So those haters saying 25,000 Xooms were sold were WRONG
Motorola released earnings today...
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/28/mot...xoom-tablets-shipped-increase-in-net-revenue/
Glad to see the analysts were wrong. If Moto shaves a little off the price is think they'll fly off the shelves.
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ya, 450-500 would really compete with the transformer, esp when all the people get to best buy and see its sold out
DroidHam said:
So those haters saying 25,000 Xooms were sold were WRONG
Motorola released earnings today...
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/28/mot...xoom-tablets-shipped-increase-in-net-revenue/
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Actually you are wrong. They shipped 250,000, they did not sell 250,000.
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Actually you are wrong. They shipped 250,000, they did not sell 250,000.
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Actually, that's money in their pocket, they sold 250k. Verizon and brick and mortars are the ones who haven't sold 250k.
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Actually you are wrong. They shipped 250,000, they did not sell 250,000.
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You don't quite understand the concept as it applied to a public company releasing quarterly results. Why are you so intent on pooping on these threads? Does it piss you off so much that xoom sales weren't as bad as the apple slavelords demanded you to believe?
Glad to see the numbers reflect reality. The wifi xoom is sold out in retail stores here in st. Louis. Had to order it online
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seriously, shipped or sold, every store in Montréal has sold all xooms and accessories since day one...
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You don't quite understand the concept as it applied to a public company releasing quarterly results. Why are you so intent on pooping on these threads? Does it piss you off so much that xoom sales weren't as bad as the apple slavelords demanded you to believe?
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I don't think you need to have an "apple slavelord" to see that the article that the OP linked to says in the TITLE that:
"Motorola Reports 250,000 XOOM Tablets Shipped"
and then the OP creates a thread that says:
"250,000 Xooms sold, NOT 25,000
So those haters saying 25,000 Xooms were sold were WRONG"
Its called reading comprehension. And yes there is a major difference between shipped and sold. If Motorola SOLD 250k tablets, then there would be significantly more in stores ready to be sold and various retailers would have to adjust their purchase orders from Motorola to compensate for that demand. If they SHIPPED 250k tablets, stores might have only sold 100k meaning that future orders for new Xoom's from Motorola will be slower as retailers have overstocked the item and can shift inventory from one location to another to compensate. That is why there are two separate words and they are not interchangeable.
Also, the entire point of this thread and especially dumb comments like yours, is to prove that the Xoom is popular among consumers. This article does nothing to help prove that point, as it gives ZERO sales figures. Who cares if Motorola shipped 5 million Xooms if consumers only bought 50 of them. I don't really understand why you would even want to bring up an issue like this as you will never "win" against Apple and the entire conversation is stupid to begin with. Who cares how popular your device is among consumers?
I have no doubts that Xoom sales are good, but they are right. They shipped 250,000 units, that doesn't mean that 250,000 were sold to consumers--which is the important number to note.
Again, no doubts that Xoom sales are great, but jumping on a guy who is just pointing out a fact, calling him an Apple fanboy, etc, really not necessary.
Random comment to help re-leave the tension: Tomorrow's sales are yesterday's sales today.
To be honest, why do we care how many sell? It's not like Motorola will stop supporting the
Xoom if nobdoy buys more. Still it's nice to know they had some sort of confidence in this device.
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To be honest, why do we care how many sell? It's not like Motorola will stop supporting the
Xoom if nobdoy buys more. Still it's nice to know they had some sort of confidence in this device.
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People like to justify their Xoom purchase. They wanna prove its selling well and that their purchase was good. They wanna know that everything's gonna be okay with their Xoom, so they're going to want to prove that other people are buying it too.
muyoso said:
I don't think you need to have an "apple slavelord" to see that the article that the OP linked to says in the TITLE that:
"Motorola Reports 250,000 XOOM Tablets Shipped"
and then the OP creates a thread that says:
"250,000 Xooms sold, NOT 25,000
So those haters saying 25,000 Xooms were sold were WRONG"
Its called reading comprehension. And yes there is a major difference between shipped and sold. If Motorola SOLD 250k tablets, then there would be significantly more in stores ready to be sold and various retailers would have to adjust their purchase orders from Motorola to compensate for that demand. If they SHIPPED 250k tablets, stores might have only sold 100k meaning that future orders for new Xoom's from Motorola will be slower as retailers have overstocked the item and can shift inventory from one location to another to compensate. That is why there are two separate words and they are not interchangeable.
Also, the entire point of this thread and especially dumb comments like yours, is to prove that the Xoom is popular among consumers. This article does nothing to help prove that point, as it gives ZERO sales figures. Who cares if Motorola shipped 5 million Xooms if consumers only bought 50 of them. I don't really understand why you would even want to bring up an issue like this as you will never "win" against Apple and the entire conversation is stupid to begin with. Who cares how popular your device is among consumers?
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They technically are sales figures for motorola, but they are not sales figures for verizon, costco, and any of the other countless retailers out there. At no point did the person you respond to say anything about apple, all he said were that people claiming only 25k had been sold were inaccurate, and he is right. This does in fact prove that the xoom has sold better than expected because those retailers don't keep that many units sitting in storage, and they certainly wouldn't keep ordering the tablet if it wasn't selling. I know for a fact that the tablet was fairly popular simply because they sold out in all the retail locations near me. I had to drive nearly an hour and half away just to find a best buy that had them in stock. This was the second week the xoom was out. Anyway you can get all bent out of shape if you want but the xoom was not as big as a flop as you seem to want it to be.
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Motorola ships 250k to vendors = sales for Motorola, no?
The link was regarding Motorola's sales, which were 250,000. "Shipping them to vendors" is the same as selling them.
I never once talked about how many best buy, walmart, or any other store sold.
I said they shipped 250k, which means they sold 250k.
Did I miss something here? Why is this hard to comprehend?
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Motorola ships 250k to vendors = sales for Motorola, no?
The link was regarding Motorola's sales, which were 250,000. "Shipping them to vendors" is the same as selling them.
I never once talked about how many best buy, walmart, or any other store sold.
I said they shipped 250k, which means they sold 250k.
Did I miss something here? Why is this hard to comprehend?
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Some people just don't understand how a supply chain works, especially a J.I.T. one (typically what the US has is J.I.T.)
JIT = Just In Time. Most if not all any more, Major Retailers work off Just In Time, meaning the only stock they truly carry in store is what is sitting on the shelves, or what is soon to be on the shelves. This also means a stores warehouses, are nothing more than emptying Tucks A, B, C and D's contents into trucks E,F,G, and H. There is no physical inventory of anything, it is almost literally straight from manufacturer to sales floor.
JIT does several things:
1) In the event of an issue with a product (recall), the retailer has a very limited inventory to rope in.
2) Reduces Cost
3) Reduces storage space (See #2)
4) Reduces the volume a store actually purchases at one time (Again see #2, less items in the clearance bin) This also makes their financial figures looks a ton better due to the lower over head.
Motorola doesn't front the product to the retailers and say "Hey, pay me when you sell all these" - no, they have to recoup production cost - which means they probably have a net15-net30 contract with most retailers (meaning, 15-30 days to pay or your cut off the supply flow) regardless of how many units the retailer actually sold.
Now it is true that we don't know how many of these are in the hands of customers actually being used. Only Big G and Moto probably have any clue about that number. I would venture to guess, because retail stores don't keep "Stock" piled in the back - most of them are in the hands of customers.
I work at a retailer and that is generally correct. You only want enough stock to get you through until the next shipment, ideally. There are times you load up, when demand is expected to be high and the manufacturer has had issues keeping the supply chan full-looks at nintendo.
You certainly don't want to have a lot of an unpopular product so when sales are unknown you go conservative. Our you end up like the nintendo 3ds in the us. It should have sold well, did not and now you have a crap ton of these things you can't give away.
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Our you end up like the nintendo 3ds in the us. It should have sold well, did not and now you have a crap ton of these things you can't give away.
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I would take one for 1/4 the price....#justSayin
Silly Nintendo
muyoso said:
I don't think you need to have an "apple slavelord" to see that the article that the OP linked to says in the TITLE that:
"Motorola Reports 250,000 XOOM Tablets Shipped"
and then the OP creates a thread that says:
"250,000 Xooms sold, NOT 25,000
So those haters saying 25,000 Xooms were sold were WRONG"
Its called reading comprehension. And yes there is a major difference between shipped and sold. If Motorola SOLD 250k tablets, then there would be significantly more in stores ready to be sold and various retailers would have to adjust their purchase orders from Motorola to compensate for that demand. If they SHIPPED 250k tablets, stores might have only sold 100k meaning that future orders for new Xoom's from Motorola will be slower as retailers have overstocked the item and can shift inventory from one location to another to compensate. That is why there are two separate words and they are not interchangeable.
Also, the entire point of this thread and especially dumb comments like yours, is to prove that the Xoom is popular among consumers. This article does nothing to help prove that point, as it gives ZERO sales figures. Who cares if Motorola shipped 5 million Xooms if consumers only bought 50 of them. I don't really understand why you would even want to bring up an issue like this as you will never "win" against Apple and the entire conversation is stupid to begin with. Who cares how popular your device is among consumers?
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Actually, to add a bit of circumstantial evidence, which I'm aware doesn't mean much, there are a lot of people that know what the Xoom is. I have my Xoom with me at all times, it's my data device, I got rid of my Droid and moved to a dumbphone. Anyways, everywhere I go, people recognize instantly it's not an iPad and usually ask me if it's a Xoom. People are actually interested in it and I've had many chances to demonstrate it's capabilities to people. There's a lot of interest, even if it doesn't translate directly to sales yet. I feel like the attention I get with my Xoom is likened to the attention the early adopters of the iPad got.
Also, you've not addressed my previous post.
The problem is, he didn't just state it in this thread, he stated it in the thread I started before earnings were released.
And it isn't about reading comprehension. It is about understanding how a public company reports. Apple gets to say that they sold every i-whatever that was shipped to an app,e store because apple gets to control how an apple store reports what it is selling. Motorola does not get to control what best buy states, as they are separate companies. Best buy will not allow motorola to ship more xooms than best buy is able to sell unless best buy is able to ship back unsold inventory. Motorola is a tier one producer, and it will not enter into retail agreements that are contingent on mass adoption - they don't need to.
When motorola ships a product, it is a sale for motorola. When the entity motorola shipped to agreed to the shipment, it is because that entity has projected the entire inventory to be sold at some point in the very near future.
Motorola is precluded by FINRA from overstating sales figures in quarterly reports. Motorola cannot count shipped units as sold if the inventory shipped is not sold or accounted for as sold. If moto says shipped, consider it as sold. And while I doubt you will take my word as gospel, just know that my job in the real world depends upon my ability to understand what a company is saying in quarterly reports.
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Related
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ps-to-1199-99-but-it-costs-best-buy-just-550/
So this makes me think that the price will be significantly lower than $1200 or $800. If not at Best Buy, someone else who can deal with less than 40% margins will sell this thing in the $6-700 range.
F*** Best Buy and their either 45% or even more obscene 118% markups.
CNET fed Motorolas ego tremendously when they gave the Xoom best of CES award...
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CNET fed Motorolas ego tremendously when they gave the Xoom best of CES award...
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+1 Clearly it did...
They think they can place apple price point/margin(actually even more than apple!) without any track record to proove it... Its ridicules... They clearly want to gouge the first adopters, and a month later i can guarentee they will drop the price by 200$ (especially when ipad 2 is unveiled...)
Its a sad day that im considering and ipad 2 over xoom/other android 3.0 cause of PRICE.
$1,999 is a placeholder price.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/motorola-xoom-up-for-pre-order-at-best-buy-for-1-199/
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Update: We've heard rumblings that this is indeed just a place holder -- much like the way other companies price products they don't want to sell at ridiculous levels -- and the final price will indeed be the $800 we've heard most consistently to this point.
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Also, it isn't as if the Xoom will be the only quality Honeycomb device out there. If it cost too much for your taste, wait until cheaper 3.0 tablets arrive. Looking at the trend so far most Honeycomb tablets have almost the exact same specifications anyways.
Botero said:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ps-to-1199-99-but-it-costs-best-buy-just-550/
So this makes me think that the price will be significantly lower than $1200 or $800. If not at Best Buy, someone else who can deal with less than 40% margins will sell this thing in the $6-700 range.
F*** Best Buy and their either 45% or even more obscene 118% markups.
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That's crazy. When I worked at Best Buy a few years back, I found little (if any) markup on almost all laptops. Apparently they've decided that the Xoom is a different story.
I'd like to think that purchasing at a Verizon store will be a different story, but I'm sure there are all kinds of deals in place to keep prices uniform across the industry. It would probably be cheaper getting one shipped from Europe.
Oh well. I'm thinking the Galaxy 10.1 looks better than the Xoom anyway, so maybe I'll stick around to see how it turns out.
Xevilious said:
That's crazy. When I worked at Best Buy a few years back, I found little (if any) markup on almost all laptops. Apparently they've decided that the Xoom is a different story.
I'd like to think that purchasing at a Verizon store will be a different story, but I'm sure there are all kinds of deals in place to keep prices uniform across the industry. It would probably be cheaper getting one shipped from Europe.
Oh well. I'm thinking the Galaxy 10.1 looks better than the Xoom anyway, so maybe I'll stick around to see how it turns out.
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The Galaxy 10.1 doesn't seem to come with a Sd card slot or even Hdmi port...yikes !
Arun01 said:
The Galaxy 10.1 doesn't seem to come with a Sd card slot or even Hdmi port...yikes !
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I hear ya there, SD card slot is a must in my mind for a tablet.
Love the design of the Tab 10.1 though, the backing looks so ergonomic.
If the xoom is locked down to modding like most other motorola stuff, the sd card won't be that big of a draw.
The markup is nuts, hence why I think you may be able to talk bestbuy into doing it out the door for 800, with the mobile service (that you can cancel).
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Didn't motorola state the SD slot on the Xoom wont work until they patch it at a later date? or am i thinking of another CES tab?
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The Galaxy 10.1 doesn't seem to come with a Sd card slot or even Hdmi port...yikes !
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Oh... I didn't realize that. Lame. It's a shame, because the device has a nice look to it.
Xevilious said:
That's crazy. When I worked at Best Buy a few years back, I found little (if any) markup on almost all laptops. Apparently they've decided that the Xoom is a different story.
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BB is probably trying to make some margin on the first few suckers (oops, customers). Expect a big price drop in a few months like the Galaxy tab.
jerrykur said:
BB is probably trying to make some margin on the first few suckers (oops, customers). Expect a big price drop in a few months like the Galaxy tab.
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You do realize a tablet like this would be price controlled by Verizon correct? Verizon controls prices of phones, just like ATT, Sprint, and Apple do.
@Xevilious : little margin is still made on laptops
Yeah god forbid companies try and make a profit on the products they make or sell
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Yeah god forbid companies try and make a profit on the products they make or sell
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Sirchuk said:
If the xoom is locked down to modding like most other motorola stuff, the sd card won't be that big of a draw.
The markup is nuts, hence why I think you may be able to talk bestbuy into doing it out the door for 800, with the mobile service (that you can cancel).
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Since when did Best Buy negotiate prices on a product like this?
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Yeah god forbid companies try and make a profit on the products they make or sell
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I am all for companies making money. But I must say, knowing that the device cost BB 550$.. I am no longer okay with Verizon forcing me to buy unwanted 3g for a month cranking up the already high price an unnecessary, and frankly incredibly expensive 1GB of data.
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Since when did Best Buy negotiate prices on a product like this?
I am all for companies making money. But I must say, knowing that the device cost BB 550$.. I am no longer okay with Verizon forcing me to buy unwanted 3g for a month cranking up the already high price an unnecessary, and frankly incredibly expensive 1GB of data.
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well you have to take into consideration that BB is probably not going to make a killing on this product. If they were confident that they would sell a lot of Xooms, the price would be less. They would be able to make up for it in volume.
I agree about the mandatory Verizon data but from my understanding you have three days to cancel it and get your money back for that. I myself am going to keep the months worth of data...I've always been with AT&T and am curious about Verizon's service in my area.
setite said:
Since when did Best Buy negotiate prices on a product like this?
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You might be surprised what they will do if there is still profit to be made. You can negotiate on just about all big ticket items, especially at the end of the quarter when they want to increase revenue numbers. Never hurts to ask for something like 5 or 10 percent off. Worked for me on a digital camera I wanted and a stove. They took another $200 off my stove, even beat the internet prices I found.
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Old MuckenMire said:
well you have to take into consideration that BB is probably not going to make a killing on this product. If they were confident that they would sell a lot of Xooms, the price would be less. They would be able to make up for it in volume.
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As I said earlier pricing is controlled by Verizon
And that employee cost that you see, is not always the price that Best Buy pays for an item. Tablets that require internet activation are in an entire different realm of pricing structures (especially since this is a Verizon tablet).
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You might be surprised what they will do if there is still profit to be made. You can negotiate on just about all big ticket items, especially at the end of the quarter when they want to increase revenue numbers. Never hurts to ask for something like 5 or 10 percent off. Worked for me on a digital camera I wanted and a stove. They took another $200 off my stove, even beat the internet prices I found.
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Only way money is coming off the xoom is price matching verizon, which is going to be selling it at the same price
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As I said earlier pricing is controlled by Verizon
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trust me, BB gives it's opinion to Verizon on what it wants to sell any given item for in their store and Verizon takes that opinion into account when pricing. BB doesn't have to carry any given device.... and Verizon or any other carrier has to work with them on price(as well as many other aspects) if Verizon wants that device in store. You can be sure Verizon's pricing would be different if they anticipated BB would sell tons more of them than they will currently.
All I am saying is this: if this tab was going to sell like the iPad, the price would be less. Verizon nor BB have the luxury of making their profit thru volume with this device.
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trust me, BB gives it's opinion to Verizon on what it wants to sell any given item for in their store and Verizon takes that opinion into account when pricing. BB doesn't have to carry any given device.... and Verizon or any other carrier has to work with them on price(as well as many other aspects) if Verizon wants that device in store. You can be sure Verizon's pricing would be different if they anticipated BB would sell tons more of them than they will currently.
All I am saying is this: if this tab was going to sell like the iPad, the price would be less. Verizon nor BB have the luxury of making their profit thru volume with this device.
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I know Best buy gives its opinion, but at the end of the day, its out of my hand. There are certain things like I said, that are price controlled regardless of how much Best Buy buys the item from. I'm sure Verizon also wants best buy to sell tons of xooms. During this past holiday I saw more people sold on buying tablets than laptops, sure the initial price is high, relative to what you get, but I'm sure it will come down.
And for what its worth, even though people here are complaining about the high price, this device will be extremely popular.
That being said if I see anything more in best buys system I'll try and post/make note of it
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http://www.androidcentral.com/sams-club-apparently-prepping-wifi-only-version-xoom-homeycomb
No, your eyes do not deceive you. What you see here supposedly is a display at a Sam's Club trainer store (a faux store where they show real stores how it's done) with a Wifi-only Motorola Xoom. At least, that's what the display says. No telling when it might actually be coming, and considering the price tag shows it running Android 2.0 "Homeycomb" -- there's a Photoshop contest waiting to happen -- well, we'll just have to see, won't we.
As for the $539 price? We'd still like to see a sub-$500 listing, but it's certainly a little more in the ballpark.
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Lol if true. You know if this is the true price some motorola exec sat back and said:
Hey, the iPad costs 500 and the hdmi dongle is 39. Let's charge 539 for the xoom.
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Lol if true. You know if this is the true price some motorola exec sat back and said:
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Lol that would be awesome. Makes sense though. Whenever you buy an Apple product you gotta factor in the cost of the proprietary peripherals.
Since it would be $539 for the 32GB version, I'd say it's pretty good. I mean, certainly, even the average consumer can look at $499 for the 16GB iPad 2, $599 for the 32GB iPad 2, and $539 for the 32GB Xoom, and tell that the Xoom is the better deal, right?
Right? Come on, help restore my faith in the intelligence of the general population.
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Since it would be $539 for the 32GB version, I'd say it's pretty good. I mean, certainly, even the average consumer can look at $499 for the 16GB iPad 2, $599 for the 32GB iPad 2, and $539 for the 32GB Xoom, and tell that the Xoom is the better deal, right?
Right? Come on, help restore my faith in the intelligence of the general population.
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Yes, that is very true, ONLY if the consumer cares about storage. Many iPad users (no knock on them, but 95% are just average consumers) don't look at storage, JUST price. And because of that many will choose iPad at $499.
Now $539 is just a stone's throw away from $499 so they're effectively the same price, and you can justify the difference even not looking at storage just by using the device or liking what it offers.
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Yes, that is very true, ONLY if the consumer cares about storage. Many iPad users (no knock on them, but 95% are just average consumers) don't look at storage, JUST price. And because of that many will choose iPad at $499.
Now $539 is just a stone's throw away from $499 so they're effectively the same price, and you can justify the difference even not looking at storage just by using the device or liking what it offers.
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Yes, and I would agree that a $100 difference would make a someone think twice even about twice the storage, but not $40. Throw in the fact that storage can be expanded on the Xoom (I'm sure SD card support will be enabled by then), and assuming that Motorola actively markets that fact, then I think only the most ignorant person would choose the iPad 2 based at all on price.
Other factors, maybe and certainly in many cases. But not price.
I don't see "32GB" in any of the photos, I only see Android 2.0 Homeycomb. How did you know that's $539 is for the 32GB model?
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Yes, and I would agree that a $100 difference would make a someone think twice even about twice the storage, but not $40. Throw in the fact that storage can be expanded on the Xoom (I'm sure SD card support will be enabled by then), and assuming that Motorola actively markets that fact, then I think only the most ignorant person would choose the iPad 2 based at all on price.
Other factors, maybe and certainly in many cases. But not price.
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You are half right, most people will see $4xx and $5xx unless they are a bit tech savvy to check the specs or do a double take on the prices vs features. This $4.99 vs $5.00 marketing stratagy has been nightmare for your average consumer for at least 20 years. It is all in what people think they see and to most people the $40 difference (due to the overlap in hundreds) will appear at first glance to be a $100 difference.
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Lol if true. You know if this is the true price some motorola exec sat back and said
Hey, the iPad costs 500 and the hdmi dongle is 39. Let's charge 539 for the xoom.:
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Hahahahah good one. If this add is true and for 32Gb, sign me in...
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I don't see "32GB" in any of the photos, I only see Android 2.0 Homeycomb. How did you know that's $539 is for the 32GB model?
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It's an assumption based on the fact that the only versions that Motorola has discussed so far are the 32GB wifi-only version and the 32GB 3G/4G version. That, and Sam's Club will never sell for more than the MSRP, and I can't imagine Motorola would set an MSRP for a 16GB version, if it exists, at more than the iPad 2 since everything else is pretty much the same.
So, if Sam's Club is selling it for $539, then I'm assuming it's a 32GB version that has an MSRP of $599. That just fits Sam's Club pricing, pretty much.
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You are half right, most people will see $4xx and $5xx unless they are a bit tech savvy to check the specs or do a double take on the prices vs features. This $4.99 vs $5.00 marketing stratagy has been nightmare for your average consumer for at least 20 years. It is all in what people think they see and to most people the $40 difference (due to the overlap in hundreds) will appear at first glance to be a $100 difference.
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I'm just not sure. I mean, as long as Moto markets the heck out of the "twice the storage" part, then I think they'd be fine. But yeah, we'll see.
Called my sams club. said they don't have it.
WHen will this go on sale? pretty soon if they already have the price on the floor.
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Called my sams club. said they don't have it.
WHen will this go on sale? pretty soon if they already have the price on the floor.
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I think there's a bit of confusion here... As I understand it, this is a shot from a central "showcase" location that Sam's Club uses to stage products that are coming at some point in the future. So, the wifi-only version hasn't been released yet, and I'm guessing it won't be until April. My understanding (can't find the link) is that Verizon has a 60-day exclusive on the Xoom.
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I think there's a bit of confusion here... As I understand it, this is a shot from a central "showcase" location that Sam's Club uses to stage products that are coming at some point in the future. So, the wifi-only version hasn't been released yet, and I'm guessing it won't be until April. My understanding (can't find the link) is that Verizon has a 60-day exclusive on the Xoom.
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Yes this is correct. No actual Sam's Club locations are actually advertising this in stores and have stock.
Not sure about the Verizon exclusivity lasting 60 days. I don't think we'll be waiting a full 60 days (aka March 24th) to see the WiFi only model. I'm pretty sure Verizon did pull some kinda deal and Motorola played ball with them, but 60 days is just killing them if they wait that long. I don't think they can afford to wait that long and I'd be surprised if these kinda promotional materials would be coming out 50+ days early. We see these things a couple weeks before it comes out.
Whether Verizon is holding them back or not, we know the WiFi version (and GSM version) both exist and there is no manufacturing or physical reason why they wouldn't (swap radios, gg), and as soon as they can sell these things, they will. I just wish Motorola would grow a pair and not bend over for Verizon, or any other carrier for that matter.
So as hawk2k8 has posted about, the Motorola site doesn't have the 'Buy Now' on their website right now (at least temporarily) and the speculation goes... it could be a price change, out of stock, or revamping the listing to add Flash and 4G info. So let's play out the price change part of it for a little fun!
My thoughts are that it seems a bit odd that they have the 3G/4G price at $800 and will put out the wifi version a full $200 below. I just can't imagine a vendor having that large of a separation between the models. And yes, I know their rep said it would be around the $600-ish mark, not debating that, just saying its a big difference for having 3G/4G. It would be an even bigger difference if the wifi sold at $539 as that 'Android 2.0 Homeycomb' sign showed.
So, what IF! What if they dropped the price of 3G to $599. Then the wifi model at $539 wouldn't sound so odd. Then maybe they give the early adopter buyers a $100 rebate so the pain of buying early wasn't so bad. Those that bought from stores like Costco would likely return it if the window was large enough and the wifi version came out during their return window. But my guess is most will be in the 14-30 day window and not return it. Or maybe Motorola will not give a rebate and just say that you paid for the experience of the XOOM as an early adopter.. who knows..
So let's stir up some fun speculation. I said FUN! Let's hear it! What's your wild speculation if they did change the price?
I'm certainly no marketing expert but I know my friends that have Apple products and those that have Android products are pretty much different when it comes to technology. Apple, its like no thinking involved, you want a movie or song plug it in and iTunes does all the work. Xoom, not so easy. Motorola/Google/Android really need something that simple. Apple, you don't think about encoding settings, and for the masses thats great. With the Xoom, there is so much confusion with "experts" trying to decide how to encode a movie; I don't use mine for movies so I don't follow it closely.
To answer your question with my two cents, if they want to compete with the iconic iPad, a great device (I have one), they need to get an iTunes like program. If they don't have that they'll never appeal to the average consumer with this type of device and will be on the fringes of the tablet market. Motorola Media Link got pretty good reviews (I never tried it with my Droid or DX) and why this isn't ready for the Xoom, Jha should hang his head in shame.
If you're shopping in Best Buy for a tablet, the ipad 2 is $600, what would it take to even consider the Xoom? I think the Xoom would have to be at least $75 south of a similar spec'd ipad to get someone that wants a tablet to take a good look at it.
So to be sure I stem the potential... I don't want this be an ipad v. xoom controversy. As they say, let's keep it to the facts m'am. Just want to hear ideas about pricing speculation. =)
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I think Moto will stick to the original MSRP, at least for a while. Until April, the Xoom will still be the only HC tab in town.
Part of the high pricing is to establish brand position (i.e. Xoom "is a premium product") in consumers' mindset, and not so much about getting more money. Part of it is to protect the smartphone pricing model, given that Moto sell smartphones at ~$500 price point, and a tab is considered as "smartphone-plus", which should command $500+ pricing. If Moto/Samsung/HTC/et al sell tabs at the "laptop" pricing model, there would be considerable downward pressure on their present smartphone pricing.
For laptop vendors, eg Acer/MSI/et al, there is no such dilemma, and their HC tabs will start at around the $400 point. Asus and Dell have smartphone aspirations, and will stick with the "smartphone" pricing model.
The Apple iPad2 is the 800-lbs fly-in-the-ointment in all this. But in econ terms, the demand for either product (iPad2 or Xoom) is relatively price-inelastic, i.e. you aren't likely to buy either on the basis of pricing. Anyone who buys a Xoom at this point is an early adopter who wants to try Android's latest, and price isn't a significant factor. People who buys iPad are likely already partial to the iOS ecosystem, and at this point Apple's simply is more mature and user-friendly. So, while fodder for arguments, relative pricing is not a major factor.
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Normal users don't do video transcoding, period. For that, the Xoom can be made as simple as Apple's if that's desired. All that's needed is a suitable preset. That's what the early adopters are hashing out. The same occurred for the Apple iPad.
If sales are as bad as the rumors indicate, then I would make the following decisions if I was Motorola:
1. Start a heavy marketing campaign. HEAVY-Hire an advertising firm that will blast the information about the Xoom everywhere. Spend some freaking money.
2. Sell the 3G/4G model at a $599 price point for the 3G/4G, would draw some interest.
3. Sell the WIFI version for $479.00 This $539 price we have seen is a marketing failure. Nobody prices a product at $539. This is simply a dumb, dumb move. $499.00 should be the Max price for the WIFI version.
4. Offer immediate credit to anyone who purchased the Xoom previously. Rebate?
5. Get Verizon to dump the $35, re-activation fee. That is stupid.
6. You need to make a killing on the accessories, and you can't do that without your main product selling. Selling the 3G/4G at cost isn't a bad move, and it certainly wouldn't hurt Motorola. Your not losing money at cost, your just not making any money on your main product. However, you should be making money on the WIFI version.
So, has anybody verified yet if the $539 wifi Xoom at Sam's Club rumor was valid? There's nothing yet on their Web site, and my closest Sam's club is 30 miles away...
My local Sam's Club did not have it at all. And as you said, its not on their site yet.
Yeah, I called around and it's looking like only some selected stores will be carrying the Xoom, maybe the sames ones that are carrying the iPad. None of those are close to me, so I'll be off to Costco today to get my wifi-only (and then return the 3G version once I see that the wifi-only version is decent).
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So, has anybody verified yet if the $539 wifi Xoom at Sam's Club rumor was valid? There's nothing yet on their Web site, and my closest Sam's club is 30 miles away...
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As it has been said about 100 times, the picture was from a setup store. Its 589 at sams.
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As it has been said about 100 times, the picture was from a setup store. Its 589 at sams.
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Obviously, I hadn't seen it verified that the price at the setup store wouldn't make it into reality, and if that's been verified "100 times" since the wifi Xoom started selling this morning, I'd be amazed. Indeed, my question was about confirmation one way or another about whether or not that price would be the official price, which could only be settled today.
I also haven't seen the wifi Xoom at any Sam's Club stores, period, at any price. So, a good answer would have been, "It's available at some Sam's Clubs, but it's selling for $589." Incidentally, what stores have you seen it at? I called the three within an hour's drive of my house and they all said they won't be carrying it. Apparently, only certain stores might be carrying it (and they weren't sure), probably the limited number of stores that also carry the iPad.
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Obviously, I hadn't seen it verified that the price at the setup store wouldn't make it into reality, and if that's been verified "100 times" since the wifi Xoom started selling this morning, I'd be amazed. Indeed, my question was about confirmation one way or another about whether or not that price would be the official price, which could only be settled today.
I also haven't seen the wifi Xoom at any Sam's Club stores, period, at any price. So, a good answer would have been, "It's available at some Sam's Clubs, but it's selling for $589." Incidentally, what stores have you seen it at? I called the three within an hour's drive of my house and they all said they won't be carrying it. Apparently, only certain stores might be carrying it (and they weren't sure), probably the limited number of stores that also carry the iPad.
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It was covered on every major place that ran the $539 story that this was a mock store and a mockup potential price, and there was no real indication that any store would actually be selling this low or selling it at all with any widespread availability, especially considering Costco is only selling for $589.
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It was covered on every major place that ran the $539 story that this was a mock store and a mockup potential price, and there was no real indication that any store would actually be selling this low or selling it at all with any widespread availability, especially considering Costco is only selling for $589.
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Hence my freaking question... You know, to verify or debunk the rumor.
Damn, these forums are frustrating sometimes.
I went to my Sam's Club (Naperville, IL) and they don't even have a date for them to arrive in inventory. The local Costco however, had the big display with cardboard XOOMs with gel case for $589.
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Hence my freaking question... You know, to verify or debunk the rumor.
Damn, these forums are frustrating sometimes.
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Exactly what I was saying... No one has been able to confirm the price or availability. Not sure what else you want people to tell you. I was simply informing you that the first poster isn't incorrect, it really has been said a million times that this is a mockup price.
I don't think that meeting informative answers with snarkiness is getting you anywhere. If you've read up on any of the articles that this was reported in when it first came out (been a while now) you'll see that there really isn't any information on the Sam's Club price or release. The only response you're gonna get is this unless you contact a store and get a concrete answer.
I was waiting on Sam's myself but with Amazon being tax free and free shipping, it works out to almost the same as Sam's price+tax.
The Sam's Club in Kenosha WI did not have it either, nor could he tell me if and when to expect it. I wound up buying one at the BB up there since they offer 18 months same as cash, and sales tax is half of Illinois.
As some of you know i started a thread about possibly selling my OG for an infinity. I had someone who wanted to buy it off me for 250.
Well as i was reading through the infinity forums for product reviews i stumbled on a post about a guy that got best buy to honor a price match for random company called surefireshops.com for.... wait for it... 347.49! So i gave it a try and couldn't believe best buy actually did it!
So in the end , if you include the money i got from the guy who wanted my OG tablet, i got a brand new infinity with keyboard for a little over 260 dollars. If you are thinking about upgrading, DO IT! This tablet is amazing and for that price, seriously its a no brainer!
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Post a link to where you found how to do it or tell us more how you did it. Now I'm thinking of doing it myself
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The most dodgy site ive seen in a long time, to the point that its actually funny. If your willing to chuck $350 in the bin, maybe you should think about donating to our devs
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Well if you read my post, you would seei didnt actually buy the tablet from that website. I used the price match at best buy and they gave me the infinity at that price at their store. Plus i sold my OG so i actually paid 250, which you would know if you knew how to read.
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Well if you read my post, you would seei didnt actually buy the tablet from that website. I used the price match at best buy and they gave me the infinity at that price at their store. Plus i sold my OG so i actually paid 250, which you would know if you knew how to read.
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Apologies I did read, but misread, How this guy got best buy to honor a price from surefireshops.com is beyond me lol
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Post a link to where you found how to do it or tell us more how you did it. Now I'm thinking of doing it myself
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Hey whats up. Below is the the forum where i learned how to do it. Look at post #34 and on...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1830459&page=4
Its basically a price match. You show the best buy representative the site on your phone. I would try and do it on a day they are really busy.
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Apologies I did read, but misread, How this guy got best buy to honor a price from surefireshops.com is beyond me lol
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Lol no worries i was like "why is this guy ragging on me, im just trying to spread some awesome deals". Yea i was skeptical about it at first when i saw that the poster said it had worked. But once he provided a picture of his receipt with the price match details the flood gates opened and everyone started going to best buy. Honestly i would not be able to afford the infinity without the deal. Went from paying close to 700 to paying 260....Not bad
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Lol no worries i was like "why is this guy ragging on me, im just trying to spread some awesome deals". Yea i was skeptical about it at first when i saw that the poster said it had worked. But once he provided a picture of his receipt with the price match details the flood gates opened and everyone started going to best buy. Honestly i would not be able to afford the infinity without the deal. Went from paying close to 700 to paying 260....Not bad
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Great deal but let's be clear you paid 350 for the tab. The fact that you sold your used tf101 really doesn't come into the picture as far as the deal goes.
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Great deal but let's be clear you paid 350 for the tab. The fact that you sold your used tf101 really doesn't come into the picture as far as the deal goes.
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Well im writing to you on the TF101 forum. Which means, if im not mistaken, most of the users on here own a tf101. Im also posting of upgrading from a tf101 to the infinity. So im assuming that you will be selling your tf101 to help purchase the infinity. So technically everyone on here will pay roughly around the same amount if they use the same price match ans sell their OG transformer for a decent price.
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I'm surprised Best Buy would do that, since Best Buy does not match the prices of Internet-only retailers. nor do they match the website prices of their local retail competitors' stores.
Best Buy Puerto Rico stores have their own store price guarantee.
All other stores are not supposed to match internet-only retailers.
Whatever manager in that particular store approved that, he/she will most likely be fired.
They will most certainly take a huge hit to their bottom line if that particular store is doing it excessively.
No wonder Best Buy is in dire straits.
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I'm surprised Best Buy would do that, since Best Buy does not match the prices of Internet-only retailers. nor do they match the website prices of their local retail competitors' stores.
Best Buy Puerto Rico stores have their own store price guarantee.
All other stores are not supposed to match internet-only retailers.
Whatever manager in that particular store approved that, he/she will most likely be fired.
They will most certainly take a huge hit to their bottom line if that particular store is doing it excessively.
No wonder Best Buy is in dire straits.
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Probably not. Its up to the discretion of each individual manager at a particular best buy. If they feel that they will benefit from giving that particular customer the discount in order to keep their business and also not allow a competitor to have the sale, they will most likely do it. Also i dont know what best you shop at, but the ones where i live always price match online retailers.
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Probably not. Its up to the discretion of each individual manager at a particular best buy. If they feel that they will benefit from giving that particular customer the discount in order to keep their business and also not allow a competitor to have the sale, they will most likely do it. Also i dont know what best you shop at, but the ones where i live always price match online retailers.
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I was a retail manager for 10 years.
As far as hardware sales go, the profit margin is quite thin.
Selling the tablet at retail, there's a 5 to 6 % profit margin at best.
Retailers make their profit on extended warranties and accessories, not hardware sales.
If a consumer came in with such a price match, and is willing to purchase an extended warranty, i could possibly, although highly unlikely, see the sale going through.
True, the ultimate decision lies with the store manager, as long as the manager's decision is within Best Buy's price matching policy.
In this case, it is not.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Payment...ee/pcmcat204400050011.c?id=pcmcat204400050011
Does Best Buy match the prices of Internet retailers?
No. Best Buy does not match the prices of Internet-only retailers or the website prices of our local retail competitors' stores.
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Let me know if you find a clause in there where it states "matching Internet-only retailer's pricing is at a store manager's discretion".
Bottom line, the store manager in the Best Buy you frequent is not abiding by Best Buy's price matching policy.
Period.
Here's a scenario of discretionary decision-making by a Best Buy store manager, still within Best Buy's price matching policy:
Say you went to PC Richard and they had a one day sale on the tablet.
50 dollars less than your local Best Buy down the street.
The PC Richard store manager:
"Sorry sir, we are sold out. First come first serve. While quantities last.
Can i interest you in anything else? No? Ok, have a good day, sir"
So you walk down the street to your local Best Buy with your PC Richard Sunday ad, requesting a price match.
The store manager gets on the phone with one of the PC Richard's store managers.
After a brief conversation, he hangs up the phone and tells you:
"Sir, they are out of stock. I will not match this price."
You explain, with frustration and wild abandon to the manager:
"But, but, I shop here all the time, i'm a regular customer, please i don't have enough money", and blah, blah, blah.
Then the store manager, at his discretion, decides to price match PC Richard's price to hold on to you as a regular customer.
Although the store is not making its 5 to 6 % profit, it is still making a small profit, and retains you as a loyal customer, and the store manager is following the price matching policy.
Anyone who would give a product away at that price, not make a profit, without a thorough investigation of legitimacy and availability of the product at the online retailer, is a blithering idiot, and in the long run, will either be written up, suspended, demoted or lose their job when the store's P & L statement is reviewed by Best Buy Corporate.
I don't know what Best buy you shop at either, but I shop at Best Buy in Manhattan, and i'm a Premier Silver member.
If i brought in that particular price match, i would be laughed at, and rightfully so.
As far as i know, most businesses are in business to make money, not lose it.
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I was a retail manager for 10 years.
As far as hardware sales go, the profit margin is quite thin.
Selling the tablet at retail, there's a 5 to 6 % profit margin at best.
Retailers make their profit on extended warranties and accessories, not hardware sales.
If a consumer came in with such a price match, and is willing to purchase an extended warranty, i could possibly, although highly unlikely, see the sale going through.
True, the ultimate decision lies with the store manager, as long as the manager's decision is within Best Buy's price matching policy.
In this case, it is not.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Payment...ee/pcmcat204400050011.c?id=pcmcat204400050011
Let me know if you find a clause in there where it states "matching Internet-only retailer's pricing is at a store manager's discretion".
Bottom line, the store manager in the Best Buy you frequent is not abiding by Best Buy's price matching policy.
Period.
Here's a scenario of discretionary decision-making by a Best Buy store manager, still within Best Buy's price matching policy:
Say you went to PC Richard and they had a one day sale on the tablet.
50 dollars less than your local Best Buy down the street.
The PC Richard store manager:
"Sorry sir, we are sold out. First come first serve. While quantities last.
Can i interest you in anything else? No? Ok, have a good day, sir"
So you walk down the street to your local Best Buy with your PC Richard Sunday ad, requesting a price match.
The store manager gets on the phone with one of the PC Richard's store managers.
After a brief conversation, he hangs up the phone and tells you:
"Sir, they are out of stock. I will not match this price."
You explain, with frustration and wild abandon to the manager:
"But, but, I shop here all the time, i'm a regular customer, please i don't have enough money", and blah, blah, blah.
Then the store manager, at his discretion, decides to price match PC Richard's price to hold on to you as a regular customer.
Although the store is not making it's 5 to 6 % profit, it is still making a small profit, and retains you as a loyal customer, and the store manager is following the price matching policy.
Anyone who would give a product away at that price, not make a profit, without a thorough investigation of legitimacy and availability of the product at the online retailer, is a blithering idiot, and in the long run, will either be written up, suspended, demoted or lose their job when the store's P & L statement is reviewed by Best Buy Corporate.
I don't know what Best buy you shop at either, but I shop at Best Buy in Manhattan, and i'm a Premier Silver member.
If i brought in that particular price match, i would be laughed at, and rightfully so.
As far as i know, most businesses are in business to make money, not lose it.
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Lol no one is holding a gun to your head and saying go do a price match. Im simply stating that it work at my best buy and ALL the other best buys other users on that forum went too. Just saying.... your kind of ranting lol. I dont care that best buy loses a lil money on me, they make a ton of money as separate company... So breath and relax
{edit} Oh and by the way, i shop at best buy in Manhattan as well. I live in miami but i am actually from the bronx new york. Down here for school. I have price matched at best buys in Miami, Manhattan and Orlando using online retailers....so yea whats your point
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pierrekid said:
your kind of ranting lol.
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I'm not ranting, i'm retorting.
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I dont care that best buy loses a lil money on me, they make a ton of money as separate company.
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Best Buy isn't making a ton of money. They are losing billions. Their 2Q profit dropped 90% and their stock tumbled to a 9 year low.
Best Buy lost $1.7 billion/$4.89 per share, for the period ending March 3.
Best Buy is closing 50 big box stores because they are losing a ton of money.
Install a news app on your tablet or pick up a newspaper once in a while, kid.
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so yea whats your point
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What's my point?
Do you know how to read?
My point is clear.
As i simply stated in my first reply, i'm surprised Best Buy would honor such a price match, since it goes against their policy, they are suffering a tremendous loss, and it is one of the reasons the company is having serious financial issues.
That is all. Nothing more to it.
Do you have difficulty understanding that?
If so, perhaps you should take a basic reading comprehension course.
And you stated yourself you're surprised Best Buy actually did it, albeit a shady online retailer:
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So i gave it a try and couldn't believe best buy actually did it!
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And now you're stating that they do it all the time:
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Also i dont know what best you shop at, but the ones where i live always price match online retailers.
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pierrekid said:
Oh and by the way, i shop at best buy in Manhattan as well. I live in miami but i am actually from the bronx new york. Down here for school. I have price matched at best buys in Miami, Manhattan and Orlando using online retailers....
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You're contradicting yourself now.
I understand you want everyone to know about this, but do you want a prize, or perhaps everyone's praise and admiration because of this awesome "deal"?, and you take offense to any reply that doesn't praise or admire you for posting it?
Relax, school boy. I'll give you a cookie if you want.
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I'm not ranting, i'm retorting.
Best Buy isn't making a ton of money. They are losing billions. Their 2Q profit dropped 90% and their stock tumbled to a 9 year low.
Best Buy lost $1.7 billion/$4.89 per share, for the period ending March 3.
Best Buy is closing 50 big box stores because they are losing a ton of money.
Install a news app on your tablet or pick up a newspaper once in a while, kid.
What's my point?
Do you know how to read?
My point is clear.
As i simply stated in my first reply, i'm surprised Best Buy would honor such a price match, since it goes against their policy, they are suffering a tremendous loss, and it is one of the reasons the company is having serious financial issues.
That is all. Nothing more to it.
Do you have difficulty understanding that?
If so, maybe you should take a basic reading comprehension course.
And you stated yourself you're surprised Best Buy actually did it, albeit a shady online retailer:
And now you're stating that they do it all the time:
You're contradicting yourself now.
I understand you want everyone to know about this, but do you want a prize, or perhaps everyone's praise and admiration because of this awesome "deal"?, and you take offense to any reply that doesn't praise or admire you for posting it?
Relax, school boy. I'll give you a cookie if you want.
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lmao... the simple fact that your taking this much time out of your simple life to bring up quarter earning of best buy to prove a non existing point is hilarious. Lol you win...happy? Ill enjoy my new tablet and continue spreading this great deal while you pout .
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Ill enjoy my new tablet and continue spreading this great deal while you pout .
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I'm not pouting.
I have a TF700T, and a TF101.
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I'm not pouting.
I have a TF700T, and a TF101.
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....lol and i care you have both because?
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Rob S. said:
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I understand you want everyone to know about this, but do you want a prize, or perhaps everyone's praise and admiration because of this awesome "deal"?, and you take offense to any reply that doesn't praise or admire you for posting it?
Relax, school boy. I'll give you a cookie if you want.
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Pierrekid, you might want to sit down. You got owned pretty hard. Rofl.