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So Koush on twitter just announced he is returning his xoom.
which ****en sucks, i hope he is kind enough to give us RM when the sdcard is supported.
and also reports all over the net today say the motorola will stop production on xooms in June...OF THIS YEAR
this all kinda sucks in the eyes of consumers (me + you) for software developers and even accessories. I dont know, maybe im kinda freaking but, it looks as though the motorola xoom is the nexus one of android tablets....i just hope it stays that way in the dev world.
Today seems to be a dark day for the Xoom community as well. All these bad news about the end of production, people canceling Xoom orders for the new G-Tab, now Koush leaving. But life goes on and I love my Xoom! After all, the Xoom is just the vessel for Honeycomb, isn't it? And as long as the bee lives we'll be supported by great developers
Hey Honestly,
Koush is a cool guy and he holds a ton of weight in the android community and I personally respect him and his talent, that being said I could give 2 ****s about what he or anyone else buys, never buys, or returns, and so should everyone else.
Personally the Xoom does what I need it to, and I like it. Some people will feel the same way about the Ipad 2, some people feel the same way about the galaxy tab, and some people feel the same way about Cheese. Out of all of us whos right? Every single one
If you like the Xoom be happy with it, if not return it. Simple as that. My only request is you dont post on here about how awsome your new device is because honestly you can go post that in the forum of the new device and it will not make people angry or sound like your gloating
The Xoom is the Nexus One of the Tab community, because with all of these new devices coming out who knows how much bloat ware or sense or blur or other crap they will have on them. Samsung for one does a totally steller job of providing updates for their devices (thats sarcasm) so I wouldn’t buy anything from them, but again this is my opinion, and someone may totally love their devices and want to catch them all (just like the pokemon) .
As for Motorola, what they’re doing is pretty standard. Think about it they probably have been producing units since Jan possibly even December for a early march release, a 6 month production run in a market where every week a newer shinnier toy comes out I feel is pretty standard.
Thats all just my opinion hope it makes you feel a little better tho And in the great words of Bob Marley, dont worry be happy
dudeimgeorge said:
and also reports all over the net today say the motorola will stop production on xooms in June...OF THIS YEAR
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Honestly, I doubt this is completely true. It just says that they are stepping down production, and with good reason.
Things like this happen all the time in industry. You build 1 million devices, and then you use your manufacturing capabilities to build other things while you sell down the inventory, then you start pushing out units again once you get to another level.
All this means is that they are selling alot less than they are making, which may or may not change when the wifi version is released.
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Honestly, I doubt this is completely true. It just says that they are stepping down production, and with good reason.
Things like this happen all the time in industry. You build 1 million devices, and then you use your manufacturing capabilities to build other things while you sell down the inventory, then you start pushing out units again once you get to another level.
All this means is that they are selling alot less than they are making, which may or may not change when the wifi version is released.
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Wifi will give a price point that more people can agree with.
I'm anxiously awaiting my Wifi order to ship from Amazon.
Motorola showed us in the past that if they don't make money with their device, they quickly stop to support it.
Knowing the Xoom is running on an early version of Honeycomb, this doesn't look good at all...Makes me want to cancel my preorder actually...
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I really don't care what koush buys, he bought and sold the galaxy tab 7" in the same amount of time.
If he really cared about the xda community his bootloader would be open source...if he stops making it someone will step in and make one.
Edit: I know he does open source the code, but I'm unsure if the xoom support is in there.
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I just got my xoom for the GPS maps and the turn by turn directions. It works good for that so Im keeping mine!
This is really one of the major downsides of the Internet. It used to be that somebody could have a knee-jerk reaction to something, but by the time it filtered through editors, producers, etc., and into the print and publication media it had already been toned down and made far more realistic.
Nowadays, somebody misunderstands or misquotes something, and five minutes later it's believed as fact by the majority of the population, which has been conditioned to get information in tiny little chunks without any appreciation for context.
lifegear said:
Motorola showed us in the past that if they don't make money with their device, they quickly stop to support it.
Knowing the Xoom is running on an early version of Honeycomb, this doesn't look good at all...Makes me want to cancel my preorder actually...
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Oh please, the OG Droid got an update the other day didn't it? Our xooms are unlocked and unmodified to such a degree that we will be able to create roms from the 3.0 source code without any issue.
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Bauxite said:
I really don't care what koush buys, he bought and sold the galaxy tab 7" in the same amount of time.
If he really cared about the xda community his bootloader would be open source...if he stops making it someone will step in and make one.
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I thought his bootloader was open source? Wasnt that the origional reason it was created as opposed to Amon_RA? Or do I have it backwards?
jvward said:
And in the great words of Bob Marley, dont worry be happy
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Wasn't that Bobby McFerrin?
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Wasn't that Bobby McFerrin?
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Yep it was, its been a long day and I am tired
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I thought his bootloader was open source? Wasnt that the origional reason it was created as opposed to Amon_RA? Or do I have it backwards?
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Whether or not he pushed the code for the xoom is the issue right now.
All I know is Amazon needs to ship it already!
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All I know is Amazon needs to ship it already!
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This development might put the remaing xooms in high demand. Whatever happens I bet they will sell out FAST!. I am glad I allready have 2 of them in my home!. You know what they say..... a bird in the hand is worth 2 xooms on pre order at Amazon! LOL
i FREAKING LOVE my xoom. I have an ipad that also and I never touch it. Go android!!!
android ftw yo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTUwqxHpXMY
i love my xoom too and im pretty content with it. i sold my ipad, two weeks before the announcement of the ipad 2 (robbed the dude on craigslist)
my main concern at this point, and i think its to a certain degree, paranoia, that the pushing up updates, dev community mods and improvements all together will be few and far between.
after typing that i realize thats nonsense, motorola sliced off at least 1-2months of shipping delays by delaying adobe, the sdcard and the 4g...just to be ahead of the pack.
whether that option was smart in the longrun is a question for the finance people. but as a android geek im good with that, just as long as developers (like koush) still have at it.
Thank god Moto priced the Xoom so high that I(and other sane people) got the ipad 2. At least I know that Apple wont just drop their product like that less than 6 months after release.
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Thinking of getting the xoom over the samsung tab 10.1 are people happy with the xoom?
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If you want a supported device get a xoom. I think the new gtab will launch with 2.1 and get 3.0 in about 8-12 months. (JK, but seriously Samsung has a proven track record of ZERO support for their devices)
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Thinking of getting the xoom over the samsung tab 10.1 are people happy with the xoom?
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You're probably going to get a bunch of people yelling at you for asking a question that has been asked many times over.
I'll answer though.
In short, yes it's good. It's excellent in my opinion.
Currently all Tablets running Honeycomb are going to suffer from having relatively few apps. This was the case when the first iPad was released. Luckily there are plenty of developers out there dedicated to creating quality applications for Honeycomb. Within a month or two, there will be an influx of applications and people will wish they had purchased the Xoom when they had the chance. With production numbers dropping there is no telling what Motorola's next design might be. It could be a locked down version like the Atrix phone kind of similar to what happened with the original Droid that was running vanilla Android. The Droid 2 had Motoblur and a locked bootloader; currently, owners of the original Droid are enjoying Gingerbread by Peter Alfonso.
Here are some current complaints:
1) No SD card support yet
2) LTE Upgrade will take 6 days
3) Application selection is limited
4) Performance seems low for a dual core product
My response:
1) It is coming and currently the unit has 32 GB of internal storage, are you running out already? If so, sit tight and you will be able to expand it to 64GB really cheaply.
2) Better than waiting 3 months on the release of the Xoom altogether, and if you are using it Wifi only like I am tethering it to my Epic 4G, LTE is irrelevant.
3) This will change with time, early adopters syndrome
4) As Google releases new versions of Honeycomb this will be addressed. Additionally there are already kernels bumping the speed from 1Ghz to 1.5Ghz creating a 50% performance increase out of the gates.
Anyway, it's all preference. I love Motorola's products so I got the Xoom.
This is like walking into an Apple store and asking if Macs are any good. What are you expecting?
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Having never owned a tab before, the xoom is my first experience and I think it's awosme.
Matter of fact i loved the xoom so much i dumped my iphone 4 and got an HTC inspire for my everyday phone.
I personally have only one complaint and that is it's very susceptable to glare.
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Having never owned a tab before, the xoom is my first experience and I think it's awosme.
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Well you're not alone, no one here has probably used the Tab 10.1 before because it isn't out yet! lol.
But seriously OP, coming to a Xoom forum asking a question that's been asked in detail a million times already is ridiculous. You're gonna get pretty polarized answers... Every other post in this forum is about how good/bad the Xoom is, just read.
anywho, back to the OP's question,
i'd wait it out and get that samsung. its thinner, lighter, cheaper, and has a better display than the xoom. but lets not get ahead here, those samsung tablets at CTIA were mockups.
as for updates, do not worry about that, as updates will be coming since the new gtab's will be a near google experience device. CNET has reported that the TouchWiz updates could possibly be an optional update. And tbh, i kinda like the new touchwiz UI.
personally, i'd wait.
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anywho, back to the OP's question,
personally, i'd wait.
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Samsung is evil incarnate, having just come from a Samsung Fascinate, I can tell you touchwiz is the most godawful piece of software you could ever have on your device. Not becuase it isnt good, touchwiz isnt all that bad, but, and this is a BIG bit, YOU WILL NEVER GET UPDATES. EVER. PERIOD. THANKS FOR PLAYING BUY OUR NEXT PRODUCT TO GET A SOFTWARE UPGRADE! No thank you. Not playing that game again. Not now. Not ever!
I can't wait to see if the GTabs will get updated. That is one of the main reasons people seem to be using to prevent others from liking them. Luckily the general population could care less about going from Android 2.2, to 2.3, and for those who can't wait... rooting is the alternative. Or buying another device.
Thanks to everyone that posted USEFUL comments.
I was at work and posted from my phone, so didn't want to risk reading 100's of threads.
This would be my first tablet so dont want spend £500+ and get a laggy device.
I have clicked "thanks" for everyone who left a useful comment.
It does not really matter if it's close to stock. Example the g2.
If you're one of those folks that always want the updates first you basically need a Google experience device.
Sammy seems to be the worst out of all the oems though.
Also look at the vodafone nexus one as far as updates that are tied to carrier goes.
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Motorola has already said that the report on cutting back on manufacturing xooms is 100% BS
I'm also considering buying a Xoom... I was going to buy the Galaxy tab 10.1, but yesterdays announcement kind of changed that, i don't want to wait until June.
So i have two options now, buy a Xoom or the original Galaxy Tab 10.1 (now renamed to 10.1v in EU).
About Xoom, i like the idea of clean Android, updates, USB and microSD slot. I have a feeling that Xoom will get more support in XDA forums also.
I'm not sure i like the extra 131g.
About Galaxy Tab 10.1v, i actually like the original design more, i don't care that it's 2mm thicker then the new one.
But I'm sure I don't like the idea of not getting any updates or getting a update with that TouchWiz UX.
Considering all this and that you have actually hold the 730g Xoom in your hand, which would you buy?
The Touchwiz UI they put on the tab isnt the same as one on the phones. But still, even that has to be revamped when new version of android comes out. Samsung is the worst when talking about updates. I liked the design of the original GTab 10.1 too, but thinking of updates, I went ahead and got the xoom. Samsung just needs to stop putting **** on awesome device like that and make the damn thing go into shame.
I know alot of peoples stance on the SD card, Motorola never officially said when the SD card will work blahblahblah. I don't care. There are three major factors in why I chose the xoom, one it came out around tax time, two it had an SD card, and three it had a 4g upgrade in 90 days. Now the SD card, if anyone remembers correctly wasn't announced nonfumctional till within a week of its launch, I don't exactly know cause I somehow missed that memo until after I purchased my xoom. But regardless of what some people think about it, I expected it within a timely manner. Now with news of the xoom 2 hitting motors site during that slip up, I am to wonder whether our xoom will be outdated before its even got all the features I expected from it.now I know all devises get outdated rather quickly, but when i spent my 800+ on the thing I expected a good 6-12 month period before that would happen. With my lack of 4g and SD card running on stock, it looks like well be outdated when the tab 10.1 releases. Maybe not with a quadcore, or any substantial hardware, but with the features I bought my xoom for over 3 months ago. I do enjoy my xoom, and its bezel is far supirior to any other android tablet out there, but I want my damn features!
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I know alot of peoples stance on the SD card, Motorola never officially said when the SD card will work blahblahblah. I don't care. There are three major factors in why I chose the xoom, one it came out around tax time, two it had an SD card, and three it had a 4g upgrade in 90 days. Now the SD card, if anyone remembers correctly wasn't announced nonfumctional till within a week of its launch, I don't exactly know cause I somehow missed that memo until after I purchased my xoom. But regardless of what some people think about it, I expected it within a timely manner. Now with news of the xoom 2 hitting motors site during that slip up, I am to wonder whether our xoom will be outdated before its even got all the features I expected from it.now I know all devises get outdated rather quickly, but when i spent my 800+ on the thing I expected a good 6-12 month period before that would happen. With my lack of 4g and SD card running on stock, it looks like well be outdated when the tab 10.1 releases. Maybe not with a quadcore, or any substantial hardware, but with the features I bought my xoom for over 3 months ago. I do enjoy my xoom, and its bezel is far supirior to any other android tablet out there, but I want my damn features!
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I think you have a right to be disappointed and even angry, because the way things are advertised these days can be very misleading. The biggest issue for you, I think, is the promised 4G conversion...that would be a big one for me. I got a WiFi Xoom only because I aready have a mobile 4G hotspot that works well for me. But I really do sympathize. Do you want to do some of the customizing (rooting/custom kernels...) that can make this a really wonderful device? Or are you trying to stay stock so that the 4G upgrade will not be problemmatic when it happens? Either way, you've got a great device. With Moore's Law and the manufacturers' desire for more and more money, no one will be able to stay on the bleeding edge of this technology for long. Try to regret less and have more fun with your Xoom. Just my 2 cents worth.
Motorola support
Motorola support is virtually non-existant. They are already selling the Xoom to discount retailers and it is selling on Ebay for $499 ( Wi-Fi model ).
The Motorola support forum is helpful as is this one. But be careful on Motorola.
I got banned for criticizing their lack of support and communication.
If you're a fanboy though you're gold there.
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I got banned for criticizing their lack of support and communication.
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That's the reason you're going with, huh?
I'll be rooting, and I know I could now and enjoy more. My main reason for not originally had been to just make it past the 4g upgrade, but with that possibly taking another 90 days I might look into it sooner. All I really would be rooting for is the SD card, until icecream comes out and we can get some devs to make some custom roms, I really don't have that big a reason 'sides SD, and ocing. Are there any other benefits in doing so? I do have to read up on it all, cause the closest thing I did to rooting was jailbreaking the iPhone (which I did that from day one). I guess I don't really know the point of this thread besides to see if others feel the same, I mean I feel like I was straight lied too. People on here keep saying just because the SD card slot was included doesn't mean we should expect it, well that may be true for a 100$ device, but when you pay as much as some of us, it had better work, and damn fast. But I guess not, and I guess there isn't much that can be done about that. My anger isn't at the Xoom, I love this thing so much even at stock. It simply is directed towards Motorola. I wouldnt have been a hard early adopter to please, just my 4g, my SD, and with 3.1 my face literally would have stayed this way XD for days.
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That's the reason you're going with, huh?
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What happens is the Motorola fanboys gang bang people with negative opinions of Motorola. They are allowed to personally attack you, but as soon as fight back, Matt starts sending you threats of being banned.
Hell, between how I've been treated in that forum, and the obvious hardware design problems Motorola is having (see work-in-progress Xoom and the back-to-the-drawingboard Bionic), while wasting resources and time on turning Blur into Big Brother and locked bootloaders, I'm never buying a Motorola product again.
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What happens is the Motorola fanboys gang bang people with negative opinions of Motorola. They are allowed to personally attack you, but as soon as fight back, Matt starts sending you threats of being banned.
Hell, between how I've been treated in that forum, and the obvious hardware design problems Motorola is having (see work-in-progress Xoom and the back-to-the-drawingboard Bionic), while wasting resources and time on turning Blur into Big Brother and locked bootloaders, I'm never buying a Motorola product again.
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"Freedom is slavery", right?
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"Freedom is slavery", right?
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Freedom to find your own SD card solution.
Freedom from 4g.
Freedom from unlocking bootloaders, except when Google forces them to have an unlockable bootloader.
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Freedom to find your own SD card solution.
Freedom from 4g.
Freedom from unlocking bootloaders, except when Google forces them to have an unlockable bootloader.
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Ah, the slogans of <strike>Ingsoc</strike> Apple:
o Freedom is Slavery
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RadDudeTommy said:
I'll be rooting, and I know I could now and enjoy more. My main reason for not originally had been to just make it past the 4g upgrade, but with that possibly taking another 90 days I might look into it sooner. All I really would be rooting for is the SD card, until icecream comes out and we can get some devs to make some custom roms, I really don't have that big a reason 'sides SD, and ocing. Are there any other benefits in doing so? I do have to read up on it all, cause the closest thing I did to rooting was jailbreaking the iPhone (which I did that from day one). I guess I don't really know the point of this thread besides to see if others feel the same, I mean I feel like I was straight lied too. People on here keep saying just because the SD card slot was included doesn't mean we should expect it, well that may be true for a 100$ device, but when you pay as much as some of us, it had better work, and damn fast. But I guess not, and I guess there isn't much that can be done about that. My anger isn't at the Xoom, I love this thing so much even at stock. It simply is directed towards Motorola. I wouldnt have been a hard early adopter to please, just my 4g, my SD, and with 3.1 my face literally would have stayed this way XD for days.
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Let me preface this by saying I don't give a damn about Motorola...I followed a link to that forum once and one visit was enough.
However, I think the problem also resides with Google. It's clear that the Xoom hardward supports the external SD card, but for whatever reason, out of the box Honeycomb didn't. The development community enabled it straight away. The manufaturers all want to offer the best specs (and at least the Xoom is well built) but they are operating at the commercial edge of this rapidly changing technology. Still, if they (Moto) make promises they should keep them.
I don't care who is at fault or who is to blame. When you release a product that has features they all better work and i find this to be BS on both Google and Motorola's part! As for the 4G not being enabled withing 90 days like it was promised we should get something in return for being lied to! Maybe a free camera cable!
Motorola builds good quality products but the service and lies are by far starting to outweigh all the good things. If Moto keeps locking down things and going, in my opinion, downhill I will be forced to buy other products that are not of such good quality just to distance myself from all their BS!
As much as I like android and I hate to say this but if things don't change with Google, Motorola, and the rest of the Android manufactures I for one will be going to IOS.
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As much as I like android and I hate to say this but if things don't change with Google, Motorola, and the rest of the Android manufactures I for one will be going to IOS.
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As the saying goes, don't let the door hit you...
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IAs for the 4G not being enabled withing 90 days like it was promised we should get something in return for being lied to
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How do you figure we're being "lied to"? The parts just ain't there yet- they didn't even- for whatever reason- pass FCC approval 'till very recently, and you're not gonna put an uncertified part on the air unless you wanna get your butt reamed by the Government (i.e., it wasn't gonna happen any sooner).
I'm sure there's some sound technical reasons the Mobicom/Sierra Wireless/etc. cards aren't/weren't ready yet, and considering how new LTE is, and how much battery the technology can gobble up if not properly optimized (and I can only imagine how much *****ing and moaning there WILL be when we finally do get the LTE upgrade ) I think we all should chill a little and be more patient.
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I think we all should chill a little and be more patient.
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Considering the obvious incompetence of Motorola promptly fulfilling their obligations to Xoom owners, I think "we all" have paid for the right to no longer be patient with Motorola or its apologists.
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Considering the obvious incompetence of Motorola promptly fulfilling their obligations to Xoom owners
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So, you didn't read a thing I wrote. Gotcha.
best way to say it...hardware is fine, unfortunatly the software still needs fine tuning, i have no problem with asny of this, imaginw a product that was perfect out of the box...hmmm then that would be no fun...well i can think of one that works perfect, a piece of paper and a crayon
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I read your BS excuses and so many other excuses for over 3 months now, and the time where excuses matter is done.
Xoom is still a work-in-progress.
The Bionic went back to the drawing board.
Motorola announces Blur will now nag users about non-Motorola apps battery usage, which is hysterical, since the best battery savings move I ever made on an Android phone is putting a ROM with Blur removed on my Droid 2.
Meanwhile LG and Samsung both have LTE phones, and it's looking more and more likely that Samsung will have the first LTE Tablet.
Not to mention that Asus and xda both beat Motorola to getting a working SD card reader.
Sorry, but Motorola's incompetence is plainly seen, when not seen through the rose-tinted glasses of fanboyism.
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I read your BS excuses and so many other excuses for over 3 months now, and the time where excuses matter is done.
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Unh ... huh. So, you're blaming Moto 'cause their supplier didn't have the LTE parts ready yet for ANYONE- not me, you, or Sanjay Jha himself- to install.
OK.
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How do you figure we're being "lied to"? The parts just ain't there yet- they didn't even- for whatever reason- pass FCC approval 'till very recently, and you're not gonna put an uncertified part on the air unless you wanna get your butt reamed by the Government (i.e., it wasn't gonna happen any sooner).
I'm sure there's some sound technical reasons the Mobicom/Sierra Wireless/etc. cards aren't/weren't ready yet, and considering how new LTE is, and how much battery the technology can gobble up if not properly optimized (and I can only imagine how much *****ing and moaning there WILL be when we finally do get the LTE upgrade ) I think we all should chill a little and be more patient.
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Do you know for certain the LTE card that passed FCC certification last month is destined for the Xoom?
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well if you are so dissapointed get another device and i would be happy to take youre peice of "junk" off your hands...offer $50 + P&H
Hi. Just wanted to start a thread to counter all those complaint threads about not having everything we want from the xoom. It seems that about half of the Xoom threads on this site degrade after a page or two of posts into complaints about how either motorola or google is failing their customers. I for one am pretty happy with my xoom. I understood when I got it that this is an early adopter situation, and that the kinks are being worked out. I don't mind not having 4g yet; most cities don't have it either and, really, I can't think of anything that I need it for (that 3g isn't sufficiently quick enough to handle). I don't mind not having an SD card since I really don't want to spend the money on one that will significantly increase the 32g that's already in my xoom. I don't mind that motorola missed their deadline; kind of hoping they'll put together some package to thank users, like a free peripheral or some kind of upgrade discount to the xoom 2. I like my xoom, even though I still use my laptop more. I don't think the 3.1 update was that great, so I'm not sure I get all the non-US users freaking out about not having it. I just think we need to calm down, take a deep breath, and enjoy this new tablet experience. This tech stuff moves pretty quick; but our collective ADD is going a bit crazy with expecting a seven-month-old tech to be everything we want and more; getting angry that there's new things out that cost less (really? suprised that the first one cost more? come on now...); flipping out over not having perfected hardware.
If you agree that the Xoom is a great piece of tech, comment below. Please don't comment if all you want to do is complain about motorola or google. There's plenty of other threads for complaining.
Me too!
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I completely agree. There is always a cost for being an early adopter and there will always be something newer, cheaper, etc. on the horizon. I am very happy with my Xoom and am using it more and more each day. I hardly ever turn my laptop on at home anymore.
You post on xda and still don't have a working SD card reader?
well, his nickname suggests he's a slacker. lol. just joking.
but slack, I'm glad you loved your xoom. as do I. but I recommend rooting so that you can at least work around some of the issues.
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Agreed. There is nothing my xoom can't do that I expected it too when I shelled out for it.
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Sure the Xoom has its shortcomings, but doesn't almost every device?
The fact that it's a Google Experience device keeps it at the head of the pack for me, honestly. I just wish we had more correspondence from Motorola updating about the LTE and microSD card updates.
Then again, now with Google Music and Plex, I really don't need that much local storage, so the microSD card affects me less today than it did before Google Music.
I have since sold my MacBook and use my tablet for browsing on the couch or bed. Sure, the Galaxy Tab 10.1 looks great, but it has Touch Wiz, and it came out 4-5 months later.
Thanks for this thread. It's nice to read positive comments with all of the complaining going on. I've been happily surprised by the Xoom...the build quality and hardware potential, the OS and the smoothness of use, the the apps, the wonderful kernels and roms from our developers, all have contributed to a great experience. I do wish that some of the apps that were available for the Xoom before would be available again. The Xoom has replaced my laptop and I use it all the time.
the only things i really want are a bluetooth + keyboard compatability fix, and netflix.
I am quite content with my xoom as well. I agree with pekosROB that Motorola could communicate with their customers better but that is my main criticism. (In reality I can't think of any android manufacturer who communicates with their customers as clearly as I would like. Ah well)
Cheers
Well lets see, 3.1 adds support for a bluetooth mouse and USB host capability. Those two things alone make the update nessescary. Theres rumours of 3.2 coming out within the next few days and the rest of the world doesnt even have 3.1. Since your in the states you have the 3.1 update and soon to have 3.2 so you don't really see the point of everyones argument that doesn't have the update, all we get is a *soon*
I love my Xoom as well and yes I knew what I was buying, the problem I have with Motorola and as many many others have is they announced an update to 3.1 soon , In Canada that was over 2 months ago, then rumors of Xoom 2 start, then 3.2 is mentioned it could be here within days and the world outside the USA doe not even have 3.1 yet, then the 3.1 roll out starts but very slow and it starts in Asia, so yes many people ticked at Motorola, and yes I still love my Xoom, even though it cant do yet what it was promised it would or could do.
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Hi. Just wanted to start a thread to counter all those complaint threads about not having everything we want from the xoom.
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Hail Motorola! You can do no wrong. And even if you do wrong, I'll make believe that it's greatest thing since the invention of breast implants.
By the way, I like my Xoom, I just will never by another Motorola product again, because Motorola's support of their work-in-progress Xoom has been incompetent bordering on negligent.
After releasing their incomplete Xoom 4 and a half months ago, to beat the iPad 2 to market, completing the Xoom should have been Motorola's first support priority.
To me, lack of actions speak louder than excuses.
It's over 4 months now, and all we have to show for our wait is nothing, nada, zilch!
And that's also describes the future relationship between me and Motorola....nothing, nada, zilch!
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I'm also happy with my Xoom 3G.
I am pretty happy with the Xoom as well. I rooted mine minutes after buying and haven't looked back. I have SDCard support and can't recall ever really using it outside of flashing ROMS. I don't see what the big deal is about a SDCard when you have Google Music, Dropbox and Plex. 32GB of storage is more than enough for books, magazines, apps and games. I think when Moto does release the SDcard update, people will realize on a tablet with 32gb of storage, SDcards aren't really needed.
My only gripe is that Google and Moto have not done enough to get app developers on board with Honeycomb. Google has a great platform to build on. We need a bigger selection of Honeycomb apps. I don't think simply dropping the SDK and saying "Here you go guys", in a keynote is going to bring on the Android adoption. Google may want to start adding some financial incentive to some of the really talented iOS devs. Hardware alone won't sell these tablets. Great apps are what draw people from one device to the next.
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I'm very happy with mine. It does everything I need it to do. It has offloaded a great deal of work from my work laptop. I now do personal travel only with my Xoom rather than carrying the laptop and all those peripherals.
I will be happier when I can use my SD cards. I will be happier when we go to 4G. However, I am not going to dis the Xoom or Motorola for my buying a product that many of you consider defective. I did my research and knew what I was getting.
I love my Xoom, nothing is wrong with it. However, Motorola really needs to get in gear. I understand early adopting, but promises shouldn't be broken, whether 4g lte is a necissary upgrade or not, after the 90 day promise we should have been greater not only with a reason for the failure, but also an expected timeframe. We are just left to sit and wonder. Its not even like i feel like sending my xoom in for a business week, but its something they used to advertise the tablet with, which means it should have just happened when it was suppose too. I dont know if it didnt because of 4g radio shortages or because motorola decided to put the time and effort into more money making products, and thats the problem i have, i dont know why i didnt get it. And about the SD card, I think we all know that won't be fixed till icecream sandwich, so whatever.
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agree too. but for me 3.1 was a big improvement.. atleast for speed n browser... no more fc
Me tooo...of all the android tabs out there as far as build quality goes xoom is on par with apple thing is bulletproof. Also that fact that moto hasnt released 100 different verisons of its tablet says a lot about the company Xoom is there main tablet focus until the new stuff comes out. Not like the other that have a 10 7 9 5 inch tablet. I think some folks complain to complain. No device is perfect but xoom is pretty damn close. Only thing missing are a few more local case choices.
my xoom has replaced my laptop for most everything, besides the most power hungry tasks. While I'm in Canada and still don't have an official 3.1 update, lets be honest here..... who hasn't impatienty waited for official android updates in the past? Waited for close to a year for my hero to be upgraded, my liquid e was 8 months, oh and my galaxy s? That took forever too. I think all we can do is thank our lucky stars that sites like xda exist, and that such talented devs work so hard to bring us all the roms and upgrades we need before even the manufacturers can
I'm looking for a tablet and I see three xooms near me. One of them for $400 new, another $350 used and one for $300 used. Need advice.
DevilStrider said:
I'm looking for a tablet and I see three xooms near me. One of them for $400 new, another $350 used and one for $300 used. Need advice.
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Maybe if you prvide your location you will get better help? There was a special in Sydney yesterday for brand new Xoom for 298 AUD. If you are happy to wait I am sure by January next year all the tablets will come down in price.
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I was looking at the prime but i really don't want to spend $500. But I want ICS and there is no sure fire proof it will officially come to the xoom.
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I was looking at the prime but i really don't want to spend $500. But I want ICS and there is no sure fire proof it will officially come to the xoom.
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JBQ stated that it is coming to the Xoom soon. Motorola stated that it's coming to the Xoom, but no time frame given.
It's coming; we just don't know when. I estimate Late Jan - Mid February.
The latest AOSP release included files for the Xoom, just give it a week and it will be in here...
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I got dude that wanted $400 to drop it to $350 but I would rather pay $300 tops.
Keep an Eye on Woot. I picked up 2 wifi only's for $320 a pop in november.
Yeah they trying to get $400 when it's $369 on newegg
Get a Quad Core Transformer instead (I am not Hating, I have a 32GB WiFi Xoom), but GED has held this device back. Still can't Write or Delete the SD Card without a PC, while other Android Tablets have been doing this since the day they came out. Google is Super Slow in allowing us GED Xoom owners Full SD Card Access.
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Get a Quad Core Transformer instead (I am not Hating, I have a 32GB WiFi Xoom), but GED has held this device back. Still can't Write or Delete the SD Card without a PC, while other Android Tablets have been doing this since the day they came out. Google is Super Slow in allowing us GED Xoom owners Full SD Card Access.
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*sighs* You can write to your SD card if you were willing to root. I personally bought my Xoom over a transformer, or galaxy tab or what have you because its a GED device. You know why? because I do not want bloat. I dont want touchwiz, I dont want sense, I dont want motoblur or any other modified interface. I wanted pure undiluted android with the lovely added bonus of being virtually unbrickable all while being unlocked.
I did not buy a xoom to remain at stock, I bought it to overclock it, to tweak it, To make the device MY device. As im sure a lot of other xoom owners did. This will probably sound harsh but it's not my intention; If you wanted to remain at stock, which seems obvious from your previous posts in another thread complaining about the very same issue your complaining about here, Then maybe you should have done your research and checked out competing tablets before making your purchase. I find i'm pretty happy with all my purchases because I do huge amounts of research to find the product that is right for me.
The xoom is an amazing device, We have a pretty amazing community here that will help you if need be, Thou I find most everything answered already. The developers we have are great. Team Tiamat for example make a flawless rom/kernel from my experience, limited as it may be. Its still great. I currently have mine with the moray 2.2.2 rom and odachi OC kernel and its extremely smooth, wonderful batterylife.. And relatively amazing. Being a GED device means its basically a developing template. You bought a GED device, because its a GED device and you're not taking advantage of the fact its a GED device. It takes longer to read the instructions on how to root then it does to actually do it. You will be MUCH happier with your purchase if you take advantage of what its capable of. Root it, rom it, kernel it. Do your research before trying, But if you do You will have a more plesant experience. You will be much more happier with your device. I personally used this thread and I can vouch for its accuracy http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1249798 if you don't like it. Then simply return it to stock and you're done. There are more benefits to rooting a device Then their are downsides from what I've read.
In response to OP's question. I paid the current price on newegg (370$) and even at that price I am very happy with my purchase. If I could find one for 300-350$ I would buy it in a heartbeat for my parents. Now keep in mind the 370$ price tag is for a RE CERTIFIED xoom, Mine came with stock everything in the box. No problems what so ever. Soo if you were going to pay 350 for a used one, Splurge for the extra 20 to get a re certified product. Its very much worth that price in my honest opinion.
You see, I bought the WiFi Xoom the day it came out because of PROMISES & HYPE. You are partially right. I should have waited for the Transformer (at least I would have a working SD Card Write/Delete from within). I just feel I SHOULD NOT have to go thru the Trouble of Rooting to get what the device should do out of the BOX. That's why GED "WAS" supposed to be so special. To me it isn't.
I feel we were duped and I personally will NEVER get another GED device EVER again. Actually GED is holding back the US Xoom's. A very talented Dev has said as much. If you have ever been on the Moto Community Forums, Gmanapps (who created SDCARDXD) has said as much, and he is VERY Talented and Smart (not to say you are not, I just respect what he has to say on the issue at hand). To me these EXPENSIVE Devices should work out-of-the-box as my Samsung Galaxy Player 5.0 does. I got tired of keeping up with Myn's Rom then Synergy. I jut want it to work Stock. There is NOTHING wrong with that, especially after the money we 1st Day Adopters paid for it.
Just my 2 Cents from a VERY Frustrated Consumer. When you Root, things go wrong and something ALWAYS gets FUBAR'd (like No 4G or Camera Not Working). No Thanks.
Ohhh, I can understand why you're so frustrated now. I learnt to always take promises and hypes with a grain of salt. Just because people will say whatever it takes to sale their product. I just about always wait until something has all its bugs and stuff worked out before buying it. So I can very much understand your point now.
I personally will buy a GED device again, but my reasoning is because its unlocked. I very much enjoy hacking things to do more then they should, It extends the life of a product for me. Means I have to replace it less often. Which is a huge plus for me because I can be kinda cheap haha. I originally started my "mobile" carrier, so to speak, with iOS, its the openness of android that attracted me so much. I hate not having control of my devices. So rooting for me, was part of the appeal. No disrespect taken Because I can understand your frustration. The devs on here know alot more then i do haha. Maybe it has held it back, But at the same time in my eyes it's helped because of it being unlocked, it allows for an easier time developing.
Things should work out of the box I will agree with that, they really should. People shouldn't have to create apps to allow a feature thats available on just about anything that includes an SD card. Sometimes things don't thou, and I guess it would be googles fault for it not doing so since updates do come through them. I guess its because the tablet is kinda like the nexus program, Devices with the pure unfiltered android experience. I guess even the flaws of that "unfiltered" experience come through as well. Personally though, I would much rather adapt and find a solution then be unhappy.
If you ever do decide to give rooting/roming (is that what you call it?) a go. Def use the guide i linked earlier for as long as its still valid. The only thing that would suck is backing up your data before the wipe that happens when you unlock.
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Just my 2 Cents from a VERY Frustrated Consumer. When you Root, things go wrong and something ALWAYS gets FUBAR'd (like No 4G or Camera Not Working). No Thanks.
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If you follow directions properly, most issues are avoided. And afaik, issues like no 4g or broken camera occur when you apply an unstable rom. Rooting simply gives you full control, that's all.
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Ohhh, I can understand why you're so frustrated now. I learnt to always take promises and hypes with a grain of salt. Just because people will say whatever it takes to sale their product. I just about always wait until something has all its bugs and stuff worked out before buying it. So I can very much understand your point now.
I personally will buy a GED device again, but my reasoning is because its unlocked. I very much enjoy hacking things to do more then they should, It extends the life of a product for me. Means I have to replace it less often. Which is a huge plus for me because I can be kinda cheap haha. I originally started my "mobile" carrier, so to speak, with iOS, its the openness of android that attracted me so much. I hate not having control of my devices. So rooting for me, was part of the appeal. No disrespect taken Because I can understand your frustration. The devs on here know alot more then i do haha. Maybe it has held it back, But at the same time in my eyes it's helped because of it being unlocked, it allows for an easier time developing.
Things should work out of the box I will agree with that, they really should. People shouldn't have to create apps to allow a feature thats available on just about anything that includes an SD card. Sometimes things don't thou, and I guess it would be googles fault for it not doing so since updates do come through them. I guess its because the tablet is kinda like the nexus program, Devices with the pure unfiltered android experience. I guess even the flaws of that "unfiltered" experience come through as well. Personally though, I would much rather adapt and find a solution then be unhappy.
If you ever do decide to give rooting/roming (is that what you call it?) a go. Def use the guide i linked earlier for as long as its still valid. The only thing that would suck is backing up your data before the wipe that happens when you unlock.
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You are a cool dude, Thanks for the help. I have Rooted before. My OG EVO had Myn's Warm 2.2 , then Synergy. So I am NOT a Noob to Rooting. I just don't feel like following the ROM to Death like before. It gets old. I guess I will just have to wait until Google gets off it's LAZY ASS and gives us ICS. HC works fine and as for me, the Playbook and Galaxy Player are all I need for now. I have no more need for tablets and what I have will suffice for a long time.
I personally thing if u find a xoom has better spec. then another 10' tablet. it has 4g, duel core, and used ranged from 300 dollar. Samsung makes good tablet but right now still not really match xoom in price range. Samung tablet plus price is like more then xoom. xoom is close or less then this tablet. Only think i would consider is the old samsung tab 7 inch. becasue:
Samsung tab 7" ( old )
1 core, 2gb + sd slot. 3g around 200-250 ( i got one on ebay 198)
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2 core 32 GB +sd slot 4G around 300-340 ( i got one on ebay. 310)
for 50-60 dollars more u get 4g and bigger screen and 1 core. Hope you understand.
its got the longest battery life among current tablets and its the only one that does dualband. I have no interest in buying a non GED device. I want to decide on my overlay and I want the first updates. Google's updates are far more featurefilled than anything Asus will offer you in their overlay, so picking a non GED product makes no sense for me. Ill get a new one either after nvidias next Gen processor comes out in a year or if Samsung makes something with that awesome flexible display concept design they made (YouTube the commercial, coolest thing I've ever seen). The tegra 2 is not yet outdated. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, though
i paid 240 for my xoom :]
got it used on craigslist
Just picked one up as well. 32gig Wifi for $300. Buyer also included dock and case. Cant complain about that. Now.. on to root
I wouldnt personally buy a xoom when the transformer prime is around the corner...
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I wouldnt personally buy a xoom when the transformer prime is around the corner...
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I bought a 4G LTE XOOM, knowing the Prime was around the corner... Mostly because I needed a tablet with its own dedicated data connection... Verizon has the best network and didn't want the Galaxy Tab or Xyboard. TP isn't coming out with mobile radios, so had to rule it out.