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Hey guys, I am switching over from the htc blackstone and have experienced with using roms cooked by chefs. However, I am a beginner when it comes to android and have a few questions regarding cooked roms.
How polished are the roms cooked by the major chefs here? Because when using roms cooked for winmo, each ones have irritating bugs that need to be reflashed constantly on a weekly basis.
Is the desire rom build still in its early beta stage?
Thanks guys!
Cyan's ROM is perfect from my use. I have yet to try a sense rom, like modaco's because of compatibility problems. I can vouch for cyans rom being FAST and without error.
As far as I can tell the (non Sense) ROMs from Cyanogen and MoDaCa are really stable and don't have any issues with standart android apps.
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Because when using roms cooked for winmo, each ones have irritating bugs that need to be reflashed constantly on a weekly basis.
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Same thing here. Desire ROM has Bluetooth and Cyanogen's ROM on my phone Gmail sync didn't work.
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have irritating bugs that need to be reflashed constantly on a weekly basis.
Thanks guys!
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That's just WinMo surely?
Some of the roms can be, but thats mainly in test roms or "alpha" releases. Guys that create roms here are good at letting you know what issues are present in roms so you can decide if thats a big deal for you or not.
As a former winmo guy I would say there were plenty of stable roms that didnt require reflashing, ever. Where you using mtty? At any rate I have only tried enoms rom so far. It has a couple odd issues for me but most of them I found answers to, the gain over the stock rom is well worth dealing with them and the rom itself has been stable. I'll be giving CM a shot here shortly and see how that goes. There is in general a feeling of android development being in its infancy to me as compared to the winmo stuff.
The Desire rom is still in alpha stages, but it is polished enough to be considered a full release.
All ROMs available for N1 are near perfection. No major bugs.
faraz1992 said:
All ROMs available for N1 are near perfection. No major bugs.
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don't be posting stuff that just isn't true... Pretty much all the ROMS are super stable (as I type this I just got a call I tried to pick up with bluetooth and the phone froze up, only happend about 3 times in the last month).
However, some ROMs are farther than others.. Right now from what I know ALL the SenseUI roms do not have 100% Bluetooth working... this is because the bluetooth stack has hooks into the SenseUI Kernel. The Nexus One can't use that kernel...
There are always little fixes for the ROMs that cooks produce, but on the whole the N1 has experienced very stable roms for the most part. (I'm comparing to lots of other phones I have played with like my HTC Tilt, LOL).
rs0cal said:
Hey guys, I am switching over from the htc blackstone and have experienced with using roms cooked by chefs. However, I am a beginner when it comes to android and have a few questions regarding cooked roms.
How polished are the roms cooked by the major chefs here? Because when using roms cooked for winmo, each ones have irritating bugs that need to be reflashed constantly on a weekly basis.
Is the desire rom build still in its early beta stage?
Thanks guys!
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My experience coming from the infamous HD2 (Leo) to my very first Android which happened to be the Nexus one, i can only imagine how HAPPY you will become.
I have been a looooong time Big time fan of Winmo from Pocket PC 2002 to WM 6.5 until few weeks ago when i decided to abort the ship.
I have just realized how stupid i am to compromise all my time in a mobile operating system that keeps on wasting my time (i.e. Taking out the battery because it hangs/froze up for so many times in one day, never missed a day without a dropped call, constantly ending task in task manager to speed up the phone etc.. etc.. Upgrading firmware every freaking week thinking that maybe this time it will be more stable etc.. etc..)
I did not realized all these until one day, i have decided to write down how many times i would need to restart my infamous HD2 in one day, guess what?? 37 times!
to make it short, i sold it and got the nexus one! and for the first time in my life, i felt that this phone is worth every penny!
Although, i missed the HTC sense... i now rooted it and installed kingklick version of desire rom which is absolutely amazing! and much much better than my previous HD2!
Now that the Android Market is getting popular each day! Im Lovin it!
Since day 1, i have not even restarted the phone nor had experience any hangs or any malfunction.
dont even think about using the sense rom, they have bugs and get slow over time, not to mention the horrible battery drain from the htc sense system bc of all the apps running, just stick with cyanogen or MCR
edit: i also came from winmo (omnia user) and the flashing experience isnt as exciting as winmo's, i personally enjoyed flashing like every week, but on the nexus you will flash like once every now and then as their roms are more stable, and new rom releases arent that often as the nexus is still new and is pretty much the most up to date android phone, so dont expect much until newer phones with better or different interfaces are released...
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dont even think about using the sense rom, they have bugs and get slow over time, not to mention the horrible battery drain from the htc sense system bc of all the apps running, just stick with cyanogen or MCR
edit: i also came from winmo (omnia user) and the flashing experience isnt as exciting as winmo's, i personally enjoyed flashing like every week, but on the nexus you will flash like once every now and then as their roms are more stable, and new rom releases arent that often as the nexus is still new and is pretty much the most up to date android phone, so dont expect much until newer phones with better or different interfaces are released...
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what are you talkin about??? i am using kingklick version 1.0 desire rom for two weeks and never had an issue (besides the noted bluetooth and camera flash capture). which ofcourse are acceptable to my daily use.
the rom itself is fast compared to the original modaco alpha 21, although it is still based with the modaco (with kings mods, it made a lot of progress)
it also includes the wifi and usb tether application built in.
never had a problem with the 3g or hsdpa and reception as well.
overall ot is great!
From an Android Mod to ex ex WinMo user........please start asking question in Q&a or General.....Developmental section is strictly for that.
rs0cal said:
Hey guys, I am switching over from the htc blackstone and have experienced with using roms cooked by chefs. However, I am a beginner when it comes to android and have a few questions regarding cooked roms.
How polished are the roms cooked by the major chefs here? Because when using roms cooked for winmo, each ones have irritating bugs that need to be reflashed constantly on a weekly basis.
Is the desire rom build still in its early beta stage?
Thanks guys!
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This is the exact reason I am NOT playing the rom flashing game with my Nexus One. **** got REAL old on Winmo
hello folks,
iam from germany so it'll be a long time before i get my hands on the evo or the droid x.
so today i read on engadget that android froyo and 2.1 are running stable on the hd2. what about the battery time, is it still an issue? is the android market working?
are there any benchmarks?
I am quit a "poweruser" so are these builds advanced enough for every day use?
thanks
Read this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=719646
mooooo2 said:
hello folks,
iam from germany so it'll be a long time before i get my hands on the evo or the droid x.
so today i read on engadget that android froyo and 2.1 are running stable on the hd2. what about the battery time, is it still an issue? is the android market working?
are there any benchmarks?
I am quit a "poweruser" so are these builds advanced enough for every day use?
thanks
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If you want android, get a native android phone. It will be a very long time before it runs as well on the hd2, if ever. There are still several functions not working and it's not nearly as stable as an android phone. It's running stable for a port this early in it's development, but it's still a work in progress. If you want a working android for everyday use now, you will want an android phone.
its not quite there but its getting there if you want android though just get the nexus but i would rather have the big screen and awesome hardware and wait for android because it will get there maybe a month or so
No, I don't believe android will ever be stable on a non-native device. Even on devices that have been developing android to work on them for years have not reached a point of "stability." When they say it's running stable, they mean the OS, not the phone functions. Just get a droid phone if you want droid.
mooooo2 said:
hello folks,
iam from germany so it'll be a long time before i get my hands on the evo or the droid x.
so today i read on engadget that android froyo and 2.1 are running stable on the hd2. what about the battery time, is it still an issue? is the android market working?
are there any benchmarks?
I am quit a "poweruser" so are these builds advanced enough for every day use?
thanks
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Buy the hp for what it is, I bought this phone knowing that it's what it is.
I would buy an Android with 5mp and above, with dual led light, 4.3" screen(this is addictive!), thin design, qwerty keyboard, hdmi out, above 512mb ram, Above 1g processor and lots more beyond mentioning.
But I bought a HD2. Smiles for now.
I'm optimistic about android on the Hd2. I think many people on here will run it as their main OS before the year is over. Since when are factory shipped operating systems so infallible? The shipped WM roms stink compared to the custom roms. In the end its is pointless to speculate on what may or may not happen. My recommendation is to buy the HD2 because it is the best WM phone ever with an exciting android port to play with.
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I'm optimistic about android on the Hd2. I think many people on here will run it as their main OS before the year is over. Since when are factory shipped operating systems so infallible? The shipped WM roms stink compared to the custom roms. In the end its is pointless to speculate on what may or may not happen. My recommendation is to buy the HD2 because it is the best WM phone ever with an exciting android port to play with.
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But he's not looking for the best winmo phone with an android port to play with.... he states he's an android "power user" that needs a very stable version of android with everything working. I'm amazed at how quickly they have got android working on the HD2 and how functional and stable they've got it... but it will be a longtime before it's as stable and functional as a native android phone and has the same battery life as an android phone (android ports are all notorious for having terrible battery lifes... power management is one the last things that get's completely working and stable). I've been playing with android ports for other winmo devices since the kaiser.... not one is completely functional or as stable as a native android phone. If your goal is to use android full-time, there's no point in buying a winmo device hoping it will run android stabily one day... get an android phone. Personally, I love both winmo and android, so I love having a powerful winmo device with an android port in development... it's exciting watching and playing with it as it progresses. But if you don't like winmo, the HD2 is not for you.
It seems that android has come to an end for the HD2. There hasn't been major updates in a long time. Not just NAND but lets say the Light sensor hasn't been fixed in any clean froyo builds or random freezes and crashes. In regards to NAND, there hasn't been much activity going on with porting it. I wonder y? could it be that the project just got too old and boring or is it because windows phone 7? in any case it seems to me that this project is slowly coming to an end and only a few chefs are starting to realize it (shubCRAFT, Hyperdroid) are no longer supported (which is due to personal reasons too) i understand that. Im not angry or venting just confirming it. should I sell my [email protected] to get a My touch 4g or a g2? at this point it seems better than waiting for android to work.
I am not trying to anger anyone I just wanted to hear some thoughts.
Im using MDJ FroYo Sense Clean and its stable, fast and the battery drainage is really ok, so i dont think "android for hd2 comes to an end", but "android for hd2 becomes nearly perfect". Sure WP7 is here, so xda-chefs are working for first ROM for HD2 , but i don't think Android-Development is stopped completely
I don't think it will be at an end for years.... but they have done most of the major stuff they can do. I dont think nand is really working as well as they hoped it would... it sounds like it may be slower than sd card. They're still working on it, though. Bugs will continue to be worked on, too.
What more did you expect out of a port? They've done an amazing job. You can't expect it to be as stable and smooth as a native android phone. I always said if you want to use android full-time, you're better off with a native android phone. But what other phone can run winmo and android this well. And its the best winmo phone out there. And there's a possibility of running meego and wp7. Its gonna be my phone of choice for a long time still.
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Very well said. I will never sell this phone for the mere fact that I can dual boot and the GPS on this thing is amazing. Way better than my Samsung Captivate.
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Android on the hd2 is already better than I ever expected it to be, so I'm happy. I use winmo when I need the phone to be stable and for certain apps... then when I'm playing around or want to use certain android apps I can boot into android in less than a minute. What more could I want. If they were still developing winmo phones, I'd still buy winmo phones... most new winmo phones eventually run android good enough to use any apps you want to use.
People who say the hd2 runs android better than native android phones always compare it to android phones still running stock roms without tweaks. If you tweak and customize a native android phone, it runs way better than a hd2 ever will... that's why if I wanted android full-time I'd get a native phone.
But I love the many options and possibilities the hd2 offers... and I still like winmo and the way I can customize it. Android runs good enough for me on it.... and you can't run winmo on an android phone.
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I fully agree with you. But I'm tired from winmo. I want to feel something new. Something undiscovered for me. Its something like a new car. But I've already bought hd2 and i don't want another phone. I just want android without Linux. I just want a fully based android for my phone.. so, can i get it anywhere?
Sorry for my bad English.
Greetings from Russia
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Do you mean NAND (Android without WM-loading)? There isnt a ROM yet, but stay tuned
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Do you mean NAND (Android without WM-loading)? There isnt a ROM yet, but stay tuned
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One Guy just told me about HTCClays SuperHD2 that he founded forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=768768 and it runs with minimal screenfreezes and a great battery life.
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Im using MDJ Froyo Sense and i have NO freezes and battery drainage is about 1%/hour
I think it'll be a big mistake to sell your HD2. It is probably be the best and most versatile Windows Mobile device ever built. One device able to run Windows Mobile, Android and very soon Windows Phone 7.
I'm currently been using Mdeejay Evosense 2.3 with hastarin kernel 7.8 and the latest pop wrapper currently being tested. For me android is 99% perfect and I've not had to boot back to Windows mobile in more than 2 weeks. The thing with these android builds is that you've got to try several till you find one which works for you. I tried 7 different builds before finding my current one.
However, we are all different and so you have to decide for yourself. If you feel you can't handle the various issues that are still being worked the, the maybe you should sell your HD2 and get a native android. I personally won't do that.
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oh come on guys. Gingerbread is right around the corner. That will boost interest again. I started with the G1. Interest in it didn't die until i got the HD2. The main reason i got the HD2 is because the G1 couldn't run 2.2 very well. That has been a few months now and I'm sure they got things running well on it. Seriously and they said that the G1 wouldn't run 2.1!! The difference between G1 and HD2 TONS! I honestly dont think there will be anything that android releases that the HD2 wont be able to run.
Granted they have slowed down big time with the releases of android OS but thats a good thing. They were launching stuff so quickly it didn't give the devs time to make stuff rock solid.
I read today that the nexus 1 dev phones will have 2.3 (gingerbread) pushed to them next week! I'm ready bring it on! I know the devs here will tackle it asap.
I fail to see how it is anywhere near the end of the road. Android as it stands now is more stable for me than WinMo ever was. The only slight detractor is battery life which is still not bad at all, I get 20-22 hours straight out of my battery which is only slightly worse than I get with WinMo (about 26 hours).
The reason there's little in the way of amazing, groundbreaking advances in Android is because there's very little left to do. The latest kernels are fantastic, battery life has improved greatly, reliability is amazing now, there's very little left that doesn't work or breaks. I cannot remember the last time I've had a force close, screen of death or anything else terminal, and I no longer boot into windows at all.
Most of the chefs and devs here have things called "personal lives" that require time, and while there's little left to do they are spending time concentrating on themselves. Give it a few weeks/months until gingerbread comes along and the scene will pick up again. In the mean time feel free to get hold of the tools yourself and see what you can do?
If your Android doesn't work properly when I personally have installed Android on about 8 Hd2's for myself and my friends and they never have any complaints then you should investigate why, not give up and sell your phone. That's half the challenge!
Greetings over there,
after testing some Androids on my hd2 and recognizing that NAND Flash is now available it would be nice to know if there is an bugfree reliable release out worth to flash and long term trust in. Actually I use Froyo HD adaption from Desire HD, and I really like it, if there wouldnt be a problem, making me sound very bad in phone calls to the other side which I just know from my first tested release which also was a froyo I think.
Thx for your hints,
Its a great resource over here!
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Tytung's Nexus 1.9b release is VERY stable. He really puts a lot of effort into his builds. I havent had any issues and I have been using his builds for a while now...I think a lot of others will agree. It isnt sense though.
go over to the nand forum section and check the changelogs
but there is a desire z build in the sd forum section that is nand i liked it very much had no problems, just one reboot and perfect. i would check the desire z nand build out first cuz it is lighter and faster than hd builds
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Tytung's Nexus 1.9b release is VERY stable. He really puts a lot of effort into his builds. I havent had any issues and I have been using his builds for a while now...I think a lot of others will agree. It isnt sense though.
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It seems very difficult to keep sight on which builds will be best for what you want. Isn't it amazing how many ROMs have been published in the past 12 days, and how many of those have been updated (some: multiple times) since their first presentation.
Personally I wouldn't mind if the number of releases would be halved, when the number of 'this or that is'nt working' reports would halve as well.....
Tytung's Nexus 1.9b is really stable. Had used it since release and its perfect.
You should take a look on this build, really..
But i like playing around with the phone, so i installed Gingerbread from mdj
For daily use i would use the Nexus 1.9b.
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It seems very difficult to keep sight on which builds will be best for what you want. Isn't it amazing how many ROMs have been published in the past 12 days, and how many of those have been updated (some: multiple times) since their first presentation.
Personally I wouldn't mind if the number of releases would be halved, when the number of 'this or that is'nt working' reports would halve as well.....
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Exactly. You got the / my point!
It's relly amazing how much developement is done. But it becomes more and more difficult to decide for a build. I need to use a release for atleast a week to know if it is reliable enough. Some have instable internet, some bad speech quality, on some the cam hung up... and I started to test in october, when most major bugs were fixed.
Maybe some review / documentation / moderation is needed. Is there an easy way to make a poll where everyone can insert release name and vote on some options like cam / i-net / phonequal. / speed overall / etc. ? I will have a look for smth. in this way.
I will give Tytung's Nexus 1.9b a try. As long as I just have to rename my old Android folder everything is fine. But that is also the biggest problem with NAND releases... you need to backup evereything instead of renaming, quite annoying if you get a bug that forces you to flash back (btw ).
For me the most important is a always working internet connection and good speech quality. (what else these phones are really made for)
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/10/ice-cream-sandwich-ported-onto-the-nexus-one/
That means, we can get the Nexus One port to our phones, the beloved HD2!
cant wait to use it on tytungs build
Looking forward to it.
Hope we'll celebrate X-mas with ICS on HD2!
Not sure if I really want this on my HD2 - don't get me wrong but if HD2 will be choppy that was the one of the big reasons I went with HD2 itself and moved away from WinMo 6.5... Now, just to get new stuff I have to deal with choppiness (unless it is customized and tuned up fairly nicely so it is a smooth operator) - then yes... :L)
Well, it's exciting news, but after reading up on user experience from the hand ons during the event I am in no haste to upgrade. Obviously they still have time to release, it's work in progress and, I think Engadget editors, identified at least 4 different software builds which had different components broken/working.
Any of these ROM's will use that work in progress as their base. I guess what I'm trying to say is even if the port of the ROM is somehow perfect day one (which always takes time), the ROM itself will still be mighty buggy.
On a sidenote, I only joined Android post 2.3 so I can't talk about earlier releases, or whether past history is even relevant, but I somehow doubt that even Google can make the 4.0 ROM anywhere near as stable as 2.3.5 is at the moment. There is still time, though not much, and I'm really doubtful I will even want to use 4.0 as my main ROM. I hope I'm wrong or at least a 4.0.1 will get released within two/three weeks and make ICS reliable.
That is why, for now, we can use an ICS theme/reskin for our stable Gingerbread and make it feel almost like the real thing, but without the instability