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Okay, before everyone starts flaming...I know that there are probably hundreds of thread in the Dream General section suggesting a support section or a "Support thread" but they have been incredibly unsuccessful and members are constantly reporting and starting new threads on their problems in Dream Android Development and in General. Isn't the whole point of GENERAL suppose to be GENERAL? And not a support area?
This is why I'm proposing that we create an entire new area for people to get help and for people to post their problems and give solutions. If you take a look at the amount of locked threads in development and the amount of threads in Dream General pertaining to the numerous amount of problems that people are having, you will understand. I understand that there is in fact a brick thread inside Dream Development, but people don't care. They just post it in random places and mods have to constantly remind people to post in the right place and to SEARCH! With this proposal, I believe that if a support section is created, people will be more likely to search in THERE because it's a special place set aside for just that, SUPPORT.
Mods please take this into consideration and don't lock this thread. How many of you think that we should have a support section and not clutter Dream General and Dream Development with hundreds of two post threads talking about bricks and eventually them getting locked or moved to the trash within seconds.
Thanks for reading this. Comment in the posts below
Thanks to Milestone for a list of good reasons why we should have a support section! thanks milestone!
milestone.it said:
i feel that a support section would be useful for many simple reasons
1) it would aid in the moderation task - most people can read the word "support" and realize to post in there. if they can't then don't get a g1!
2) it would allow for a few people who are interested in helping out other newbie users to correct their problems without everyone having to read them if they don't want to.
3) there can be a place to move wrongly posted requests to.
4) everyone knows where to post them to in the first place!
that was my £0.02p
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Everyone here with a few exceptions i'm sure are using a rooted phone. If you noticed, each thread that contains a ROM will also provide support for that ROM. Most of the problems are specific to each rom. So there would need to be a support thread for each ROM released in a seperate forum section, which already exists in the developer section. Also, each rom released is pretty much a beta and will always remain a beta because there is no standards to which these roms are created and no "end point" to the development, its always on going. And unique bugs and problems will always occure with each Rom. So it is a continual part of development to post, read about and repair those bugs and problems to make each Rom better. I don't think a support section needs to be created. I just think people need to be less lazy and use the search tools. Even bricked phones are being bricked by a specific rom...or SPL or what have u and again should fall under development since most bricked phones was because of a bad SPL or bug in a ROM . And if it is not specific to anything that has been created or released here...Tmobile DOES have their own support forums =)
Good point, but we're not T-Mobile and T-Mobile doesn't JUST carry the G1 now do they?
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Good point, but we're not T-Mobile and T-Mobile doesn't JUST carry the G1 now do they?
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You've a good point as well =). ...Yah, T-mobile mentioned something about them carrying the ION soon....so I guess "T-Mobile" can be replaced with "Your phone's manufacturer and/or carrier" hehehe
Did XDA not create forums for the Magic and the Ion and the Sapphire? Most of this development is geared towards the G1 for the most part...which pretty much is T-Mobile....Now if they just made a Forum for "ANDROID DEVELOPMENT" that encomposses all the android phones...that may work out better. But the support would still end up in the specific rom forums... I dunno...to many roms and too many phones and too many carriers lol getting had to keep up
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Good point, but we're not T-Mobile and T-Mobile doesn't JUST carry the G1 now do they?
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No, and T-Mobile won't be able to support the myriad of problems that come with rooted phones and custom ROMs anyway.
The sad fact (and why this idea has never really taken off) is that no matter what you do; stickies/wikis/locked threads/temp bans etc... there is always going to be a host of fng's that don't know any better and will continue to post out of context and out of laziness.
Hell, there's a couple people that straight up know better and will still post in the wrong section because "nobody's gonna be able to help me in the Dream forum, so I'm posting here anyway."
It would seem you can't change human nature, so you're forced to moderate. Or so I've decided.
i feel that a support section would be useful for many simple reasons
1) it would aid in the moderation task - most people can read the word "support" and realise to post in there. if they can't then don't get a g1!
2) it would allow for a few people who are interested in helping out other newbie users to correct their problems without everyone having to read them if they don't want to.
3) there can be a place to move wrongly posted requests to.
4) everyone knows where to post them to in the first place!
that was my £0.02p
tep065 said:
You've a good point as well =). ...Yah, T-mobile mentioned something about them carrying the ION soon....so I guess "T-Mobile" can be replaced with "Your phone's manufacturer and/or carrier" hehehe
Did XDA not create forums for the Magic and the Ion and the Sapphire? Most of this development is geared towards the G1 for the most part...which pretty much is T-Mobile....Now if they just made a Forum for "ANDROID DEVELOPMENT" that encomposses all the android phones...that may work out better. But the support would still end up in the specific rom forums... I dunno...to many roms and too many phones and too many carriers lol getting had to keep up
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Yeah there's a forum for the Magic/Sapphire but the ION has not really been officially launched, but when it does I'm sure XDA will create another forum for it. I still think a support section would be a good idea. Most other forums have something like that, however this one does not. Just my opinion
milestone.it said:
i feel that a support section would be useful for many simple reasons
1) it would aid in the moderation task - most people can read the word "support" and realise to post in there. if they can't then don't get a g1!
2) it would allow for a few people who are interested in helping out other newbie users to correct their problems without everyone having to read them if they don't want to.
3) there can be a place to move wrongly posted requests to.
4) everyone knows where to post them to in the first place!
that was my £0.02p
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Good list. Updated OP
So, I've been thinking about this a bit more... and drinking bombay/tonic and shots of patron, so take it with a grain of salt...hehe
Anyway, I actually think it could be useful at this point. Seeing all the troubleshooting threads in this forum, it could be useful to seperate truly general things with support related things.
The way I see it, at this moment:
Dream (26 Viewing)
Dream android development (237 Viewing)
Dream accessories (2 Viewing)
Dream themes and wallpapers (25 Viewing)
Dream applications and games (23 Viewing)
Obviously, development gets all the attention.
That's the main reason so many people go straight there to get a question answered.
However; a support thread probably wouldn't see any less visitors than the other 4 threads and certainly more than the accessories thread. I dare say, accessories could be merged with general and be replaced with support.
It wouldn't hurt to have a handful of stickies of current support issues and an entire thread dedicated to it. Maybe having a thread that floated to the top in development called support that tried to redirect people to a support forum might work well.
Anyway, just a thought. Back to the tequila...
milestone.it said:
i feel that a support section would be useful for many simple reasons
1) it would aid in the moderation task - most people can read the word "support" and realise to post in there. if they can't then don't get a g1!
2) it would allow for a few people who are interested in helping out other newbie users to correct their problems without everyone having to read them if they don't want to.
3) there can be a place to move wrongly posted requests to.
4) everyone knows where to post them to in the first place!
that was my £0.02p
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Agreed =] I'm thankful for everyone commenting in this thread and keeping it alive. Come on guys, don't PRETEND you DON'T want a suppport section. Aren't all of you tired of the cluttered threads and the people telling you to sift through 300 page threads for answers? With this support section, finding an answer should be a breeze. I'm proposing we have sepeerate threads in the section for different ROMs and to post known problems and known solutions in the OPs. Let your opinions be heard! Going to go ahead and bump this up there. Come on! Comment! and vote in the poll
Okay, seeing as the xda mods don't seem to want to create us a section I thought I'd post this idea. I've been invited(well I asked) by another android forum to move our vogue/kaiser android dev over there. It has some pretty big advantages for us a dev's and makes things easier to keep organized.
So what do you guys think? Yes or No
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Okay, seeing as the xda mods don't seem to want to create us a section I thought I'd post this idea. I've been invited(well I asked) by another android forum to move our vogue/kaiser android dev over there. It has some pretty big advantages for us a dev's and makes things easier to keep organized.
So what do you guys think? Yes or No
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Hey, whatever it takes to take this project further, i agree.
I mentioned this in the IRC a while back while organization was being discussed. I think it would help be more organized. Links to whereever should be kept in a general thread on here though to maintain support.
I'd much rather keep it on xda, but in its own section of the forum.
I'd rather see it on XDA forums as well, but if that's not an option yet, then heck yeah: move ahoy!
I don't see why we can't branch out but I don't believe we should totally abandon xda. I mean this is where it started.
i would have to say yes...move it to an android board. xda must not be interested in giving you want you want here. even though ive given up on the vogue-android for now because of issues id love to see you guys reach your goals of having a "fully" functional build.
i like xda but i'm all for more organization so i say yes!
sounds good to me for the best of the project
The optimal solution would be a sub-forum here, but it doesn't seem to be something the powers that be are willing to do. I would go for a sub forum on the android forum, with a stickey here to point to it.
I am f-ing pissed right now after numerous emails to the mods on this site with no response at all, I say we move the threads over to the other site for the time being until we get our own subsection.
tallnerd1985 said:
I am f-ing pissed right now after numerous emails to the mods on this site with no response at all, I say we move the threads over to the other site for the time being until we get our own subsection.
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i know man me too. they just ignore my posts in the request thread
I cannot understand why they would rather lose us rather than create a simple sub-section. Has there been ANY dialogue with the moderators here? This just doesn't make any sense UI
i believe it's because the vogue is not an 'official' android device. but that still doesn't excuse the mods from ignoring requests even if the aren't going to grant them.
k guys, well it looks like we'll move. I'll get the required info to the devs and have the forum setup in the next couple of days and let you all know.
OKEY
Well, as a Vouge Phone User and Android Fan, it would of been nice to see a android "sub-forum" within XDA,But if that does not happen (which is has not) I will follow the Android movement to a diferent forum. ....so..... When/Where do we go?
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k guys, well it looks like we'll move. I'll get the required info to the devs and have the forum setup in the next couple of days and let you all know.
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So is the Vogue Android threads getting combined with the ones at the http://htc-android.com/ forums?
If so, I will contact the people at the Wing.Linux forums to see if they want to combine their development efforts over there as well. Hopefully we will get respotlighted again and get a article on Engadget or Phonearena again.
tallnerd1985 said:
So is the Vogue Android threads getting combined with the ones at the http://htc-android.com/ forums?
If so, I will contact the people at the Wing.Linux forums to see if they want to combine their development efforts over there as well. Hopefully we will get respotlighted again and get a article on Engadget or Phonearena again.
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That's not where I was looking no.. But I'll contact them and see what they're interested in setting up for us..
Cant remember if I voted but I guess I gotta go where the android leads me.
mssmison said:
Okay, seeing as the xda mods don't seem to want to create us a section I thought I'd post this idea. I've been invited(well I asked) by another android forum to move our vogue/kaiser android dev over there. It has some pretty big advantages for us a dev's and makes things easier to keep organized.
So what do you guys think? Yes or No
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I like having it on xda because the threads get listed in my control panel. With moving it, I have one more site I have to check. But if it REALLY would help move the project further, that's fine.
However, I think that having it here helps people discover the project and support it more. I'll follow you guys wherever you go, but have you considered what you'd be giving up by leaving XDA?
Plus, Android has pretty much taken over the Vogue section anyway, so it's like we created our own section on XDA. I would argue for just leaving it here for that reason. It's not like anything else ground-breaking is going on for these "antiques" we are using (Besides NFSFAN's incredible ROM's, that is, which is only one thread anyway).
[IMHO, to all above statements]
Now that I have your attention, can we please have some organization and forum ettiquette. This forum looks like complete hell and about 85% of the threads started in here belong in the GENERAL section- including THIS thread!
The reason I posted it here is because apparently, nobody knows how to use XDA and it would probably never be read in general. Please read the wiki page and follow forum rules. I am going to contact a moderator asap so that we can get this nasty **** cleaned up right away. It is seriously ridiculous. I come to the Development section of the Captivate forums to find stuff related to actual development(go figure) and not questions or comments about stuff that has nothing to do with development! No wonder the Vibrant development is moving along so much quicker. I think they actually have some people over there with brains and have been able to organize a team of sorts.
If this keeps up we will never have any devs willing to collaborate for this beautiful device.
I am done with my rant but please, please follow rules. If you want to know what a Development section is supposed to look like- go look in the Nexus One Development threads.
Thanks,
Troy
I agree... But that title is just cold man....
I agree, this phone seems to have attracted alot of technological illiterate people coming from an iphone or first time smart phone users that think this place is for technical support, well its not. Call at&t if you don't know how to use your phone.
If the galaxy s community wasn't so segregated we might be able to get something done. 4 forums for essentially the same phone is too much as well. I will contact a mod about this as well.t
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bad topic title, but I dont think all the Galaxy S variants should have their own forums - its annoying and unorganized
It is just that the Vibrant community is already Android literate and so have been on XDA for a while. Captivate people are new to Android and there is no moderator that has taken this over yet to push things to where they belong (including this reply!).
LOL. Funny title. Its sure to get some attention though. I agree and my poor Captivate will continue to sit unused while my Nexus One gets all my attention until some more development picks up.
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I noticed a this and posted a thread in general about getting some organization sadly only 2 replies. No one probably even read it fully.
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It is sad that this area does look pretty unorganized and I agree if you dont know how to use your phone, this development area is not for help.. Post in the General or go to another site. I am hoping we will get some people that are actually Android literate. I am reading more and more being new to Android but not unix/linux and not new to smart phones!
Cheers,
Charlie
Well, thanks for a heart stopping second I experienced when I read the title....but I do agree....but wow....
Thank you!
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I asked if there was a moderator for the captivate forum. I will upate post when I get more info.
Wheres that update.zip again?
After reading the OPs post.. I went on a scanning spree. I'd venture to sat that only about 30% of what's in this 'dev' forum actually pertains to development.. Really is quite frustrating when you're trying to scan pertinent data but using search would be to limiting.
Also.. I LOLd at the topic. Thank you.
I can agree with you about this, but you're not doing a whole lot better yourself posting topics like this with misleading titles. While you're trying to be helpful, you're only adding to the problems. Let the staff deal with the problems. If there are no moderators in the Captivate section, then lets get a few so they can take care of it.
And a Moderator jumps in!
Guys, it's true there are several forums that are lacking dedicated moderation.
After an 18 month hiatus I have "come in from the cold" {walked away from my iPhone} and returned to XDA-Devs. My new decive is, you guessed it, Samsung Captivate!
I'm still learning the new layout and Android but I will spend time working on the clean-up here, just don't expect it to get done overnight.
Feel free to PM me directly with threads that need moderator attention.
shaolin95 said:
Well, thanks for a heart stopping second I experienced when I read the title....but I do agree....but wow....
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LOL! Sorry guys but I had to put a title that EVERYONE would want to open the thread for and this is something that everyone would want to read. I just hope it is effective. I have already contacted a couple of moderators as well.
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And a Moderator jumps in!
After an 18 month hiatus I have "come in from the cold" {walked away from my iPhone} and returned to XDA-Devs. My new decive is, you guessed it, Samsung Captivate!
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Thanks for stepping up to the plate, it is defiantly a cluster f*** in this sub-forum. There are many, many threads that need to be merged, moved and or deleted.
Your future work is much appreciated!
TimF said:
Thanks for stepping up to the plate, it is defiantly a cluster f*** in this sub-forum. There are many, many threads that need to be merged, moved and or deleted.
Your future work is much appreciated!
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I'd bet most of the members here now don't remember how wild the Kaiser forums were for several months after it hit the streets. It's amazing what a few vigilant Moderators can to do a forum with a little time and the help of the user base.
If we seem to over-moderate for a while just understand that you've got to hack away a lot of weeds before you can prune the bushes nicely.
Seeing the title of this thread changed and not by me was the BIGGEST sigh of relief!!! Thank you Moderator for stepping in and I apoligize for getting anyone excited a little early. I felt it was necessary. Hopefully everyone will stay on track now.
God Thank you so much! I can agree. A lot of the Galaxy S community are fairly new to XDA, but I think they will get it eventually
There's always a learning curve, but try to be respectful guys. This is my first Android phone as well, and I'm coming from the iPhone 3G for 2 years and the iPhone 4 for a month. Now, I'm pretty quick with this type of stuff, and I'm not new to messing with phones, firmware, linux, hell, I even messed with Android on the iPhone for a while there, but most of that was way over my head since they needed driver developers, but a lot of us are new here (or back to being new again in my case, since my WM phone before my iPhone).
Please stop being rude to people who aren't as experienced as you. Yes, I understand it's annoying when someone who barely knows how to download an app from the Market wants help flashing firmware or something like that, but hell, I was asking for help with that just a week ago or so too. Use the report button if a topic is in the wrong place rather than belittling the person. We'll progress a lot more if we work together rather than fighting each other.
1. A FAQ listed on each section. I know we have Wiki, but its usually outdated and hard to navigate. There really is no need for gigantic lists, but simple things like how to root, use odin, use clockwork, install roms/themes, etc... can be put there along with a warning on asking questions which have already been posted on the FAQ.
2. More Mods! I think just one or two more mods can help the forums a lot and clean things up.
3. Warnings for people who post questions that have already been answered on the front page of a thread or faq followed by a temp ban if they continue.
I'm really tired of the cycle of
- Dumb question posted
- Followed by "read the damn thread or use the damn search button"
- Followed by "Hey you were a noob once and theres no harm in answering the question you ass along with lengthy answer on the question that will inevitable be asked 10 more times in the near future"
- Continue flame war that now has nothing to do with the thread anymore
You enable people by holding their hands. Don't be an enabler. If you managed to find out how to do all this crap on your own, they can too. At most you should point them to the right thread and let them read up on it on their own so they can further their own education.
4. Don't PM the Devs for requests. They have enough work on their hands and don't need to be flooded. Remember the rule of think before you speak? Try thinking before you PM.
Anyhoo, there was a bunch more, but I'm sure you guys/gals have other ideas.
riceknight said:
1. A FAQ listed on each section. I know we have Wiki, but its usually outdated and hard to navigate. There really is no need for gigantic lists, but simple things like how to root, use odin, use clockwork, install roms/themes, etc... can be put there along with a warning on asking questions which have already been posted on the FAQ.
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I don't understand why the "[How To] Return to Stock / Fix Bricked Epic" thread is not sticked.
If someone posts they bricked their phone and needs help you post the link to that thread and lock it.
I like the sentiment of this thread but fear it might be taken the wrong way. Whosdaman is really a wonderful guy and has been very helpful to me but it seems like he is very busy (and who can blame him for dealing with things outside of the interwebs?) so I support this I would also like to issue a blanket "Thank you for your hard work" to Whosdaman.
Seeing as this is a collection of developers I don't see why we don't customize the forum itself.
I don't see any reason we can't flag the development and Q/A threads for every phone. Then, if "is this a question" is set to yes, automatically put it in that phone's Q/A forum. On top of which we could add a "You are posting in the development forum, this is reserved for people developing for [insert phone]. Please check the box below to confirm that you are developing something you wish to share." anytime people posted in the development forum.
Obviously people can still screw it up, if nothing else on purpose, but we can expect people who have never been on the forums to know how the forums are laid out, usually by reading the rules, which never happens, to sort their own, or we can make it as self sorting as possible.
Sounds like whosedaman just needs some support. Perhaps another mod added to help out. We all have to keep in mind that these guys don't get paid for this and real life always trumps forums life. Just my thought on this.
Sent from my Epic while i should be working
I was wondering why there was so much confusion in this forum, as I really liked the forums I used for the month I had a Moment before the Epic dropped. Was there ever a forum on here for the moment??? I couldnt find one, so I checked sdx, which I remember lurking back then and found my answer. Why can't Xda have 'child forums', with descriptions of where and why to post things?? They have a 'market' forum section for ROMs, etc, which we here are using development exclusively. I understand why, but it seems its this way here because of limited tools for organizing, can this sites software not do that? It is completely logical and intuitive to post questions directly regarding development or roms in the development section if you are new... I would have expected a sub-forum for roms only, or at least some direction other than after the fact... usually unless its horribly out of order, whosdaman is pretty polite about it, and given the feelings regarding this device, things get silly in here. Anyways, yes, at least sticky all roms and things 'coolguy' or whatever dont warrant flaming, and then politely notify the new people that questions regarding development actually get booted over to general, where intuitively people would assume GENERAL questions like 'do you like gmail or the stock app better?'.
More mods? Better structure? Who has control over this? Are there any experienced volunteers that can help whosdaman out with his daunting task?
We need to expect more 'joined in Dec 2010' and later members as every idiot with a blog and engadget included seem to think this site and forum are the authority, even over Sprint and Samsung (if XDA says 2.2 is dropping, it must be true, head over there and complain about it). NOTHING against new members, just that there is little direction other than the 'rules' that most people think are just 'dont flame, no kiddie porn... etc...' Dont get all elitist because people couldnt figure out your simple, non-intuitive structure because its their first 5 mins here.
Love this forum, but its like people are baited into getting flamed by assuming this forum runs like most any other... I thought I saw the end of this when I refused to go to another BBC chat... guess not.
If you feel that you must deputize yourself, please, copy the link to the wiki, rules, etc and paste them in misplaced, repeat threads and leave it at that.
since this is a fluff post, BigJim, whats the 1488 stand for??? Just curious...
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since this is a fluff post, BigJim, whats the 1488 stand for??? Just curious...
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Pardon? I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'a fluff post'. I sincerely hope Whosdaman reads this thread and takes into account that there are some of us who would genuinely like to help him make our forums a more manageable place to browse and share ideas/roms/themes/etc. I am in no way asking for myself to be made a mod but rather I believe there are people here who would make good mods and I hope that WDM sees that we support him and want to help him make our community more accessible!
I'm willing to be a mod here I have experience and would know and how to handle things here...
Admins or mods pm me
sent from my Epic 4G
riceknight said:
1. A FAQ listed on each section. I know we have Wiki, but its usually outdated and hard to navigate. There really is no need for gigantic lists, but simple things like how to root, use odin, use clockwork, install roms/themes, etc... can be put there along with a warning on asking questions which have already been posted on the FAQ.
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Did you do a search before posting this? There's already a thread on it, learn how to use the search.
Ok, that was my attempt at humor
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since this is a fluff post, BigJim, whats the 1488 stand for??? Just curious...
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I don't think this is fluff at all and whosdaman does deserve to be thanked for his, well, thankless work.
1488 is a race thing. They usually won't tell you what the ideology of it is in public. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words
Although I don't agree with the sentiment of the belief structure, I support their right to peacefully observe their beliefs.
Yeah I know that meaning its generally a tattooed target, was just hoping it was just some retarded interweb speak. Sorry to hear. Almost forgot what it was though... not many Boneheads around here, not anymore.
BTW, I respect Lady Gaga's work, although I dont like it, therefore I see no reason to put it in my username.... its ok, you have a right to be a Nazi in this country...
Regrettably, I do read almost every thread in this forum, and forums I maintain...
<--------- Look here, I have 8 forums to maintain full time, but 6 are dead lol
Yeah I do have a life outside this for sure. Not only am I a senior in High School, I am on the Mock Trial team, the Robotics Team, a Sales Representative for Sprint, and a Writer for BriefMobile.com
So yeah I would say I'm busy, but I look over the entire forum as much as I can. Shep211 has been extremely busy in his personal life, that's why I started helping.
It is a thankless job, it's a volunteer job. All free, I don't get paid. The only thanks comes from the owner of the site when I say "if you fix this the site will be better."
Besides all that I can single handedly control this entire forum. I know it sometimes looks cluttered and in a mess, but then again...the Development section is spotless, which is truely the only thing that matters. The General section is meant to be a mess because it's where everyone posts their questions and complaints.
There are applications to become a moderator here on XDA, you have to meet certain requirements to be considered and then be approved. No one of this forum knows my experience as a moderator unless you used GameBattles.com for PS3.
If you want to help me out the most, please please please, use the "Report Post" feature. Every reported post goes straight to my inbox, and I see every single one. Normally RP's get extra attention as they obviously have bothered someone enough to have it reported. 90% of the RP's are either Ghost or Kenvan.
The search feature would do alot of people good, it's nice to tell people to do something, but Report the post/thread and I'll take care of it. You clutter up the forum and threads by posting in threads saying to post in General, just report it. That's all.
Sure, I wish everyone searched because there are at least 5 can't root threads. I would rather merge them all but it too much work to find them. Like I said, let the noobs make their mistake. The members report the post, don't tell them they were wrong. I'll move it, shoot them a PM, and then post in their thread telling them where they should have posted. Then hopefully they will learn.
Thanks again,
WDM
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Pardon? I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'a fluff post'. I sincerely hope Whosdaman reads this thread and takes into account that there are some of us who would genuinely like to help him make our forums a more manageable place to browse and share ideas/roms/themes/etc. I am in no way asking for myself to be made a mod but rather I believe there are people here who would make good mods and I hope that WDM sees that we support him and want to help him make our community more accessible!
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Sorry, fluff may have been a wrong choice of words, I was implying that as this has been talked about before, and ignored by the powers that be, I saw it was going to end up an off topic post eventually, or at least until the elitist post Nazis (no offense bigjim) came in and said how we are cluttering their precious first page of posts, because as most have trouble with the AMAZING search function, a lot here have a lot of trouble with 'next page', you dont even have to pick which page, it takes you right to the next one!
Sorry, this is just getting really retarded around here, oh and BigJim,apologies, last comment on your beliefs, if off topic, but being an anarcho-punk, its hard not to at least ask if that is REALLY what you are talking about.
hehe *blush* I've tried to resort to reporting posts lately as opposed to trying to deal with problems on my own. Hope its not too much of a burden.
THANK YOU whosdaman! that is a very simple way to deal with the clutter issue... didnt even realise what the report button was till i looked around for it. I agree that not replying, positive or negative is good, if its easier for you to redirect them (you could probably easily make a form letter, just sub in 'froyo', 'GPS', or 'search' and the rest is pretty much the same!)
So what of the ability to make sub forums??? to be able to have a section under Dev that is for general DEV RELATED questions would be cool... most people assume that General is for stock, non rooted phone discussion, and Development is for anything to do with development. I think I remember one called 'all things root'?? Idunno, but you get the idea. So what is the plausability of this?? not possible with site software? Too much work??? Just curious, I have asked in similar threads and I think you were too busy with other stuff... I tend to avoid PM especially if it is something someone else may be able to answer, as we all know, mods are busy, especially in this forum. Thanks for all your hard work!
I certainly appreciate all the hard work Whosdaman has been doing with these forums, but unless he enjoys handling all this, wouldn't an extra mod or two be helpful?
My biggest thing is the FAQ post. Someone asks questions, you can point and say you should have read that first. Like I said before, the Wiki is great, but its a little cluttered and outdated as well as being hard to edit. Having one person willing to just moderate that one thread would be so helpful.
It bugs me when the whole community seems to be represented by the lazy people who just spam post. There are plenty of helpful, polite and very well informed that get lost among the clutter. In fact, they probably outnumber the newbies but don't feel the need to post nonsense. For every idiot that asks a dumb question, there are probably 10 that actually do research and figure it out for themselves.
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hehe *blush* I've tried to resort to reporting posts lately as opposed to trying to deal with problems on my own. Hope its not too much of a burden.
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Nope, I love you and ghost for reporting post. I always look forward to waking up and seeing 10 new PMs lol
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THANK YOU whosdaman! that is a very simple way to deal with the clutter issue... didnt even realise what the report button was till i looked around for it. I agree that not replying, positive or negative is good, if its easier for you to redirect them (you could probably easily make a form letter, just sub in 'froyo', 'GPS', or 'search' and the rest is pretty much the same!)
So what of the ability to make sub forums??? to be able to have a section under Dev that is for general DEV RELATED questions would be cool... most people assume that General is for stock, non rooted phone discussion, and Development is for anything to do with development. I think I remember one called 'all things root'?? Idunno, but you get the idea. So what is the plausability of this?? not possible with site software? Too much work??? Just curious, I have asked in similar threads and I think you were too busy with other stuff... I tend to avoid PM especially if it is something someone else may be able to answer, as we all know, mods are busy, especially in this forum. Thanks for all your hard work!
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I have no control over sub-forums. And right now it is only me working on the entire Epic forum. Like I said shep211 is gone atm.
svetius is in charge of the entire site, and I've talked to him about improvements that can be made. I wouldn't bother him too much or he'll just ignore ya. Most of the time the only things he is interested is fixing errors with the site itself. Right now I don't think we are in the area of reorganizing the entire site.
ok, so adding a subforum is not possible? Or is it a decision to make the structure uniform across the whole site? Just thinking, because this forum is like maximum security, different from the rest... or so it would seem...
I'm not so sure making more areas, and thus more chances to be wrong, is a good way to combat posting in the wrong area.
If you have a rom question, ask it in the rom thread. All that would happen if there were subforums for things in development, and discussion of things in development is we'd have 37 threads about how "I just discovered ___ doesn't work in [rom]" instead of 50 posts about it in the rom thread.
(Not to mention you'd then be blurring the line of when it is or isn't ok to post in the DEV forum, where as now, if the person bothers to read, there's a pretty clear cut "If you aren't about to post about the thing you just developed, GTFO" rule.)
I would love to have a Sony UI on my Nexus 7.
Is there perhaps a ROM that lets me enjoy the Sony tablet UI on my Nexus 7?
I can't just install the Xperia Home apk file.
Sony's UI is the only one I think is better than stock Android as I have now and it would complement my current Sony Xperia S.
I've googled this and I've searched here on XDA for a similar thread but I couldn't find anything of use.
I can't be the only one, can I?
I would really appreciate anyone who could help me out. I'm sure you'll be helping out others too!
It's hard to port only launcher, because these OEM launchers rely heavily on their own framework. You can search around a little, I think (but not sure) that I was some xperia related apps being ported, but I don't know where.
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It's hard to port only launcher, because these OEM launchers rely heavily on their own framework. You can search around a little, I think (but not sure) that I was some xperia related apps being ported, but I don't know where.
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Is it difficult to port the entire Sony UI thingy to the Nexus 7 then?
It's a shame. Sony makes their UI very clean and very elegant. A Sony Nexus 7 would therefore be epic and I presumed it could just be ported as it's simply a skin of Android (or so I had thought).
Read this.
Use the search function next time please.
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Read this.
Use the search function next time please.
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I don't know if you've realised, but I had already tried searching and I even responded to that thread already.
So unfortunately your reply wasn't of much use to me. The thread even says it's "coming soon" but it was made a while ago.
Use your eyeballs next time please
Then post in an already existing thread rather than making a new one. Read the forum rules. Making threads about the same issue or question is not going to solve anything. Post in one that exist. If it gets a reply, great. If it doesn't, too bad.
Edit - You created this thread almost 2 hours before you wrote in the existing one, which tells me that you in fact did not search for it first, but just made a thread. So don't tell me to "use my eyes" next time.
^^^^^ A new mod or someone playing the part?
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^^^^^ A new mod or someone playing the part?
Sent via my Nexus 7, Amiga 3000 or HTC EVO 3D
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You can't deny he's got ambition!
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Then post in an already existing thread rather than making a new one. Read the forum rules. Making threads about the same issue or question is not going to solve anything. Post in one that exist. If it gets a reply, great. If it doesn't, too bad.
Edit - You created this thread almost 2 hours before you wrote in the existing one, which tells me that you in fact did not search for it first, but just made a thread. So don't tell me to "use my eyes" next time.
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To the EDIT: I did indeed use the search function before posting this. I just couldn't find anything relevant in the first couple of pages so I guess it would've been easier to just make a new thread. Maybe others who hadn't thought about it might enjoy a Sony UI on their Nexus 7.
Oh and also, this thread is very generally speaking. I'm not just looking for the launcher. Or individual apps. My intention was to find a custom ROM or anything related to the Sony UI to be ported to the Nexus 7. Not just what(ever) was in that link.
Thanks anyway for the attention. This is getting off-topic so I would prefer to see posts of something relevant to my question. Like an actual ROM or something. Maybe even getting a modder as far as to make one himself :victory:
EDIT: Why do you feel the need to correct every tiny mistake I could've made regarding posting rules? My number of posts isn't very high so one would presume I'm new here and I don't know everything there is to this forum yet. A tiny additional note might've been more in place.
I'll try to keep this short. Around 99% of questions have already been asked and answered here on XDA. Chances are if you search hard enough, you'll find it. Rather than taking the lazy route and just creating a new thread, it's generally preferred to do research. That is what XDA is all about - research and development.
While I am not a moderator here, I am an active member, and I try to guide and point people to the right direction as much as I can, in order to keep the forums clean. Because after a while, you too will get sick of seeing people asking the same questions over and over again, even when there are 50+ page threads dedicated to the topic.
Don't take it personally, I am just trying to help. And I did by providing you with a link, pointing to where this discussion should be taking place - in an already ongoing thread.
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I'll try to keep this short. Around 99% of questions have already been asked and answered here on XDA. Chances are if you search hard enough, you'll find it. Rather than taking the lazy route and just creating a new thread, it's generally preferred to do research. That is what XDA is all about - research and development.
While I am not a moderator here, I am an active member, and I try to guide and point people to the right direction as much as I can, in order to keep the forums clean. Because after a while, you too will get sick of seeing people asking the same questions over and over again, even when there are 50+ page threads dedicated to the topic.
Don't take it personally, I am just trying to help. And I did by providing you with a link, pointing to where this discussion should be taking place - in an already ongoing thread.
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I agree with that, and yes, I have read enough on these XDA forums that I do get tired of noobs asking the same thing over and over again, but my thread is more of a general question regarding a way to add a Sony UI to the Nexus 7.
And I haven't seen one of these threads yet.
So yeah, if anyone has any idea how to get a full Sony Xperience on the Nexus 7, I'm more than happy to hear about that!
Sv: [Q] Sony Tablet UI on Nexus 7 - is it possible?
Hopefully, Xperia Tablet Z will be more popular, and get a bigger XDA community.
The search feature on the xda app is terrible. I find better results using the website or Google.
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ynrozturk said:
I'll try to keep this short. Around 99% of questions have already been asked and answered here on XDA. Chances are if you search hard enough, you'll find it. Rather than taking the lazy route and just creating a new thread, it's generally preferred to do research. That is what XDA is all about - research and development.
While I am not a moderator here, I am an active member, and I try to guide and point people to the right direction as much as I can, in order to keep the forums clean. Because after a while, you too will get sick of seeing people asking the same questions over and over again, even when there are 50+ page threads dedicated to the topic.
Don't take it personally, I am just trying to help. And I did by providing you with a link, pointing to where this discussion should be taking place - in an already ongoing thread.
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100% Agreed.
XDA is getting more and more diluted every single day.
Try this link....it is for sony launcher and widgets but I can confirm it is working fine on n7.
You can change alot of features and icons etc.
The link is
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=34823516
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