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To un-root or not to un-root

I am new to the forum, so please be gentle...
I recently rooted my HTC Hero (Sprint) and was wondering if I will be required to unroot when it comes time (whenever it will be) to upgrade to the official 2.1 release. I guess my question really is, will the release automatically undo the exploit that gives me root permissions, or will I have to do it before the upgrade will install?

Why not wait for roms from the 2.1 update..so u dont have to unroot.
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subrm1 said:
I am new to the forum, so please be gentle...
I recently rooted my HTC Hero (Sprint) and was wondering if I will be required to unroot when it comes time (whenever it will be) to upgrade to the official 2.1 release. I guess my question really is, will the release automatically undo the exploit that gives me root permissions, or will I have to do it before the upgrade will install?
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The official release is going to unroot your phone and it will not matter whether you are rooted or not.
Also, if you decide to run the official RUU you may not be able to gain root access again. Most likely a method will be found, but there are no guarantees.
Another alternative is to wait a day after the official release and run one of the custom ROMs here that will utilize the official version, but maintain your ability to keep root.

Also, the process is not automagic. The update will have to be downloaded on your PC or you will have to go to a Sprint Store/Bestbuy to have them do the update for you.
Don't worry about the message you get saying an update is available. It's won't install it self.
But +1 for waiting 24 hours for a dev rom.

danknee said:
Another alternative is to wait a day after the official release and run one of the custom ROMs here that will utilize the official version, but maintain your ability to keep root.
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Um don't u mean probably within two or three hours after official update is out. U know the rom devs will not wait a whole day. Lol

Forgive my ignorance...I used asroot2 to root my Hero vice flashing the ROM, will this make a difference? I have not actually loaded a ROM yet. I downloaded ROM Manager and intend to use it, is it worth while or is there a better way out there?

subrm1 said:
Forgive my ignorance...I used asroot2 to root my Hero vice flashing the ROM, will this make a difference? I have not actually loaded a ROM yet. I downloaded ROM Manager and intend to use it, is it worth while or is there a better way out there?
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Rom Manager only works if you have flashed ClockWork recovery.
Most our devs just do AmonRa updates.
asroot2 is what we all used (for sprint users at least...)(or some variation in the implementation of it)
Pretty much asroot2 allows root access until you flash a rom that has su installed in to the /bin directory. After you have flashed a rom, asroot2 is useless and actually probably removed, never really paid attention.
No appoligies needed for your questions as they have merrit. But searching the forum for "unroot for 2.1 update" would yeild most of these answers.

So I've got the recovery image...which ROM would be recommended to just experiment with? This will be the first time I've done this.

Look for cb.cp-v69 it is the fastest, most stablest Rom everest. Est. ;p

subrm1 said:
So I've got the recovery image...which ROM would be recommended to just experiment with? This will be the first time I've done this.
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Each of the ROMs will have their own distinct look and their own advantages. I would take a day or so to lurk around the Hero CDMA Android Development
forum and read through some of the [ROM] threads and read the changelogs, and what the forum members have to say about it. You will benefit from using any of the given ROMs, but you may find that you like a certain look, or feature that only one of them provides. I'm a flipzmode fan myself, so I run a few variations of fresh ROMs and ROMs based of of flipzmode's work. All of the ROMs that I have tried from each of the ROM devs have been awesome.

Noob guide to terminologies & jargons

Hi everyone,
It's me again with more noob questions! I've read lots of stuffs about Android both here in XDA and at the Android developer page —*and the more I know, the more I'm confused!
I'm wondering if anyone would be kind enough to clarify/explain the common terminologies and jargon involved here. And also common apps involved in rooting, plus their function.
Without further ado, below are some terminologies/jargon/apps that I would like to be familiar with. I noticed that all of the threads I've read in the forum are catered to people who are alread familiar with programming, and I have none!
Here goes!
ROM:
Clockwork Recovery:
nandroid:
Unrevoked:
Superuser:
Thank you for being patient with a noob!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page#Terminology

Thanks a lot for pointing me in the right direction sd73ta! Now I have a better understanding of some of the most common terminologies.
I just have one question that I'm confused of now:
Is ROM flashing the same thing as rooting?
I think I'll learn more about unrevoked, clockwork and nandroid as I go along here.
Thank you once again!

emigre said:
Thanks a lot for pointing me in the right direction sd73ta! Now I have a better understanding of some of the most common terminologies.
I just have one question that I'm confused of now:
Is ROM flashing the same thing as rooting?
I think I'll learn more about unrevoked, clockwork and nandroid as I go along here.
Thank you once again!
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No, its not the same.
Sent From My HTC Aria Using XDA App

To clarify the root thing for you.
Just like in Linux (which Android really is) Administrative functions such as modifying systems files require admin privileges, which in Linux is called root privileges. In order to make modifications to your phone's OS you need root privileges, so you have to add the ability to use root privileges on your phone which is called rooting. Rooting is the very first step to really getting into your phone...your phone has to be rooted in order to flash custom ROMs. Hope that clears things up some.

Thanks for clearing that up!
So now that my phone is rooted, it basically means I have full access to the phones' OS? (which is the Android OS in this case).
And flashing always means to flash a ROM (which is in most cases custom ROMs, otherwise 99% there's no need to root right?).
Please correct me if I'm wrong:
• There are many custom ROMs available out there such as Liberated and CM6 right?
• Android OS 2.2 is Froyo, 2.1 is Cupcake, etc.
So what's the difference between them? Cos I noticed in the forum that there's Liberated Froyo??
Sorry for being a bother. Thanks for being patient!

emigre said:
Thanks for clearing that up!
So now that my phone is rooted, it basically means I have full access to the phones' OS? (which is the Android OS in this case).
And flashing always means to flash a ROM (which is in most cases custom ROMs, otherwise 99% there's no need to root right?).
Please correct me if I'm wrong:
• There are many custom ROMs available out there such as Liberated and CM6 right?
• Android OS 2.2 is Froyo, 2.1 is Cupcake, etc.
So what's the difference between them? Cos I noticed in the forum that there's Liberated Froyo??
Sorry for being a bother. Thanks for being patient!
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1. 2.1 is Eclair, Cupcake is 1.5
Search "android" in wikipedia you should be clear.
Froyo, liberated, is actually 2 things.
Liberated != Froyo != 2.1
For my understanding, that "liberated" you see here, it's just represent it's customized from stock rom, just remove some stupid apps and add some useful tools/app.
You can understand it as "a line of a product".
CM6 is another "line" - it's open source, doesn't contain anything which not "open".
Last, rooting is not just for loading new roms, you even need to root if you just want to able to have a advanced backup, e.g. Mybackup Pro, Titanium backup.

Thanks tleung11!
Wikipedia states that 2.0 and 2.1 are Eclair and 2.2 is Froyo? Maybe you mistyped there (to be clear).
Thanks again for helping out!

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[Q] A noob proof way to flash custom ROMs

As we know, now we have a clockworkmod port for our Desire HD. It is fully functional and working. It is an awesome thing to be able to flash a custom rom and kernels onto our device.
but the question is, will there be a one click solution or a simpler way to have a custom recovery without downgrading to ENG hboot like now is required to push a custom recovery onto our device..
- will Desire HD have a total ROM Manager support as in just install clockworkmod recovery via ROM Manager like HTC Desire and others?
- or will there be something like Unrevoked where its a one click of having a total free custom recovery onto our device..
the issue is, not everyone is smart enough to perform the risky hboot downgrade and pushing clockwork manually.. a simpler solution would be very handy. This is so that newcommers could just root via Visionary perma root and then sorta like download rom manager via market and then just install CWM without downgrading hboot
Thanks for your answers

I doubt it very much....maybe rom manager will recognised the
DHD from default.
A clockwork app mmm usful..
But again I cant see it..
Root
S 0FF
Android SDK
Fastboot/adb shell
Clockwork
Thats the way I went...I do agree that an easier method would help the newbies..
What is needed is an all in one app - Now that would be fun to build..
I think the Devs are far to busy with custom roms and kernels hahaha
Not as Im complaining...
We'll see...

rixsta said:
I doubt it very much....maybe rom manager will recognised the
DHD from default.
A clockwork app mmm usful..
But again I cant see it..
Root
S 0FF
Android SDK
Fastboot/adb shell
Clockwork
Thats the way I went...I do agree that an easier method would help the newbies..
What is needed is an all in one app - Now that would be fun to build..
I think the Devs are far to busy with custom roms and kernels hahaha
Not as Im complaining...
We'll see...
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btw, why does clockwork needs to be pushed rather than like previously a device (htc desire) clockworkmod can be installed via using rom manager directly.. is it that rom manager still dosent support Desire HD?
true indeed, a click by click software that automates like unrevoked would be very handy.. afterall.. not everyone is an advanced user to perform those brick risking methods

I also wish an easyer way was possible as I really want to push a custom Rom and kernal but just a kernal will do for me. Is there any you tube videos that show you step by step to put a kernal on dhd? If not would some1 find the time to do this? This would help newbies like myself to feel more comfortable.
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override182 said:
btw, why does clockwork needs to be pushed rather than like previously a device (htc desire) clockworkmod can be installed via using rom manager directly.. is it that rom manager still dosent support Desire HD?
true indeed, a click by click software that automates like unrevoked would be very handy.. afterall.. not everyone is an advanced user to perform those brick risking methods
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Yes that right,no support yet, its early days and Im sure things will get easier as time goes by.

rixsta said:
Yes that right,no support yet, its early days and Im sure things will get easier as time goes by.
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or is it that clockworkmod really need an engineering bootloader to work on desire HD.. i really hope that there would be a simpler way..

What's the noob friendliest way to just remove some stock apps (amazon,sound hound,Twitter,etc)? I reckon I need to do a root at least, but can't seem to work out what else I need to do. Cheers.

Mojo Fones said:
What's the noob friendliest way to just remove some stock apps (amazon,sound hound,Twitter,etc)? I reckon I need to do a root at least, but can't seem to work out what else I need to do. Cheers.
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use visionary to permaroot ur device.. then u can use titanium backup to uninstall those apps with root permissions

Excellent, thank you very much.

override182 said:
use visionary to permaroot ur device.. then u can use titanium backup to uninstall those apps with root permissions
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I have a feeling you need clockwork recovery too...

override182 said:
use visionary to permaroot ur device.. then u can use titanium backup to uninstall those apps with root permissions
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Worked perfectly with just a temp root, oh sorry for the hijacking override.

Mojo Fones said:
Worked perfectly with just a temp root, oh sorry for the hijacking override.
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happy to see it worked out for you.. its ok mate.. no big deal at all..

rixsta said:
I have a feeling you need clockwork recovery too...
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No, permaroot via visionary and titanium backup as removal will work fine without CW, beware though take apps out of your /system folder may cause future OTA upgrades to fail when they try and upgrade apps that are no longer present

ghostofcain said:
No, permaroot via visionary and titanium backup as removal will work fine without CW, beware though take apps out of your /system folder may cause future OTA upgrades to fail when they try and upgrade apps that are no longer present
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indeed.. i almost forgot about that...
this thread is dying

Not ony that, I do recall having read that removing those system apps does not give you free space to use, so there is no big reason why you should do it....
On topic:
I have my DHD now for a couple of weeks.....never had android before....I had overclocked my DHD when kamma released one of his kernels and visionary temp root was available It worked fine.
Now I have been out for 1,5 week and just continued reading again the day before yesterday.
I must say, I do read the topic I am interested in completely, so (almost) every post, just to get a feeling of potential issues or get some idea of what to do, if...
So although I am new to android, the great threats in the developer forum have given me a reasonable understanding of what to do, how to do it, and what risk there is.
With that, I have perm rooted my DHD, got S-off, installed clockwork mod and flashed leedroid's rom on my DHD. All done yesterday and the day before, without problem.
Am now considering if I will OC again of just leave it as is for now....
just read carefully, don;t just take the 1st post in the dev section, but read through the topic to understand potential issues....The topic creator is in now way responsible for you not reading properly or failing to understand the implications.
But Yes, a one click solution would be handy, although I prefer to have it done this way, as I now have a little better understanding of what actually happens, rather than, hey, I flashed this rom ...

paulus_01 said:
Not ony that, I do recall having read that removing those system apps does not give you free space to use, so there is no big reason why you should do it....
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if you remove those system apps, won't it help in booting up the phone faster? and probably save some memory that would be taken up with those useless apps?

lukesky said:
if you remove those system apps, won't it help in booting up the phone faster? and probably save some memory that would be taken up with those useless apps?
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I think you'll see little to no improvement at all...

For me, I used the 'freeze' option in Titanium rather than uninstalling them. It makes my apps menu tidier, and there must be at least a slight improvement in speed as less stuff is running in the background now.

so guys, do you think anyone will come out with a simpler way to flash custom rom soon?

[Q] how to upgrade android 2.3 on my hd2

I am using HTC HD2 with froyo 2.2.1. m so keen to have android 2.3 gingerbread on my hd2. how can i download its file? do i need to upgrade my ROM?

Yes, try visiting the HD2 Android Development forums.
Depending on your boot method, there are two forums:
HD2 Android NAND Development
and
HD2 Android SD Development
To learn more check the links above and read both the sticky and chosen Rom threads carefully.

2.3
Give this a go its MDJ's version of gingerbread
http://www.multiupload.com/D0YIILRQ6I

If this is something easily found in XDA or elsewhere, my apologies, but I haven't been able to locate an answer. I am, obviously, pretty new to this.
I have Froyo on my HD2 and would like to upgrade to Gingerbread. My concern is with the settings, apps, and data that are already in the phone. If I flash a Gingerbread ROM, will I lose these items and have to reset and redownload, or will the current settings and apps remain? Or is there an upgrade process different from the usual flashing process?
Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

TenorsRCool said:
If this is something easily found in XDA or elsewhere, my apologies, but I haven't been able to locate an answer. I am, obviously, pretty new to this.
I have Froyo on my HD2 and would like to upgrade to Gingerbread. My concern is with the settings, apps, and data that are already in the phone. If I flash a Gingerbread ROM, will I lose these items and have to reset and redownload, or will the current settings and apps remain? Or is there an upgrade process different from the usual flashing process?
Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
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everything will be gone after flashing a new ROM...
try backing up them using some backup apps in the market..

Visit Android.hd2.com
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Does HARDSPL "root" HTC HD2?

If you install HSPL, is that considered as rooting your phone once you install android?

No, HSPL only turns off your device's security so that you can flash any ROM.
As per Android, you need to root it yourself. [But why? 99.9% of the ROMs are already pre-rooted].

hardspl just unlocks the bootloader of htc hd2 !!
great work by bepe and cotulla there !! !!
after installing hspl, the bootloader is open and magldr and clk can be installed which act as custom bootloader so as to install and run any custom os or rom !!
!

Any android ROM you flash from xda is going to be rooted already.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using xda premium

The answer has been said above, but root is a user on the OS - just a FYI.

Root HD2
I wonder if wilfred888 was meaning that if you install HSPL they will be able to use cracked apps? Just a thought.

i have a htc hd2 with a android gingerbreed nand rom that i downloaded from here works perfectly amazing phone even today but however my device is not rooted it is very annoying how do i root the gingerbreed build on my phone ive tried super onclick no joy and a few other apps but still nothing i dont want to rebooted another rom as this one is great but i need it rooted any advice on what programme i could use would be appreciated thanks guys you rock

ross07 said:
i have a htc hd2 with a android gingerbreed nand rom that i downloaded from here works perfectly amazing phone even today but however my device is not rooted it is very annoying how do i root the gingerbreed build on my phone ive tried super onclick no joy and a few other apps but still nothing i dont want to rebooted another rom as this one is great but i need it rooted any advice on what programme i could use would be appreciated thanks guys you rock
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As far as I know all GB ROMs come rooted. Just flash a different and more modern ROM and you'll be fine.

No the SPL hard or not does not give you root accesd. The spl is what allows you to flash custom roms on your phone. As an above poster stated almost all if not all newer roms come pre rooted so you'd be fine.
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kingxklick said:
No the SPL hard or not does not give you root accesd. The spl is what allows you to flash custom roms on your phone. As an above poster stated almost all if not all newer roms come pre rooted so you'd be fine.
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Try not to open old threads when trying to get your 10 posts, you may be providing useful advice but the fact is that it's not really directed towards anyone. At least you're doing the right thing and helping people rather than just spamming though, so I haven't reported you.