So we've all been there: trying to explain to an Apple fan why Android is better.
Well here I've compiled a list of the reasons why Android is better, while I'm open to any suggestions or corrections.
I'm not an Android fanboy, I'm a fan of technology and I own Apple devices, so this is pretty objective.
I'm leaving out my personal preferences and opinions, only putting my examples into cases the average user will find himself in.
1. IOS Crashes more than Android http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomiogeron/2012/02/02/does-ios-crash-more-than-android-a-data-dive/
2. IOS has fake multitasking where you can't download while doing anything else and apps are put into suspension when you leave them and stop running.
3. Google apps are much better on Android with better interfaces(e.g. YouTube) and more functionality (e.g. Chrome, Navigation)
4. There is no Flash player on IOS
5. Sharing is very limited on IOS where you simply don't get the choices you get on Android
6. File Management on IOS simply isn't there so you can't attach anything to emails or messages
7. The Appstore may have more apps and "better" games but it doesn't have the functionality and productivity the Play Store has. Simply because Android gives you the option if you want to give a life-saving app like Cerberus, administrator permissions
8. Flexibility and customization - Android is capable of beautiful things while still not rooted. e.g. Shortcuts that take you into specific parts of an app, Notificiation Toggles, widgets, multiple launchers etc.
9. Notifications- IOS users may miss a call, but unless they manually check the notifications bar, they've got no clue about it.
10. The small screen on the iPhone is up to personal preferences, but it has 4:3 aspect ratio which is old technology and makes watching videos terrible
11. The hardware is really fragile as it takes one drop to ruin everything, while the buttons often don't work after a (long) period of time with the phone
12. Jailbreaking an IOS device gives less freedom than rooting does. People may have to downgrade to jailbreak or may lose their apps when updating to new software. How annoying is that?
13. IOS devices don't have external memory
14. IOS devices don't have fm radio
15. IOS devices don't have a smartdialer
16. IPhone has lesser specs than high-end Android devices e.g. NFC thus less features( Wallet)
17. The contacts integration is much weaker on IOS
18. You don't have the freedom to select default app for a specific action on IOS, so you can't get e.g. Swype Keyboard
19. Emulation on Android is much wider and way better while still not rooted
20. Connectivity with devices of a different brand is unheard of at Apple- whilst on Android you can wirelessy connect to PS3, XBOX, TV, PC, controllers etc
I left my opinion for the very end. I believe that IOS devices are overpriced, overrated and mainstream. This is the reason that overrules all for me because People buy IOS devices just because it has the Apple logo on it. This disgusts me ( and I'm sure most Android users) as it shows ineffable ignorance.
So there are all these (incredibly) annoying gripes on IOS, yet people still buy iPhones which is something really incomprehensible.
Android isn't perfect: it suffers from some ecosystem issues, slow updates(which is going to be fixed with the coming of Jelly bean), bloatware (removable when rooted), fragmentation etc.
However Android has progressed at such a rapid pace compared to IOS these past years, that it simply is much more promising and full of potential.
P.S IOS6 was announced after I wrote this. Since we don't know what Jellybean is going to be like, there shouldn't be any comparison until both are running. However, it is clear that Apple is trying to catch up with Android with the release of IOS6, as most features have been working on Android phones in one way or another.
Well most is correct but I think belongs in the android section. Not the Xperia PLAY section.
And whats the point on this thread? :S if you want something simple go with iOS if you want custom roms, themes and moding go with Android, Some say that iOS are better for woman, because they usualy like simple and easier things, I have a iPhone and the Xperia Play, they are both great but I perfer the Xperia Play because I can mod it and use custom roms, but that doesnt make the Android Better, it depends much of the point of view of the person, please Remember that iOS and Android are aimed for diferent things! If I dint care about Hacks, mods, themes, tweaks, etc, I'll probably be better with just a iPhone.
iOS is good for people who want a phone OS that hides the options and multitasking from the user. I prefer the iOS for my tablets because I like the large screen for 1.5 apps at a time (music and web browsing for example). On my phone I prefer customizing it to exactly what I like. That for me is why I have an Xperia Play. I get exactly what I want. Long live choices for phones!
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Thread needs to be deleted as it has NOTHING to do with xperia play. Good job reading the rules before posting.
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Thread needs to be deleted as it has NOTHING to do with xperia play. Good job reading the rules before posting.
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Pfft whatever buddy it has something to do with the play. ANDROID is the os he's just making some key comparisons
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Pfft whatever buddy it has something to do with the play. ANDROID is the os he's just making some key comparisons
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I guess you're another genius that doesn't know the order of things at xda. If you can't go by the rules then there's no need for you to be at xda. There is an android general forum for bs like this. THIS specific division is pertaining to xperia plays NOT android os. Read and learn.
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I guess you're another genius that doesn't know the order of things at xda. If you can't go by the rules then there's no need for you to be at xda. There is an android general forum for bs like this. THIS specific division is pertaining to xperia plays NOT android os. Read and learn.
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Pfft..... Sent you a pm have a nice read
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I have to agree with you (the OP) on apple vs. Android.
I've had an itouch for 2 years now ( 1st year it was a 1st gen and 2nd and on.it is 4th gen) and ever since I got my play my itouch sits in my speaker dock on I heart radio with Air1 radio.....it hasn't left the dock in months.
My two android devices though ( my cm7 nook color and my play), I use constantly. I use my nook if I want a bigger screen for gaming emulators while using my ps3 controller and stand/case I got from best buy, and my play for everything else, even emulators when I'm on the go and don't have a need to carry my nook color around....plus we can.change roms whenever we want, where as with apple products we have to do the tidious jailbreaking to even do any some of good stuff.
Thanks for this thread.
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Thread needs to be deleted as it has NOTHING to do with xperia play. Good job reading the rules before posting.
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Sorry man, I know this is the wrong section. I was in a hurry when I was posting this and it ended up here by accident. I'm pretty new here, so I'm not sure what I have to do to put things right though.
I own both and both are good.
It's really a personal opinion on which is better. So this is a pointless thread which is also posted in the wrong section. And exactly what are you trying to achieve with this? You expect all Apple users to abandon ship over this post? Everyone knows the difference, flaws and positives of each device and choose accordingly to their needs. So why do you need to explain to an Apple user why android is better? Sh*ts and giggles? You say you're not a fan boy but this thread pretty much confirms you are. Sell your Apple products and stick with android, no one cares. I share with my wife and son an Xplay, GNex, and 4s for our phones + an iPad2, Kindle Fire and Asus Transformer prime for our tablets and we feel none of them are better than another. It's up to the user, your fan boy rage is wasting space.
1. IOS Crashes more than Android
-my iOS devices never "crash" unlike my android devices that from time to time freeze up or force close, requiring a shutdown or battery pull. and that article you mentioned aboved is talking about apps crashing not the OS itself. FAIL
2. IOS has fake multitasking where you can't download while doing anything else and apps are put into suspension when you leave them and stop running.
-this may be true but multitasking on most android devices causes lag and force closes. Some apps are actually terminated by the android OS automatically to free memory.
3. Google apps are much better on Android with better interfaces(e.g. YouTube) and more functionality (e.g. Chrome, Navigation)
-well of course Google would pay attention to their apps for their OS more. but theres really nothing wrong with the youtube app on iOS
4. There is no Flash player on IOS
-everyone knows flash on android is pretty bad, laggy and not really reliable as watching it in the video app.
5. Sharing is very limited on IOS where you simply don't get the choices you get on Android
-this may be true but this also opens up the risk of malicious files being transmitted through the devices.
6. File Management on IOS simply isn't there so you can't attach anything to emails or messages
-theres ways around that actually. anyattach, ifile, and probably many more. but still risks of malicious attacks.
7. The Appstore may have more apps and "better" games but it doesn't have the functionality and productivity the Play Store has. Simply because Android gives you the option if you want to give a life-saving app like Cerberus, administrator permissions
-iOS does have the newer and "better" apps. We can get them months or years before android users do. I find being on android you have to wait at times for an app to be made specifically for your hardware. Also apps similar to cerberus can be obtained on iOS but can be pointless if people can google how to restore iOS or android devices rendering those apps useless when stolen.
8. Flexibility and customization - Android is capable of beautiful things while still not rooted. e.g. Shortcuts that take you into specific parts of an app, Notificiation Toggles, widgets, multiple launchers etc.
-you can customize iOS too, but its up to personal preference, not everyone wants to replace all their icons and have a bunch of widgets, which by the way drain battery and cause lag issues on android
9. Notifications- IOS users may miss a call, but unless they manually check the notifications bar, they've got no clue about it.
-i dont know what youre talking about because anything i miss is displayed in the lockscreen or has counters over the app icon in the homescreen, again you FAIL.
10. The small screen on the iPhone is up to personal preferences, but it has 4:3 aspect ratio which is old technology and makes watching videos terrible
- it is a smaller screen but to say that watching videos is terrible is just an android fan boy bash comment towards apple devices. makes you look stupid and childish quite frankly.
11. The hardware is really fragile as it takes one drop to ruin everything, while the buttons often don't work after a (long) period of time with the phone
-i think the same can be said for most android devices as well, ive dropped my iphone a few times and only got some knicks here and there same with my SGSII but it never ruined everything like you said, and ive havent had buttons stop working on my 3g 3gs or 4s, and i press them like 1000 times a day... fail
12. Jailbreaking an IOS device gives less freedom than rooting does. People may have to downgrade to jailbreak or may lose their apps when updating to new software. How annoying is that?
-you back up apps using titanium when flashing and similar modding activities? same can be done on iOS with for example ifunbox or similar apps and programs. FAIL
13. IOS devices don't have external memory
-this is true but not all of us need a 64gig external my 32gb internal is more than enough
14. IOS devices don't have fm radio
- true but its not a big deal, really
15. IOS devices don't have a smartdialer
-true but not a big deal since most people use contacts apps on both ios and android
16. IPhone has lesser specs than high-end Android devices e.g. NFC thus less features( Wallet)
-their specs may not be "high end" but its more than enough for most users. and NFC is not even mainstream enough to use it all the time. only place ive ever used it is at certain gas stations and jack in the box.
17. The contacts integration is much weaker on IOS
-what does "weaker" even mean? thats a vague term and you sound like an idiot. theres an app for that.
18. You don't have the freedom to select default app for a specific action on IOS, so you can't get e.g. Swype Keyboard
-this may be true but again its up to personal preference if you want those kinds of extra mods, stock apps and functions on the iOS are perfectly fine for most users.
19. Emulation on Android is much wider and way better while still not rooted
-emulation? you mean snes and stuff? iOS can do that too....
20. Connectivity with devices of a different brand is unheard of at Apple- whilst on Android you can wirelessy connect to PS3, XBOX, TV, PC, controllers etc
- i can connect my iphone to a wide array of different brand electronics.....
so long story short its up to the user, your fan boy rant is ridiculous and pointless like so many other people have stated, this needs to be deleted, and if you ban him from xda as well, no one will miss him.
mr40kalz said:
1. IOS Crashes more than Android
-my iOS devices never "crash" unlike my android devices that from time to time freeze up or force close, requiring a shutdown or battery pull. and that article you mentioned aboved is talking about apps crashing not the OS itself. FAIL
2. IOS has fake multitasking where you can't download while doing anything else and apps are put into suspension when you leave them and stop running.
-this may be true but multitasking on most android devices causes lag and force closes. Some apps are actually terminated by the android OS automatically to free memory.
3. Google apps are much better on Android with better interfaces(e.g. YouTube) and more functionality (e.g. Chrome, Navigation)
-well of course Google would pay attention to their apps for their OS more. but theres really nothing wrong with the youtube app on iOS
4. There is no Flash player on IOS
-everyone knows flash on android is pretty bad, laggy and not really reliable as watching it in the video app.
5. Sharing is very limited on IOS where you simply don't get the choices you get on Android
-this may be true but this also opens up the risk of malicious files being transmitted through the devices.
6. File Management on IOS simply isn't there so you can't attach anything to emails or messages
-theres ways around that actually. anyattach, ifile, and probably many more. but still risks of malicious attacks.
7. The Appstore may have more apps and "better" games but it doesn't have the functionality and productivity the Play Store has. Simply because Android gives you the option if you want to give a life-saving app like Cerberus, administrator permissions
-iOS does have the newer and "better" apps. We can get them months or years before android users do. I find being on android you have to wait at times for an app to be made specifically for your hardware. Also apps similar to cerberus can be obtained on iOS but can be pointless if people can google how to restore iOS or android devices rendering those apps useless when stolen.
8. Flexibility and customization - Android is capable of beautiful things while still not rooted. e.g. Shortcuts that take you into specific parts of an app, Notificiation Toggles, widgets, multiple launchers etc.
-you can customize iOS too, but its up to personal preference, not everyone wants to replace all their icons and have a bunch of widgets, which by the way drain battery and cause lag issues on android
9. Notifications- IOS users may miss a call, but unless they manually check the notifications bar, they've got no clue about it.
-i dont know what youre talking about because anything i miss is displayed in the lockscreen or has counters over the app icon in the homescreen, again you FAIL.
10. The small screen on the iPhone is up to personal preferences, but it has 4:3 aspect ratio which is old technology and makes watching videos terrible
- it is a smaller screen but to say that watching videos is terrible is just an android fan boy bash comment towards apple devices. makes you look stupid and childish quite frankly.
11. The hardware is really fragile as it takes one drop to ruin everything, while the buttons often don't work after a (long) period of time with the phone
-i think the same can be said for most android devices as well, ive dropped my iphone a few times and only got some knicks here and there same with my SGSII but it never ruined everything like you said, and ive havent had buttons stop working on my 3g 3gs or 4s, and i press them like 1000 times a day... fail
12. Jailbreaking an IOS device gives less freedom than rooting does. People may have to downgrade to jailbreak or may lose their apps when updating to new software. How annoying is that?
-you back up apps using titanium when flashing and similar modding activities? same can be done on iOS with for example ifunbox or similar apps and programs. FAIL
13. IOS devices don't have external memory
-this is true but not all of us need a 64gig external my 32gb internal is more than enough
14. IOS devices don't have fm radio
- true but its not a big deal, really
15. IOS devices don't have a smartdialer
-true but not a big deal since most people use contacts apps on both ios and android
16. IPhone has lesser specs than high-end Android devices e.g. NFC thus less features( Wallet)
-their specs may not be "high end" but its more than enough for most users. and NFC is not even mainstream enough to use it all the time. only place ive ever used it is at certain gas stations and jack in the box.
17. The contacts integration is much weaker on IOS
-what does "weaker" even mean? thats a vague term and you sound like an idiot. theres an app for that.
18. You don't have the freedom to select default app for a specific action on IOS, so you can't get e.g. Swype Keyboard
-this may be true but again its up to personal preference if you want those kinds of extra mods, stock apps and functions on the iOS are perfectly fine for most users.
19. Emulation on Android is much wider and way better while still not rooted
-emulation? you mean snes and stuff? iOS can do that too....
20. Connectivity with devices of a different brand is unheard of at Apple- whilst on Android you can wirelessy connect to PS3, XBOX, TV, PC, controllers etc
- i can connect my iphone to a wide array of different brand electronics.....
so long story short its up to the user, your fan boy rant is ridiculous and pointless like so many other people have stated, this needs to be deleted, and if you ban him from xda as well, no one will miss him.
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Well you know android. They are specialy made. Like the xpria play is for gamers and the HTC chacha is for Facebook geeks and the htc wildfire s is for teens. We all have our own android.
Lets just agree that blackberry is worst then android or iPhone.
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Ok, you may be right, but this is a general thing and has nothing to do with the Xperia Play section.
Also, you may start a flame war.
mr40kalz said:
1. IOS Crashes more than Android
-my iOS devices never "crash" unlike my android devices that from time to time freeze up or force close, requiring a shutdown or battery pull. and that article you mentioned aboved is talking about apps crashing not the OS itself. FAIL
My Android only once crashed.
2. IOS has fake multitasking where you can't download while doing anything else and apps are put into suspension when you leave them and stop running.
-this may be true but multitasking on most android devices causes lag and force closes. Some apps are actually terminated by the android OS automatically to free memory.
Still better than no multitasking.
3. Google apps are much better on Android with better interfaces(e.g. YouTube) and more functionality (e.g. Chrome, Navigation)
-well of course Google would pay attention to their apps for their OS more. but theres really nothing wrong with the youtube app on iOS
They pay more attention to their OS like you said, so they're probably better.
4. There is no Flash player on IOS
-everyone knows flash on android is pretty bad, laggy and not really reliable as watching it in the video app.
It isn't laggy at all for me, just sayin'.
5. Sharing is very limited on IOS where you simply don't get the choices you get on Android
-this may be true but this also opens up the risk of malicious files being transmitted through the devices.
Do you know anyone who got a virus on their Android? Didn't think so.
6. File Management on IOS simply isn't there so you can't attach anything to emails or messages
-theres ways around that actually. anyattach, ifile, and probably many more. but still risks of malicious attacks.
So you need an app for that? Weak.
7. The Appstore may have more apps and "better" games but it doesn't have the functionality and productivity the Play Store has. Simply because Android gives you the option if you want to give a life-saving app like Cerberus, administrator permissions
-iOS does have the newer and "better" apps. We can get them months or years before android users do. I find being on android you have to wait at times for an app to be made specifically for your hardware. Also apps similar to cerberus can be obtained on iOS but can be pointless if people can google how to restore iOS or android devices rendering those apps useless when stolen.
There might be more apps for iPhone, but you can't really give them something like root permission.
8. Flexibility and customization - Android is capable of beautiful things while still not rooted. e.g. Shortcuts that take you into specific parts of an app, Notificiation Toggles, widgets, multiple launchers etc.
-you can customize iOS too, but its up to personal preference, not everyone wants to replace all their icons and have a bunch of widgets, which by the way drain battery and cause lag issues on android
You can change almost everything on Android. And I don't really think widgets cause that much lag.
9. Notifications- IOS users may miss a call, but unless they manually check the notifications bar, they've got no clue about it.
-i dont know what youre talking about because anything i miss is displayed in the lockscreen or has counters over the app icon in the homescreen, again you FAIL.
Yea, that was kinda a fail indeed.
10. The small screen on the iPhone is up to personal preferences, but it has 4:3 aspect ratio which is old technology and makes watching videos terrible
- it is a smaller screen but to say that watching videos is terrible is just an android fan boy bash comment towards apple devices. makes you look stupid and childish quite frankly.
No, if you want to watch widescreen movies you have big black borders and a smaller screen.
11. The hardware is really fragile as it takes one drop to ruin everything, while the buttons often don't work after a (long) period of time with the phone
-i think the same can be said for most android devices as well, ive dropped my iphone a few times and only got some knicks here and there same with my SGSII but it never ruined everything like you said, and ive havent had buttons stop working on my 3g 3gs or 4s, and i press them like 1000 times a day... fail
iPhones break quicker because of the glass, and explode sometimes.
12. Jailbreaking an IOS device gives less freedom than rooting does. People may have to downgrade to jailbreak or may lose their apps when updating to new software. How annoying is that?
-you back up apps using titanium when flashing and similar modding activities? same can be done on iOS with for example ifunbox or similar apps and programs. FAIL
But can you overclock an iPhone?
13. IOS devices don't have external memory
-this is true but not all of us need a 64gig external my 32gb internal is more than enough
"Most of us".
14. IOS devices don't have fm radio
- true but its not a big deal, really
Or is it?
15. IOS devices don't have a smartdialer
-true but not a big deal since most people use contacts apps on both ios and android
Agreed, I don't use it.
16. IPhone has lesser specs than high-end Android devices e.g. NFC thus less features( Wallet)
-their specs may not be "high end" but its more than enough for most users. and NFC is not even mainstream enough to use it all the time. only place ive ever used it is at certain gas stations and jack in the box.
Maybe for now, but that might, and will, change.
17. The contacts integration is much weaker on IOS
-what does "weaker" even mean? thats a vague term and you sound like an idiot. theres an app for that.
Depends on your defenition.
18. You don't have the freedom to select default app for a specific action on IOS, so you can't get e.g. Swype Keyboard
-this may be true but again its up to personal preference if you want those kinds of extra mods, stock apps and functions on the iOS are perfectly fine for most users.
"For most users."
19. Emulation on Android is much wider and way better while still not rooted
-emulation? you mean snes and stuff? iOS can do that too....
Not without jailbreaking. 'Nuff said.
20. Connectivity with devices of a different brand is unheard of at Apple- whilst on Android you can wirelessy connect to PS3, XBOX, TV, PC, controllers etc
- i can connect my iphone to a wide array of different brand electronics.....
Probably not to a PS3 controller.
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Do they get this type of post on the Apple forums?
@ridder215215 I don't believe the person you are replying to was trying to say that iOS is better than android, he's right it's up to personal preference. So you replying to him still trying to make a point that android is better with your childish comments, makes you sound/look like an even bigger moron, "Just sayin".
If you want to battle on which platform is better take it to another damn forum. You guys sound like old ladies going through menopause. "Just sayin" and "Nuff said"
Why comment?
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FIRST: the intention of this post it not to flame. These is just my point of view and I would love to hear some other people’s point of view.
This is just an observation from a real cell phone junkie who is coming from WinMo and iPhone to android and is a bit disappointed.
It just feels like the Android platform is overrated and half baked. While it has its “Google apps” advantage, most of the other parts of it are seriously lacking.
Coming from an iPhone(which I hated because of apple’s dictatorship and because it feels like a dumbphone) and the HD2, which is a brilliant device with a very capable OS which has stability issues and lack of new useful apps development, I wanted to try something new with Android. It should have been the prefect mix between openness and development of new useful apps (which WinMo lacks). So far I have been nothing but disappointed.
Some of the issue I noticed and why I think Android is really overrated are:
- Very low end apps. Most of them are poorly designed and unstable. There are a few good apps but none from the major players.
- BUGGY apps!!! One of the reason WinMo was failing is because of cross device support for apps. Apps that would work on one device would not work on another because of different hardware chipsets. I was sure that Google would see this is a point of failure and will make sure this won’t happen with Android. WRONG: almost every app I downloaded has bugs and is not working properly with the N1 and if you just read the comments for the various apps you see the horror. So many people complain about FC’s and instability of the apps. This means that Google simply failed in this area and there is no real cross device support. Each app needs to be tweaked to work on each hardware set to get it right. This is going to be a huge point of failure for the platform.
- Crippled copy and paste. Seriously? You can’t copy and paste from everywhere in version 2.1??? didn’t they learn from apple?
- No built in Tethering. Again this is OS version 2.1 and there is no tethering option unless you root you phone.
- Feels sluggish at time: even on a 1Ghz processor the phone does feel sluggish at time (and yes I close my apps with task manager). Some say it is because the RAM was not fully utilized in this OS. Why have Google released a phone that suppose to have 512MB RAM with only half active? Didn’t they think it would cause bad experience?
- Very poor multimedia support: and I mean VERY poor. Even the built in YouTube Video player will not rescale the video to show on the entire screen if the video was not encoded specifically to the N1 resolution, not to mention other video apps who will NEVER show videos at full screen as they were designed for lower resolutions. There is really no way to watch DIVX or XVID and everything needs to be converted. There are dozens of media players on the market and NONE can do either tasks! And yxflash, the only player that can supposedly play DIVX is doing such a poor job it is a joke. WinMo has ONE player that beats all dozens on the android market. I read somewhere it isrelated to the SDK being very limited in Multimedia. I find it hard to believe that Google is trying to compete with apple witch such a poor Multimedia support. I even purchased OrbLive and the picture quality is extremely poor because they were forced to use the only codec that Android can support for streaming which is 3gp and has very poor quality.
- No big brand name apps: Skype, Sling and many other big brands are simply not there. I know you can use Fring as an alternative (or Nimbuzz) but both are very buggy and have delay when using skype calling. You also can’t turn off the screen when you use the VOIP apps as it is causing the sound to break.
- VPN: very poor support. I can’t get the connection to stay connected while it works just fine on the HD2 and iPhone. The latest software update from Google completely broke VPN support and now it won’t connect at all.
- There is no real way to backup all you apps AND settings of the apps unless you have rooted your phone. If you want to upgrade your ROM or change ROM’s you need to reinstall everything (unless you are rooted and then you can backup your apps settings as well). This is something that should be implemented out of the box. WinMo has exactly the same problem.
- Failure in the gaming area. There are maybe 20 good games on the Market that actually use OpenGL 3d. other games look like they are from the mid 90s. I was hoping to see better games on Android than on WinMo. I guess I was wrong here as well.
I wanted to like Android, I really did, and maybe it will get better with time, however currently it has exactly the issues as WinMo phones has (buggy apps mainly, some OS slowdowns ) and if Google is not going to address these issues they will find themselves in the same position as Microsoft is finding itself now.
For now I’ll have to go back using my HD2 and just wait until Android gets a little better and more usable for me. I just really don’t understand people hate WinMo so much if Android is not much better (at least from my consumer standpoint).
Thanks for reading.
Number one reason and the only one I need to hate WinMo is Internet Exploder. It's broken badly. They had better fix this in 7 or they are done. The fact that you have to use a third party browser to do anything useful is total BS.
I think for most people, who don't want to think to hard, Iphone OS is probably a better choice. The interface is dead simple and there are a ton of apps. Most people won't realize that they are being fenced in.
The majority of your rambling is about apps. I don't think anyone overrates Android's app catalog. Everyone knows it's much smaller than the iPhone's.
It's not overrated in the way that people tend to praise it, which is openness and customization.
I agree on IE but like the fact that you can chose various browsers.
App support is dreadful compared to the Iphone but you have to look at the sales figures in ITMS vs. Market; $ = incentive. Yes right now it's apples and oranges but when someone is researching what device to buy and what carrier to swear allegiance to for 2 years, there are certain variables considered.
Take a heavy facebook user. The iphone fbook app is solid. Yes it has issues, but compared to the android solution, there is no contest. The fact that you have to use m.facebook.com when linking from your notifications panel in android is quite unacceptable (just one of many issues people have brought up). Pandora on the iphone is also quite a bit better than on android.
I disagree in regards to your comment about the phone being snappy. I have my old iphone 3g and my nexus 1 sitting side by side and real world feel says that the n1 wins in performance.
For me there are two things I wish were present with the nexus one/androidOS that are present on the iphone.
1 - app support. That is targeting android.
2 - the keyboard. For some reason I can type far more accurately and with greater speed on the iphone than on my n1. Not a deal breaker at all
You bring up tethering. There is no native tethering on the iphone without jailbreaking or paying for an app (pdanet) for the official stateside carrier (att). Your nexus one has the ability to install pdanet and you can tether all you want at a small price. Of course, you can root your phone and suddenly this ask is satisfied; just like jailbreaking and updating your carrier file.
If you want to talk about setbacks; how about the lack of MMS for the first gen iphones while the 3g/3gs both have this. No reason whatsoever to not include the functionality in the 2g other than slow deprecation of support for the phone...that just sucks.
There are plenty of solid games in Market for your device. I had to watch a video "50 android games" to be made aware of quite a few of these tiles.
For me, nothing you wrote kept me from migrating back to android after spending a year with an iphone (g1->iphone->n1; the entire time I had the iphone I missed my g1) But I am not the target audience device manufs are going after...almost nobody here is.
All your points are valid and are what the atypical customer thinks about, cares about and bases their monetary decisions on.
Good post
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App support is dreadful compared to the Iphone but you have to look at the sales figures in ITMS vs. Market; $ = incentive. Yes right now it's apples and oranges but when someone is researching what device to buy and what carrier to swear allegiance to for 2 years, there are certain variables considered.
Take a heavy facebook user. The iphone fbook app is solid. Yes it has issues, but compared to the android solution, there is no contest. The fact that you have to use m.facebook.com when linking from your notifications panel in android is quite unacceptable (just one of many issues people have brought up). Pandora on the iphone is also quite a bit better than on android.
I disagree in regards to your comment about the phone being snappy. I have my old iphone 3g and my nexus 1 sitting side by side and real world feel says that the n1 wins in performance.
For me there are two things I wish were present with the nexus one/androidOS that are present on the iphone.
1 - app support. That is targeting android.
2 - the keyboard. For some reason I can type far more accurately and with greater speed on the iphone than on my n1. Not a deal breaker at all
You bring up tethering. There is no native tethering on the iphone without jailbreaking or paying for an app (pdanet) for the official stateside carrier (att). Your nexus one has the ability to install pdanet and you can tether all you want at a small price. Of course, you can root your phone and suddenly this ask is satisfied; just like jailbreaking and updating your carrier file.
If you want to talk about setbacks; how about the lack of MMS for the first gen iphones while the 3g/3gs both have this. No reason whatsoever to not include the functionality in the 2g other than slow deprecation of support for the phone...that just sucks.
There are plenty of solid games in Market for your device. I had to watch a video "50 android games" to be made aware of quite a few of these tiles.
For me, nothing you wrote kept me from migrating back to android after spending a year with an iphone (g1->iphone->n1; the entire time I had the iphone I missed my g1) But I am not the target audience device manufs are going after...almost nobody here is.
All your points are valid and are what the atypical customer thinks about, cares about and bases their monetary decisions on.
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Thanks for all the replies.
However please keep in mind that in my original post, i was hardly making any comparison to the iPhone and at the end of my post i stated that i am going back to the HD2 . The iPhone is the last platform i am going back to, even with all the apps. i Just cant keep with the Apple / Jailbreakers game and all the limitations.
You do have native tethering on the iPhone, only it is disabled because at&t does not want you to have it. in other countries it works out of the box. no Jailbreak needed.
I agree that market share = incentive for developers however i am a bit worried that with the current state of the SDK, we will see the same old issues with cross device support for apps, and this is exactly where WinMo failed and the iPhone won (because there is only one device to support (chipset wise), so far)
If only the apps that are in the market now would work better, my point of view will be much different.
I want to use Skype, OK there is no real skype app so i tried to use Fring...DELAY on the call. unusable. I tried to use Nimbuzz, it is better but you cant turn off the screen so the battery dies fast.
I want to watch a movie > need to convert.
I want to watch live TV > there is still not a single app that can actually do this. ORB's app is really bad at the current version.
I want to tether > need to root (i am ok with this) but wireless tether never connected to my laptop. unusable. Wired tether worked fine.
I did watch the 50 best games on Android Video and the are in par with WinMo's games and so far WinMo is giving better usability. but the OS is not so stable hehe...
I guess there is no perfect phone.
Overall is the lack of actual functionally is what killed it for me. I hope it will get better in the future and then i can give it another try
as you said, there is no perfect phone. but give it a little time, android is only a year old after all. i for one have little to no problems with FCs from any of the apps i'm using, so it also depends on what you like to do with your phone.
my main issue atm. is the lack of good bluetooth enabled voice dialing (and lack of any voice dialing at all for non-english users).
and the pet peeve would be the missing framework for the trackball colors.
other than that i'm really enjoiying the relative openess of the platform, and having cyanogen as a developer
Tether without root with PDAnet. This program works great.
Looks like the OP need's to have a read over yonder
There's also been a great deal of talk in the development forum regarding new openGL support in 2.0.
App space has been limited in android and thats a factor, but this is being resolved and we will start to see more 'pretty' applications, but I would argue that android has just as many useful and good applications as the iPhone.
The ONLY windows mobile device that I would trade my Nexus One for is an HD2. It'd be a tough decision though. My touch pro 2 was fun from a customization stand point because I seemed to flash a new rom at least once every couple of days. However, it was painful to use, it was slow, required frequent restarts, work-arounds galore, etc etc. Android may have some bugs, but I have far less trouble with day to day use with my Nexus than I did with my TP2. The hardware power of the HD2 would probably alleviate the thing that killed the TP2 for me and that was the annoying speed (or lack thereof).
Iphone OS is boring, but it works reliably. Safari mobile on my Ipod touch is a great browsing experience (nexus is better though, simply due to the power).
The only major problem I have with Android 2.1 on my nexus is its lack of full exchange support. However, if I really cared that much about it I would drop the $20 to get Touchdown and be done with it. Oh, and I would really love it if a full version of Epocrates made its way to android sometime soon.
This is of course for my uses, and in my experience. Therefore, I am just adding my opinion to the bunch...
Firstly, how can you say the N1 is laggy? Seriously? Especially compared to a WinMo device, and even the iPhone 3GS. The N1 is hands down the fastest smart phone I have ever used, whether it be my own personally owned smart phone, or one I was testing for work. Most actions are instant or near instant in their result, and the only time I find myself waiting at all is when data transfer from the network is involved, and it does that faster on my N1 than any other phone I have tried! Actually, I can load some websites faster than my computer, and I am not talking about sites that use flash either.
Secondly, yes a 1 year old OS platform does not have the same level of app support that a 4 year old platform has(iPhone/iTouch) or a decade old platform (WM). However, it is an open source platform that is growing quickly. While not all 15K apps are perfect for every device, this is true of the WM platform and the iPhone platform. There are plenty of great apps, that don't reqiure root.
Thirdly, the Android OS supports the same media playback functions as the iPhone OS... and actually can handle more in some regards. The N1 will have native flash support someday(hopefully very soon), where as Apple has picked a fight with Adobe, and likely never will have flash support. To say the Android OS, and the N1 falls short in multi-media compared to the iPhone is ignorant, to say the least. WM does support more formats, but at the same time that is a result of a OS in developement a lot longer than Android, as well the current Android OS can support Divx, et al, but companies like CorePlayer do not want to make an app until this support is in the SDK natively, and CorePlayer has pointed out they are working closely with Google, and it looks as though Android 2.5(Froyo).
Fourthly, as someone that sells cell phones for a living, the Android OS is the best smart phone OS for me to sell to consumers by a long ways. It is much more functional than the BB OS, yet maintains the ease of use. iPhone OS lacks most of the top smart phone functions, and WinMo is too slow and buggy. While 3rd party apps are not perfect, this is true of any platform, and at least with Android it will force close instead of freeze the phone. As well, the apps that are quality work very well and blow most other stuff out of the water, ie CameraFX. I have yet to have a customer complain that a free app wasn't working right... nor complain that the phones were buggy.
I was someone that came from winmo.
Android is much more polished than wimo, but it's barebones out of the box.
Winmo is much more packed with utilities out of the box, but lacks the polish of android.
That has alot to do with the timeframes of when these things derived. Android thrives on the "there's an app for that!" ecosystem.
Up until winmo (6.1?) there was no place to just get a quick app, so MS had to implement more things to give a better out of box experience. Too bad they lacked cleanliness.
Yes, Android has bugs and Yes, Market is poor compared to iPhone. But if you sum things up, I think Android wins. And Nexus wins as well, since I has the best hardware on the market today (or one of the best) 1Ghz CPU + AMOLED display + big resolution
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- There is no real way to backup all you apps AND settings of the apps unless you have rooted your phone. If you want to upgrade your ROM or change ROM’s you need to reinstall everything (unless you are rooted and then you can backup your apps settings as well). This is something that should be implemented out of the box. WinMo has exactly the same problem.
Give the market a closer look, and download MyBackup - it does indeed backup apps and settings, along with other things like bookmarks, contacts, the usual. This is the only point I could point out from your post without having to go into extensive detail ._.
As well, to add to my last post, there is multi-phone support with the apps and the Android OS... if this wasn't so, why would the Moto apps work on the Nexus One? While an app written for Android 1.0/1.5/1.6 might not work on 2.1 perfectly, this does not change the fact an app written with the 2.1 SDK will work on any phone running 2.1(actually, SDK 2.0+ will work with any 2.0+ phone, minus live wallpapers.)
But that is to be expected, just as an app written for iPhone OS 1.0 won't work properly with 3.1.3, or WM5.0 apps won't work with WM6.5 properly.
Isn't this a pointless debate.
It like like trying to debate good vs evil, butter vs margarine, pro-choice vs pro-life?
He seems to have come up with his own very logical, sound reasons why and why not android is over rated. There are countless arguments for both sides and I've read all 15 post of this. Android like the iPhone OS like Windows, like symbian all have their strong and weak points. No perfect phone OS out there. But rather whiny and complain of this and that maybe improve it, like some of the really great developers here which advances Android OS and make it great for all of us users.
In the end do I care if you move to Window mobile...not really. Hope you are happy. Move on. Have a nice life.
amen sir
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Well... Having never used a WinMo device. I can't argue that side of things... I owned a Blackberry (NEVER again!!!!), and I own an iPod Touch. Sure, the iTouch isn't the phone, but they're certainly one in the same. My iTouch is jailbroken btw.
With that said, I've never owned a better overall device than the N1. Don't get me wrong, it has its quirks and issues. But man, this thing IS my Media Player, my GPS, my overall entertainment "finder" (Where/Places/Aloqa), Grocery Lists, Forum browser (I'd say I'm 50/50 with Phone and PC while surfing web and forums now).
Sure, the apps could use some work... But, with quality devices being placed on the market, the apps WILL follow. Realize that the main reason the apps market isn't bigger, is because of the strangle-hold that Apple currently has on the market. Many Devs have invested into Apple development and have customers there. It's hard to talk them into changing their ways. In time, they'll sure move over to Android though.
With that said, the apps I get... Work for me. Just the basics: Handcent, Meebo, Car Home, Where/Places, "OurGroceries", Mixzing (Still not my ideal choice, but it gets the job done for now... And yes, I've tried Meridian, nemoPlayer, Stock, and TuneWiki), "Listen", and so on.
Yes, I've deleted as many apps as I still have on my phone (Many more than listed above)... But I've stuck with some that get the job done. If I could ask for only 2 other apps, it'd be Mint.com and Audible.com... Otherwise, I can be content in knowing I have my ideal communication device, with some GPS goodness, and it plays through my car speakers wirelessly.
So no... I don't consider it overrated, but rather too young. It'll mature in time.
My simple comparisons between Atrix and iPhone
I came from the following devices before Atrix 4G:
iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, Samsung Captivate, Samsung Focus, and now the ATRIX 4G. I still have my Captivate, Focus, and 3GS with me. iPhone 4's Bluetooth was giving me absymal call quality that I couldn't keep the stupid iPhone 4. It does have the front facing camera, and very very good picture quality at the back. The IPS screen is no Super AMOLED, but IPS colors are very accurate. The Super AMOLED has burn-in issue after several months of usage especially if you are in a Skype or phone conversation, the screen NEVER turns off when using speaker phone or bluetooth headset...... I have to click the sleep button on my captivate.... sucka SUPERAMOLED best color but worse life-span than LCDs PERIOD! I personally do not like to simply read the reviews and forums and decide what not to buy, because my first hand experience is the most important.
1. GPS: Atrix and iPhone 4 are excellent and they lock extremely fast and instant regardless of Wifi, 3G cell tower triangulation, or none! Woo hoo. I have Navigon on iPhone so I love it way more than Android's Google Nav or Navigon there coz they are buggy and the vocie synthesizer is like a sound of Stephan Hawkins without emotion. Navigon's soothing woman voice provides the best GPS Navi experience so far. Unfortunately, I can't say the same with the Navigon for Android. It's too buggy and lacking some good features from the iOS. I do like Android's 3D map and voice search and most importantly it's FREE. BUT constantly streaming maps over the cell tower is not reliable. What happen when you go to area without cell coverage? Also what happen if the data plan has only 200MB/month?
2. Internet Browsing speed/ease:
I like Safari coz of double tapping to zoom, the pintch and zoom performance and the beauty of copy and paste has been doing very well and more responsive than the Atrix. On the Atrix browser, i CANNOT edit this forum while typing this response. It sometimes not allowing me to select and scroll through the text even Atrix is imitating Apple with the magnifying glass. Sometimes the magnifying glass never shows up!!! While flash is fun on my Atrix bit it slows down a lot just to display ads. Fortunately I can disable Flash if I want to.
Flash to me while is pretty much full web browsing experience, but it does slow down the entire web page performance. It's good to have the flash option in Android no doubt. iOS however, has forced Adobe to take mobile platform more seriously and look into mobile hardware acceleration to create smooth browsing experience.
3. Stability/Speed: Pretty stable so far and pretty snappy over all. Install Launcher Pro or Go Launch Ex and also use Titanium Backup to Freeze MotoBlur if you are thinking Blur is slowing the system down....But I personally like Blur's widget just not the app drawer. Go Launcher EX has the similar UI as the iOS in the app drawer which is a plus when you want to manage your apps such as hold to wiggle the apps and delete them by touching the Minus sign like iOS.
4. Call Quality/Least dropped calls
iPhone 4 call quality is not as good except ear piece. Bluetooth and Speaker phones are.... bad..... the noise cancellation technology on iPhone 4 is not really good... People had hard time hear my voice even I have tried Jawbone Icon, Plantronics, BlueAnt all these highest end bluetooth headsets! Only the earpiece and stupid corded headphone works okay on the iPhone 4
Atrix is also suffering from similar problem especially if there is wind blowing to the top of the microphone.... the wind noise cancellation of the Atrix is not great which Motorola is trying to improve. Fortunately, BLUETOOTH headset call quality is EXCELLENT and that's what I use the most and perfect!!! Speakerphone is pretty good most of the time.
5. Speaker Quality/Volume
iPhone 4 and Atrix both housing the very loud speakers. I love iPhone 4 and Atrix
6. IPS LCD vs Pentile LCD
iPhone 4's LCD color is way more accurate compare to the Pentile LCD used in Atrix. The Color in Atrix such as yellow is greenish lime...... check the demo unit to compare. Use color calibration tables to compare. iPhone 4 is very very very good.
7. OS: ease of use vs high customizable.
I've discovered that Android is like beta product to me. People are trying hard to customize the UI just to have fun and increase productivity. iOS right now so far has provided the best experience. While Android is a little inferior due to simple Copy and Paste, delete app without accessing Application manager, update all apps at ease (Android requires manually permit each app to update automatically. Update ALL does not work when you have a modified app such as Skype for 3G call in US which cannot be updated due to relocking WiFi only call function), webpage rendering performance such as pinch to zoom in iOS is still better than Atrix running Android for sure. Android is also missing a lot of popular Games from the iOS. Hopefully Sony can do some impact....
8. Multitouch
iPhone 4: 5 points
Atrix 4G: 2 fingers but hardware could support 5 but should we buy for the potention?
Apps that support more than 2 fingers are:
iOS: Cut the Rope, Garage Band, Star Wars Force Unleashed, Street Fighter, GTA, and more
Android: does not have enough because the hardware are inconsistent. Sony Ericsson Xperia X8 can't even do multi-touch! Xperia X10 has problem when crossing X-Y axis with two fingers.
9: HDMI output
iPhone 4 or 5 can do 720P: SMOOOOOOOTH like butter but no specialized 720p interface, just mirroring your iPad2 or iPhone 4's screen to the HDTV. Good for games!!!
Atrix 720P Webtop OS is choppy It runs 720P video at lower than 15 fps....It can't truely mirror the image from the phone to the HDTV for games because for some reason the screen is forced to be a touch pad instead of a multitouch gesture or game pad control such as Samurai II.... you can only move the cursor to control the direction or the attack button but not both... VERY DISSAPOINTING!! Motorola's innovation is just old wine inside a new bottle. Webtop is more like a gimmick than a truly reliable feature.
10. VOIP: Skype, Tango, Qik, Fring, etc
iPhone 4: works all the way with Skype support video call on iOS!!!!! perfect!
Atrix 4G: Only Tango, Qik work so far recently. Skype is totally NOT working, people can't hear my voice from the mic due to high amplitude and frequencies noise. Something wrong with the codecs and non standard API that Motorola has used which is another Google's Fragmentation problem. How do you expect developers to change their source code just to suit a single device like Atrix? There is still no video call in Skype for Android!
11. Multilingual Support:
iPhone: Absolutely almost perfect. The iOS ,regardless of anywhere in the world, has the multilingual keyboard, voice recognition system, writing recognition system, system menu. It's a perfect multilingual OS that until today, there is no one in the computer industry is able to match Apple! Windows 7 still can't do that natively unless you purchase the Ultimate edition and still requires to install the language packs separately through the updates!
Atrix: Running Moto Blur is the cause for none North American languages being removed from the stock Android OS due to the limited storage space for system in the phone. Asian Language is not supported right out of the box. What's come worse is you can't even view or edit Asian language such as Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc in the Webtop environment! What a bummer to me! Motorola Rep told me they are interested about the application of it and willing to enable that feature. That doesn't mean they will enable the feature for North American market. It's a freaking world phone where people need to travel to conduct their business! What happen if people need to type Email in Chinese in the Webtop? It's NOT going to happen as of now and probably not unless you purchase an Asian version in the future.
12. Easy to Hack:
iPhone Jailbreaking requires careful maintanence even it's just a single-swipe or click to Jailbreak. The jailbroken device is highly unstable and usually requires a system restore which takes hours to sync back all the data if your device is fully loaded.
Atrix is easy to root (still definitely not for non tech savvy), convert your phone to webtop without buying the dock, and easy to enable Mobile Hotspot Tethering without paying. BUUUUT ENCRYPTED BOOTLOADER.... which Motorla is still deciding how to response to the developers... fortunately, there is the RSD5.0 that can flash Atrix to stock ROM now
13. BACKUP & RESTORE:
I demand not a simple cloud service backup for the contacts, email, sms, maps, search history but also for the apps and multimedia data! Motorola does provide the software to do it, but it's SLOW. The file manager transfer speed is as slow as 150 KB/sec via USB! I'm forced to use the Massive Storage Media to drag and drop contents. It's convenient in a way but it's definitely not the most efficient method. Syning data prevents wasting time to overwrite data that are up-to-date. Hopefully these can be resolved by the upcoming Gingerbread.
iOS: iTunes simple apps and data backup! It does have it's short coming such as cannot backup data of the deleted apps from the device. I repeat, data backup means not just contact, sms, over the cloud or computer but the data and settings that are stored in the apps and OS.
Atrix: Before the Gingerbread is baked for the Atrix, you must NEED to ROOT to use Titanium Backup and Rom manager (Which doesn't work coz of the locked down bootloader) and it doesn't sync to your computer or your cloud data storage centers. Why do we still use SD cards when there is Dropbox type of system? SD card backup is the not a modern solution. Morever, Titanium Backup is dangerous if you accidentally restore the incompatible data to the system file which may crash the device. The UI of Titanium is not intuitive and it's very complicated for first time users. Titanium Backup is again for geeks not your parents and definitely not your grandma! Android has completely failed in this category! Therefore it can't be a serious work phone without the right backup/restore feature. Finally Motorola's Portal is just slow.... 150KB/sec of USB transfer, it's forcing me to use as Massive Storage Device and that's 40x faster!
I do appreciate the Google cloud service to store all the search history, maps, contacts, email, etc. However, what about Apps data? I'm having a hard time to simply backup my apps data while they aren't stored somewhere in the globe.
14: Multimedia
Both iPhone and Atrix can sync with iTunes library since Apple has dominated the music market. Youtube experience is definitely a lot better in Android than iOS. Because you can rotate your Atrix in landscape mode to have full screen, while potrate mode to access related video and read/write comments while the video is playing! I would say iPhone and Atrix should be quite on par in multimedia.
Codecs that are supported by Atrix are still confusing. Some people say 720P mp4 aren't running correctly.
15. Notification System
iPhone: intrusive! Yup I don't like the bubble in the middle of the screen while I was watching movie, playing games, browsing website, VNC, and most importantly, video conferencing!
Android: non-intrusive notification system where the notifications are up on top to be slided down to review the history like a log. Perfect!
16. How data is being stored
iPhone iOS: single partition easy managemant. You don't need to keep track of where the apps are stored and whether if they can be installed to a larger sd card. This technique has been acknowledged by Microsoft's WP7 though Samsung Focus is an exception which still create confusion on which type of SD card has to be used safely. Atrix stores the data either in the internal memory or sd card which falls to the same issues as Windows Mobile installation --> confusion.
17: Email (3/14/2011)
iPhone iOS 4 now supports threaded emails which sorts out conversations with the latest at the very top even inside the conversation. So far I like it and very productive and convenient.
Atrix: The build in Email App from Motoblur does not do threaded emails. The Gmail app is even more pathetic! While the conversation feature is convenient, putting the oldest thread at the very top inside a conversation forces me to scroll all the way to the bottom just to read the latest email is just ridiculous! There is also bug for conversation list where it doesn't move to the next conversation even I've selected update automatically. The Gmail App is BROKEN in Android and people are complaining about that.
Atrix: Android's support of SD card is good but also bad when you have to keep track of where the applications are installed to and whether if they can be running efficiently when stored to the SD card. SD card does provide expandability but in reality, you are still limited by the maximum size that the device can handle which is 10GB internal usable storage + 32GB and you can't do a single partition to combine the internal storage with the SD card.
If you want a device to ease your life and improve work efficiency, get iOS. Android is more for geeks or developers. Get Atrix if you like to modify the device. The webtop is more like a gimmick rather than productivity unless you really use the Citrix Remote Desktop Control. It's an interesting idea, but in terms of daily basis, Android is still slightly behind iOS in terms of design. Market share does not reflect the re fineness of the product.
*Caution* if you have more important things to worry about rather than modifying system files, customizing the cosmetics of the UI, or simply just trying to eliminate the lags, avoid the Atrix.
Finally, I am still debating if I should keep the Atrix or wait for the iPhone 5, Galaxy S II or the Optimus 2x.
I think there are tons of people on this forum that would disagree with you. I for one was an iphone user for 4 years and I will not go back. Why would you come to this forum of all places to recommend the IOS? Most people who are on this forum have already made up their minds about what phone to get. I found the biggest thing about switching from an iphone to android is that it's like wiping your butt with the opposite hand. If you have been doing it one way for so long you are highly resistant to move to a different tech or adjust to the way that tech works. IOS is plain, boring, and locked down. It's not much different than it was 4 years ago and apple spoon feeds options to users that should be standard from the beginning.
"...update all apps at ease (Android requires manually select each app to update automatically)"
Try going into the market, then pressing the menu key and then My Apps. You should see a link to Update All at the top if more than one app needs updating.
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"...update all apps at ease (Android requires manually select each app to update automatically)"
Try going into the market, then pressing the menu key and then My Apps. You should see a link to Update All at the top if more than one app needs updating.
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You have to turn on that otherwise some of the apps have to be updated manually. Did that before.....
I'm not sure what you are talking about, but I myself am coming from an iphone 3gs, this is my first android, and as far as I can tell the two update their apps in almost an identical manner in terms of number of clicks to update all the apps that need updates. I haven't changed anything from default and have not had to manually change anything in each app to make it part of the update all functionality.
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I think there are tons of people on this forum that would disagree with you. I for one was an iphone user for 4 years and I will not go back. Why would you come to this forum of all places to recommend the IOS? Most people who are on this forum have already made up their minds about what phone to get. I found the biggest thing about switching from an iphone to android is that it's like wiping your butt with the opposite hand. If you have been doing it one way for so long you are highly resistant to move to a different tech or adjust to the way that tech works. IOS is plain, boring, and locked down. It's not much different than it was 4 years ago and apple spoon feeds options to users that should be standard from the beginning.
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I'm just comparing and responding to another user who is deciding between iPhone 4 and Atrix. That's the comment I provide.
Android is nice as the op stated however it's still not as refined as Apple's iOS is and apple is quickly improving their os and it's easily available when released thru iTunes or visiting a local apple store if you don't have a desktop or laptop and high speed Internet. I think google may need to start making huge changes if they want to have people be happy with android. Starting with requiring manufacturers to make updates available to each device as the updates are released.
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I think google may need to start making huge changes if they want to have people be happy with android.
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We'll go ahead and forget for the moment that for all of the ways which make iOS just so much better, it is still being outsold by Android, with the gap growing every day.
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We'll go ahead and forget for the moment that for all of the ways which make iOS just so much better, it is still being outsold by Android, with the gap growing every day.
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That's not the best comparison. Apple has 4 models sold so far.android had like 4 a week.
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galaxyjeff said:
Android is nice as the op stated however it's still not as refined as Apple's iOS is and apple is quickly improving their os and it's easily available when released thru iTunes or visiting a local apple store if you don't have a desktop or laptop and high speed Internet. I think google may need to start making huge changes if they want to have people be happy with android. Starting with requiring manufacturers to make updates available to each device as the updates are released.
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Agree, Android's update cycle is so exciting and fast, it just takes manufacturers too long to roll out those updates. The Atrix was announced after gingerbread was released, but it came with Froyo.
But in all honesty Android is far better at content creation and not just content consumption. Apple users are such well trained monkeys that they will pay $1 for a flashlight app when a Dev with some decent skills and passion for the platform will release it for free.
My wife is nowhere near as tech savvy as I am, but she lives her Desire Z and finds it easier to use than her iPhone 3gs, but this could also be due to HTC Sense.
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Android is nice as the op stated however it's still not as refined as Apple's iOS is and apple is quickly improving their os and it's easily available when released thru iTunes or visiting a local apple store if you don't have a desktop or laptop and high speed Internet. I think google may need to start making huge changes if they want to have people be happy with android. Starting with requiring manufacturers to make updates available to each device as the updates are released.
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Quickly? It's been 4 years and iOS has barely changed.
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You have to turn on that otherwise some of the apps have to be updated manually. Did that before.....
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To clarify, you can change each individual app to update automatically which means you will never have to do anything OR you can go into the Market and just select "Update All" at the top. I had an iphone and you either had to update on itunes and then sync your phone or you had to go to the app store in your phone and select "Update all" but with Android, if you take the 2 or 3 minutes to select the automatic feature, you won't have to do anything, so I think Android WINS that round, sheesh. Plus, that's just splitting hairs.
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Agree, Android's update cycle is so exciting and fast, it just takes manufacturers too long to roll out those updates. The Atrix was announced after gingerbread was released, but it came with Froyo.
But in all honesty Android is far better at content creation and not just content consumption. Apple users are such well trained monkeys that they will pay $1 for a flashlight app when a Dev with some decent skills and passion for the platform will release it for free.
My wife is nowhere near as tech savvy as I am, but she lives her Desire Z and finds it easier to use than her iPhone 3gs, but this could also be due to HTC Sense.
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The part about the $1 flashlight app you say is total bologna. The best flashlight app in the app store is totally free and gets regular updates. Also android is a toy with a cute little green robot.
Go bite an Apple, OP. It's obvious you have no clue what you're even saying. If you did, you'd realize that you're sooooo wrong about nearly everything.
Also, I don't know if you're from a different country, but if you're going to make an Android bashing post, please do so without using google translate.
First point: You love Navigon on the iPhone, but you don't like Google Maps or Navigon on Android... alroghty then...
Second: I don't know why you feel like that. I'm using Dolphin browser, P&Z work fine, as well as copying and pasting. It kinda takes a little bit of getting used to to make the magnifying glass pop up.
Three, four, and five I can basically skip since you give Android some room to breathe.
Six: The green feels fine to me. I've used an iP4, and while the Retina Display is nice, I haven't seen any notable differences, and the color green seems fine to me.
Seven: Oh. My. God. Learn what a Beta is. Your definition of beta seems to be: "Too hard for me to use." It seems like my 10 year old sister knows how to use Android better than you. It's so simple to use copy and paste, but it seems you just can't figure out, and you condemn a whole OS because you can't seem to understand it. You also said that there's a launcher to hold and delete apps, so why even bring it up again?
Now for the updating... Are you mental? Is it really that hard to go into the Market, click settings, and then update all? As for the games, just wait. Android hasn't been mainstream as long as iOS.
Eight: So, you're going to use all 5 fingers all the time? I've never seen people use more than 3, and rarely use 3 at all.
Nine: You have to buy an extra accesory to use HDMI output on the iPhone... And that is webtop, not mirroring you're doing. Learn the difference.
Ten: Apps need to be updated. Device less than a month old. Blahdy blah.
Eleven: You skipped 11.
Twelve: High maintenance in time such as tethering? lolwut? Makes no sense at all. Rooting is so simple. All automated for you.
Thirteen: Almost everything is backed up for you! Contacts are auto-backed up to Google from the start. MotoBlur also helps with that. Download an app to backup SMS convo's to your SD card, and then just plug your phone in and transfer your pics. Then there's good, old Titanium.
You're comparing Apples to Robots, and it's just not working. Your basic understanding of the English language is horrible, and shouldn't be used to bash Android.
iOS is def more refined, and user freindly. and i had over all less little glitches with my iphone than ive had with my atrix.
but im still staying with anything android. android phones are more customizable even without root/rom than a jailbroken iphone is. (just talking about visual customization)
I don't understand why almost all "Atrix vs. iphone/android vs. iOS" speak only or mainly of points that are already handed to Apple. I'm sure that other Atrix users here like me, Bought the Atrix knowing in advanced it's does not win over iphones in all categories.
I'm thank the OP for his review but an example of I'm saying about those reviews is like the highlight on "updating all apps at once". I wonder how could this feature be more important compared how each OS handles installing the apps!!
I'm new to Android and it was a little blast I had when I found out how you install apps! click this, install that, back, click this, install, check download progress in notification bar, go back for more apps, they download and install while your still surfing the friggin' market!!
In iOS if you chose to install an app it exits itself to the home screen and you need to go find where you re-launch the store app!!
Now how can that not be spoken of when "updating all apps at once" is suddenly an edge over the other OS?
I have to admit English is not my first language and I was pretty frustrated about my Atrix!
I know some people may not agree with me but here is my refined response.
First point: You love Navigon on the iPhone, but you don't like Google Maps or Navigon on Android... alright then...
Second: I don't know why you feel like that. I'm using Dolphin browser, P&Z work fine, as well as copying and pasting. It kinda takes a little bit of getting used to to make the magnifying glass pop up.
Thanks for the tips on alternative browsers. Copy and Pasting is worse than iOS from my Atrix experience. Sometimes there is no magnifying glass when editing the text. It pops out a selection menu that covers up my whole screen asking me to SELECT TEXT, SELECT ALL, COPY, etc. Inside the browser, I MUST need to click the Menu button, select More, Select text and I've no way to accurately select the correct beginning and the end of the portion that I would like to copy.
Three, four, and five I can basically skip since you give Android some room to breathe.
Six: The green feels fine to me. I've used an iP4, and while the Retina Display is nice, I haven't seen any notable differences, and the color green seems fine to me.
Check with Color Calibration sheets to test LCD monitors then you will know how wrong the colors are especially yellow becomes yellowish green and lime and green contains yellow
Seven: Oh. My. God. Learn what a Beta is. Your definition of beta seems to be: "Too hard for me to use." It seems like my 10 year old sister knows how to use Android better than you. It's so simple to use copy and paste, but it seems you just can't figure out, and you condemn a whole OS because you can't seem to understand it. You also said that there's a launcher to hold and delete apps, so why even bring it up again?
I'm a tech geek who have used WP7, iOS, Symbian, Windows Mobile, Palm, and more in long period of time and I have the right to criticize Android base on my experience. The UI in Android is not refined and feels like Windows Mobile menus embedded within menus just bigger buttons and open source for developers but not really for consumers because the manufactures impose their lock-downs to the bootloaders.
Now for the updating... Are you mental? Is it really that hard to go into the Market, click settings, and then update all? As for the games, just wait. Android hasn't been mainstream as long as iOS.
Updates sucks because you can solely use the phone itself to update. I've a modified version of Skype which can't be updated using the UPDATE ALL menu. If I did that, my Skype can't be used in 3G network for calling. Moreover, Skype DOES NOT SUPPORT VIDEO CALL for Android yet while iOS are supported
Eight: So, you're going to use all 5 fingers all the time? I've never seen people use more than 3, and rarely use 3 at all.
Just because you never seen 3 fingers usage does not mean there is no such demand on the creativity. Take Cut the Rope, Star Wars Force Unleashed, Virtual DJ, Piano, and other creativity apps, they all use more than 3 fingers just to let you know.
Nine: You have to buy an extra accesory to use HDMI output on the iPhone... And that is webtop, not mirroring you're doing. Learn the difference.
Extra accessories also applies to the Atrix Officially. Webtop is running in Ubuntu which is Choppy and DOES NOT have an option to mirror the Android environment completely. When I want to play Samurai II on the HDTV, I CANNOT do that at all because the screen becomes a touch pad instead of normal multi-touch operation in the Android environment. I can't play Need for Speed on the HDTV because I can't touch the screen to play the game at all. iPhone, iPad, Optimus 2X and upcoming Xperia Arc are able to do that.
Ten: Apps need to be updated. Device less than a month old. Blahdy blah.
Truth to be told, Motorola is not using standard APIs. VOIP developers are having troubles to develop the right codecs to work in the Atrix. Do your own research
Eleven: You skipped 11.
Atrix has Limited Multilingual Support. The Webtop Cannot display Asian Characters nor allow users to input them either. Android does not come with decent Asian Characters inputs. Apple iOS is absolutely amazing in that area regardless where the iPhone is being released anywhere in the world, the language packs are the same. The only good side of Android's multilingual is customizable keyboard.. but so far none of the android keyboards have satisfied me due to choppiness, sluggish design, button too narrow, inaccurate writing recognition, and more.
Twelve: High maintenance in time such as tethering? lolwut? Makes no sense at all. Rooting is so simple. All automated for you.
I'm talking about keeping up the Jailbreaking trend against Apple's lockdown on the iPhone, not Android, read carefully! People who need to unlock their phones cannot update their iPhones easily. Feel free to jailbreak but you will suffer from system instability which usually requires full system restore. Re-syncing all apps usually take hours if your device is fully loaded.
Thirteen: Almost everything is backed up for you! Contacts are auto-backed up to Google from the start. MotoBlur also helps with that. Download an app to backup SMS convo's to your SD card, and then just plug your phone in and transfer your pics. Then there's good, old Titanium.
Did you read carefully what I was saying? I demand more than simple Contact, SMS, Email Cloud backup service. Titanium is dangerous to use for non technical people. They will overwrite or delete critical system data that would crash the device. Titanium also requires Root access in order to restore everything. I know how to use Titanium backup ever since I got my Captivate and got frustrated about lacking Google official data backup system. I repeat I'm very technical but Android is definitely not good for non technical people such as your grandma!
You're comparing Apples to Robots, and it's just not working. But I'm comparing different mobile OSs which is the same category
Your basic understanding of the English language is horrible, and shouldn't be used to bash Android.
Yet, Android is being used world wide and therefore should also be multilingual. You, who is an Android user, should able to tolerate people who are not English as their 1st language.
You're obviously not very tech-ish at all. You cannot say an OS is in beta because it lacks features you think should be in it. Your points are moot. So did you consider iOS 2, 3, and 4 to be betas as well?
And to your response to number 11, what?
I can tolerate people just fine. It's when you start rambling in broken English that I can't stand. It just starts looking like some sort of spam e-mail, and hard to read.
I agree with most of what you said squarejp.
Sad to see most people here will down the iP4 just because it is apple.
If they would actually get to use the phone for more than a day, im sure more would see what you mean.
P.S. I have both and iphone and a incredible running 2.2.
Dont kid yourself guys, IOS is much more refined than android.
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I agree with most of what you said squarejp.
Sad to see most people here will down the iP4 just because it is apple.
If they would actually get to use the phone for more than a day, im sure more would see what you mean.
P.S. I have both and iphone and a incredible running 2.2.
Dont kid yourself guys, IOS is much more refined than android.
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I'm knocking the Apple phone because I used 3 different versions of the iPhone. As well as own the ipad. Your opinions on what's refined or not =\= everyone elses
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This is not a android vs ios thread!
So I got my note and so far I’m loving the device, big screen, responsive, looks nice. battery is so so but I’m finding myself more than a little disappointed with android. I've rooted my note, not bothering with custom roms just yet, checking out stock performance atm which is rather good.
The issue I have is I cant find anything even remotely interesting to do with it. I was a android fanboy since the G1, it seemed like such an amazing OS and had so much potential but is it just me or does it seem like 3rd party development for it has ground to a halt?
When I moved over to iOS at first I was like, this is **** but then after jailbreaking a whole world opens up to you. It is literally limitless what you can do with it and it is all centralized. Jailbreak apps in one place (cydia) if your a try before you buy or just like apps for free then your find them all with installous, android is still to this day completely decentralized and disorganized it seems.
The play store is awful to navigate and I keep seeing the same apps I saw back in the day (G1 era) in the top lists, new development should of relegated these old apps by now, no matter how good they may be software evolution should of replaced them with something new surely? And the pricing is so much more expensive than the iOS appstore and the apps dont seem as polished and professional
Trying to find root tweaks is like pulling teeth, even on xda. You have to troll through post after post and even when you find something interesting it turns out not to be compatible with your device
I don't know, like I said I'm not trying to start a iOS v Android flame war at all, I've just found myself incredibly disappointed and was wondering what other people thought, who else has seen android evolve and thought along the same lines?
I would imagine a 5.3inch ios would be nice but it don't exist, so i am very happy with my note. ICS still not right but happy enough with GB till samsung get there act together.
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This is not a android vs ios thread!
So I got my note and so far I’m loving the device, big screen, responsive, looks nice. battery is so so but I’m finding myself more than a little disappointed with android. I've rooted my note, not bothering with custom roms just yet, checking out stock performance atm which is rather good.
The issue I have is I cant find anything even remotely interesting to do with it. I was a android fanboy since the G1, it seemed like such an amazing OS and had so much potential but is it just me or does it seem like 3rd party development for it has ground to a halt?
When I moved over to iOS at first I was like, this is **** but then after jailbreaking a whole world opens up to you. It is literally limitless what you can do with it and it is all centralized. Jailbreak apps in one place (cydia) if your a try before you buy or just like apps for free then your find them all with installous, android is still to this day completely decentralized and disorganized it seems.
The play store is awful to navigate and I keep seeing the same apps I saw back in the day (G1 era) in the top lists, new development should of relegated these old apps by now, no matter how good they may be software evolution should of replaced them with something new surely? And the pricing is so much more expensive than the iOS appstore and the apps dont seem as polished and professional
Trying to find root tweaks is like pulling teeth, even on xda. You have to troll through post after post and even when you find something interesting it turns out not to be compatible with your device
I don't know, like I said I'm not trying to start a iOS v Android flame war at all, I've just found myself incredibly disappointed and was wondering what other people thought, who else has seen android evolve and thought along the same lines?
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Wow, I disagree with almost everything that you've said here.
It is unfair to even start this thread until you have tried custom ROMs, or even explored and tested the limits as to what can be achieved with the device and OS.
I don't understand what you mean by third party development grinding to a halt... If you're referring to apps, I think there are more third party developers showing interest in Android than ever! You have apps being released on both Android and iOS at the same time or sometimes even before iOS nowadays, which was unheard of a year or so ago!
The only bit I do agree with is the fact that it would be great if development was more centralised like Cydia... but then again I do like the idea of Android being such an open platform that anyone can develop/mod and it seems to have no walls, which allows for some amazing work to be done (app development, ROM development, tweaks, etc) and shared through places like XDA.
And the bit about App pricing... My brothers have iOS and I am a former iOS user and I seriously used to feel like a mug for paying so much more for an App that was cheaper or, in some cases, free on Android... Now I just mock my brothers about it!
I have found that Android is getting better and better! iOS is boring... To me, it's just an App launcher. Android is definitely, in my opinion a better operating system offering widgets, more open third party development, no requirement to be tied to any particular companies or software.
ICS is almost perfect on the note, once I run a third party launcher (APEX) and get rid of Touchwiz. I am extremely satisfied right now and I don't think there is any piece of hardware that will convince me to use iOS again.
What is it that you are wanting to do?
You have said you can't find anything interesting to do with it, but it's not clear what you want to do?
Music production, photo editing, programming, something technical, artistic?
Maybe someone can suggest an app that suits your needs, or point you to a forum/site with more info.
In regards to pricing, my understanding with iOS and itunes is that you need to purchase an app for each device. Whereas on Android, you can install an app on as many devices as you have linked to your Google account.
I do agree that iOS is much better for music apps. The audio in Android appears to have been tacked on as an afterthought from what I can gather.From what I've heard, it's not that companies like IK Multimedia don't want to write Android apps, they can't until Google fix some of the audio bugs.
i do mean apps by 3rd party development. and the apps in the play store simply dont stack up quaility wise against iOS.
examples:
the biggest games in the play store are gameloft games. its been this way since android first started.
square enix android:
imaginary range 1/2
crystal defenders
dragon quest slime wallpaper
square enix iOS:
final fantasy 1,2,3, tactics
chaos rings 1,2, omaga
square enix characters mail
secret of mana
imaginary range
sliding heroes
song summoner
chrono trigger
hills and rivers
crystal defenders
vanguard storm
747 deaths
voice fantasy
final fantasy VII advent children picture book
soul eater gallery
fullmetal alchamist
phrases used by native english speakers
dissidia 012
summer story
electronic arts android:
real racing 2
need for speed shift
tetris
worms
nba jam
fifa 12
spy mouse
madden nfl 12
dead space
the game of life
the old republic security key
electronic arts iOS:
monopoly
mirrors edge
scrabble
shift 2 unleashed
trival pursuit
tiger woods pga
the sims 3
monopoly here and now
fifa 11/12
monopoly hotels
need for speed undercover
the sims 3 ambitions
tetris
need for speed hot pursut
theme park
the simpsons arcade
deal or no deal
battledfield bad company
scrabble
the sims 3 world
battledship
bop it
mma
cluedo
fifa superstars
the game of life
fight night champions
connect 4
simcity deluxe
rockband
risk
lemonade tycoon
command and conquer
unlimate mortal kombat
boggle
spore origins
suviving high school
nba jam
reckless racing
dead space
yahtzee
skate it
pictureka
+ 75 more
imdb android: imdb
imdb iOS:
imdb
imdb trivia
imdb news
thats just 3 companys. iOS simply has more and better apps.
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What is it that you are wanting to do?
You have said you can't find anything interesting to do with it, but it's not clear what you want to do?
Music production, photo editing, programming, something technical, artistic?
Maybe someone can suggest an app that suits your needs, or point you to a forum/site with more info.
In regards to pricing, my understanding with iOS and itunes is that you need to purchase an app for each device. Whereas on Android, you can install an app on as many devices as you have linked to your Google account.
I do agree that iOS is much better for music apps. The audio in Android appears to have been tacked on as an afterthought from what I can gather.From what I've heard, it's not that companies like IK Multimedia don't want to write Android apps, they can't until Google fix some of the audio bugs.
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well thats the thing. when i used my G1 and even xperia, everything was new and interesting but now nothing has changed. you can still only do the same things you could back then.
root
install advanced task manager of some description
install custom kernal/rom to make it go faster
themes
overclock and/or set up underclocking to save battery
set autorun permissions
install cracked apps if wanted
wifi teathering
and well..thats it.
what else is there? im am missing some wealth of knowledge? im not being sarcastic, im really asking if ive missed something? in the time that android has been around pretty much the only constant is google updating it. between the G1 and now very little has changed on the app front.
If you are an iOS fan boy, then you don't belong to here. Simple, clear and straight to the point.
Yeah boy... you're just a pure apple fan boy...
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I cannot agree more with the following statement
"until you have tried custom ROMs, or even explored and tested the limits as to what can be achieved with the device and OS"
True, true and true... I really don't understand what the OP is babbling about..
Has he even tried the new official LPF and/or LPY releases from Sammy?
try flashing those, doing a full wipe through CWM and deleting large files and see if SGN lacks for excitement. lol
And the fanboy crap starts. If you haven't got anything constructive to say then don't say anything at all
Ok so what your all saying is the best thing about android is flashing custom roms? But what do you do once you've done that? What else is there?
And lets keep the childeshness out of the thread pls
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I love android over ios but hes right about the apps. The games for Android are trash compared to iOS. I was actually talking about this the othet day with some people and they also agreed android is way better but iOS has all the games.
I've noticed with people on this forum that they just wannabe technical or just call you a fan boy and not admit. The playstore is garbage and had very few games. You'd think by now android would have catched up a lil bit.
Even the free apps for iOS are far greater than most paid apps for android.
Some of these games I'd expect on a flip phone not on a touch screen device with dual core processors and such.
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Technical, yeah that's exactly what I was going for but I guess I didn't articulate it well enough
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The games selection is fine, do you really need more than what's available???
Btw, try CyanogenMod 9, great ROM. Paranoid Android looks very promising too.
Since most of the gripes seem to be about the quality of the games, why not sell your Note, buy a decent, second-hand iPhone 3GS and get a Nintendo 3DS or PS Vita?
Heh, i still have a. Iphone 4. I guess the lack of competive apps are my main gripe. The OS is fantastic and always has been. But its the apps that makes a portable device now and lets not forget guys that the avg end user proberly has never heard of custom roms unlike the geeks here at xda
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The OP has one thing right ,iOS is more centralized ,while android is fragmented .
but think about it for one second ,on one hand you have cydia developing for only 3 or 4 iOS running devices
whereas on the android side we have like 100000+ devices
have you been to the main page of the forums? I double dare you to find your device without searching for it's name.
however my dear friend this is where you show your lack of knowledge ,you want something centralized for Android? How about you flash an AOSP ROM like CM7\CM9? it's the same and shares the same code\features\themes\hacks\bugs across all devices that it supports .
so you see you can get a centralized experience on android if you wish.
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i do mean apps by 3rd party development. and the apps in the play store simply dont stack up quaility wise against iOS.
examples:
the biggest games in the play store are gameloft games. its been this way since android first started.
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IOS only beats android in games and music apps\accessories ,in productivity ,themes ,reading ,customization apps ,Android wins or gets the same quality.
flumps said:
well thats the thing. when i used my G1 and even xperia, everything was new and interesting but now nothing has changed. you can still only do the same things you could back then.
root
install advanced task manager of some description
install custom kernal/rom to make it go faster
themes
overclock and/or set up underclocking to save battery
set autorun permissions
install cracked apps if wanted
wifi teathering
and well..thats it.
what else is there? im am missing some wealth of knowledge? im not being sarcastic, im really asking if ive missed something? in the time that android has been around pretty much the only constant is google updating it. between the G1 and now very little has changed on the app front.
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while you are complaining about the lack of change since the days of G1 ,let me stop you here and ask what has changed in the Iphone since 2007?
it's the same miserable OS that it was on iOS1 ,they just added some of the basic missing features over the years ,let's see:
*added the ability to choose a desktop wallpaper wow even a nokia dumbo from 2000 could do that .
*added the ability to choose sms ringtones ,again any phone from 1990 could do that.
*added folders ,which was available on android and symbian for ever.
*added siri which is just a gimmick of a voice assistant ,again available since the days of s60.
*added notification pull down center ,which is a blatant copy of android's notifications bar.
*copy\paste of text ,big deal ,others had it way before iOS
*added multitasking in iOS4 ,really a "smartphone" without multitasking?
so you see iOS is very very boring ,I really don't know how you can say boring about android when you're using such a static OS.
same UI ,same look ,terrible lack of features and freedom ,you have much more freedom on a non rooted locked bootloader android than you have on a fully jailbroken Iphone.
android has changed much more compared to iOS ,it's UI have changed ,it added new big features like 10.1 flash support ,and face unlock (not very useful but still at least new),visual multitasking ,,playstore changes ,among others.
android was full of features back in the days of G1 ,and it's even more full of features now ,plus more smooth,mature,and stable.
all iOS is doing is play catch up with android features.
ios is limitless after jail breaking...HA thanks for the chuckle.
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Not really true about jailbroken iphones being less customizable than stock android but i see what your getting at. Jailbroken iphone can do everything a rooted android can do and more but much, much easier. Its a much more streamlined process. Rooted android theres a learning curve, whereas jailbroken iphone is useable almost instantly.
I really wanted this thread not to be another android v ios thread but i guess theres no getting away from it
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Care to explain?
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Jailbroken iphone can do everything a rooted android can do and more but much, much easier.
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Do you care to explain this???
Can I have some examples?
My jailbroken iphone couldn't even do half the things a non-rooted stock Android phone could do!
Dude, you're 100% correct about IOS' superior app selection, but to say that a jailbroken iPhone is more capable than a rooted Android? That's so unbelievably wrong that it's downright moronic. I've owned an iPhone from day one and have been jailbreaking it for years and I don't have the slightest idea what you're referring to.
I recently got myself a Nexus 4, my first Android phone, and had been using it as my main phone for the past five days. I come from the iOS world (keen jailbreaker) and my initial reactions were very positive:
Love widgets and how convenient they can be
Love the extent of customisation
Love the big screen and clean UI in general
Love the hardware (camera and speed)
Love Google service integration (maps, contact, calendar) = just works
However, there is one aspect that really bothers me and I wanted to hear what other people think.
APPS.
iOS apps are often more polished than their Android equivalent, in another word they contain less bugs. I find Android apps crash more often and some of the functions don’t always work. Example: I found a bug in Skype that the ringing tone continues to sound even after the call is connected. Skype has been around for so many years and yet there is a bug?
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Android don’t always get the newest or most updated apps because it is easier for developers to create apps on iOS. This can lead to some core function of an apps missing compare to their equivalent on iOS. Example: I have a Synology NAS at home that acts as my media hub, which can be remotely accessed by Synology-made streaming apps on the iOS. On Android, the video app isn’t available and the music app is very buggy and lacks some very core functions.
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Due to the ever increasing range of Android devices, that is at a pace faster than iOS devices, I feel there is a greater chance of an Android device becoming unsupported by an app than an iOS device. This means potentially one has to upgrade to a new Android device sooner than they can afford or wish to.
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There is a greater range of apps, including games, on iOS. Example: I really would like a decent photo editing app, such as Snapseed, on my Android but can’t seem to find one that I like. Official Simplenotes app is also unavailable on Android.
I suspect the defragmentation of the Android ecosystem is, in part, responsible for the problems I mentioned and it’s something I don’t see Google can do much about anytime soon. Therefore, in my mind, the situation is likely to remain the same for a while which makes Android less appealing to me. Understandably, it is a complex and widespread issue that is inherent in the Android world.
Sorry about my boring post but I have two days left to refund my Nexus 4. Should I keep it or refund it?
Thanks guys
hankdu said:
I recently got myself a Nexus 4, my first Android phone, and had been using it as my main phone for the past five days. I come from the iOS world (keen jailbreaker) and my initial reactions were very positive:
Love widgets and how convenient they can be
Love the extent of customisation
Love the big screen and clean UI in general
Love the hardware (camera and speed)
Love Google service integration (maps, contact, calendar) = just works
However, there is one aspect that really bothers me and I wanted to hear what other people think.
APPS.
iOS apps are often more polished than their Android equivalent, in another word they contain less bugs. I find Android apps crash more often and some of the functions don’t always work. Example: I found a bug in Skype that the ringing tone continues to sound even after the call is connected. Skype has been around for so many years and yet there is a bug?
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Android don’t always get the newest or most updated apps because it is easier for developers to create apps on iOS. This can lead to some core function of an apps missing compare to their equivalent on iOS. Example: I have a Synology NAS at home that acts as my media hub, which can be remotely accessed by Synology-made streaming apps on the iOS. On Android, the video app isn’t available and the music app is very buggy and lacks some very core functions.
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Due to the ever increasing range of Android devices, that is at a pace faster than iOS devices, I feel there is a greater chance of an Android device becoming unsupported by an app than an iOS device. This means potentially one has to upgrade to a new Android device sooner than they can afford or wish to.
.
There is a greater range of apps, including games, on iOS. Example: I really would like a decent photo editing app, such as Snapseed, on my Android but can’t seem to find one that I like. Official Simplenotes app is also unavailable on Android.
I suspect the defragmentation of the Android ecosystem is, in part, responsible for the problems I mentioned and it’s something I don’t see Google can do much about anytime soon. Therefore, in my mind, the situation is likely to remain the same for a while which makes Android less appealing to me. Understandably, it is a complex and widespread issue that is inherent in the Android world.
Sorry about my boring post but I have two days left to refund my Nexus 4. Should I keep it or refund it?
Thanks guys
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Sure, it's easy to develop a "polished" app with no bugs when your consumer audience is using a handful of IOS-based devices. The reason Android apps SEEM more buggy is that there are hundreds of different devices that use the Android OS. Problems are going to arise due to differences in hardware, but a good developer nails these problems and their app will evolve into a polished, bug-free work of art.
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hankdu said:
Sorry about my boring post but I have two days left to refund my Nexus 4. Should I keep it or refund it?
Thanks guys
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To answer your question, though, you should keep it. There's not a WHOLE lot going on with the nexus yet because of availability issues, but bugs will be squashed. Have patience. As more devs get their hands on it, it will get a lot better.
Refund it - that is one more device available for us on the play store ?
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I won't tell you that you're a fan boy, or that you're stupid for thinking the way you do. It's clear.
Ask yourself this: are apps what you need to make your phone productive and useful?
I asked myself this question and found out, no. I use core apps like chrome, power amp, twitter and they're all well polished apps.
The freedom of the OS matters more to me than the apps, then again android apps are that bad.
Good luck
Return it. You want to just use the phone, as a phone.
ios is for you.
Photo apps
hankdu said:
I recently got myself a Nexus 4, my first Android phone, and had been using it as my main phone for the past five days. I come from the iOS world (keen jailbreaker) and my initial reactions were very positive:
Love widgets and how convenient they can be
Love the extent of customisation
Love the big screen and clean UI in general
Love the hardware (camera and speed)
Love Google service integration (maps, contact, calendar) = just works
However, there is one aspect that really bothers me and I wanted to hear what other people think.
APPS.
iOS apps are often more polished than their Android equivalent, in another word they contain less bugs. I find Android apps crash more often and some of the functions don’t always work. Example: I found a bug in Skype that the ringing tone continues to sound even after the call is connected. Skype has been around for so many years and yet there is a bug?
.
Android don’t always get the newest or most updated apps because it is easier for developers to create apps on iOS. This can lead to some core function of an apps missing compare to their equivalent on iOS. Example: I have a Synology NAS at home that acts as my media hub, which can be remotely accessed by Synology-made streaming apps on the iOS. On Android, the video app isn’t available and the music app is very buggy and lacks some very core functions.
.
Due to the ever increasing range of Android devices, that is at a pace faster than iOS devices, I feel there is a greater chance of an Android device becoming unsupported by an app than an iOS device. This means potentially one has to upgrade to a new Android device sooner than they can afford or wish to.
.
There is a greater range of apps, including games, on iOS. Example: I really would like a decent photo editing app, such as Snapseed, on my Android but can’t seem to find one that I like. Official Simplenotes app is also unavailable on Android.
I suspect the defragmentation of the Android ecosystem is, in part, responsible for the problems I mentioned and it’s something I don’t see Google can do much about anytime soon. Therefore, in my mind, the situation is likely to remain the same for a while which makes Android less appealing to me. Understandably, it is a complex and widespread issue that is inherent in the Android world.
Sorry about my boring post but I have two days left to refund my Nexus 4. Should I keep it or refund it?
Thanks guys
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Here comes a list of photo apps I hope you will like. I have them all installed on my Note 2 and am often forced to use more than one of them to get the results i wish. This does not however bother me. Nor does it bother me that some cost over a whole $1 to buy.
PicsPlayPro + great for making basic adjustments - no sharpness or fine rotation
Pixlr - this is brand new and very promising. Has both fine rotation and sharpness - no historgram or curves like PicsPlayPro
TouchRetouch +fantastic at removing annoying objects or people from plain backgrounds - you must know it's limits
Afterfocus + the best I know of for getting that shallow portrait depth of field.
Aviary
SketchBookPro - this is more of an art program but you can import pictures add layers, text and paint to retouch. - you need the S-Pen
PicSayPro: lots of gimmicky filters and effect +++layer masks!!
The following are a collection that are both camera and filters or just cameras
Vignette
LittlePhoto
MagicHour
HDRPro ProHDR? +++very good for landscapes, interior architecture -don't try photo people
Picturesque + some amazing effects can be achieved with this app. Check out #picturesque on Instagram
Lastly Cymera needs to be mention for its 5 different cameras, its fun filters
Hope this helps. Welcome to android.
Oh, I almost forgot my favourite camera FV-5. Silly name great camera.
I would never get an Android tablet because of the lack of premium quality apps. I would want apps like Garage Band which Android has nothing remotely close to. Like on a PC the app selection for a tablet is the most important aspect of the device, and iOS crushes Android in that department.
I can live with the limited premium app selection for a phone because I dont use my phone as a computer or for doing serious tasks.
dankoman said:
Sure, it's easy to develop a "polished" app with no bugs when your consumer audience is using a handful of IOS-based devices. The reason Android apps SEEM more buggy is that there are hundreds of different devices that use the Android OS. Problems are going to arise due to differences in hardware, but a good developer nails these problems and their app will evolve into a polished, bug-free work of art.
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To answer your question, though, you should keep it. There's not a WHOLE lot going on with the nexus yet because of availability issues, but bugs will be squashed. Have patience. As more devs get their hands on it, it will get a lot better.
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After some thoughts and insightful opinions from other android users - I have decided to keep the device. You are right, the availability is an issue at the moment and I believe android apps are only going to be come more polished as time pasts.
qwahchees said:
I won't tell you that you're a fan boy, or that you're stupid for thinking the way you do. It's clear.
Ask yourself this: are apps what you need to make your phone productive and useful?
I asked myself this question and found out, no. I use core apps like chrome, power amp, twitter and they're all well polished apps.
The freedom of the OS matters more to me than the apps, then again android apps are that bad.
Good luck
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You've made some very good points and I seemed to have forgotten the key here is how I intend to use the device. All the core apps I use are all very polished on Android and, in fact, I like them more than on iOS because of all the available customization options. iOS at the moment has no jailbreak for many of their new devices and I foresee jailbreaking becoming more and more difficult. I enjoy the freedom on Android. Thanks for your advice :good:
Dmwitz said:
Here comes a list of photo apps I hope you will like. I have them all installed on my Note 2 and am often forced to use more than one of them to get the results i wish. This does not however bother me. Nor does it bother me that some cost over a whole $1 to buy.
PicsPlayPro + great for making basic adjustments - no sharpness or fine rotation
Pixlr - this is brand new and very promising. Has both fine rotation and sharpness - no historgram or curves like PicsPlayPro
TouchRetouch +fantastic at removing annoying objects or people from plain backgrounds - you must know it's limits
Afterfocus + the best I know of for getting that shallow portrait depth of field.
Aviary
SketchBookPro - this is more of an art program but you can import pictures add layers, text and paint to retouch. - you need the S-Pen
PicSayPro: lots of gimmicky filters and effect +++layer masks!!
The following are a collection that are both camera and filters or just cameras
Vignette
LittlePhoto
MagicHour
HDRPro ProHDR? +++very good for landscapes, interior architecture -don't try photo people
Picturesque + some amazing effects can be achieved with this app. Check out #picturesque on Instagram
Lastly Cymera needs to be mention for its 5 different cameras, its fun filters
Hope this helps. Welcome to android.
Oh, I almost forgot my favourite camera FV-5. Silly name great camera.
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WOW! THANK YOU! That has saved me so much time and they all look very intriguing! One of the positive things about Android is that there seems to always be a lite version to try out before one decides to upgrade to the full version. I may be wrong with what I said earlier about couldn't find a good photo editing app. Again, much appreciated for your recommendations :good:
idividebyzero said:
I would never get an Android tablet because of the lack of premium quality apps. I would want apps like Garage Band which Android has nothing remotely close to. Like on a PC the app selection for a tablet is the most important aspect of the device, and iOS crushes Android in that department.
I can live with the limited premium app selection for a phone because I dont use my phone as a computer or for doing serious tasks.
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I know what you mean - i got an ipad and that is what I use if there is an iOS app that I really want to try out. Its very hard to give up ios completely.
After reading the responses I got from this thread, I have decided not to return my N4. Here goes why:
None of the android apps is buggy to the extent that they are unusable. I suspect since JB has only just been released, bugs will be ironed out gradually. Android apps may not have all the functions as their iOS equivalent but the missing functions are not absolutely vital to me. There are usually some work around for the missing feature, such as use another app or just simply use a laptop. Many of the core apps I regularly use on my phone are polished on Android. In fact, I actually prefer the experience of these core apps on Android more than on iOS. The amount of tweaking I can do is simply too much to give up after having enjoyed the freedom of doing so. When I first unzipped a file on the N4, oh my, I was like “sweet!”.
I had forgotten that the key to my choice between iOS and Android was how I intended to use my phone. Having recognized this the choice between the two systems was an easy one - Android was clearly better (for me):
gmail and youtube apps were both better
video playback supported more format
reading experience was amazing thanks to the amazing screen
web browsing was wayyyyy smoother
apps were better integrated into each other
Looks like the N4 is here to stay
Thanks everyone for your input!
idividebyzero said:
I would never get an Android tablet because of the lack of premium quality apps. I would want apps like Garage Band which Android has nothing remotely close to. Like on a PC the app selection for a tablet is the most important aspect of the device, and iOS crushes Android in that department.
I can live with the limited premium app selection for a phone because I dont use my phone as a computer or for doing serious tasks.
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I am exactly the opposite. I can't really do anything on iPad since what I do need jailbreak at least. I need a Tab that could run Linux, or access one. I'm waiting for the day it comes to some Android Tablet and then buy 1. I now have an iPad that is sitting somewhere. Ever since I received my Nexus 4 I have never touched the iPad again. I don't have an Android tab to compare, but my friend's tab are pretty bland. It's pretty much a blown up version of the phone.
You can run Ubuntu on N7.
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I would defiantly agree with you. iOS apps are more polished on the whole. While this isn't 100% true, I feel like many apps on iOS are more trustworthy and more likely to just work. Android on the other hand you have to filter through a ton of crap...
But then a polished Android app is just as functional as a polished iOS app. There is no reason why a well made app for iOS would be better than a well made Android app.
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[*]Due to the ever increasing range of Android devices, that is at a pace faster than iOS devices, I feel there is a greater chance of an Android device becoming unsupported by an app than an iOS device. This means potentially one has to upgrade to a new Android device sooner than they can afford or wish to.
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I think you feel this way because you come from the Apple ecosystem. As a quick and dirty Apple developer I find myself getting increasingly frustrated with our newer OS updates breaking things. Even pulling sysinfo seems to be different with every OS they release.
Google as well as their app developers are both well aware that most of the android community is still running on Gingerbread, so I don't think you'll see your Nexus 4 go out of style anytime soon. Keep in mind that you also have a Nexus device, and will in all likeliness be one of the first to taste Key Lime Pie whenever it's released.
Warrior1975 said:
You can run Ubuntu on N7.
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I know. Thats why i said that. Wait until the day you can run Ubuntu on iPad.
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wngmv said:
I know. Thats why i said that. Wait until the day you can run Ubuntu on iPad.
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I must have misunderstood your post. It seemed like you were waiting for Ubuntu to come to an android tab from the way you worded it.
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You chose well. I had every iPhone from the original to the 4s and I do agree with you that apps seem more polished, but that's not everything. I've actually read articles where iOS apps crash more than android, but apple's way of programming will hold a still of the last image on the screen until the app restarts, all without the user knowing... Now, I have no proof of this, it's just something I read.
As for android, there's just more that can be done even without rooting. I was so tired of the jailbreak cat and mouse game with apple, but everything that I couldn't get on iOS, is all right there on android.
My last point in beating this dead horse I'd that this entire response was easily written by using Google's stock swiping keyboard! Nothing like that with apple....
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I consider myself lucky to have a jail broken ipad 3. Jailbreak is declining and it's a pity.
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Holy $#!^ don't do it! I had some issues with the WP8 upgrade that upset me enough to try out the competition. I left the Lumia 920 for the HTC One 4 months ago. I will say that having apps for everything and the ability to flash Rom's is cool, but that's about it. The OS sucks. I have jotted down some of my personal grievances in case anyone who thinks like me is thinking of switching. This will hopefully prevent a ton of wasted time and money.
• Overall OS is buggy and a total resource hog. It requires premium hardware specs to deliver an experience close to the smoothness and fluidity found in Windows Phone and iOS, but still doesn’t achieve that. And don’t even think about matching performance of budget Android phones vs. budget Windows Phones, not even in the same league.
• It requires almost daily reboot’s to keep performance from suffering or the OS from completely crashing. This usually depends on how many apps I use on any given day but is still far, far lower in performance reliability than Windows Phone.
• It is the most virus prone mobile OS available. This is pretty huge. In addition, Google data mines every account you set up on the phone. As soon as I set up my company IMAP account, and I mean, next day, I started receiving junk for the first time in 4 years. Absolutely unforgivable.
• Touch responsiveness is a joke. The delay on the keyboard response, for example, when you’re used to iOS or WP is unbearable for me and feels super low quality
• The graphics and icons are kind of toy which requires a launcher and icon pack to remedy. Even then, most packs I tried only covered half the apps I needed and the remaining app icons looked stupid. So I had to individually edit icons to get something acceptable to me.
• Communication apps are horrible. Mail, Contacts, Messaging and Dialer apps can all be replaced by better alternatives, but you run into issues when using one Dev’s dialer, another’s contacts app because the contacts app has a dialer that sucks and vice versa but when both are installed...... Forget it. It’s all a confusing mess that forced me back to the stock applications experience, which sucks.
• Most Android users and developers will tell you that the only way to get the best performance out of Android is to flash a custom ROM. In other words, Google has done such a rookie job on this OS that a community of non-paid hobbyists (Who are incredibly talented and people who help others to seemingly no end) are the go to guys when you want to achieve today’s standards in smartphone performance! Only, not all ROM’s are created equally and aside from the pains of flashing until you find something you like, you risk bricking your phone and voiding the warranty. Google should hire these Dev's and release something quality from the gate!
• Music library management is so painful for me. I, like many people have used iTunes for years and also used Zune and Xbox Music. Apple is the obvious winner here as iTunes works seamlessly with iOS. Windows Phone has a clean little desktop app that syncs my iTunes playlists and songs, but it’s an extra step. Android requires a desktop app and Android app combo. There are a bunch and the one I found the least annoying was TuneSync but I couldn’t get it to work via USB so it took an eternity to sync a few playlists. And, the stock music player is ****.
Honestly, I don't understand how Android has the explosive market share it's enjoying today, I hate it. When I compare it to Windows Phone or iOS, it's like a cheap knock off of what a smartphone OS is supposed to feel like. They have apps, lots of apps and some of which I will really miss. But the OS? When comparing straight up performance, integration of services, stability and reliability, polish, fluidity and built in communication suite, for me it's no contest and I can't wait to get back to Windows Phone!
Hope this helps someone!
You just dun get ride in Android OS for my opinion...lol
For me Android is great, not so like Windows Mobile, iOS still ok if for daily use.
Of course if in smoothness Windows phone and iOS are more smooth than Android, but that's got something Android can found but other OS can't found one; and also in Android 4.3 this problem is finally solve (by using my Nexus 7 2nd gen)
For my opinion, Android is more to those engineering ppl, Windows phone is more to business ppl
nahh, its just you.
1) I dont have to reboot my phone. my uptime is like 100 hrs, and no lag or bugs or anything like tat.
2) what are you doing.. seriously? two questions. did you install porn? -virus+spam and how many instant messaging apps do you have? -lag
3) icons are smth i complain about as well. android and iOS is the same type of icons. windows give a sense of class.
4) itunes, seriously?? i stop using my ipod coz of itunes, i threw away my iphone coz of itunes. music syncing is a piece of crap, especially on a home computer.
5) touch responsiveness? i tink you got to send ur unit to the service centre, probably got a faulty unit
6) custom roms are there for a reason. Google provide a vanilla rom: smooth and minimal. All the other manufacturers are making their own rom=lag/useless. So custom rom are made for ppl to give variety, like PA having hybrid prop, and aokp having lots of stuff to customise.
7) Communication app problem? its coz ur used to ur WP. when i use WP, i feel like throwing it away too.
8) music app really kinda sucks tho, i just stream.
Windows phone really look classy, and i like the feel. but with the limitation, it obviously show why the market share keeps dropping.
iOS-getting outdated. iOS 7 looks cool, but usability is so last decade
WP- classy, for non-tech people who is so lazy to make their phone look special
Android- too much customization, but everyone's device is unique. well except those non-techie again.
Ubuntu- cool, but still buggy.
Wp class for no tech people ok but no file manager, no manual network setting....nooo
sss2sssss said:
You just dun get ride in Android OS for my opinion...lol
For me Android is great, not so like Windows Mobile, iOS still ok if for daily use.
Of course if in smoothness Windows phone and iOS are more smooth than Android, but that's got something Android can found but other OS can't found one; and also in Android 4.3 this problem is finally solve (by using my Nexus 7 2nd gen)
For my opinion, Android is more to those engineering ppl, Windows phone is more to business ppl
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Android for engineer people? What exactly has android that helps "engineer" people?
jacktay94 said:
nahh, its just you.
Windows phone really look classy, and i like the feel. but with the limitation, it obviously show why the market share keeps dropping.
Ubuntu- cool, but still buggy.
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Actually Windows Phone's market share is increasing... Blackberry is the one that's slowly dwindling.
Agree with you on Ubuntu... I'm interested to see the "final product".
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I made the mistake of getting a WP8 phone after being an Android fan for some time. I currently own a Nokia Lumia WP8, an iPhone 5 for work and the Galaxy S and Galaxy S2 in a drawer at the house.
No phone is perfect, Android has it's share of issues, as does iOS as does WP8. It's just that Android and iPhone can at least do the things they do and do it well. WP8 still doesn't have a decent facebook app or decent map app, the data speeds are significantly slower than other android/ios phones that are on the same network, push notifications sometimes don't come through until far after the notification was originally pushed. Battery life is sub-par, little customization of the OS, even the larger and more popular applications that actually do manage to make it to WP8 end up having their gui re-written and tailored to look like the rest of WP8 which actually becomes pretty boring and mundane after a while, you can't even get any decent browser options like Chrome, Firefox or even Opera for that matter. Instead, what you end up finding are a bunch of knock-off applications written by little-known dev companies or freelance programmers with all sorts of Chinese, Indian or Russian sounding names that are garbage and do who-knows-what in the background.
I could go on, but suffice it to say, this will likely be my last Windows Phone purchase. The WP8 gui looks decent and is snappy and smooth but beyond that, it doesn't do a whole lot.
really i am in the other site i dont like the sandbox of windows mobile 8 i came to windows mobile from somewhat more easily customized oses symbian and android.
as of now i am going back to android
i ve had a nexus 4 and i had no lag
also an os that doesnt let you do anything with it is not really working as a smartphone at least ios has been jailbroken for a while and some things can be used as they should have been used .
in my opinion windows mobile must rid of locks on it.it is sure that if it doesnt let you do anything it would be lag free but what is the gain then?.
and by that i say that i may come back when a jailbreak is near my phone (ascend w1)....
ericdude said:
I made the mistake of getting a WP8 phone after being an Android fan for some time. I currently own a Nokia Lumia WP8, an iPhone 5 for work and the Galaxy S and Galaxy S2 in a drawer at the house.
No phone is perfect, Android has it's share of issues, as does iOS as does WP8. It's just that Android and iPhone can at least do the things they do and do it well. WP8 still doesn't have a decent facebook app or decent map app, the data speeds are significantly slower than other android/ios phones that are on the same network....
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I would disagree with most of this except push notifications . I have done a few data speed tests because I was suspicious that the One was actually slower but apps like speedtest reflected comparable results for my wife's Lumia 920 vs. my One. Nokia's Maps are really nice, better experience than Apples but I do like Google's offering the best. More points:
Battery: My phone is off the charger at 7 a.m. and back on at 10 p.m. I operate a small business so tons of talk time tons of navigation, I notice no difference in battery performance from my 920 to the One
OS Customizing: Don't really care about this but its true. I have tried 10 to 15 launchers and God knows how many Rom's trying to customize an experience that Android can't deliver. I like the WP OS and really have no desire to make any changes to it with the exception of a few features I would like MS to add.
Apps - I think I already addressed this
Browser - I would go heads up with any browser vs. IE 10 mobile. To say its not decent is just old school MS bash talk to me. Its fast & fluid like everything built in to the OS
But, I defend Windows Phone because I like it and feel like the experience it offers is superior to what I get from Android. You obviously feel the same about Android. I'm only writing this because I think people can tell when someone thinks the way they do, so for people who think like I do and love the Windows Phone OS, my advice is that you stay put unless you can afford to play around with competing devices.
BTW I bashed Android without pointing out what I love about Windows Phone:
People Hub – deep social integration with Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Skype and offers superior groups and room’s options
Search – Instant results for local eating, shopping and events. Integrated music DNA search, integrated vision search supporting barcodes, QR, MS Tags, CD, DVD and book covers.
Groups – Offers users the ability to share group calendar, group OneNote notebook, group pictures and group chatting
Messaging – Facebook chat integration and integrated location sharing etc.
Dynamic Icons – Instead of a static image Live Tiles provide live updates and can be pinned in 3 different sizes
Deep App Pinning – Instead of just an eBay icon, users can pin an eBay item tile to the Start screen and view updated information right from that tile. Or, pin an actual TuneIn station.
Microsoft Office – Free and complete Microsoft Office mobile suite
Kid’s Corner – Cool to keep the kids in a sandbox
Online Backup – SkyDrive integration offers backup features for photos, instant photo upload, music, documents, phone app list and phone settings. The SkyDrive capabilities on Windows OS makes sharing and using data across smartphone and tablet or PC seamless and better than any competing option
jacktay94 said:
nahh, its just you.
Windows phone really look classy, and i like the feel. but with the limitation, it obviously show why the market share keeps dropping.
iOS-getting outdated. iOS 7 looks cool, but usability is so last decade
WP- classy, for non-tech people who is so lazy to make their phone look special
Android- too much customization, but everyone's device is unique. well except those non-techie again.
Ubuntu- cool, but still buggy.
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Nah, it's not just me bud:
1) "my uptime is like 100 hrs, and no lag or bugs or anything like that" - Seriously!? You can keep your phone on for 4 whole days without bugs or anything! Bravo, thanks for making my point.
2) "what are you doing.. seriously? two questions. did you install porn? " I'm operating a small business. No porn and I didn't say I personally got a virus. I said the Android is the most susceptible and that I DID get data mined to a private work email that was never spammed in the 4 years since I created it. Until Android
3) I obviously agree.
4) "iTunes, seriously??" Yes seriously. For starters I purchase all of my music and iTunes has a massive catalogue. Also, this music is for me and my family. I have to send it to multiple devices (PC's and mobile devices) and multiple OS's. Android is the biggest problem child in that mix.
5) "touch responsiveness?" I have had 3 HTC Ones actually. Press a key on the keyboard and watch how long it takes the keyboard to respond. Then try it on a Windows Phone. Pretty clear
6) "custom roms are there for a reason" your reasons are nonsense. Here is a quote from the about of my favorite ROM "a stock ROM experience with the ability to choose the features and functions they want, demand performance and expect stability!" NOTE THE STABILITY AND PERFORMANCE PART
7) "Communication app problem? its coz ur used to ur WP." No it's not. I think the iOS communications suite is superior as well.
8) "music app really kinda sucks tho, i just stream." I do that too but I have a massive music collection I love to listen too
Bottom line is that I just don't like Android. I know that there are a lot of people who Android works well for I mean them no disrespect. I am not trying to talk them in to moving to my favorite OS and would never do that. I am sharing my experience for people who like the same kinds of thins I do and thought about trying the competition, even though they like Windows Phone. Many would be disappointed and for them, I say don't waste your time or money
TechJunkiesCA said:
Nah, it's not just me bud:
1) "my uptime is like 100 hrs, and no lag or bugs or anything like that" - Seriously!? You can keep your phone on for 4 whole days without bugs or anything! Bravo, thanks for making my point.
2) "what are you doing.. seriously? two questions. did you install porn? " I'm operating a small business. No porn and I didn't say I personally got a virus. I said the Android is the most susceptible and that I DID get data mined to a private work email that was never spammed in the 4 years since I created it. Until Android
3) I obviously agree.
4) "iTunes, seriously??" Yes seriously. For starters I purchase all of my music and iTunes has a massive catalogue. Also, this music is for me and my family. I have to send it to multiple devices (PC's and mobile devices) and multiple OS's. Android is the biggest problem child in that mix.
5) "touch responsiveness?" I have had 3 HTC Ones actually. Press a key on the keyboard and watch how long it takes the keyboard to respond. Then try it on a Windows Phone. Pretty clear
6) "custom roms are there for a reason" your reasons are nonsense. Here is a quote from the about of my favorite ROM "a stock ROM experience with the ability to choose the features and functions they want, demand performance and expect stability!" NOTE THE STABILITY AND PERFORMANCE PART
7) "Communication app problem? its coz ur used to ur WP." No it's not. I think the iOS communications suite is superior as well.
8) "music app really kinda sucks tho, i just stream." I do that too but I have a massive music collection I love to listen too
Bottom line is that I just don't like Android. I know that there are a lot of people who Android works well for I mean them no disrespect. I am not trying to talk them in to moving to my favorite OS and would never do that. I am sharing my experience for people who like the same kinds of thins I do and thought about trying the competition, even though they like Windows Phone. Many would be disappointed and for them, I say don't waste your time or money
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1) yupp, i just switched my phone off ystd, coz i changed the battery. after like one whole week of being on.
2)You probably registered your email in some website tho. Android didn't give me spam
3) yeahh
4) dont you find it a hassle when you sync ur family members playlist when u just wanna charge your ipod? your from the states, so i understand, coz we in malaysia dun buy much music, especially on itunes. hehe wat i do is just copy+paste, no need to complicate things, back to basics.
5) hmmm, i probably need to post a video of me typing then. hahaha! but really, was it on custom rom?
6) the most stable rom: vanilla, pure android is most stable man. performance is overclocking, google wont endorse that.
7) coz both are simple. too simple. hahaha!
8) like play music app, whole library free for a month, wat other collection do you want?
nahh, just making conversation. planning to get a lumnia 600+ series as a for fun phone, just wanna check out the real feel of using WP, when i get the budget. hehe
I have both Android and WP. What I like in Android is that I can do pretty much anything with it like on a PC, but that's where it stops. I have a Samsung Galaxy S which is a pretty old phone and I have a custom rom with Android 4.2 on it. The phone came with android 2.3 and Samsung just decided it did not have enough RAM to run 4.x well and stopped updating it. Well, it is much less laggy on the custom ROM with 4.x than the stock ROM with 2.x. I would never trust an Android device as a phone, it just is too crashy and buggy OS to do anything important. With the stock ROM it rebooted many times when I tried to answer a call etc, and web browsing exprience just sucks. This has to do with the low memory but 512MB should be enough for a phone. When I browse the web on Android, other apps that run in the background get killed and eventually the browser stops working too (Just like on good old Symbian ). My WP7 (Samsung Omnia 7) has nearly identical specs and I have no memory problems, I have several hundred megabytes of free RAM no matter what I do and browsing is very smooth. Also it's annoying when you need to take a quick pic of something important and the Camera app crashes on Android... One thing Android does better than WP is scrolling long lists - it takes ages to scroll a long list on WP, but on Android the scrolling accelerates when you scroll..
OP keeping WP circlejerk alive as always
Taurenking said:
OP keeping WP circlejerk alive as always
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Seriously? Grow up
Edit - and go away. This is a WP thread. Why droid people are here making negative comments never ceases to amaze me. I don't read your threads let alone comment in them.
ericdude said:
I made the mistake of getting a WP8 phone after being an Android fan for some time. I currently own a Nokia Lumia WP8, an iPhone 5 for work and the Galaxy S and Galaxy S2 in a drawer at the house.
No phone is perfect, Android has it's share of issues, as does iOS as does WP8. It's just that Android and iPhone can at least do the things they do and do it well. WP8 still doesn't have a decent facebook app or decent map app, the data speeds are significantly slower than other android/ios phones that are on the same network, push notifications sometimes don't come through until far after the notification was originally pushed. Battery life is sub-par, little customization of the OS, even the larger and more popular applications that actually do manage to make it to WP8 end up having their gui re-written and tailored to look like the rest of WP8 which actually becomes pretty boring and mundane after a while, you can't even get any decent browser options like Chrome, Firefox or even Opera for that matter. Instead, what you end up finding are a bunch of knock-off applications written by little-known dev companies or freelance programmers with all sorts of Chinese, Indian or Russian sounding names that are garbage and do who-knows-what in the background.
I could go on, but suffice it to say, this will likely be my last Windows Phone purchase. The WP8 gui looks decent and is snappy and smooth but beyond that, it doesn't do a whole lot.
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I don't really care about a "decent" FB app so I'll give you that one. But if you think that Google Maps is anywhere as good as Here, you have no idea what a good map app is. Or maybe you don't have a Lumia. Nokia's mapping software is going to be the industry standard soon now that it's available for iOS. You know those fanboys are having a hard time without a usable map app.
MS Office + SkyDrive - 'nuff said.
People Hub - only webOS Synergy was better
Nokia Cinemagraph - best stock animation and GIF creator
The fact that WP8 can be as fluid and lag-free as any other OS without needing 20 cores and 4 GB of RAM speaks volumes about the OS itself. PalmOS was probably the only other OS that was as resource-friendly as WP, Symbian a close second.
I don't dislike Android, or iOS for that matter, I just find WP8 to be the best all-around combination of phone and OS. MS has stringent rules about how their OS is to be presented and that might not be such a bad thing.
Windows phone 8 isn't windows mobile. They're two different os.
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Taurenking said:
OP keeping WP circlejerk alive as always
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Ahh look I'm blushing! Hey, trolling forums of devices or operating systems you don't use speaks volumes of how engaging your platform must be, not to mention your personal life. Hope things pick up for you!
I'm considering getting a lumia 925 or 1020 to replace my HTC One. I've become bored with android and ios. What're everyone's thoughts and anything I should know before making the switch?
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Amrut223 said:
I'm considering getting a lumia 925 or 1020 to replace my HTC One. I've become bored with android and ios. What're everyone's thoughts and anything I should know before making the switch?
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wait for the snapdragon 800 nokia phone if you can; if you're gonna buy an old phone instead of a new one, make sure you don't have a not for resale phone(demo unit).
Many apps won't work, you'll have to make do for a while... what is your typical phone use?
Why wait for the new soc. From what I've been reading wp runs smooth on almost anything. I have no interest in benchmark scores. I simply want to get decent battery life.
Speaking of which. How does the lumia 925 hold up in that respect?? Reviews seem to have mixed feelings about it.
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