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[Q] Desire Z or Moto Milestone 2????

Hi all,
my first post here.
am really confused b/w Desire Z and Milestone 2. I neeeeeed a keyboard. tired of X10's onscreen keyboard rite now.
am not worried about the CPU clock speeds of OMAP and MSMs though.And not really worried about the Blur or sense stuff.
Any statistics on the GPU performance? saw the FPS on Desire Z's MSM7230 reached around 55. how much is Moto scoring in that area?
Has anyone here got a chance to play with both of these?
regards
Aj700

Another thing you should think about. Is that the milestone's bootloader is heavely locked. So all the costum roms, will only be with the kernels released officialy by motorola. So you will newer be able to upgrade proberly with custom roms, after they abandon the phone
You can see that in the Milestone forums. We are still waiting on the 2.2 upgrade. And they where actually considering not to release the 2.2 upgrade. Even though there are bugs in the pressent 2.1 firmware. (Very poor 2d framerate for instance)

ClausG76 said:
Another thing you should think about. Is that the milestone's bootloader is heavely locked. So all the costum roms, will only be with the kernels released officialy by motorola. So you will newer be able to upgrade proberly with custom roms, after they abandon the phone
You can see that in the Milestone forums. We are still waiting on the 2.2 upgrade. And they where actually considering not to release the 2.2 upgrade. Even though there are bugs in the pressent 2.1 firmware. (Very poor 2d framerate for instance)
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That's a completely fair point. I have the original Milestone, and actually wouldn't mind sticking with it if it weren't for their bootloader. Nothing wrong with the hardware itself, and the TI core is awesome. Still wont ever buy another device from Motorola unless they change their policies. Sure, HTC also has some restrictions, and you hear people complain about slow updates once in a blue mood, but they are easily the right choice, as the lesser of two evils.

ClausG76 said:
So all the costum roms, will only be with the kernels released officialy by motorola. So you will newer be able to upgrade proberly with custom roms, after they abandon the phone
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Hi, does that also mean HTC Sense cannot be loaded onto a Milestone 2, or just that Motorola 'Motoblur' improvements won't be possible unless direct from Motorola?
(Excuse my ignorance, I've read through pages on the Milestone 1 forum, but don't understand much of it since I've been Windows Mobile up to now.)

icewall said:
That's a completely fair point. I have the original Milestone, and actually wouldn't mind sticking with it if it weren't for their bootloader. Nothing wrong with the hardware itself, and the TI core is awesome. Still wont ever buy another device from Motorola unless they change their policies. Sure, HTC also has some restrictions, and you hear people complain about slow updates once in a blue mood, but they are easily the right choice, as the lesser of two evils.
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I was under the impression that the rooting exploits which worked on Droid variants will work on Milestones too. So its not as u guys suggest. And above all, I am not sure I will get a OTA update from Moto here, as I have never seen a moto phone at stores here. Moto doesnt looks interested in markets here????
AFAIK diff b/w msm8255 (inside HD) and msm7230( in Z) is only the cpu frequency. If it crosses 1GHz then it goes into 8series.
but for the reduced CPU clock we get a phy keyboard with Z. And the reduced 256MB ram and display sizes should help with little less power consumption. may be thats why they included a lesser 1300mAh battery.
well then HTC desire Z is the chosen one form me, if am gonna buy a new one!

Despite this forum is young, this has been discussed previously
The Droid2/Milestone2 is a natural contender for the Desire Z
More news: The "DROID2 PRO" or "DROID2 WORLD EDITION" (Moto A956) will be 1.2GHz - more info and some benchmarks here:
http://www.droid-life.com/2010/09/2...marks-and-system-info-hello-1-2ghz-processor/
The Mileston2/Droid2 beats the Desire Z in every aspect (faster processor, 8 GB RAM, dual LED flash, slightly smaller and lighter... etc) BUT it is motorola, not HTC
HTC has more community support and developers/hackers devoted
Root, bootloader, whatever you name it, HTC will have it first
BUT as I stated in another thread, the Desire Z's 800MHz processor has me wondering if those supposedly "gingerbread (android 3.0) minnimum hardware specs" will be a major issue for a future upgrade to android 3.0
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gtrab said:
Despite this forum is young, this has been discussed previously
The Droid2/Milestone2 is a natural contender for the Desire Z
More news: The "DROID2 PRO" or "DROID2 WORLD EDITION" (Moto A956) will be 1.2GHz - more info and some benchmarks here:
droid-life.com/2010/09/22/droid-2-global-benchmarks-and-system-info-hello-1-2ghz-processor/
The Mileston2/Droid2 beats the Desire Z in every aspect (faster processor, 8 GB RAM, dual LED flash, slightly smaller and lighter... etc) BUT it is motorola, not HTC
HTC has more community support and developers/hackers devoted
Root, bootloader, whatever you name it, HTC will have it first
BUT as I stated in another thread, the Desire Z's 800MHz processor has me wondering if those supposedly "gingerbread (android 3.0) minnimum hardware specs" will be a major issue for a future upgrade to android 3.0
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on Gingerbread side I am confident that it will definitely come to Desire Z. even if not official OTA update comes out, its the same CPU core(ARMv7) on HD and on the same chipset family (MSMs) so that should be more than enough for this wonderful community to port it across.
Thanks for pointing to the benchmark results. I ran a quick search for the same benchmark on MSM series and saw this smartphonebenchmarks.com/forum/index.php?/topic/83-msm8255-adreno-205-in-htc-desire-hd-gets-quadrant-benchmark-tested/
this is huge improvement.
you can see more benchmarks here. smartphonebenchmarks.com/
So with the kind of community tweak and fixes Samsung Hummingbird is getting, if it comes to the new gen MSMs we are looking at here, we may see more performance. feel free to say if I am wrong.
regards
Aj700

I used HTC device for over 8years, voice quality never improved, that why I jump to motorola, I need a phone more then a PDA.

It's been said before and I'll say it again. Despite the Droid/Milestone 2 looking like the tastier hardware, their software development and support leaves a lot to be desired.
Most Milestone owners will tell you they won't buy Moto again, despite their awesome hardware, because Moto do not give a sh*t about supporting their phones or bug fixing. Add in the fact the bootloaders are locked down, meaning noone else can fix their mistakes, and it starts to look like their is only one choice - the Desire Z.
I really, really want the Droid 2 World Edition that's coming out - that chrome and white just looks the business in my opinion. But I know I'll be sorry if I buy it.
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/22/dro...d-with-its-own-silver-and-white-color-scheme/

colala said:
I used HTC device for over 8years, voice quality never improved, that why I jump to motorola, I need a phone more then a PDA.
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You must not have upgraded phones in 8 years then, I can tell a huge difference between my Kaiser to my Leo.
Even then, I've yet to use a Motorola phone that doesn't have horrid battery life

aj700 said:
I was under the impression that the rooting exploits which worked on Droid variants will work on Milestones too. So its not as u guys suggest. And above all, I am not sure I will get a OTA update from Moto here, as I have never seen a moto phone at stores here. Moto doesnt looks interested in markets here????
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Rooting has nothing to do with custom ROMs and upgradeability. Rooting gives you root, and that's all. Nothing else. You can run apps requiring a superuser (screenshot apps, MarketEnabler,...) and that's it.
Second step in case of Motorola phones with locked bootloader is using a custom userland. That is - you can change anything in phone but the kernel. So you can put a 2.2 UI on top of a 2.1 kernel - but you won't have the JIT and many other cool stuff. And when Google releases 3.0, you won't have that either if some functionality will depend on new kernel. This is the main problem - you can make a semi-cyanogenmod, where you place all UI improvements into a update package, but that's all, it's not 2.2. It's 2.2 UI running on Android 2.1 on Motorola 2.1 kernel.
The last step are full custom ROMs, uncluding custom/new kernels, not made and/or signed by Motorola. This is impossible to do on Motorola phones, which means when Motorola stops providing updates for your phone you won't get any updates from anyone. No community updates, no Motorola updates.
This plus the support speed of Motorola (2.1 released in April, reboot bug fixed in September) makes Motorola a very, very, very, very bad choice. Also ask all DEXT owners what do they think about Motorola support for their phones (aka no Android 2.1 for DEXT).
Simply, Motorola is the evil company in the Android world, and no one should buy their phones. They made their point in non-US markets with DEXT and Milestone and get a lot of bad publicity thanks to this. US market is learning this now with Droid 2 and Droid X, they already got their first batch of bugs specific to Motorola phones which are going to be fixed slooowly (the SMS bug).
So, if you really want the better phone, get the Desire Z. It's not the hardware, but the support which really matters. What is all the better specs of Milestone 2 worth if it is plagued with bugs all over the place.

faugusztin said:
Rooting has nothing to do with custom ROMs and upgradeability. Rooting gives you root, and that's all. Nothing else. You can run apps requiring a superuser (screenshot apps, MarketEnabler,...) and that's it.
Second step in case of Motorola phones with locked bootloader is using a custom userland. That is - you can change anything in phone but the kernel. So you can put a 2.2 UI on top of a 2.1 kernel - but you won't have the JIT and many other cool stuff. And when Google releases 3.0, you won't have that either if some functionality will depend on new kernel. This is the main problem - you can make a semi-cyanogenmod, where you place all UI improvements into a update package, but that's all, it's not 2.2. It's 2.2 UI running on Android 2.1 on Motorola 2.1 kernel.
The last step are full custom ROMs, uncluding custom/new kernels, not made and/or signed by Motorola. This is impossible to do on Motorola phones, which means when Motorola stops providing updates for your phone you won't get any updates from anyone. No community updates, no Motorola updates.
This plus the support speed of Motorola (2.1 released in April, reboot bug fixed in September) makes Motorola a very, very, very, very bad choice. Also ask all DEXT owners what do they think about Motorola support for their phones (aka no Android 2.1 for DEXT).
Simply, Motorola is the evil company in the Android world, and no one should buy their phones. They made their point in non-US markets with DEXT and Milestone and get a lot of bad publicity thanks to this. US market is learning this now with Droid 2 and Droid X, they already got their first batch of bugs specific to Motorola phones which are going to be fixed slooowly (the SMS bug).
So, if you really want the better phone, get the Desire Z. It's not the hardware, but the support which really matters. What is all the better specs of Milestone 2 worth if it is plagued with bugs all over the place.
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so even with the new SuperOneClick root method, it's still not possible to get custom ROMs on the Droid 2/World Edition? Is this correct?

Given the talk about lockdowns for the T-Mobile G2, is there any reason to suspect the HTC DeeZire Z wont also have lockdowns preventing custom ROMs?

jfwfreo said:
Given the talk about lockdowns for the T-Mobile G2, is there any reason to suspect the HTC DeeZire Z wont also have lockdowns preventing custom ROMs?
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it's hard to tell at this stage..but the device is not T-Mo, so there's hope!

skulk3r said:
so even with the new SuperOneClick root method, it's still not possible to get custom ROMs on the Droid 2/World Edition? Is this correct?
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Correct. Root gives you only what it says - a root user, a ability to run the su command, ability to use applications requiring superuser privileges.
With all Motorola phones after Motorola Droid 1, you need a ROM with a kernel signed by Motorola private key. That means, you can right now change everything, except the kernel. In case of Milestone 1, you can put 2.2 UI on top of 2.1 kernel. When they will release 2.2 for Milestone 1, you will be probably able to put 3.0 UI on top of 2.2 kernel - but all the improvements at kernel level won't be available to you. For example in case of MotoFrenzy it means "Video Recorder + camera focus/audio" not working. And you will have problems like this every time you use a older kernel with newer UI.
Until someone comes up with a solution (get the key from Motorola, any of the solutions guys at http://and-developers.com/ are trying), any Motorola phone released after Droid 1 is a bad choice, as you are getting only updates from Motorola, and they don't have a good record in this area. Once you are left behind, you are left behind forever, no community support.
Of course HTC G2/Desire Z has it's own set of problems with this unwritable memory causing only a temporary root working, but this case is more likely to be breaked, as it's not key signing, just a hardware lockout, which will be IMHO solved with the first official update if not sooner (because at first update they will have to unlock the memory which is now locked).

faugusztin said:
Simply, Motorola is the evil company in the Android world, and no one should buy their phones...
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you haven't tryed Sony Ericsson
at least there are "ROMs" for the motos,
but SE = no SPL, no bootloader, no ROMs for any of their android phones,
not even the xperia x2 got hard SPL
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is it really a big deal worrying about when a company will stop supporting the phone?? ive been considering a milestone 2 or desire z myself so im interested in a comparision between the two. what difference does it make if motorola stop updates after a year...how often does the average user on here change phones? once a year...maybe 18months..2 years maximum. by then theres another super duper king dong phone out twice as fast lol. so its kind of pointless not buying a phone because motorola/htc/sony etc will stop providing upgrades in a year or two time. we wont have the phone by then! itll be someone elses problem lol. and if u do still have the phone, if they havent solved the major bugs within a year then theres no real hope and u might aswell ditch it and move on anyway.
its more relevant to make the comparison using information available today. most people just want a phone that works out the box, will run a few apps, make calls and wont crash every 10mins which is the better based on the performance, usuability and stablility right now? is the milestone 2 a buggy unusable mess that desperately needs custom roms and fixes? or can the average user quite happily make good use of it in everyday situations without worrying about roms, fixes and patches?

I made a comparison (desire z vs milestone 2)
The milestone 2 beats the D-Z on every aspect, except not being HTC...
Which one will I get ?? Easy:
The first one available with NAM bands
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looked at afew milestone 2 videos and it actually looks laggy on the touchscreen changing from screens.

anothadave said:
is it really a big deal worrying about when a company will stop supporting the phone?? ive been considering a milestone 2 or desire z myself so im interested in a comparision between the two. what difference does it make if motorola stop updates after a year...how often does the average user on here change phones? once a year...maybe 18months..2 years maximum. by then theres another super duper king dong phone out twice as fast lol. so its kind of pointless not buying a phone because motorola/htc/sony etc will stop providing upgrades in a year or two time. we wont have the phone by then! itll be someone elses problem lol. and if u do still have the phone, if they havent solved the major bugs within a year then theres no real hope and u might aswell ditch it and move on anyway.
its more relevant to make the comparison using information available today. most people just want a phone that works out the box, will run a few apps, make calls and wont crash every 10mins which is the better based on the performance, usuability and stablility right now? is the milestone 2 a buggy unusable mess that desperately needs custom roms and fixes? or can the average user quite happily make good use of it in everyday situations without worrying about roms, fixes and patches?
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that's pretty much the philosophy that most phone companies are selling their phones on today - and it's not incorrect! In fact, for most users, having the phone "just work" (even with some minor performance issues) is okay..in fact, the phone can still be great! (just look at the iPhone)
but xda-devs is a forum where a lot of the "hard-core" phone or "enthusiasts" go to try and squeeze everything out of their devices -which is why rooting and custom ROMs are in demand. My Touch HD would have been binned about 6 months ago were it not for the custom ROMs and mods that came out and made it a completely new and interesting device every 2 weeks. So that's why being able to flash a custom ROM on my future device is important - and that's why Desire Z is winning me over the Milestone 2..plus, 800MHz will /probably/ be overclocked to 1GHz+ and the performance benchmarks so far have been amazing

[Q] Will a Gingerbread ROM be possible on Legend?

I'm just curious seeing the Gingerbread OS requires very high-spec devices, and that the Legend is only a mid-range phone.

I don't think Google have even stated what the min spec's are for it, afaik it's mostly assumed a 1ghz cpu, 512mb ram etc are required.

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nah, i think google will optimize the speed of the android os etc.
it wouldnt be smart to point out low and mid range devices.
the real question is, will htc port gingerbread for the legend?

why ? there's no point to update an old phone.. it's htc. it took them a long time to port froyo..

Maby someone will cook it for us... but yes just we have to wait froyo update for legend
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HTC will never release Gingerbread for mid range phones.

SAME topic in development section where Ali Ba states that he has a good chance in cooking one along with the CM developers.

raf2k said:
HTC will never release Gingerbread for mid range phones.
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Sure they won't... they are not dumb to have support for devices that are more than 2 years old. Why would they... they release at least 10 devices per year. Their priority is to support most profitable devices at any moment.
What they could and should do is to release specs for hardware in such old devices so community would be able to "support" those if there is a will.

2.3 1 ghz Requirement

http://bit.ly/eeScIk
According to AndroidSpin, 2.3 has a required 1 GHZ processor needed. So does that mean the G2 won't be getting an official 2.3 update from HTC???
What do you think? Will HTC overclock the processor to run 2.3? Or will the G2 and Desire Z just not get 2.3?

This has been posted here numerous times and this is false g2 will be getting the 2.3 update..

Your phone's os was made by google. Not using it to search for this question is a sin.
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Its a rumor that has been going around for a long time that has been disproved. The G2 will get the 2.3 update officially its just a question of when not if.

Okawa said:
Its a rumor that has been going around for a long time that has been disproved. The G2 will get the 2.3 update officially its just a question of when not if.
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O really? HTC disproved it? Does any one have a link to the official statement by HTC that says G2 and Desire Z will be getting 2.3. Because that article is brand new sayign 2.3 requires 1 GHZ

follow the sources to the original article on techradar. read the last two lines.

As I recall everyone said the same about 2.1 and 2.2 and we see how that played out! Just cool it, even if it isn't official for the G2 you can count on a dev making a build for it!
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I read that article like this
"we at LG do not wish to support our hardware, so we will come up with some bull crap excuse why we won't be putting out an update, in hopes that you will go out and buy a new phone"
2.3 isn't a huge change, and it is running on the Eris right now, not really the worlds most powerful phone...

http://phandroid.com/2010/12/07/doe...es/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
I don't have to search. LG just confirmed that Gingerbread will require 1 GHZ processor. So once again, I don't think the G2 will be getting official 2.3

Whosdaman said:
http://phandroid.com/2010/12/07/doe...es/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
I don't have to search. LG just confirmed that Gingerbread will require 1 GHZ processor. So once again, I don't think the G2 will be getting official 2.3
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the droid eris (htc hero...) just got a ported 2.3 done... and that phone was the 2nd or 3rd android phone on the market.... im sure the G2 will be fine and dandy. The G2 blows the N1 out of the water (i have both) and if the N1 can get it, why wouldnt the G2?

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the droid eris (htc hero...) just got a ported 2.3 done... and that phone was the 2nd or 3rd android phone on the market.... im sure the G2 will be fine and dandy. The G2 blows the N1 out of the water (i have both) and if the N1 can get it, why wouldnt the G2?
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Official update, not custom ROMs.
Another article that even links to TechRadar: http://www.talkandroid.com/23041-so...cpu-requirement/comment-page-1/#comment-85181

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http://phandroid.com/2010/12/07/doe...es/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
I don't have to search. LG just confirmed that Gingerbread will require 1 GHZ processor. So once again, I don't think the G2 will be getting official 2.3
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Do you believe everything you read on the internet?
How about when Samsung said the SGS phones would be getting 2.2 before December?
Or how about when Apple said the iPhone didn't have an antenna problem and people were making it up?
Did you believe it when a random tech blog reported that the G2 would be released in early September?
Eh?
How about when Google themselves confirmed that the 1GHz requirement is not true? Do you believe that?

Ok but, and stick with me.... this phone has a 800mhz processor but it scores higher than any of the 1mhz phones out there, and is because is of a new generation, so it outperforms them, consequently... this phone is gonna get gingerbread because at the end the g2 processor might have less mhz but it outperforms a higher mhz processor.
if you know about computers, is like having a amd phenom quad core at 3.5 and a intel i7 quadcore also rated at 2.7... the intel will outperform the amd.... does anyone gets what I'm trying to say?
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xencor said:
Do you believe everything you read on the internet?
How about when Samsung said the SGS phones would be getting 2.2 before December?
Or how about when Apple said the iPhone didn't have an antenna problem and people were making it up?
Did you believe it when a random tech blog reported that the G2 would be released in early September?
Eh?
How about when Google themselves confirmed that the 1GHz requirement is not true? Do you believe that?
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Do you not believe anything on the internet?
The above statement is very ignorant and assumes everyone on the internet lies and that means Google themselves cannot be trusted to tell the truth about their own product.
And I'm just putting it out there that LG says it's phone that are below 1 GHZ won't be receiving 2.3 because it doesnt meet the requirements. So HTC is just going to break the requirement while leaving the g2 as 800 mhz?

Whosdaman said:
http://phandroid.com/2010/12/07/doe...es/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
I don't have to search. LG just confirmed that Gingerbread will require 1 GHZ processor. So once again, I don't think the G2 will be getting official 2.3
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First this is just LG NOT GOOGLE, second the people that answer questions on Facebook are just PR people not actual techs. Tell you come with harder proof then a single PR person from a random phone manufacturer that only really deals in low end phones this is still just part of the rumor that was fronted on some Russian forum.
Just search the forums you will see people claiming that its been required forever but have all came back around to the orginal source and its not even from google.

Okawa said:
First this is just LG NOT GOOGLE, second the people that answer questions on Facebook are just PR people not actual techs. Tell you come with harder proof then a single PR person from a random phone manufacturer that only really deals in low end phones this is still just part of the rumor that was fronted on some Russian forum.
Just search the forums you will see people claiming that its been required forever but have all came back around to the orginal source and its not even from google.
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Whoops, I forgot that LG is some random phone manufacture now.
I guess HTC and Samsung are just random too?

If anything I would guess its less about processer power and more about GPU power...

Whosdaman said:
Do you not believe anything on the internet?
The above statement is very ignorant and assumes everyone on the internet lies and that means Google themselves cannot be trusted to tell the truth about their own product.
And I'm just putting it out there that LG says it's phone that are below 1 GHZ won't be receiving 2.3 because it doesnt meet the requirements. So HTC is just going to break the requirement while leaving the g2 as 800 mhz?
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what do you not understand that there is no requirement?
Stop being lazy and go do some google searches. Just because some LG marketing intern says something stupid via facebook doesn't mean it's uniform policy for all manufacturers.
This is a rumor that has been debunked many times. Stop bringing it back up and go do your research.

Whosdaman said:
Whoops, I forgot that LG is some random phone manufacture now.
I guess HTC and Samsung are just random too?
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Correct, tell Google says its a requirement its not a requirement!
If HTC, LG, Samsung, or Motorola dont want to put it on any device below 1ghz thats on them but its not a requirement from Google just a requirement from the phone manufacture.
I hope you understand the difference.

xencor said:
what do you not understand that there is no requirement?
Stop being lazy and go do some google searches. Just because some LG marketing intern says something stupid via facebook doesn't mean it's uniform policy for all manufacturers.
This is a rumor that has been debunked many times. Stop bringing it back up and go do your research.
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Do my research? The writers do the research for me. Those 3 articles are brand new. Not 3 months old. And so far you guys have no proof of your claims.
Do you guys have any evidence?

First dual-core coming early 2011: official

I know this is not about the Nexus S, but there's no denying that anything dual-core related is inexorably related to the Nexus S and its lack of one. So:
LG announces dual-core phone for early 2011: http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/15/lg-optimus-2x-first-dual-core-smartphone-launches-with-android/
No coincidence that it's being announced right before Nexus S officially launches.
Anyone going to change their minds?

I've known the LG Star/Optimus 2X was coming soon since AndroidCentral first mentioned it awhile back. I plan to get my Nexus S anyway.

still getting the Nexus S

still getting a nexus but any word on the carrier?

No, it's not related to the Nexus S in any way. Why? Because it's not backed up by Google. Plain and simple.

It's going to Korea and then the rest of Asia and Europe after. No mention of any other releases. Sticking with the Nexus S.

The phone is also quite ugly.

Nexus S. I'll probably have it for a year, at the least.

Why would I hold off on the NS in hopes of the Star being compatible w/ Tmobile 4G?

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I misread, Android supports dual core, but the application has to be re-written to take advantage of it.

Have Android 2.3 dual core support?

no support
Hi Guys
As per my understanding, android 2.3 does not support dual core CPU, so why would LG release a dual core CPU hardware on android !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

According to AndroidEncyclopedia.com:
This new series of multi core processors destined for the smartphone market will be sampling in the first quarter of 2011 and will enter mass production sometime in the second half of the same year. This comes really as a bit of a disappointment really as the Tegra 2 processor is already out and is kind of setting new standards on every test which has the ability to optimally use the multi-core technology. The biggest inconvenience the processors really faces is the lack of proper Android support when it comes to recognizing the multi-core architecture and thus using it to its full potential.
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This has been posted many times (how Android does not support multi-core yet). Not really news!

mephysto666 said:
Have Android 2.3 dual core support?
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They say it will launch with foryo and updated with 2.3......

DJTaurus said:
They say it will launch with foryo and updated with 2.3......
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I heard that about Honeycomb, not Gingerbread.

I love tech (especially the rapid growing mobile space) but i'd rather not have the very first dual core phone on the market. i'd rather wait and see how the OS (honeycomb and up), app devs, etc utilize it AND i'd wait to hear back about battery life.

LG and Android may really become a big player in 2011: http://phandroid.com/2010/12/16/exclusive-lg-b-android-phone-super-slim-super-bright/
Nexus L 2011, anyone?

Wow that phone looks insane. Having said that, it would be better if it was an official Google device. If it isn't I'll be sticking to the Nexus S for the foreseeable future until the next one releases.
Dual cores sound nice and all but single cores are beginning to be perfected and can really run android without any hitches, upgrading to a dual core just to have one wouldn't really give us a huge boost in performance yet.

Finally I can play Crysis on my Phone with Ultra settings. Really? Its cool and all but how fast do they want your apps to open up and your angrybirds to load up on a freaking phone, In my opinion its over kill never the less cool I guest.

Adreno 205

Is this legit? are these libs already being used by the devs here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1386197

Yes. Qualcomm announced them a few days back. Some of the ROM devs have already included them.
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Yup, some ROMs like IceColdSandwich use it already

Is the performance boost really that great? Would be awesome.

Dr. lele said:
Is the performance boost really that great? Would be awesome.
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try reading that thread...people said that adreno 205 outperformed sgx 540 in some benchmarks...and one things clear that when you play gta 3 on IceColdSandwich and then play on any other sense rom, you see the performance....there's no lag in ICS whatsoever...

But IceColdSandwich is an AOSP Rom. Cm 7 with gingerbread runs GTA smoothly, too on a DHD.
So the question is: is the Desire HD really that much faster with the new drivers and Sense.

DHD users will we get it oficial with htc ICS update?

Yes in a couple of months
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Dr. lele said:
But IceColdSandwich is an AOSP Rom. Cm 7 with gingerbread runs GTA smoothly, too on a DHD.
So the question is: is the Desire HD really that much faster with the new drivers and Sense.
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No but trust me, that gingerbread rom doesn't run gta 3 as fast as the current LC's ICS run...try checking it yourself, there's definitely a boost..
Well, if it does beat sgx 540, then i think adreno 205 becomes 4th or 5th fastest GPU around after Tegra 3, tegra 2, mali 400, adreno 220...i mean, sgx 545 is being used in iphone 4s i think, so if adreno 205 beats sgx 540 then it competes with sgx 545, in other words Iphone 4s...
I think, OCed to 1.5ghz and adreno 205 with new libs can perform nearly the same as iphone 4s if what i've said above is correct then i think most of the upcoming dual core games can be run on DHD...
but nothing can be said until a proper benchmark is done with new and old libs...
green0153 said:
Yes in a couple of months
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lol actually sooner than that. Someone mentioned that specific carries will get it by the end of april but officially it would come out sooner and once the leaked is out, it's a matter of hours before devs adapt the rom...
Something can be expected within two weeks...

Optimistic, but I hope you're right!
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lol actually sooner than that. Someone mentioned that specific carries will get it by the end of april but officially it would come out sooner and once the leaked is out, it's a matter of hours before devs adapt the rom...
Something can be expected within two weeks...[/QUOTE]
On gsmarena.com it's wrote "upgradable to v 4.x.x"...It is already official?
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire_hd-3468.php
I hope is no problem cause i post an external link here
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Today i've made a downgrade to stock 2.2.1 just to check that information ( if it is an OTA available )....it's not . All what i can find it is 2.3.4 with sense 3.0...that's all

bogddy87 said:
lol actually sooner than that. Someone mentioned that specific carries will get it by the end of april but officially it would come out sooner and once the leaked is out, it's a matter of hours before devs adapt the rom...
Something can be expected within two weeks...
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On gsmarena.com it's wrote "upgradable to v 4.x.x"...It is already official?
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire_hd-3468.php
I hope is no problem cause i post an external link here
P.S
Today i've made a downgrade to stock 2.2.1 just to check that information ( if it is an OTA available )....it's not . All what i can find it is 2.3.4 with sense 3.0...that's all[/QUOTE]
gsmarena starts saying that when the update s announced and not necessarily released.
To be honest, i will not stick with the official update but the custom one since they're optimized for better performance and most of the junk is removed...
plus, sense 3.6 might put you out because of the similarities to 3.5 which gives me another reason to get ported sense 4.0 rom rather than the official 3.6

shad0wboss said:
On gsmarena.com it's wrote "upgradable to v 4.x.x"...It is already official?
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire_hd-3468.php
I hope is no problem cause i post an external link here
P.S
Today i've made a downgrade to stock 2.2.1 just to check that information ( if it is an OTA available )....it's not . All what i can find it is 2.3.4 with sense 3.0...that's all
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you are currently looking at a GSMarena page saying an HTC 1 year 8 months old device, is upgradable to ICS
excellent work by HTC, seriously

More than 20 months worth of update support.
Yes, we will only get Sense 3.6, but that's not what's important. The important bit is the kernel.
I figure HTC could very easily just release a kernel for phones that they want to support but don't want to build a full ROM for, and let homebrew devs do the rest.