hi everybody , i want to make a question how i tiered to having the answer !!
i want to have a answer for my question !! What is the best android rom (nand or sd ) for games ( like pes 2011 , asphalt 5 , .... ) !!
thanks !!
Any non sense build. Hyper, ultimate, cyanogen, nexus, etc.
yeaah ! but i like sense build like desire z or rafdroid !! thanks for your answer !!
That's the thing. Sense builds take up a lot of ram, including desire hd and 7 builds. They leave you with 180 mb max. But that's only in the aspect of ram. In terms of processing/gpu, they should all perform the same.
ooh ! but with a2sd they will work with my partiton of ext3 !! i will chose my space !! thanks a lot !!
I'm talking about RAM not ROM. RAM is the memory for which apps/software is currently running on the device is placed. ROM the memory for anything installed. E.g. the android rom, bootloader, HSPL, apps, etc.
yeaah ! i agree with you !! but desire z rom such been powerfull !! his quadrant score up to 2800 !!
-.-"
well I guess beliefs and opinions are one thing... and that speed can be considered relative. But the fact is non sense build are immensely faster than sense builds and that quadrant scores, like in my siggy, mean nothing.
Proof? I'm using a captivate right now running cog 4.3, and it gets quadrant scores like 1500 and lower, but it runs buttery smooth, better than even the non sense builds from the hd2, in fact it will even run 720p youtube videos, whilst the last time I tried with my hd2, it wouldn't even load. But anyways you want sense so better you stick with it and you're under an opinion I believe you likely will stick to, due to it being well, your god forgiven opinion, so my talking means nothing.
hh ! i'm Noob ! i proov it ! and i'm sorry !! thanks for your comments and your ideas !! !!
I'm sorry if I came off as rude. And i'll admit it was rude of me to say "god forgiven". It's simply quadrant scores that ticked me off, not you. Hence why my siggy is dedicated to the foolishness of quadrant scores.
But anyways, apart from non sense builds, try a simple desire build. e.g frank's/prj. They're faster than desire hd/z builds, but marginally slower than non sense builds. They offer 210 mb ram at max.
!! thanks you so much !! i will test this roms !!
Related
Hi all,
Since everybody is burning to get an NAND build, mostly for battery and performance improvement, I was just wondering if I could make some crystalmarks to determine wether NAND is better than a class 4 or 6 SD card for running an OS or not.
So now my point is : is there a tool, in WM or Android, to see our phone's ROM memory as an external flash drive with windows? So I can perform the tests?
Thank you very much for helping.
yeah this is the most natural question to ask considering the discussions on NAND port but i have asked it before and do not remember getting a good answer.
If i compare Desire with HD2, same hw more or less....
The score of Quadrant about HD2 with Desire Rom (via Haret) is better then Desire with cooked Rom (Nand).
So, HD2 Nand Rom will be better than HD2 SD Rom????
Cotulla, if you are here can u answer this question?? ;-)
@Threadstarter: Your topic made me think, you already DID the test. So can you probably rename it for not confusing other people? ;-)
ghevin said:
If i compare Desire with HD2, same hw more or less....
The score of Quadrant about HD2 with Desire Rom (via Haret) is better then Desire with cooked Rom (Nand).
So, HD2 Nand Rom will be better than HD2 SD Rom????
Cotulla, if you are here can u answer this question?? ;-)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
false. desire with cooked rom can take up to 1950ish in quadrant, also devs are thinking can reach 2000 easily with higher frequencies; so this two phone will be exactly same when we reach to nand, i think.
65k color can differentiate the graphics performance of course.
actasci said:
false. desire with cooked rom can take up to 1950ish in quadrant, also devs are thinking can reach 2000 easily with higher frequencies; so this two phone will be exactly same when we reach to nand, i think.
65k color can differentiate the graphics performance of course.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sorry, wrong and deleted
actasci said:
false. desire with cooked rom can take up to 1950ish in quadrant, also devs are thinking can reach 2000 easily with higher frequencies; so this two phone will be exactly same when we reach to nand, i think.
65k color can differentiate the graphics performance of course.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've got Desire with DJDroid 1.4 (Rosie Rom). My best score is 1320 (no overclock)
I've got HD2 with Mttc 1.7 (Rosie Rom). My best score is 1580 (no overclock)
This is my experience, it's not a false!
ghevin said:
I've got Desire with DJDroid 1.4 (Rosie Rom). My best score is 1320 (no overclock)
I've got HD2 with Mttc 1.7 (Rosie Rom). My best score is 1580 (no overclock)
This is my experience, it's not a false!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
you should try to flash the new opendesire 4.0.23, or at least install vorkkernel r4. without overclock you can easily see 1800ish with any rom without sense.
I'll try... but i like sense... i compare with sense rom version...
I think NAND build will increase battery life since sd card can be powered off in sleep mode.
so in terms of battery life what kind of improvement we are talking about with NAND port? 20%? 50? any idea?
I am getting acceptable performance when in standby ~1% per hour (much less than that with winmo ~0.4% per hour). i think i am getting worse battery performance when using the phone than winmo. obviously, sd card needs to be accessed constantly to run android and i assume that costs some juice.
In WM, install a program to NAND and try it, clock how long it takes to start and so on then uninstall it and install it to you SD-card and do the same thing. Now you know the difference
d3vilsadvocate said:
@Threadstarter: Your topic made me think, you already DID the test. So can you probably rename it for not confusing other people? ;-)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ok I'll do it.
So, anyone to answer my request?
Why don't ask in Kaiser forums about diferences. HTC kaiser has all android versions, nand and haret about few months ago.
mattc LeoNexus 1.1 using starbase64's setCPU text file
EDIT - Search starbase64's threads for the additional setCPU configuration settings that go with the text file.
Are you using the latest version of quadrant for that test?
That is an old test. I don't even have that build anymore.
Are you using the latest version of quadrant for that test?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
Moon2 said:
Are you using the latest version of quadrant for that test?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm using mattc v1.8 on a data 8gb card. It doesn't even have a class rating on it. So I figure of it's keeping up with a nexus, that's pretty good.
This is as close as it gets.. First is a breakdown of default n1 froyo quadrant score. second is my hd2 clocked at 1190mhz. I believe this is with the storage card mounted.. I find that if you unmount sd, the io score tends to be higher. The CPU score is really the crazy variable/variation between different scores seen.
19 posts in this threads and nobody realise the main point : We have RAM.
Android is loaded from Sd-card, correct, but loaded into RAM.
So why comparing quadrant scores between ram and ram ?
Gain in battery perfomance won't be that much.
phoenixtraveller said:
Hi.
What are people getting on quadrant scores with this (DARKSTONE super-nand-ram rom-IMG) ???
I got 4050. OVER 4000!!!
That is on an Australian HD2 (850mhz with 2.08 radio and magldr 1.11).
and NO OVER CLOCKING AND NO TWEAKS - second boot (first reboot).
Can you make this version compatible with 1536OC kernel or any OC kernel?
THANKS.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
ALSO: anyone tell me how to get Ubuntu working on NAND/MAGLDR?
How difficult are these rom versions. I boot off sd card but am plagued by very poor battery life. Very poor.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
Chris Boyer said:
How difficult are these rom versions. I boot off sd card but am plagued by very poor battery life. Very poor.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
As info...the mods will most likely move this post because I think it is in the wrong forum.
As far as how hard, in my opinion, the NAND versions are not difficult to install if you are used to flashing winmo roms. The other types (zip, clockwork) are a little more advanced. I'm sure I could flash them, but do not see the benefit yet. FutureShocks MIUI has been the best I have used so far. It does not score well in Quandrant (for me) but everything is almost instant to my touch. I love the minor differences of the MIUI interface too.
Chris Boyer said:
How difficult are these rom versions. I boot off sd card but am plagued by very poor battery life. Very poor.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Battery life in almost every nand build is super! As good as in original winmo and in some cases even better.
Tested myself more than a few roms.
Any screenshots?
4050 score means NOTHING.
At least you should attach screenshot from pro version of Quadrant as it shows score per cpu/gpu/io ect. As it's RAM build, there is a chance that Quadrant IO test would also run on RAM, but think it's on NAND resulting in large numbers, but actual data reads would be still NAND, and GPU/CPU score might even be lower then in other builds with 2000 total score.
For example you might have 2 builds, one with 1200 score, one with 1500 score, and it doesn't mean that 1500 is better as it's overall score based on different weight per component score. So you can only say that 1500 is always better then 1200 if that's CPU or GPU score, not total.
bjcolema said:
As info...the mods will most likely move this post because I think it is in the wrong forum.
As far as how hard, in my opinion, the NAND versions are not difficult to install if you are used to flashing winmo roms. The other types (zip, clockwork) are a little more advanced. I'm sure I could flash them, but do not see the benefit yet. FutureShocks MIUI has been the best I have used so far. It does not score well in Quandrant (for me) but everything is almost instant to my touch. I love the minor differences of the MIUI interface too.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah - it was moved here by Mods from other location so correct now. Yes, they are EASY to install and even clockwork/zip are easy. and if you modify flash.cfg you can have BOTH working in harmony easily (just adding in the lines from clockwork's .cfg and not touching ones belonging to ur daf.exe nand etc).
Futureshocks was great for MIUI. was ok quadrant for me - 2800. but not a MIUI guy really - ppc_shift_ has WINDOWS 7 GUI on ANDROID!
BUT: mdjOC1536 - excellent kernel and yet overall: DARKSTONE supernand rules and broke over 4000. EXCELLENT. ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.
Ive got Ubuntu up to desktop too with magldr.
when 1.12 comes out - anyone having upgrade complications etc?
I task28, task29 and ALSO TASK2A BY MTTY USB as I made my own rom to exit "bricked" mode this leaves. Not that hard really.
Darkstone, SuperNAND, 4000 quadrant+ !!!
white-energy said:
Any screenshots?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
For my over 4000?
Yeah... I can do that... Had bad blocks though - over-flashing and bit unstable at first: after 24hrs rom "burnt" in or whatever and working so ill install a shoot-screen app and do.
It doesnt mean THAT much though. Really.
vartp said:
4050 score means NOTHING.
At least you should attach screenshot from pro version of Quadrant as it shows score per cpu/gpu/io ect. As it's RAM build, there is a chance that Quadrant IO test would also run on RAM, but think it's on NAND resulting in large numbers, but actual data reads would be still NAND, and GPU/CPU score might even be lower then in other builds with 2000 total score.
For example you might have 2 builds, one with 1200 score, one with 1500 score, and it doesn't mean that 1500 is better as it's overall score based on different weight per component score. So you can only say that 1500 is always better then 1200 if that's CPU or GPU score, not total.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ok. I was not THAT geed up about it really. It fluctuates anyway: lowest=3600. And using Quadrant STANDARD/FREE I got 4000. got 360ms on Setcpu test pls Smartass. Only at 10% increase. 4000 was WITHOUT any overclocking.
I agree it varies and does not mean much but - well - I also disagree it means NOTHING.
lms1407 said:
Battery life in almost every nand build is super! As good as in original winmo and in some cases even better.
Tested myself more than a few roms.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yep - much more than a few. Any bad blocks/problems? Task2a idea ever come into mind? Can be done - ive made a psuedo-rom to truly clean it and bring back: well - more a method and an edited rom from stock to bypass rsa fail crypto test etc. nothing here on xda much about Task2a/HD2. Anyways:
NAND/battery=great.
MAGLDR/battery=bad=kills it+HEAT I believe. charge problem plus sucks out the LIFE.
Hi, sorry about this lame excuse for OP but apparently I need 10 posts before I post anything on the related forums
Anyway, I'll use this and ask a couple of questions anyway.
I've been using Android on my HD2 since I bought it, first on SD and lately on NAND, in the last flashes my phone appears more sluggish.
Used Desire L from dandiest and while it gets great Quadrant scores (above 2000) it's freaking slow, some Ginger builds I get low scores and phone works faster and smoother, tho I hate it's keyboard.
I've done the task29, that apparently formats the phone, and everything. Radio 2.15, Malgr 1.3
Atm using maesusbuild and still sluggish.
is there anybody out there?
Most Android ROMs for the HD2 have over clocking built into the ROM. Some ROM chefs just provide the overclocking for you and let you decide if you want to overclock. Some ROm chefs have it overclocked already. You have to check to see Wichita is the case with each ROm usually. If the ROM you have sluggish behavior with is not overclockedcalready try slightly overclocking and see if it helps.
T-Macgnolia said:
Most Android ROMs for the HD2 have over clocking built into the ROM. Some ROM chefs just provide the overclocking for you and let you decide if you want to overclock. Some ROm chefs have it overclocked already. You have to check to see Wichita is the case with each ROm usually. If the ROM you have sluggish behavior with is not overclockedcalready try slightly overclocking and see if it helps.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
if by overclocking you mean messing with SetCpu and increase it's frequency, yep that is weird, for instance, with dandiest Rom I can get the cpu up to 1.5ghz and get 2500 score on quadrant, but playing with it just feels sluggish, on the other hand some ginger roms with 1600 score appear faster.
I know it's weird, maybe an app process killer helps?
Mods please remove this post.
Yes I am talking about SETCPU when I say overclocking. To be honest I have never messed with any testing software to get quadrant scores and the such. But I have read several threads where members get into heated descussions on the reliability of quadrant scores cause as you well know you can get lower quadrant scores than other devices or ROMs but still experience faster and smoother operations than the devices or ROMs with higher quadrant scores. You see as we all know the processor(CPU) is what actually responsible for the speed and smoothness of the operation of the device at its core. But it also depends on how the sofware intractable with the CPU as to the smoothness of operation as well. There for you will get some ROMs that are smooth and fast and some ROMs that are not as smooth and fast. With Android it also has alot Toronto with the kernel too, sometimes changing or modifying the kernel can help with performance. Please don't ask me about how to do this with the kernel though as I am still learning myself. Also yes a good task killer can help some.
sorry, just to get 10 posts
bumpity bump
bumpity bump
well just to point out. Quadrant is nothing more than a trophy wife. It's only there to show off what may not exist. If it runs smooth, then use it.
Also desire hd and z builds, you can't expect them to run smooth like a gingerbread build, or desire build, it's just like that.
Edit: You can just install another keyboard if you like. A keyboard similar to HTC's own is HTC IME mod. Search it up and you'll find it.
hi again..
Kailkti said:
well just to point out. Quadrant is nothing more than a trophy wife. It's only there to show off what may not exist. If it runs smooth, then use it.
Also desire hd and z builds, you can't expect them to run smooth like a gingerbread build, or desire build, it's just like that.
Edit: You can just install another keyboard if you like. A keyboard similar to HTC's own is HTC IME mod. Search it up and you'll find it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I may try a ginger build and a different keyboard.
Now I'm having a problem, bought a 16gb adata card and last night started getting some errors, took it out and ran h2testw and it worked ok, can it be the rom?
thx for the tip
if I install with CWM can I change the keyboard inside the zip?
Iunno, i'm not familiar with building roms and such. Anyways it doesn't hurt to just install the keyboard after the rom is booted.
For the sd card, try format it will panasonic formatter, full format btw.
Hi! i made a benchmark on the hd2 both with android froyo and ics hwa and i noticed that the rom with the higest point is the froyo one! i got 1100 for the ics and ~1400 for the froyo one, wich beated also the nexus s.
this is really strange because the gaming performances of froyo are terrible (i had ~2-3 fps with gta3), and it's also slow with the sense 2 homescreen management.
is this normal? thanks
cuzzo94 said:
Hi! i made a benchmark on the hd2 both with android froyo and ics hwa and i noticed that the rom with the higest point is the froyo one! i got 1100 for the ics and ~1400 for the froyo one, wich beated also the nexus s.
this is really strange because the gaming performances of froyo are terrible (i had ~2-3 fps with gta3), and it's also slow with the sense 2 homescreen management.
is this normal? thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Were both ROMs nand or SD? Cause the difference could be in the io speeds. You should post screen shots of both results
Sent from my HTC HD2 using Tapatalk
Yes it's normal because the phone devotes more resources to hwa, which is what makes your games fast. Phones get relatively lower quadrant score on ics. So it's not accurate to compare it if you changed os version. If you want, you can easily boost the score by ~1000 by installing data2sd, but you need a good SD card to feel the difference yourself.
cuzzo94 said:
Hi! i made a benchmark on the hd2 both with android froyo and ics hwa and i noticed that the rom with the higest point is the froyo one! i got 1100 for the ics and ~1400 for the froyo one, wich beated also the nexus s.
this is really strange because the gaming performances of froyo are terrible (i had ~2-3 fps with gta3), and it's also slow with the sense 2 homescreen management.
is this normal? thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Really?! Just goes to show, benchmarks aren't a valid way of proving speed. Perhaps it is as hengsheng120 said due to the HWA or something. Either way, ICS is definitely faster than Froyo.
yes as said, for me too ics is faster thank froyo, i just wasn't sure of the reason of this gap.
i don't think that it wold make any difference installing data2sd because of my old sd.
i agree with who thinks that hwa is making this difference, and that is an invalid information to compare OS's. ics is certainly faster with scrolling (the web browsing it's awesome) and 3d.
thank you all and sorry for my english XD
cuzzo94 said:
yes as said, for me too ics is faster thank froyo, i just wasn't sure of the reason of this gap.
i don't think that it wold make any difference installing data2sd because of my old sd.
i agree with who thinks that hwa is making this difference, and that is an invalid information to compare OS's. ics is certainly faster with scrolling (the web browsing it's awesome) and 3d.
thank you all and sorry for my english XD
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Actually, your English is pretty good. Yeah, even if I could get a score of 10000 on Froyo I'd never consider ditching ICS for it
yes while using them you can clearly see that ics beats froyo all the way XD
I have a question mainly for developpers.
Playing around with severals ICS CM9 ROMS, I noticed big differences in Antutu RAM benchmark score.
A first family of ROM reach 330 in RAM score (CM9 nightlies, ...)
A second family of ROM reach 530 in RAM score (CM9ight,iCyanogen).
This is a huge difference.
I've done some tests, and the difference don't come from kernel, from build.prop, from framework.
So the question is : from what does it come ?... some libs ?...
Thank you to developpers that read me ... any ideas ???
As a user and not developer, there is no problem with consuming more RAM.... as long as the Rom... is ruining smooth and fast...
Jelly bean uses even more RAM than ICS
Sent from my HTC HD2 using Tapatalk 2