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Hey guys,
Sorry for this "noob"ish post. I am new to the Fascinate after being with T-Mo for 2 years, which included a G1 (running CyanMod) and a Nexus One (which also ran CyanMod). I am just hoping one of you would mind giving me a quick 2 minute catch up on where things are now with the Fascinate, as there is way too much on these forums to realistically sift through. I have some basic questions...
1)I have noticed root is good and all that. I would assume rooting is all you need to get free wireless tethering? What program do you use to wireless tether once you are rooted?
2)I keep seeing something about "lagfix". What is that? My phone doesn't seem laggy, except for all the bloatware Verizon has put on it. So any info is appreciated.
3)I'm not crazy about the stock 2.1 ROM. Are there any good custom 2.2 ROMs yet? What is generally the best ROM for the Fascinate? On the Nexus, argue as much as you want, CyanMod was far and away the best ROM. But it seems like there is no CyanMod for Fascinates. So what are my best choices?
4)Is there anything else I should know moving to this phone?
I really appreciate anyone taking the time to answer these, as I know these types of threads are not the most popular thing on here. I want to get "in the know" with my new phone, but there is already so much on these forums, it's hard to tell what is still new and relevant and what is not. Thanks guys!
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Hey guys,
Sorry for this "noob"ish post. I am new to the Fascinate after being with T-Mo for 2 years, which included a G1 (running CyanMod) and a Nexus One (which also ran CyanMod). I am just hoping one of you would mind giving me a quick 2 minute catch up on where things are now with the Fascinate, as there is way too much on these forums to realistically sift through. I have some basic questions...
1)I have noticed root is good and all that. I would assume rooting is all you need to get free wireless tethering? What program do you use to wireless tether once you are rooted?
2)I keep seeing something about "lagfix". What is that? My phone doesn't seem laggy, except for all the bloatware Verizon has put on it. So any info is appreciated.
3)I'm not crazy about the stock 2.1 ROM. Are there any good custom 2.2 ROMs yet? What is generally the best ROM for the Fascinate? On the Nexus, argue as much as you want, CyanMod was far and away the best ROM. But it seems like there is no CyanMod for Fascinates. So what are my best choices?
4)Is there anything else I should know moving to this phone?
I really appreciate anyone taking the time to answer these, as I know these types of threads are not the most popular thing on here. I want to get "in the know" with my new phone, but there is already so much on these forums, it's hard to tell what is still new and relevant and what is not. Thanks guys!
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Also a G1 and N1 owner. Be happy to help.
1) Wireless tethering is accomplished by myself without issue via Wireless tether app on the market. It's under the radar so to speak, but required an ad hoc connection
2) The correct lagfix is the voodoo lag fix, with the informative posts being found on the first page of this forum. Basically, Samsung used an older file system in their build, and voodoo updates it to ext4, which is alot snappier on the r/w side of things. Without it, you will encounter a slowing of your processes after a period of uptime, and usually a small freeze while the phone does things like install applications. The flip is that voodoo instructions should be read very closely, and adhered to. Failure to do so will result in phone borkage, and while always fixable, takes some time and patience to do so.
If you are unfamiliar with Odin, as I was at first, make damn sure you always use the PDA option. Failure to do so can result in terminal frustration, and possibly a close to true brick of the device.
3) There are no 2.2 ROMs yet. The Froyo OTA should hit between now and Christmas hopefully. I would like to think we will see some custom 2.2 ROMs, and maybe a CM port by the 1st. In the meanwhile there are several ROMs on this board which seem to work for the people who use them. I'm a proponent of stripping and customizing stock to suit your needs, making your ROM your own. I haven't seen enough included hacks in the available ROMs to warrant a need for them personally. We have some excellent kernels available, and some pretty slick themes and mods, which works well for me.
4) The phone has the best processor/gpu out currently. The display is fantastic, and I don't see a better device on the market currently. It does have downsides, most notably the GPS, which isn't a huge issue for me, but which also has a fix on the way, presumably to be included in the 2.2 update. I also have experienced a shortage in the Wifi reception comparative to my N1, having approx. half the range I previously enjoyed. This seems to me to be software related, so I assume it will be addressable.
If you plan to root and mod, especially if you plan to use voodoo, which I highly recommend, be careful in your reading of instructions and applications of procedures outlined in them. As great as this phone is, mistakes are costly in terms of confusion and time to correct.
Thanks for the reply. Im always impatient, and as such, have already rooted before even waiting for a first response I used the one click method though and it worked great, exactly as advertised. Root Explorer works, so I definitely am good there, and I snagged the latest build of wireless tether from the developer's page.
Now I need to get started with actually switching out the ROM. I really want all the VZ bloatware gone and Bing needs to go as well. So now I guess I have some reading to do on installing ROMs for this phone. Process seems a little more complex for this phone that it was for my N1, but that may be just because it was so long ago and I don't remember. Thanks for the response though!
I am in a similar boat I use the Droid 1 and my fascinate is at the post office waiting for me per usps tracking
I think for now I will root remove bloatware and Bing and role with that till 2.2 maybe touchwiz aswell as I hear u can save ram that way and I paid for launcher pro so might aswell use it.
Yea, from what I've read, it sounds like putting a new ROM on is kind of pointless, since it won't be 2.2 anyway. So I think I just need some good instructions for this voodoo/lagfix stuff and some good instructions for removing all the vzn bloatware that comes installed. Once I do those two things, I think I'll be good. I am already running ADW, which I love, so I don't need any customization there, and wireless tether seems great. So I guess I just need to continue searching. There are lots of topics on the voodoo/lagfix thing on here, but I just want to make sure I find the most complete comprehensive set so I dont screw anything up
I'm somewhat of a new member, but have silently read through these forums for months... I used Dirks d02 sv1200kernal and the voodoo lag fix, I have been very happy with my phone since. I have been reading about the roms right now and don't see a point just yet. Freeze the bloatware from verizon and you will love your phone. Also have switched to LPPlus and think my phone operates so smooth!
I just received my fascinate friday, best buy sucked me in, lol, and I have no regrets. This phone is amazing, better than my d1 and d2. I too had a lot of the same questions about the lagfix and what not and would just like to say thanks, this thread def helped me understand. Can't wait until 2.2 roms
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Yea, from what I've read, it sounds like putting a new ROM on is kind of pointless, since it won't be 2.2 anyway. So I think I just need some good instructions for this voodoo/lagfix stuff and some good instructions for removing all the vzn bloatware that comes installed. Once I do those two things, I think I'll be good. I am already running ADW, which I love, so I don't need any customization there, and wireless tether seems great. So I guess I just need to continue searching. There are lots of topics on the voodoo/lagfix thing on here, but I just want to make sure I find the most complete comprehensive set so I dont screw anything up
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I posted on replacing the stock launcher with ADW or LP, as well as a couple lists of what is safe to remove. It's easy enough. I'm mobile our I would link the threads, but the replacement of bing its also covered in a post that includes some zips that will help.
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I'm somewhat of a new member, but have silently read through these forums for months... I used Dirks d02 sv1200kernal and the voodoo lag fix, I have been very happy with my phone since. I have been reading about the roms right now and don't see a point just yet. Freeze the bloatware from verizon and you will love your phone. Also have switched to LPPlus and think my phone operates so smooth!
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What is LPPlus? Is it worthwhile/simple to do?
To everyone else, I am glad I was not the only other one on the fence. XDA can be a bit scary sometimes, because you don't wanna ask something dumb/"noob"ish, but at the same time, if you haven't been there since the beginning, playing catch up can be hard. I will say everyone in the Fascinate threads has been nice and really helpful so far. I am slowly working through getting my phone the way I want it. Its just a shame that Verizon has to mess up the phone with all this garbage. I dont care much for the iPhone (design or software), but the one thing they do right, which comes at the cost of being "closed", is that they can dictate the user experience right out of the box. Unfortunately a lot of people are just too timid or incapable of doing the things we do to our phones to get them "right". Its a shame too, because people base their opinions on what Android the phone company gives you rather than what it can truly be. Regardless, I appreciate everyone's help and look forward to being a part of this community. I work IT at a school, so I know my way around a PC, but I wish I just knew more about Android coding and how phones work to be a true contributor to ROMs, etc. At least I know I helped a few people by speaking up and creating this thread. Thanks again everyone!!!
Edit: Im putting this in as an edit, but I just realized that LPPlus is probably Launcher Pro Plus. Have you used ADW? Is there a difference? What do you see as its advantages over ADW?
I personally (and i think most of us here would agree) don't have a problem with anyone asking "dumb" questions, if they haven't already been answered. the main issue is that most of the new posts are either "I didn't read the instructions and F*ed up my phone", "hey i heard this crazy rumor it must be true", "Can someone explain the same thing there are already 6 other topics about" and "how can we take X from this other phone and use it on mine". your questions are understandable and asking questions before you jump in saves a lot of headaches from having to fix something you tried without understanding it. and honestly, no need to be afraid to ask anything, worst case scenario someone like me *****es at you over the internet. who cares. =)
This comment on twitter should be all you need to know to avoid buying the premium version of Rom Manager if you own a Samsung Fascinate
http://twitter.com/#!/clockworkmod/status/41727966463393792
Just posting a warning, if you are going to choose to support a Dev with an app purchase, there are other options.
I thought some devs here dont even care about rm due to the guy whos in charge never getting back to them. (hence the reason why i wont buy the premium)
The devs don't care. And the devs have fixed the recovery (multiple times).
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I thought some devs here dont even care about rm due to the guy whos in charge never getting back to them. (hence the reason why i wont buy the premium)
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"the guy in charge" is the guy that made the tweet. Our devs are right. Avoid RM.
Too bad i paid for this when i had my D1.
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I hope someone develops a competing application to knock him out of the market. It shouldnt be too hard considering the terrible attitude that guy has towards support.
for all your fascinate flashing needs:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=942021
What a jackass. Snotty "I got my money" attitude combined with a totally ignorant attack on the guys who fixed his screwups months ago.
With the new CWM Red, you really don't need to use ROM Manager. It's just a pretty little interface. Everything you need can be DLed and Installed through CWM
Since, Someone has already started this on XDA. I guess i will just have to add to it so I don't make another thread that will be considered pointless and will go unread. This isn't intended to be trolling or anything, since I am giving positive reviews also. Also, if you have anything to say about it, you can either pm here or you can get on IRC and say something there, I am on there as "error"
This is in response to everyone over the whole Koush/Rom Manager issue going on right now. I am going to list some pros/cons of this whole thing going on.
Pros:
This App was easy to use and even noobs could figure it out, which was a great thing because you are new to a phone and you don't know where to go to get support over your phone(XDA, IRC, etc) then you are left there wondering what you can/can't do.
Different features that give you pretty much a full customization. You could go through everything and flash whatever you wanted, it was right there for you.
Users loved Rom Manager, they absolutely loved being able to do the things they could through it.
Starting out, there was a good amount of support behind the App. Which support will get you far with anyone, because you take the time out to help people.
Cons:
Lack of Support.
Lack of Updates.
Lack of Communication.
Lack of a Good Attitude towards those that have already paid out money to support the creator.
I gave 4 pros/cons...I am sure there are way more for each side of this, as I am sure there is also words that would need to be said, but could also probably get me in some trouble. But, everyone seems to be getting really frustrated at the lack of support now, maybe its just the Fascinate side of things. But, the way it is looking, he doesn't like some of the devs, so he could careless what is said/done with RM for our phone. Maybe I am not making a lick of sense at all and people are scratching their head and wondering why I am even putting this. But, I know some people will agree with some if not most of my points I have made.
Rom Manager is lacking a lot right now and when some of us do try to get support for the phone, we get the cold shoulder from the creator of the app. So either, stop supporting us period...or someone can make a new Manager for us and support us better. We have given our money and paid our dues, we just want our support is all.
i think folks should leave nasty grams on the market. hit that jackass where it hurts.
gunnermike said:
i think folks should leave nasty grams on the market. hit that jackass where it hurts.
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Great idea, done.
Eh, he made up with jt at least.
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Eh, he made up with jt at least.
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yeah, well he hasnt made up with the rest of us.
He needs to patch his public image. He insulted every Fascinate user out there.
thank you
What a pile
Rocking dj05, themed superdark w/o swype mod, voodoo 5, with custom boot and shutdown..
What other phones is he discontinuing support? .. We need to go to their phone section and invite them to get in on this spamming of horrible comments in the marketplace.. And maybe invite in other forums too.. Like android forums
Rocking dj05, themed superdark w/o swype mod, voodoo 5, with custom boot and shutdown..
adrynalyne said:
He needs to patch his public image. He insulted every Fascinate user out there.
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Agreed, i'll second that any day.
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So, my son decided to throw my Droid X into his bath. Yup, goner. So now I own a Fascinate.
Whats the scoup on this phone guys? Tuff to mess with as far as ROM's and Themes? Yes, I plan on doing many long nights of regrading to "catch up" on this phone but thought id ask anyways.
I want to thank you all in advanced for the learning's of this phone I expect to get from this forum
Aaron
this thread has a nice run down of all customs and kernels currently available for the Fascinate.
I personally find Superclean and Blackhole to be the 2 best choices for a daily ROM at this point.
As far as kernels go, any of the source built kernels are great. Just pick the one that is best suited to your wants/needs
Things to keep an eye on are Kaoscinate and JT's ASOP build. Once these have a few more fixes they may very well be better than SC.
Keep in mind its rather tough to fully brick this phone but that's not to say that you can't create MAJOR headaches for yourself. Always make sure you are flashing something for the VERIZON Fascinate and not the Telus or i9000.
Make sure you download odin as well. Its saved me countless times from bricking my phone.
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Linked you some good reading material and useful threads.
[WALKTHROUGHS 3/9/11] Rooting, Clockwork, Voodoo, Froyo and Custom ROMs, Battery, etc
[Guide] [3/22/11] Complete Guide to recover your Fascinate from any Error.
[ODIN] Odin Superclean files
[RECOVERY] Updated ClockworkMod for ALL ROMs
As always, XDA members are amazing! Thanks guys. I actually odin'd to 2.2.3 last night (Debloated/Deodexed Froyo Leak+root+Froyo Clockworkmod).
Just need to learn where I can go from here.
Again, thanks guys!
I'm not totally sure which files you flashed but there's a good chance that Superclean/Blackhole use a newer leak and are a bit better. If you are happy with what you have so far however....
From here, you can try:
1. A custom kernel will allow you to use Backlight notification which is nice if you are used to having an LED. They also allow for undervolting and/or overclocking. Use a market app like BLN to control it once you have the kernel installed
2. There's a number of themes available though many of them are tied to Superclean and I'm not sure if they will run on any Touchwiz based leak.
3. Another thing to look into would be voodoo. The biggest thing in Voodoo is the "lagfix" which converts the filesystem from RFS to ext4 which gives a bit of a preformance boost. The custom kernels now have voodoo sound and color enhancements as well.
Made sure to "thank" you all.
Good stuff, but wow is this all different than my Droid X was. All new "lingo" and all. Oh well, I love to learn so we'll see how it goes.
Damn, my first issue. Did a backup without fail. However, im trying to flash a Kernal and when I get into Stock recovery I go to "apply sdcard:update.zip". Which use to get me into CWM. Now it wont, gives me the exclamation point. Interesting...
I suggest reflashing the new cwm posted by jt.
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I suggest reflashing the new cwm posted by jt.
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I did, still cant get into it.
Good to go, flashed another version and im good to go.
What link is 2.2.3 found I'm on superclean2.9.2 with 2.2.1
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Welcome to the Fascinate! I went through the same learning curve, and love Superclean. Can't wait for more and hope that we don't lose too much with all these new phones coming out. But I'm loving the phone. How do you like it vs. the X?
Put the dx in a bag of dry rice for a couple of days might end up with 2 phones.
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For rooting, rims and themes. The DX was fun and easy. Fascinate seems simple to a degree...just a learning curve. Much lighter phone and the screen clarity is far better than the DX.
Tried the rice trick. Even put it in our temp chamber at my company and got every ounce if moisture out of the phone. You'd never know it was totally emerged in water.
Am I correct in saying the Fascinate Dev community usnt as strong as most newer phones?
It's been a bit slow here due to VZW dragging their feet on the 2.2 update and lack of source until recently.
However, we recently got the kernel source so stuff has been really picking up. We have a ton of new kernels that have dropped over the last week and I would expect to see something similar for ROMS when the full source releases.
We have a bunch of great devs and many who are working behind the scenes to get us CM6 and CM7. Maybe the quantity of releases is a bit less, but the quality is undoubtedly there. Also, typically devs here don't just release a ROM because it's been rethemed/reskinned as happens on some other phones. Here, they are released as themes which can be flashed on top of the actual ROM.
Oh and a full EC10 ROM released today. I haven't tried it yet but it looks promising.
Im thinking I would have to agree. I flashed nitsuj17's ginger rom last night. Its great. I have to say the screen on this Fascinate kills the Droid X by leaps and bounds. I ran a movie (megamind) last night on it. Having flashed voodoo...WOW!! Amazing clarity.
I'm for sure sold on this phone. And quality ROMS over quantity is so far a great way to approach this phone.
Thanks for your input.
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Im thinking I would have to agree. I flashed nitsuj17's ginger rom last night. Its great. I have to say the screen on this Fascinate kills the Droid X by leaps and bounds. I ran a movie (megamind) last night on it. Having flashed voodoo...WOW!! Amazing clarity.
I'm for sure sold on this phone. And quality ROMS over quantity is so far a great way to approach this phone.
Thanks for your input.
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I am exactly the same boat as you. Returned the droid x for a fascinate.... This phone is amazing!
How did you get megamind on your phone?
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How did you get megamind on your phone?
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Ripped it to about 800mb. Threw it on the SD card.
Also, check out Allshare (should be preinstalled on stock and Superclean). It's pretty damn neat to stream stuff off of your PC to your phone.
http://www.androidcentral.com/sometimes-root-isn’t-answer
This should be stickied in every android forum here. Im not rooted, and i totally agree with this post.
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just being able to run ad blocker for games is enough reason for me
I think this all boils down to 2 things:
1) patience
2) intentions
You have to read up and study about rooting. Even though geniuses here and in other places have made it so relatively easy, no amount of relative ease will help someone who isn't detail-oriented, logical and methodical.
But the 2nd bit, intentions, is even more important. Rooting for its own sake is just stupid. In my case, I needed it for a reason never necessary for my old Touch Pro: roaming. On the TP, all I needed to do was install a CAB file. On Android and Sprint, root access was needed. All the other things I can do while rooted are just gravy. Mighty delicious and addicting gravy, but nevertheless gravy. ^_^
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http://www.androidcentral.com/sometimes-root-isn’t-answer
This should be stickied in every android forum here. Im not rooted, and i totally agree with this post.
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While I agree with the post, I am not sure you read it, it doesn't exactly agree with what you, it just talks about why people who aren't tech-savvy shouldn't do something that could potentially brick their phone just to do it.
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While I agree with the post, I am not sure you read it, it doesn't exactly agree with what you, it just talks about why people who aren't tech-savvy shouldn't do something that could potentially brick their phone just to do it.
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I did read it. And I payed attention. Lol. What I meant to say was, that this is one of the reasons I haven't rooted, I'm not good enough with pc's to do it. And even if I did manage to root succesfully, I wouldn't dare try flashing things and such. I'm all for making this phone better, but only with the things I'm comfortable with. When I upgrade to another phone in the future, I might start messin with this one for the experience, then I might do it on my current phone, whatever it may be.
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I personally don't *need* root. It does make a few things possible that I find useful, such as a permanent minfree mod, being able to store a few pictures in the system space for use as homescreen icons that don't take forever to show up after the phone boots, and actually replacing system apps with upgrades rather than taking up space on my data partition. I could easily survive without those things.
I completely agree that there are people that should not root, should not run custom roms, etc., and I see them regularly here and elsewhere. Much like that article says, they are not (necessarily) stupid, they just don't have the proper mindset.
When I see people posting things like "I don't see update.zip, I just see update" I cringe and start thinking that there should be a computer competency exam necessary to allow even the minimal "hacking" involved in things like rooting and roms.
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When I see people posting things like "I don't see update.zip, I just see update" I cringe and start thinking that there should be a computer competency exam necessary to allow even the minimal "hacking" involved in things like rooting and roms.
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Make it happen lol
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+1 on the part about benchmarks. Maybe my usage is just minimal and simplistic compared to those who do it, but I just cannot understand why people benchmark phones (except maybe for graphical benchmarks to see what gaming performance might be like) or try to overclock from 1ghz to 1.2 or even 1.4 ghz. I just don't understand exactly what the point is, when the phone is (generally) fast enough to begin with.
Because you can.........
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+1 on the part about benchmarks. Maybe my usage is just minimal and simplistic compared to those who do it, but I just cannot understand why people benchmark phones (except maybe for graphical benchmarks to see what gaming performance might be like) or try to overclock from 1ghz to 1.2 or even 1.4 ghz. I just don't understand exactly what the point is, when the phone is (generally) fast enough to begin with.
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Why buy a sports car? I mean a Corolla is fast enough for most use. Why get a 6 core desktop with 32gigabytes of RAM?
The real question is: If you want it then why not?
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I agree with the post. My wife is perfectly happy with her phone stock. Not me. I like to try new stuff and play around.
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I've helped plenty of people out who had no idea what they were doing now they edit xmls and smali on the regular. What some people need is a one on one in something like an irc so they can be reassured after each step and after the first round of flashing their comfort level and confidence greatly improve. To most people with these phones this is the first time they ever did any computer related mods in their life but they don't necessarily need to wrote off as to dumb to root
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Why buy a sports car? I mean a Corolla is fast enough for most use. Why get a 6 core desktop with 32gigabytes of RAM?
The real question is: If you want it then why not?
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Well I kind of understand what you're saying, but I don't really agree with your analogies. The car one is harder to fit because a lot of people buy sports cars for the look or the name, or whatever other features here and there that the Corrolla may not have. Even still, driving habits, location and so may other factors play into whether to get a sports car or a cheap sedan like the Corolla.
Overclocking your phone doesn't really compare because we're talking about taking what we already have (Corolla, sports car, or otherwise) and then modifying it for what is usally a minimum increase in performance. If your car has a 300 hp engine and you upgrade it to 350 hp, but don't drive it any differently than when you had 300 hp, what was the point of upgrading it?
And idk who has 32gb of RAM for regular desktop use, but most people who overclock their PC's can see a finite, tangible increase in performance. I'm on syndicaterom 1.1.0 which can scale up to 1.3 ghz. However, I would never notice the difference between 1 ghz and 1.3 ghz because 1 ghz is already more than fast enough for all of the things I do on my phone, and more than likely for the things that most, if not all people do on their phones. Most of the time, it seems like it's more for the theory and bragging rights. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I just don't see why people overclock and then benchmark their phones for non-gaming applications. To each his own I suppose.
Um. Tethering mostly. And also titanium backup.
Ill be it. I'm NOT a computer genius but imnot an idiot. I can root and whatever just fine and things work out eventually. So that's good. Still want to do ec05 and genocide 1.0 though... but yeah..
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Yeah... The author of that editorial should say that to the Indulge users' faces.
Lol, did he really say this should be stickied on every android forum here?? Oh no he didn't! That's like telling every Puerto rican that his Stock Honda Civic is fine the way it is, lol. Is that not what this forum is all about?? This is XDA Developers right? This is about developing new ideas for these devices that we feel are needed, wanted, or just for fun. These devices are capable of so much more than just stock gives us and we are here to unlock those possibilties. Guess what, a lot of these depend on root, or gaining Superuser permissions. The guy who wrote the arcticle sounded to me like he was just tired of noobs not paying attention or studying before the exam.
The rooting process really can't get any easier. If you could read instructions, download a file and find a button on your keyboard you can root. The problems are caused after you take the wheel of the rooted device and aren't educated enough on how to drive it after you turn off autopilot! But that's why these wonderful forums are here right?
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That's like telling every Puerto rican that his Stock Honda Civic is fine the way it is, lol.
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The joys of racial stereotypes. You're a class act.
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The joys of racial stereotypes. You're a class act.
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You have no idea how many times I have had to bite my tongue on this forum... like the kids these days sayin 'no homo', they might as well add 'yes homophobe'. that and the 1488's in usernames... I just try to keep my mouth shut (completely contradictory to my nature) unless someone is using that ignorance in a way that needs to be addressed. The above statement is such, even if you are puerto rican, nobody knows that here on the interwebs... so you could be reinforcing racism in one of the impressionable kids here, when the only impression that should be made is a boot on the racists head.
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Well here is the thing..the article mentions the Thunderbolt..and HTC is stepping it up taking things more annoying...for us though we got Odin, which is pretty good and simple at being a backup tool...
If a user is inexperienced and is afraid to mess up I just point them to EB13 tool and then update.zip to EC05 and they are back to normal...
That said out of curiosity..has anyone ever bricked their epic rooting? I mean I know on other phones rooting can brick...but I'v heard many people messing up and never heard of anyone bricking...but maybe I missed something...anyone see someone brick just by rooting?
Spot on
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I've helped plenty of people out who had no idea what they were doing now they edit xmls and smali on the regular. What some people need is a one on one in something like an irc so they can be reassured after each step and after the first round of flashing their comfort level and confidence greatly improve. To most people with these phones this is the first time they ever did any computer related mods in their life but they don't necessarily need to wrote off as to dumb to root
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Good reply Dreams,thats how i feel live and learn.
I have walked many people through rooting the epic the first time.
Now they are more advanced, and the community is better for it.
Well last night I cracked the screen on my Droid X, So this morning I woke up and realized that I had to buy a new phone.
I went searching the xda Forums for a phone that still had active Development going for it, but a phone that wasn't too expensive. SOOOOOOOOo I decided on the Droid Incredible! (found one in new condition for $95) I'm very impressed with the STILL active development on the DInc, Considering the Droid X is Newer, and development tapered off well before last Christmas... There hasn't been a good rom released for the X in MONTHS!
I'm not new by any means to the rooted/Rom'd community, and I'm more than Positive that I can share a lot of good input.
So if any dev's need help/testers, etc, LET ME KNOW!
So tell me guys - What rom/kernal tweaks/themes/radio mods should I start with?
Theres TOO many for me to decide on my own!
Thanks!
CM7 with incredikernel.
Or if you want it to be a little fancy with less tweaking and work involved, go MIUI and incrediknerel.
ICS is available, but doesn't run as well as the GB ROM's do.
Yeah I'm not too crazy about ICS myself, Is everything working on CM7 for the DInc?
How about performance? FC's or laggy scrolling?
Because on the X we never had Camera, Gps, Etc., and The only way to get past laggy scrolling was to OC/OV, which still Killed your battery in half a day lol
and then on CM9 We had some crazy bugs like being stuck in landscape mode which I CANNOT STAND
Thanks for the Starting point though!
internecinehigh said:
Yeah I'm not too crazy about ICS myself, Is everything working on CM7 for the DInc?
How about performance? FC's or laggy scrolling?
Because on the X we never had Camera, Gps, Etc., and The only way to get past laggy scrolling was to OC/OV, which still Killed your battery in half a day lol
and then on CM9 We had some crazy bugs like being stuck in landscape mode which I CANNOT STAND
Thanks for the Starting point though!
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everything will work. you can even undervolt, i usually make it ~16 hours on the stock battery
Welcome! I think you'll find that the X and Dinc are two entirely different experiences haha many of those issues you mentioned on the X are non-existent for most roms here.
SlimSnoopOS said:
Welcome! I think you'll find that the X and Dinc are two entirely different experiences haha many of those issues you mentioned on the X are non-existent for most roms here.
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Yeah, as I'm reading thru the forum posts, I'm starting to realize this lol.
To start with, the X had a Locked Kernal, which is probably the reason why the development tapered off so fast
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everything will work. you can even undervolt, i usually make it ~16 hours on the stock battery
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With little/moderate/heavy use?
For my X to last that long, I would literally have to turn off GPS, Wifi, Data, Background data, Auto sync, etc lol
Basically what I'm saying is that I'm very impressed with everything I'm reading about the Incredible
If you are thinking about CM7 and want a more stable, smoother, more optimized ROM for Dinc, and also don't want the hassles of chasing nightlies, try "inc-deck-gingerbread."
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1119857
It's a CM7 clone... that is better than the official one from CM. The only real difference, as far as features, is that inc-deck comes with a vanilla launcher, instead of ADW launcher like CM has. Just install the launcher of your choice, if you don't want vanilla. I like Go launcher EX.
Incredikernel is what I use also.
mods (ones that I remember at least)
ext4 for all... normal data version
v6 supercharger... balanced
internecinehigh said:
With little/moderate/heavy use?
For my X to last that long, I would literally have to turn off GPS, Wifi, Data, Background data, Auto sync, etc lol
Basically what I'm saying is that I'm very impressed with everything I'm reading about the Incredible
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the inc is about a 1000x's better for hacking then all verizon motorola phones combined. lol. and give the latest cm7 nightly a try with the newest incredikernel. i can link you to ext4 mods, v6 supercharger and adrenalyne shot too.
Thanks for all the input guys, I've been learning a lot from these posts!
I used v6 Supercharger for a while with my X, but stopped using it because I never stayed on 1 rom for more than a couple days at a time and got so sick of setting it up every day lol.
I could just never find a rom that I could settle with because they all had their problems...
So other than OC/UV, what else are the benefits from IncrediKernal?
Also, My phone hasn't arrived yet, So I don't know which version of android or HBoot is on it yet, But is there anything In specific that I need to look for or that I need to know before I start to root?
And, with the X, We had what we called an "SBF", which basically was an un-brick for our phones. If our phones ever bricked or bootlooped after flashing anything, we just plugged our phones into the computer, booted into recovery mode, and "SBF'ed" back to stock. And basically, our phones went right back to stock, unrooted, bloated Froyo or Gingerbread, and we had a 2.3.340 file for Froyo that we could flash, and a 2.3.602 Gingerbread File.
So is there anything like that the Dinc?
Thanks again guys!
This is the kind of community that I was wishing the DX community was, and now I'm glad I'm gonna be apart of the Dinc Forums!
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Thanks for all the input guys, I've been learning a lot from these posts!
I used v6 Supercharger for a while with my X, but stopped using it because I never stayed on 1 rom for more than a couple days at a time and got so sick of setting it up every day lol.
I could just never find a rom that I could settle with because they all had their problems...
So other than OC/UV, what else are the benefits from IncrediKernal?
Also, My phone hasn't arrived yet, So I don't know which version of android or HBoot is on it yet, But is there anything In specific that I need to look for or that I need to know before I start to root?
And, with the X, We had what we called an "SBF", which basically was an un-brick for our phones. If our phones ever bricked or bootlooped after flashing anything, we just plugged our phones into the computer, booted into recovery mode, and "SBF'ed" back to stock. And basically, our phones went right back to stock, unrooted, bloated Froyo or Gingerbread, and we had a 2.3.340 file for Froyo that we could flash, and a 2.3.602 Gingerbread File.
So is there anything like that the Dinc?
Thanks again guys!
This is the kind of community that I was wishing the DX community was, and now I'm glad I'm gonna be apart of the Dinc Forums!
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well, its REALLY REALLY and i stress REALLLLLLLY hard to brick an incredible. the only way i know of is pulling battery while flashing radios or double flashing them. most stuff is recoverable via a RUU. ive never had to use one personally, because i dont ever mess with radios. but here is the website where all the hboots, sbf's and stuff are found.
http://pvillecomp.com/
I must say we have been a tight knit community since release date. Also:
Droid X: SBF = Droid Incredible: RUU
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I must say we have been a tight knit community since release date. Also:
Droid X: SBF = Droid Incredible: RUU
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I love this phone and this (ever shrinking) incredible community. I will not upgrade for anything and will shed a tear the day my incredible dies.
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I love this phone and this (ever shrinking) incredible community. I will not upgrade for anything and will shed a tear the day my incredible dies.
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lmao I can already tell you guys are gonna be a great group to work with, expect to hear A LOT from me
Thanks for the insight on the whole SBF/RUU deal
I'm familiar with ADB from my first two android phones, but NEVER used ADB once with my DX, so I'm a little rusty. Should I be worried about setting up my SDK and what not before I get my phone just to get it out of the way? or no?
Also, I was reading about Downgrading to S-off, and obviously I don't know what version of Android is on my Incredible until I get it, but is downgrading completely necessary for Root/Rom?
I'm guessing you guys also flash .zip's thru clockwork or rom manager?
I briefly had a samsung Fascinate that used Voodoo recovery instead of clockwork, Is why I ask.
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CM7 with incredikernel.
Or if you want it to be a little fancy with less tweaking and work involved, go MIUI and incrediknerel.
ICS is available, but doesn't run as well as the GB ROM's do.
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Agreed, CM7 with incredikernel. Stable & rock solid, so many customizations available. Tried out just about every ROM after getting bored of CM7, and always end up coming back before days end. Nothing better for this phone in my opinion.
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lmao I can already tell you guys are gonna be a great group to work with, expect to hear A LOT from me
Thanks for the insight on the whole SBF/RUU deal
I'm familiar with ADB from my first two android phones, but NEVER used ADB once with my DX, so I'm a little rusty. Should I be worried about setting up my SDK and what not before I get my phone just to get it out of the way? or no?
Also, I was reading about Downgrading to S-off, and obviously I don't know what version of Android is on my Incredible until I get it, but is downgrading completely necessary for Root/Rom?
I'm guessing you guys also flash .zip's thru clockwork or rom manager?
I briefly had a samsung Fascinate that used Voodoo recovery instead of clockwork, Is why I ask.
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You dont really need the whole sdk, just adb, fastboot, and their drivers. You can pick that up here http://dinc.does-it.net/ADB/ADB-Fastboot-USB-Drivers_v4_(x86)(x64).zip. And here http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/windows_hboot_driver_install is how to install the drivers if you dony already know.
You can get root and flash roms without being s-off, however you cant flash radios, hboots, or splash screens. I would highly recomend to do it anyways, as it makes your phone much easier to troubleshoot and fix if it were to break somehow in the future. It also makes it much easier to reroot should you need to do an ruu or somehow loose root.
Yes roms and mods are flashed thru cwm (prefered) or amon ra recovery, and ruus, hboots, radios, splash screens, and recoveries thru hboot.
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I love this phone and this (ever shrinking) incredible community. I will not upgrade for anything and will shed a tear the day my incredible dies.
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I hear ya! I'm contemplating delaying my upgrade until late summer to see how things develop. All these upcoming phones have excellent specs minus battery capacity so I need to see what changes my mind. Not to mention, I've been checking out various other forums (GNex and Rezound) and many users just seem more argumentative and blatantly rude. I guess that comes with the increased user base.
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I hear ya! I'm contemplating delaying my upgrade until late summer to see how things develop. All these upcoming phones have excellent specs minus battery capacity so I need to see what changes my mind. Not to mention, I've been checking out various other forums (GNex and Rezound) and many users just seem more argumentative and blatantly rude. I guess that comes with the increased user base.
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not a fan of the gnex community myself. The dinc people I know there rarely post.
Anyway. Love cm7 and I flashed cm 6.1 on my Inc using boot manager just for nostalgia tonight. Cm6.1 was my first custom ROM ever.
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cmlusco said:
You dont really need the whole sdk, just adb, fastboot, and their drivers. You can pick that up here http://dinc.does-it.net/ADB/ADB-Fastboot-USB-Drivers_v4_(x86)(x64).zip. And here http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/windows_hboot_driver_install is how to install the drivers if you dony already know.
You can get root and flash roms without being s-off, however you cant flash radios, hboots, or splash screens. I would highly recomend to do it anyways, as it makes your phone much easier to troubleshoot and fix if it were to break somehow in the future. It also makes it much easier to reroot should you need to do an ruu or somehow loose root.
Yes roms and mods are flashed thru cwm (prefered) or amon ra recovery, and ruus, hboots, radios, splash screens, and recoveries thru hboot.
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Sweet thanks for all the input guys! All these links and info definitely help and are making my life a whole lot easier lol
The only reason I didnt buy a newer phone is because I'm so sick of the big ass screens and what not on them, that was one of the main things I hated about my DX. But, I'm enjoying the community here and I don't even have the phone yet lol, it should be here tomorrow I can't wait!
So tell me, is there any bugs on CM7 that you've found? Or is it perfect? What's your favorite tweaks? Do you guys have unthrottle mods? And Voltages/ frequencys are your over clocks at? Do you prefer setcpu/quick clock/rom toolbox, etc?
Thanks again guys
internecinehigh said:
Sweet thanks for all the input guys! All these links and info definitely help and are making my life a whole lot easier lol
The only reason I didnt buy a newer phone is because I'm so sick of the big ass screens and what not on them, that was one of the main things I hated about my DX. But, I'm enjoying the community here and I don't even have the phone yet lol, it should be here tomorrow I can't wait!
So tell me, is there any bugs on CM7 that you've found? Or is it perfect? What's your favorite tweaks? Do you guys have unthrottle mods? And Voltages/ frequencys are your over clocks at? Do you prefer setcpu/quick clock/rom toolbox, etc?
Thanks again guys
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The only thing that doesn't work in cm7 that I'd wish worked is 720p video. I can live without. To set voltage, most use an app called incredicontrol. Overclocking is built into cm7. Iamtheonetheycallneo has a flashable voltage script, that lowers the voltages for the high and low voltage part of the frequency.
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