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devloper and hacker app of the year.. chat style sms... from the treo 750v

This app will be for all wm devices.
This is an ongoing project that is in need of some of you guys expertise. The rom of the treo 750v has been dumped and is in need of hacker and developers. The treo 750v has features that NO OTHER wm device does. Like the threaded sms messaging, which is sms in a chat style form.
http://www.palm.com/sg/products/smar...messaging.html is a little more about how it works and what it does.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279758 is a thread in the xda-treo forum, but I feel need to be here due to the fact that it will be for all wm devices and is in need of developers and hackers.
Attached is the rom dump.
Thanks, Cody

in many countries you pay pr. sms much more then you'd pay to send text over grps so for most ppl msn, skype or other IM clients would do the same thing only much cheaper

I am really not sure what the hype is about. Haven't used SMS in a long time a with 100MB data package, I have to agree with Rudegar even the built in MSN messenger is better.
Any way I thought you should know that what you posted is not a ROM dump and cannot be used to extract the app.

Interesting you say that. If you have kids sms messaging is almost a requirement. It is extremely popular with the younger generation. I find myself using it more and more. I have friends that send over 3k sms messages in a month. A threaded sms app sure makes it a much better experience.
The rom dump thread was moved by someone over to the treo section for those wondering where it went. The dump is on the ftp server.
ftp.xda-developers.com
userid: xdaupload pw: xda
file: treo750vrompartial_bcaslis.zip (dump of Part00, Part01 and Part02 partitions)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279758

I played with the rom dump yesterday. The messaging app does load, just seems to be missing some resources and/or registry entries that I'm not prepared to import right now (test machines all being used already).
It also appears to be fixed at 240x240, although that can probably be fixed later.
The rest of the rom - doesn't contain many intersting .exes, but I know hannip is interested in a number of the other devices and drivers installed. They don't appear to be device specific (c.f. many eten files are).
In the UK, data contracts are very expensive, and you get loads of SMS bundled in your contracts, so SMS makes sense. I don't IM from my phones. But both have their uses.
But I still can't see the fascination with threaded SMS. It'd be quite straight forward to program even if the treo app can't be sucked out.
V
PS Whoever dumped the roms to begin with, many thanks!
However, we may need to get an overview of the databases on the device as well, in case there are any custom databases. The speed dial plugin that has thus far been elusive relies on a call db. Either a device backup (using sprite etc) or a database dump would be useful to check. Just a guess, might lead to nothing.

Thanks vijay for all of your assistance! Good to hear that the sms app loads. I've been trying to get the a2dp dll's to work on my treo 700wx and 700w devices just to get my feet wet. Having some issues getting the dll's to load, but with your help I might figure this out yet.
The excitement for the 750 sms app over the other threaded sms apps out there is the clean integration with the os and today screen. I've tried other sms threader apps and they are buggy, don't grab messages when the pda is suspended, and leave copies of sms messages in poutlook. The one from triangle powers is a .net app and loads extremely slow because of it. It is expected that the palm written app will solve all of these problems. Plus it handles mms pictues, audio etc.

i dont say i dont use sms i just say i use sms as sms's as in short message service msg's
not as chat because i dont see the point of using it as chat
of cause if you dont pay pr. each sms
and want to chat with somebody who dont have msn it's usefull i guess
but another issue is the delay if that person is on a different network then you heard that compeating phone companys are not always too snappy to route to eachother

Rudegar said:
i dont say i dont use sms i just say i use sms as sms's as in short message service msg's
not as chat because i dont see the point of using it as chat
of cause if you dont pay pr. each sms
and want to chat with somebody who dont have msn it's usefull i guess
but another issue is the delay if that person is on a different network then you heard that compeating phone companys are not always too snappy to route to eachother
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Well, I'm someone who wants the SMS chat program badly.
Understand, it's not so much that you use like an IM program, you don't.
This is just a method by which to organize your SMS conversations e.g. say you and your friend over the day send back and forth to each other 20 messages, all releated to the same thing. Now throw in 15 more random SMS from other peopel in the same day. Your inbox would be a mismash of 20 something messages (assuming you don't delete every single one, maybe there is important info you need).
This program would "group" your SMS into a single "chat style thread", like and IM history would. You can then just delete the entire thread at once when you are done with it. It's also nice to keep that previous information handy, especially if your discussing plans, information, phone numbers etc. You just scroll up to find it again.
If you're a heavy texter, this is a great way to organize your back-and-forth conversations. It's not an IM replacment, so don't think of it as that.

In my case I use it as a compliment to AIM. I have AIM forwarding all of my IM's to my cell phone when I am away. That way my friends and family can msgs me anytime anywhere. My phone/pda can remain in suspend mode conserving the battery and I still get my IM's. I can reply to them just like an IM session. No need for the AIM client on my phone.
The best thing about using sms over an IM client is that you can communicate with anyone that has a cell phone. You don't have to tell someone to register with an IM server to send them messages. It works in suspend mode. With a nice sms chat app the only advantage an IM client has over it is the messages are more instantaneous. But for phone use that is acceptable imo.
Of course this all assumes you don't have to pay on a per sms basis.

Hi! theloanranger said he extracted the 750v threaded app already. It's at:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1035112&posted=1#post1035112
Can somebody try it and post the screenshots please? I'm so looking forward to using it with my Pocket Loox T830 (not arrived yet)

Screenshots/Need some help!
Screenshots are found here:
http://discussion.treocentral.com/showpost.php?p=1106882&postcount=15
NOTE: Some of us are having issues. We CANNOT send an SMS to an email address. We get an error message:
"Could not send message. The message center number or the email center number is invalid. Please contact the wireless operator."
Now, in the SMS app, if you go to Menu --> Options --> Advanced tab
Network Configuration/Manual/Edit...
You'll see spots for "message center number" and "email center number" and both are blank. When you put in a number (such as found here: http://www.smsfre.com/SMS-Mesaging-Centers.htm ) they do not stick after hitting "OK".
Any help/ideas?

Text Messaging Over Internet

I have unlimited internet for my HTC Vogue, but no free text messaging. Does anyone know of a program that lets you send text messages over the internet instead of as a text message? I know there are websites that do this, but they're kinda annoying to use. I'm on Bell too if thats important.

Buy a $5 text messaging package But seriously it’s probably going to be a bigger pain to jump through those kinds of hoops then it’s worth. What if someone text messages you? It will come in as a regular text message, it will not get routed through the Internet even if you send your original txt through some website or via some special software.
I use OctroTalk as my XMPP client (jabber/Google Talk) to get connected to Google Talk.

You can use AIM. I'm not sure if it sends SMS to out of the US though, but if they are in the US just do +1(number)

It may be possible, but I haven't seen this. SMS is huge these days, so I'm sure carriers try to prevent this from happening since they probably make a good deal of money with these text packages.
I do know however, that when I used to use the VZAccess Manager to tether my phone, I could sends SMS. I didn't have a text plan, since it was just a USB modem, turns out the text would take away from my allowed data usage of 5GB. I kept asking the rep how it was possible, but of course she had no idea.
Either way, just spend the small amount of money for the text, I'm sure you get a bunch for about $5.

TheChampJT said:
SMS is huge these days
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SMS is really very useful. It’s like IM everywhere all the time. The new ROM from Bell Mobility for the Vogue has threaded SMS which makes it just like having an IM app.
I also have various RAID arrays and environmental monitors (temp, humidity, etc) in server rooms across the GTA that will SMS me when something goes wrong. It’s such a great way for me to add value to the services I offer my customers. I can walk in their front door because something is wrong before they even know there is a problem.
The Fish

Text messaging over the Internet is trivial. All you have to do is send an email to the carrier's EMAIL/SMS gateway. The tricky thing of course is that you need to know the carrier of the recipient and the carrier's gateway. There are lists of these things on the Internet. For example, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_gateway
Just a few are:
Verizon: [email protected]
Sprint: [email protected]
Tmobile: [email protected]
AT&T/Cingular: [email protected]
Using any decent email client to send the email. Limit the entire text to 160 characters. The other issue is what you put down as a reply address, your email address or your phone's address (which is just like that listed above). That would depend on whether you *really* don't want to RECEIVE replies by SMS either.
If you don't know the recipient's carrier, you can try the service TELEFLIP.COM. Send the textmsg email to:
[email protected]
and it will figure out the carrier for you. It mostly works, but isn't 100%.
Oh, and there are also analogous carrier email gateways for MMS (picture msgs). They are also listed in the link above. For example, for Sprint, send the email with the pic attached to:
[email protected]

awesome, thanks.
that's exactly what I was hoping for.
I know it's only $5, but I'm pretty cheap

Mass/group texting

I do a lot of mass texting, and because you're only allowed to text 10 people per text I had to download a 3rd party app called group "group sms". So I sent all the texts out (about 140) and it says they all were successfully sent with 0 failed. Unfortunately some of the people that I have sent the text to say they never received it.
Has anyone run into this problem? Any suggestions? I've already uninstalled and reinstalled the app.
Thanks

I THINK Handcent(sp?) allows mass texting. Please don't quote me on this as I don't use it. My buddy owned a sports bar and used to send out mass text on UFC nights for promo and he never mentioned having to do 10 at a time which would have been horridly time consuming.

blizzard1017 said:
I THINK Handcent(sp?) allows mass texting. Please don't quote me on this as I don't use it. My buddy owned a sports bar and used to send out mass text on UFC nights for promo and he never mentioned having to do 10 at a time which would have been horridly time consuming.
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Hancent does have group texting within itself.
I personally use and app called group text. I have encountered people saying that they did not receive a text from me but I just assumed it was on their end because the majority of people received it.

I use Group SMS and I have this same problem a lot! I prefer Group SMS because it actually appears as different chat strings within your SMS program. For some reason not every one seems to get the text though. I may have to go away from Group SMS if this is the case. My current SMS program is Chomp SMS which I like for texting but it sends group texts out as one big text and doesn't allow macro usage the same way Group SMS does.
Bottom line, if you're just looking to send out a few group texts with more than 10 recipients but don't want to change your sms program, I'd put handcent or chomp on your phone and just not set it as the default texting app, but use it to send out messages to your groups. Both Handcent and Chomp allow you to send to groups created in contacts.google as well (without selecting each contact individually like the native app).
Hope this helps,
Brian

I'm not sure how helpful this will be but with in gmail there is a utility from which you can send out mass text's or mass emails you have to set it up using specific servers for sprint, at&t, verizon and t-mobile. This is really only useful if you have a set list of people you want to send out texts to a list that doesnt frequently change. I apologize for not having more information as i very rarely use this feature. But it might be worth y'all taking a look.

[Q] Google Voice, No MMS or Emoji problem

Just found out that GV does not do MMS AND does not decode emoji (receiving and sending)
After using it for a YEAR!
My girlfriend has been sending me mms pictures with her iPhone (yeah we've all been there having a girlfriend with an iPhone is quite the pain)
but i have not been able to receive any of them. (yes I really want those naked pictures haha )
On top of that, GVoice also does not decode emoji's or send them out (yep you guessed why i need it for)
When i receive emoji texts, it shows up as "\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd" on browser and it shows up as ? ? ? on the phone.
I just switched to the Nexus 4, Jelly Bean 4.2.1. So I am not satisfied when I have such a superior phone but unable to do simple functions like that.
Been toying around the whole day trying to get emoji to work, only to find out that if I was texted to my regular number, everything works fine, but if I was texted in GVoice number, the emojis disappear.
Does anyone have a workaround?
If possible, I don't want to switch to my regular number.

That's not really a nexus 4 issue, but more of the googlevoice application itself. I actually have been able to receive some mms (it sends it as an attachment to my gmail). Also I've had certain emoji and foreign characters work for me, which didn't work a few months ago. I can only guess googlevoice will slowly implement more features into their app.
I have v.4.2.54 of googlevoice if that helps. :fingers-crossed:

it never has done either of these. For the MMS part I don't think they have ever announced support

CoCoGirl886 said:
That's not really a nexus 4 issue, but more of the googlevoice application itself. I actually have been able to receive some mms (it sends it as an attachment to my gmail). Also I've had certain emoji and foreign characters work for me, which didn't work a few months ago. I can only guess googlevoice will slowly implement more features into their app.
I have v.4.2.54 of googlevoice if that helps. :fingers-crossed:
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I realized it isn't a Nexus 4 issue, but I did mention that I have a superior phone which is Nexus 4 and not being able to do simple tasks such as this is unacceptable!
I've also had certain emojis appear but with Jelly Bean 4.2.1, emoji should be fully supported by now.
As for mms, I read that if Sprint users(or if you're a Sprint user yourself) send you mms through GVoice, it will forward it to your email. Which is the smart thing to do and it SHOULD be that way.
Other cases I've heard happening are random hit and miss results from other carriers.
I'm using v 0.4.2.72

Ohh, I actually didn't know mms from only Sprint users work. But now it makes sense why I am only able to get it from certain people, so thanks for the info!
In the past I've tried setting texts to auto forward to gmail and tested out mms during that time and it didn't work. I haven't tried recently though. Until Google officially supports it, I just use other alternatives for mms like whatsapp :/.

Ryuuga said:
I realized it isn't a Nexus 4 issue, but I did mention that I have a superior phone which is Nexus 4 and not being able to do simple tasks such as this is unacceptable!
I've also had certain emojis appear but with Jelly Bean 4.2.1, emoji should be fully supported by now.
As for mms, I read that if Sprint users(or if you're a Sprint user yourself) send you mms through GVoice, it will forward it to your email. Which is the smart thing to do and it SHOULD be that way.
Other cases I've heard happening are random hit and miss results from other carriers.
I'm using v 0.4.2.72
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As mentioned, regardless of your phone being "superior," The limitations of MMS through Google Voice is not Because of the phone, but due to the limitations placed on Google Voice. Google Voice being a free service (for now at least) there is not reason for Google to use the extra server space to hold Picture data until you choose to download it. Just as your normal carrier, picture/data attached to MMS are stored on thier servers until you retrieve it (open the MMS and download).. There might be a possibility that MMS comes to Google Voice, but more than likely to only paid users. So until then, if you want those "naked pictures" you can either take them yourself, or have her email them.
As for your Emoji.. They are supported in Jelly Bean, you just have to enable them...
Settings>Language & Input> Check the box next to iWinn IME (Emoji Input)
Then when you click on a Input Box, in your notification bar and Keyboard Icon will appear. Open the Notifcation bar, click the "Choose input method" and Select Emoji Input.
If that is to many steps for you, then you can open Settings>Language & Input>Android keyboard settings>Add-on dictionaries.
Then install the "Emoji for English words" dictionary.
Then when you are typing you will get the option to insert a Emoji from the Auto-corrent bar.
Type "Smile" and a Smiley Face ☺ will appear
Type "Star" and a Star ★ will appear
More Emoji options: http://pastebin.com/UhsFze0u
Note: Note all phones will support these, so don't be surprised if you send a emoji to someone and they are wtf is that suppose to be because they see "3wsdfsa3" instead of the emoji. And IMO Emoji are childish, just type wtf you want to say instead of using a picture to do it. Guess it would make since if you were texting a 2 yr old that could only read picture books

@UberSlackr
I understand G Voice isn't a paid service and this doesn't do MMS by itself. But they could've done what they offering to Sprint users now which is by emailing you the photo to your gmail.
As for emoji, I know how to and already have enabled it in JB (as described in my earlier post) My problem is that G Voice does not decode emoji when I receive them and it doesn't show when I send them out.
The main reason I use G Voice is the convenience of logging all my texts and occasionally when flashing a new ROM goes wrong, I can still send texts through web browser.
Sent from my Nexus 4 device from the future

Ryuuga said:
@UberSlackr
I understand G Voice isn't a paid service and this doesn't do MMS by itself. But they could've done what they offering to Sprint users now which is by emailing you the photo to your gmail.
As for emoji, I know how to and already have enabled it in JB (as described in my earlier post) My problem is that G Voice does not decode emoji when I receive them and it doesn't show when I send them out.
The main reason I use G Voice is the convenience of logging all my texts and occasionally when flashing a new ROM goes wrong, I can still send texts through web browser.
Sent from my Nexus 4 device from the future
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1. No where in this thread do you mention enabling Emoji support.
2. You continue (through out the whole thread) to blame the lack of Emoji & MMS on the Nexus 4 or Jelly Bean.
Your problem is with Google Voice, in all cases. So you better off posting a thread in the Google Support Forums and not the Nexus 4 of XDA​3. Google has an Agreement with Sprint to allow MMS. This is due to being able to "port" your Sprint number to Google Voice, their for there has to be a way to have MMS since Google Voice becomes the Primary number/feature.
4. iPhone has the ability to send image to email (attachments) through the email app. Have her send it directly to your email.
I understand your need/want to use Google Voice. I also use Google Voice, so that I can text from the same number on my N7 as well as my N4. But you will have to find alternative methods of achieving your MMS / Emoji needs.
Don't Flash so many ROMS and you wont risk loosing Messages or need to text from the computer.
Have MMS sent to the Primary number of the phone, then back up the pictures to google drive.
Install a SMS/MMS Backup app, and run it before flashing a new ROM. Then restore the backup.
As for an Alternative to Emoji in GoogleVoice, I can not think of any, and I'm pretty sure this is not even a concern of googles to implement into the service. Thankfully

Ryuuga said:
Just found out that GV does not do MMS AND does not decode emoji (receiving and sending)
After using it for a YEAR!
My girlfriend has been sending me mms pictures with her iPhone (yeah we've all been there having a girlfriend with an iPhone is quite the pain)
but i have not been able to receive any of them. (yes I really want those naked pictures haha )
On top of that, GVoice also does not decode emoji's or send them out (yep you guessed why i need it for)
When i receive emoji texts, it shows up as "\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd" on browser and it shows up as ? ? ? on the phone.
I just switched to the Nexus 4, Jelly Bean 4.2.1. So I am not satisfied when I have such a superior phone but unable to do simple functions like that.
Been toying around the whole day trying to get emoji to work, only to find out that if I was texted to my regular number, everything works fine, but if I was texted in GVoice number, the emojis disappear.
Does anyone have a workaround?
If possible, I don't want to switch to my regular number.
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The google voice app does not decode emoji, but the service does support it. If you change the settings in the app to receive the messages in the messaging app instead of the google voice app emoji will work. To change the setting in the google voice app go to Menu>Settings>Sync and notifications>Receive text messages(then select via the messaging app)
Edit: It seems like some enojis work but others don't

I've been a long time user of GVoice and actually just recently found out or never cared that it has the option to receive texts. I have tried numerous times and can not get it to work. I've changed to receive text messages via GVoice but it has never worked for me. Am I missing something?
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda premium

Sorry to bump an old thread but just to let people know the latest version of my app Send It Pro now integrates Google Voice support meaning you can now send any file on your Nexus 4 (just got mine and loving it) to anyone from your Google Voice number. And due to the nature of how it works it doesn't suffer any of the incompatibility issues MMS has.
Doesn't resolve the issue receiving but allow you to send files directly from your G-Voice number is halfway there

Emoji (partial support)
If you turn on the emoji android keyboard (not on by default but available in JB) you can see emojis that are common between iPhone emoji and Android emoji (they are in black and white on android but it works).
Google voice only seems to support recognition for these emojis (so far I have only seen a heart and a lightning bolt from my iPhone friends) so even on my mac while they show up in color and normal, it is only for common emojis (imagine the same effect could be achieved on the phone with a custom emoji keyboard).
I just wanted to share this because while I don't care too much about emoji the emoji keyboard is not enabled on android by default.

Concatenated SMS

Hello,
I really like my G4 Play (Amazon edition) phone with one exception. I only receive a portion of Concatenated (greater than 160 characters) SMS messages that are sent from T-mobile Iphones to my phone (also on T-mobile). I will get some, but not all. I have used my SIM in other android phones and have another T-mobile SIM in my phone and I get the same issue. From iphones from other carriers I have no problems. From Androids on T-mobile, I also have no problems. I have no problem receiving single SMS messages nor MMS messages. I have contacted T-mobile and they have been no help. I have changed some APN settings, but with no success.
I have also restored my phone to factory settings and have tried Textra also. No changes.
My question: Has anyone had any issues with concatenated SMS messages?
I am thinking about getting a replacement phone, but don't want to if this happens on a replacement phone or if there is a known fix.
Thanks.

What sms did you recieve???

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What sms did you recieve???
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I appreciate the response, but I'm not sure I understand your question.
I receive properly all SMS that are < 160 characters.
For SMS messages that are > 160 characters:
1) I will sometimes receive these and sometimes not receive these when they are from an iphone on the T-mobile network (I am also on the T-mobile network)
2) I will receive all of the the >160 SMS if:
a) they are on any other network regardless of the type of phone
b) they are on an android and on the T-mobile network​
Did that answer your question?

160+ character text messages are sent as mms. try sending/receiving a picture and see what happens.

hp420 said:
160+ character text messages are sent as mms. try sending/receiving a picture and see what happens.
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MMS messages work just fine. When my wife puts in a subject field, the long messages are turned into a MMS and always get to me.
For long SMS info see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concatenated_SMS

wrusry said:
MMS messages work just fine. When my wife puts in a subject field, the long messages are turned into a MMS and always get to me.
For long SMS info see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concatenated_SMS
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I have worked with T-mobile and Moto with no luck. Moto sent me a new phone (Amazon version of XT1607). I still have the same issue with not receiving long SMS messages (>160 characters) from iphones on T-mobile. These long SMS messages are concatenated SMS messages and are not MMS messages.
I'm sure that there is another Amazon G4 play person who is on Tmobile and has a Tmobile friend who can send them 5 long SMS messages to see how many get through to him/her. Can someone please try this? I have tried other SIM cards in it from my family and the same thing happens. It would be nice to see if someone else has the same issue!
I don't know what I can do but wait for the Nougat release in June. If I had know this would be an issue I wouldn't have bought the Amazon version and I could have installed another ROM.