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Battery Life Testing - Kernel + Rom Combo's

Iv always considered battery life a very important factor in my purchasing of a phone and was one of the big reasons i moved from my Desire HD to the Nexus S (amongst many others). However having been on the android scene for a while im used to tinkering with kernels and roms etc and due to the new battery graph in gingerbread im now able to make direct comparisons rom by rom and kernel by kernel to see how they all differ. This is all shown + explained below.
First id like to explain my method;
I install the rom and kernel with the same apps I always use and charge the phone fully until i am about to go to sleep. I then unplug the phone and leave it in the exactly the same place on my desk with exactly the same settings (sync intervals etc) and i kill all apps before i leave it just to make sure the test is fair.
In the morning i then take a screen shot of the battery life over the period of usually 8 hours and will upload this for you to see. I then look at the over-night battery drain as a comparison on how good battery life is on specific roms and kernels.
Justification - Many of you may be thinking who cares about standby battery life? I care about the battery when im using it!?
Well although that's valid there are many reasons i have taken this approach;
1. It is completely fair i.e. no individual differences such as 'im a heavy user' but we all have different definitions of a 'heavy user'. This is eliminated by the fact the phone is not used and thus the same every time (no individual differences)
2. If a phone has severe battery drain during sleep general knowledge should dictate that battery drain should increase when the screen is on, cpu is working and your syncing your facebook wall, thus a direct correlation with sleep battery drain and usage drain should be apparent.
Therefore i have decided over the next few days/weeks etc i will upload on a regular basis a screenshot of the battery drain over night, along with the battery use details and screen on time etc etc. In addition to the rom and kernel info and i hope that over time this proves to be a very useful thread.
I have been doing this over the last few days on a less strict system and there have been some VERY interesting results which i will upload over the next few days.
(Just a final note iv never really done anything like this on xda before so if its a stupid idea then please tell me now so i dont waste my time doing it, however if people are really interested please let me know and il make sure i do my best!!)
Thanks for reading my extremely long post!
Bratfink
SCREENSHOT 1: This was using modacos custom rom r10 and the kernel that comes with it, i had quite a short sleep (about 6 hours) but the curve pretty much shows what the point im trying to make is. The battery life is great!!
SCREENSHOT 2: This is CM7 Nightly build 27# with Netarchy's latest 1.2.1 kernel and although i didnt use the screen once of charge for a few minutes as you can see once the screen was off battery life barely decreased and was over a long period of time.
If anyone wants me to test specific combos please let me know.

I'm actually looking forward to reading your results.
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Yep, this would actually be pretty useful. Good luck and good work!

i'm a sucker for these types of tests, always love doing them and seeing the results. post soon!

I like others will be keeping an interested eye on your findings.

Uploading pictures of modaco r10 with it's own original kernel today. Its an interesting result!
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I'm interested too.

Can u try modaco r10 with Netarchy 1.2.1 kernel.
bratfink said:
Iv always considered battery life a very important factor in my purchasing of a phone and was one of the big reasons i moved from my Desire HD to the Nexus S (amongst many others). However having been on the android scene for a while im used to tinkering with kernels and roms etc and due to the new battery graph in gingerbread im now able to make direct comparisons rom by rom and kernel by kernel to see how they all differ. This is all shown + explained below.
First id like to explain my method;
I install the rom and kernel with the same apps I always use and charge the phone fully until i am about to go to sleep. I then unplug the phone and leave it in the exactly the same place on my desk with exactly the same settings (sync intervals etc) and i kill all apps before i leave it just to make sure the test is fair.
In the morning i then take a screen shot of the battery life over the period of usually 8 hours and will upload this for you to see. I then look at the over-night battery drain as a comparison on how good battery life is on specific roms and kernels.
Justification - Many of you may be thinking who cares about standby battery life? I care about the battery when im using it!?
Well although that's valid there are many reasons i have taken this approach;
1. It is completely fair i.e. no individual differences such as 'im a heavy user' but we all have different definitions of a 'heavy user'. This is eliminated by the fact the phone is not used and thus the same every time (no individual differences)
2. If a phone has severe battery drain during sleep general knowledge should dictate that battery drain should increase when the screen is on, cpu is working and your syncing your facebook wall, thus a direct correlation with sleep battery drain and usage drain should be apparent.
Therefore i have decided over the next few days/weeks etc i will upload on a regular basis a screenshot of the battery drain over night, along with the battery use details and screen on time etc etc. In addition to the rom and kernel info and i hope that over time this proves to be a very useful thread.
I have been doing this over the last few days on a less strict system and there have been some VERY interesting results which i will upload over the next few days.
(Just a final note iv never really done anything like this on xda before so if its a stupid idea then please tell me now so i dont waste my time doing it, however if people are really interested please let me know and il make sure i do my best!!)
Thanks for reading my extremely long post!
Bratfink
SCREENSHOT 1: This was using modacos custom rom r10 and the kernel that comes with it, i had quite a short sleep (about 6 hours) but the curve pretty much shows what the point im trying to make is. The battery life is great!!
If anyone wants me to test specific combos please let me know.
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I'd be interested in seeing CM7, just whatever nightly build you manage to catch.

I don't think that result will give you precise result.
I found that statistic is wrong sometimes.
It is better to measure using "play video loop".
So, find a movie, set to the same brightness and play in loop?

gogol said:
I don't think that result will give you precise result.
I found that statistic is wrong sometimes.
It is better to measure using "play video loop".
So, find a movie, set to the same brightness and play in loop?
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Unfortunately that will not give you how well the rom does while it is idle.

I'm really looking forward to your results. My only issue with this phone is the battery life is terrible. I ordered an extended battery off Ebay 3 weeks ago and have yet to receive it. Never ordering anything from Hong Kong again!

Fuse8499 said:
I'm really looking forward to your results. My only issue with this phone is the battery life is terrible. I ordered an extended battery off Ebay 3 weeks ago and have yet to receive it. Never ordering anything from Hong Kong again!
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What were you using before that you consider this phone to have bad battery life? By far this phone has the best battery life of any Android device I've owned. If you want bad battery life, get an Evo. That is horrific battery life.

bratfink said:
Uploading pictures of modaco r10 with it's own original kernel today. Its an interesting result!
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I am looking forward to the rest of these, however just a quick question. What was your battery use like in that situation with the stock ROM? Just for reference, because I'm thinking I might switch to modaco soon. Thanks!

More soon
Iv got a few more screenies but it seems i may have to end this thread prematurely. Its the SNS or 2.3 but idle battery usage for me is pretty much identical no matter what the kernel or rom (il upload a CM7 + Netarchy 1.2.1 shot top op). This was unexpected on my behalf because with my DHD kernels and roms had a big impact on idle battery consumption. I have noticed however that without a full wipe when changing some kernels such as with M r10 idle battery life can increase drastically. I will continue for the next few days and if i dont see any big changes i may move method to a video loop or something of the sort.

Interesting find
I found out something today that may interest may of you. I was messing around with the sleep profiles on SetCpu with netarchys kernel and i found that its better to leave the range from 100-800 than 100-400 or less. This i believe is because when the phone is asleep and carries out a process it will be forced to clock to the maximum of 400mhz and then stay at that speed for 10 seconds, instead of say going up to 800mhz for 1-2 seconds to complete the same process. So a tip to you would be set your profile to 100-800mhz conservative and see what you get!

bratfink said:
I found out something today that may interest may of you. I was messing around with the sleep profiles on SetCpu with netarchys kernel and i found that its better to leave the range from 100-800 than 100-400 or less. This i believe is because when the phone is asleep and carries out a process it will be forced to clock to the maximum of 400mhz and then stay at that speed for 10 seconds, instead of say going up to 800mhz for 1-2 seconds to complete the same process. So a tip to you would be set your profile to 100-800mhz conservative and see what you get!
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This kinda enforces the point that SetCPU is useless for the NS unless you really want to overclock...
Any battery saving tactics used buy lowering screen off profiles are counteracted by the system process;( So i think in the context of battery life you are probably better to not use SetCPU
JD

bratfink said:
Iv got a few more screenies but it seems i may have to end this thread prematurely. Its the SNS or 2.3 but idle battery usage for me is pretty much identical no matter what the kernel or rom (il upload a CM7 + Netarchy 1.2.1 shot top op). This was unexpected on my behalf because with my DHD kernels and roms had a big impact on idle battery consumption. I have noticed however that without a full wipe when changing some kernels such as with M r10 idle battery life can increase drastically. I will continue for the next few days and if i dont see any big changes i may move method to a video loop or something of the sort.
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I would definitely move to a video loop or some other 'heavy use' task because when you think about it, not too much can really be changed when almost no power is being used in the first place.
You could also just mention your general feeling for the battery life of each rom, because quite often that is what I go by as my usage varies depending on a range of things (school day or weekend etc) .
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Could you please test modaco r10 with Netarchy's latest 1.2.1 kernel ?
I would love to see the difference between modaco's default kernel vs netarchy's kernel.

On CM nightly 13, I just went 11 hours and I'm at 90%. That's 1/2% an hour. Not bad. That is with stock kernel.
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Appropriate steps to a better battery life?

Hi everyone! Long time XDA reader and I've had my Evo rooted for months. Now I have been dealing with its "poor" battery life for a long time and not really thinking much of it till I finally decided that rooting has to have some advantage for this. I average about 6-7 hours then my phone dies...
After doing a little research I read some people getting 15-20+ hours out of their phone with heavy use...I was amazed...I decided to try to get better battery life on my phone and this is what I am trying right now. I just want to make sure I am on the right path with it and that I am not doing anything seriously wrong.
-I am trying Cynogens ROMs - CM7 I tried for a day and that gave me about 7 hours of battery life...still no real improvments. I am trying Cynogens 7 Nightly 12 now to see if that works.
-I am trying different Kernels. Been getting them on the HTC EVO kernels page. Right now I am using stock HTC one.
-Should I try different radios too? Where can I go to find different radios if so.
-What order should I be installing radios/kernels/roms?
-I have donated and am using Set CPU now also and have the screen off cpu power really low.
-Am I on the right path trying out different ROMS/ Kernels/ Radios to optimize my battery life? Is there anything else I can be trying?

turn off gps when not need
data when not needed

Check out my sig for my full walk-through on battery life (I don't want to repost it here lol).
But you seem to be doing everything okay. My only hesitation would be to say make sure you're giving Kernels adequate time to settle into your phone. Unless something is HORRIBLY wrong with them, you shouldn't switch/judge them until at least two days in
Radios should not make a difference in your battery life.
Also, be aware that CM is NOT optimized for battery life. There are a couple of ROMs that will give you unheard of battery life if you would like though (Myn's comes to mind). It's a trade off though. CM is hands down the fastest ROM you'll run...but in my experiences is in the lower tier of battery.
Hope that helps

also when the newest version of ultimate Juice is released that will help you i have the closed beta and im glad to have it back and running

@Cheesy: I turn off all those things If I turn off "data" that turns off Exchange push right? I really need that on all the time >_<
@Green: Really? Myns is good on battery life? I tried that before and was dieing with battery. (Was getting my average 6-7 hours) I had that one for about 2 weeks. Do you think it was my Kernels that were bad then? Isn't Myns warm 2 pt sense based? The one I used was...I had thought sense UI drained battery more than CM for example that is just plain stock android gingerbread?
@Cheesy again: Ultimate Juice? Is that an app on the mkt place? How much did it help you? I'm willing to donate and pay for apps to support the devs if they really make a noticeable difference.
Another thing..when you install a ROM does it automatically install a Kernel too? Or are those 2 separate?

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@Cheesy: I turn off all those things If I turn off "data" that turns off Exchange push right? I really need that on all the time >_<
@Green: Really? Myns is good on battery life? I tried that before and was dieing with battery. (Was getting my average 6-7 hours) I had that one for about 2 weeks. Do you think it was my Kernels that were bad then? Isn't Myns warm 2 pt sense based? The one I used was...I had thought sense UI drained battery more than CM for example that is just plain stock android gingerbread?
@Cheesy again: Ultimate Juice? Is that an app on the mkt place? How much did it help you? I'm willing to donate and pay for apps to support the devs if they really make a noticeable difference.
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with UJ i get 18-19 or more on a full charge with phone being used 80% of the day .
with out i was changing out batteries after 9 hours or so ( i normally work 12 - 13 hours a day )
yes its in the market but gingerbread support is not public yet ( closed beta )
also check in spareparts for any wakelocks you might be having
for a sense rom myns are great so are Ava's,caulkins and Miks

Hmm Thanks Cheesy. I'll take a look at that.
So if I flash a ROM that is not Gingerbread...I can use that app. But Gingerbread is anything 2.0+ right?
I'll try out those ROMs too and different kernels...test them for 2-3 days.
Whats wake lock? I'll download that spare parts thing and see if I can figure it out.

I just recently started seeing great battery life with my rooted Evo. I flashed MikFroYo 4.5 with a stock htc kernal.
I use juice defender and that's it. I've been getting just over a day per charge for the past two weeks.
I wouldn't say that's with heavy use as a good 6-7 hours of that time are accounted for when I'm asleep. I do about 30-50 texts a day. About 10 minutes of calls and I check facebook and twitter all the time. My data use varies depending on the day but I do use youtube and pandora pretty regularly as well.

just make sure background data is disabled. accounts and sync>background data. I have no issues with battery life on stock sprint evo.
of course it is a 3500mah battery

My wife and I just bought two EVOs a week and a half ago, and I quickly became interested in improving the battery life on the phone. My first attempts were rooting my phone and installing OverClock Widget, and using minimal settings when the screen was off. With that change alone, and comparing to my wife's phone from a full overnight charge, my phone was able to make it 14-16 hours with moderate use. My wife's phone would die after 8-9 hours of moderate use. Granted, there's obviously going to be a difference between my moderate use and hers, but even testing with screens off and letting them idle for an hour, there was a definitive difference in battery consumption between our phones.
I went one step further and installed CM7 Nightly 12 just yesterday... already I'm noticing even further improvement in battery life, but the majority of those savings are when my phone is idle. Overnight, my battery only drained 7%, whereas my wife's drained much more than that. My battery has been at 39% for the past 3 hours at idle, so I imagine that with my version of "standard usage", I would be able to possibly get higher than 16 hours of usage per charge (can't wait until I do the full calculation testing tomorrow!).
Here are some observations I've had in all of this:
1) Check out Greenfieldan's list of battery tips and tricks. Some of these are very simple and actually had a significant impact on both my phone and my wife's phone (especially shutting off data and disabling auto-synch). I'm new to the forums, but this is one of the first things I checked out. This is a great place to start.
2) Battery consumption is obviously affected by how frequently you use your phone, and what you are doing with it. I say this because it's easy to read threads about what techniques work and see mixed results, but I don't see alot of people really admitting how much or how little they use their phones. I'd say I'm a more conservative user of my phone, but I still have my texting, browsing, and even occasional streaming, GPS using and general fiddling. So in other words, your mileage may vary with any given technique.
3) This is my personal opinion, but think about when you ideally want to be charging your phone, and try and anticipate usage around it. It sounds strange, but I've come to my own conclusion that an optimal charge for me (not necessarily possible, but optimal) will give either 12 or 36 hours of usage time. This is because I like to charge my phone overnight, so if I get 18 hours of battery life, I'm unfortunately wasting 4-6 of them. If I get 24 hours of usage, then that means that by the next morning, I need to charge again. So I plan ahead and charge at night, and use through the day. This was particularly useful when I first started with the phone and was getting a max of 8-9 hours. I'd know when to unplug, and how well it would get me through the day.
Anyway, at this point I'm rambling, but since it is still very fresh in my mind I wanted to share my thoughts. Hopefully this helps.
(Btw, apologies for the huge post!!)

syypher said:
So if I flash a ROM that is not Gingerbread...I can use that app. But Gingerbread is anything 2.0+ right?
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Gingerbread is Android v2.3. Froyo is v2.2.

syypher said:
@Cheesy: I turn off all those things If I turn off "data" that turns off Exchange push right? I really need that on all the time >_<
@Green: Really? Myns is good on battery life? I tried that before and was dieing with battery. (Was getting my average 6-7 hours) I had that one for about 2 weeks. Do you think it was my Kernels that were bad then? Isn't Myns warm 2 pt sense based? The one I used was...I had thought sense UI drained battery more than CM for example that is just plain stock android gingerbread?
@Cheesy again: Ultimate Juice? Is that an app on the mkt place? How much did it help you? I'm willing to donate and pay for apps to support the devs if they really make a noticeable difference.
Another thing..when you install a ROM does it automatically install a Kernel too? Or are those 2 separate?
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Sorry it took me so long to reply.
Anyhow, from my testing on mine and three other phones Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo has the best battery life (although some of them were right on par with it). Specifically his RLS 3 and RLS 4. Did you try Warm Z? Because the battery life on that ROM is no where NEAR his 2.2 ROM.
Also, Sense CAN be a major drain on battery. If you make it so it's not syncing all the time/doing the random shenanigans it defaults to I'd argue it's better than AOSP (based on my experience with both).
Yes, your Kernel might have been an issue. Do you know which one you were using? HAVS? CFS? BFS? Etc.
Just for my phone comparison, CM7 (which I am running now) requires me to charge my phone at least once a day. Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo was every other day/every day and a half.

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@Cheesy: I turn off all those things If I turn off "data" that turns off Exchange push right? I really need that on all the time.
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You can set juice defender to turn on data to sync at set intervals; anywhere from 15min to every couple of hours. If you can stand to wait 15 minutes for that email then I would recommend it. I personally like not being interrupted every time I get an email.
Also, make sure your kernel and setCPU aren't trying to both control the same thing. I really like using a kernel with HAVS so I avoid apps that also try to modulate my CPU.
I've tried warm 2.2 and really like it. Although I think I'm getting slightly better battery with Azrael X 4.0 with netarchy 4.3.1-cfs-havs-nosbc and ultimate juice controlling only my data and WiFi connections.
Also,the 3500mah battery is worth every penny if you don't mind the extra thickness.

i owe setcpu and screen off seting for my battery life

I read Greenfieldan's step on the forum here about a week ago, and jsut the HTC Method of battery calibration alone changed my battery life completely.
I also dumped Advanced Task Killer.
In another thread, I rad that CM is the worst drain on a battery and I personally think the guy that wrote that is sadly mistaken. Even with all the steps taken in Greenfieldan's guide, Sense based ROMs are battery killers. They are the worst, by far, and I average battery drain at about 15-20% pr hour, even with screen off.
The #2 killer, is having your screen on. Waiting for that next text to come in with the screen on is not worth it, so turn it off when you're not using it.
With the setup in my sig, and moderate to heavy use, in 12 hours, I only drop about 25% with a Sedio 3500maH battery.
With Sense, like I said, quick battery death.

I'm using CM7 - Nightly 12 right now + Stock Kernel...I also have set cpu to change cpu usage when screen is off.
This combo was my first combo I started trying (2 days ago when I posted this) to test for increased battery life. I followed what some of you guys suggested and let it "work into my phone." Instead of giving up after 1 day of test.
Results! Just yesterday I had my phone on for 14 hours and it was at 18%! That is a HUGE improvement. Right now it is at 65% and I've had it on for about 5 hours. That's really long compared to what it was before! Before I tried changing the ROM, kernel and using Set CPU I would be at the red right now or around 15%.
Thanks you guys for all the suggestions! Any further advice would be greatly appreciated! (Only sad thing is that my GPS doesn't work with CM7 - Nightly 12 >_<...) Other than that I love it!

Best battery saving settings..?

Rom: unity 1.29
Kernal:unity V4
Radio: stock gingerbread
Set CPU: wake 1.1GHzmax - 245MHz min.. sleep 368max - 245min
So I recently came to the conclusion that it doesn't matter what Rom I use (sense or asop) that I always have horrible battery life.. I maybe get 4-6 hours of battery life with moderate to heavy use.. I was just wonder what is the best way to set up my phone to get the most out of my battery.. I've used the battery calibration app for all 3 of my batteries and nothing still get the same out of it.. yes I have 3 batteries but if they all die extremely fast whats the point? I've also used juice defender but that only helps if I don't use the phone..I've seen posts of people supposedly using the **** out of there phone and going a full 24 hours.. I just want to know what your settings are if it helps me at all.. oh I also know that T-Mobile recently had or still has 4g network problems but my battery drain has been going on forever ever since I got the phone when it came out.. thanks in advance for the help guys and girls

teiknarfy89 said:
Rom: unity 1.29
Kernal:unity V4
Radio: stock gingerbread
Set CPU: wake 1.1GHzmax - 245MHz min.. sleep 368max - 245min
So I recently came to the conclusion that it doesn't matter what Rom I use (sense or asop) that I always have horrible battery life.. I maybe get 4-6 hours of battery life with moderate to heavy use.. I was just wonder what is the best way to set up my phone to get the most out of my battery.. I've used the battery calibration app for all 3 of my batteries and nothing still get the same out of it.. yes I have 3 batteries but if they all die extremely fast whats the point? I've also used juice defender but that only helps if I don't use the phone..I've seen posts of people supposedly using the **** out of there phone and going a full 24 hours.. I just want to know what your settings are if it helps me at all.. oh I also know that T-Mobile recently had or still has 4g network problems but my battery drain has been going on forever ever since I got the phone when it came out.. thanks in advance for the help guys and girls
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What i have been doing to counter the 4g problem is use 2g for non phone use times and 4g when i actually need to download or use mobile data. Ive also heard that auto brightness helps drain the battery faster than without. autosync settings can be important too. dont have it sync everything if you dont need it to. I get a long time on my battery and usually set it on the charger at night with 30-40% left.
edit: you didnt list the governer you are using. I use smartass or conservative for screen on or off and they help keep the clock speeds down if you arent doing something heavily dependant on phone speed like a game. Also when you say your radio is stock gingerbread, do you mean the newest leak one or stock that came with the phone? I have found the panache to give me the best reception which in turn saves the phone from draining itself from trying to find a signal.

Whoops New I forgot something..yeah my governors are smartass for when screen on and conservative when sleep.. when I say stock gingerbread radio I meant the link before the panache radio

I got my best battery life using faux123's AOSP roms, and his latest kernel has an undervolted version which makes it waste less battery without taking any toll on the performance. I don't particularly like the sense roms too much because I feel like they drain my battery power faster than aosp ones, and I don't even use all the features to their fullest extent.
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Ive also heard that auto brightness helps drain the battery faster than without.
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I've heard the same thing as well actually. Personally I keep my brightness at minimum all the time(10%), but you could try 25% if that's too dim for you. 40%-60% is usually bright enough to see clearly on even the brightest days too, and I'm one of the unlucky people with a bad screen.
I'd also recommend downloading Muzikant's "AutomateIt" app and setting up some rules. I recommend setting rules that will brighten your display for apps that really need the light(Netflix, Camera, Gallery), and then dimming it back down once you close the applications. You can have it turn off your data and syncing and other such things under specific conditions and times as well, which can help your battery life immensely, and without you actively having to do anything.
And I guess you could try flashing a new radio as well. You might have to test out each one for a few days to notice the differences between them but eventually you'll find which one works best for your area and phone.

If the batteries you're using isn't the stock one, most likely those batteries will die out really quick. They don't hold their charge that well.
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[Q] Battery useage questions

Finally got my desire z, it came with 2.3.3 unfortunately. So as yet not rooted or anything as I don't have the time just now.
Was just wondering what people's current drain was, mine seems to be around 32mA on standby which shoots up to between 200-350mA with screen on, brightness at 12%.
1. Would this be considered normal for stock?
2. I also am having the dialler high useage issue, tried most of the fixes but still quite high, was this ever resolved properly?
3. Thinking of romming to virtuous sense 2.0 if it will improve the battery drain, can some of you give rough screen off current drain figures please? Especially sense based roms as that's what I would be using.
Thanks.

I used the 1350mAh battery for a long time and then finally caved in to get a Mugen Power 1800mAh. Since then Sense based or not my drain doesn't go below 15% for a full day Wifi (always on), Data (always on - when no WiFi) and Bluetooth on for 6 hours (during travelling).
I would suggest you do the same to get the peace of mind everyone deserves but HTC wasn't caring enough to pack in.
With a 1800mAh battery you don't even have to worry about anything, no matter what you try.

Interesting. It really makes that much of a difference does it?
Where do I get them?

Myrmidon83 said:
Interesting. It really makes that much of a difference does it?
Where do I get them?
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Yup it does, mine is a 1900 mah from chi chi tec

I got my Mugen 1800 from eBay. But you can get it from their website directly. Beware of fakes! If it's too cheap to be true, it is.
Here's a tip, you really don't need much brightness indoors and turn off GPS, wifi when not using it, and screen timeout to like 1 minute.

gaarry said:
Here's a tip, you really don't need much brightness indoors and turn off GPS, wifi when not using it, and screen timeout to like 1 minute.
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Way ahead of you, my brightness is always 10% ish, same with gps and wifi, fb every 4 hrs and mails every 6.
I'm now rooted with S-OFF on gingerbread stock. Gonna install cwm and maybe try a different kernel. Any recommendations as to one which will work with stock?

No idea on the kernel, but I really do suggest a bigger battery. I just went back to the stock one for a few days and it was noticeably less.

Myrmidon83 said:
Way ahead of you, my brightness is always 10% ish, same with gps and wifi, fb every 4 hrs and mails every 6.
I'm now rooted with S-OFF on gingerbread stock. Gonna install cwm and maybe try a different kernel. Any recommendations as to one which will work with stock?
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Just use glite problem solved lol

I'm using bulletproof miui and my standby sits around 28mA with around 150-250 mA regular use. My battery lasts a full day with medium usage (4h screen on, wifi on, 18-20hrs unplugged total). I would say you're sitting a bit high with your battery consumption and could benefit from an undervolted kernel. I have my cpu clocked at 1ghz max these days..
Hope that helps!
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I'm thinking my battery just hasn't settled yet as I'm using the battery monitor app and it tells me I'm getting a 32mA draw with screen off but my battery is lasting only around 18 hours with light use and a lot of standby time. For a rough calculation: 1300mAh/32mAh = 39ish hours (standby), deduct 10 hours for messing around, I should be getting at least 24 hours I would think (very rough calculation).
Have only charged it maybe 5 times so far, its probably still being worn in as it seems to drain damn quick on standby at 32mA.

Possibly, do you know your voltage levels for each clock speed? I can get a good 35+ hours with light use and standby at night (~3 hours screen on with wifi connected always)
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I'm still on stock just now. Just realised that 'always on mobile data' was on, so I have turned that off as my sync apps will still work and I don't use push email. I'll try that over the next few days and see if it makes a difference as well as the battery getting charged with more cycles to break it in.
If that still leaves it to be desired, then I'm gonna put virtuous sense 2.0.0 on and use underclocking as that made a massive difference with my old wildfire.
What rom are you using bik_jack?

I'm using bulletproof miui but was getting roughly the same voltage numbers with cm7 nightlies before I switched to bulletproof in June.
Both underclocking down to 368mhz with the default undervoltage settings used in tsubus' kernel.
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i made a barebones stripped ROM based on the newest tmo OTA, i made optimizations to get better battery life, and stripped tons out to get the most ram possible, and keep the ui fast and snappy.
my newest version 1.3, offers the best battery life in any rom that i have ever used, its super fast (no need for OC), offers the most free ram and is located here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1324616
give it a try! im sure it will get u more battery life

Of course, now I've realised that my network (3uk) no longer have a 2g contract with orange, so all this setting does for me is stop me receiving txts and calls with it off. Tch. Looks like I will be trying virtuous after all.
The standby battery drain doesn't make sense at all, almost like my battery isn't really 1300mAh.

I use an Anker 1600mAh battery that I got off ebay in my DZ. The seller had a sale of 2 going on for $15, not a bad deal. link to it is here
It's listed for the Incredible 2 / Incredible S, but it seems those batteries are a perfect fit for the Desire Z / G2. Doesn't need any aftermarket casing or modding.
Right now, I am using the ICS beta by tazinator and yesterday I got ~12-13 hours of playing around with it very heavily. My battery can last 22-28 hours with moderate and light use on a normal day.
Sadly, I don't have any if those issues you listed, Dialer usage and such even with CM7. Used to use virtuous sense but went over to AOSP/CM7 instead. Found AOSP being more nicer on the battery, but that's just my feeling - I tend to think Sense drains more battery.

Yeah I think sense is a bit worse on the battery but I've really come to love sense, never really got on with cyanogen roms.
Turns out I was wrong about the data always on and my provider, it all works so I'll keep testing that before I start with roms.
I know mugen batteries are supposed to be good, any other recommendations for brands? I'll check the link out.
UPDATE: If battery monitor is to be believed, my global standby estimate is increasing with every charge, so maybe it is just a case of breaking the battery in. Now at 21.5hrs, I'll continue to monitor the situation, this might also be due to the change of data setting as well.

[ICS] We need your help... Battery life...

Since the beginning of Android one thing has always been an issue with some of the greatest ROMs.
........................Battery life.
Every day lives are drained away by the pleasures and features of such fantastic ROMs... and such things at time seem so hard to bare that we try to change the lives of our battery by going to a different ROM.
So now you have a chance to make a difference, nay, an opportunity to change the lives of many...
This thread is strictly for how to save Battery life. CM9/AOKP have amazing battery life by themselves (but yet can always be made better) But for those on MIUI (Not so great battery life) this will be really useful.
Understand that everyone's device is different and although you may get 15 hours off MIUI/AOKP/CM9 others may only get 4 from them.
Post what it is that helps you achieve maximum Battery life. You may be the one to solve the cure to wowhowdidmybatterylifedroptwentypercentinanhourosis.
Be sure to include:
1. ROM
2. Kernel
3. Tweaks that have been applied through ClockworkMod
4. Apps used to save life
5. What battery you use
6. How long your life lasts
7. Anything else that you think may help

Eclair
Just Eclair
Any Eclair
Shoot me......
But seriously, disabling 3g on ICS saves a ton of battery life.
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marcusant said:
Eclair
Just Eclair
Any Eclair
Shoot me......
But seriously, disabling 3g on ICS saves a ton of battery life.
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Uhhh,,,on ANY ROM...but not a practical solution.
I think the OP is looking for more practical solutions where they are not disabling major features of the smartphone.

kennysvgp08 said:
Be sure to include:
1. ROM
2. Kernel
3. Tweaks that have been applied through ClockworkMod
4. Apps used to save life
5. What battery you use
6. How long your life lasts
7. Anything else that you think may help
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1. CM9, although i think aokp does better.
2. Samurai Kernel, although just about any other ICS kernel should help. The biggest thing that you can change between kernels is the Governor and I/O depending on these two will determine how the CPU runs and in effect will determine battery life. Conservative is just about the best for battery life. If you need slickness and not too worried about battery Ondemand. If you want the best of both worlds i Think Wheatly is a good compromise. Also I/O , Sio is "simple" but VR is flash based so it tends to be the best. Otherwise Noop/Deadline. Also voltage.. undervolting will help limit the amount of well voltage to the CPU. So the lower you can get it the better.
3. Dont have tweaks i apply through CWM but i Run the V6 Supercharger, 3G turbocharger(optional), and the Kick Ass Kernelizer from Zeppelin.
4. I cannot stress this enough, Apps that say they save battery... run... which uses RAM and Resources... meaning its running trying to save you battery, Using battery. Which is stupid... and useless.
5. I have two a 3500Mah and the stock 1.5 year old 1500mah.
6. Typically with 3 hours of display over a period of 15hours (1500 mah) and around 5 hours of display over a period of 22 hours (3500 mah). However this is on wifi, 3g would deduct these a pretty good amount if you have sucky speeds.

He needs to get over it... lol. The only thing that truly saves battery life is managing your connections. There is no magic bullet unfortunately.

PLEASE! Don't tell us to turn off data and never sync the phone. Obviously if you don't use the phone the battery will last forever. I need a phone that can do the following:
Receive emails and texts as they are sent. (I use exchange push)
Last 18 hours on a standard or 1800 mAh battery.
I can just barely make that with stock FC09, I'd love to run ICS but with either CM9 or AOKP I barely make 10 hours.

schnowdapowda said:
He needs to get over it... lol. The only thing that truly saves battery life is managing your connections. There is no magic bullet unfortunately.
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Why must people post unhelpful comments such as the one above? I don't understand the logic there...
anyways since this was aimed at miui I get pretty good battery life with it... (3.5 hours screen on time) nyan v5 ftw! No special features... uv a lot (won't list my settings cuz every phone is different) and no oc... used to use jd but, it saves more battery if you just switch things off manually... really though until I flashed nyan my battery life was atrocious, but now just about on par with the peoples rom (4.5 to 5 hours screen on time!) Oh yeah, all this with the stock battery...

poit said:
PLEASE! Don't tell us to turn off data and never sync the phone. Obviously if you don't use the phone the battery will last forever. I need a phone that can do the following:
Receive emails and texts as they are sent. (I use exchange push)
Last 18 hours on a standard or 1800 mAh battery.
I can just barely make that with stock FC09, I'd love to run ICS but with either CM9 or AOKP I barely make 10 hours.
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On aokp with 1800 mAh i can do about 3Hours of screen on time and 15 Hours of battery life and my phone was awake 75% of the time.
Screenie was at 15%
This was stock Everything Except ROM haha

XxLostSoulxX said:
On aokp with 1800 mAh i can do about 3Hours of screen on time and 15 Hours of battery life and my phone was awake 75% of the time.
Screenie was at 15%
This was stock Everything Except ROM haha
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Think about if your screen was on while the device was awake..your time would be cut in half
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Oh my good golly gosh.
I just realized the best battery life I ever got was on DK28.
So take that. Let's go Frankenstein.
1. CM9 KANG June 02 build.
2. Stock
3. Services for V6 and Search Key Remap
4. Ha!
5. Stock. Came with device...need new one.
6. Depends on use. But I usually get the estimated six hours consistently.
7. If you're going to use a task killer just use the built in one. Overclocking is bad, and in my experience so is undervolting. GTalk, official Facebook application(especially this. Even with notifications off it still is always going), G+, and more are always running and are a drain. No live wallpapers, and no widgets that require constant updating. As much black as possible. Don't use third-party batteries. Obviously turning off 3G, 4G, sync, and such will dramatically increase your battery life.
WAIT! Why am I writing this? There is a freaking optimization guide. Why does this exist? For ****s sake.

Running AOKP build 36, stock, FC09 modem 15 hours running takes me down to 50% batt hour of screen time, constant crappy wifi connection in an area with crappy cell signal sync for everything but email and g chat is every 2 hours (weather and all that). Big thing to save batt for me was turning down my screen brightness. I was also getting crappy battery life till i let this rom install run the battery down to 5% twice.

flastnoles11 said:
Why must people post unhelpful comments such as the one above? I don't understand the logic there...
anyways since this was aimed at miui I get pretty good battery life with it... (3.5 hours screen on time) nyan v5 ftw! No special features... uv a lot (won't list my settings cuz every phone is different) and no oc... used to use jd but, it saves more battery if you just switch things off manually... really though until I flashed nyan my battery life was atrocious, but now just about on par with the peoples rom (4.5 to 5 hours screen on time!) Oh yeah, all this with the stock battery...
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By no means was I saying never enable your 3g/4g.. but the fact remains that the single best way to conserve your battery life is to be smart about managing your connections. I.e. not leaving it on ALL day and to only turn sync on when your actually checking your e-mail.. be that through an app like juice defender or manually toggling. If that's not more helpful than what you posted (UV a lot and don't overclock??? Duh.) than my bad bro!

darkierawr said:
Oh my good golly gosh.
I just realized the best battery life I ever got was on DK28.
So take that. Let's go Frankenstein.
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Something we can all get behind here... I remember I used to get 24+ hours on froyo w/o customs kernels. Le sigh..

ÜBER™ put's it pretty well.
ÜBER™ said:
1. CM9, although i think aokp does better.
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-CM9 still seems cleaner, but AOKP seems better.
ÜBER™ said:
2. Samurai Kernel, although just about any other ICS kernel should help. The biggest thing that you can change between kernels is the Governor and I/O depending on these two will determine how the CPU runs and in effect will determine battery life. Conservative is just about the best for battery life. If you need slickness and not too worried about battery Ondemand. If you want the best of both worlds i Think Wheatly is a good compromise. Also I/O , Sio is "simple" but VR is flash based so it tends to be the best. Otherwise Noop/Deadline. Also voltage.. undervolting will help limit the amount of well voltage to the CPU. So the lower you can get it the better.
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-Spot on.
ÜBER™ said:
3. Dont have tweaks i apply through CWM but i Run the V6 Supercharger, 3G turbocharger(optional), and the Kick Ass Kernelizer from Zeppelin.
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-I don't use the supercharger, but I do apply the same oom ram mods. These help close unused apps when they exceed the applied limit. Based on my experience, it's kept apps under control.
ÜBER™ said:
4. I cannot stress this enough, Apps that say they save battery... run... which uses RAM and Resources... meaning its running trying to save you battery, Using battery. Which is stupid... and useless.
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-THIS +9000! An app that spends all of it's time stopping other apps is wasting just as much "battery." I maintain, Advanced Task Killer, with NO, I repeat NO AUTOKILL. Set a widget on your home page, tap it occasionally to make sure everything is closed. Same effect as the built in task manager, but one single convenient tap.
ÜBER™ said:
5. I have two a 3500Mah and the stock 1.5 year old 1500mah.
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-I use two stock 1500mah batteries and one 3500mah. My wife has the same. All are about 1.5 years old now.
ÜBER™ said:
6. Typically with 3 hours of display over a period of 15hours (1500 mah) and around 5 hours of display over a period of 22 hours (3500 mah). However this is on wifi, 3g would deduct these a pretty good amount if you have sucky speeds.
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-These numbers are pretty much the same for me. I almost always average 3 hours display on the stock battery between games and internet. 5-6 hours on the 3500, but I'm pretty sure it's not reaaallly the 3500mah it claims to be... . I NEVER turn off wifi or 3G, but google autosync is off until I edit my contacts.

schnowdapowda said:
By no means was I saying never enable your 3g/4g.. but the fact remains that the single best way to conserve your battery life is to be smart about managing your connections. I.e. not leaving it on ALL day and to only turn sync on when your actually checking your e-mail.. be that through an app like juice defender or manually toggling. If that's not more helpful than what you posted (UV a lot and don't overclock??? Duh.) then my bad bro!
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I don't turn off my connections at all and get great battery life... and seens how the op states don't say anything about disabling 3g or anything id say your comment was the least helpful on the thread... but at least you tried... don't get into a battle of witts with me, I'm afraid your unarmed...

flastnoles11 said:
I don't turn off my connections at all and get great battery life... and seens how the op states don't say anything about disabling 3g or anything id say your comment was the least helpful on the thread... but at least you tried... don't get into a battle of witts with me, I'm afraid your unarmed...
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Firstly, I'm not trying to get into a pissing match with you. Its pointless. Secondly, the op makes no mention whatsoever of connection status. Thirdly, while you might get decent battery life w/o doing it.. I guarantee you'd do better if you did. Straight facts.
Edit: I am armed. With a small slide out keyboard.

Please follow the format specified by the OP. List the 7 items. Bickering in this thread will not be tolerated.
Thank you for your cooperation
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kennysvgp08 said:
Be sure to include:
1. ROM
2. Kernel
3. Tweaks that have been applied through ClockworkMod
4. Apps used to save life
5. What battery you use
6. How long your life lasts
7. Anything else that you think may help
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1. CM9
2.ShadowKernel (I find nyan colonel to be a little more draining) SIO, conservative
3. None
4.System Tuner Pro configured to UV, under clock to 400mhz on screen off, to close apps that don't automatically restart themselves, configure "auto-kill" so its not as aggressive with killing apps that just stay on, and a few sysctrl edits that I honestly don't think make a difference.
5.stock epic 1500 mAh, my sprint store wouldn't give me an sgsII battery
6. 12-18 hrs depending on use, though it has definitely drained quicker
7.be easy on data! (There kennyG) turn off wifi when your not near your networks, turn off mobile data, Bluetooth, and autosync when your not needing it. (Unless you absolutely need PUSH email for your job or whatever though honestly as far as my job goes if its important enough for me to need the message immediately they will simply dial my phone number. Yeah I'm old fashioned.

- Cm9
- Shadow kernel
- No tweaks
-1800 D710 battery
- I get 15-20 hours depending on how much music I stream during the day.
- I got the biggest boost by using the profiles in CM9 to optimize my connections and syncing depending on where I'm at during the day. I have Wifi at work and home, so I have it toggle my data off during that time period and vice versa when I'm mobile.
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Using AOKP with shadow kernel.
Best thing I did to help with battery life was to turn off all notification options in the FB app. And I set haxsync to download photos only when plugged in.
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