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No Custom ROMs for Honeycomb

Well via to an article over at Android Central, and Bloomberg: Business Week, its been said by Google that they wont be releasing the source code for Honeycomb. The reasoning behind it apparently is to keep your small time, crap companies, from trying to put 3.0.x onto a device and giving android a bad rep. So I dont think we will be seeing any ROMs until Ice cream.
Source: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-not-open-sourcing-honeycomb-says-bloomberg

Google Holds Honeycomb Tight
It will delay distribution of new Android tablet source code to outside programmers
We'll get it eventually..

Eventually we may but they are saying they dont want craplet devices coming out that aren't intended to run HC. Yea I can see them releasing the source code, after they get a version of this new style android that runs on phones and tables, AKA ice cream. They also say that it wont be release in the foreseeable future, I take this as dont loose sleep waiting for it.

jmc2543 said:
Eventually we may but they are saying they dont want craplet devices coming out that aren't intended to run HC. Yea I can see them releasing the source code, after they get a version of this new style android that runs on phones and tables, AKA ice cream. They also say that it wont be release in the foreseeable future, I take this as dont loose sleep waiting for it.
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running Tiamat .1.1.6 for the OCing & USB

I Saw somewhere that they are only holding the source code back from the masses to ****up. you can still request & sign for the source code if you ask google directly.
IANAL, but if the owner of the source code decides not to publish, isn't that their right? regardless what "Licence" they publish it under?

When it comes to preventing carriers from putting money sucking spamware on your phone googles "that would jepordize the very definition of open source". But when it comes to releasing the source code for developers to smooth out and patch their half baked OS so each consumer (who paid an unwarranted premium for their device in the first place) can have the free choice of how they would like their "open source" OS to function googles.
Say it aint so.
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I think people need to relax on this issue. Google will release it when they are ready. Either way I can almost guarantee that it will be leaked. The Dev community always gets what I needs. To be honest it is a little annoying that the android community freaks out over everything. Everyone just relax. I am going to go back to enjoying my Xoom.
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orionshock said:
I Saw somewhere that they are only holding the source code back from the masses to ****up. you can still request & sign for the source code if you ask google directly.
IANAL, but if the owner of the source code decides not to publish, isn't that their right? regardless what "Licence" they publish it under?
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Not if they have already distributed product using it. AKA Xoom.

colbyb25 said:
I think people need to relax on this issue. Google will release it when they are ready. Either way I can almost guarantee that it will be leaked. The Dev community always gets what I needs. To be honest it is a little annoying that the android community freaks out over everything. Everyone just relax. I am going to go back to enjoying my Xoom.
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I believe this is not just a simple issue.. leaked <> AOSP
one thing for sure, if we don't have HC AOSP, never expect custom rom..
this android open source is going into nightmare .. Google please remember this "Don't be Evil" ..
this is ur second Evil move after c&d letter to cyanogen..
peace all..

Curious why there haven't been any Zip Aligned or Deodexed roms put out, even if that is as far as we can go other than Kernel Tweaks.
I'm not complaining, just curious.
I guess well have stuff in due time.

So if I type assassinate and then.....Google, do u think they will send a team of nerds and lawyers to get me. Be a martyr...start a revolution..Viva la Zoom
...j/k. Not serious
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You don't need the source code to make a quality rom.
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whitedragon33 said:
+1
running Tiamat .1.1.6 for the OCing & USB
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Ftw
Kcarpenter said:
Curious why there haven't been any Zip Aligned or Deodexed roms put out, even if that is as far as we can go other than Kernel Tweaks.
I'm not complaining, just curious.
I guess well have stuff in due time.
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Bauxite said:
You don't need the source code to make a quality rom.
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Here's the deal guys. The legend JesusFreke has stated that he needs source to update his programs smali / baksmali. The are the base tools for decompiling framework and apk.
we cannot deodex rom without those tools. Thus we cannot modify smali and XML. So we are stuck with a stock rom. But we have kernel source which is far more important.
So, its all good for now

Is it still possible to theme the Stock ROM without deodexing? I thought I read somewhere that you could but it was not as easy.

Samsung probably pissed them off for putting their craptastic TouchWiz on the new Galaxy Tabs.

I bet you we'll see the Honeycomb source around the I/O in May. I bet we'll also get the deal on 2.4 and some hints for the next version which will unify the tablet and phone forks back into one.

th0r615 said:
I bet you we'll see the Honeycomb source around the I/O in May. I bet we'll also get the deal on 2.4 and some hints for the next version which will unify the tablet and phone forks back into one.
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3 weeks after io..I think that's how long it took for froyo source.
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My guess is Google is probably more worried about all the bagnasty China tabs that have flooded the market all running earlier versions of Android.. Imagine the cheap China crap that would hit the streets if they released the HC Source.. No way the masses would pay the big bucks for the Google sanctioned Tablets when they could pick up a China tab for pennies on the dollar..

While I don't think Google is doing themselves any favors by taking this approach, I would point out that folks would probably make more headway spending time porting Ubuntu or one of the other Linux distributions to the Xoom than trying to prevail on Google to change their ways.

Let's Take A Deep Breath Folks
I'm going to keep this short because I'm not a developer yet, so I'm only qualified to speak as a user and as a grateful member of this forum. As I understand it, in order to be "open" the code has to eventually be released (kind of like non-packaged Linux, i.e. CentOS, Ubuntu, etc.).
From what I've experienced, the only people that DON'T want code coming to us are the carriers. When you folks develop way better ROMs than the crap with bloatware that they try to pass off to us, it hurts their wallets - BFD!!
I'm honored and proud of you guys and I KNOW that the Google probably held it for legitimate problems that they're going to fix for us. Once that's done, they KNOW that once you get a hold of it, more people are going to be exposed to it which only makes more people want future versions. that's how I got snagged by you folks, first with Windows Mobile and then with Android.
I have faith in parts of the system. I have faith in Google to deliver their end, it's the carriers and their greedy practices that I don't trust. Keep the faith folks, take a deep breath and relax. XOOM has been here for only a minute, but we KNOW that it's unlocked, it's rooted and as soon as the 4G hardware and the SD card issues are resolved, we're going to be hip-deep in better versions of the ROMs. I believe that with all my heart because you folks have shown it to me time and again.
It's gonna be great - just wait and see.

Kernel source release date

Just thought you guys would be keen to know - after chasing it up with Acer New Zealand, they have confirmed the kernel source will be released on the 22nd of this month, so that's exciting news.

themono said:
Just thought you guys would be keen to know - after chasing it up with Acer New Zealand, they have confirmed the kernel source will be released on the 22nd of this month, so that's exciting news.
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What form of communication and how reliable is the information?

great news...
but, where is the source ?
any link ?
btw, just 6 days to go then

So, that'll be just in time for 3.1 then, and probably a different kernel!
I hope they release the 3.1 kernel source a bit quicker...

I opened a support task which quoted the license they include on the device back to them, and politely asked where I could take them up on the offer of source code. I made it very clear I was talking about the kernel, and not honeycomb as a whole.
They passed it up the chain straight away, and then came back to say the reoly they'd had was that it would be placed on the Acer website on the 22nd of this month. I'll screenshot the support task in a moment.

I think it will be 3.0.1 not 3.1 though.

Here you go, screenshot of the support task here. I think I've shopped out all my details, but in case I haven't and someone spots something, please let me know! I'm always paranoid with posting screenshots...
Crap, totally didn't. One second...
There, got it this time! Please excuse the terribly classy MS Paint removing my name the bottom time...
http://i.imgur.com/eCVh1.jpg

Sadly I agree with the general consensus and suspect this will be 3.0.1 source and we will probably have to wait just as long for 3.1.
Is this a deliberate delay to keep the released source behind the latest running version, or a paranoid conspiracy theory from an individual who has been at work for way too long today? You decide!

I choose to hope that, given I heard the 23rd as a release date for 3.1, that the 22nd might see a simultaneous release of 3.1 and the 3.1 kernel source. Lets stay positive!
Although, I'd note, that just having the source to all Acer's drivers for the 3.0 kernel would make it a lot easier to hack up a working 3.1 kernel from Motorola/Asus source, even if Acer doesn't immediately release 3.1 source.

Thank you. Yeah...Let's stay positive -ve

themono said:
I choose to hope that, given I heard the 23rd as a release date for 3.1, that the 22nd might see a simultaneous release of 3.1 and the 3.1 kernel source. Lets stay positive!
Although, I'd note, that just having the source to all Acer's drivers for the 3.0 kernel would make it a lot easier to hack up a working 3.1 kernel from Motorola/Asus source, even if Acer doesn't immediately release 3.1 source.
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I prefer an indifferent air of pessimism. That way, I'm never disappointed...
Seriously though, here's to hoping June will be a good month for the Iconia after all.

FloatingFatMan said:
So, that'll be just in time for 3.1 then, and probably a different kernel!
I hope they release the 3.1 kernel source a bit quicker...
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It's a very saaaaaad truth, but you're speculation will happen & then we'll have to wait ...again.

mr.r9 said:
It's a very saaaaaad truth, but you're speculation will happen & then we'll have to wait ...again.
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Can still use and tweak the 3.0 kernel source. Kernel does not go with Honeycomb version.

Hi guys !
Acer still didn't published their kernel code, really ?
People in the Transformer forum told me it uses a Wolfson WM8903 DAC, it means I could port Voodoo sound.
No way without source, of course.

Nice to see you here Mr Voodoo

12:44 AM 22/06/2011 Aussie time. No sight of update

Meanwhile... Samsung releases Galaxy Tab 10.1 kernel source

When acer releases 3.1 can you update to it if youre rooted ?

If it doesn't come out today, I'll chase it up again in that same support task.

thunderkiss65 said:
When acer releases 3.1 can you update to it if youre rooted ?
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no one can say for sure.. but it probably will update. I imagine this is going to be a full system update that will install regardless of what you have on it.

[DEV] Android 3.2 Source Code Available in AOSP

For anyone whois interested, and anyone ready to start DEV'n with the latest version of Honeycomb.
The GPL source code for Android 3.2 is available in AOSP.
More info at Android Building @Google Groups
http://groups.google.com/group/android-building/msg/6410b44798c19d61
NOTE; It isnt the full code. This is just the LGPL/GPL portions

I.e. the Linux kernel.
Regards,
Dave

Thats all it is, just the kernel source? I was hoping it was more....

brando56894 said:
Thats all it is, just the kernel source? I was hoping it was more....
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Its already been said that honecomb will remain closed source then ics which will be for phones and tablets will be open source again
sent from Christ All Mighty

Asus tweeted that 3.2 on transformer is in progress and maybe released soon.
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Soon is anybody's guess?

Heh, Im used to Samsung's idea of soon. Aka, 7-9months after release.
It wont be too long, Asus is staying on top of their updates

Last time they said soon, i believe it was about 2 weeks? Not bad imho.

If I am not mistaken eee transformer was released late April. On 31st of May Asus released 3.1 update. Thus I would expect 3.2 update in 2-3 weeks.

gbil said:
If I am not mistaken eee transformer was released late April. On 31st of May Asus released 3.1 update. Thus I would expect 3.2 update in 2-3 weeks.
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But how long after 3.1 released on the Xoom did Asus make their own release? I think that would be more indicative of when they will release 3.2. Hopefully their kernal source doesn't take as long (relatively) as last time.

Artood2s said:
But how long after 3.1 released on the Xoom did Asus make their own release?
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A week maybe? Don't remember.

SN4K3B1T3 said:
Its already been said that honecomb will remain closed source then ics which will be for phones and tablets will be open source again
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No it has not. If it has really been said, from google, then go.
The last I've heard (and heard repeatedly, from google) is that it will all be open source, and they just have reasons not to release source yet. 3.x is still a very new platform and they expect much more.
Source will be released summer/fall w/ ICS.

I hope ICS will arrive on the TFv1. If open sourced a lot of fixes and mods are on the way for sure. Not sure how open access to Tegra 2 will be though

I see news like this, and my brain explodes

So, you see headlines like this:
"Samsung Releases Conquer 4G Kernel Source Code Before The Phone Even Hits Shelves"
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...urce-code-before-the-phone-even-hits-shelves/
And I can't help but think to myself..."OK, so Sammy is starting to see the benefit of getting source code out for its devices, this is good", and then I sit back and reflect upon the fact that the Epic still doesn't have the source code we're looking for (amirite?).
Now, I'm not going to piss and bemoan the fact, BUT, I am going to wonder why it is so. Is there some sort of secret sauce there? Or perhaps is there something VERY embarrassing in their source code? OR, is Sammy really that schizo?
In all, I've been pleased with the steps Sammy has taken. Sure, it would be nice to have me some GB, or even better some CM7, but hey, the Epic is still a great device despite some of the quirks that need to be straightened out.
Thoughts?

Its probably because gb is not being built yet so they don't have it complete. The phone you referenced to the build is probably complete. Yes it us nice to see Sammy doing this though.
"The greatest respect you can earn is self respect" Louie Simmons

musclehead84 said:
Its probably because gb is not being built yet so they don't have it complete. The phone you referenced to the build is probably complete. Yes it us nice to see Sammy doing this though.
"The greatest respect you can earn is self respect" Louie Simmons
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Yes, but isn't the problem the CM7 squad is having with our device related to source code for our drivers?

the reason CM7 isn't fully functional for our phones is a kernel and drivers issue. Without GB source for those, we have a hacked together partially working port.

Got it.
Well, if that didn't make your head asplode, then this surely will:
http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbzone.html

It's source code for a finished product. Not exactly the same situation as wanting source code for leaked builds.

MeetFace said:
Yes, but isn't the problem the CM7 squad is having with our device related to source code for our drivers?
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Plus driver source isnt open source so they don't have to give it to us

it ships with GB, what do you mean it's not being built yet? I think they are not releasing source for us because our phones are reaching EOL and they want us to buy new ones.

theduce102 said:
Plus driver source isnt open source so they don't have to give it to us
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What happens if thy never give it to us? Are we screwed?
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CapsLockKey said:
It's source code for a finished product. Not exactly the same situation as wanting source code for leaked builds.
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Yes. To clarify, to my knowledge Samsung has released the kernel and GPL platform component sources for every official Epic firmware version a day or two prior to its release.
They don't release sources for leaked builds because those builds were never officially released in the first place.

mkasick said:
Yes. To clarify, to my knowledge Samsung has released the kernel and GPL platform component sources for every official Epic firmware version a day or two prior to its release.
They don't release sources for leaked builds because those builds were never officially released in the first place.
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This makes rational sense. Would be nice if they released those driver sources this next time around. Would be a good measure to producing goodwill & brand loyalty IMO.

No phone company has ever released driver sources and nor will they. Its open kernel source not open driver source. There is some other reasons they don't release driver source but it would be nice if all phone manufacturers did but that's a perfect world

Phone companies haven't but what about component companies like Nvidia they released Nvflash
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xopher.hunter said:
What happens if thy never give it to us? Are we screwed?
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No. As stated 1000 times, it is 100% possible to write drivers, a kernel and etc from scratch just much more labor intensive than using source code.

Sooo, just wondering if since the conquer 4g is VERY similar to the epic since its gb source code was released would it help us at all?
I'm just asking cause my moment ran on a frankenstein froyo port that came mostly from the transform and a little bit from the intercept and it was awesome.
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Nvidia to release ICS binaries and drivers for Tegra 2 and 3 devices early next year

There you have it folks, sit tight and wait for Nvidia. Once we have all the required drivers, we are set I hope this settles everyone down.
Please let me know if this thread is in the wrong place, but i think it's best in General (also makes a nice change from MIUI begging )
NVIDIA has been working with Google and Motorola to provide the open source community with the required drivers and other binary code to build full Android OS images for the Tegra 2 powered "Motorola Xoom". We expect Google to make those components available as part of the Android Open Source Project soon.
In addition, NVIDIA is working on a full release of Ice Cream Sandwich (ICS) for our Tegra 2 Dual Core and Tegra 3 Quad Core reference devices to be made available early next year. This release package will comprise of binary code, drivers developed on our reference platforms and any patches necessary to ensure stability & performance with ICS. We hope the open source community can leverage this release for their work on all Tegra devices.
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Source

That's great news!
Thanks for sharing

Rayan said:
That's great news!
Thanks for sharing
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Couldn't believe it at first! I checked here to confirm it was true but there was no thread, so i decided to share the good news! I was worrying that our device was being forgotten about, but i guess the real fun starts early 2012!

Hooray!

Awesome news! I'm gonna have this phone for at least another 18 months, so this is very encouraging!
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Bumping this so people will stop worrying/complaining about Nvidia and Motorola.
Also, IF Moto release ICS with blur and without webtop, would you go for it? I personally would, but i know some of you people love webtop.

Tegra kernal here:
http://nv-tegra.nvidia.com/gitweb/?p=linux-2.6.git
btw another proof:
https://plus.google.com/115049428938715274412/posts/KycR8ZjeUiS

Does this mean full cm7 and MIUI support? Or is it mainly for ICS?
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alistair3149 said:
Tegra kernal here:
http://nv-tegra.nvidia.com/gitweb/?p=linux-2.6.git
btw another proof:
https://plus.google.com/115049428938715274412/posts/KycR8ZjeUiS
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Where do you see any proof? Newest kernel is for 3.2. Btw we need binaries and drivers.

Great news now let's hope they do it in a timely manner
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coolnow said:
Bumping this so people will stop worrying/complaining about Nvidia and Motorola.
Also, IF Moto release ICS with blur and without webtop, would you go for it? I personally would, but i know some of you people love webtop.
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I would as long as it has landscape hdmi mirror on the lapdock.

Yay for hardware acceleration and true cm9!

Magnetox said:
Yay for hardware acceleration and true cm9!
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+10000000000000
With landscape mirroring
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I may be wrong but aren't the drivers and libraries for tegra2 ics already available in AOSP. tegra2 is tegra2 there shouldnt be much difference between xoom and atrix same hardware bigger screen. But I could be off base so dont flame me LOL

nightsbird said:
I may be wrong but aren't the drivers and libraries for tegra2 ics already available in AOSP. tegra2 is tegra2 there shouldnt be much difference between xoom and atrix same hardware bigger screen. But I could be off base so dont flame me LOL
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I think you are partially right, but as you said, the drivers are for the Xoom and every device has unique drivers. It would probably be too difficult and time consuming to use/hack the Xoom's drivers for the Atrix and everything will not be the same as having the actual Atrix files.

Hmm... I figured using xoom.Drivers would make it easy. What about the g2x? Its a phone which may eliminate hassles, with nearly the same specs, save for it not being moto.
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http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra-resources
Is this something we were waiting for? Or we need the source code?
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According to this https://plus.google.com/115049428938715274412/posts/9nb8sajTX18 (see comments after 23 january) nvidia should also publish some "reference code" in early 2012 which would be helpful

Has anyone recieved any news on the Tegra 2 and ICS?

Bigs73 said:
Has anyone recieved any news on the Tegra 2 and ICS?
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Give me a break!!!

Bigs73 said:
Has anyone recieved any news on the Tegra 2 and ICS?
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What the hell, man? You made me think there was real news!