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Battery life and idle data connection

Did anyone try to compare battery life between no data connection and idle data connection?
I always turn data connection off after update, but I am asking how does idle data connection effects battery?
I know it drains it...but how much?
And the reason I don't know results from myself...
Sometimes my battery drops from 100 to 90 or less over the night, sometimes from 100 to 80 or even more, with the same usage or any usage at all...so I don't know how to compare it because it's so random...and this is without data connections, it is only device with phone on in sleep mode...

I once compared an over night-drain where no connection took 3% of the battery and with data connection 4%. Approx 8h sleep
It's hard for me to compare during normal use since my usage varies a lot from day to day. So I have nothing to contribute during daytime usage.

umiss said:
I once compared an over night-drain where no connection took 3% of the battery and with data connection 4%. Approx 8h sleep
It's hard for me to compare during normal use since my usage varies a lot from day to day. So I have nothing to contribute during daytime usage.
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I was using wmlonglife for some time, however one time it stops to work - i have found that i had a permament data connection in idle, but didn't notice a thing, so technically it do not drains the phone dramatically

when you guys say "idle" data connection, is the phone not automatically checking for email accounts etc? If not have you disabled them overnight - how do you do that please?

From yesterday until today, until now, I left idle data connection and it dropped in 12h from 80 to 75.
When I tried to close connection and left it overnight it dropped from 100 to 93.
By my expirience there is difference in battery drain: 15% with idle data connectino and 7% without data connection.
But numbers change from day to day...but more or less is 2x more when i have data connection on idle

might have to do with the network.. most networks do their work at night because they seem to asume everybody is asleep.. it could be offline every now and then but keeps searching for updates..

Mine has 3g toggle turned off, but the 'data connection' toggle is always on, i have three email accounts that get checked over edge every 2 hours, and battery drops roughly 2% during 7 hours sleep.

yuo have 3g off permanently or just overnight?
What do you "lose" when using 2g vs 3g?

My options about 3g mode is set to auto, so I guess it switch to 3g or hsdpa when available...

wigwam12 said:
yuo have 3g off permanently or just overnight?
What do you "lose" when using 2g vs 3g?
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yea 3g permanently off. I live right on the edge of my local 3g coverage, and with it on itchews through the battery as it switches on/off/on/off. I get full reception using edge which is easily fast enough for surfing low bandwidth sites(like xda dev! ) twitter and emails etc.

my HD2 drains battery VERY fast when i have idle connections. when i don't turn them off my phone battery is from 100% to empty in about 6 hours.. but maybe there is a problem with my device / rom.
i hate to use your thread for topic for this but maybe anyone can help me with my battery being empty so fast? i am using Dutch stock rom v1.66 with standard radio rom. i am going to try a newer radio rom tonight. but i dont think that is going to help mutch.. i dont mind flashing to a custom rom but i want the same user interface as i now have. i dont like the custom one's with their shiny buttons and stuff..
would really apreciate help / advise!

samsamuel said:
yea 3g permanently off. I live right on the edge of my local 3g coverage, and with it on itchews through the battery as it switches on/off/on/off. I get full reception using edge which is easily fast enough for surfing low bandwidth sites(like xda dev! ) twitter and emails etc.
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Thanks. I think the most bandwidth site I would currently access is Facebook.
I will try 2G then. When I get more into using the phone as an internet device I guess I could turn it on.
Mind you in the middle of a major city and moving from Voda "excellent" to "very good" signal zones it should stay 3G most of the time not switch so often......

the rom i.m using makes it easy to manage data, left soft button on home screen brings up comm manager and all the toggles have been activated, takes moments to switch on/off 3g and wifi, the rest of the time the edge data just works fine.
incidentally, in terms of power use other things to look at that might get overlooked, block size on sd card, if its real small and you have lots of sd card access, such as progs installed there, browser cache there, can significantly increase the number of read writes to the card in any given time period, costing power.

Battery Life on Wifi - Outstanding!!

Basically, when I leave wi-fi on my phone has incredible battery life. If someone has already mentioned this feel free to bury this post, but to my knowledge it doesn't seem this has been posted yet.
With wi-fi off and 3g on
- Battery lost 5-6 percent per hour
Wi-fi on
- Battery lost 1-2 percent per hour (sometimes less than 1 percent depending on what your doing)
Right now after having my phone on for 34 hours my battery is still at 70 percent! I'm fairly certain this is because it disables the 3g radio altogether which apparently is a real battery hog. That or maybe my phone is just a fluke. I really don't know.
This also seems to be tied to the htc sense rom (correct me if im wrong) but if i remember correctly battery drainage increased when wifi was enabled in the stock rom. Currently, I'm using the latest htc sense rom from modaco, I'd really enjoy hearing if enabling wifi helps others extend their battery life.

your having better battery life with the Desire ROMs? that odd, my battery life with a Desire ROM was 20-30% worse compared to stock.

amlwaycooljr said:
Basically, when I leave wi-fi on my phone has incredible battery life. If someone has already mentioned this feel free to bury this post, but to my knowledge it doesn't seem this has been posted yet.
With wi-fi off and 3g on
- Battery lost 5-6 percent per hour
Wi-fi on
- Battery lost 1-2 percent per hour (sometimes less than 1 percent depending on what your doing)
Right now after having my phone on for 34 hours my battery is still at 70 percent! I'm fairly certain this is because it disables the 3g radio altogether which apparently is a real battery hog. That or maybe my phone is just a fluke. I really don't know.
This also seems to be tied to the htc sense rom (correct me if im wrong) but if i remember correctly battery drainage increased when wifi was enabled in the stock rom. Currently, I'm using the latest htc sense rom from modaco, I'd really enjoy hearing if enabling wifi helps others extend their battery life.
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Actually, it's a well known fact that 3G uses more power on most (every?) phones than Wifi... so you're not alone.

Hey when you say WIFI on..do you mean WIFI and EDGE or did you completely disabled the radio?

I never would have thought having wifi on would extend battery life to such a great extent though, in most of the latest cell phone reviews and what not everyone recommends to have wifi off saves battery life but in this case just the opposite is true. I kinda knew the wifi was more efficient but I never expected such a large benefit from leaving wifi on all the time.
@ram130 I haven't actually touched the radios at all so I expect them all to be on or at the very least have edge on, I am able to receive and send calls and txt so I'm assuming at least some cell radio has to be on. All I did was use the htc sense rom and enable wifi.

The cellular radio is still on, but 3G/Edge (data) are disconnected. I don't know how Edge compares to Wifi, but 3G is a battery killer in comparison.

uansari1 said:
The cellular radio is still on, but 3G/Edge (data) are disconnected. I don't know how Edge compares to Wifi, but 3G is a battery killer in comparison.
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amlwaycooljr said:
I never would have thought having wifi on would extend battery life to such a great extent though, in most of the latest cell phone reviews and what not everyone recommends to have wifi off saves battery life but in this case just the opposite is true. I kinda knew the wifi was more efficient but I never expected such a large benefit from leaving wifi on all the time.
@ram130 I haven't actually touched the radios at all so I expect them all to be on or at the very least have edge on, I am able to receive and send calls and txt so I'm assuming at least some cell radio has to be on. All I did was use the htc sense rom and enable wifi.
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In other words you have "use 2G networks" checked right?
I'm gonna try this is now. I'm currently at 3hr 32m unplugged with 80% left. I have wifi enabled and on the stock rom. So I'll post back when I wake in a few a hours and see how it goes.
My only problem:
Wifi seems to disconnect alot during the hour regardless if sleep policy is set to NEVER. My wifi signal is -78dBm to -86dBm in my room and on channel 11(used wifi analyzer). Any suggestions why?

I have the same experience at home, I enable Wifi and leave the phone stay home for a couple of days and battery still 40%, when I go out and wifi is not connected, 3G kicks in and battery drops much faster.
I'm using cyanogen 5.0.4.1

Interesting. Did not know this!
I guess I won't feel so bad about leaving my phone on Wifi all day!
Also, does anyone know how much power is used by not having a radio signal and letting it constantly search? That seems to destroy my battery. But sometimes I am in an area with wifi but no radio access (deep within a building).

It's too bad this phone doesn't have UMA - that would make up for T-Mobile's lack of indoor coverage (at times), and probably improve battery life a lot in some cases.
But I have to say that on another phones I've used, especially WinMo devices, using WiFi instead of 3G seemed to always use more battery. But, it could very well be different on this phone...I'm definitely going to give this a try.

im not sure about the percentage but i agree,the battery drain is considerably more when searching for radio.im in a building most of the day and it doesnt take long.miss the UMA i had on my bberry.
Paul22000 said:
Interesting. Did not know this!
I guess I won't feel so bad about leaving my phone on Wifi all day!
Also, does anyone know how much power is used by not having a radio signal and letting it constantly search? That seems to destroy my battery. But sometimes I am in an area with wifi but no radio access (deep within a building).
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I also Get. About 25% better battery on wifi

Well after 10hrs of the phone being on stand by I woke up. It was at 46%!! my god. Anyway I checked my email, read an article all taking around 15mins and guess what? I had 30% left!. I put it back to stand by for 3hrs and took a look at it and had about 16% left...
It is now charging after one hour with just 10min use of downloading apps ..Can ANYONE tell me why my battery is draining so much on wifi? When its on EDGE for the night after 10hr I would have around 70% left from a full charge. Anyone can help me out here?
I shall be getting a replacement battery for free Tuesday.
Stock android.

ram130 said:
Well after 10hrs of the phone being on stand by I woke up. It was at 46%!! my god. Anyway I checked my email, read an article all taking around 15mins and guess what? I had 30% left!. I put it back to stand by for 3hrs and took a look at it and had about 16% left...
It is now charging after one hour with just 10min use of downloading apps ..Can ANYONE tell me why my battery is draining so much on wifi? When its on EDGE for the night after 10hr I would have around 70% left from a full charge. Anyone can help me out here?
I shall be getting a replacement battery for free Tuesday.
Stock android.
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Did you set your phone to only use 2G networks also? If you're not charging, wifi will probably disable after not being used for a while..so it's probably rolling to 3G if you haven't disabled it.
I'm not saying it's convenient to constantly switch back and forth... but this explains why it may not be a good test of the battery life the way you're running it.

uansari1 said:
Did you set your phone to only use 2G networks also? If you're not charging, wifi will probably disable after not being used for a while..so it's probably rolling to 3G if you haven't disabled it.
I'm not saying it's convenient to constantly switch back and forth... but this explains why it may not be a good test of the battery life the way you're running it.
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Well yes I have it on 2G only. Any thing else could be contributing to it dying so fast?

Well I found a way to use my laptop as an AP. So I connected my N1 to it and getting full bars(-41dBm) in my room now. No wifi disconnects so far!(maybe it was my linksys before ?).. So far the battery is at 86% with some 3D games, been unplug for 1hr 50min now. I'll put it to stand by now and see how it looks after 10hrs.
I'm on a stock firmware(not rooted). 2G only selected.

The way I understand it is as follows:
Phone is on STANDBY:
3g==2g* which are both more efficient then wifi (that's why the default wifi policy turns wifi off if it's not being used)**
Phone is ACTIVE:
wifi is more efficient then 2g/3g because:
1) It's waaay faster and thus causes less battery drain* and
2) The AP (router) is much closer to the phone then the cell tower so in theory it doesn't need to use as much power to talk to the router.
*http://code.google.com/events/io/2009/sessions/CodingLifeBatteryLife.html
4:45min into it there is a power usage chart and 3G/EDGE idle power usage is about the same - also somewhere else in the video they talk about wifi vs 3g usage when transferring data.
** http://code.google.com/p/sipdroid/wiki/NewStandbyTechnique
States that 3g standby is more efficient then wifi

drak0 said:
** http://code.google.com/p/sipdroid/wiki/NewStandbyTechnique
States that 3g standby is more efficient then wifi
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Someone needs to test this ok. ...already testing wifi

Ok I'm at 11hrs 30min on wifi and its at 67% with light usage(checking email, news for 5min)..improvement? kinda, because since turning off my laptop it switched back to getting low signal(-81dBm) from the router in the next room. Weird? I'm still thinking. anyway I'm heading out so gonna use the phone more today, lets see if it gets me through the day.
Still no where near the thread starter 30hrs!! Maybe stock really sucks? bad battery anyone??

@ram130 I'm not sure how my battery is lasting as long as it has so far. I'm up to what would be an insane number, 65 hours 36 percent left .. this battery just wont die. I haven't the slightest idea how it's lasting this long I just leave wifi on all the time and turn wifi standby off. If anyone could explain how leaving wifi on more than quadruples my battery life I'd sure love to know.

Battery issue - new question

I know battery issues have been discussed over and over in this forum, but I have a question that I couldn't find the answer to in this forum.
I have an unlocked rogers x10 that's updated to R2BA020 that I'm using on Fido network, the phone is always roaming because I'm on Fido.
I'm thinking this is why my battery life sucks. I tried everything, task killers, juice defender, dim screen, full discharge.
Does the phone use more juice if it's roaming?

Yes, but it doesn't make a very large difference. If you're worried about constantly roaming, take a look at android, which let's you turn off Amsterdam on 3G.
Sent from my X10a using XDA App

naz78 said:
I know battery issues have been discussed over and over in this forum, but I have a question that I couldn't find the answer to in this forum.
I have an unlocked rogers x10 that's updated to R2BA020 that I'm using on Fido network, the phone is always roaming because I'm on Fido.
I'm thinking this is why my battery life sucks. I tried everything, task killers, juice defender, dim screen, full discharge.
Does the phone use more juice if it's roaming?
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Have you tried spare parts or something similar to check your battery usage? It lets you see what component is using the most battery. Even the Battery Usage option under Settings->About Phone should tell you where your juice is draining.

j4mm3r said:
Have you tried spare parts or something similar to check your battery usage? It lets you see what component is using the most battery. Even the Battery Usage option under Settings->About Phone should tell you where your juice is draining.
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If he doesn't want to download spare parts, he could just dial *#*#4636#*#* (did I get that right?) in his dialer to get to the same menus.
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Greetings,
Yeah will be more wise to check whats actually draining your battery so we will facts in front of us and try to find a solution.
As for roaming i think yes draining more battery, please gove us usage of the phone , activity and how much your battery can hold up.
Also please onform us what home you use.
I recomend home++.
Regards
Vatis
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I'm still having battery life issues as well on my Rogers x10a.
I was at 100% as of 12:00pm and it's now at 87% 5:00pm.
According to the battery info I've used:
Voice Calls - 30% (10m 35s)
Cell Standby - 28%
Phone Idle - 22%
Display - 11%
Android System - 4%
ADW.Launcher - 3%
3G on, WIFI off, BT off
No idea what is draining my battery so much

I'm on Fido as well, though I don't see a roaming icon anywhere.
Are you sure you're roaming?

glitchexe said:
I'm still having battery life issues as well on my Rogers x10a.
I was at 100% as of 12:00pm and it's now at 87% 5:00pm.
According to the battery info I've used:
Voice Calls - 30% (10m 35s)
Cell Standby - 28%
Phone Idle - 22%
Display - 11%
Android System - 4%
ADW.Launcher - 3%
3G on, WIFI off, BT off
No idea what is draining my battery so much
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2.6%/hr with actual use (not sleeping overnight) is not bad at all. a 4inch screen, 3g connected all the time smartphone will not get great battery life if you actually use it. many people talk about how they get a couple of days or more on a single charge but there is no possible way for this to happen unless you are barely touching your phone. the best i can hope for is a full days use as i use my phone all day and evening.
sometimes an app sits in the background and uses lots of juice, so if you want to make sure that is not happening you might want to do a hard reset and not install any apps for a day and see how battery life it. you can add back apps slowly so that you will be able to tell if one is causing your phone to use too much juice.
the other things you can try is not to use widgets that auto update all the time or try locking your phone to 2g for the day, turning screen brightness down to the lowest level when possible. stuff like that will help. since i updated to the r2 generic rom my battery life has been good enough. i could always use more, but i use my phone too much to expect more.

Thanks I use my phone a lot as well but hearing all these awesome battery life stories had me expecting more. Guess I'll live with what I have.
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glitchexe said:
Thanks I use my phone a lot as well but hearing all these awesome battery life stories had me expecting more. Guess I'll live with what I have.
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It drives me nuts too but the reality is that we all use our phones differently so while some people are happy getting two days of use by barely using their phone I just can't do that. I rely on my phone for too many different things, so if I can get through one day I am fine. It was a shock for me initially as I was using a blackberry 9700 and it had a very small screen and long battery life

vatis24 said:
Greetings,
Yeah will be more wise to check whats actually draining your battery so we will facts in front of us and try to find a solution.
As for roaming i think yes draining more battery, please gove us usage of the phone , activity and how much your battery can hold up.
Also please onform us what home you use.
I recomend home++.
Regards
Vatis
Sent from my X10i using XDA App
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I took my phone off charge 6 hours ago and I have 79% left as I type.
I did a 5 minute phone call, 10 minutes browsing, 2 minute YouTube video and I turned on WiFi for 30 minutes and Bluetooth for 45 minutes.
I checked the settings and it says:
Display 48%
Standby 18
Phone Idle 13%
Voice call 13%

I've been switching options on and off for the last few weeks that I have x10 and the conclusion is => turn of APN when you don't use it and the battery last for 3 days. Only problem I can think of is mail push but you can always check mail every 30min. There is this "APN on/off" widget that makes switching APN on and off pretty easy so there shouldn't be too much problems.

Doesnt make a difference here.. wifi and 3g cane my battery!!
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naz78 said:
I took my phone off charge 6 hours ago and I have 79% left as I type.
I did a 5 minute phone call, 10 minutes browsing, 2 minute YouTube video and I turned on WiFi for 30 minutes and Bluetooth for 45 minutes.
I checked the settings and it says:
Display 48%
Standby 18
Phone Idle 13%
Voice call 13%
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Update:
I removed JuiceDefender, and I installed advanced task killer, and APN on/off widget and the battery life is much better now. I turn data off when I'm not using the phone and I kill tasks about 3-4 times a day. The screen is dimmed to 15%.
As per Android system info:
Up time: 1 days, 3 hours, 1 minutes, 59 seconds
Up time (without sleep): 0 days, 4 hours, 23 minutes, 8 seconds
17 % battery life left
I checked the settings and it says:
Display 40% (time on 2h 33m 58s)
Standby 29%
Phone Idle 22%
Wifi 4%
Android System 3%
Broswer 2%
Quick question for advanced users, I noticed that Android sys info says up time without sleep is just over 4 huors while the phone settings says 2h 33m, any idea which one is more accurate? I'm assuming up time without sleep = time screen is on.

Switch off GPS. I read about it and how it improved batteries. Bloody true. Its great advice.

naz78 said:
Quick question for advanced users, I noticed that Android sys info says up time without sleep is just over 4 huors while the phone settings says 2h 33m, any idea which one is more accurate? I'm assuming up time without sleep = time screen is on.
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Time without sleep = time screen is on
IF nothing isn't keeping the phone awake.
The phone setting says 2h 33m because it counts the time that the phone was asleep AND the screen was off.
The real percentage is the one Android sys info gives you.
It is rather normal for the phone to have slightly more awake time that screen on time, as some applications work even when the screen is off (push Gmail, the clock, some widget etc...).
As long as your wake time is not 100%, you're just fine.

My_Immortal said:
Time without sleep = time screen is on
IF nothing isn't keeping the phone awake.
The phone setting says 2h 33m because it counts the time that the phone was asleep AND the screen was off.
The real percentage is the one Android sys info gives you.
It is rather normal for the phone to have slightly more awake time that screen on time, as some applications work even when the screen is off (push Gmail, the clock, some widget etc...).
As long as your wake time is not 100%, you're just fine.
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Thanks for the info. Good to know that Android sys info is accurate, almost 5 hours of up time is amazing.

Battery drain while idle - "suspend" process

Hello,
When I got my SGS it only ate 2-3% of the battery during the night. Since then I've tried many different firmwares, currently on the latest JM6, and all of them have had a very annoying problem. It eats 8-10% of the battery during night. I haven't changed anything, wifi is "always on" to avoid it eating battery using 3G. Ofcourse I've tried turning it off, too. The funny thing is that using Spare Parts it seems like it's the "suspend" process using a lot of CPU, which I believe it definately shouldn't. Some times after flashing it seems okay and can sleep properly, but then it goes haywire again - without having installed anything since it worked. Anyone else having "suspend" process using a lot of CPU?
To test, install Spare Parts. Plug in the charger, and remove it again to reset stats (Spare Parts uses some system app to show the CPU usage, and its default view is "since last unplugged", very practical). Go to bed. Sleep. Wake up. Start Spare Parts. Select "Battery History". Click "Other usage", select "CPU usage". Wait for half a minute or so (it needs to load data, if you click anything now you won't get CPU time used). Find the "suspend" process. Check how much CPU it has used.
I might add, that this doesn't seem to have anything to do with wake locks, it's something strange in the system itself.

try next time with all unecessary items off
like WiFi, GPS, BT anything that you don't use when you go to sleep

AllGamer said:
try next time with all unecessary items off
like WiFi, GPS, BT anything that you don't use when you go to sleep
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Thanks, but I've noticed something strange - still checking, but it seems as if I haven't got my SD card inserted, it looks okay...

I use JM5, Wifi Always on, 3G Always on, Auto sync off when unnecessary.
I was working at the polling booths on Election day here in AU, that's from 7:30AM till 11:30PM, I didn't really need to use my phone for anything, but when I got out 16 hours later I noticed that I had only lost about 3-4% battery.
It's pretty good. D:
For the record:
Bluetooth - This only needs to be turned off if there are devices that auto-pair with the phone, such as a bluetooth headset, in which case you probably want it on anyway?
GPS - This does not need to be turned off as it only uses battery when a service is actively requesting a gps fix. For example if you have Maps open it will drain more battery, but it won't on standby unless you are using Location tracking software or otherwise location aware software.
WiFi - Truth to be told, WiFi when connected uses less power than a 3G connection on standby. WiFi does have the potential to use a lot more power than 3G because of the higher speed potential over a local wireless network. In most cases it's pretty safe to have WiFi always on, however it should be noted that when WiFi is NOT connected it will constantly scan for access points to connect to, this process uses power ON TOP of 3G, so it would be wasteful to leave this on unnecessarily unless you were using it for Google Location services via WiFi access points.
3G Data - The only reason this 'uses power' is because it's a always-on connection, you can partially remedy this by giving WiFi always-on priority saving both mobile data quota and some power. 2G uses a lot less power than 3G simply because it uses the GSM chip in the phone, not it's own higher power chip. So switch to 2G if u don't need high speed data, but want always on Push notifications and such. (EDGE is fairly fast, but I only get GPRS and 3G on my carrier. )
Brightness - This phone has a super bright screen, use something in the lower settings, auto brightness at day if you want.

sturmeh said:
I use JM5, Wifi Always on, 3G Always on, Auto sync off when unnecessary.
I was working at the polling booths on Election day here in AU, that's from 7:30AM till 11:30PM, I didn't really need to use my phone for anything, but when I got out 16 hours later I noticed that I had only lost about 3-4% battery.
It's pretty good. D:
For the record:
Bluetooth - This only needs to be turned off if there are devices that auto-pair with the phone, such as a bluetooth headset, in which case you probably want it on anyway?
GPS - This does not need to be turned off as it only uses battery when a service is actively requesting a gps fix. For example if you have Maps open it will drain more battery, but it won't on standby unless you are using Location tracking software or otherwise location aware software.
WiFi - Truth to be told, WiFi when connected uses less power than a 3G connection on standby. WiFi does have the potential to use a lot more power than 3G because of the higher speed potential over a local wireless network. In most cases it's pretty safe to have WiFi always on, however it should be noted that when WiFi is NOT connected it will constantly scan for access points to connect to, this process uses power ON TOP of 3G, so it would be wasteful to leave this on unnecessarily unless you were using it for Google Location services via WiFi access points.
3G Data - The only reason this 'uses power' is because it's a always-on connection, you can partially remedy this by giving WiFi always-on priority saving both mobile data quota and some power. 2G uses a lot less power than 3G simply because it uses the GSM chip in the phone, not it's own higher power chip. So switch to 2G if u don't need high speed data, but want always on Push notifications and such. (EDGE is fairly fast, but I only get GPRS and 3G on my carrier. )
Brightness - This phone has a super bright screen, use something in the lower settings, auto brightness at day if you want.
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I've got bluetooth off all the time, it's currently running a very new install of JM6, and I haven't installed anything that runs when I don't want it to run. 3G isn't used, as wifi is always on (advanced wifi settings).
It's around 7 hours since I pulled the plug, after having restarted phone after removing SD card, and the suspend process isn't even on the list anymore... I find this quite interesting - it might just be a coincidence, but right now it looks like there is some kind of problem with suspend process when SD card is in... Do you have an "external" SD card in your phone?

ive just flashed JM1 and hate how much power its using... no idea what the problem is, but ive just come off the official JM1 from Kies, and had a big problem so had to flash the first thing i could find. can this really be down to firmware?
i mean im really noticing a difference on standby, before id loose like 3-4% in a whole day of not using it, now it drops 10% in like a few hours...

sensi_ said:
ive just flashed JM1 and hate how much power its using... no idea what the problem is, but ive just come off the official JM1 from Kies, and had a big problem so had to flash the first thing i could find. can this really be down to firmware?
i mean im really noticing a difference on standby, before id loose like 3-4% in a whole day of not using it, now it drops 10% in like a few hours...
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Do you have "external" SD card?

i do use 16GB class 6 external SD from Transcent

MoWa22,
I had this happen to me last night and (am stock DXJG04) so very interesting. Trying to remember what my battery drain was last night but I think it was around 10-15% and previously I would get 1% if I turned everything off except being able to receive calls.
I always thought these issues were related to wake locks or that the phone just cannot sleep. Something to try is to reboot the phone and check the battery power before going to sleep and see the battery drain over the night. If minimal battery drain, then maybe it is a rogue app which you may have opened/used during the day. If same 8-10% drain, then am guessing some service or inbuilt process is causing issues.
Half the battle is trying to track the CPU hog or rogue app.

Dang. Lost almost 10% again tonight - but actually the "suspend" process almost didn't use any CPU, SD card still not in phone. Using the built-in battery usage thing, it has cell standby on top, phone idle right below. This is really starting to bother me...

Last night while I turned off APN, Wifi, GPS, etc, I left my phone on as 3G only. I've heard the switch between 3G to 2G causes extra battery drain so I had left the phone on as 3G only. I know 2G is lot less of a battery strain but wonder if it affects cell phone standby. Going to leave my phone on 2G tonight.

I have 3G and sync on. I have weather and feed widgets updated every hour. Plus some other widgets and Google Latitude which I know is using cpu time. My drain is about 1 to 1.2% drain per hour of standby. Firmware DJG4.
I think you dont need to bother too much if battery drains 1-2% per hour on standby (this gives you at least 2-4 days if you use the phone very little). Any more than this means you may have some rouge apps/widgets.
The more critical is the usage time (i.e. with screen on). This is usually like 15-20% drop per hour of use.

Been testing a bit again - this night I had a total of approx. 1% battery used in 9 hours. Still without SD card. I inserted the SD card one hour ago, and I've lost 5-6% already - and suspend process is on top of the list again... Definately something weird going on when SD card is inserted! Please, can anyone test with/without SD card and check for differences?

I spotted this thread and read with interest as last night I noticed my power dropped "unreasonably". I've not started any troubleshooting yet but I am curious about the SD card thing.
Have you tried having the SD card in, but unmounted? Does it still suck powere when unmounted?
Obviously unmounting it is a simpler and quicker process than removing the cover and then physically removing the card.
Mark.

Upgraded to the new Froyo today, seems to be without suspend problems even with SD card. Gotta check how much battery it'll eat during the night.

MoWa22 said:
Upgraded to the new Froyo today, seems to be without suspend problems even with SD card. Gotta check how much battery it'll eat during the night.
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2% drain during the night. Uhm, I like this.

MoWa22 said:
2% drain during the night. Uhm, I like this.
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How did you manage that? Everything off? auto-sync off? Wifi? 3g? 2g?

I'm on jm5 with Samset 1.9f and for all the time ive had this phone it has only used 2% battery overnight. Exceptional cases were when i used Fancy Widget, it ate up all my battery overnight leaving me with nothing for the next day. Have stopped using it ever since.
Nowadays, my battery drains heavily when screen is on(when im using the phone). Drains roughly about 1% for every 2 mins im using it, but standby time is still great at 2% overnight...

Qazz~ said:
I'm on jm5 with Samset 1.9f and for all the time ive had this phone it has only used 2% battery overnight. Exceptional cases were when i used Fancy Widget, it ate up all my battery overnight leaving me with nothing for the next day. Have stopped using it ever since.
Nowadays, my battery drains heavily when screen is on(when im using the phone). Drains roughly about 1% for every 2 mins im using it, but standby time is still great at 2% overnight...
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And do you by any chance run without "external" SD card?

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How did you manage that? Everything off? auto-sync off? Wifi? 3g? 2g?
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The new Froyo beta JPC. Same settings as always - WiFi always on (which by the way seems to be default setting on JPC). Everything else standard (it won't switch to 3G while using WiFi).

anyone that can help me with battery life?

thiis thing dies on me really quick, at home not as bad when I'm on wifi, but i left this morning from my house, and by the time I got to work 45 minutes later i'm at like 90% and i've done nothing on the phone, not a thing, no text, no voice calls. time without signal is 0.
then of course I get to work and time without signal jumps to like 22%, but still, my blackberry didn't go dead in half a day. i'm running the mixup undervolted kernal and the epic experience rom.
I do run gps and normal phone settings but turning them off is really not an option, especially for my wife that just needs a phone that works and isn't dead before she is out of work, and she doesn't even use the phone.
am I doing something wrong or is the battery life really this crappy?
and it was worse before the new kernal on DI18, and way worse before that.

i use the same set up i got 10 hours under pretty use
try turning gps off at work

So what are you leaving on? 4g? Gps? WiFi? I found that using black wallpaper helps.

wifi and gps are always on, it seems its TWS that is killing it. at like 22% right now. battery is down to 83% right now 2 hours off charger. no voice calls or text calls.

If you are getting a tws of 50% then put your phone into airplane mode for about 10 seconds and then switch it back, you will see a dramatic decease in tws
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Here's a few things you can do ...
1) If you have Sprint service in most places, turn off roaming (Settings, Call settings, System select, Sprint). This will disable roaming period so that all roaming services are disabled (i.e. you won't ever see the data roaming guard).
2) Download JuiceDefender beta (this turns off all data, i.e. Wifi / 3G, whenever your phone's screen is off, if you purchase UltimateJuice with it, you can schedule it however you want, and you can choose to allow some apps to always allow data to go through). This saves me a LOT of battery since my screen is usually off.
3) Try the TWS hack mentioned in the earlier post, it should be fixed in DI18, but some people are still seeing high numbers there.
4) If you're rooted, get an app like Autostarts and disable the DRM service from ever running. This was found to be a battery killer.
The biggest battery drainer of them all is the GPS, and then 3G. If you can minimize your uses with those, you will maximize battery life. Also, use Wifi in areas that have it because Wifi hardly drains battery at all compared to 3G. I haven't seen any kernel really that gets much more battery life than stock, so doing these things will help. I love the Epic, but the battery life is a real downer for me too. I've gotten a full day's use (medium use) at times, while some days it hardly lasts at all.

Yes do the airplane mode trick and turn off gps if you are not using it and DO NOT USE JUICE DEFENDER i get 45 hours battery life without it. that app runs constantly in the background and uses more battery. Juice defender is for lazy people that dont know how to find these data and sync settings that are already on the phone or you can download an app that will let you toggle whatever setting you need. Set emails to sync once an hour and if it is really a priority then go into the email account and push refresh.

If you are really getting 45 hours of battery while actually using your phone then will you please share all of the settings that you have that give you this kind of battery life
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Use SetCPU, it will turn down the processor while the screen is off. Helped alot with battery life. =)

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I found that using black wallpaper helps.
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I wondered if that would do anything. Considering how AMOLED works, dark themes and wallpapers *should* help battery life similar to reducing brightness.

Auto-Sync does some mean damage if your settings are too frequent, too. Try not to use Facebook/Twitter/Myspace integration, if possible, or disable them from syncing automatically, and sync them yourself when you feel the need.

Okay I don't know exactly what I did/didn't do but my battery problem seems to be greatly improved. Lets start with my details. Before 2 days ago. No matter what my use my battery drain would be approx 6-8% an hour. If I took my phone off the charger at 11am by 4pm I would be around 60%. GPS/4g/wifi off. Screen brightness set to lowest. tws not too bad. Using both the tws trick and drm stopped. Usually 2 or 3 phone calls 5-10 texts 5-10 minutes of browsing. I had a task killer installed but never used it to kill tasks just as an app switcher. Even after the di18 update no major difference. So the other day I downloaded an app called system panel. Another task manager. I deleted the task killer widget on my home page but no the app. The first day I took my phone off the charger used it for about an hour then put it back on the charger for about 15 minutes. When I took it off the charger it was at 96%. I opened system panel and killed all apps (necessary services/apps restarted immediately) did tws trick and drm kill. Same use as always after 8 hours my battery was at 80% a 16% drop. That's 2% an hour. The next day I deleted my task killer and over the same period of time I went from 96% to 83% (13% lose over 8 hrs) Only a little over 1% lose an hour. The only difference that I am aware of was the deletion of the task killer widget and then the app completely.

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If you are really getting 45 hours of battery while actually using your phone then will you please share all of the settings that you have that give you this kind of battery life
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Ditto, I'd like to hear what you're doing too ... even when I do not TOUCH the phone, I cannot get 45 hours. I think you're being a bit optimistic here.

Lmao No. Since di18 it has been great. I use my phone for a lot of stuff too. I have a live wall paper and rss feeds that update. email is set to once an hour. Now dont get me wrong if i play a game then it will suck my battery pretty good like 5% for ten minutes. i have a widget for sync settings. im rooted with ALL SPRINT apps removed i think thats the biggest thing. dont leave gps or other on if you are not using it. i do not have drm removed. i use full brightness. i talk a few times a day and dozens of text and web surfing. no juice defender or task killers. The object for me was to not have any unneccessary stuff run when it doesnt need to. so the phone is set to come alive when the screen is on not off. Check ALL APP and WIDGET SETTINGS FOR HOW OFTEN THEY UPDATE. I DO MEAN ALL. GO THROUGH EVERY APP AND CHECK THEIR SETTINGS ALSO the biggest drain is make sure you sign out gtalk or it will just constantly run. I shoulda posted my screen shot of battery life earlier sorry i will as soon as it reads 1d21h again. prolly tomorrow afternoon.... Rooted,cwm,galaxy rom and kernel, blue minimalism theme

jbadboy2007 said:
Yes do the airplane mode trick and turn off gps if you are not using it and DO NOT USE JUICE DEFENDER i get 45 hours battery life without it. that app runs constantly in the background and uses more battery. Juice defender is for lazy people that dont know how to find these data and sync settings that are already on the phone or you can download an app that will let you toggle whatever setting you need. Set emails to sync once an hour and if it is really a priority then go into the email account and push refresh.
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i do the airplane trick, problem is it seems,when im on wifi, the life is great, battery is perfect, as soon as you go to 3g, it goes to crap, plus the service where I work is spotty as well. I don't know what to do, seriously I can't go through 2 years of great cell service that I can't use because the battery is dead. I mean if I could get through 10 hours it wouldn't be bad, but as it is now, i'm lucky to squeak through about 8 hours. and I have the mixup kernal that is undervolted and supposedly already messing around with the cpu. usually on 3g, no matter where I am pretty much I"m at like 10-20% TWS.

tws is 50% for me. just stop the data with sync settings then it has no reason to draw more. my house and school have terrible service. you are only losing battery life due to data that is going really slow and it takes way more battery to accomplish. i keep wifi on all nite at my house but my sync settings are off. i do this so its not searching for 3g because i have an airrave and wifi. i used the di07 mixup and was not happy with it. galaxy roms have been the least buggy and very stable with the best battery life. That might be my opinion but also genius dog doesnt have an epic yet so i cant trust his stuff when he cant see the impacts with the kernels he is making. but he does know code i will tell you that.

robl45 said:
i do the airplane trick, problem is it seems,when im on wifi, the life is great, battery is perfect, as soon as you go to 3g, it goes to crap, plus the service where I work is spotty as well. I don't know what to do, seriously I can't go through 2 years of great cell service that I can't use because the battery is dead. I mean if I could get through 10 hours it wouldn't be bad, but as it is now, i'm lucky to squeak through about 8 hours. and I have the mixup kernal that is undervolted and supposedly already messing around with the cpu. usually on 3g, no matter where I am pretty much I"m at like 10-20% TWS.
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Holy crap 8 hour battery life is really bad.
Do you have any apps syncing? A weak signal with an app syncing can have a devastating effect on the battery life.
In my school building I get 0-1 signal bars and once I use the stock email app to sync my email every hour with 3G on my battery life is probably a third as good.

How?
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Yes do the airplane mode trick and turn off gps if you are not using it and DO NOT USE JUICE DEFENDER i get 45 hours battery life without it. that app runs constantly in the background and uses more battery. Juice defender is for lazy people that dont know how to find these data and sync settings that are already on the phone or you can download an app that will let you toggle whatever setting you need. Set emails to sync once an hour and if it is really a priority then go into the email account and push refresh.
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sent from my epic 4g with no 4g

only thing syncing is gmail, I refuse to stop syncing my email, otherwise whats the point of the phone? my blackberry could do push no problem, the iphone could do push no problem.
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Holy crap 8 hour battery life is really bad.
Do you have any apps syncing? A weak signal with an app syncing can have a devastating effect on the battery life.
In my school building I get 0-1 signal bars and once I use the stock email app to sync my email every hour with 3G on my battery life is probably a third as good.
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robl45 said:
only thing syncing is gmail, I refuse to stop syncing my email, otherwise whats the point of the phone? my blackberry could do push no problem, the iphone could do push no problem.
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Inside my building where I get a weak signal I turn off 3G and use the wifi to sync my apps regularly. I get a good wifi signal there.
If I can't get a good 3G signal in the building than there's not much I can do to my phone to make the 3G signal better (I think that's the cause for the battery drain).