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hello guys,
i'm currently not sure about what i'm thinking, my Desire HD order will probably arrive at 15th November, and the new phone is going to be announced at the 8th... so should i cancel my order and wait for the new Samsung phone? or keep waiting??
i dont even want to wait for the releasing period for the new Samsung, which i think i may get it by December???!!!!
oh God
im in the exact situation! but this is what i plan on doing.
Keep my order, get the desire and play around with it. I'll see what Samsung announce, if it's much better and a worthy upgrade from the DHD then i'll put it up on eBay. Im sure i won't make much of a loss selling it there. Some people pay crazy money
But ultimatly what's most important to me is root, and if the devs here can't crack the DHD's protection, then i'll have little choice but to sell and get the N2.
Wren nexus one was released the phone was available the same day as the announcement. There has been talk that google will be selling it direct again this time round though I m not convinced it ll be on the same day. However, there shouldn't be long wait like DHD.
Personally I m not sure if it ll be a better phone, as I hated everything there is about Galaxy S. It ll basically be Gingerbread vs almighty DHD on Froyo, assuming HTC won't be bothered to update DHD to gingerbread any time soon. I m sticking with DHD for now unless Samsung has real trick up it's sleeve this time. I find it hard to convince myself to put up with another dreadful Galaxy S alike experience.
Sigh.. Only if HTC is more ethusiatic about it's software upgrade and Motorola is more keen about Android...
Sansung's got really nice hardware(only nice in figures) but their system craps,will think about it if it will get a none plastic-like surface and system designed by google itself.
So far the news ive read tell that in terms of hardware its not good, it will be more of a developer test machine since it brings 2.3.
I think Google is committing suicide by letting Samsung handle Nexus Two
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- Stock Google Android 2.3 (Gingerbread)- 1.2 GHz processor (mostly overclocked Hummingbird or may be different model)
- 4 inch AMOLED display (Could be Super-AMOLED version)
- 5 megapixel camera with autofocus and HD video capture, front-facing camera
- 512 MB RAM, 16 GB internal storage
- Support for multiple carriers
- All the usuals like WiFi, Bluetooth, 3.5 mm headset jack, etc.
- Outer casing is a mix of metal and plastic materials
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I had a Nexus that was stolen from me, god how i miss that phone
As a replacement i am getting the Desire HD through the insurance i had on the Nexus.
However having been on the gravy train that is Android Dev phones (G1 & Nexus one) i must say that the Desire HD doesn't seem to be a worthy upgrade from the nexus, i was pretty psyched in the beginning about the Desire HD but the more i learn about it the less it appeals to me.
The screen isn't Amoled; the touch sensor isn't unlimited like i assume it will be on the Nexus two (Galaxy S :Atmel maXtouchsensor),
The battery is not 1500mha - honestly even if the cpu is much more power efficient than the old generation cpu's why not throw in a bigger battery?
And no front facing camera which in itself isn't a deal breaker but cmon, its not like we are buying budget phones here anyways...
As already mentioned possibly only one software upgrade during it's life time which to be honest is quite average however Google Dev phones always has the latest & greatest.
Not to bash on the Desire HD, but honestly its just a EVO with a new CPU minus the frontfacing camera and kickstand.
I will most probably test out the Desire HD and and change to Nexus Two if it seems better in some of these aspects.
Evo 4G is prettier, i would change from a DHD to a Evo 4G or incredible HDin a snap if it wasnt not being able to use it in europe. Why HTC only makes good phones for the US ?! Why are we treated like **** !?
you might as well ask why did the us implement WCDMA or 4G while the rest of the world is stil 3.5G (even in Japan..i think)??
they cater to the specific market needs.
same as Japanese mobile carriers, they only produced their phones for their markets in consideration only.
which is why they are highly sought for
LeviathanPT said:
Evo 4G is prettier, i would change from a DHD to a Evo 4G or incredible HDin a snap if it wasnt not being able to use it in europe. Why HTC only makes good phones for the US ?! Why are we treated like **** !?
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thats just your opinion of things
Europe get the release first for nearly all HTC phones.
the US get rebranded versions. they also get some different phones because they use rubbish CDMA technology.
people hating on the desire hd, if you own one/owned one and played with it and made the comments fair enough. until then you have no right what so ever to "review" a phone you haven't used.
i own one for over a week and i have to say its a great phone.
the phone does have root,be it temporary at the moment but things have to start from somewhere. i don't see the average user like some people here trying to obtain root, but moan and demand it.
i don't see the nexus two being an all awesome phone. the nexus one's bootloader got unlocked with 1 click because it was a development phone but it voided the warranty. how many people are going to risk that with a samsung built device?
SupremeBeaver said:
im in the exact situation! but this is what i plan on doing.
Keep my order, get the desire and play around with it. I'll see what Samsung announce, if it's much better and a worthy upgrade from the DHD then i'll put it up on eBay. Im sure i won't make much of a loss selling it there. Some people pay crazy money
But ultimatly what's most important to me is root, and if the devs here can't crack the DHD's protection, then i'll have little choice but to sell and get the N2.
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absolutely my thinking. I already have the DHD, but if the protection cannot be unlocked, and the specs of the "Nexus two" are OK/confirmed, I have not choice as to sell the DHD. Having had the Nexus One (and still owning it), I am no longer tolerating manufacturers lock-downs! That is a no-go for me nowadays.
Plus: I HATE the speaker on the DHD - (same XXX as on the nexus one). And I really have a bad feeling about these plastic covers on the DHD (only a matter of time until they wear out).
If the "nexus two" has a decent design and better materials (less plastic than the iphone-look-alike Galaxy S), my decision is made...
Yes that's true but im talking in terms of quality, look at the Incredible HD (desire hd for US) and look how perfect it is compared with the Desire HD
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people hating on the desire hd, if you own one/owned one and played with it and made the comments fair enough. until then you have no right what so ever to "review" a phone you haven't used.
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Review ?! What the freaking hell, im talking in terms of product Quality/Design, from every single review and comment ive read theres flaws with the design of the Desire HD, look at EVO 4G and Incredible HD they are brilliant, the EVO 4G came up before the Desire HD any decent company would grab their design and improve it, not make it more ridiculous.
Ive ordered a Desire HD since the day 2 of its announcement then amazon screwed their customers and now im waiting on handtec 3rd shipment so you cant say im a anti Desire HD... freaking fanboys are starting already...
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Speculation so far:
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- Stock Google Android 2.3 (Gingerbread)- 1.2 GHz processor (mostly overclocked Hummingbird or may be different model)
- 4 inch AMOLED display (Could be Super-AMOLED version)
- 5 megapixel camera with autofocus and HD video capture, front-facing camera
- 512 MB RAM, 16 GB internal storage
- Support for multiple carriers
- All the usuals like WiFi, Bluetooth, 3.5 mm headset jack, etc.
- Outer casing is a mix of metal and plastic materials
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512? dont think so...
DHD already has 786. and 1GB will be required for 3.x
1GB ?! :| What the hell where have you read that ?! Link please!
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1GB ?! :| What the hell where have you read that ?! Link please!
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i havent.
its what i would expect from it.
Hey, even Windows 7 can run on 1 gb of memory
Android 3.0 will run on lot less.
hard choise, n2 doesnt exist yet.
btw...I'd rather buy a google experience with a huge screen. actually, the only reason I didnt buy a galaxyS so far, is it's samsung software and the lack of a flash-led. DHD...I dislike how htc managed it
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people hating on the desire hd, if you own one/owned one and played with it and made the comments fair enough. until then you have no right what so ever to "review" a phone you haven't used.
i own one for over a week and i have to say its a great phone.
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I've had the DHD for 5 days and to be honest I'm underwhelmed. I have the regular Desire and the DHD isn't that big of an upgrade. I'm not saying it's a bad phone, just that it's only a little better than the Desire. except speaker is no better than the Desire, infact I find it slightly quieter. Big screen is great if that's what you want, but AMOLED on Desire is more vivid an there seems to be a little motion blur at times.
No problem with proxomity sensor or plastic covers here btw.
I'm going to sell my DHD and wait for something a bit better.
ppxda said:
I've had the DHD for 5 days and to be honest I'm underwhelmed. I have the regular Desire and the DHD isn't that big of an upgrade. I'm not saying it's a bad phone, just that it's only a little better than the Desire. except speaker is no better than the Desire, infact I find it slightly quieter. Big screen is great if that's what you want, but AMOLED on Desire is more vivid an there seems to be a little motion blur at times.
No problem with proxomity sensor or plastic covers here btw.
I'm going to sell my DHD and wait for something a bit better.
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OK - please share what did you expect DHD to be? Please tell me what evolutionary leap could be achieved in about six monts? And enough of the AMOLED thing! HTC are absolutely right not to put themselves dependant on one supplier that also happens to be their competitor. And when (not if) they are forced to switch to another technology, they will have to take the blame for it. Fool me once - shame on you, fool me twice - shame on me. You get bigger screen, more RAM and ROM, better camera, next gen CPU... what else can be desired in six months of evolution? 2GHz CPU? Not gonna happen! I personally would like from the phone to cook and clean, but that also woun't happen .
Been using Nexus One, near the beginning when it came out. Other than the poor speakers and the multi-touch issue, it served me well. To this date, nothing seems to be worth upgrading to. At first, LG optimus 2 seemed an ideal upgrade, but still wasn't "interesting" enough.
Watching CES, this Motrolla Atrix, has really caught my attention.
For those not up to date on it, here are some vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x7omSTSzl8
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=motorolla+atrix&aq=f
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/06/motorola-atrix-4g-hd-multimedia-dock-and-laptop-dock-hands-on/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/07/nvidia-shows-off-tegra-2-gameplay-on-atrix-4g-and-optimus-2x/ EDIT *** Found it ***
Front/back facing camera, tegra 2 dual core, 1gb ram, 1930 mAh battery (WOW?!),, HSPDA+, good screen resolution. But, most importantly, that desktop app looks amazing. This is the first phone, since Nexus 1, which I felt was made to get market share rather than profit, in that, they really tried not skimping out on ANYTHING (I guess though retrospectively, HTC did on MT/speakers). I mean, the only thing I could see which could have been improved on this phone is 8MP camera instead of 5MP, but that difference is so minor imo.
I don't have the video, but it showed an nvidia zone - for apps which take advantage of tegra 2, which showed off a lot of cool multiplayer games, which you can play online against console owners (PS3/XboxLive) as well as fellow tegra-2 based mobile phones, which was neat.
This may be the phone, which I will upgrade to, when I decide to do so, or it will be an iphone 5(though never have used an iphone). Orion may be the better chip, when released, but the Nvidia zone thingy on CES sold me this over the Orion chip.
In order:
1) Motorola Atrix --- the TOP phone of CES. 1GB of Ram, 1930mAh Battery, HSPA+, Laptop dock, Dual core etc...
2) LG Optimus 2x / Droid Bionic --- HDMI mirroring is an insane ability for a phone to have, allow you to play any game emulator on a big screen TV with your phone and a wiimote
3) G-slate / Xoom tablets --- Honeycomb has tons of eye candy and looks great. Cant wait to try these out in the store.
Now while these things interest me, probably won't be enough to get me to give up my $40/mo Nexus 1
I believe the Atrix also has HDMI mirroring, correct?
ma2k5 said:
I believe the Atrix also has HDMI mirroring, correct?
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From the videos and things I read about it the Atrix doesn't have pure HDMI mirroring by just plugging in a cable. I could easily be wrong though since theres not even an official review. I hope I'm wrong
Disappointed by HTC. Same old processor and battery improvement only slightly.
I agree that Motorola Atrix is the best phone so far, followed closely by the LG Optimus 2x and then the Samsung Infuse.
Why god did you make the Atrix on AT&T?
I been running my n1 on ATT so when I saw MOTO atrix I was all giddy. This is a monster. I think I will trade my n1 for that. But that's if I can pry off my n1 out of my hands. It will be tough but clearly its the best phone that can replace my n1. I am just glad I never used my upgrade on a iPhone. Lol. So so happy. I guess I now have to stay with ATT.
Oh yeah laptop dock and the application is so sick.
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Oddly enough, the Sony Experia Arc. It like the UI and the design of it.
I really want to see the LG Optimus Black's display.
Honeycomb's UI looks pretty exciting and the tablets actually look good. Can't wait to try out a tablet that doesn't scream, "Giant Smartphone!"
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In order:
1) Motorola Atrix --- the TOP phone of CES. 1GB of Ram, 1930mAh Battery, HSPA+, Laptop dock, Dual core etc...
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Totally agree and since I have been using an AT&T Nexus this is perfect.
The screen is bigger than Nexus 4" vice 3.7", but the Atrix phone is smaller and thinner and a few grams heavier than the Nexus
Like the three docks but wish it had the docking pins like the Nexus
Overall I can't wait to get my hands on it.
Edit: wish it was LTE compatible, seems that is going to be a weak point for this phone.
This sucks I am really looking forward to something that is decent on tmo.. I love my bill with tmo and am just looking for something decent which we all knew the "S" wasn't. CES has not had anything that looks good for tmo yet.. besides tablets..
Some key differences between the Atrix and the 2X that noone has been talking about yet is the better quality cameras on the 2X. The back camera is an 8mp and personally I miss my 8mp smartphones. I haven't had one since I traded my Omnia HD for my beloved N1. Also the 2X has a 1.3mp front cam which is the least amount of megapixels I'd accept if I were to do video calling in any kind of frequent capacity. Now on the Atrix side, they have obviously the webtop and desktop applications, but also it has an amazing screen resolution of 540X960, comparable to the 640X960 retina display of the iphone. My only take away from the Atrix is the front camera only being a simple vga cam, that couldn't possibly look good on the other side. When it comes down to me personally, they both offer what I want at the core, the Tegra 2. So my decision will be made up by which one will work once I snatch it away to use on T-mobile's 4G network.
Sent using my N1, rooted. w/ HTC Sense.
This is a big thumbs up and the main reson I was holding out for a new phone. Just can't wait until the rest of the dual cores come out. Now I know for sure that Google released a dead duck with the nexus s compared to the Motorola. The spec makes it a monster and a true upgrade.
who said it's not LTE compatible? everything I see says atrix 4g?
How hard is it going to be to load ROMs on this moto? I don't follow the moto forums at all, but doesn't moto go to great lengths to lock their stuff down?
This is for AT&T and has motoblur, I have tmob so looks like I am still stuck with the Nexus One
Motorola xoom was the highlight. Smartphones didn't impress me much. I'm happy with the nexus one.
But the xoom tablet won me as soon as I could see those tron style astethics.
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Xoom is pure amazingness in my opinion... finally a tablet that looks futuristic and fun to play with... the iphone is so bland and has no compatibility, i feel like it is completely disconnected from the world and all the new tabs like the GS tabs (played with one at tmobile) feel just like an enlarged version of my nexus or an ipad wannabe... yuck
the Atrix literally made my jaw hit the floor... those docking capabilities are EXACTLY what i want my phone to be able to do... I think i said in another thread (n1 end of life thread?) about how i would like to dock my phone up and turn it into my pc... granted not play super intensive games like my desktop currently does but give me the feel that i always have my computer at the palm of my hands... and the laptop dock looked sick too, i wonder how much that puppy is going to cost haha
Treikens said:
Some key differences between the Atrix and the 2X that noone has been talking about yet is the better quality cameras on the 2X. The back camera is an 8mp and personally I miss my 8mp smartphones. I haven't had one since I traded my Omnia HD for my beloved N1. Also the 2X has a 1.3mp front cam which is the least amount of megapixels I'd accept if I were to do video calling in any kind of frequent capacity. Now on the Atrix side, they have obviously the webtop and desktop applications, but also it has an amazing screen resolution of 540X960, comparable to the 640X960 retina display of the iphone. My only take away from the Atrix is the front camera only being a simple vga cam, that couldn't possibly look good on the other side. When it comes down to me personally, they both offer what I want at the core, the Tegra 2. So my decision will be made up by which one will work once I snatch it away to use on T-mobile's 4G network.
Sent using my N1, rooted. w/ HTC Sense.
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VGA front cam is not too bad, for videos at least. Aren't DVD movies at VGA resolution? DVD movies look great on old TVs. I'm pretty sure it will look fine on a 4" screen. I hope...
the news that got me pretty excited is samsung's new super amoled plus screen. the pentile pixels are gone! pixels go from 8 on the old S-AMOLED up to 12 on S-AMOLED plus. pure awesomeness sharp text.
Treikens said:
Some key differences between the Atrix and the 2X that noone has been talking about yet is the better quality cameras on the 2X. The back camera is an 8mp and personally I miss my 8mp smartphones. I haven't had one since I traded my Omnia HD for my beloved N1. Also the 2X has a 1.3mp front cam which is the least amount of megapixels I'd accept if I were to do video calling in any kind of frequent capacity. Now on the Atrix side, they have obviously the webtop and desktop applications, but also it has an amazing screen resolution of 540X960, comparable to the 640X960 retina display of the iphone. My only take away from the Atrix is the front camera only being a simple vga cam, that couldn't possibly look good on the other side. When it comes down to me personally, they both offer what I want at the core, the Tegra 2. So my decision will be made up by which one will work once I snatch it away to use on T-mobile's 4G network.
Sent using my N1, rooted. w/ HTC Sense.
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You're wrong on your strict assumptions. I have both a EVO 4G + iPhone 4 (as well as a N1). The EVO has a 8MP + 1.x MP FFC and the iPhone has 5MP + VGA. Simply put, the iPhone takes much better photos for both the front and back. The front facing cam is especially better, the EVO seems to have a really poor sensor for the FFC -- so MP != quality. Of course this doesn't mean that the Atrix cams are better but it's something to wait on before making assumptions.
To me the Atrix wins by a land slide. Better resolution, probably double the RAM, double the internal storage, plus a battery that's about 25% bigger. It's also HSPA+ and AT&T recently announced that they've already upgraded their entire 3G network to HSPA+. But it seems like you are stuck with T-Mo so you shouldn't even be looking at the Atrix anyway.
jbrinkley said:
who said it's not LTE compatible? everything I see says atrix 4g?
How hard is it going to be to load ROMs on this moto? I don't follow the moto forums at all, but doesn't moto go to great lengths to lock their stuff down?
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Atrix is HSPA+.
I tried the Atrix and HTC Inspire in-store, and while I absolutely want an upgrade, I'm not convinced either is good enough, and am looking beyond to the next wave of Android phones on AT&T, unless nothing better is coming anytime soon.
I am subject to an odd process where I put in for an upgrade now and will get approval in four months, at which point I get to choose a new phone, which means I merely need to know that a phone I want will be available four months from now. If a good phone is coming in 5 or 6 months, it makes sense to wait, otherwise, I can put in now and see, four months from now, if the Atrix's bootloader has been smashed to hell and good custom ROMs are available, and if not, get an Inspire.
So, what good-looking Android phone are here or on the way. Here's what I've been able to determine, with pros and cons:
Motorola Atrix
Available Now
Pros:
Dual core 1 GHz Tegra 2
1 GB RAM
Fingerprint scanner
Front-facing camera
"4"G
HDMI out
Giant battery - 1930 mAh
16 GB internal memory
Highest resolution screen - 540 x 960
Gorilla Glass
Cons:
Past experience with AT&T says that custom ROMs will be few and far between
Froyo (and lack of ROMs means we can't fix this ourselves)
Slow webtop experience (we can't, yet, fix ourselves)
Internet speeds were terrible in store
4-inch screen (not necessarily a bad thing, but a point to consider)
HTC Inspire
Available Now
Pros:
4.3-inch screen (bigger than the Atrix)
HTC (ROMs galore!)
8 Megapixel camera (Atrix has 5)
Cons:
No front camera
Much smaller battery - 1230 mAh
4 GB internal memory
1 GHz Snapdragon single core processor
768 MB RAM
Lower screen resolution than the Atrix - 480 x 800
Lousy speakerphone
No HDMI
Samsung Infuse
Available Mid-2011
Pros:
1.2 GHz Hummingbird (single core, but faster)
8 Megapixel camera with 1080p video
Front facing camera - 1.3 Megapixels (four times the Atrix)
Super AMOLED Plus screen
Decent battery (1750 mAH)
As flashable as any Samsung (much better than Motorola)
16 GB internal memory
Cons:
4.5 inch screen (tablet territory, some may love it)
Lower screen resolution than the Atrix - 480 x 800
Only one core
RAM unknown
LG Optimus 2X
Availability: Who knows?
Pros:
Tegra 2, like the Atrix
Decent 1500 mAH battery
HDMI out
Gyroscope
Cons:
No carriers announced
8 GB internal memory
Samsung Galaxy S2
Availability: Q2
Pros:
Ships with Gingerbread
Exynos 1 GHz dual core processor
4.3-inch Super AMOLED Plus display with Gorilla Glass
16 GB internal memory, 32 GB on some models
8 Megapixel camera with 1080p video and image stabilization
Front facing camera - 2 megapixels, almost 7X the Atrix
Gyroscope
Excellent 1630 mAH battery (no Atrix, but pretty good)
Quad core GPU
NFC (some versions)
HDMI out
Bluetooth 3.0
Cons:
Lower resolution than the Atrix - 480x800
Not yet announced for AT&T (but probably coming)
Looking at all that, I'm thinking that the best bet is that the only true Atrix competitor is the S2, and assume that it will come out mide July, like the Captivate. I can put in for an upgrade in late March, which should give the S2 enough time to come to market and be reviewed, plus the Atrix to hopefully get some ROMs, and make the call.
Are there any other phones worth looking forward to? Is there any other reason to choose the Inspire or Infuse, or to not put my chips on the Atrix or Infuse?
There is always going to be a group of new phones coming out soon. I'd say just pick the one you like the most at the time. If something else you can't live without comes out in a few months (and it will) just sell the phone you bought to cover most of the out of contract price of your next one.
I returned my Inspire to get the Atrix so that's where I stand there.
I would never buy another Samsung Android device unless the show a commitment to upgrading. They tend to just want you to buy the next phone instead.
LG Optimus looks nice, but I hate LG phones so I'd stay away. Generally poor build quality and software.
These questions may be better answered in the General forum, not the Atrix specific General forum.
In here you are limiting your population to people that are looking about Atrix specific stuff.
I'm typing this on my inspire. Saying that, I love it a lot. It is my first android, and in my opinion probably the best way to enter it.
My only complaint is the battery. Even being small, it does power management well and lasts longer than my dads iphone 3gs. (maybe some debate if that's froyo I guess)
With rooting/roms, I'm sure I could make the battery last longer by removing bloat ware and stuff.
the way I see it, phones are out matched months after they come out. Better phones will be developed even after phones are announced. That's what competition does to technology. So why torture yourself thinking about what MAY come out, when months later better suff will be out.
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Good points all around.
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These questions may be better answered in the General forum, not the Atrix specific General forum.
In here you are limiting your population to people that are looking about Atrix specific stuff.
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Perhaps. I guess what I'm really asking is that, now that the Atrix is available and people have tried it out, do they still want the Atrix, or is it worth waiting just a couple more months?
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There is always going to be a group of new phones coming out soon.
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antioch216 said:
the way I see it, phones are out matched months after they come out. Better phones will be developed even after phones are announced. That's what competition does to technology. So why torture yourself thinking about what MAY come out, when months later better suff will be out.
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Absolutely. I think that what it comes down to is:
The Atrix got us all very excited, but the excitement is fading under a number of negatives:
1 - terrible pricing on the dock and tethering policy
2 - Motorola's pointless signing of the bootloader, which only removes value from the device
3 - the laptop dock has a lot of dissapointments (touchpad, speed)
On the other hand, the Atrix is still an incredible phone, and it goes us excited for some great reasons:
1 - killer processor
2 - huge battery
3 - unique features (docks, fingerprint reader)
4 - somewhat rare features (front facing camera, lots of internal [non-MicroSD] storage, HDMI out)
What makes it tough is the Galaxy S2, which doesn't have the unique features, but has everything else the Atrix has and more
Vs. Atrix:
Atrix negatives:
2 - Samsung's are easier to load custom ROMs on
Atrix positives:
1 - Also has a killer processor, one that, when tested, could even beat the Atrix
2 - Larger than average battery
4 - better rare features (better front facing camera, more internal storage
And its own positives:
1 - better camera
2 - Super AMOLED plus screen (amazing bright colors, lower power usage)
3 - bigger screen
4 - Gyroscope
5 - 1080p video
And just one known negative:
1 - Lower resolution screen
So, what this thread should really be is:
Do you still want the Atrix, or do you plan on waiting just 5 months for the Galaxy S2?
My upgrade date is in three days, I'm hoping that they'll crack the bootloader issue for the atrix pretty soon, I will not buy the phone without it.
The only real con I see for the Atrix is the lack of an LTE radio on it, if you get one you'll be stuck with it for the next two years ( unless you want to pay full price ) and LTE should be up and running ( in some areas ) in that time frame.
Even though I've been an ATT customer for 8 years I hold no loyalty to them, I'm waiting for more info to come on the HTC " pyramid " and could switch to T-Mobile if that phone has a bigger battery than the pathetic things that HTC puts in them now. We all know HTC seems to be the devs favorite brand and CM would positively fly on a dual core phone.
After owning a Craptivate I wont even consider another Samsung phone. I don't care how impressive the specs are Samsung will find a way to screw it up. If you don't like the Atrix then just wait a few months for the next great HTC phone. The Inspire is nice, but it' s just a lightly upgraded Evo and cant compete with the Atrix.
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After owning a Craptivate I wont even consider another Samsung phone. I don't care how impressive the specs are Samsung will find a way to screw it up. If you don't like the Atrix then just wait a few months for the next great HTC phone. The Inspire is nice, but it' s just a lightly upgraded Evo and cant compete with the Atrix.
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I love HTC, and really wanted my next phone to be an HTC. But I feel like I can't rely on them to bring good hardware to AT&T. My current phone is their Rhodium, and since then I've seen:
Droid Incredible - Looks great, not on AT&T
Desire Z - Great keyboard, not on AT&T
Evo - Kinda special at the time, but not on AT&T
7 Pro - Amazing keyboard, probably never coming to AT&T
Aria - Wonderful phone, my wife loves it, but not for power users
I felt like HTC all of a sudden decided it hated AT&T. Now we've got two new ones:
Inspire - updated Evo, decent but old hat, doesn't stand up to the other phones released at the time
Thunderbolt - slightly better than the Inspire, not coming to AT&T
I hope HTC comes up with something special by summer, but I'm not holding my breath. I am on my fourth consecutive HTC phone, and right now, it looks like my last.
I have a Desire Z and am wondering if the new Xperia pro would be much of an upgrade.
Some things I know I would love about it are hardware buttons, a hole for a lanyard strap (I've dropped my Desire Z twice and scratched it because of lacking this), also the arrow keys may be better than the touchpad too. The camera is obviously going to be way better as it's 8mp xmoor with 720p and a f2.4 lens. It's a little smaller and lighter which I would like.
Things I hope would be better and would be interested in opinions are:
Screen - I'd hope it would be brighter in sunlight with backlit led?
Speed - Think it has a better graphics cpu so should be faster?
Battery life - No idea why it should be but would hope it would be better
Negatives would be:
Sony software - probably a bit crap but cyanogenmod could work around this nicely
Memory - Less internal storage I think?
Further research has suggested performance will be about the same.
Surprised to have a 100 views and no replies. Is there no love for Sony, or do people just not want to consider upgrading from their Desire's yet?
Looks ugly to me. Plus, i doubt it will have any developement. Staying on DZ!
Sent from my Desire Z running @ 2GHZ
xT4Z1N4TRx said:
Looks ugly to me. Plus, i doubt it will have any developement. Staying on DZ!
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I agree, the Xperia Pro looks really dated to me, like something from a few years ago.
Wasn't Sony in the practice of locking the bootloader on past Xperia phones, preventing ROM development? I haven't followed lately, is this still Sony's stance? If so, it sinks the OPs hopes of having CM on this phone.
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Biffy said:
Further research has suggested performance will be about the same.
Surprised to have a 100 views and no replies. Is there no love for Sony, or do people just not want to consider upgrading from their Desire's yet?
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The Xperia Pro specs say MSM8255 CPU @ 1 GHz. So in theory, it should be a bit snappier than the G2 (but not by much). And same amount of memory at 512 Mb. So it seems to be true that its not really much of an upgrade from the G2. Xperia Pro specs seem a little weak for a phone coming out in the next couple months. Most phones are going 1.2 GHz dual core, or more; and with more memory. So no, I would really not spend my money on this as an "upgrade".
Sony phones seem to be decent. I still personally feel that HTC's physical design and build quality is the best out there. And the lack of development on Sony phones can be a real deal breaker.
Personally I'm not too bothered about the looks of a device, more things like features, weight, usability etc.
Regarding CM:
"Users of Sony Ericsson devices have been left out of the CyanogenMod experience for a while now. We are happy to announce that users will be able to enjoy a full-fledged CyanogenMod with nearly full hardware support (we are still working on FM radio) starting in our next release. You can also expect nightly builds and more instructions soon."
Sept 28th 2011
From: http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/sony-ericsson-xperia-support#disqus_thread
I did swear I would never buy another Sony device after having a Vaio P that died in under a year but this is really tempting me.
Even if cm7 worked on a xperia pro, the G2 will blow it out of the water with its 2GHZ overclock!!!!!
Sent from my Desire Z running @ 2GHZ
What if the XP could be overclocked to 2ghz too?
Plus the speed won't affect the quality of the camera / video, having hardware buttons etc.
If I was in your position, I'd wait until next year to roll over with the ~1.5-2ghz dual core lineups. At least with those I can feel confidence in that the tech isn't going anywhere anytime soon, same with core2's on PC right now. There is a point until clock speed difference becomes irrelevant (mhz gains) and it becomes more about chipsets, nm processes like they are doing with the intel core tech.
With a 1ghz, single core to boot, it's kinda like buying the last of the Q4 2010/Q1-Q2 2011 models, like getting a '10 car when the '11 have a new generation lineup, that has changed specifications and model revamps.
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Even if cm7 worked on a xperia pro, the G2 will blow it out of the water with its 2GHZ overclock!!!!!
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They are similar Snapdragon chipsets, the one on the G2 is only factory clocked at 800 MHz versus 1 GHz for the CPU on the Xperia Pro. We can get into a long discussion about the overclockability of one particular chipset model versus another, etc. For instance, there are certain makes of Intel PC processors which are reputed to be highly overclockable. But unless you have reason to think this is the case with the CPU on the G2, you have to consider the fact that the CPU on the Xperia Pro can be clocked just as high, if not higher.
Yes it CAN be overclocked as much...but will it? I dont think so, as i dont think it will get much developement now.
Sent from my Desire Z running @ 2GHZ
My .02,
I owned a sony xperia x10, and I will never look back at sony after owning the DZ. HTC has such a higher build quality, plus gorilla glass screen.
I don't follow sony anymore but the x10 bootloader was locked down and was still locked down 9 months after release when I left it in the dust!
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Hey don't ever get this phone
I've had a mini pro and we never got the gingerbread upgrade and its stock software is so crappy
Just stay with the G2 and wait for the dreamly G3
Stewie just said that!
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Looks ugly to me. Plus, i doubt it will have any developement. Staying on DZ!
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+1! And can't use Android without Sense. That was the reason to buy my first HTC Desire, then DZ.
Well I went from the DZ to the Xperia Pro when I read that the Xperia Pro would get full CM support.
Here's what I like about the Xperia Pro:
GPS is faster
better reception
nicer screen
better camera
lighter
front facing camera (pretty cool with skype)
arrow keys
Here's what I dont like about it:
usb connector at the top (looks stupid when charging)
awkward power button position
notification LED on the side of the phone (also stupid)
i feel that the things i dont like are more like minor inconveniences though
sure, the DZ has nicer materials but the hinge on mine got really loose and i got some scratches on the display even though i was pretty careful. also that metal on the back of the DZ looked like crap in no time because the coating started to flake off.
i thought i would hate sonys customization of android but i actually think its pretty neat. maybe i wont even install CM once its available (yeah i will ).
Interesting comparison GB and thanks for sharing. Although I'm very tempted by the XP I think I might wait for a qwerty device with a higher res larger screen. Although then I'll probably lose some of the nice advantages of the XP like real buttons and better camera.
My friend have bought a brand new HTC evo 3D, powered with qualcomm 8660 1.2 ghz dual core processor. Phone look great, but , trust me, i dont want to change my i9000 for that phone (and probably any HTC). Screen on i9000 look much better(with smaller res 800x480 vs 540x960) , amoled is amoled , multimedia experince is much better on i9000. We tried to play regulary .mkv 720p shakira spot on both phones. Suprisingly htc evo 3d can't play mkv with stock player. Ok, both of us are downloaded bsplayer lite, and mx player from the market, and on the both players htc evo 3d (with hw accel enabled has stuttering problems), but with all players (including stock) on galaxy s video is smothly. Sound in any way is much better on samsung, and video record 720p stutter on evo 3d (fps is unstable) when light condition change, but with samsung this problems do not exist (video is perfectly smooth in any light condition) .Games and Browser on both phones work great, and i cant find big difference. And another thing, evo 3d has 1gb ram (808 mb actually), but he is full of bloaware, and rarely free ram is more than 150mb). this is enough reasons for me to stay this year happy with my sammy, and dont care about ICS, most phones will not get stable ICS before Q3 2012.
Hi 2 all.
wonderful!!!
What rom is your SGS running on? Great to see you so happy!
Galaxy s ftw :d:d
I love my Bell Galaxy S... does everything I want it to and works great.
Rom THS ICS v16
I will use this sucker until my contract runs out in a year/half or until I break it.
Power vr sgx540 ftw !!!
I must agree in some points. But Galaxy S is not a perfect phone. If we had to stick to stock roms then its a really average phone compering to other phones. Display is very nice and sharp, and thats what I like with my Samsung. Other things are more at average ( call quality, browser, camera, lag)
I had a Sony Experia Arc and it was bit better even on a stock rom.
But apart form all the bad and good things is that, you can buy Galaxy S for 150-180Euro ( used ). This can't be beaten, for that price its a best phone on the market right now. Plus you can have ICS on it and there is a big support community.
You may disagree with me. Its my personal opinion.
I have bought this phone after winmobile resistive device, so I have in plans to be with my galaxy s at least when something really different will come again)) For example - something with webtop possibility - like motorola atrix.
I am planning to keep this phone until 2014 It's a great larger sized smartphone.
I will wait for SGS2 port of ICS
Yeah the phone is great, i don't plan to change it soon, there are so many mods/kernel/roms to not get bored.
yeah sgs is still one of the best phones=D lots of roms etc. processor is still enough fast for almost anything
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What do u mean by better, smaller 800*480 vs 960*540 resolution? Lols....higher the better.
I have mine almost 2 years now and it still rocks! Thx to the great community here. Thx guys!
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Its a classic ... hall of fame for cell phones. I'm keeping mine. It might be worth something one day. Wishful thinking lol. Waiting to get the galaxy s 3 tho....
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I came from a Blackberry Curve 8520 (ugh...) to my first Android experience with the SGS, and I couldn't have been happier.
Everything I've ever wanted to do with my phone has worked perfectly, it's definitely fast even today, and when I was finally starting to get (veeery slightly) tired of it 2-3 weeks ago, I found so many ICS builds (I was on GB until then) that only made it better!
It's one hell of a phone, and nowadays you can get it so cheap that I'd still recommend it to people who want an Android phone but don't need the latest, most expensive one with the most cores/RAM.
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My friend have bought a brand new HTC evo 3D, powered with qualcomm 8660 1.2 ghz dual core processor. Phone look great, but , trust me, i dont want to change my i9000 for that phone (and probably any HTC). Screen on i9000 look much better(with smaller res 800x480 vs 540x960) , amoled is amoled , multimedia experince is much better on i9000. We tried to play regulary .mkv 720p shakira spot on both phones. Suprisingly htc evo 3d can't play mkv with stock player. Ok, both of us are downloaded bsplayer lite, and mx player from the market, and on the both players htc evo 3d (with hw accel enabled has stuttering problems), but with all players (including stock) on galaxy s video is smothly. Sound in any way is much better on samsung, and video record 720p stutter on evo 3d (fps is unstable) when light condition change, but with samsung this problems do not exist (video is perfectly smooth in any light condition) .Games and Browser on both phones work great, and i cant find big difference. And another thing, evo 3d has 1gb ram (808 mb actually), but he is full of bloaware, and rarely free ram is more than 150mb). this is enough reasons for me to stay this year happy with my sammy, and dont care about ICS, most phones will not get stable ICS before Q3 2012.
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So you're comparing your phone to your friend's, which still has bloatware and probably a stock ROM.
I love the SGS, but seriously, don't boost it like it can destroy the HTC Evo 3D until your friend actually installs a performance custom ROM on his new phone.
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So you're comparing your phone to your friend's, which still has bloatware and probably a stock ROM.
I love the SGS, but seriously, don't boost it like it can destroy the HTC Evo 3D until your friend actually installs a performance custom ROM on his new phone.
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yes, i say how it look in reality, not paper specification. Everyone know that on paper evo 3d is much better,and yes, i also have stock jvq rom non rooted. Screen on evo 3d (without 3D mode) is nothing special, much better look on our galaxy, and multimedia on evo is poor. I did not say that our phone is best, i know that sgs2 is much better in any way, i just compared this phone with top HTC phone at the moment
Well regardless it's a nice spirit booster... I was just in between the price drop when SGS2 came out... So i i bought the SGS full price but i'm very impressed with it. Running ICS 4.2 and semaphore 9.1.
I was seriously considering upgrading to an SGS2 and compared two different ones to mine as i wanted the benefits of the S2 plus the better screen. But from what I saw although screen resolution was higher on s2 certainly it wasn't as bright and colours didn't Pop like on the galaxy s. Highest brightness setting on s2 also lower than S.
I wanted to buy a new phone a few months ago, untill I discovered custom roms....Now my sgs is as fast as a SGSII wit stock firmware...
I'm going to stick with this untill the SGSIII comes. And if that is not what I hope of it, I will stick with even SGS longer.
As said above, it's an average phone on stock, but with custom roms it's amazing. Only real negative part is the terrible camera and the lack of flash on it.