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All people calming that desire z processor @800mhz scores better in benchmarks than overlooked snapdragon ,this is not true when Iam on desire z Rom I underclocked my hd2 to 806.4 mhz (same as dz) and I got 1512 score from the first time same as Dz with its perfect GPU , SO OUR CPU PERFORMS BETTER ( you can try it yourself ) Iam not a liar ,I think the improved performance is in THE ROM itself not in the processor
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You have to remember that the benchmarks (quadrant, linpack etc) are all synthetic, like 3dmark back in the day for pc graphics cards. There are so many things that can affect your scores both adversely and positively that they should only be used as a very rough guideline and nothing more. Direct comparisons are all but pointless.
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You have to remember that the benchmarks (quadrant, linpack etc) are all synthetic, like 3dmark back in the day for pc graphics cards. There are so many things that can affect your scores both adversely and positively that they should only be used as a very rough guideline and nothing more. Direct comparisons are all but pointless.
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Iam talking to people who take quadrant as a prove for performance , I know that its results are not accurate
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I think you should use Quadrant Advanced to compare cpu scores, I know I/O scores help our HD2 a lot.
Even software affects quadrant cpu scores so it is not reliable. Quadrant benchmarks h264 decoding performance as part of cpu benchmark and for example having stagefright driver enabled inflates cpu score by double! Disable stagefright and your cpu will score 400 instead of 800. (in quadrant "advanced") if you use better software decoder it will affect cpu score by large amount. And rebenchmarking produces higher results because of caching. Mips calculating benchmarks are better (like the one in setcpu)
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That might be true but the Desire Z/G2 has a co-processor for apps that we don't have.
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psykick5 said:
That might be true but the Desire Z/G2 has a co-processor for apps that we don't have.
what is the coprocessor , desire z have same scorpion core like hd2 only with 45n.m tech
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I'd say it has a better processor... it just got overclocked to 1.4 Ghz.
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-g2-overclock-gets-even-better-and-released
wow that makes me want it
RobertsDF said:
I'd say it has a better processor... it just got overclocked to 1.4 Ghz.
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-g2-overclock-gets-even-better-and-released
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Your battey will say thank you. Your chipset too. This phone is not made for such things. That won't last very long I think. But it is quite impressive, seems to be veeeeery fast
JanssoN said:
Your battey will say thank you. Your chipset too. This phone is not made for such things. That won't last very long I think. But it is quite impressive, seems to be veeeeery fast
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+1.. imagine, a 75% overclock?? i wonder if the carpet has any burn marks on them when he lifts the phone up, or if his face has any burn marks that's why he's not showing it up on the cam.. lol.. because a 75% OC on a very small device where there is not enough room to breathe, the whole phone would be like a big heatsink if used for a period of time.. and i guess that's also the reason why HTC slapped the 800mhz cpu instead of the 1ghz.. i'm our HD2 can achieve such high of an OC, but it wouldn't be adviceable as it would melt/crack the solder joints on the GPU and/or processor of the phone at that kind of heat.. and i believe that the GPU and apllication coprocessor that they're talking about on the G2 is just a marketing ploy to justify it's price tag.. maybe to cope up with the build price since there are moving parts (hinge) and the hard keyboard.. even the guy at the tmobile store told me that the G2 isn't fast at all.. he said it's nothing close to evo or the nexus one as some people and websites claims.. funny when he asked my what kind of phone do i have.. i pulled my HD2 and showed it to him.. he was surprised to see Android on it and asked me if he could play with it.. so i let him.. and after playing with it for a while, he advised me to wait for the new phone device that's supposed to come out before the end of the year.. he even told me that getting a G2 would be the same as downgrading as he feels that my HD2 is way way faster than the G2.. i told him i'm thinking about getting the vibrant because the port for our HD2 is nothing close to being perfect and that it's still running from the SD card.. again he discouraged me and told me to wait for the next phone device to come.. so i guess that's what i will do..
I'm surprised that you were in store and didn't test drive G2 for yourself, are you sure he is sale person?, he didn't sound like one.
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I'm surprised that you were in store and didn't test drive G2 for yourself, are you sure he is sale person?, he didn't sound like one.
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as a matter of fact i did.. that's actually one of the main reason why i went to the store, as i've been reading a lot of good things on G2.. i went there to compare the G2 with the samsung vibrant.. but through the end, i didn't like the G2's performance despite the fact that it's the only phone right now on TMo that supports the HSPA+.. and yes he's a sales person.. i was surprised as well when he told me about the upcoming desire HD.. but that didn't happen until i showed my HD2 to him and let him play with it for a while.. maybe he knows that i'm a phone enthusiast and that i might just end up returning the phone within the 30 days period after playing with the G2.. who knows?? i think the G2 is wayyy overrated.. it performs within it's specs, nothing special..
RobertsDF said:
I'd say it has a better processor... it just got overclocked to 1.4 Ghz.
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-g2-overclock-gets-even-better-and-released
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Desire Z overclocks to exactly same speeds. Record OC is 1470MHz.
So they are same CPUs, clocked at different speeds. Bigger screen = higher clock to handle bigger screen.
EDIT: Desire Z overclocks to 1.7GHz at 1400mv
EDIT: Desire Z overclocks to 1.9GHz at 1500mv
I know we have gotten to as high as 1.3 ghz but can our processors reach 1.4 or 1.5 ghz I know battery life would suck...but sometimes its cool to not have these other phones kick the crap out of us...haha
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Aye aye aye....
Unless the G2 was running Android 2.1 (which it never has been) it's virtually impossible to compare the two. Ghz mean nothing...
Wait until the Epic is running Froyo and see who needs to catchup to whom.
xusxmarinesx said:
I know we have gotten to as high as 1.3 ghz but can our processors reach 1.4 or 1.5 ghz I know battery life would suck...but sometimes its cool to not have these other phones kick the crap out of us...haha
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There was a 1.4ghz kernel but it want very stable. The extra 1ghz ain't much and is not needed unless your worried about how big your phones **** is
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Lol that was a good one.
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Not to mention that not all g2s can even handle over 1ghz, they've got a much weaker gpu and the hummingbird has been successfully rooted up to 1.6ghz, but its nowhere near ready for prime time
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The hummingbird can be clocked to 1.6hz and the gpu can achieve 75+fps on both neocore and nenamark (after having the fps cap removed.)
Is this not enough for you? We are still in 2010...
Team Whiskey has put out a Vibrant kernel (alpha) than can hit 1.6Ghz, and they're working on 1.8 and 2.0. Once they release the code (which should be soon), it shouldn't take long for an Epic version to surface.
Is stability not a problem with these high overclocks? I don't understand how someone can just put out a Xghz kernel for everyone to use. Aren't there hardware limits, ones that will be arbitrary device to device?
AndrewZorn said:
Is stability not a problem with these high overclocks? I don't understand how someone can just put out a Xghz kernel for everyone to use. Aren't there hardware limits, ones that will be arbitrary device to device?
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Pretty much. Not everyone's phone can overclock. Just the luck of the draw.
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Pretty much. Not everyone's phone can overclock. Just the luck of the draw.
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Not unlike desktop CPU overclocking then.
Well yes and no...every one can be overclocked...it boils down to how much..and how well of an over-clocker a chip is..then obviously it boils down to manufacture quality aka luck of the draw.
For example...the 1st gen snapdragon is a sub par overclocker...while the 550mhz chip in the original droid is an awesome overclocker....
It kinda boils down to the manufacturer limiting the frequency to a certain amount..sometimes for stability..but often times to charge you extra for more mhz...Intel has been doing it for years selling the same chip in 3 different clocks when in reality it is exactly the same chip.
I mean if samsung wanted to they could have easily released it at 1.3ghz..they just had no reason to...
just wait till the Epic is running 2.2 and u will see who the real winner is
the biggest issues for smartphone ocing are heat n battery, cuz unlike a desktop were u can keep uping the volts n if it gets to hot just add more cooling, a smartphone is all passive so you cant go much above stock voltage or it'll melt, plus wht good is 2ghz if u can only run it for an hour b4 ur battery dies
So then why is it such a big deal to make a ROM capable of a high clock? Someone could make a 5ghz ROM, but it would never work. If Hummingbird CAN go to 1.8ghz, I don't see why the current overclocked kernel's don't already reflect that.
In other words, I think we shouldn't hope for much over 1.2ghz, which is already pretty good.
Any stability testing programs for Android? Or is everyone saying "no crash = must be stable"?
So who's making the jump to the Evo shift 4g? There is a review video on YouTube as well. Search for Evo shift 4g.
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Yeah I am
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raymond4 said:
Yeah I am
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I'm an epic user but I have seen the great dev community for the Evo and as I will be getting the shift for my wife I really hope that some of your devs make the switch or at the very least expand their development to include the shift!
Hell no! I see the shift as the "womans" version of an Evo. No offense to any ladies out there
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Hell no! I see the shift as the "womans" version of an Evo. No offense to any ladies out there
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So, I should give my husband my Evo and I get the Shift?
I just got my EVO last night and ordered the wife an Optimus she decided her Blackberry just couldn't hang anymore. But we might be sending the optimus back now after seeing the shift demo video, looks really nice.
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So, I should give my husband my Evo and I get the Shift?
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Champagne would fall from the heavens all doors will open and you will be crowned one of the coolest wifes to walk the earth.
Has anyone looked at the hardware specs or can tell if the 4g chipset is the same as the EVO? In other words: will all the WIMAX work being done right now be Shift compatible? I imagine so (at worst just wait for a kernel release so the new drivers can be compiled) but I'm curious.
The specs on the shift aren't as good. I wouldn't expect many current evo users to switch.
smaller with a slide out keyboard. No thanks. It really doesn't have better specs than the Evo, just smaller with a slide out keyboard. I think I'll stick with my Evo for now because when I am eligible for an upgrade the phones will be much better than the Shift. No sense getting locked into a lesser phone for 2 yrs. My 2 pennies worth anyway. To each his own.
Did anyone else notice in the video review, the processor is the same as the original EVO? V7 rev 2? Am I misunderstanding that?
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Is it going to ship with the new sense?
leenypost said:
The specs on the shift aren't as good. I wouldn't expect many current evo users to switch.
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*Sigh* people like numbers too much. Just because the number 800 is smaller than 1000 doesn't mean that 1000 is better than 800. The chip running the Evo Shift is faster than the plain old Evo and has been overclocked to 1600mhz which is bigger than 1000. As I've read in here the Evo force reboots at 1200. The only downside to this phone is its size which many would view as an upside (my wife is one of those people...she has small hands and cannot use the Evo or the Epic).
Think about it only a 2g sd card but the 1 LED flash will be better for taking pics on a 5mp cam. The EVO is still better even though I have a thing for keyboards. I didn't know I had a big thing for screen size until I got this lol. Bigger IS better, or at least that is what my girlfriend said.
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i'm jumping ship. it's the same cpu as the G2 and that thing is a beast.
also the keyboard would be handy, i miss having a real keyboard and can live with the smaller screen (same resolution...so whatever)
just hope we get CM7 on the Shift some time soon after release :-D
anyone hating on the CPU hasn't seen an evo and a G2 side by side.
my friends unrooted, stock G2 wipes the floor with my Evo running CM6.1.1 with zendroid 1.0.2 BFS - AVS with setCPU set to performance at 998mhz (stock clock and setCPU profiles turned off)
the GPU on the Scorpion (cpu in the shift. i think it's called the Scorpion) is enough for me to switch
Neocore on my Evo averages 32.2 FPS and my friends G2 averages 53 FPS. should make enough of a difference to play Dungeon Defenders :-D
Ill enjoy my evo and switch when there is a significant upgrade.
I am very tempted to make a jump ship to the Shift 4g. However, you guys do point out interesting facts that I might reconsider.
No thanks from what I have seen I will stick with my evo. I have a craving for big screens. I love the size of my evo and wwont be going to a smaller screen
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Did anyone else notice in the video review, the processor is the same as the original EVO? V7 rev 2? Am I misunderstanding that?
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Its actually a Rev 1 and is only 800mhz. Only comes with a 2gb sd card also.
I'll pass!
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i'm jumping ship. it's the same cpu as the G2 and that thing is a beast.
the GPU on the Scorpion (cpu in the shift. i think it's called the Scorpion) is enough for me to switch
Neocore on my Evo averages 32.2 FPS and my friends G2 averages 53 FPS. should make enough of a difference to play Dungeon Defenders :-D
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The scorpion core is Qualcomm's changes to ARM's standard Cortex A8 CPU. Both first and second generation Snapdragon have the scorpion core. Per clock cycle, Qualcomm claims it is 5-10% faster than a standard Cortex A8 (iphone 3gs used this processor). The second generation snapdragon is built on a 45nm process (60nm for first generation) so it is more energy efficient and should be better on battery life. The big advantage is the upgraded gpu, the Adreno 205 is much more powerful than the Adreno 200 found in the first generation Snapdragon.
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Can someone test if underclocking works using setCPU.
I believe you have to be rooted.
I live in Canada and it hasn't been announced here yet.
This should probably be merged with the overclocking thread or locked, but I believe they are discussing something similar there.
RacecarBMW said:
Can someone test if underclocking works using setCPU.
I believe you have to be rooted.
I live in Canada and it hasn't been announced here yet.
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I don't think setCPU works with the tegra 2
Thank you guys.
But can someone that has received the Atrix test it out.
I've tried to use setcpu it forcecloses everytime.
The Dell Streak 7 also uses this chipset. It is underclocked stock to 800mhz. Maybe you could pull their work apart and come up with a script. I honestly know nothing about it so I probably sound stupid, just an idea.
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fc on set cpu
i get a force close every time as well
Ok thank you guys.
It would be cool if we could control each core in setCPU.
Yeah I was wondering if it was just me...but fc evwrytime
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I feel obligated to point out the irony of a guy with a BMW M badge as his avatar asking to underclock the CPU on his phone.
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The Dell Streak 7 also uses this chipset. It is underclocked stock to 800mhz. Maybe you could pull their work apart and come up with a script. I honestly know nothing about it so I probably sound stupid, just an idea.
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Where did you hear it was underclocked to 800Mhz? Every review and the official spec sheet says 1Ghz Tegra 2 processor.
I could be wrong, but don't you need a kernel that supports under and over clocking before setCPU is actually useful?
hotleadsingerguy said:
Where did you hear it was underclocked to 800Mhz? Every review and the official spec sheet says 1Ghz Tegra 2 processor.
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He was saying the dell streak is underclocked to 800mhz, ours is full 1 ghz on both cores. Don't worry
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lorimer said:
I feel obligated to point out the irony of a guy with a BMW M badge as his avatar asking to underclock the CPU on his phone.
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lol I know I was just wondering because Imagine the battery life if we could make 1 of the 2 cores really low.
Im just being realistic. Thanks for noticing the ///M badge
Having dissimilar static core speeds would make for a wonky system because of the S in SMP.
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He was saying the dell streak is underclocked to 800mhz, ours is full 1 ghz on both cores. Don't worry
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Right...I got that.
What I was saying is the Dell Streak 7 (the one that uses the Tegra) runs at 1Ghz as far as I know...all of the spec sheets say 1Ghz
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lol I know I was just wondering because Imagine the battery life if we could make 1 of the 2 cores really low.
Im just being realistic. Thanks for noticing the ///M badge
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you cant have 2 cores running at different speeds.... nor could i see why you would want to. if you want to increase battery life you would throttle both cores, like you do on a laptop when you want to get some more juice.
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Right...I got that.
What I was saying is the Dell Streak 7 (the one that uses the Tegra) runs at 1Ghz as far as I know...all of the spec sheets say 1Ghz
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It was underclocked to 800mhz for added battery.
http://www.netbooknews.com/18979/de...at-performance-but-poor-display-battery-life/
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Setcpu on the market can now do this. I have everything default but my screen off max i reduced to around 600mhz.
I just saw the m1 release and I was stunned, 1,5 ghz dual core, 1gb ram and 4gb rom and the ability to flash other android roms will probably make devs interested in this beast, and all of this for 300 $ , seems to be a hell of a device, let's see the overall quality of the device, but this looks very promising..
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I just saw the m1 release and I was stunned, 1,5 ghz dual core, 1gb ram and 4gb rom and the ability to flash other android roms will probably make devs interested in this beast, and all of this for 300 $ , seems to be a hell of a device, let's see the overall quality of the device, but this looks very promising..
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It looks freaking awesome, If it could get tmobile 3G, I would buy this thing in a heart-beat.