Just surprised to see so little chatter about it

rezistrat said:
True but I suspect the same root will work on this device as well. Just surprised to see so little chatter about it
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Why get the hopes up of all of the noobs that took the OTA. The smart ones that got unlucky with a warranty swap or an insurance claim that got 2.3.3 on a new/refurb phone knows where to look and when to ask about it.

I heard unrevoked has a solution. They appear to have bootloader loop issue to resolve before they can publish a solution.
Hope this is true.
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MrDSL said:
I already have root on my EVO whats the point of this?
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It went over your head completely. Derty-der...
Many people with unrooted phones and GB 2.3.3, S-ON, are waiting for a solution to get flipped over to s-off. So they can root.
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Im sure xda devs are hard at work I will wait as long as it takes them or until they say it can't be done
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sweet i heard they rooted the cdma hero

True, yes it may be coming. Quote the maybe part ok let's all move on.

They actually said last night in IRC that it's unlikely that the exploit will work on Sense 1.0 roms.

Hey HTC,..

You know you are the reason xda came to be. A massive community forged behind your products, and your old model of 'keeping things open'.
Xda has become a HUGE COMMUNITY.
you will become zero and lose your place in the US if dev HTC unlock continues to be the halfass joke that HTC made and that actually is more likely to screw HTC users. We need full unlock, then we can fix our own software, not rely on you.
I love HTC hardware, but I'm buying galaxy or something in about 10 days.
Please listen to our recovery builders and take into consideration the VALID points I KNOW they have brought to your attention. They know Android better than YOU, HTC.
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I agree completely. It is sad to have one of the only manufacturers outside of Google phones that offer an "unlockable" product, yet see so many struggling almost more than without unlock!
Looking a device is understandable from both manufacturer and carrier points of view. When a grown adult, who spends their hard earned money on a device, wants to upgrade and develop their own software why lock them out? HTC will only benefit from the developer community as Android a a whole exists on the theory of open source. CID was found out explored and corrected all within this community and HTC got praise for it. Where is our returned gratitude?
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Bump!
Plus I have written an article on the situation, including the full quote from @toascfh from the discussion in the One X forum!
http://goo.gl/3T4NK

Great job! Hopefully HTC will listen. I know they'll listen to $, but I don't know how much of a dent the custom community would really put in their pocket.
Also, I cleaned up my post. It was written last night with anger/frustration and liquor. Lol
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Could you please clarify for me, and others who aren't completely sure, how this affects devs and users? For example:
1. Can I root?
2. Can I get superuser access and use SetCPU?
3. Can I flash a custom kernel?
4. Can I flash a custom ROM?
Those are some things I'm wondering. All I want development wise on my new toy is improved battery life, which I assume will come via kernel change or SetCPU. Does this seem possible?
Thanks in advance!
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PsiPhiDan said:
Could you please clarify for me, and others who aren't completely sure, how this affects devs and users? For example:
1. Can I root?
2. Can I get superuser access and use SetCPU?
3. Can I flash a custom kernel?
4. Can I flash a custom ROM?
Those are some things I'm wondering. All I want development wise on my new toy is improved battery life, which I assume will come via kernel change or SetCPU. Does this seem possible?
Thanks in advance!
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Do you currently have your EVO with s-off?
The new bootloaders are locking us out from flashing the boot partition from recovery. This means that if you want to flash a ROM you need to flash the boot.img from the ROM through fastboot first, then enter recovery and flash the ROM. Also, you are blocked from flashing from system, i.e. flashing from inside the ROM, like using ROM manager or something like that. As for the kernel I am not so sure... but maybe, unless it is in the boot partition, which I actually think it is...
So, you will use htcdev to "unlock" your phone, then you can use:
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
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This will get your custom recovery, however your options from there are limited as stated above.
Then, to flash a ROM, you need to issue:
fastboot flash boot boot.img
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Using the boot.img from the ROM, then enter recovery to flash the rest of the ROM... As far as I understand. Then you will be able to use recovery to flash su binaries gaining superuser access, if necessary.
So, really you are going to be tied to your computer, issuing a lot of fastboot commands just to update ROM's, this severely slows down, and complicates the process, however, it will still be possible.
This all stems from more of a frustration, that HTC is locking things down making hell for users to customize their own device. This is what some 3vo users and many Sensation users and almost all Rezound users are experiencing. With the One series there are many working on this but it is difficult and frustrating.
I do plan to get the EVO LTE, despite the turmoil, and am trying to quickly learn some dev work so I can be a contributing member to the community. Believe me there will be those that stick around, but to lose the likes of toastcfh and cyaniarb... that would be a major set back...
Viperboy has opted for the Galaxy Nexus, but may still come to the EVO LTE, which would be a big help as he has done some great work for locked HTC devices. Though, in the long run, we do need to let HTC know what we want and that we are valuable and indispensable as a consumer group.

Thanks a ton! That is very encouraging to hear that there are still ways to go about doing things, just not as easy to do them. Honestly, the only reason I am a flashaholic now is that there is nothing that satisfies all of my needs. I feel like the EVO 4G LTE will satisfy everything I am looking for, and I'll only need to do little tweaks instead of massive wholesale changes regularly.
Now that being said, I'm still not happy to hear it is making devs run elsewhere, because we need them to create stuff so we have an opportunity to tweak our phones, whether in terms of big changes or not. Is there a way we can draft an email together and everyone who cares on this site can send it to them? Kind of flood their email to send a message?

scottspa74 said:
Great job! Hopefully HTC will listen. I know they'll listen to $, but I don't know how much of a dent the custom community would really put in their pocket.
Also, I cleaned up my post. It was written last night with anger/frustration and liquor. Lol
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I went into there Facebook told them I'm the tech of the family and they ask me what's the next good phone told them to go with the iphone or Samsung since HTC is locking down yup I'm the one that convinced them to get evo's and evo3D in the first place. You see what they dont take into consideration is we tell people what's the next up in coming hot phone including me I could sway away 8 potential customers not one. Just my two cents
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Someone from the One X thread, where toast laid out the rant I quoted, already submitted said rant to HTC Facebook page.
Another problem with S-on is you can't flash radios. And from what I've seen in the rezound forum, once you update your main version (or firmware), like 4.54 to 4.67 for the Evo, you can't go back. So I believe it you wanted d to test an ICS ROM, and it was buggy, you couldn't go back to GB (using Evo current situation for reference).
As for kernel, I'm not sure how that is affected. As for recovery, I've changed recovery on my Evo using terminal emulator, meaning from within system (android). That can't be done in the current state of development, hence the need for fastboot and to do everything from a computer. I'm not fond of that.
The best way to see the current state of affairs is to do some serious browsing in the one x and rezound forums to see what users are up against.
Glad to hear you're studying up imheroldman. I need to, too. Hell, idont even know how to use cmd prompt or fastboot or adb. Never had to with Evo. Lotta people gonna have to study up, it seems.
Unless HTC gets their **** together. **cough cough cold day in hell**
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imheroldman said:
Bump!
Plus I have written an article on the situation, including the full quote from @toascfh from the discussion in the One X forum!
http://goo.gl/3T4NK
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I tweeted it, not like any one follows me but ...

With HTC claiming boot and USB are locked out because of "security reasons" is their way of saying "screw you, we will only give you a worthless partial unlock and still void your warranty for using it" and the htcdev.com method flags the device so they know you used it so your warranty can't be "reinstated" by relocking your phone like when they exploit and turn s-off then returning s-on so they don't know reinstates your warranty as far as sprint or HTC are concerned. This is the reason HTC locks the bootloader and requires a tool to "unlock" it. Samsung doesn't lock the bootloader at all, they implemented what is called a custom binary flash counter which triggers a number increase when ever you flash a custom kernel that has been modified. And they put the recovery partition in the kernel so it triggers when you install a recovery. However there are ways to reset the flash counter so they can't tell you've modded your phone. I'm not a brand loyal person, I will go with whoever has the device I want. Which is why for now I'm using Samsung. The build quality while made of a plastic is solid, so solid in fact I spilled some water on my phone on accident and it didn't even seep under the battery cover, my evo was laying right next to it and it had water all inside the cover and enough to trigger the water marks. They have really improved their build quality since my intercept which left alot to be desired but it was also a very cheap budget smartphone to begin with. The epic touch and note are very well built pieces of technology they are solid, the joins are smooth where the pieces are attached or the battery cover meets the housing, and still extremely light weight. Even with my snap on hard shell on my et4g its so light I can't tell its in my pocket alot of times I always double check to make sure it didn't slip out.
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Thank you guys for your participation, I have 115 views on the blog entry just today!
I want to believe in HTC, that they will listen and lighten the lock down. We just need to speak up. This is a good start and yes hitting their pages and voicing our opinions as consumers will get their attention!

imheroldman said:
Thank you guys for your participation, I have 115 views on the blog entry just today!
I want to believe in HTC, that they will listen and lighten the lock down. We just need to speak up. This is a good start and yes hitting their pages and voicing our opinions as consumers will get their attention!
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The bad part is them claiming they did it for security reasons, it will be hard to get them to unlock something they are claiming they are doing for security. If we can get them to unlock it, its gonna take a lot of convincing. A better option would be to ask for detailed instructions on how to flash firmware to the device with their setup. Obviously they have to flash firmware via OTAs so if they would outline the ROA for the OTA firmware install we could use that to flash our customs
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That is the second option that toastcfh laid out. Apparently that is what the G1 had, full documentation on how to flash firmware. This might be the ultimate option, seeing as they want things to be locked but give those who just want an unlock that ability and for those wanting to go further the opportunity and the tools to do so.

Hahahaha.
Just saw the same thing CM9 on One X
Just saw this in the Evo 3d forum. So yeah, that's encouraging. But, it doesn't have camera working, and I wouldn't be surprised if that remains the case, due to HTCs new image chip and closed code. Decisions decisions 
Granted, this doesn't negate the frustration with S-on.
Edit: see what I did there imheroldman ? Thanks buddy. :thumbup:
Evil, what is the tampered watermark you speak of?
Also, in the 3d thread where I saw CM9 link, I swear I saw they have S-off now! That's great.
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I really like their new "tampered" watermark
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....tampered watermark? Whuuuuu?
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scottspa74 said:
....tampered watermark? Whuuuuu?
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Instead of unlocked it now says ****TAMPERED**** at the top of an unlocked bootloader
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Has anybody ever tryed doing a petition that people can sign to HTC for a full unlock?
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UberJams said:
Has anybody ever tryed doing a petition that people can sign to HTC for a full unlock?
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I think this is a great idea as well. Let's speak up!