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A Question For Everyone Here

Why have you chosen the Galaxy or why will you be choosing the Galaxy rather than the Evo? Is the better screen tech your primary reason?
I ask this after being an Evo owner over the past month and now currently testing (playing with) the iPhone 4. I loved the Evo but my unit was defective and so I'm considering getting a new one at the end of July (hoping new batches ship out then) or one of the SGS versions; Verizon, At&t and then T-Mobile in that order is what I'm in favor of as far as which SGS.

AshMa said:
Why have you chosen the Galaxy or why will you be choosing the Galaxy rather than the Evo? Is the better screen tech your primary reason?
I ask this after being an Evo owner over the past month and now currently testing (playing with) the iPhone 4. I loved the Evo but my unit was defective and so I'm considering getting a new one at the end of July (hoping new batches ship out then) or one of the SGS versions; Verizon, At&t and then T-Mobile in that order is what I'm in favor of as far as which SGS.
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Evo 3D power sux, SGS is better eot.

I can't use the EVO 4G because I'm in the UK and we don't have any CDMA networks. Otherwise, I would rather have the EVO 4G for its screen - the Galaxy S' has better contrast, but it has a PenTile matrix, meaning it doesn't have the full complement of the three RGB subpixels per pixel (it only has two), with consequences for sharpness.
For me, it's a decision between the Desire and the Galaxy S, both of which have AMOLED screens, so I can't avoid PenTile. The Galaxy S' screen is definitely better than the Desire's, though, and it also has a better GPU (and, it seems, CPU) and a proper multi-touch digitiser that doesn't get easily confused.

Mithent said:
I can't use the EVO 4G because I'm in the UK and we don't have any CDMA networks. Otherwise, I would rather have the EVO 4G for its screen - the Galaxy S' has better contrast, but it has a PenTile matrix, meaning it doesn't have the full complement of the three RGB subpixels per pixel (it only has two), with consequences for sharpness.
For me, it's a decision between the Desire and the Galaxy S, both of which have AMOLED screens, so I can't avoid PenTile. The Galaxy S' screen is definitely better than the Desire's, though, and it also has a better GPU (and, it seems, CPU) and a proper multi-touch digitiser that doesn't get easily confused.
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Thanks for your input guys! Since you mention the screens, how about the Evo only having 16bit 65K color?

I have yet to choose a new phone but I dumped the EVO after two weeks for three reasons. The 30fps cap, the purple tint, and most importantly the screen only displays 65k colors.
These three were together made me take the phone back.

Supermighty said:
I have yet to choose a new phone but I dumped the EVO after two weeks for three reasons. The 30fps cap, the purple tint, and most importantly the screen only displays 65k colors.
These three were together made me take the phone back.
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All a bit confusing about the Evo now that I look into it bit. Take a look at this post claiming that it's not 16bit: http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g...-million-both-phones-199-a-3.html#post1091681
I'm waiting to have my launch day Evo returned to Radio Shack (manager is trying to get me in past the 30 day mark with his Sprint rep). I thought the screen was beautiful and just had issues with the screen raising and a few others build issues.
I need to touch the Galaxy before I know for sure. The Droid X could have been good but the large bump on the back and that ugly 80's camera flash remind me of how ugly I thought the first Droid keyboard was. I'm sure we have a lot of slick devices coming out later this year but it's already a tough call for what to have right now.......

AshMa said:
... The Droid X could have been good but the large bump on the back and that ugly 80's camera flash remind me of how ugly I thought the first Droid keyboard was.......
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Yep, I don't understand how Moto can keep making such butt-ugly phones. Between the ugly Moto design and the ugly Verizon branding, the Droid X is a phone only a true nerd can love

I had a google nexus, which hardware-wise is pretty simillar to the evo.
The snapdragon processor is pretty good, but samsung's hummingbird is better (and is produced at 45nm, less power consumption)
The real tie-breaker for me was the GPU.
The Adreno200 in the snapdragon SOC is pretty weak, if i need to put it in proportions, the SGX540 in the Galaxy S is around 3 times stronger, possibly even a bit more.
Screen- while the evo's screen is sharper (on paper), 65k colors and low contrast ratio wipe that advantage completely. The difference is just too big.
Now the most important point- the evo is a real battery -hogging monster, it can barely last for a day and a half in very moderate use, while the SGS can probably last for twice the time under the same use.
I'm not too a fan of dragging around chargers and backup batteries, don't know about you.
I'd turn my eyes over to the droid X, better hardware (TI OMAP 1GHZ+SGX530>Qualcomm Snapdragon, any day), better battery time, probably a better camera as well. Motorla made a nice comeback.
I'd make the prime options the Epic 4G or Droid X.

MacGuy2006 said:
the Droid X is a phone only a true nerd can love
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Right!!!! When Moto made the Razor they got it all right in the looks dept.....now they keep bringing us boring/ugly styling one after another.
Pika007 said:
I had a google nexus, which hardware-wise is pretty simillar to the evo.
The snapdragon processor is pretty good, but samsung's hummingbird is better (and is produced at 45nm, less power consumption)
The real tie-breaker for me was the GPU.
The Adreno200 in the snapdragon SOC is pretty weak, if i need to put it in proportions, the SGX540 in the Galaxy S is around 3 times stronger, possibly even a bit more.
Screen- while the evo's screen is sharper (on paper), 65k colors and low contrast ratio wipe that advantage completely. The difference is just too big.
Now the most important point- the evo is a real battery -hogging monster, it can barely last for a day and a half in very moderate use, while the SGS can probably last for twice the time under the same use.
I'm not too a fan of dragging around chargers and backup batteries, don't know about you.
I'd turn my eyes over to the droid X, better hardware (TI OMAP 1GHZ+SGX530>Qualcomm Snapdragon, any day), better battery time, probably a better camera as well. Motorla made a nice comeback.
I'd make the prime options the Epic 4G or Droid X.
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I see your points seem valid to me. But personally I think the Epic is too thick with the keyboard (plus Swype is all the typing speed I need in my pocket). If the Epic came without the keyboard and if the screen really is that great; I'd be down to deciding between it and the iPhone because Sprint service with the Evo for me has been wonderful unlike this stupid At&t on the iPhone.
We all seem to get so focused on the specs that may not matter all that much? I mean these are phones and not desktops of say 15 years ago when we would research the heck out of a purchase because we knew we were going to keep it for at least 2, 3 or more years........
Anyhow, I really just don't see the bad in the Evo display I have and it's right here being matched up to my iPhone 4. I'm going to do something that no tech blogs ever seem to do. I'm going to load up both these phones, with the exact same high res images and then see how they look to me. Wish I could test the Galaxy along with these two phones, but I will have returned the Evo by the time I get my hands on a galaxy........

Because im not on sprint
And even if i were still on sprint i wouldnt take evo because of the poor battery life as well as the inferior screen quality.

Why are we focused on specs?
We want games to work on our newly-bought super-high-end phone. That's all.
At first there were the HTC devices with a qualcomm MSM7XXX. OK cpu, weak gpu.
Then came along the droid/milestone. ok cpu, ok+ gpu.
Then the wave of snapdragon devices- Very strong cpu, weak gpu.
We all waited for a balanced solution that will let us have a strong cpu and gpu, with android.
Untill the galaxy S, Droid X and Milestone XT720 come along, the iphone was the only balanced device.
About the displays- it's not that the evo display is bad. It's just that both the samsung and the galaxy s are way better. The first time i loaded a high-res video to my galaxy s side by side with my brother's milestone (which is regarded as a device with a very good screen by itself), my mind was blown. The difference is as clear as day.
I can say this with confidence-
Sharpness is overrated. We are talking about 3-4" screens here, not home 50" displays. As soon as 640X360 resolution over 3.5" was passed, the matter started to become pretty ridiculous. You need a 10X magnification to actually see pixels, i doubt your eyes have that.
On the other hand, be it a 1000" screen or a 1" screen, the difference in contrast/colors in general is always visible.
It might not be the "sharpest" screen around, but it is clearly the display with best colors around.
For someone who uses his phone as a media player a lot, this was VERY important to me.

BuddyLee said:
Because im not on sprint
And even if i were still on sprint i wouldnt take evo because of the poor battery life as well as the inferior screen quality.
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That's what I forgot in my last post; are you guys saying that the SGS has much better battery life than the Evo??? From all the comments on the thread here about first thoughts, it seems that folks aren't doing any better.
On the Evo board, I see all the same types of comments and the same range as I do here. Some Evo owners say they can't make it a day and some say they can make it a day and a half and even 3 days, after make half a dozen changes to the device. I know what my Evo battery life has been like and it's not anywhere near as good as this iPhone I'm trying out or even as good as my HD2 was. So I do have a feeling that I'll try the Galaxy and come right back to this board, asking about how to get better battery life.

I just love this device the screen is awesome!!
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Pika007 said:
Why are we focused on specs?
We want games to work on our newly-bought super-high-end phone. That's all.
At first there were the HTC devices with a qualcomm MSM7XXX. OK cpu, weak gpu.
Then came along the droid/milestone. ok cpu, ok+ gpu.
Then the wave of snapdragon devices- Very strong cpu, weak gpu.
We all waited for a balanced solution that will let us have a strong cpu and gpu, with android.
Untill the galaxy S, Droid X and Milestone XT720 come along, the iphone was the only balanced device.
About the displays- it's not that the evo display is bad. It's just that both the samsung and the galaxy s are way better. The first time i loaded a high-res video to my galaxy s side by side with my brother's milestone (which is regarded as a device with a very good screen by itself), my mind was blown. The difference is as clear as day.
I can say this with confidence-
Sharpness is overrated. We are talking about 3-4" screens here, not home 50" displays. As soon as 640X360 resolution over 3.5" was passed, the matter started to become pretty ridiculous. You need a 10X magnification to actually see pixels, i doubt your eyes have that.
On the other hand, be it a 1000" screen or a 1" screen, the difference in contrast/colors in general is always visible.
It might not be the "sharpest" screen around, but it is clearly the display with best colors around.
For someone who uses his phone as a media player a lot, this was VERY important to me.
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I see where you're coming from! I love games and I tried NOVA on the iPhone 4 two days ago and I was blown away. But I'm just not into gaming on phones and without real controls even if I had the time to play games as often as I'd like to, it just doesn't appeal to me much.
My HD2 came with transformers and I loaded it onto the Evo's sd card. I am a filmmaker and all I can say is that it looked and played perfectly on the Evo. I've heard people say that they watched films on the Evo with terrible results and all I have to say is that any device needs to have the right video format type and bitrate for a specific device (the right encoding app and settings makes all the difference).
I have no doubt the the SGS display is one of the very best if not the very best (it or the iPhone display). BTW' You might want to take a look at this smartphone display review: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2365915,00.asp
I had not thought of it until I started reading about it here. I'm talking about text not being as clear on the SGS screens. Again, I guess I won't know what these comments are about, until I get to try this phone myself. Some folks say it's a big deal and then others say it's not. Also I guess that has something to do with the "screen door" effect of the SGS display tech?
I guess what I meant about specs was that if any phone can do everything you want it to today and do it well, then that's about all that matters. rather than seeking out the best specs for some type of future proofing that just doesn't make much sense in regards to how quickly phone tech is advancing and how xda folks like us, are going to keep upgrading sooner rather than later. An Example would be people who worry about a phone not having 4G LTE radios now, even though by the time the towers are all in place, those same people, will be moving on to a new phone.

JosipR said:
I just love this device the screen is awesome!!
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Are you having any speed issues and how is your battery life treating you? Also would you say text is as sharp as on other high-end devices?

We being non US does not have the EVO 4G to play with but I have been using a Desire for the last 2 months. The reason why I swapped to the SGS is mainly because of the multitouch screen issue with HTC. Typing with SGS is even better than the iphone which, love it or hate it, were the best in terms of virtual keyboard. However I am disappointed with the speed so far, especially with emails. Hopefully the next firmware address those issues.

veej said:
We being non US does not have the EVO 4G to play with but I have been using a Desire for the last 2 months. The reason why I swapped to the SGS is mainly because of the multitouch screen issue with HTC. Typing with SGS is even better than the iphone which, love it or hate it, were the best in terms of virtual keyboard. However I am disappointed with the speed so far, especially with emails. Hopefully the next firmware address those issues.
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After using the iPhone 4 keyboard a lot in the last few days I would have to say yes it is the best tap type touch keyboard. Something about it and I assume the screen tech, make it very good. But the hands down best touch keyboard is Swype hands down which is not on iOS yet. Also the HTC keyboard is also very nice on it's own but also having the voice button on the keyboard is really nice (not sure if the SGS has that as well).
Oh and thanks; I was forgetting about the fact that the rest of the world got the SGS first but no Evo. Sometimes we silly Americans behave as if we are the world.

Pika007 said:
It might not be the "sharpest" screen around, but it is clearly the display with best colors around.
For someone who uses his phone as a media player a lot, this was VERY important to me.
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It's a matter of different priorities, yes: the great majority of what I do on my phone is read or write text, so having nice crisp text is important to me. I remember being amazed by how great the text looked on my first 640x480 PDA with ClearType. Conversely, I rarely watch video or look at photos on my phone.
The decision's pretty much taken out of my hands if I want a high-end Android phone in the UK. I would love the iPhone 4's display though.

First impressions

My first impressions are kind of lackluster. Now I should start by saying I was never interested in the docking potential of this phone. Now with that said so far it's obviously faster than my Nexus One which is good. The fact that it can be rooted is good too because I can run my TiBu for my apps. The bigger storage is also a definite plus for me that way I am not shuttling apps off to the SD card because I am low on space.
What is really throwing me off is the fact that it has 1 GB of RAM which seems to only have 800 available and then after all the apps around 500 on a reboot. I am really hoping the devs can come up with a way to fix that aspect because as I originally stated I am not interested in docking this phone and the assumption is that 200 MB is reserved for the Webtop. Secondly I know I am not going to see 4G speeds out of this phone for a long time given my area. I was however hoping to see a little bit more speed out of it versus my Nexus One. Third the power button takes a lot of getting used to on it. Finally the battery in increments of 10% I am really hoping this can be fixed somehow because that's a wicked pain.
Overall I am happy with the phone and I am cheering on the dev community to hopefully be able to do something with my gripes that I have with it.

Go nexus s man if you want a great screen gingerbread and icecream first #Just saying
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nucentury08 said:
Go nexus s man if you want a great screen gingerbread and icecream first #Just saying
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Nexus S? Is that the phone with only 512MB of RAM and no 720p video recording? What size microSD card does it support? Ohhhh, that's right, it doesn't. Well at least it has NFC, because some time in the next 10 years that might actually be a useful feature!
P.S. Sorry, I don't even have an Atrix. I just like throwing crumbs to trolls!

Up to 50 meg or so is ramdisk too.
On the captivate, with 512 meg of ram, the most usable we could get was around 374 I think. This is about 73% of ram.
If we take this ratio to the Atrix, it's actually about 5% higher than that.

Nexus S
Nexus S does get the newer software and might look a little more flashy but if your into flashy things then go for it.. but the Atrix has a better RES screen, more RAM, better CPU.. Got my Atrix yesterday and must say that I am happy that I got it. There are some things here and there that could be fixed but its the phone's 2nd day in the real world so that is to be expected.

Went from an Iphone 4 to the Atrix 4g. Screen is definitely a little disappointing in comparison, but its really not that bad. Keeping the brightness below 50%ish definitely helps a lot, at 80-100% the screen looks washed out and grainy.

On the RAM issue, can froyo address 1gb of ram?
My wife just got this phone today. I have a captivate and I think this thing handles nicely!

My previous phones have been all the iPhones as well as the Nexus One, The Droid X.
DISLIKES
Weight:
Too light. Feels cheap when you don't have weight to it. It has a little weight but compared to the iPhone, it is very light. I thought it was a guy-thing but even too light for my wife
Material:
Motorola should have used the same material as the Droid X. Nice rubberized exterior that eliminates the need for a case and does not slip. I have large hands and cannot wait to get a silicon cover. The phone constantly slips out of my hand. Have to admit the iPhone 4 is really bad too, without a case.
Photos/Video:
Horrible video and photos. I know the iPhone 4 is, and still is, superior in this field but if I remember correctly, the Droid X had some decent photo quality. Although the video is smoother than the Droid X. The photos/videos are washed out and grainy. Looks like I filmed it using a PlaySkool camera. Definitely will not be hearing of anyone saying, "I filmed this music video using my Atrix!"
Laptop Dock:
Did not order this. Until Moto comes up with an update that makes it more useful or I find a great use for it, I will not be purchasing one. Why didn't they just have it attach to the Xoom or something? That would have been great. Imagine a gutted Xoom that you would pop in your Atrix and it BECOME the tablet. Uses your Atrix 4G service and 'dock' expands the phone with additional ports. Maybe an idea with Ice Cream coming out.
LIKES
Body:
Like the shape and overall feel of the phone. Feels good to have the touch buttons rather than the physical buttons on the Droid X. Would be nice to have a camera button. Overall, has the same look and presence as the iPhone out of the corner of your eye. Closer to the 3GS version (which I prefer over the iPhone 4 form factor) even though it has a larger screen. Everything is nice and uniform. Would love to have the new form factors Samsung has been coming out with but this is doable.
Fingerprint Wake:
Great way to keep it secure without someone looking at the prints on your screen. There is also an alternative passcode in case you need someone else to wake your phone. The location and having to push and swipe at the same time makes it difficult. Not too bad but not easy either.
Front-facing Camera:
Nice feature to have even though I will rarely use it. Maybe when Skype adds video chat. Was not able to set Fring to use the front camera. I'm open for recommendations. But even if I do find something that works, can't see myself doing video chat.
Sound:
Heard some bad things about the speaker but don't think its too bad. Sounds great. Music and calls sound a lot clearer than the iPhone 4. Very similar to the quality of the Droid X.
HDMI:
The best part is when you plug it into the TV with the included HDMI. Has an awesome interface to play your music, photos, and videos. Then you can really see the poor quality of the photos and video, Lol.
Docks:
Although not thrilled with the laptop dock, love docks in general. The Multimedia dock looks cool. Great way to potentially be an Apple TV replacement. Vehicle dock looks like the one I had for the Droid X which is nice. It is great to have the wide range of accessories. One reason the iPhone does so well.
MotoBLUR:
A lot of haters out there on this one but not too bad, I can definitely live with it if Motorola keeps the Android OS updated. I prefer it over Samsung's mutated iPhone look. Nice button graphics and widgets on MotoBLUR. I do wish I could remove the preinstalled apps like Vlingo and Blockbuster. I do agree, it would be great if we had an option to use it or not.

you can't really compare Nexus S and Atrix until the S becomes available on AT&T 3G bands, unless you want Edge only data. I think the Atrix is terrific. You have to realize that the S would cost a lot unsubsidized as well.

You can easily remove all the bloat apps like Blockbuster and etc.. Just goto Applications and they are in the remove list.. I have already removed them all from mine

Thanks. Ok, Blockbuster could be removed but could not find a way to remove Vlingo.

[Q] What Are Our Options Now?

I tried the Atrix and HTC Inspire in-store, and while I absolutely want an upgrade, I'm not convinced either is good enough, and am looking beyond to the next wave of Android phones on AT&T, unless nothing better is coming anytime soon.
I am subject to an odd process where I put in for an upgrade now and will get approval in four months, at which point I get to choose a new phone, which means I merely need to know that a phone I want will be available four months from now. If a good phone is coming in 5 or 6 months, it makes sense to wait, otherwise, I can put in now and see, four months from now, if the Atrix's bootloader has been smashed to hell and good custom ROMs are available, and if not, get an Inspire.
So, what good-looking Android phone are here or on the way. Here's what I've been able to determine, with pros and cons:
Motorola Atrix
Available Now
Pros:
Dual core 1 GHz Tegra 2
1 GB RAM
Fingerprint scanner
Front-facing camera
"4"G
HDMI out
Giant battery - 1930 mAh
16 GB internal memory
Highest resolution screen - 540 x 960
Gorilla Glass
Cons:
Past experience with AT&T says that custom ROMs will be few and far between
Froyo (and lack of ROMs means we can't fix this ourselves)
Slow webtop experience (we can't, yet, fix ourselves)
Internet speeds were terrible in store
4-inch screen (not necessarily a bad thing, but a point to consider)
HTC Inspire
Available Now
Pros:
4.3-inch screen (bigger than the Atrix)
HTC (ROMs galore!)
8 Megapixel camera (Atrix has 5)
Cons:
No front camera
Much smaller battery - 1230 mAh
4 GB internal memory
1 GHz Snapdragon single core processor
768 MB RAM
Lower screen resolution than the Atrix - 480 x 800
Lousy speakerphone
No HDMI
Samsung Infuse
Available Mid-2011
Pros:
1.2 GHz Hummingbird (single core, but faster)
8 Megapixel camera with 1080p video
Front facing camera - 1.3 Megapixels (four times the Atrix)
Super AMOLED Plus screen
Decent battery (1750 mAH)
As flashable as any Samsung (much better than Motorola)
16 GB internal memory
Cons:
4.5 inch screen (tablet territory, some may love it)
Lower screen resolution than the Atrix - 480 x 800
Only one core
RAM unknown
LG Optimus 2X
Availability: Who knows?
Pros:
Tegra 2, like the Atrix
Decent 1500 mAH battery
HDMI out
Gyroscope
Cons:
No carriers announced
8 GB internal memory
Samsung Galaxy S2
Availability: Q2
Pros:
Ships with Gingerbread
Exynos 1 GHz dual core processor
4.3-inch Super AMOLED Plus display with Gorilla Glass
16 GB internal memory, 32 GB on some models
8 Megapixel camera with 1080p video and image stabilization
Front facing camera - 2 megapixels, almost 7X the Atrix
Gyroscope
Excellent 1630 mAH battery (no Atrix, but pretty good)
Quad core GPU
NFC (some versions)
HDMI out
Bluetooth 3.0
Cons:
Lower resolution than the Atrix - 480x800
Not yet announced for AT&T (but probably coming)
Looking at all that, I'm thinking that the best bet is that the only true Atrix competitor is the S2, and assume that it will come out mide July, like the Captivate. I can put in for an upgrade in late March, which should give the S2 enough time to come to market and be reviewed, plus the Atrix to hopefully get some ROMs, and make the call.
Are there any other phones worth looking forward to? Is there any other reason to choose the Inspire or Infuse, or to not put my chips on the Atrix or Infuse?

There is always going to be a group of new phones coming out soon. I'd say just pick the one you like the most at the time. If something else you can't live without comes out in a few months (and it will) just sell the phone you bought to cover most of the out of contract price of your next one.
I returned my Inspire to get the Atrix so that's where I stand there.
I would never buy another Samsung Android device unless the show a commitment to upgrading. They tend to just want you to buy the next phone instead.
LG Optimus looks nice, but I hate LG phones so I'd stay away. Generally poor build quality and software.

These questions may be better answered in the General forum, not the Atrix specific General forum.
In here you are limiting your population to people that are looking about Atrix specific stuff.

I'm typing this on my inspire. Saying that, I love it a lot. It is my first android, and in my opinion probably the best way to enter it.
My only complaint is the battery. Even being small, it does power management well and lasts longer than my dads iphone 3gs. (maybe some debate if that's froyo I guess)
With rooting/roms, I'm sure I could make the battery last longer by removing bloat ware and stuff.
the way I see it, phones are out matched months after they come out. Better phones will be developed even after phones are announced. That's what competition does to technology. So why torture yourself thinking about what MAY come out, when months later better suff will be out.
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Good points all around.
ecapox said:
These questions may be better answered in the General forum, not the Atrix specific General forum.
In here you are limiting your population to people that are looking about Atrix specific stuff.
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Perhaps. I guess what I'm really asking is that, now that the Atrix is available and people have tried it out, do they still want the Atrix, or is it worth waiting just a couple more months?
waltah! said:
There is always going to be a group of new phones coming out soon.
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antioch216 said:
the way I see it, phones are out matched months after they come out. Better phones will be developed even after phones are announced. That's what competition does to technology. So why torture yourself thinking about what MAY come out, when months later better suff will be out.
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Absolutely. I think that what it comes down to is:
The Atrix got us all very excited, but the excitement is fading under a number of negatives:
1 - terrible pricing on the dock and tethering policy
2 - Motorola's pointless signing of the bootloader, which only removes value from the device
3 - the laptop dock has a lot of dissapointments (touchpad, speed)
On the other hand, the Atrix is still an incredible phone, and it goes us excited for some great reasons:
1 - killer processor
2 - huge battery
3 - unique features (docks, fingerprint reader)
4 - somewhat rare features (front facing camera, lots of internal [non-MicroSD] storage, HDMI out)
What makes it tough is the Galaxy S2, which doesn't have the unique features, but has everything else the Atrix has and more
Vs. Atrix:
Atrix negatives:
2 - Samsung's are easier to load custom ROMs on
Atrix positives:
1 - Also has a killer processor, one that, when tested, could even beat the Atrix
2 - Larger than average battery
4 - better rare features (better front facing camera, more internal storage
And its own positives:
1 - better camera
2 - Super AMOLED plus screen (amazing bright colors, lower power usage)
3 - bigger screen
4 - Gyroscope
5 - 1080p video
And just one known negative:
1 - Lower resolution screen
So, what this thread should really be is:
Do you still want the Atrix, or do you plan on waiting just 5 months for the Galaxy S2?

My upgrade date is in three days, I'm hoping that they'll crack the bootloader issue for the atrix pretty soon, I will not buy the phone without it.
The only real con I see for the Atrix is the lack of an LTE radio on it, if you get one you'll be stuck with it for the next two years ( unless you want to pay full price ) and LTE should be up and running ( in some areas ) in that time frame.
Even though I've been an ATT customer for 8 years I hold no loyalty to them, I'm waiting for more info to come on the HTC " pyramid " and could switch to T-Mobile if that phone has a bigger battery than the pathetic things that HTC puts in them now. We all know HTC seems to be the devs favorite brand and CM would positively fly on a dual core phone.

After owning a Craptivate I wont even consider another Samsung phone. I don't care how impressive the specs are Samsung will find a way to screw it up. If you don't like the Atrix then just wait a few months for the next great HTC phone. The Inspire is nice, but it' s just a lightly upgraded Evo and cant compete with the Atrix.
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Exador said:
After owning a Craptivate I wont even consider another Samsung phone. I don't care how impressive the specs are Samsung will find a way to screw it up. If you don't like the Atrix then just wait a few months for the next great HTC phone. The Inspire is nice, but it' s just a lightly upgraded Evo and cant compete with the Atrix.
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I love HTC, and really wanted my next phone to be an HTC. But I feel like I can't rely on them to bring good hardware to AT&T. My current phone is their Rhodium, and since then I've seen:
Droid Incredible - Looks great, not on AT&T
Desire Z - Great keyboard, not on AT&T
Evo - Kinda special at the time, but not on AT&T
7 Pro - Amazing keyboard, probably never coming to AT&T
Aria - Wonderful phone, my wife loves it, but not for power users
I felt like HTC all of a sudden decided it hated AT&T. Now we've got two new ones:
Inspire - updated Evo, decent but old hat, doesn't stand up to the other phones released at the time
Thunderbolt - slightly better than the Inspire, not coming to AT&T
I hope HTC comes up with something special by summer, but I'm not holding my breath. I am on my fourth consecutive HTC phone, and right now, it looks like my last.

Baddest phone out there?

I am just curious, what is the baddest phone on the mkt now? I love my Nexus, haven't kept up with a lot of the newest releases. Wondering everyone's opinions.

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I am just curious, what is the baddest phone on the mkt now? I love my Nexus, haven't kept up with a lot of the newest releases. Wondering everyone's opinions.
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Hardware-wise? Probably the Atrix from Motorola, if you can handle a locked bootloader (so no fully custom roms).
The upcoming HTC Sensation looks promising too, though they still seem to be stuck in the ways of low internal memory and using SD cards for expansion...

So is it an HTC thing making us partition our SD cards to get enough memory to run all the rom's etc we like? Does AT&T have anything cool, or able to be run on their system like my Nexus does? I know most hate them, but in my area it is my best option and I have no problems with them.

Only thing missing on the Samsung Galaxy S2 is HDMI out. It has DLNA (wifi streaming)

britoso said:
Only thing missing on the Samsung Galaxy S2 is HDMI out. It has DLNA (wifi streaming)
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So....it can't broadcast or share the HDMI recordings or pics through an external device ie a TV or computer?

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So....it can't broadcast or share the HDMI recordings or pics through an external device ie a TV or computer?
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TV will have to support DLNA, For the PC you will need to use the USB cable. I'd skip the S2 if you really want hdmi.
Take a look at the Optimus G2X it has HDMI.

britoso said:
TV will have to support DLNA, For the PC you will need to use the USB cable. I'd skip the S2 if you really want hdmi.
Take a look at the Optimus G2X it has HDMI.
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That optimus sounds pretty cool. Since it is a Tmobile device and say I bought an open one, or one without a carrier. Swapping out the card from my nexus would work right?

Wondering if I can walk into a tmo store on 20th and get a g2x sim free?
Anyone know?
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Is the g2x sim card different from my nexus1? Are they different because of the 4g capability?

You can drop an AT&T sim right in, has the right freqs for 3g. Cons I see are small battery and my experience with LG build quality is not comforting. I would add memory to that but I'm expecting proper a2sd from the smart people soon enough.

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You can drop an AT&T sim right in, has the right freqs for 3g. Cons I see are small battery and my experience with LG build quality is not comforting. I would add memory to that but I'm expecting proper a2sd from the smart people soon enough.
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I plan on moving to the G2X from an Optimus T (my Nexus One kicked the bucket awhile back), and I gotta say that despite the T not being made of any super high quality materials, I really like the feel of it. The G2X seems to employ some of the same ideas so it might be a pleasant surprise build-wise.
Batteries seem to have been forgotten by a LOT of manufacturers. If I remember correctly the GS2's is 1650mAh and the HTC Sensation's is something like 1530mAh, and the G2X's is 1500mAh. None of those seem stellar, but I'm a bit more forgiving of the G2X's because I have a hard time believing that the larger 4.3" screens on the other two aren't going to suck a fair bit more battery than the G2X's smaller 4" display.

Baddest depends on your needs. I personally think the HTC sensation is the 'baddest' out there at the moment. Its specs are top notch and looks like the newer, bigger brother of the N1 (Albeit minus the trackball). However, the G2X looks nice as well....again it all depends on your needs.

My meaning of the "baddest" was basically the nicest phone with the best features. Which I know can be taken differently by different people.

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Baddest depends on your needs. I personally think the HTC sensation is the 'baddest' out there at the moment. Its specs are top notch and looks like the newer, bigger brother of the N1 (Albeit minus the trackball). However, the G2X looks nice as well....again it all depends on your needs.
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Looks like a nice phone but looks like a summer release, which means Sept or Oct if I actually were to wait on it. It does look like the big brother of the N1. It has lots of nice specs too aside from Sense.
The Tmobile G2X is available online in a few days, dual core, 4" screen, HDMI out and it has stock Android. I believe the phone is unlocked and easily rooted. Looking over at the LG thread they already have custom firmwares and kernels etc. CM7 is already in the works and should be here shortly.
I've been doing a lot of research and I think I'm sold on the G2X mainly because my Nexus One has crappy download speeds on 3G and they just released 4G in my area. I've been looking at the 4G phones for some time but have been waiting for a Tegra 2 chipset.
I've been searching on the different GPU's involving the Orion SGS2 and the Snapdragon 2... and I think Nvidia is really pushing mobile games and with NVidia support will only equal it being around longer. Plus the Motorola Xoom is Google's main platform for honeycomb and it uses the Tegra 2 for GUI acceleration.
So Game and OS acceleration = Tegra 2

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Looks like a nice phone but looks like a summer release, which means Sept or Oct if I actually were to wait on it. It does look like the big brother of the N1. It has lots of nice specs too aside from Sense.
The Tmobile G2X is available online in a few days, dual core, 4" screen, HDMI out and it has stock Android. I believe the phone is unlocked and easily rooted. Looking over at the LG thread they already have custom firmwares and kernels etc. CM7 is already in the works and should be here shortly.
I've been doing a lot of research and I think I'm sold on the G2X mainly because my Nexus One has crappy download speeds on 3G and they just released 4G in my area. I've been looking at the 4G phones for some time but have been waiting for a Tegra 2 chipset.
I've been searching on the different GPU's involving the Orion SGS2 and the Snapdragon 2... and I think Nvidia is really pushing mobile games and with NVidia support will only equal it being around longer. Plus the Motorola Xoom is Google's main platform for honeycomb and it uses the Tegra 2 for GUI acceleration.
So Game and OS acceleration = Tegra 2
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I'm sooo glad you posted this. I currently have a Nexus One w/ ATT 3G bands and was gonna pick up a G2X off contract when it comes out. Wasn't sure about that yesterday when I found out about the Sensation but your reasoning is 100% agreeable.

Yea I can't see Qualcomm or Samsung pushing game developers like NVidia.
The 4.0" screen is the same IPS screen found on the iPhone 4. While I was a little iffy about a non-Amoled screen after the Nexus, comparisons show that it is brighter and cleaner then the existing Amoled screens, excluding the Super Duper Amoled Plus Plus screen coming on with the SGS2 in the coming months because it isn't out yet.
The only negative I can find is that it is limited to 14.4 mpbs, which so is the HTC Sensation.
Here is a video comparing some games on the LG and the SGS2...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAFs9OQinNo&feature=related
Spoiler Alert: Tegra 2 wins.

If u want something now, then the G2X looks like a nice choice for tmobile. But, if u can wait then keep an eye on the Sensation...

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Here is a video comparing some games on the LG and the SGS2...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAFs9OQinNo&feature=related
Spoiler Alert: Tegra 2 wins.
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That video makes the SGS2 screen look so much better, hope its just a youtube thing... the ONLY thing keeping me from jumping on G2X instead of waiting for the sensation is the screen...

GS2 does support HDMI out, over its new MHL port (USB and HDMI in one).
I don't really like Samsung for dicking about their customers on their first android phones but they seem to be rolling out updates for the GalaxyS in good time. I think the S2 is my new phone.
The hummingbird processor stomped all over everything when it came out, Exynos will do the same, i mean has anyone see its most recent quadrant score? Over 3000.
Also, no pentile AMOLED screen, WOOT!
I just hope the dev community gets behind it, they don't seem to give the GalaxyS much love...

Android LG g2x,Htc evo 3d and pyramid, moto bionic,galaxy s 2.
Windows 7 : nokia n8 type of hardware duo core 12mp camera xenon flash coming Q4 maybe.
HP palm the pre 3
Symbian x7
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No SGSII for T-Mobile. We will get HERCULE

http://phandroid.com/2011/05/17/rumor-samsung-hercules-is-a-4-5-inch-dual-core-beast-for-t-mobile-but-it-isnt-a-galaxy-s-ii/
Samsung Hercules is a 4.5 Inch Dual-Core Beast for T-Mobile, But It Isn’t a Galaxy S II
NO MORE COMPLAINING ABOUT GETTING ANDROID UPDATE after Global SGSII because it is a different phone
+ 4.5-inch 480 x 800 Super AMOLED Plus display
+ Android 2.3 (Gingerbread)
+ NFC support, though compatibility with the forthcoming ISIS mobile payment standard is "to be determined"
+ Category 24 HSDPA (42Mbps) and Category 6 HSUPA (5.76Mbps) for extremely fast HSPA+ support -- faster than any HSPA+ phone currently sold in the US
+ AWS plus 850 / 1900MHz compatibility for support on AT&T’s "4G" network if the merger succeeds
+ Preliminary measurements place it at 5.16 x 2.76 x 0.37 inches -- within a few hundredths of an inch of the Infuse
+ 16GB internal ROM, 1GB internal RAM, external microSD up to 32GB
+ Here’s where it outdoes the Infuse: it’s quoted with a Qualcomm 1.2GHz dual-core APQ8060 application processor, which is extraordinarily unusual for a Samsung -- particularly considering the availability of Samsung’s own multi-core Exynos line; it’s paired with an MDM8220 modem processor
8 megapixel primary camera with flash and 1080p video capture, secondary front-facing camera
+ Like the Galaxy S II, the Hercules won’t have a dedicated HDMI port -- it’ll move high-def video over Micro USB using MHL

The hercules phone does look nice but Is there any definite answer that we arent getting the sg2???

Love it. Now it REALLY won't be compatible with the international Galaxy S II ROMs which are sure to come in the future! Brilliant! And why is the different processor listed as an "improvement?"

Aws :O
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Ready to Trade In your Vibrant for this BABY ??? T-Mobile got you covered
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-wants-you-them-paying-you-make-it-happen
Up to $300 in cash for your used phone . Assuming Vibrant is T-Mobile Flagship phone, we might get $300 in CASH. GREAT !!!

I just hope its audio capabilities is at least as good as the vibrant (voodoo sound or similar capable).

a bigger pos vibrant... No LED Notifications, ****ty processor, ****ty resolution SAMOLED screen... wtf

Looks pretty cool but i'm not sold on qualcom's cpu/gpu's yet. I'd want to see how the sensation performs in the real world before even considering this. Plus how good does 480x800 resolution look when stretched out to 4.5 inches?

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a bigger pos vibrant... No LED Notifications, ****ty processor, ****ty resolution SAMOLED screen... wtf
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The vibrant may be aging a little bit, but it's definitely no POS. Why all the hate?

Yeah I also think 4.5 inches with the SAME resolution as the 4.0 Vibrant is a BIT too big. If they are going with such screen size, at least try to double or 1.5x the pixel resolution. I think I'mma get an international SGS2 when prices settle a bit lower. I don't use 3G anyway.

so does anyone know the definite answer if we are getting a sg2 and this or no sg2??

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a bigger pos vibrant... No LED Notifications, ****ty processor, ****ty resolution SAMOLED screen... wtf
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Get a HTC for your LED Notification. Why complaining ??? It's your choice to get the Vibrant and the whole world knows it does not have LED Notification.

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Get a HTC for your LED Notification. Why complaining ??? It's your choice to get the Vibrant and the whole world knows it does not have LED Notification.
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Why complain that Samsung is releasing a "new" phone that's missing basic or "new" features? I haven't said anything against the vibrant maybe you need to reread. I'm content with my vibrant. Love the screen. Would love to have a 4.5 inch SAMOLED phone with a higher resolution to match, a notification led, working gps, dual core processors, 3D cameras, a metal frame, a kick stand, and a battery that doesn't die every 6 hours. This "new" phone is not it.
I'm for technological progress, not releasing "new" things with subpar attributes.

Super amoled plus .. not the same display as the vibrant ... same as the sg2 .. its dual core...
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Why complain that Samsung is releasing a "new" phone that's missing basic or "new" features? I haven't said anything against the vibrant maybe you need to reread. I'm content with my vibrant. Love the screen. Would love to have a 4.5 inch SAMOLED phone with a higher resolution to match, a notification led, working gps, dual core processors, 3D cameras, a metal frame, a kick stand, and a battery that doesn't die every 6 hours. This "new" phone is not it.
I'm for technological progress, not releasing "new" things with subpar attributes.
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Congratulations. I hope you have fun with your ****ty EVO 3D which will match every single one of your requirements, including that ****ty battery life and a gimmick called 3D on a PHONE. And where have you been? The snapdragon mentioned is a dual core, just not a ARM A9. But then again, you'll be too lost in your ****ty battery life and constantly trying to find a charger to plug in your EVO 3d to even care.

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Congratulations. I hope you have fun with your ****ty EVO 3D which will match every single one of your requirements, including that ****ty battery life and a gimmick called 3D on a PHONE. And where have you been? The snapdragon mentioned is a dual core, just not a ARM A9. But then again, you'll be too lost in your ****ty battery life and constantly trying to find a charger to plug in your EVO 3d to even care.
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Retard i said nothing about a EVO 3D. I was describing what a new phone in 2011 should look like. And gimmick... just because you can't afford a 3D tv doesn't mean the rest of the world can't. EVO 3D's don't have SAMOLED screens either.
I didn't say the snapdragon wasn't a dual core either. Man you need to go back to grammar school so you can relearn how to read.

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Why complain that Samsung is releasing a "new" phone that's missing basic or "new" features? I haven't said anything against the vibrant maybe you need to reread. I'm content with my vibrant. Love the screen. Would love to have a 4.5 inch SAMOLED phone with a higher resolution to match, a notification led, working gps, dual core processors, 3D cameras, a metal frame, a kick stand, and a battery that doesn't die every 6 hours. This "new" phone is not it.
I'm for technological progress, not releasing "new" things with subpar attributes.
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Congratulations for reading your own post. If you rephrased it correctly, you could have stated "Along with the dual core processor and the 4.5 inch SAMOLED PLUS screen, I would prefer that Samsung incorporated a higher resolution (already did with SAMOLED Plus and the ridding of pentile), a notification LED, a better GPS, 3D cameras, and a metal frame and kickstand (both useless as they dent and add no useful function unless you can't hold your own device, while increasing the weight of the device).
And funny, as the specs you mentioned correspond almost directly to the EVO 3D.

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Retard i said nothing about a EVO 3D. I was describing what a new phone in 2011 should look like. And gimmick... just because you can't afford a 3D tv doesn't mean the rest of the world can't. EVO 3D's don't have SAMOLED screens either.
I didn't say the snapdragon wasn't a dual core either. Man you need to go back to grammar school so you can relearn how to read.
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Yes, in YOUR opinion. Not everyone wants a brick device in their pockets, or a 3D camera as opposed to the better Samsung 8 megapixel camera, and not everyone needs a 3D function that will only drain battery further and add price to the device.
And to your 3D comment, I find no use for 3D whatsoever. It only wastes your eyesight even faster than a normal screen. I would much prefer my 56 inch Samsung LED TV. Funny how you mention how I can't afford anything, as I live in Southlake, Texas, one of the cities in the U.S. with the highest incomes per capital.

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Yes, in YOUR opinion. Not everyone wants a brick device in their pockets, or a 3D camera as opposed to the better Samsung 8 megapixel camera, and not everyone needs a 3D function that will only drain battery further and add price to the device.
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Brick device? Where do you get that from. Why not have 2 Samsung 8 megapixel cameras? Why not have 2 Samsung 12 megapixel cameras with swapable lenses? How does having a 3D function deminish battery life? And add to the price? These are $600-700 phones, if these are TOP OF THE LINE phones **** price. I wouldn't buy a ferrari if i was afraid of the price, it's a ferrari.

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Brick device? Where do you get that from. Why not have 2 Samsung 8 megapixel cameras? Why not have 2 Samsung 12 megapixel cameras with swapable lenses? How does having a 3D function deminish battery life? And add to the price? These are $600-700 phones, if these are TOP OF THE LINE phones **** price. I wouldn't buy a ferrari if i was afraid of the price, it's a ferrari.
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Because metal would only add weight?
As for the camera, two would again only add size and weight.
3D would require the screen to use more power to display those gimmick 3D effects.
Manufacturers will continue to add those useless functions on a phone and increase the prices for those functions. My Vibrant was 500 off contract without tax, T-Mobile will only increase the price on these new phones with these useless functions. For example, the Droid Charge runs at 300 on contract as opposed to the normal 200.