It's been speculated that Android has more apps that actually work on Honeycomb tablets than does iOS on the iPad. This links talks about the growth of the Android Marketplace:
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/study_android_surpass_ios_app_count_soon
Does anyone know if this is true considering most iPhone apps will not run properly on the iPad, i.e.does not fill the screen?
There are bazillions of I pad specific apps so I don't know what to tell you.
I think one of the main things that constantly gets lost is the whole quantity vs quality discussion. Sure iOS has a ton of apps, but how many of them are actually unique and not serving the same purpose as another app out there?
When it comes down to it Android, and tablets in particular, aren't far off from having the same core apps that iOS has available to it. If anything they are more functional apps since Android makes a lot more available to devs.
I miss more iOS apps on my Xoom then Android app on my iOS devices. I also think the iOS apps has a bit higher quality.
They look and "feel" better. But none of them has widgets.
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I think one of the main things that constantly gets lost is the whole quantity vs quality discussion. Sure iOS has a ton of apps, but how many of them are actually unique and not serving the same purpose as another app out there?
When it comes down to it Android, and tablets in particular, aren't far off from having the same core apps that iOS has available to it. If anything they are more functional apps since Android makes a lot more available to devs.
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True, but to play devil's advocate, you could also say that the pseudo-arbitrary selection process inherent to Apple's App Store limits useless apps a little bit. (Yes, I know there are thousands of 'fart apps' on their store as well.)
In the end, I think that not having the duplicate functionality clause helps the Android Market have a few more 'gems' than would be possible on the iOS App Store. Things like Tasker, Swype, and true replacement browsers (not using stock webkit engine--e.g. Firefox and Opera Mobile on Android) etc would not be allowed on the iOS App Store. However, due to not having the arbitration, we suffer from a (slightly to somewhat) less cohesive overall user experience and (sometimes) lower polish inside of applications.
Personally, I prefer the power and 'openness' that Android's philosophy yields. Many others, however prefer the somewhat-higher level of safety and coherence that Apple's approach yields.
Just because they 'work' on Honeycomb doesn't mean they're any good for a tablet... There are only a few apps I run that aren't tablet specific yet actually take advantage of the space because it's hard to screw that up... Trillian and TweetDeck come to mind immediately.
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Just because they 'work' on Honeycomb doesn't mean they're any good for a tablet... There are only a few apps I run that aren't tablet specific yet actually take advantage of the space because it's hard to screw that up... Trillian and TweetDeck come to mind immediately.
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Beat me to it. And I think you're absolutely spot on. I've found that 95% of my favorite Android phone apps run on my Xoom, but only 5% (or less) of those actually work the way that I would expect them to.
Remember, just because they do work, doesn't mean you care to use them.
I use 10 - 20 apps meant for Android that are not formatted for Honeycomb but provide the basic function. Good example would be Verizon Fios DVR app, only runs in portrait but does the job!
I think it's simply not true to say an app has to be formatted for HC to be useful.
Coming from an iPad to the Xoom, there's a small but significant group of apps that aren't present that I miss.
Truth is for me, most of the apps on my iPad were games (can live without) or things that I might on occasion run but weren't day to day needed.
Important ones are news reader (newer is ok, pulse is ok too) twitter client, remote desktop app.
Everything else I can live without if I have to, but there ARE definitely not more android tablet apps than iPad apps. Taking out the "it'll run on a tablet" aspect, just look in the market, 64 tablet apps. that's it.There's far more than that in the iTunes store that are iPad only or dual binary.
The discussion was including "It'll run apps" and by the way the 64 apps are only "Featured Apps".
I don't know if we can really tell how many apps are tablet specific/redesigned.
i think the next Honeycomb update should include an emulator for apps made to run on lower versions of android. Even if the graphic quality is ****e we should have the option.
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i think the next Honeycomb update should include an emulator for apps made to run on lower versions of android. Even if the graphic quality is ****e we should have the option.
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We don't need this. This would be a terrible user experience.
The SDK already allows developers the option to make their app scale well to multiple different resolutions and devices. Nearly all developers have yet to implement this resolution scaling, therefore the apps don't scale well to the Xoom.
jwilker said:
Coming from an iPad to the Xoom, there's a small but significant group of apps that aren't present that I miss.
Truth is for me, most of the apps on my iPad were games (can live without) or things that I might on occasion run but weren't day to day needed.
Important ones are news reader (newer is ok, pulse is ok too) twitter client, remote desktop app.
Everything else I can live without if I have to, but there ARE definitely not more android tablet apps than iPad apps. Taking out the "it'll run on a tablet" aspect, just look in the market, 64 tablet apps. that's it.There's far more than that in the iTunes store that are iPad only or dual binary.
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Those featured apps are deceptive. There are lots of Honeycomb apps out there that just don't get highlighted.
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Coming from an iPad to the Xoom, there's a small but significant group of apps that aren't present that I miss.
Truth is for me, most of the apps on my iPad were games (can live without) or things that I might on occasion run but weren't day to day needed.
Important ones are news reader (newer is ok, pulse is ok too) twitter client, remote desktop app.
Everything else I can live without if I have to, but there ARE definitely not more android tablet apps than iPad apps. Taking out the "it'll run on a tablet" aspect, just look in the market, 64 tablet apps. that's it.There's far more than that in the iTunes store that are iPad only or dual binary.
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By my counting, I have more than 64 apps installed that run...like 76 actually...not including pre installed stuff/OS integrated...
Just because they aren't "Featured Tablet" doesn't mean they won't run
iPad's apps, for the most part, are more polished than Xoom's tablet based apps. But they've had a year head start. More apps for the iPad? More apps specifcally for iOS tablet than for Android tablets? At this point, probably.
One good thing about the xoom, though, is even apps that weren't made specifically for a tablet still look good, for the most part, on the xoom. Where most iOS apps made for iPhone look stupid at 2x size on the iPad.
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Coming from an iPad to the Xoom, there's a small but significant group of apps that aren't present that I miss.
Truth is for me, most of the apps on my iPad were games (can live without) or things that I might on occasion run but weren't day to day needed.
Important ones are news reader (newer is ok, pulse is ok too) twitter client, remote desktop app.
Everything else I can live without if I have to, but there ARE definitely not more android tablet apps than iPad apps. Taking out the "it'll run on a tablet" aspect, just look in the market, 64 tablet apps. that's it.There's far more than that in the iTunes store that are iPad only or dual binary.
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Those 64 apps are apps that Google has hand-picked. There's more than that.
I think the market should add a tablet app filtering option to find the ones that aren't blessed by Google.
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Important ones are news reader (newer is ok, pulse is ok too) twitter client, remote desktop app.
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The xtralogic rdp client is terrific. A bit expensive, but terrific.
jwilker said:
Coming from an iPad to the Xoom, there's a small but significant group of apps that aren't present that I miss.
Truth is for me, most of the apps on my iPad were games (can live without) or things that I might on occasion run but weren't day to day needed.
Important ones are news reader (newer is ok, pulse is ok too) twitter client, remote desktop app.
Everything else I can live without if I have to, but there ARE definitely not more android tablet apps than iPad apps. Taking out the "it'll run on a tablet" aspect, just look in the market, 64 tablet apps. that's it.There's far more than that in the iTunes store that are iPad only or dual binary.
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Check out team viewer, it's perfect on the xoom and it is completely free. Go to teamviewer.com and get the PC or Mac program and the android program, then game on.
Stop teh FlipFlop
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Does anyone know if this is true considering most iPhone apps will not run properly on the iPad, i.e.does not fill the screen?
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A lot of you keep flip flopping on what you are measuring here. The op specifically lists the quote above as an example of only counting tablet specific apps. measuring by that standard, there are way more iPad only apps than Honeycomb tablet apps. For those of you who say just because it doesn't say it's not made for a tablet doesn't mean it doesn't work, I agree. By that measurement, all iOS apps work on the iPad, and they work exactly as expected because they are simply pixel doubled (Although as the op pointed out they don't completely fill the screen 100% when they are scaled).
Another point that has been raised is a qualitative measure of the apps in either store. Apple's App Store is a pretty clear winner here as well. This stems from two issues. First, the curated store versus free-for-all store. Second, device fragmentation. The later is more of a problem for the development side and thus requires dev's spend less time on "fit & finish" and more time tweaking their apps for the thousands of hardware variations. This is an issue that most dev's view as a problem for the android market (See link below). This problem also keeps some prominent dev's away from android all together (such as EPIC games). Looking at several apps that are available on both platforms, iOS apps not only look better, but in many cases some functionality has been gimped on the android app. There was a writeup about this recently to which I can't find but I was able to locate one of the screen capture comparisons of FaceBook from that article.
(due to forum rules I can't make these active links yet )
FaceBook Screen Shot:
wpuploads.appadvice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/facebook.png
Dev Survey:
\/\/w\/\/.readwriteweb.com/mobile/2011/04/poll-android-fragmentation-issues.php
Don't get me wrong, I like several features about android, but when it comes to the Android Market versus App Store, iOS takes the cake.. or in this case the dough $$$. I have more android devices than I do iOS devices, However I have only purchased one app from the android market. I have an iPhone 4, iPhone 3Gs, iPad 2 (WiFi), Motorola Atrix (still sad about locked bootloader), HTC Inspire, Sony Xperia X10, HTC Aria (CM6), Samsung Captivate, and a Nexus.
Summary, In small portable devices like Smartphones and Tablets, Hardware and software working in concert is of greater importance than the PC of yester-year. That being said, for Android's license model to work like Microsoft's windows license model has for PC's, Google needs to have established hardware specification / form factor windows that can be reliably tested against. Secondly, they need to separate the core OS and the UI framework so they can allow vendors to customize their UI inline with the framework, which would allow Google to release an update to the core OS without the need to wait for the vendors to customize the core OS with their UI. Users could then update to the most current OS, and vendors can customize and tweak their UI to add new features of the new OS and release an updated UI when it's ready. Right now, the more consistent approach to iOS & Apple hardware is yielding better apps that are more profitable for dev's.
P.S. sorry about the run-on sentences
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I think the market should add a tablet app filtering option to find the ones that aren't blessed by Google.
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Agree completely. True there's (probably) more than those 64, not sure how to find them. But finding iPad only in iTunes is easy enough, especially from the device itself.
I think no matter how it's sliced, there's less for the xoom or tablets in general than there is for iPad.
I really hope that trend changes, I suspect it won't until honeycomb is released to the public tho
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FIRST: the intention of this post it not to flame. These is just my point of view and I would love to hear some other people’s point of view.
This is just an observation from a real cell phone junkie who is coming from WinMo and iPhone to android and is a bit disappointed.
It just feels like the Android platform is overrated and half baked. While it has its “Google apps” advantage, most of the other parts of it are seriously lacking.
Coming from an iPhone(which I hated because of apple’s dictatorship and because it feels like a dumbphone) and the HD2, which is a brilliant device with a very capable OS which has stability issues and lack of new useful apps development, I wanted to try something new with Android. It should have been the prefect mix between openness and development of new useful apps (which WinMo lacks). So far I have been nothing but disappointed.
Some of the issue I noticed and why I think Android is really overrated are:
- Very low end apps. Most of them are poorly designed and unstable. There are a few good apps but none from the major players.
- BUGGY apps!!! One of the reason WinMo was failing is because of cross device support for apps. Apps that would work on one device would not work on another because of different hardware chipsets. I was sure that Google would see this is a point of failure and will make sure this won’t happen with Android. WRONG: almost every app I downloaded has bugs and is not working properly with the N1 and if you just read the comments for the various apps you see the horror. So many people complain about FC’s and instability of the apps. This means that Google simply failed in this area and there is no real cross device support. Each app needs to be tweaked to work on each hardware set to get it right. This is going to be a huge point of failure for the platform.
- Crippled copy and paste. Seriously? You can’t copy and paste from everywhere in version 2.1??? didn’t they learn from apple?
- No built in Tethering. Again this is OS version 2.1 and there is no tethering option unless you root you phone.
- Feels sluggish at time: even on a 1Ghz processor the phone does feel sluggish at time (and yes I close my apps with task manager). Some say it is because the RAM was not fully utilized in this OS. Why have Google released a phone that suppose to have 512MB RAM with only half active? Didn’t they think it would cause bad experience?
- Very poor multimedia support: and I mean VERY poor. Even the built in YouTube Video player will not rescale the video to show on the entire screen if the video was not encoded specifically to the N1 resolution, not to mention other video apps who will NEVER show videos at full screen as they were designed for lower resolutions. There is really no way to watch DIVX or XVID and everything needs to be converted. There are dozens of media players on the market and NONE can do either tasks! And yxflash, the only player that can supposedly play DIVX is doing such a poor job it is a joke. WinMo has ONE player that beats all dozens on the android market. I read somewhere it isrelated to the SDK being very limited in Multimedia. I find it hard to believe that Google is trying to compete with apple witch such a poor Multimedia support. I even purchased OrbLive and the picture quality is extremely poor because they were forced to use the only codec that Android can support for streaming which is 3gp and has very poor quality.
- No big brand name apps: Skype, Sling and many other big brands are simply not there. I know you can use Fring as an alternative (or Nimbuzz) but both are very buggy and have delay when using skype calling. You also can’t turn off the screen when you use the VOIP apps as it is causing the sound to break.
- VPN: very poor support. I can’t get the connection to stay connected while it works just fine on the HD2 and iPhone. The latest software update from Google completely broke VPN support and now it won’t connect at all.
- There is no real way to backup all you apps AND settings of the apps unless you have rooted your phone. If you want to upgrade your ROM or change ROM’s you need to reinstall everything (unless you are rooted and then you can backup your apps settings as well). This is something that should be implemented out of the box. WinMo has exactly the same problem.
- Failure in the gaming area. There are maybe 20 good games on the Market that actually use OpenGL 3d. other games look like they are from the mid 90s. I was hoping to see better games on Android than on WinMo. I guess I was wrong here as well.
I wanted to like Android, I really did, and maybe it will get better with time, however currently it has exactly the issues as WinMo phones has (buggy apps mainly, some OS slowdowns ) and if Google is not going to address these issues they will find themselves in the same position as Microsoft is finding itself now.
For now I’ll have to go back using my HD2 and just wait until Android gets a little better and more usable for me. I just really don’t understand people hate WinMo so much if Android is not much better (at least from my consumer standpoint).
Thanks for reading.
Number one reason and the only one I need to hate WinMo is Internet Exploder. It's broken badly. They had better fix this in 7 or they are done. The fact that you have to use a third party browser to do anything useful is total BS.
I think for most people, who don't want to think to hard, Iphone OS is probably a better choice. The interface is dead simple and there are a ton of apps. Most people won't realize that they are being fenced in.
The majority of your rambling is about apps. I don't think anyone overrates Android's app catalog. Everyone knows it's much smaller than the iPhone's.
It's not overrated in the way that people tend to praise it, which is openness and customization.
I agree on IE but like the fact that you can chose various browsers.
App support is dreadful compared to the Iphone but you have to look at the sales figures in ITMS vs. Market; $ = incentive. Yes right now it's apples and oranges but when someone is researching what device to buy and what carrier to swear allegiance to for 2 years, there are certain variables considered.
Take a heavy facebook user. The iphone fbook app is solid. Yes it has issues, but compared to the android solution, there is no contest. The fact that you have to use m.facebook.com when linking from your notifications panel in android is quite unacceptable (just one of many issues people have brought up). Pandora on the iphone is also quite a bit better than on android.
I disagree in regards to your comment about the phone being snappy. I have my old iphone 3g and my nexus 1 sitting side by side and real world feel says that the n1 wins in performance.
For me there are two things I wish were present with the nexus one/androidOS that are present on the iphone.
1 - app support. That is targeting android.
2 - the keyboard. For some reason I can type far more accurately and with greater speed on the iphone than on my n1. Not a deal breaker at all
You bring up tethering. There is no native tethering on the iphone without jailbreaking or paying for an app (pdanet) for the official stateside carrier (att). Your nexus one has the ability to install pdanet and you can tether all you want at a small price. Of course, you can root your phone and suddenly this ask is satisfied; just like jailbreaking and updating your carrier file.
If you want to talk about setbacks; how about the lack of MMS for the first gen iphones while the 3g/3gs both have this. No reason whatsoever to not include the functionality in the 2g other than slow deprecation of support for the phone...that just sucks.
There are plenty of solid games in Market for your device. I had to watch a video "50 android games" to be made aware of quite a few of these tiles.
For me, nothing you wrote kept me from migrating back to android after spending a year with an iphone (g1->iphone->n1; the entire time I had the iphone I missed my g1) But I am not the target audience device manufs are going after...almost nobody here is.
All your points are valid and are what the atypical customer thinks about, cares about and bases their monetary decisions on.
Good post
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App support is dreadful compared to the Iphone but you have to look at the sales figures in ITMS vs. Market; $ = incentive. Yes right now it's apples and oranges but when someone is researching what device to buy and what carrier to swear allegiance to for 2 years, there are certain variables considered.
Take a heavy facebook user. The iphone fbook app is solid. Yes it has issues, but compared to the android solution, there is no contest. The fact that you have to use m.facebook.com when linking from your notifications panel in android is quite unacceptable (just one of many issues people have brought up). Pandora on the iphone is also quite a bit better than on android.
I disagree in regards to your comment about the phone being snappy. I have my old iphone 3g and my nexus 1 sitting side by side and real world feel says that the n1 wins in performance.
For me there are two things I wish were present with the nexus one/androidOS that are present on the iphone.
1 - app support. That is targeting android.
2 - the keyboard. For some reason I can type far more accurately and with greater speed on the iphone than on my n1. Not a deal breaker at all
You bring up tethering. There is no native tethering on the iphone without jailbreaking or paying for an app (pdanet) for the official stateside carrier (att). Your nexus one has the ability to install pdanet and you can tether all you want at a small price. Of course, you can root your phone and suddenly this ask is satisfied; just like jailbreaking and updating your carrier file.
If you want to talk about setbacks; how about the lack of MMS for the first gen iphones while the 3g/3gs both have this. No reason whatsoever to not include the functionality in the 2g other than slow deprecation of support for the phone...that just sucks.
There are plenty of solid games in Market for your device. I had to watch a video "50 android games" to be made aware of quite a few of these tiles.
For me, nothing you wrote kept me from migrating back to android after spending a year with an iphone (g1->iphone->n1; the entire time I had the iphone I missed my g1) But I am not the target audience device manufs are going after...almost nobody here is.
All your points are valid and are what the atypical customer thinks about, cares about and bases their monetary decisions on.
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Thanks for all the replies.
However please keep in mind that in my original post, i was hardly making any comparison to the iPhone and at the end of my post i stated that i am going back to the HD2 . The iPhone is the last platform i am going back to, even with all the apps. i Just cant keep with the Apple / Jailbreakers game and all the limitations.
You do have native tethering on the iPhone, only it is disabled because at&t does not want you to have it. in other countries it works out of the box. no Jailbreak needed.
I agree that market share = incentive for developers however i am a bit worried that with the current state of the SDK, we will see the same old issues with cross device support for apps, and this is exactly where WinMo failed and the iPhone won (because there is only one device to support (chipset wise), so far)
If only the apps that are in the market now would work better, my point of view will be much different.
I want to use Skype, OK there is no real skype app so i tried to use Fring...DELAY on the call. unusable. I tried to use Nimbuzz, it is better but you cant turn off the screen so the battery dies fast.
I want to watch a movie > need to convert.
I want to watch live TV > there is still not a single app that can actually do this. ORB's app is really bad at the current version.
I want to tether > need to root (i am ok with this) but wireless tether never connected to my laptop. unusable. Wired tether worked fine.
I did watch the 50 best games on Android Video and the are in par with WinMo's games and so far WinMo is giving better usability. but the OS is not so stable hehe...
I guess there is no perfect phone.
Overall is the lack of actual functionally is what killed it for me. I hope it will get better in the future and then i can give it another try
as you said, there is no perfect phone. but give it a little time, android is only a year old after all. i for one have little to no problems with FCs from any of the apps i'm using, so it also depends on what you like to do with your phone.
my main issue atm. is the lack of good bluetooth enabled voice dialing (and lack of any voice dialing at all for non-english users).
and the pet peeve would be the missing framework for the trackball colors.
other than that i'm really enjoiying the relative openess of the platform, and having cyanogen as a developer
Tether without root with PDAnet. This program works great.
Looks like the OP need's to have a read over yonder
There's also been a great deal of talk in the development forum regarding new openGL support in 2.0.
App space has been limited in android and thats a factor, but this is being resolved and we will start to see more 'pretty' applications, but I would argue that android has just as many useful and good applications as the iPhone.
The ONLY windows mobile device that I would trade my Nexus One for is an HD2. It'd be a tough decision though. My touch pro 2 was fun from a customization stand point because I seemed to flash a new rom at least once every couple of days. However, it was painful to use, it was slow, required frequent restarts, work-arounds galore, etc etc. Android may have some bugs, but I have far less trouble with day to day use with my Nexus than I did with my TP2. The hardware power of the HD2 would probably alleviate the thing that killed the TP2 for me and that was the annoying speed (or lack thereof).
Iphone OS is boring, but it works reliably. Safari mobile on my Ipod touch is a great browsing experience (nexus is better though, simply due to the power).
The only major problem I have with Android 2.1 on my nexus is its lack of full exchange support. However, if I really cared that much about it I would drop the $20 to get Touchdown and be done with it. Oh, and I would really love it if a full version of Epocrates made its way to android sometime soon.
This is of course for my uses, and in my experience. Therefore, I am just adding my opinion to the bunch...
Firstly, how can you say the N1 is laggy? Seriously? Especially compared to a WinMo device, and even the iPhone 3GS. The N1 is hands down the fastest smart phone I have ever used, whether it be my own personally owned smart phone, or one I was testing for work. Most actions are instant or near instant in their result, and the only time I find myself waiting at all is when data transfer from the network is involved, and it does that faster on my N1 than any other phone I have tried! Actually, I can load some websites faster than my computer, and I am not talking about sites that use flash either.
Secondly, yes a 1 year old OS platform does not have the same level of app support that a 4 year old platform has(iPhone/iTouch) or a decade old platform (WM). However, it is an open source platform that is growing quickly. While not all 15K apps are perfect for every device, this is true of the WM platform and the iPhone platform. There are plenty of great apps, that don't reqiure root.
Thirdly, the Android OS supports the same media playback functions as the iPhone OS... and actually can handle more in some regards. The N1 will have native flash support someday(hopefully very soon), where as Apple has picked a fight with Adobe, and likely never will have flash support. To say the Android OS, and the N1 falls short in multi-media compared to the iPhone is ignorant, to say the least. WM does support more formats, but at the same time that is a result of a OS in developement a lot longer than Android, as well the current Android OS can support Divx, et al, but companies like CorePlayer do not want to make an app until this support is in the SDK natively, and CorePlayer has pointed out they are working closely with Google, and it looks as though Android 2.5(Froyo).
Fourthly, as someone that sells cell phones for a living, the Android OS is the best smart phone OS for me to sell to consumers by a long ways. It is much more functional than the BB OS, yet maintains the ease of use. iPhone OS lacks most of the top smart phone functions, and WinMo is too slow and buggy. While 3rd party apps are not perfect, this is true of any platform, and at least with Android it will force close instead of freeze the phone. As well, the apps that are quality work very well and blow most other stuff out of the water, ie CameraFX. I have yet to have a customer complain that a free app wasn't working right... nor complain that the phones were buggy.
I was someone that came from winmo.
Android is much more polished than wimo, but it's barebones out of the box.
Winmo is much more packed with utilities out of the box, but lacks the polish of android.
That has alot to do with the timeframes of when these things derived. Android thrives on the "there's an app for that!" ecosystem.
Up until winmo (6.1?) there was no place to just get a quick app, so MS had to implement more things to give a better out of box experience. Too bad they lacked cleanliness.
Yes, Android has bugs and Yes, Market is poor compared to iPhone. But if you sum things up, I think Android wins. And Nexus wins as well, since I has the best hardware on the market today (or one of the best) 1Ghz CPU + AMOLED display + big resolution
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- There is no real way to backup all you apps AND settings of the apps unless you have rooted your phone. If you want to upgrade your ROM or change ROM’s you need to reinstall everything (unless you are rooted and then you can backup your apps settings as well). This is something that should be implemented out of the box. WinMo has exactly the same problem.
Give the market a closer look, and download MyBackup - it does indeed backup apps and settings, along with other things like bookmarks, contacts, the usual. This is the only point I could point out from your post without having to go into extensive detail ._.
As well, to add to my last post, there is multi-phone support with the apps and the Android OS... if this wasn't so, why would the Moto apps work on the Nexus One? While an app written for Android 1.0/1.5/1.6 might not work on 2.1 perfectly, this does not change the fact an app written with the 2.1 SDK will work on any phone running 2.1(actually, SDK 2.0+ will work with any 2.0+ phone, minus live wallpapers.)
But that is to be expected, just as an app written for iPhone OS 1.0 won't work properly with 3.1.3, or WM5.0 apps won't work with WM6.5 properly.
Isn't this a pointless debate.
It like like trying to debate good vs evil, butter vs margarine, pro-choice vs pro-life?
He seems to have come up with his own very logical, sound reasons why and why not android is over rated. There are countless arguments for both sides and I've read all 15 post of this. Android like the iPhone OS like Windows, like symbian all have their strong and weak points. No perfect phone OS out there. But rather whiny and complain of this and that maybe improve it, like some of the really great developers here which advances Android OS and make it great for all of us users.
In the end do I care if you move to Window mobile...not really. Hope you are happy. Move on. Have a nice life.
amen sir
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Well... Having never used a WinMo device. I can't argue that side of things... I owned a Blackberry (NEVER again!!!!), and I own an iPod Touch. Sure, the iTouch isn't the phone, but they're certainly one in the same. My iTouch is jailbroken btw.
With that said, I've never owned a better overall device than the N1. Don't get me wrong, it has its quirks and issues. But man, this thing IS my Media Player, my GPS, my overall entertainment "finder" (Where/Places/Aloqa), Grocery Lists, Forum browser (I'd say I'm 50/50 with Phone and PC while surfing web and forums now).
Sure, the apps could use some work... But, with quality devices being placed on the market, the apps WILL follow. Realize that the main reason the apps market isn't bigger, is because of the strangle-hold that Apple currently has on the market. Many Devs have invested into Apple development and have customers there. It's hard to talk them into changing their ways. In time, they'll sure move over to Android though.
With that said, the apps I get... Work for me. Just the basics: Handcent, Meebo, Car Home, Where/Places, "OurGroceries", Mixzing (Still not my ideal choice, but it gets the job done for now... And yes, I've tried Meridian, nemoPlayer, Stock, and TuneWiki), "Listen", and so on.
Yes, I've deleted as many apps as I still have on my phone (Many more than listed above)... But I've stuck with some that get the job done. If I could ask for only 2 other apps, it'd be Mint.com and Audible.com... Otherwise, I can be content in knowing I have my ideal communication device, with some GPS goodness, and it plays through my car speakers wirelessly.
So no... I don't consider it overrated, but rather too young. It'll mature in time.
Just as the title says. If you have been using the IPad for awhile now, is this a huge step forward or do you wish you would have waited for the IPad 2 (if it is comparable hardware-wise).
I like the Xoom better, mostly because I love the Android OS and despire iOS.
One of the biggest selling points for me is the unified file system... iOS required me to upload two copies of files, one to each application if I wanted to share it between two. That tied with using iTunes to copy anything to it drove me nuts.
I did own an iPad though because I needed an ebook reader that could handle large PDFs with ease and no decent Android tablet existed (Win7 tablets had no decent slate ones, my laptop is a convertible tablet). I sold that last week, for the same amount I paid for it actually, in order to buy my Xoom today.
not a fair fight
I don't know that you can compare the 2 fairly. The xoom does everything the I pad does and more(other than the iPod stuff) that being said, I like the xoom better. I think ios, while innovative, is now outdated and I hope apple comes correct with an ios update on the I pad 2. For me the diffference is the desktop widgets vs icons, there is no comparison. It'll be better to compare this vs the ipad2 next week.
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I like the Xoom better, mostly because I love the Android OS and despre iOS.
One of the biggest selling points for me is the unified file system... iOS required me to upload two copies of files, one to each application if I wanted to share it between two. That tied with using iTunes to copy anything to it drove me nuts.
I did own an iPad though because I needed an ebook reader that could handle large PDFs with ease and no decent Android tablet existed (Win7 tablets had no decent slate ones, my laptop is a convertible tablet). I sold that last week, for the same amount I paid for it actually, in order to buy my Xoom today.
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I like the xoom better. Now besides the obvious hardware advantages I take that into account.. But a XOOM (Honeyvcomb) just fits me better. I don't think you can go wrong with either tablet, but pick the one that suits your needs and you will be happy.
The iPad was a great toy, but having used this Xoom for only a few hours, I have to say that I can actually see myself being productive on it. Just with gmail, talk and the browser it is already exponentially more useful than my iPad ever was.
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I don't know that you can compare the 2 fairly. The xoom does everything the I pad does and more(other than the iPod stuff) that being said, I like the xoom better. I think ios, while innovative, is now outdated and I hope apple comes correct with an ios update on the I pad 2. For me the diffference is the desktop widgets vs icons, there is no comparison. It'll be better to compare this vs the ipad2 next week.
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Except my major complaint about the file system is something Apple intentionally put into their mobile OS. I doubt that will change in the iPad two. It isn't like they weren't aware that applications might want to access the same files.
The widget thing though... that I would expect in the next release of the iPad.
I like the xoom better......
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I honestly can't wait to see the next iPad, I really wanna see what Apple does to impress. They usually impress well, and this time should be no different. Honestly this will be very interesting. I want to see what will make the iPad 2 so much better than other Android tablets coming out this year. I try to stray away from all this "fanboy" stuff and think based off of the information given to me.
Judging from current leaks (not a good way to judge, I know) the iPad 2 hardware wise isn't blowing anything out of the water. iOS, while beautiful, is limited in terms of customization unless you jailbreak... and if widgets from past Android versions work on the Xoom, I don't know.. I've gotten used to them. They offer delightful way to customize.
This may just be a choice of personal preference, especially if you want apps.
As a "pick up and go" device.. I think the iPad1 is still stronger than the Xoom at this point in time... I'm seeing major battery drain on my Xoom doing light tasks like Google Talk and Browsing.. And browsing on the iPad is still a much smoother experience.. scrolling in the Xoom browser is craptastic as it has been on all Android devices i've used.
But if you were to ask me to compare Xoom to other Android tablets/phones.. it's definately WAY better than those.. I think the iPad has just as much use and most apps are running way better on my iPad than the Xoom.
Of course, we have to play the waiting game and hope devs code properly for Honeycomb and we should see more polished, faster apps.
But so far, i'm not seeing any outstanding differences between the Xoom and iPad.. and the iPad is doing it better given it's got a lot more time under it's belt.
I wanted the Xoom/Honeycomb to wow me more.. I wanted to be saying "iPad what?" but I can't... yet..
And now iPad2 will be announced next Wednesday and probably stretching it's legs out even further over Honeycomb.. sigh.
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Just as the title says. If you have been using the IPad for awhile now, is this a huge step forward or do you wish you would have waited for the IPad 2 (if it is comparable hardware-wise).
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my review below
I have had an iPad since july of last year, sold it yesterday in prepartion for the Xoom purchase today. Walked into Verizon purchased the Xoom and walked right out no hassle, no activation required. Here my Mini Review so far, with some comparisons to my previous 32gb ipad.
Hardware:
Nice heft, feels really solid and has that industrial feel. I do not feel I am going to drop it because it slips out of my hand... i always felt that way when holding an ipad.
its a 16:10 screen so it is wider than it is long. Should be perfect for movies.
Screen is a finger print magnet like ipad.
Software:
Gmail- is incredible on this thing. Drag and drop, color labels, etc. the workflow with gmail is priceless and so fluid. I cannot speak of the general "email" app because i only use gmail.
youtube- way way faster loading videos on this than it was on the ipad. it has some eye candy, which is always nice.. esp for android.
browser- Browser is great! and it loads pages faster than my ipad did. also it has tabs and THEY DO NOT RELOAD ON SWITCHING!! I had 8 tabs open... flipping through them flawlessly! As always using google account you can sync bookmarks and such between desktop and xoom.
Havent tried the music app yet
The gallery is like your standard vanilla android gallery.. loaded all my picasa pics from the cloud.
Other apps- there are very few "tablet apps" in the market. The 2 I did DL was pulse and accuweather. Pulse was pretty basic but did take advantage of the fragments. Accuweather is slick... but they need to polish up some pixelation i saw tapping the background "live" water.
Apps like facebook and kindle scale up nicely. While some apps dont like the speedtest app.
Speaking of speed test, i did a load on my wifi connection at 15mbps down and 3 up and i pull 14mbps down and 2 up. My ipad could never pull above 10mbps. I also noticed my signal holding strong than it did on my ipad.
Workflow is great!! This is what i have been missing on ipad... background task, unintrustive notifications.
Thats all I have right now... so far I am liking the decision i made. But i know i will be missing my apps the ipad had!!! Android cant match it yet... it will take some time.
It really is like comparing apples to oranges.
I look at the ipad as purely an "app launcher". The OS itself has zero functionality. But the app quality is great and it's runs very smoothly. Then again Apple did have their own OS to work off of when the created iOS so it's not like starting something from scratch as with Android.
The Xoom (and Android in general) is more a fully featured OS that has functionality aside form launching apps. However this is also the downside, there is a lot more that can go wrong (example - the multitasking can bog the OS down). I think eventually Android will be as smooth as iOS, but right now it's not. But if you want a full featured, incredibly functional device, the Xoom trumps the iPad.
Basically if you just want to launch apps the iPad is great. If you want anything else out of the tablet, you have to go with Xoom.
For me, the Xoom beats my iPad. This is my first Android device period, and I have used iOS strictly since waiting in line for the first iPhone.
I gave my iPad to my wife to use for things around the house - airplay to the stereo, recipes in the kitchen, quick additions to the grocery list...
It is excellent at what it does - appealing to the broadest base of users possible. But I could not truly be productive on it. I want to IM, email, read RSS, edit docs, and keep track of a multitude of other things at the same time - and even with the multitasking bar at the bottom, it feels like a single-task device.
Here are specific things it did that made it feel like a single-tasker:
- With many things running, exiting and entering the browser effectively had to reload every tab because it couldn't keep it all in memory.
- Alerts were cumbersome, interrupting and not persistent.
- Many productivity apps would lose state when they were put in the background (suspend).
- There were many good replacement browsers for Safari - but you could never bind any of them to open links by default. So you always felt like a second class citizen using them.
- Many large productivity apps show their loading screen again to get back in when you quickly switch out and back again. I feel the lack of RAM consistently.
I enabled developer mode in OS 4.3 on the iPad so I could use swipe gestures to move between apps and get back to the homescreen without using the button. But it made all of these flaws stand out even more. Even if they upped the RAM, these gesture controls don't hold a candle to the Honeycomb task switcher or WebOS' card view. Apple's paradigm breaks down in that use case and they need a real overhaul.
For me, iOS is still the most bulletpoof, whille still super-functional OS - and I want to rely on for my smartphone. I don't need to achieve these levels of productivity in that use case. But for a tablet OS, Honeycomb wins, and the Xoom makes an excellent showcase for it.
Oh, and a bonus for me - I have gigs and gigs of photos that I just happen to use Picasa to manage. Never used the web albums though. I always used the iPad to show photos by syncing what I could - but I rarely plug it into my computer so it was always out of date. But with the Xoom, all I have to do is tell Picasa to sync what I want with web albums and they show up on the Xoom - without using up storage! Genius.
Can't wait to see this excellent tablet and tablet OS evolve.
is scrolling and pinch to zoom smooth?
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is scrolling and pinch to zoom smooth?
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+1 Xoom
The iPad pales in comparison and only can aspire to one day be recycled into a Xoom
I like the Xoom better because of Android, but I am also getting an iPad 2. I have too many apps and Android has a while to catch up in that regard. But I'm keeping my Xoom.
I have both the iPad and the Xoom... I havent touched the iPad since I got the Xoom. I just love Honeycomb over the iOS. That being said, I won't get rid of the iPad until Google releases a movie store so that I can rent movies while I travel.
Why not have both!!?
I know I've been called a "technology whore" before so what the hell... I was thinking about buying my wife an iPad2 for her birthday; in part so I don't have to feel too bad about having spent $571.09 (price on bill) on the Xoom. So I could enjoy the best of both worlds.
I had an iPad, ended up getting it for a steal and just to tie me over until the android tablets started rolling out.
Since I picked up the Xoom, I haven't touched the iPad since. I gave it to my wife...and now she wants a Xoom too lol...so it will likely be on eBay soon.
Even without Flash/4G, I've enjoyed every bit of it. Once we get those 2 things, a few custom roms etc, I'll be in heaven.
Used handbrake to shrink some of my bluray collection for a trip next week...looks/runs fantastic.
My $0.02
I haven't touched my iPad since the night of the 24th. I loved it when I got it and I used it every single day. It is extremely useful and handy to have.
The Xoom has done everything I was doing on the iPad with the exception of Netflix which I do miss and hope to have return some day one can believe Nvidia's press release. Other than that I want more apps and I want them faster than it is possible for developers to get them ready but I am happy with my choice. I love the cameras, I love the ability to have widgets and more control over the device. I am looking forward to LTE and Flash being on the device and eventually the SD card being unlocked. I don't miss my iPad.
My simple comparisons between Atrix and iPhone
I came from the following devices before Atrix 4G:
iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, Samsung Captivate, Samsung Focus, and now the ATRIX 4G. I still have my Captivate, Focus, and 3GS with me. iPhone 4's Bluetooth was giving me absymal call quality that I couldn't keep the stupid iPhone 4. It does have the front facing camera, and very very good picture quality at the back. The IPS screen is no Super AMOLED, but IPS colors are very accurate. The Super AMOLED has burn-in issue after several months of usage especially if you are in a Skype or phone conversation, the screen NEVER turns off when using speaker phone or bluetooth headset...... I have to click the sleep button on my captivate.... sucka SUPERAMOLED best color but worse life-span than LCDs PERIOD! I personally do not like to simply read the reviews and forums and decide what not to buy, because my first hand experience is the most important.
1. GPS: Atrix and iPhone 4 are excellent and they lock extremely fast and instant regardless of Wifi, 3G cell tower triangulation, or none! Woo hoo. I have Navigon on iPhone so I love it way more than Android's Google Nav or Navigon there coz they are buggy and the vocie synthesizer is like a sound of Stephan Hawkins without emotion. Navigon's soothing woman voice provides the best GPS Navi experience so far. Unfortunately, I can't say the same with the Navigon for Android. It's too buggy and lacking some good features from the iOS. I do like Android's 3D map and voice search and most importantly it's FREE. BUT constantly streaming maps over the cell tower is not reliable. What happen when you go to area without cell coverage? Also what happen if the data plan has only 200MB/month?
2. Internet Browsing speed/ease:
I like Safari coz of double tapping to zoom, the pintch and zoom performance and the beauty of copy and paste has been doing very well and more responsive than the Atrix. On the Atrix browser, i CANNOT edit this forum while typing this response. It sometimes not allowing me to select and scroll through the text even Atrix is imitating Apple with the magnifying glass. Sometimes the magnifying glass never shows up!!! While flash is fun on my Atrix bit it slows down a lot just to display ads. Fortunately I can disable Flash if I want to.
Flash to me while is pretty much full web browsing experience, but it does slow down the entire web page performance. It's good to have the flash option in Android no doubt. iOS however, has forced Adobe to take mobile platform more seriously and look into mobile hardware acceleration to create smooth browsing experience.
3. Stability/Speed: Pretty stable so far and pretty snappy over all. Install Launcher Pro or Go Launch Ex and also use Titanium Backup to Freeze MotoBlur if you are thinking Blur is slowing the system down....But I personally like Blur's widget just not the app drawer. Go Launcher EX has the similar UI as the iOS in the app drawer which is a plus when you want to manage your apps such as hold to wiggle the apps and delete them by touching the Minus sign like iOS.
4. Call Quality/Least dropped calls
iPhone 4 call quality is not as good except ear piece. Bluetooth and Speaker phones are.... bad..... the noise cancellation technology on iPhone 4 is not really good... People had hard time hear my voice even I have tried Jawbone Icon, Plantronics, BlueAnt all these highest end bluetooth headsets! Only the earpiece and stupid corded headphone works okay on the iPhone 4
Atrix is also suffering from similar problem especially if there is wind blowing to the top of the microphone.... the wind noise cancellation of the Atrix is not great which Motorola is trying to improve. Fortunately, BLUETOOTH headset call quality is EXCELLENT and that's what I use the most and perfect!!! Speakerphone is pretty good most of the time.
5. Speaker Quality/Volume
iPhone 4 and Atrix both housing the very loud speakers. I love iPhone 4 and Atrix
6. IPS LCD vs Pentile LCD
iPhone 4's LCD color is way more accurate compare to the Pentile LCD used in Atrix. The Color in Atrix such as yellow is greenish lime...... check the demo unit to compare. Use color calibration tables to compare. iPhone 4 is very very very good.
7. OS: ease of use vs high customizable.
I've discovered that Android is like beta product to me. People are trying hard to customize the UI just to have fun and increase productivity. iOS right now so far has provided the best experience. While Android is a little inferior due to simple Copy and Paste, delete app without accessing Application manager, update all apps at ease (Android requires manually permit each app to update automatically. Update ALL does not work when you have a modified app such as Skype for 3G call in US which cannot be updated due to relocking WiFi only call function), webpage rendering performance such as pinch to zoom in iOS is still better than Atrix running Android for sure. Android is also missing a lot of popular Games from the iOS. Hopefully Sony can do some impact....
8. Multitouch
iPhone 4: 5 points
Atrix 4G: 2 fingers but hardware could support 5 but should we buy for the potention?
Apps that support more than 2 fingers are:
iOS: Cut the Rope, Garage Band, Star Wars Force Unleashed, Street Fighter, GTA, and more
Android: does not have enough because the hardware are inconsistent. Sony Ericsson Xperia X8 can't even do multi-touch! Xperia X10 has problem when crossing X-Y axis with two fingers.
9: HDMI output
iPhone 4 or 5 can do 720P: SMOOOOOOOTH like butter but no specialized 720p interface, just mirroring your iPad2 or iPhone 4's screen to the HDTV. Good for games!!!
Atrix 720P Webtop OS is choppy It runs 720P video at lower than 15 fps....It can't truely mirror the image from the phone to the HDTV for games because for some reason the screen is forced to be a touch pad instead of a multitouch gesture or game pad control such as Samurai II.... you can only move the cursor to control the direction or the attack button but not both... VERY DISSAPOINTING!! Motorola's innovation is just old wine inside a new bottle. Webtop is more like a gimmick than a truly reliable feature.
10. VOIP: Skype, Tango, Qik, Fring, etc
iPhone 4: works all the way with Skype support video call on iOS!!!!! perfect!
Atrix 4G: Only Tango, Qik work so far recently. Skype is totally NOT working, people can't hear my voice from the mic due to high amplitude and frequencies noise. Something wrong with the codecs and non standard API that Motorola has used which is another Google's Fragmentation problem. How do you expect developers to change their source code just to suit a single device like Atrix? There is still no video call in Skype for Android!
11. Multilingual Support:
iPhone: Absolutely almost perfect. The iOS ,regardless of anywhere in the world, has the multilingual keyboard, voice recognition system, writing recognition system, system menu. It's a perfect multilingual OS that until today, there is no one in the computer industry is able to match Apple! Windows 7 still can't do that natively unless you purchase the Ultimate edition and still requires to install the language packs separately through the updates!
Atrix: Running Moto Blur is the cause for none North American languages being removed from the stock Android OS due to the limited storage space for system in the phone. Asian Language is not supported right out of the box. What's come worse is you can't even view or edit Asian language such as Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc in the Webtop environment! What a bummer to me! Motorola Rep told me they are interested about the application of it and willing to enable that feature. That doesn't mean they will enable the feature for North American market. It's a freaking world phone where people need to travel to conduct their business! What happen if people need to type Email in Chinese in the Webtop? It's NOT going to happen as of now and probably not unless you purchase an Asian version in the future.
12. Easy to Hack:
iPhone Jailbreaking requires careful maintanence even it's just a single-swipe or click to Jailbreak. The jailbroken device is highly unstable and usually requires a system restore which takes hours to sync back all the data if your device is fully loaded.
Atrix is easy to root (still definitely not for non tech savvy), convert your phone to webtop without buying the dock, and easy to enable Mobile Hotspot Tethering without paying. BUUUUT ENCRYPTED BOOTLOADER.... which Motorla is still deciding how to response to the developers... fortunately, there is the RSD5.0 that can flash Atrix to stock ROM now
13. BACKUP & RESTORE:
I demand not a simple cloud service backup for the contacts, email, sms, maps, search history but also for the apps and multimedia data! Motorola does provide the software to do it, but it's SLOW. The file manager transfer speed is as slow as 150 KB/sec via USB! I'm forced to use the Massive Storage Media to drag and drop contents. It's convenient in a way but it's definitely not the most efficient method. Syning data prevents wasting time to overwrite data that are up-to-date. Hopefully these can be resolved by the upcoming Gingerbread.
iOS: iTunes simple apps and data backup! It does have it's short coming such as cannot backup data of the deleted apps from the device. I repeat, data backup means not just contact, sms, over the cloud or computer but the data and settings that are stored in the apps and OS.
Atrix: Before the Gingerbread is baked for the Atrix, you must NEED to ROOT to use Titanium Backup and Rom manager (Which doesn't work coz of the locked down bootloader) and it doesn't sync to your computer or your cloud data storage centers. Why do we still use SD cards when there is Dropbox type of system? SD card backup is the not a modern solution. Morever, Titanium Backup is dangerous if you accidentally restore the incompatible data to the system file which may crash the device. The UI of Titanium is not intuitive and it's very complicated for first time users. Titanium Backup is again for geeks not your parents and definitely not your grandma! Android has completely failed in this category! Therefore it can't be a serious work phone without the right backup/restore feature. Finally Motorola's Portal is just slow.... 150KB/sec of USB transfer, it's forcing me to use as Massive Storage Device and that's 40x faster!
I do appreciate the Google cloud service to store all the search history, maps, contacts, email, etc. However, what about Apps data? I'm having a hard time to simply backup my apps data while they aren't stored somewhere in the globe.
14: Multimedia
Both iPhone and Atrix can sync with iTunes library since Apple has dominated the music market. Youtube experience is definitely a lot better in Android than iOS. Because you can rotate your Atrix in landscape mode to have full screen, while potrate mode to access related video and read/write comments while the video is playing! I would say iPhone and Atrix should be quite on par in multimedia.
Codecs that are supported by Atrix are still confusing. Some people say 720P mp4 aren't running correctly.
15. Notification System
iPhone: intrusive! Yup I don't like the bubble in the middle of the screen while I was watching movie, playing games, browsing website, VNC, and most importantly, video conferencing!
Android: non-intrusive notification system where the notifications are up on top to be slided down to review the history like a log. Perfect!
16. How data is being stored
iPhone iOS: single partition easy managemant. You don't need to keep track of where the apps are stored and whether if they can be installed to a larger sd card. This technique has been acknowledged by Microsoft's WP7 though Samsung Focus is an exception which still create confusion on which type of SD card has to be used safely. Atrix stores the data either in the internal memory or sd card which falls to the same issues as Windows Mobile installation --> confusion.
17: Email (3/14/2011)
iPhone iOS 4 now supports threaded emails which sorts out conversations with the latest at the very top even inside the conversation. So far I like it and very productive and convenient.
Atrix: The build in Email App from Motoblur does not do threaded emails. The Gmail app is even more pathetic! While the conversation feature is convenient, putting the oldest thread at the very top inside a conversation forces me to scroll all the way to the bottom just to read the latest email is just ridiculous! There is also bug for conversation list where it doesn't move to the next conversation even I've selected update automatically. The Gmail App is BROKEN in Android and people are complaining about that.
Atrix: Android's support of SD card is good but also bad when you have to keep track of where the applications are installed to and whether if they can be running efficiently when stored to the SD card. SD card does provide expandability but in reality, you are still limited by the maximum size that the device can handle which is 10GB internal usable storage + 32GB and you can't do a single partition to combine the internal storage with the SD card.
If you want a device to ease your life and improve work efficiency, get iOS. Android is more for geeks or developers. Get Atrix if you like to modify the device. The webtop is more like a gimmick rather than productivity unless you really use the Citrix Remote Desktop Control. It's an interesting idea, but in terms of daily basis, Android is still slightly behind iOS in terms of design. Market share does not reflect the re fineness of the product.
*Caution* if you have more important things to worry about rather than modifying system files, customizing the cosmetics of the UI, or simply just trying to eliminate the lags, avoid the Atrix.
Finally, I am still debating if I should keep the Atrix or wait for the iPhone 5, Galaxy S II or the Optimus 2x.
I think there are tons of people on this forum that would disagree with you. I for one was an iphone user for 4 years and I will not go back. Why would you come to this forum of all places to recommend the IOS? Most people who are on this forum have already made up their minds about what phone to get. I found the biggest thing about switching from an iphone to android is that it's like wiping your butt with the opposite hand. If you have been doing it one way for so long you are highly resistant to move to a different tech or adjust to the way that tech works. IOS is plain, boring, and locked down. It's not much different than it was 4 years ago and apple spoon feeds options to users that should be standard from the beginning.
"...update all apps at ease (Android requires manually select each app to update automatically)"
Try going into the market, then pressing the menu key and then My Apps. You should see a link to Update All at the top if more than one app needs updating.
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"...update all apps at ease (Android requires manually select each app to update automatically)"
Try going into the market, then pressing the menu key and then My Apps. You should see a link to Update All at the top if more than one app needs updating.
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You have to turn on that otherwise some of the apps have to be updated manually. Did that before.....
I'm not sure what you are talking about, but I myself am coming from an iphone 3gs, this is my first android, and as far as I can tell the two update their apps in almost an identical manner in terms of number of clicks to update all the apps that need updates. I haven't changed anything from default and have not had to manually change anything in each app to make it part of the update all functionality.
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I think there are tons of people on this forum that would disagree with you. I for one was an iphone user for 4 years and I will not go back. Why would you come to this forum of all places to recommend the IOS? Most people who are on this forum have already made up their minds about what phone to get. I found the biggest thing about switching from an iphone to android is that it's like wiping your butt with the opposite hand. If you have been doing it one way for so long you are highly resistant to move to a different tech or adjust to the way that tech works. IOS is plain, boring, and locked down. It's not much different than it was 4 years ago and apple spoon feeds options to users that should be standard from the beginning.
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I'm just comparing and responding to another user who is deciding between iPhone 4 and Atrix. That's the comment I provide.
Android is nice as the op stated however it's still not as refined as Apple's iOS is and apple is quickly improving their os and it's easily available when released thru iTunes or visiting a local apple store if you don't have a desktop or laptop and high speed Internet. I think google may need to start making huge changes if they want to have people be happy with android. Starting with requiring manufacturers to make updates available to each device as the updates are released.
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I think google may need to start making huge changes if they want to have people be happy with android.
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We'll go ahead and forget for the moment that for all of the ways which make iOS just so much better, it is still being outsold by Android, with the gap growing every day.
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We'll go ahead and forget for the moment that for all of the ways which make iOS just so much better, it is still being outsold by Android, with the gap growing every day.
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That's not the best comparison. Apple has 4 models sold so far.android had like 4 a week.
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Android is nice as the op stated however it's still not as refined as Apple's iOS is and apple is quickly improving their os and it's easily available when released thru iTunes or visiting a local apple store if you don't have a desktop or laptop and high speed Internet. I think google may need to start making huge changes if they want to have people be happy with android. Starting with requiring manufacturers to make updates available to each device as the updates are released.
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Agree, Android's update cycle is so exciting and fast, it just takes manufacturers too long to roll out those updates. The Atrix was announced after gingerbread was released, but it came with Froyo.
But in all honesty Android is far better at content creation and not just content consumption. Apple users are such well trained monkeys that they will pay $1 for a flashlight app when a Dev with some decent skills and passion for the platform will release it for free.
My wife is nowhere near as tech savvy as I am, but she lives her Desire Z and finds it easier to use than her iPhone 3gs, but this could also be due to HTC Sense.
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Android is nice as the op stated however it's still not as refined as Apple's iOS is and apple is quickly improving their os and it's easily available when released thru iTunes or visiting a local apple store if you don't have a desktop or laptop and high speed Internet. I think google may need to start making huge changes if they want to have people be happy with android. Starting with requiring manufacturers to make updates available to each device as the updates are released.
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Quickly? It's been 4 years and iOS has barely changed.
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You have to turn on that otherwise some of the apps have to be updated manually. Did that before.....
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To clarify, you can change each individual app to update automatically which means you will never have to do anything OR you can go into the Market and just select "Update All" at the top. I had an iphone and you either had to update on itunes and then sync your phone or you had to go to the app store in your phone and select "Update all" but with Android, if you take the 2 or 3 minutes to select the automatic feature, you won't have to do anything, so I think Android WINS that round, sheesh. Plus, that's just splitting hairs.
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Agree, Android's update cycle is so exciting and fast, it just takes manufacturers too long to roll out those updates. The Atrix was announced after gingerbread was released, but it came with Froyo.
But in all honesty Android is far better at content creation and not just content consumption. Apple users are such well trained monkeys that they will pay $1 for a flashlight app when a Dev with some decent skills and passion for the platform will release it for free.
My wife is nowhere near as tech savvy as I am, but she lives her Desire Z and finds it easier to use than her iPhone 3gs, but this could also be due to HTC Sense.
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The part about the $1 flashlight app you say is total bologna. The best flashlight app in the app store is totally free and gets regular updates. Also android is a toy with a cute little green robot.
Go bite an Apple, OP. It's obvious you have no clue what you're even saying. If you did, you'd realize that you're sooooo wrong about nearly everything.
Also, I don't know if you're from a different country, but if you're going to make an Android bashing post, please do so without using google translate.
First point: You love Navigon on the iPhone, but you don't like Google Maps or Navigon on Android... alroghty then...
Second: I don't know why you feel like that. I'm using Dolphin browser, P&Z work fine, as well as copying and pasting. It kinda takes a little bit of getting used to to make the magnifying glass pop up.
Three, four, and five I can basically skip since you give Android some room to breathe.
Six: The green feels fine to me. I've used an iP4, and while the Retina Display is nice, I haven't seen any notable differences, and the color green seems fine to me.
Seven: Oh. My. God. Learn what a Beta is. Your definition of beta seems to be: "Too hard for me to use." It seems like my 10 year old sister knows how to use Android better than you. It's so simple to use copy and paste, but it seems you just can't figure out, and you condemn a whole OS because you can't seem to understand it. You also said that there's a launcher to hold and delete apps, so why even bring it up again?
Now for the updating... Are you mental? Is it really that hard to go into the Market, click settings, and then update all? As for the games, just wait. Android hasn't been mainstream as long as iOS.
Eight: So, you're going to use all 5 fingers all the time? I've never seen people use more than 3, and rarely use 3 at all.
Nine: You have to buy an extra accesory to use HDMI output on the iPhone... And that is webtop, not mirroring you're doing. Learn the difference.
Ten: Apps need to be updated. Device less than a month old. Blahdy blah.
Eleven: You skipped 11.
Twelve: High maintenance in time such as tethering? lolwut? Makes no sense at all. Rooting is so simple. All automated for you.
Thirteen: Almost everything is backed up for you! Contacts are auto-backed up to Google from the start. MotoBlur also helps with that. Download an app to backup SMS convo's to your SD card, and then just plug your phone in and transfer your pics. Then there's good, old Titanium.
You're comparing Apples to Robots, and it's just not working. Your basic understanding of the English language is horrible, and shouldn't be used to bash Android.
iOS is def more refined, and user freindly. and i had over all less little glitches with my iphone than ive had with my atrix.
but im still staying with anything android. android phones are more customizable even without root/rom than a jailbroken iphone is. (just talking about visual customization)
I don't understand why almost all "Atrix vs. iphone/android vs. iOS" speak only or mainly of points that are already handed to Apple. I'm sure that other Atrix users here like me, Bought the Atrix knowing in advanced it's does not win over iphones in all categories.
I'm thank the OP for his review but an example of I'm saying about those reviews is like the highlight on "updating all apps at once". I wonder how could this feature be more important compared how each OS handles installing the apps!!
I'm new to Android and it was a little blast I had when I found out how you install apps! click this, install that, back, click this, install, check download progress in notification bar, go back for more apps, they download and install while your still surfing the friggin' market!!
In iOS if you chose to install an app it exits itself to the home screen and you need to go find where you re-launch the store app!!
Now how can that not be spoken of when "updating all apps at once" is suddenly an edge over the other OS?
I have to admit English is not my first language and I was pretty frustrated about my Atrix!
I know some people may not agree with me but here is my refined response.
First point: You love Navigon on the iPhone, but you don't like Google Maps or Navigon on Android... alright then...
Second: I don't know why you feel like that. I'm using Dolphin browser, P&Z work fine, as well as copying and pasting. It kinda takes a little bit of getting used to to make the magnifying glass pop up.
Thanks for the tips on alternative browsers. Copy and Pasting is worse than iOS from my Atrix experience. Sometimes there is no magnifying glass when editing the text. It pops out a selection menu that covers up my whole screen asking me to SELECT TEXT, SELECT ALL, COPY, etc. Inside the browser, I MUST need to click the Menu button, select More, Select text and I've no way to accurately select the correct beginning and the end of the portion that I would like to copy.
Three, four, and five I can basically skip since you give Android some room to breathe.
Six: The green feels fine to me. I've used an iP4, and while the Retina Display is nice, I haven't seen any notable differences, and the color green seems fine to me.
Check with Color Calibration sheets to test LCD monitors then you will know how wrong the colors are especially yellow becomes yellowish green and lime and green contains yellow
Seven: Oh. My. God. Learn what a Beta is. Your definition of beta seems to be: "Too hard for me to use." It seems like my 10 year old sister knows how to use Android better than you. It's so simple to use copy and paste, but it seems you just can't figure out, and you condemn a whole OS because you can't seem to understand it. You also said that there's a launcher to hold and delete apps, so why even bring it up again?
I'm a tech geek who have used WP7, iOS, Symbian, Windows Mobile, Palm, and more in long period of time and I have the right to criticize Android base on my experience. The UI in Android is not refined and feels like Windows Mobile menus embedded within menus just bigger buttons and open source for developers but not really for consumers because the manufactures impose their lock-downs to the bootloaders.
Now for the updating... Are you mental? Is it really that hard to go into the Market, click settings, and then update all? As for the games, just wait. Android hasn't been mainstream as long as iOS.
Updates sucks because you can solely use the phone itself to update. I've a modified version of Skype which can't be updated using the UPDATE ALL menu. If I did that, my Skype can't be used in 3G network for calling. Moreover, Skype DOES NOT SUPPORT VIDEO CALL for Android yet while iOS are supported
Eight: So, you're going to use all 5 fingers all the time? I've never seen people use more than 3, and rarely use 3 at all.
Just because you never seen 3 fingers usage does not mean there is no such demand on the creativity. Take Cut the Rope, Star Wars Force Unleashed, Virtual DJ, Piano, and other creativity apps, they all use more than 3 fingers just to let you know.
Nine: You have to buy an extra accesory to use HDMI output on the iPhone... And that is webtop, not mirroring you're doing. Learn the difference.
Extra accessories also applies to the Atrix Officially. Webtop is running in Ubuntu which is Choppy and DOES NOT have an option to mirror the Android environment completely. When I want to play Samurai II on the HDTV, I CANNOT do that at all because the screen becomes a touch pad instead of normal multi-touch operation in the Android environment. I can't play Need for Speed on the HDTV because I can't touch the screen to play the game at all. iPhone, iPad, Optimus 2X and upcoming Xperia Arc are able to do that.
Ten: Apps need to be updated. Device less than a month old. Blahdy blah.
Truth to be told, Motorola is not using standard APIs. VOIP developers are having troubles to develop the right codecs to work in the Atrix. Do your own research
Eleven: You skipped 11.
Atrix has Limited Multilingual Support. The Webtop Cannot display Asian Characters nor allow users to input them either. Android does not come with decent Asian Characters inputs. Apple iOS is absolutely amazing in that area regardless where the iPhone is being released anywhere in the world, the language packs are the same. The only good side of Android's multilingual is customizable keyboard.. but so far none of the android keyboards have satisfied me due to choppiness, sluggish design, button too narrow, inaccurate writing recognition, and more.
Twelve: High maintenance in time such as tethering? lolwut? Makes no sense at all. Rooting is so simple. All automated for you.
I'm talking about keeping up the Jailbreaking trend against Apple's lockdown on the iPhone, not Android, read carefully! People who need to unlock their phones cannot update their iPhones easily. Feel free to jailbreak but you will suffer from system instability which usually requires full system restore. Re-syncing all apps usually take hours if your device is fully loaded.
Thirteen: Almost everything is backed up for you! Contacts are auto-backed up to Google from the start. MotoBlur also helps with that. Download an app to backup SMS convo's to your SD card, and then just plug your phone in and transfer your pics. Then there's good, old Titanium.
Did you read carefully what I was saying? I demand more than simple Contact, SMS, Email Cloud backup service. Titanium is dangerous to use for non technical people. They will overwrite or delete critical system data that would crash the device. Titanium also requires Root access in order to restore everything. I know how to use Titanium backup ever since I got my Captivate and got frustrated about lacking Google official data backup system. I repeat I'm very technical but Android is definitely not good for non technical people such as your grandma!
You're comparing Apples to Robots, and it's just not working. But I'm comparing different mobile OSs which is the same category
Your basic understanding of the English language is horrible, and shouldn't be used to bash Android.
Yet, Android is being used world wide and therefore should also be multilingual. You, who is an Android user, should able to tolerate people who are not English as their 1st language.
You're obviously not very tech-ish at all. You cannot say an OS is in beta because it lacks features you think should be in it. Your points are moot. So did you consider iOS 2, 3, and 4 to be betas as well?
And to your response to number 11, what?
I can tolerate people just fine. It's when you start rambling in broken English that I can't stand. It just starts looking like some sort of spam e-mail, and hard to read.
I agree with most of what you said squarejp.
Sad to see most people here will down the iP4 just because it is apple.
If they would actually get to use the phone for more than a day, im sure more would see what you mean.
P.S. I have both and iphone and a incredible running 2.2.
Dont kid yourself guys, IOS is much more refined than android.
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I agree with most of what you said squarejp.
Sad to see most people here will down the iP4 just because it is apple.
If they would actually get to use the phone for more than a day, im sure more would see what you mean.
P.S. I have both and iphone and a incredible running 2.2.
Dont kid yourself guys, IOS is much more refined than android.
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I'm knocking the Apple phone because I used 3 different versions of the iPhone. As well as own the ipad. Your opinions on what's refined or not =\= everyone elses
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So we've all been there: trying to explain to an Apple fan why Android is better.
Well here I've compiled a list of the reasons why Android is better, while I'm open to any suggestions or corrections.
I'm not an Android fanboy, I'm a fan of technology and I own Apple devices, so this is pretty objective.
I'm leaving out my personal preferences and opinions, only putting my examples into cases the average user will find himself in.
1. IOS Crashes more than Android http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomiogeron/2012/02/02/does-ios-crash-more-than-android-a-data-dive/
2. IOS has fake multitasking where you can't download while doing anything else and apps are put into suspension when you leave them and stop running.
3. Google apps are much better on Android with better interfaces(e.g. YouTube) and more functionality (e.g. Chrome, Navigation)
4. There is no Flash player on IOS
5. Sharing is very limited on IOS where you simply don't get the choices you get on Android
6. File Management on IOS simply isn't there so you can't attach anything to emails or messages
7. The Appstore may have more apps and "better" games but it doesn't have the functionality and productivity the Play Store has. Simply because Android gives you the option if you want to give a life-saving app like Cerberus, administrator permissions
8. Flexibility and customization - Android is capable of beautiful things while still not rooted. e.g. Shortcuts that take you into specific parts of an app, Notificiation Toggles, widgets, multiple launchers etc.
9. Notifications- IOS users may miss a call, but unless they manually check the notifications bar, they've got no clue about it.
10. The small screen on the iPhone is up to personal preferences, but it has 4:3 aspect ratio which is old technology and makes watching videos terrible
11. The hardware is really fragile as it takes one drop to ruin everything, while the buttons often don't work after a (long) period of time with the phone
12. Jailbreaking an IOS device gives less freedom than rooting does. People may have to downgrade to jailbreak or may lose their apps when updating to new software. How annoying is that?
13. IOS devices don't have external memory
14. IOS devices don't have fm radio
15. IOS devices don't have a smartdialer
16. IPhone has lesser specs than high-end Android devices e.g. NFC thus less features( Wallet)
17. The contacts integration is much weaker on IOS
18. You don't have the freedom to select default app for a specific action on IOS, so you can't get e.g. Swype Keyboard
19. Emulation on Android is much wider and way better while still not rooted
20. Connectivity with devices of a different brand is unheard of at Apple- whilst on Android you can wirelessy connect to PS3, XBOX, TV, PC, controllers etc
I left my opinion for the very end. I believe that IOS devices are overpriced, overrated and mainstream. This is the reason that overrules all for me because People buy IOS devices just because it has the Apple logo on it. This disgusts me ( and I'm sure most Android users) as it shows ineffable ignorance.
So there are all these (incredibly) annoying gripes on IOS, yet people still buy iPhones which is something really incomprehensible.
Android isn't perfect: it suffers from some ecosystem issues, slow updates(which is going to be fixed with the coming of Jelly bean), bloatware (removable when rooted), fragmentation etc.
However Android has progressed at such a rapid pace compared to IOS these past years, that it simply is much more promising and full of potential.
P.S IOS6 was announced after I wrote this. Since we don't know what Jellybean is going to be like, there shouldn't be any comparison until both are running. However, it is clear that Apple is trying to catch up with Android with the release of IOS6, as most features have been working on Android phones in one way or another.
Well most is correct but I think belongs in the android section. Not the Xperia PLAY section.
And whats the point on this thread? :S if you want something simple go with iOS if you want custom roms, themes and moding go with Android, Some say that iOS are better for woman, because they usualy like simple and easier things, I have a iPhone and the Xperia Play, they are both great but I perfer the Xperia Play because I can mod it and use custom roms, but that doesnt make the Android Better, it depends much of the point of view of the person, please Remember that iOS and Android are aimed for diferent things! If I dint care about Hacks, mods, themes, tweaks, etc, I'll probably be better with just a iPhone.
iOS is good for people who want a phone OS that hides the options and multitasking from the user. I prefer the iOS for my tablets because I like the large screen for 1.5 apps at a time (music and web browsing for example). On my phone I prefer customizing it to exactly what I like. That for me is why I have an Xperia Play. I get exactly what I want. Long live choices for phones!
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Thread needs to be deleted as it has NOTHING to do with xperia play. Good job reading the rules before posting.
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Thread needs to be deleted as it has NOTHING to do with xperia play. Good job reading the rules before posting.
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Pfft whatever buddy it has something to do with the play. ANDROID is the os he's just making some key comparisons
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Pfft whatever buddy it has something to do with the play. ANDROID is the os he's just making some key comparisons
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I guess you're another genius that doesn't know the order of things at xda. If you can't go by the rules then there's no need for you to be at xda. There is an android general forum for bs like this. THIS specific division is pertaining to xperia plays NOT android os. Read and learn.
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I guess you're another genius that doesn't know the order of things at xda. If you can't go by the rules then there's no need for you to be at xda. There is an android general forum for bs like this. THIS specific division is pertaining to xperia plays NOT android os. Read and learn.
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Pfft..... Sent you a pm have a nice read
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I have to agree with you (the OP) on apple vs. Android.
I've had an itouch for 2 years now ( 1st year it was a 1st gen and 2nd and on.it is 4th gen) and ever since I got my play my itouch sits in my speaker dock on I heart radio with Air1 radio.....it hasn't left the dock in months.
My two android devices though ( my cm7 nook color and my play), I use constantly. I use my nook if I want a bigger screen for gaming emulators while using my ps3 controller and stand/case I got from best buy, and my play for everything else, even emulators when I'm on the go and don't have a need to carry my nook color around....plus we can.change roms whenever we want, where as with apple products we have to do the tidious jailbreaking to even do any some of good stuff.
Thanks for this thread.
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Sorry man, I know this is the wrong section. I was in a hurry when I was posting this and it ended up here by accident. I'm pretty new here, so I'm not sure what I have to do to put things right though.
I own both and both are good.
It's really a personal opinion on which is better. So this is a pointless thread which is also posted in the wrong section. And exactly what are you trying to achieve with this? You expect all Apple users to abandon ship over this post? Everyone knows the difference, flaws and positives of each device and choose accordingly to their needs. So why do you need to explain to an Apple user why android is better? Sh*ts and giggles? You say you're not a fan boy but this thread pretty much confirms you are. Sell your Apple products and stick with android, no one cares. I share with my wife and son an Xplay, GNex, and 4s for our phones + an iPad2, Kindle Fire and Asus Transformer prime for our tablets and we feel none of them are better than another. It's up to the user, your fan boy rage is wasting space.
1. IOS Crashes more than Android
-my iOS devices never "crash" unlike my android devices that from time to time freeze up or force close, requiring a shutdown or battery pull. and that article you mentioned aboved is talking about apps crashing not the OS itself. FAIL
2. IOS has fake multitasking where you can't download while doing anything else and apps are put into suspension when you leave them and stop running.
-this may be true but multitasking on most android devices causes lag and force closes. Some apps are actually terminated by the android OS automatically to free memory.
3. Google apps are much better on Android with better interfaces(e.g. YouTube) and more functionality (e.g. Chrome, Navigation)
-well of course Google would pay attention to their apps for their OS more. but theres really nothing wrong with the youtube app on iOS
4. There is no Flash player on IOS
-everyone knows flash on android is pretty bad, laggy and not really reliable as watching it in the video app.
5. Sharing is very limited on IOS where you simply don't get the choices you get on Android
-this may be true but this also opens up the risk of malicious files being transmitted through the devices.
6. File Management on IOS simply isn't there so you can't attach anything to emails or messages
-theres ways around that actually. anyattach, ifile, and probably many more. but still risks of malicious attacks.
7. The Appstore may have more apps and "better" games but it doesn't have the functionality and productivity the Play Store has. Simply because Android gives you the option if you want to give a life-saving app like Cerberus, administrator permissions
-iOS does have the newer and "better" apps. We can get them months or years before android users do. I find being on android you have to wait at times for an app to be made specifically for your hardware. Also apps similar to cerberus can be obtained on iOS but can be pointless if people can google how to restore iOS or android devices rendering those apps useless when stolen.
8. Flexibility and customization - Android is capable of beautiful things while still not rooted. e.g. Shortcuts that take you into specific parts of an app, Notificiation Toggles, widgets, multiple launchers etc.
-you can customize iOS too, but its up to personal preference, not everyone wants to replace all their icons and have a bunch of widgets, which by the way drain battery and cause lag issues on android
9. Notifications- IOS users may miss a call, but unless they manually check the notifications bar, they've got no clue about it.
-i dont know what youre talking about because anything i miss is displayed in the lockscreen or has counters over the app icon in the homescreen, again you FAIL.
10. The small screen on the iPhone is up to personal preferences, but it has 4:3 aspect ratio which is old technology and makes watching videos terrible
- it is a smaller screen but to say that watching videos is terrible is just an android fan boy bash comment towards apple devices. makes you look stupid and childish quite frankly.
11. The hardware is really fragile as it takes one drop to ruin everything, while the buttons often don't work after a (long) period of time with the phone
-i think the same can be said for most android devices as well, ive dropped my iphone a few times and only got some knicks here and there same with my SGSII but it never ruined everything like you said, and ive havent had buttons stop working on my 3g 3gs or 4s, and i press them like 1000 times a day... fail
12. Jailbreaking an IOS device gives less freedom than rooting does. People may have to downgrade to jailbreak or may lose their apps when updating to new software. How annoying is that?
-you back up apps using titanium when flashing and similar modding activities? same can be done on iOS with for example ifunbox or similar apps and programs. FAIL
13. IOS devices don't have external memory
-this is true but not all of us need a 64gig external my 32gb internal is more than enough
14. IOS devices don't have fm radio
- true but its not a big deal, really
15. IOS devices don't have a smartdialer
-true but not a big deal since most people use contacts apps on both ios and android
16. IPhone has lesser specs than high-end Android devices e.g. NFC thus less features( Wallet)
-their specs may not be "high end" but its more than enough for most users. and NFC is not even mainstream enough to use it all the time. only place ive ever used it is at certain gas stations and jack in the box.
17. The contacts integration is much weaker on IOS
-what does "weaker" even mean? thats a vague term and you sound like an idiot. theres an app for that.
18. You don't have the freedom to select default app for a specific action on IOS, so you can't get e.g. Swype Keyboard
-this may be true but again its up to personal preference if you want those kinds of extra mods, stock apps and functions on the iOS are perfectly fine for most users.
19. Emulation on Android is much wider and way better while still not rooted
-emulation? you mean snes and stuff? iOS can do that too....
20. Connectivity with devices of a different brand is unheard of at Apple- whilst on Android you can wirelessy connect to PS3, XBOX, TV, PC, controllers etc
- i can connect my iphone to a wide array of different brand electronics.....
so long story short its up to the user, your fan boy rant is ridiculous and pointless like so many other people have stated, this needs to be deleted, and if you ban him from xda as well, no one will miss him.
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1. IOS Crashes more than Android
-my iOS devices never "crash" unlike my android devices that from time to time freeze up or force close, requiring a shutdown or battery pull. and that article you mentioned aboved is talking about apps crashing not the OS itself. FAIL
2. IOS has fake multitasking where you can't download while doing anything else and apps are put into suspension when you leave them and stop running.
-this may be true but multitasking on most android devices causes lag and force closes. Some apps are actually terminated by the android OS automatically to free memory.
3. Google apps are much better on Android with better interfaces(e.g. YouTube) and more functionality (e.g. Chrome, Navigation)
-well of course Google would pay attention to their apps for their OS more. but theres really nothing wrong with the youtube app on iOS
4. There is no Flash player on IOS
-everyone knows flash on android is pretty bad, laggy and not really reliable as watching it in the video app.
5. Sharing is very limited on IOS where you simply don't get the choices you get on Android
-this may be true but this also opens up the risk of malicious files being transmitted through the devices.
6. File Management on IOS simply isn't there so you can't attach anything to emails or messages
-theres ways around that actually. anyattach, ifile, and probably many more. but still risks of malicious attacks.
7. The Appstore may have more apps and "better" games but it doesn't have the functionality and productivity the Play Store has. Simply because Android gives you the option if you want to give a life-saving app like Cerberus, administrator permissions
-iOS does have the newer and "better" apps. We can get them months or years before android users do. I find being on android you have to wait at times for an app to be made specifically for your hardware. Also apps similar to cerberus can be obtained on iOS but can be pointless if people can google how to restore iOS or android devices rendering those apps useless when stolen.
8. Flexibility and customization - Android is capable of beautiful things while still not rooted. e.g. Shortcuts that take you into specific parts of an app, Notificiation Toggles, widgets, multiple launchers etc.
-you can customize iOS too, but its up to personal preference, not everyone wants to replace all their icons and have a bunch of widgets, which by the way drain battery and cause lag issues on android
9. Notifications- IOS users may miss a call, but unless they manually check the notifications bar, they've got no clue about it.
-i dont know what youre talking about because anything i miss is displayed in the lockscreen or has counters over the app icon in the homescreen, again you FAIL.
10. The small screen on the iPhone is up to personal preferences, but it has 4:3 aspect ratio which is old technology and makes watching videos terrible
- it is a smaller screen but to say that watching videos is terrible is just an android fan boy bash comment towards apple devices. makes you look stupid and childish quite frankly.
11. The hardware is really fragile as it takes one drop to ruin everything, while the buttons often don't work after a (long) period of time with the phone
-i think the same can be said for most android devices as well, ive dropped my iphone a few times and only got some knicks here and there same with my SGSII but it never ruined everything like you said, and ive havent had buttons stop working on my 3g 3gs or 4s, and i press them like 1000 times a day... fail
12. Jailbreaking an IOS device gives less freedom than rooting does. People may have to downgrade to jailbreak or may lose their apps when updating to new software. How annoying is that?
-you back up apps using titanium when flashing and similar modding activities? same can be done on iOS with for example ifunbox or similar apps and programs. FAIL
13. IOS devices don't have external memory
-this is true but not all of us need a 64gig external my 32gb internal is more than enough
14. IOS devices don't have fm radio
- true but its not a big deal, really
15. IOS devices don't have a smartdialer
-true but not a big deal since most people use contacts apps on both ios and android
16. IPhone has lesser specs than high-end Android devices e.g. NFC thus less features( Wallet)
-their specs may not be "high end" but its more than enough for most users. and NFC is not even mainstream enough to use it all the time. only place ive ever used it is at certain gas stations and jack in the box.
17. The contacts integration is much weaker on IOS
-what does "weaker" even mean? thats a vague term and you sound like an idiot. theres an app for that.
18. You don't have the freedom to select default app for a specific action on IOS, so you can't get e.g. Swype Keyboard
-this may be true but again its up to personal preference if you want those kinds of extra mods, stock apps and functions on the iOS are perfectly fine for most users.
19. Emulation on Android is much wider and way better while still not rooted
-emulation? you mean snes and stuff? iOS can do that too....
20. Connectivity with devices of a different brand is unheard of at Apple- whilst on Android you can wirelessy connect to PS3, XBOX, TV, PC, controllers etc
- i can connect my iphone to a wide array of different brand electronics.....
so long story short its up to the user, your fan boy rant is ridiculous and pointless like so many other people have stated, this needs to be deleted, and if you ban him from xda as well, no one will miss him.
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Well you know android. They are specialy made. Like the xpria play is for gamers and the HTC chacha is for Facebook geeks and the htc wildfire s is for teens. We all have our own android.
Lets just agree that blackberry is worst then android or iPhone.
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Ok, you may be right, but this is a general thing and has nothing to do with the Xperia Play section.
Also, you may start a flame war.
mr40kalz said:
1. IOS Crashes more than Android
-my iOS devices never "crash" unlike my android devices that from time to time freeze up or force close, requiring a shutdown or battery pull. and that article you mentioned aboved is talking about apps crashing not the OS itself. FAIL
My Android only once crashed.
2. IOS has fake multitasking where you can't download while doing anything else and apps are put into suspension when you leave them and stop running.
-this may be true but multitasking on most android devices causes lag and force closes. Some apps are actually terminated by the android OS automatically to free memory.
Still better than no multitasking.
3. Google apps are much better on Android with better interfaces(e.g. YouTube) and more functionality (e.g. Chrome, Navigation)
-well of course Google would pay attention to their apps for their OS more. but theres really nothing wrong with the youtube app on iOS
They pay more attention to their OS like you said, so they're probably better.
4. There is no Flash player on IOS
-everyone knows flash on android is pretty bad, laggy and not really reliable as watching it in the video app.
It isn't laggy at all for me, just sayin'.
5. Sharing is very limited on IOS where you simply don't get the choices you get on Android
-this may be true but this also opens up the risk of malicious files being transmitted through the devices.
Do you know anyone who got a virus on their Android? Didn't think so.
6. File Management on IOS simply isn't there so you can't attach anything to emails or messages
-theres ways around that actually. anyattach, ifile, and probably many more. but still risks of malicious attacks.
So you need an app for that? Weak.
7. The Appstore may have more apps and "better" games but it doesn't have the functionality and productivity the Play Store has. Simply because Android gives you the option if you want to give a life-saving app like Cerberus, administrator permissions
-iOS does have the newer and "better" apps. We can get them months or years before android users do. I find being on android you have to wait at times for an app to be made specifically for your hardware. Also apps similar to cerberus can be obtained on iOS but can be pointless if people can google how to restore iOS or android devices rendering those apps useless when stolen.
There might be more apps for iPhone, but you can't really give them something like root permission.
8. Flexibility and customization - Android is capable of beautiful things while still not rooted. e.g. Shortcuts that take you into specific parts of an app, Notificiation Toggles, widgets, multiple launchers etc.
-you can customize iOS too, but its up to personal preference, not everyone wants to replace all their icons and have a bunch of widgets, which by the way drain battery and cause lag issues on android
You can change almost everything on Android. And I don't really think widgets cause that much lag.
9. Notifications- IOS users may miss a call, but unless they manually check the notifications bar, they've got no clue about it.
-i dont know what youre talking about because anything i miss is displayed in the lockscreen or has counters over the app icon in the homescreen, again you FAIL.
Yea, that was kinda a fail indeed.
10. The small screen on the iPhone is up to personal preferences, but it has 4:3 aspect ratio which is old technology and makes watching videos terrible
- it is a smaller screen but to say that watching videos is terrible is just an android fan boy bash comment towards apple devices. makes you look stupid and childish quite frankly.
No, if you want to watch widescreen movies you have big black borders and a smaller screen.
11. The hardware is really fragile as it takes one drop to ruin everything, while the buttons often don't work after a (long) period of time with the phone
-i think the same can be said for most android devices as well, ive dropped my iphone a few times and only got some knicks here and there same with my SGSII but it never ruined everything like you said, and ive havent had buttons stop working on my 3g 3gs or 4s, and i press them like 1000 times a day... fail
iPhones break quicker because of the glass, and explode sometimes.
12. Jailbreaking an IOS device gives less freedom than rooting does. People may have to downgrade to jailbreak or may lose their apps when updating to new software. How annoying is that?
-you back up apps using titanium when flashing and similar modding activities? same can be done on iOS with for example ifunbox or similar apps and programs. FAIL
But can you overclock an iPhone?
13. IOS devices don't have external memory
-this is true but not all of us need a 64gig external my 32gb internal is more than enough
"Most of us".
14. IOS devices don't have fm radio
- true but its not a big deal, really
Or is it?
15. IOS devices don't have a smartdialer
-true but not a big deal since most people use contacts apps on both ios and android
Agreed, I don't use it.
16. IPhone has lesser specs than high-end Android devices e.g. NFC thus less features( Wallet)
-their specs may not be "high end" but its more than enough for most users. and NFC is not even mainstream enough to use it all the time. only place ive ever used it is at certain gas stations and jack in the box.
Maybe for now, but that might, and will, change.
17. The contacts integration is much weaker on IOS
-what does "weaker" even mean? thats a vague term and you sound like an idiot. theres an app for that.
Depends on your defenition.
18. You don't have the freedom to select default app for a specific action on IOS, so you can't get e.g. Swype Keyboard
-this may be true but again its up to personal preference if you want those kinds of extra mods, stock apps and functions on the iOS are perfectly fine for most users.
"For most users."
19. Emulation on Android is much wider and way better while still not rooted
-emulation? you mean snes and stuff? iOS can do that too....
Not without jailbreaking. 'Nuff said.
20. Connectivity with devices of a different brand is unheard of at Apple- whilst on Android you can wirelessy connect to PS3, XBOX, TV, PC, controllers etc
- i can connect my iphone to a wide array of different brand electronics.....
Probably not to a PS3 controller.
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Seriously
Do they get this type of post on the Apple forums?
@ridder215215 I don't believe the person you are replying to was trying to say that iOS is better than android, he's right it's up to personal preference. So you replying to him still trying to make a point that android is better with your childish comments, makes you sound/look like an even bigger moron, "Just sayin".
If you want to battle on which platform is better take it to another damn forum. You guys sound like old ladies going through menopause. "Just sayin" and "Nuff said"
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I recently got myself a Nexus 4, my first Android phone, and had been using it as my main phone for the past five days. I come from the iOS world (keen jailbreaker) and my initial reactions were very positive:
Love widgets and how convenient they can be
Love the extent of customisation
Love the big screen and clean UI in general
Love the hardware (camera and speed)
Love Google service integration (maps, contact, calendar) = just works
However, there is one aspect that really bothers me and I wanted to hear what other people think.
APPS.
iOS apps are often more polished than their Android equivalent, in another word they contain less bugs. I find Android apps crash more often and some of the functions don’t always work. Example: I found a bug in Skype that the ringing tone continues to sound even after the call is connected. Skype has been around for so many years and yet there is a bug?
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Android don’t always get the newest or most updated apps because it is easier for developers to create apps on iOS. This can lead to some core function of an apps missing compare to their equivalent on iOS. Example: I have a Synology NAS at home that acts as my media hub, which can be remotely accessed by Synology-made streaming apps on the iOS. On Android, the video app isn’t available and the music app is very buggy and lacks some very core functions.
.
Due to the ever increasing range of Android devices, that is at a pace faster than iOS devices, I feel there is a greater chance of an Android device becoming unsupported by an app than an iOS device. This means potentially one has to upgrade to a new Android device sooner than they can afford or wish to.
.
There is a greater range of apps, including games, on iOS. Example: I really would like a decent photo editing app, such as Snapseed, on my Android but can’t seem to find one that I like. Official Simplenotes app is also unavailable on Android.
I suspect the defragmentation of the Android ecosystem is, in part, responsible for the problems I mentioned and it’s something I don’t see Google can do much about anytime soon. Therefore, in my mind, the situation is likely to remain the same for a while which makes Android less appealing to me. Understandably, it is a complex and widespread issue that is inherent in the Android world.
Sorry about my boring post but I have two days left to refund my Nexus 4. Should I keep it or refund it?
Thanks guys
hankdu said:
I recently got myself a Nexus 4, my first Android phone, and had been using it as my main phone for the past five days. I come from the iOS world (keen jailbreaker) and my initial reactions were very positive:
Love widgets and how convenient they can be
Love the extent of customisation
Love the big screen and clean UI in general
Love the hardware (camera and speed)
Love Google service integration (maps, contact, calendar) = just works
However, there is one aspect that really bothers me and I wanted to hear what other people think.
APPS.
iOS apps are often more polished than their Android equivalent, in another word they contain less bugs. I find Android apps crash more often and some of the functions don’t always work. Example: I found a bug in Skype that the ringing tone continues to sound even after the call is connected. Skype has been around for so many years and yet there is a bug?
.
Android don’t always get the newest or most updated apps because it is easier for developers to create apps on iOS. This can lead to some core function of an apps missing compare to their equivalent on iOS. Example: I have a Synology NAS at home that acts as my media hub, which can be remotely accessed by Synology-made streaming apps on the iOS. On Android, the video app isn’t available and the music app is very buggy and lacks some very core functions.
.
Due to the ever increasing range of Android devices, that is at a pace faster than iOS devices, I feel there is a greater chance of an Android device becoming unsupported by an app than an iOS device. This means potentially one has to upgrade to a new Android device sooner than they can afford or wish to.
.
There is a greater range of apps, including games, on iOS. Example: I really would like a decent photo editing app, such as Snapseed, on my Android but can’t seem to find one that I like. Official Simplenotes app is also unavailable on Android.
I suspect the defragmentation of the Android ecosystem is, in part, responsible for the problems I mentioned and it’s something I don’t see Google can do much about anytime soon. Therefore, in my mind, the situation is likely to remain the same for a while which makes Android less appealing to me. Understandably, it is a complex and widespread issue that is inherent in the Android world.
Sorry about my boring post but I have two days left to refund my Nexus 4. Should I keep it or refund it?
Thanks guys
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Sure, it's easy to develop a "polished" app with no bugs when your consumer audience is using a handful of IOS-based devices. The reason Android apps SEEM more buggy is that there are hundreds of different devices that use the Android OS. Problems are going to arise due to differences in hardware, but a good developer nails these problems and their app will evolve into a polished, bug-free work of art.
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hankdu said:
Sorry about my boring post but I have two days left to refund my Nexus 4. Should I keep it or refund it?
Thanks guys
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To answer your question, though, you should keep it. There's not a WHOLE lot going on with the nexus yet because of availability issues, but bugs will be squashed. Have patience. As more devs get their hands on it, it will get a lot better.
Refund it - that is one more device available for us on the play store ?
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I won't tell you that you're a fan boy, or that you're stupid for thinking the way you do. It's clear.
Ask yourself this: are apps what you need to make your phone productive and useful?
I asked myself this question and found out, no. I use core apps like chrome, power amp, twitter and they're all well polished apps.
The freedom of the OS matters more to me than the apps, then again android apps are that bad.
Good luck
Return it. You want to just use the phone, as a phone.
ios is for you.
Photo apps
hankdu said:
I recently got myself a Nexus 4, my first Android phone, and had been using it as my main phone for the past five days. I come from the iOS world (keen jailbreaker) and my initial reactions were very positive:
Love widgets and how convenient they can be
Love the extent of customisation
Love the big screen and clean UI in general
Love the hardware (camera and speed)
Love Google service integration (maps, contact, calendar) = just works
However, there is one aspect that really bothers me and I wanted to hear what other people think.
APPS.
iOS apps are often more polished than their Android equivalent, in another word they contain less bugs. I find Android apps crash more often and some of the functions don’t always work. Example: I found a bug in Skype that the ringing tone continues to sound even after the call is connected. Skype has been around for so many years and yet there is a bug?
.
Android don’t always get the newest or most updated apps because it is easier for developers to create apps on iOS. This can lead to some core function of an apps missing compare to their equivalent on iOS. Example: I have a Synology NAS at home that acts as my media hub, which can be remotely accessed by Synology-made streaming apps on the iOS. On Android, the video app isn’t available and the music app is very buggy and lacks some very core functions.
.
Due to the ever increasing range of Android devices, that is at a pace faster than iOS devices, I feel there is a greater chance of an Android device becoming unsupported by an app than an iOS device. This means potentially one has to upgrade to a new Android device sooner than they can afford or wish to.
.
There is a greater range of apps, including games, on iOS. Example: I really would like a decent photo editing app, such as Snapseed, on my Android but can’t seem to find one that I like. Official Simplenotes app is also unavailable on Android.
I suspect the defragmentation of the Android ecosystem is, in part, responsible for the problems I mentioned and it’s something I don’t see Google can do much about anytime soon. Therefore, in my mind, the situation is likely to remain the same for a while which makes Android less appealing to me. Understandably, it is a complex and widespread issue that is inherent in the Android world.
Sorry about my boring post but I have two days left to refund my Nexus 4. Should I keep it or refund it?
Thanks guys
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Here comes a list of photo apps I hope you will like. I have them all installed on my Note 2 and am often forced to use more than one of them to get the results i wish. This does not however bother me. Nor does it bother me that some cost over a whole $1 to buy.
PicsPlayPro + great for making basic adjustments - no sharpness or fine rotation
Pixlr - this is brand new and very promising. Has both fine rotation and sharpness - no historgram or curves like PicsPlayPro
TouchRetouch +fantastic at removing annoying objects or people from plain backgrounds - you must know it's limits
Afterfocus + the best I know of for getting that shallow portrait depth of field.
Aviary
SketchBookPro - this is more of an art program but you can import pictures add layers, text and paint to retouch. - you need the S-Pen
PicSayPro: lots of gimmicky filters and effect +++layer masks!!
The following are a collection that are both camera and filters or just cameras
Vignette
LittlePhoto
MagicHour
HDRPro ProHDR? +++very good for landscapes, interior architecture -don't try photo people
Picturesque + some amazing effects can be achieved with this app. Check out #picturesque on Instagram
Lastly Cymera needs to be mention for its 5 different cameras, its fun filters
Hope this helps. Welcome to android.
Oh, I almost forgot my favourite camera FV-5. Silly name great camera.
I would never get an Android tablet because of the lack of premium quality apps. I would want apps like Garage Band which Android has nothing remotely close to. Like on a PC the app selection for a tablet is the most important aspect of the device, and iOS crushes Android in that department.
I can live with the limited premium app selection for a phone because I dont use my phone as a computer or for doing serious tasks.
dankoman said:
Sure, it's easy to develop a "polished" app with no bugs when your consumer audience is using a handful of IOS-based devices. The reason Android apps SEEM more buggy is that there are hundreds of different devices that use the Android OS. Problems are going to arise due to differences in hardware, but a good developer nails these problems and their app will evolve into a polished, bug-free work of art.
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To answer your question, though, you should keep it. There's not a WHOLE lot going on with the nexus yet because of availability issues, but bugs will be squashed. Have patience. As more devs get their hands on it, it will get a lot better.
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After some thoughts and insightful opinions from other android users - I have decided to keep the device. You are right, the availability is an issue at the moment and I believe android apps are only going to be come more polished as time pasts.
qwahchees said:
I won't tell you that you're a fan boy, or that you're stupid for thinking the way you do. It's clear.
Ask yourself this: are apps what you need to make your phone productive and useful?
I asked myself this question and found out, no. I use core apps like chrome, power amp, twitter and they're all well polished apps.
The freedom of the OS matters more to me than the apps, then again android apps are that bad.
Good luck
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You've made some very good points and I seemed to have forgotten the key here is how I intend to use the device. All the core apps I use are all very polished on Android and, in fact, I like them more than on iOS because of all the available customization options. iOS at the moment has no jailbreak for many of their new devices and I foresee jailbreaking becoming more and more difficult. I enjoy the freedom on Android. Thanks for your advice :good:
Dmwitz said:
Here comes a list of photo apps I hope you will like. I have them all installed on my Note 2 and am often forced to use more than one of them to get the results i wish. This does not however bother me. Nor does it bother me that some cost over a whole $1 to buy.
PicsPlayPro + great for making basic adjustments - no sharpness or fine rotation
Pixlr - this is brand new and very promising. Has both fine rotation and sharpness - no historgram or curves like PicsPlayPro
TouchRetouch +fantastic at removing annoying objects or people from plain backgrounds - you must know it's limits
Afterfocus + the best I know of for getting that shallow portrait depth of field.
Aviary
SketchBookPro - this is more of an art program but you can import pictures add layers, text and paint to retouch. - you need the S-Pen
PicSayPro: lots of gimmicky filters and effect +++layer masks!!
The following are a collection that are both camera and filters or just cameras
Vignette
LittlePhoto
MagicHour
HDRPro ProHDR? +++very good for landscapes, interior architecture -don't try photo people
Picturesque + some amazing effects can be achieved with this app. Check out #picturesque on Instagram
Lastly Cymera needs to be mention for its 5 different cameras, its fun filters
Hope this helps. Welcome to android.
Oh, I almost forgot my favourite camera FV-5. Silly name great camera.
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WOW! THANK YOU! That has saved me so much time and they all look very intriguing! One of the positive things about Android is that there seems to always be a lite version to try out before one decides to upgrade to the full version. I may be wrong with what I said earlier about couldn't find a good photo editing app. Again, much appreciated for your recommendations :good:
idividebyzero said:
I would never get an Android tablet because of the lack of premium quality apps. I would want apps like Garage Band which Android has nothing remotely close to. Like on a PC the app selection for a tablet is the most important aspect of the device, and iOS crushes Android in that department.
I can live with the limited premium app selection for a phone because I dont use my phone as a computer or for doing serious tasks.
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I know what you mean - i got an ipad and that is what I use if there is an iOS app that I really want to try out. Its very hard to give up ios completely.
After reading the responses I got from this thread, I have decided not to return my N4. Here goes why:
None of the android apps is buggy to the extent that they are unusable. I suspect since JB has only just been released, bugs will be ironed out gradually. Android apps may not have all the functions as their iOS equivalent but the missing functions are not absolutely vital to me. There are usually some work around for the missing feature, such as use another app or just simply use a laptop. Many of the core apps I regularly use on my phone are polished on Android. In fact, I actually prefer the experience of these core apps on Android more than on iOS. The amount of tweaking I can do is simply too much to give up after having enjoyed the freedom of doing so. When I first unzipped a file on the N4, oh my, I was like “sweet!”.
I had forgotten that the key to my choice between iOS and Android was how I intended to use my phone. Having recognized this the choice between the two systems was an easy one - Android was clearly better (for me):
gmail and youtube apps were both better
video playback supported more format
reading experience was amazing thanks to the amazing screen
web browsing was wayyyyy smoother
apps were better integrated into each other
Looks like the N4 is here to stay
Thanks everyone for your input!
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I would never get an Android tablet because of the lack of premium quality apps. I would want apps like Garage Band which Android has nothing remotely close to. Like on a PC the app selection for a tablet is the most important aspect of the device, and iOS crushes Android in that department.
I can live with the limited premium app selection for a phone because I dont use my phone as a computer or for doing serious tasks.
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I am exactly the opposite. I can't really do anything on iPad since what I do need jailbreak at least. I need a Tab that could run Linux, or access one. I'm waiting for the day it comes to some Android Tablet and then buy 1. I now have an iPad that is sitting somewhere. Ever since I received my Nexus 4 I have never touched the iPad again. I don't have an Android tab to compare, but my friend's tab are pretty bland. It's pretty much a blown up version of the phone.
You can run Ubuntu on N7.
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I would defiantly agree with you. iOS apps are more polished on the whole. While this isn't 100% true, I feel like many apps on iOS are more trustworthy and more likely to just work. Android on the other hand you have to filter through a ton of crap...
But then a polished Android app is just as functional as a polished iOS app. There is no reason why a well made app for iOS would be better than a well made Android app.
hankdu said:
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[*]Due to the ever increasing range of Android devices, that is at a pace faster than iOS devices, I feel there is a greater chance of an Android device becoming unsupported by an app than an iOS device. This means potentially one has to upgrade to a new Android device sooner than they can afford or wish to.
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I think you feel this way because you come from the Apple ecosystem. As a quick and dirty Apple developer I find myself getting increasingly frustrated with our newer OS updates breaking things. Even pulling sysinfo seems to be different with every OS they release.
Google as well as their app developers are both well aware that most of the android community is still running on Gingerbread, so I don't think you'll see your Nexus 4 go out of style anytime soon. Keep in mind that you also have a Nexus device, and will in all likeliness be one of the first to taste Key Lime Pie whenever it's released.
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You can run Ubuntu on N7.
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I know. Thats why i said that. Wait until the day you can run Ubuntu on iPad.
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wngmv said:
I know. Thats why i said that. Wait until the day you can run Ubuntu on iPad.
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I must have misunderstood your post. It seemed like you were waiting for Ubuntu to come to an android tab from the way you worded it.
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You chose well. I had every iPhone from the original to the 4s and I do agree with you that apps seem more polished, but that's not everything. I've actually read articles where iOS apps crash more than android, but apple's way of programming will hold a still of the last image on the screen until the app restarts, all without the user knowing... Now, I have no proof of this, it's just something I read.
As for android, there's just more that can be done even without rooting. I was so tired of the jailbreak cat and mouse game with apple, but everything that I couldn't get on iOS, is all right there on android.
My last point in beating this dead horse I'd that this entire response was easily written by using Google's stock swiping keyboard! Nothing like that with apple....
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I consider myself lucky to have a jail broken ipad 3. Jailbreak is declining and it's a pity.
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