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Paul released Visionary R14 "with r/w"
I used it on a fresh S-ON stock ROM and it roots OK, I tick "mount r/w" and seems OK
Then I boot to bootloader and I see "S-ON", BUT I CAN enter Clockwork and flash my nandroid back
Has somebody else tested it ??
With r/w achieved, seems S-OFF will not be necessary anymore ??
This will save many noobs from bricking their phones
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gtrab said:
Paul released Visionary R14 "with r/w"
I used it on a fresh S-ON stock ROM and it roots OK, I tick "mount r/w" and seems OK
Then I boot to bootloader and I see "S-ON", BUT I CAN enter Clockwork and flash my nandroid back
Has somebody else tested it ??
With r/w achieved, seems S-OFF will not be necessary anymore ??
This will save many noobs from bricking their phones
OOpen for discussion
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Weird.
I'd prefer S-OFF though. Dunno why, just an engineering hboot seems better to me. Like the splash screens. And stuff.
so I can use visionary now instead of S-OFF and install roms and all is that the case?
Problem is you need S-OFF to flash clockwork,
so as long as the ROM you flash doesn't contain a recovery...
That's why this thread is up for discussion, I'd like to hear comments and experiences.
I'd stick to S-OFF in the mean time.
gtrab said:
Problem is you need S-OFF to flash clockwork,
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...but when you first install the ENG HBOOT you flash it at this point (via dd) - so is the recovery partition not writable but the HBOOT is?
I just do not get the difference between temp root, and then enabling temproot on boot, and permanent root.
I mean if you temp root and then enable temproot on boot, the device will be root every time, so why should you perm root?
Can anyone answer me?
Thanks in advance
buzmay said:
I just do not get the difference between temp root, and then enabling temproot on boot, and permanent root.
I mean if you temp root and then enable temproot on boot, the device will be root every time, so why should you perm root?
Can anyone answer me?
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I'm sure someone else will have a better answer, but from my own point of view, with the temp root, you haven't properly rooted it really. The phone effectively hasn't been rooted, but you're rooting it specifically every time you boot up, because any writes to the system aren't being saved in permanent storage, only in cache memory (lost when shut down). What if something goes wrong with that process ?
Seems to me it's much better to have the rooting actually written to the phone's permanent storage (NAND).
steviewevie said:
I'm sure someone else will have a better answer, but from my own point of view, with the temp root, you haven't properly rooted it really. The phone effectively hasn't been rooted, but you're rooting it specifically every time you boot up, because any writes to the system aren't being saved in permanent storage, only in cache memory (lost when shut down). What if something goes wrong with that process ?
Seems to me it's much better to have the rooting actually written to the phone's permanent storage (NAND).
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Thanks for the answer, what if something goes wrong? isn't this method currently the safest?
I was just wonder, because I would like to root my desire z but seems to be quite unstable still with the methods availble, and until there is no ROM that supports A2SD then I do not see a reason for either perm root or S-Off.
So that is why I was wondering.
Gtrab, I've updated to version Visionary r14 and then enabled the new option for R/W, restarted and I still have S-OFF and the ClockWorkMod.
I use root explorer to make changes to the /system partition, it allows to mount it r/w so I think I'm going to disable this on boot option for security...
Have you flashed the stock hboot earlier or did some changes/testing prior the update of this program?
EDIT: here's the link of the Visionary app thread with the description, maybe it can answer some questions.
http://android.modaco.com/content/h...m/322658/19-nov-r14-visionary-one-click-root/
zuachs said:
Gtrab, I've updated to version Visionary r14 and then enabled the new option for R/W, restarted and I still have S-OFF and the ClockWorkMod.
I use root explorer to make changes to the /system partition, it allows to mount it r/w so I think I'm going to disable this on boot option for security...
Have you flashed the stock hboot earlier or did some changes/testing prior the update of this program?
EDIT: here's the link of the Visionary app thread with the description, maybe it can answer some questions.
http://android.modaco.com/content/h...m/322658/19-nov-r14-visionary-one-click-root/
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I've tested tons of combinations, but yes I did as you say:
Flahsed a fresh untouched ROM from my version's RUU, this turned S-ON and lost root.
Then used Visionary 14 to temp root-> perm root with r/w ticked.
After reboot, I had root and was able to mount r/w on demand, but was unable to install ClockworkMod (CWM) from the ROM Manager app because I was S-ON (obviously because visionary r14 doesn't have engineering hboot).
I think CWM is priceless, so I installed the eng hboot again to go S-OFF.
If you check koush's (ROM Manager) thread, he states CWM requires S-OFF
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834731
gtrab said:
I've tested tons of combinations, but yes I did as you say:
Flahsed a fresh untouched ROM from my version's RUU, this turned S-ON and lost root.
Then used Visionary 14 to temp root-> perm root with r/w ticked.
After reboot, I had root and was able to mount r/w on demand, but was unable to install ClockworkMod (CWM) from the ROM Manager app because I was S-ON (obviously because visionary r14 doesn't have engineering hboot).
I think CWM is priceless, so I installed the eng hboot again to go S-OFF.
If you check koush's (ROM Manager) thread, he states CWM requires S-OFF
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834731
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Yes it was the problem, I'm glad it's working for you! I agree with you regarding the CWM
gtrab said:
I've tested tons of combinations, but yes I did as you say:
Flahsed a fresh untouched ROM from my version's RUU, this turned S-ON and lost root.
Then used Visionary 14 to temp root-> perm root with r/w ticked.
After reboot, I had root and was able to mount r/w on demand, but was unable to install ClockworkMod (CWM) from the ROM Manager app because I was S-ON (obviously because visionary r14 doesn't have engineering hboot).
I think CWM is priceless, so I installed the eng hboot again to go S-OFF.
If you check koush's (ROM Manager) thread, he states CWM requires S-OFF
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834731
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Since your guides are so amazing Do you think you can make a dummy one for how to loose root and S-Off, more specifically where to get the stock RUUs and how to flash them?
Do you get them from shipped-roms.com or where?
I just want to be sure in case of having to return back the device.
Thanks in advance
gtrab said:
If you check koush's (ROM Manager) thread, he states CWM requires S-OFF
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834731
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I don't understand why though - if you can flash to the HBOOT partition why can't you flash to the recovery partition?
You can. You'd need to use the wpthis thing before using clockwork. Think I'd prefer S-OFF though.
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DanWilson said:
You can. You'd need to use the wpthis thing before using clockwork. Think I'd prefer S-OFF though.
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OK so Visionary will temproot and then insmod wpthis... So theoretically you could then (without rebooting) run Rom Manager and it could flash ClockworkRecovery, which itself has been modified to include wpthis so you wouldn't need to flash HBOOT?
I know some would prefer to have S-OFF in the HBOOT, but if you're not fussed or don't want to take the risk then the above could be an option... if my understanding's right!?
DanWilson said:
You can. You'd need to use the wpthis thing before using clockwork. Think I'd prefer S-OFF though.
Sent from a Pulse. Yes, a Pulse.
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What is wpthis??
buzmay said:
What is wpthis??
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The module that turns off the write protection on the internal NAND storage. See the sticky threads on rooting for more details.
mamoulian666 said:
OK so Visionary will temproot and then insmod wpthis... So theoretically you could then (without rebooting) run Rom Manager and it could flash ClockworkRecovery, which itself has been modified to include wpthis so you wouldn't need to flash HBOOT?
I know some would prefer to have S-OFF in the HBOOT, but if you're not fussed or don't want to take the risk then the above could be an option... if my understanding's right!?
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the wpthis ("write protect this") effect is temporary since a reboot will delete it and restore stock values
theoretically speaking, you could insmod wpthis and then tell ROM Manager to install CWM
buzmay said:
Since your guides are so amazing Do you think you can make a dummy one for how to loose root and S-Off, more specifically where to get the stock RUUs and how to flash them?
Do you get them from shipped-roms.com or where?
I just want to be sure in case of having to return back the device.
Thanks in advance
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I've been updating the FAQs day after day,
I think all of your requirements are already there (flashing from RUU, getting the RUUs, how to go back from root and S-OFF, etc. It's all in the FAQ.
Where do I get 'em ?? The Desire Z Android Development forum has several RUUs listed, these are the only ones I am aware of.
A specific link to a specific RUU ?? Not a good idea:
I could link them on the tutorial, but newer ones will always pop up and links will get obsolete, people will get confused.
Thats why I btter state "check the forum for currnt / latest available RUUs".
gtrab said:
I've been updating the FAQs day after day,
I think all of your requirements are already there (flashing from RUU, getting the RUUs, how to go back from root and S-OFF, etc. It's all in the FAQ.
Where do I get 'em ?? The Desire Z Android Development forum has several RUUs listed, these are the only ones I am aware of.
A specific link to a specific RUU ?? Not a good idea:
I could link them on the tutorial, but newer ones will always pop up and links will get obsolete, people will get confused.
Thats why I btter state "check the forum for currnt / latest available RUUs".
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Could you having s-off and of course perm root, to come back to stock rom could you copy the PC10img to the root of the sdcard and enter into bootloader? will that work?
Thanks a lot in advance
I need help, which guide do i use to unroot my myTouch? I rooted with VISIONary.
Sorry if this was already asked before, search function not working right now.
Edit: do i just let the bootloader flash the PD15IMG.zip file?
uzi132 said:
I need help, which guide do i use to unroot my myTouch? I rooted with VISIONary.
Sorry if this was already asked before, search function not working right now.
Edit: do i just let the bootloader flash the PD15IMG.zip file?
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IF all you did was root with VISIONary.apk and didn't turn s=off reinstall VISIONary and tap the unroot button.
If you flashed the recovery image you need to flash the PD15IMG
Keep in mind if you did the ./gfree method you need to reverse it. see the development thread to do that.
neidlinger said:
IF all you did was root with VISIONary.apk and didn't turn s=off reinstall VISIONary and tap the unroot button.
If you flashed the recovery image you need to flash the PD15IMG
Keep in mind if you did the ./gfree method you need to reverse it. see the development thread to do that.
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EDIT: nvm, i just flashed PD15IMG and it reset everything.
neidlinger said:
IF all you did was root with VISIONary.apk and didn't turn s=off reinstall VISIONary and tap the unroot button.
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uzi132 said:
I downloaded VISIONary app and hit unroot. The phone rebooted but it still says S-OFF and now it says permission denied when i try to su.
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So it's obvious that you did more that just use VISIONary to root your phone. You also turned s=off. How did you do that, and what ROM are you currently using.
To regain root access re-root using VISIONary.
neidlinger said:
So it's obvious that you did more that just use VISIONary to root your phone. You also turned s=off. How did you do that, and what ROM are you currently using.
To regain root access re-root using VISIONary.
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Already unrooted by letting the bootloader flash the pd15img
[ROM]RUU_Speedy_S_Sprint_WWE_2.76.651.4_Radio_1.08.00.0 506_NV_SPCS_1.88
is this rom rootable? i cant seem to get visionary to root this rom.
i am unable to gain s-off with .98.0001 boot image. is there anyway to revert back to the orginal hboot?
rchris494 said:
[ROM]RUU_Speedy_S_Sprint_WWE_2.76.651.4_Radio_1.08.00.0 506_NV_SPCS_1.88
is this rom rootable? i cant seem to get visionary to root this rom.
i am unable to gain s-off with .98.0001 boot image. is there anyway to revert back to the orginal hboot?
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id say hit the irc for a faster response from someone who knows and ask them if you can use newkidds 1 zip to get your old hboot back, but keep in mind newkidd now has like 3 ruu files the old one with the .93 hboot and one with the .98 hboot and one with none I think
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flashed .exe
I flashed the .exe so i dont have access to clockwork recovery any more, To flash zip files. Probably a big mistake until a perm root solution is found.
rchris494 said:
I flashed the .exe so i dont have access to clockwork recovery any more, To flash zip files. Probably a big mistake until a perm root solution is found.
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You won't be flashing an exe with the ruu program on your computer, it should just return you to 100% old stock
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i just need.
I just need to find one that will revert me back to stock with .93 hboot so i can start over from scratch. The v1 version will not allow this due to being the wrong hboot when it does itks check...
Hello all,
I just ran RUU 2.2 to my wildfire, and used some command prompt actions to flash a new 1.0.0001 hboot to regain S-on. (Used Instructions Here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1160251 )
Then I tried to run revolutianary tool to regain root access, but I only gain S-on and after the tool goes not responding (although i choose yes when it asks me to download clockwordrecovery and install it)..... tried to run unrevoked after that (since i goot s-off but no root) but no luck,it gives the too new firmware error..
So, since I couldn't root, I reused the command prompt to regain S-On... I did all that from the very beginning just to get root access but on stock froyo, coz I didn't like CM...
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There is a lot of confusion in your post.
Alyzembawy said:
Tried to run revolutianary tool to regain root access, but I only gain S-on
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Revolutionary doesnt give you S-ON. It gives S-OFF. It doesn't give you root access either. Superuser binary does, which has to be flashed after you get S-OFF and Clockworkmod
Alyzembawy said:
So, since I couldn't root, I reused the command prompt to regain S-On... I did all that from the very beginning just to get root access but on stock froyo, coz I didn't like CM...
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You never got S-OFF as per your post. How did you S-ON a S-ON phone?
Anyway, from what I get, you have Stock Froyo, and you have S-ON, and you simply want root access? In that case, there are 2 ways
1) Gain S-OFF again using Revolutionary . Then install Custom Recovery (Seperately, if Revolutionary is not working / giving you an error), and simply flash the Superuser Binary in Clockworkmod
Or
2) Gain S-OFF using Revolutionary, then gain S-ON again using the same command prompt tools. But, instead of flashing HBoot 1.01.0001, flash HBoot 0.80.x. This will allow you to root using Unrevoked, as was the case earlier
3xeno said:
There is a lot of confusion in your post.
Revolutionary doesnt give you S-ON. It gives S-OFF. It doesn't give you root access either. Superuser binary does, which has to be flashed after you get S-OFF and Clockworkmod
You never got S-OFF as per your post. How did you S-ON a S-ON phone?
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Yeah sorry i meant that i got s-off after running revolutionary tool
Alyzembawy said:
Yeah sorry i meant that i got s-off after running revolutionary tool
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I checked your Edited post. Well, just follow one of the 2 methods I listed below, either of them will work.
3xeno said:
Anyway, from what I get, you have Stock Froyo, and you have S-ON, and you simply want root access? In that case, there are 2 ways
1) Gain S-OFF again using Revolutionary . Then install Custom Recovery (Seperately, if Revolutionary is not working / giving you an error), and simply flash the Superuser Binary in Clockworkmod
Or
2) Gain S-OFF using Revolutionary, then gain S-ON again using the same command prompt tools. But, instead of flashing HBoot 1.01.0001, flash HBoot 0.80.x. This will allow you to root using Unrevoked, as was the case earlier
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Can you please link me instructions to do these two steps, and which do you think is safer and easier ?!
And thanks btw
Alyzembawy said:
Can you please link me instructions to do these two steps, and which do you think is safer and easier ?!
And thanks btw
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Depends, but the first should be easier, since you have already performed it yourself. The procedure remains exactly the same, just that you do not flash the CM7 ROM File, but simply flash the Superuser Binary file to gain root.
- Run Revolutionary
- Gain S-OFF
- When it asks to install a Custom Recovery, Select Y, and if it installs, well and good.
- If it doesn't, follow this guide to install Clockworkmod - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1130044
- Once Clockworkmod is installed, download Superuser Binary here: http://bit.ly/su2361ef and place it on your SDCard
- Reboot into Clockworkmod Recovery and flash it. (Install Zip from SDCard > Select the zip file you just placed)
3xeno said:
Depends, but the first should be easier, since you have already performed it yourself. The procedure remains exactly the same, just that you do not flash the CM7 ROM File, but simply flash the Superuser Binary file to gain root.
- Run Revolutionary
- Gain S-OFF
- When it asks to install a Custom Recovery, Select Y, and if it installs, well and good.
- If it doesn't, follow this guide to install Clockworkmod - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1130044
- Once Clockworkmod is installed, download Superuser Binary here: http://bit.ly/su2361ef and place it on your SDCard
- Reboot into Clockworkmod Recovery and flash it. (Install Zip from SDCard > Select the zip file you just placed)
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Well that's funny, this time revolutionary tool just worked, and it reported "SUCCESS" about flashing CWM... So now am I fully rooted, or I still have to flash the binary super user app ?!
Alyzembawy said:
Well that's funny, this time revolutionary tool just worked, and it reported "SUCCESS" about flashing CWM... So now am I fully rooted, or I still have to flash the binary super user app ?!
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You'll still have to flash Superuser to gain root access. The correct terminology is that it is a ROM which is rooted. A phone is never rooted.
Also, since you are keeping S-OFF, don't forget the Sense Fix here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1156713
3xeno said:
You'll still have to flash Superuser to gain root access. The correct terminology is that it is a ROM which is rooted. A phone is never rooted.
Also, since you are keeping S-OFF, don't forget the Sense Fix here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1156713
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Ok, so now I will flash superuser to gain root acces, then flash the Sense Fix... Do I have to hard reset after all this ?!
Alyzembawy said:
Ok, so now I will flash superuser to gain root acces, then flash the Sense Fix... Do I have to hard reset after all this ?!
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Not necessary, (Flashing both, Superuser and the sense fix doesn't touch your data) but, remember to take a Nandroid Backup though, in Clockworkmod, just in case.
3xeno said:
Not necessary, (Flashing both, Superuser and the sense fix doesn't touch your data) but, remember to take a Nandroid Backup though, in Clockworkmod, just in case.
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Uhm, When I go to CWM and select Installl ZIP from SD Card, it goes to a black screen with the logo "REVOLUTIONARY" on... and the nothing...
Edit. Ah sorry, I was using the power button to select
Nvm
Ok so i recently just updated froyo to gingerbread beacause i was tired of it and i was perm rooted and now im not im version 2.3.4 and i have still have s-off anyone please help me get rooted without downgrading?!
how did you "upgrade"?
What's so damn urgent? The world will end (again...) if you won't be rooted?
And if it's so damn urgent - how about spending 5 min on Google-searching to discover the answer without even opening a thread? Hint - there's "root for s-off" thread, more than one.
To root you have to downgrade.... Did you use pd15.
This is NOT urgent. Damn people
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rockstarar said:
To root you have to downgrade..
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No he doesn't - if he used gfree when rooted originally (and stayed S-OFF as a result), he can root at any given moment without any complications.
Jack_R1 said:
No he doesn't - if he used gfree when rooted originally (and stayed S-OFF as a result), he can root at any given moment without any complications.
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Yep. He all he has to do is use fastboot to flash a recovery and flash a rooted ROM.
fastboot to flash a recovery and flash a rooted ROM.
Can someone help me fastboot recovery (what does that mean) and can someone give me a working android 2.3.4 mytouch 4g rooted rom many thanks!
-xXCyberSpiderXX
xXCyberSpiderXx said:
Can someone help me fastboot recovery (what does that mean) and can someone give me a working android 2.3.4 mytouch 4g rooted rom many thanks!
-xXCyberSpiderXX
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You need to learn to use Google. You got yourself into a situation you don't know how to get yourself out of because you decided not to do your research. Now you are refusing to research again. I will give you a link to a 5 minute adb/fastboot install, but you get to use Google to figure out how to use it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=928370
Just one additional clarification:
fastboot won't help him, since he's on stock HBOOT that will refuse fastboot.
What he can do, is to look for "root for s-off" thread, that has the required PD15IMG and instructions to get ONLY the engineering HBOOT and custom recovery in place.
If he won't find it - means he doesn't need to be rooted in first place.
From the custom recovery he'll need to find and install Superuser/SuperSU ZIP. And it's described in the thread.
Jack_R1 said:
Just one additional clarification:
fastboot won't help him, since he's on stock HBOOT that will refuse fastboot.
What he can do, is to look for "root for s-off" thread, that has the required PD15IMG and instructions to get ONLY the engineering HBOOT and custom recovery in place.
If he won't find it - means he doesn't need to be rooted in first place.
From the custom recovery he'll need to find and install Superuser/SuperSU ZIP. And it's described in the thread.
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I hadn't been on the stock HBOOT in so long I had forgotten. Thanks, Jack. You're as helpful as ever.
Thank you estallings15 for all your hard work i was looking it up and then i decided to fastboot back to 2.2.1 and i did perma root on it and then when i downgraded i didnt lose s-off which is weird so im going to install this custom 2.3.4 rooted rom many thanks!
link to rooted rom if anybody wants http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1264704
-xXCyberSpiderXx
Plus i forgot im going to flash the rom through clockworkmod recovery
You must have gotten S-Off with gfree. A PD15IMG.zip flash won't turn the security flag on when you use gfree.
Also, Jack_R1 was very helpful as well. He simply wants people to do their research and know how to solve a problem before they run into it, as do I.
Hopefully, now you know what happened, why, and how to fix it in the future if you or another person get into the same situation or a similar one. Good luck, and enjoy your phone!
i did use gfree but i just updated through hboot im going to see if i have root now,
xXCyberSpiderXx said:
i did use gfree but i just updated through hboot im going to see if i have root now,
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Through HBOOT or recovery?
I was gonna get in earlier because i had this same issue but since jack and estallings were helping you, i didn't. Here is what you do.
-Go to the downgrade guide, download fr3vo
-Use the guide to achieve temp root, no need to downgrade android version or anything, just get temproot
-The above step should give you permaroot
-Get Rom Manager and flash clockwork
-There ya go
ok so i was going to flash the rooted rom through recovery but it didnt work so i had no choice but to do hboot im so lost and it didnt even root me please help. ive been researching for 12 hours straight
THEindian said:
I was gonna get in earlier because i had this same issue but since jack and estallings were helping you, i didn't. Here is what you do.
-Go to the downgrade guide, download fr3vo
-Use the guide to achieve temp root, no need to downgrade android version or anything, just get temproot
-The above step should give you permaroot
-Get Rom Manager and flash clockwork
-There ya go
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ok thanks and all but after i flash clockwork recovery then what.... and if ur saying then flash the rooted rom i cant because it says you NEED perma root but all i have is s-off (through gfree method) ok ok so once i temproot it should give me perm root?
but if i have perm root what would i need to flash clockwork (what im saying is why would i need to flash a rooted 2.3.4 rom)
xXCyberSpiderXx said:
ok thanks and all but after i flash clockwork recovery then what.... and if ur saying then flash the rooted rom i cant because it says you NEED perma root but all i have is s-off (through gfree method) ok ok so once i temproot it should give me perm root?
but if i have perm root what would i need to flash clockwork (what im saying is why would i need to flash a rooted 2.3.4 rom)
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What i told you should give you permaroot.
OK so I just temp rooted on the downgrading page I followed all the steps to temp root I got temp root but no perm root help??
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