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vibrant 4g?

hey i hear vibrant 4g got released today, what do people think about it?
it has stock froyo and from what i hear is that it has no issues...kinda thinkin bout switchin to tmo's 4g even though its not really 4g, but its faster than sprint where i live
what you guys think?

Wait for Galaxy S II. T-Mobile was the first carrier they announced.

Moto Atrix (Dual C) vs Epic

Just watched a demo of the MOTO Atrix dual core....wow the scrolling is horrible. Side by side with the Epic, the differences are HUGE! It's hard not to smile knowing that the EPIC still dominates even dual core offerings.
I noticed it's an ATT "4G" phone, so after going to ATT site and clicking their 4G link, it took me to a map of blue colored coverage, which oddly enough looks EXACTLY like their 3G coverage. Upon further examination, that's EXACTLY what they show you, the 3G coverage. There are but a small handful of cities that actually implement TMOs HSPA+ '4G'. Just like apple, att using their 'full of ****' marketing practices. It's really sad how much $ apple and att has made selling inferior hardware and service for twice that of which I pay for the Epic on Sprint.
I have 2 Epics, with unlimited everything (except the landline 1500min pool), and both phones plans combined is cheaper than 1 iphone with unlimited everything, except the 4GB worth of data. And that's 3G data!
Man that's so sad. I can't believe how many fools there are out there.
Samsung can't get Froyo right to save their life, but even the Eclair Epic is a better choice than the Atrix.

Atrix makes sammiches tho

Atrix? Meh.

NoSoMo said:
Just watched a demo of the MOTO Atrix dual core....wow the scrolling is horrible. Side by side with the Epic, the differences are HUGE! It's hard not to smile knowing that the EPIC still dominates even dual core offerings.
I noticed it's an ATT "4G" phone, so after going to ATT site and clicking their 4G link, it took me to a map of blue colored coverage, which oddly enough looks EXACTLY like their 3G coverage. Upon further examination, that's EXACTLY what they show you, the 3G coverage. There are but a small handful of cities that actually implement TMOs HSPA+ '4G'. Just like apple, att using their 'full of ****' marketing practices. It's really sad how much $ apple and att has made selling inferior hardware and service for twice that of which I pay for the Epic on Sprint.
I have 2 Epics, with unlimited everything (except the landline 1500min pool), and both phones plans combined is cheaper than 1 iphone with unlimited everything, except the 4GB worth of data. And that's 3G data!
Man that's so sad. I can't believe how many fools there are out there.
Samsung can't get Froyo right to save their life, but even the Eclair Epic is a better choice than the Atrix.
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i have both the epic and the atrix
the epic has its winning points and the atrix has its also
the att 4g coverage is 3x better then sprint service in phoenix
its all personal opinion of what people think
i love the atrix 4g and dont really care for the epic because i live in a blind spot but i love the work that is done with the roms

Good.luck with the custom kernels on the atrix.
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Atrix > Epic > Evo
Multi-cores are the future, lets not have a redundant debate on how multi-cores aren't useful until apps and games are optimized for them, we all know how that ended up when PC's went multi-core; And lets not be like the EVO folks who were in denial when the Epic came out.

brian2220 said:
i have both the epic and the atrix
the epic has its winning points and the atrix has its also
the att 4g coverage is 3x better then sprint service in phoenix
its all personal opinion of what people think
i love the atrix 4g and dont really care for the epic because i live in a blind spot but i love the work that is done with the roms
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That I agree about the service here... T mobile 3G is faster than our 3G...
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ghostrid3r said:
Atrix > Epic > Evo
Multi-cores are the future, lets not have a redundant debate on how multi-cores aren't useful until apps and games are optimized for them, we all know how that ended up when PC's went multi-core; And lets not be like the EVO folks who were in denial when the Epic came out.
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i am in denial but I cant wait till cm7 gets here for my girls phone

My friend who I have known for 8 years bought the Atrix with the Dock and everything spending $500+. Personally, I would have not invested so much in a device that is not going to easy to make custom kernel's for. Matter of fact, its a locked boot loader which means you are screwed. Even Cyanogen himself said today that he would support the device had it not been for that fact. Still, its kinda cool, but makes developing for it a lot ( LOT ) harder than it should be.
Yet they make the XOOM developer friendly. Go figure, why would they not choose this with the phone? Do we have the provider to blame? Is it what they want for their phone systems, or are we just being put to a test to see how far developers can push the envelope with the newest phones to make custom roms/kernels?

heathmcabee said:
My friend who I have known for 8 years bought the Atrix with the Dock and everything spending $500+. Personally, I would have not invested so much in a device that is not going to easy to make custom kernel's for. Matter of fact, its a locked boot loader which means you are screwed. Even Cyanogen himself said today that he would support the device had it not been for that fact. Still, its kinda cool, but makes developing for it a lot ( LOT ) harder than it should be.
Yet they make the XOOM developer friendly. Go figure, why would they not choose this with the phone? Do we have the provider to blame? Is it what they want for their phone systems, or are we just being put to a test to see how far developers can push the envelope with the newest phones to make custom roms/kernels?
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Not the first moto device with a locked boot loader, anything and everything is hackable. Period.
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heathmcabee said:
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Yet they make the XOOM developer friendly. Go figure, why would they not choose this with the phone? Do we have the provider to blame? Is it what they want for their phone systems, or are we just being put to a test to see how far developers can push the envelope with the newest phones to make custom roms/kernels?
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XOOM is a "flagship device" all of google's flagship devices are the first to ship with the OS and are VERY developer friendly so far the list is G1,Droid,Nexus 1, Nexus S, XOOM

Honestly, I can not stand AT&T. They have the same pricing as Verizon, yet they're inferior (network wise) to Sprint. The only reason they had a chance in the mobile market industry is because of the iPhone (which I still prefer Android over).
Now that Verizon has iPhone, ATT will probably be bought out by another carrier, or something weird.

brian2220 said:
i have both the epic and the atrix
the epic has its winning points and the atrix has its also
the att 4g coverage is 3x better then sprint service in phoenix
its all personal opinion of what people think
i love the atrix 4g and dont really care for the epic because i live in a blind spot but i love the work that is done with the roms
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LOL -- ATT....did someone just defend ATTs service???
Sprint's CLEAR division has LTE in Phoenix running 100Mb down and peak 47Mb uploads.........ATT probably runs their whole network off of one of the LTE connections.
There will always be someone who lives in a dead zone. WiMax ins't there yet, but between Sprint and Verizon's networks, Phoenix couldn't be covered any better. Roms allow for forced roam, which I had on my WinMo 6.5 phone.....and could switch between networks and roam 3G if I had a Sprint issue. It made for the most robust phone I've ever seen anyone in possession of (TP2 was quad band).

dcowboys2184 said:
That I agree about the service here... T mobile 3G is faster than our 3G...
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Their 'enhanced' 3G is quite fast....Got over 5Mb on my sisters Samsung Tab sitting 100ft in front of the tower....2Mb up. Damn't Sprint, unlock our WiMax UPLOAD already.......bandwidth is clearly available up and down, it won't do jack to the network if they let us full duplex. I mean, it's a phone..... I couldn't imagine FB pic uploads swamping the network with just a fraction of the HD YouTube streaming

Overstew said:
Honestly, I can not stand AT&T. They have the same pricing as Verizon, yet they're inferior (network wise) to Sprint. The only reason they had a chance in the mobile market industry is because of the iPhone (which I still prefer Android over).
Now that Verizon has iPhone, ATT will probably be bought out by another carrier, or something weird.
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Fck att,i hope they go under.Their costumer support is the worst,when I had iphone 3gs they acted like they were doing me a favor by me staying with them,lol.
I had tmobile and sprint since then and both of these carriers are light years ahead in terms of everything,dont know about verizon but I havent heard nothing bad about them.

lviv73 said:
Fck att,i hope they go under.Their costumer support is the worst,when I had iphone 3gs they acted like they were doing me a favor by me staying with them,lol.
I had tmobile and sprint since then and both of these carriers are light years ahead in terms of everything,dont know about verizon but I havent heard nothing bad about them.
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sprints customer service in stores sucks big time **** and thats another reason why i left.
some of the employees are just braindead and dont what is right or left
att and verizon are the best right now and because they know what they are doing and thats why they are so big
sprints barely getting its stupid company ass back in gear after all the years it was behind and watch it fall back down soon

brian2220 said:
sprints customer service in stores sucks big time **** and thats another reason why i left.
some of the employees are just braindead and dont what is right or left
att and verizon are the best right now and because they know what they are doing and thats why they are so big
sprints barely getting its stupid company ass back in gear after all the years it was behind and watch it fall back down soon
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Almost all store employees are dumb at any carrier.
What counts for sprint and tmobile is that they dont disconnect your service if you dont pay wkthing 2-3 days.I can be 2 weeks late with sprint and not get charged extra and not even have a warning from sprint.
Plus on sprint and tmobile I can download 80gb of movies a month,they dont have data cap.So if you use your phone as your primary internet then tmo and sprint is only choices.
I just wish I dint leave tmobile for sprint because speed was way faster on tmobile,and my promised sprint's 4g never came.

Yeah your ridge about Tue paying the.bill late. I've been late before and they don't even care.
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musclehead84 said:
Yeah your ridge about Tue paying the.bill late. I've been late before and they don't even care.
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Lol at swype fail . Jk
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The atrix is a far more powerful device, but the first true dual cores will be powered by omap4 and perhaps 3rd Gen snapdragons or tegra3's. That's when it all really begins.

What's next?

This is for those who are eligible for an upgrade or otherwise changing in the next few months. Are you -
1. going to stay with Sprint?
2. moving to a different carrier because Sprint is not getting the phone you want?
3. What's your next phone?
I like the Nexus S but its not dual core. I've seen the comparisons, its better than the Evo, but not as good as the Galaxy S 2 which is the one to beat. Wish it was on Sprint. AT&T/TMob are out of the question, it has to be Sprint/Verizon for me.

Why not T-Mobile? Coverage isn't good in tour area?
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ECrispy said:
This is for those who are eligible for an upgrade or otherwise changing in the next few months. Are you -
1. going to stay with Sprint?
2. moving to a different carrier because Sprint is not getting the phone you want?
3. What's your next phone?
I like the Nexus S but its not dual core. I've seen the comparisons, its better than the Evo, but not as good as the Galaxy S 2 which is the one to beat. Wish it was on Sprint. AT&T/TMob are out of the question, it has to be Sprint/Verizon for me.
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What's wrong with the Evo 3D?
It'll be the most powerful phone out at release...

No idea, going to see what all of the other carriers have. Just not that pumped about the Evo 3D. I wish the Nexus S had better specs as well.

gman8966 said:
No idea, going to see what all of the other carriers have. Just not that pumped about the Evo 3D. I wish the Nexus S had better specs as well.
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What's wrong with the Evo 3d?

Award Tour said:
Why not T-Mobile? Coverage isn't good in tour area?
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Exactly.
AT&T gets no signal at all in my apt (so same for TMobile)
Sprint gets 1-2 bars
Verizon is 5.

Evo 3d and Galaxy S2 are pretty comparable, both are 1.2ghz dual core, who knows which phone has the better battery life.
I'll take Sense over TouchWiz allways, but at the end of the day I'll end up running MIUI anyway.
Galaxy has a better screen, is a lot slimmer and lighter, and has 16/32 internal vs 1/4 on the Evo - that makes a big difference.
Since I don't want or need a gimmick like 3d, I'd rather have the Galaxy, all other things being equal.

i dunno right now.
id like to get a evo 3d and the view tablet but im not going to until they get there network issues fixed. then the lose of the 4info and espn txt services have me really questioning if the time has finally come to change carriers.

Galaxy s2 coming to Verizon this summer

Galaxy s2 coming to Verizon soon supposedly.
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/08/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-headed-to-verizon-in-july/
EDIT: Not happening.
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It better. July is my Birthday and I'd be buying one on release day.

Still no word on LTE or not though

saps said:
Still no word on LTE or not though
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No LTE and no thanks. LTE and I'll be getting one.

I dont care, as long as it comes put.
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imnuts said:
No LTE and no thanks. LTE and I'll be getting one.
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This... SGSIII or bust.
or some other unreleased super phone

imnuts said:
No LTE and no thanks. LTE and I'll be getting one.
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Yeah likely same here

Looks like VZW is debunking the rumor of a July release
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-rumored-possibly-july-launch-verizon

jpricesd said:
Looks like VZW is debunking the rumor of a July release
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-rumored-possibly-july-launch-verizon
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That sucks but also not surprising. Honestly I originally thought the SGS2 wouldn't drop for verizon till september. Then again I'm still content with this fasc as is, at 1.5ghz already, and in cm7 and I can wait
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Speaking of LTE I saw this article for 4G download speeds on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution
When it said 100Mbps I honestly puked in excitement then I started thinking why aren't the phones showing these fast of speeds?

Because the frequency band they are using currently...lte technology benefits exponentially on wider frequencies...fastest they can get on 5ghz is around 25mbps
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Here is a link to the rumored leaked spec sheet.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-Function_id5535
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The function is what i'm waiting for before I upgrade but I want them to do better on the price than they did on the Droid Charge

What motivates you guys to give money to either samsung or verizon after the the crap they've pulled with the fascinate?
Ill type it twice because your memory must be really short.
What motivates you guys to give money to either samsung or verizon after the the crap they've pulled with the fascinate?

I cannot wait to get the SGSII my locked down X is killing me. It'll be a great sitting next to my fascinate.

Smeed said:
What motivates you guys to give money to either samsung or verizon after the the crap they've pulled with the fascinate?
Ill type it twice because your memory must be really short.
What motivates you guys to give money to either samsung or verizon after the the crap they've pulled with the fascinate?
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Because a phone is a phone. If it does what it is supposed to do, why complain? We buy phones for what they do; whatever they'll be capable of later after updates is just a plus.
Bow chika wah wah

Why stick with Verizon? Because they're still by far the best nationwide carrier. Let's compare:
Sprint: Good satisfaction ratings, reliable network, lower prices. But their coverage isn't perfect, and they have a 4G network that's already outdated.
T-Mobile: Generally good satisfaction ratings, low prices. But like Sprint, their coverage is sub-par. Fake 4G (HSPA+) network, and doesn't even plan to develop a real 4G network for a few years. Likely will soon be part of AT&T.
AT&T: Terrible satisfaction ratings; the only carrier that's actually getting worse. Unreliable network. Has begun work on an actual 4G network (despite advertising HSPA+ as 4G like T-Mobile), but it's not active anywhere yet. Oh, and if you want to talk about mistreating Android: did you know that until just last month they didn't allow sideloading of apps?
Verizon: Has the widest-ranging, most reliable network. Tops consumer satisfaction ratings year after year (though Sprint is catching up). Has the fastest and most advanced (in both technology and deployment) 4G network, by far. And believe it or not, Verizon actually tends to be a bit more customer-friendly than other carriers. For example: they were the first to prorate early termination fees, and while they will eventually have capped data plans they've also said they'll roll out shared family data plans, something nobody else has talked about.
The consumer satisfaction ratings I'm citing, by the way, are Consumer Reports' -- you could probably find them via some Googling.

What motivates you guys to give money to either samsung or verizon after the the crap they've pulled with the fascinate?
Ill type it twice because your memory must be really short.
What motivates you guys to give money to either samsung or verizon after the the crap they've pulled with the fascinate?
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Why?
1 look at our options. Inferior screens across the board. Singlecored great phones for now, but what about next year. Overall design, few other phones are as sleek.
2 community development. Other than the nexus series or og droid, what other phone has been this great for customizing. Yes I know the driver issues are crap, but have you ever seen a bricked sgs without physical damage?
3 verizon for much of the country is the only choice. I'm not happy about it but there are simply no other options for some. If I found out tmo worked in my area I would drop verizon today.
4 and last, it seems manufactures are learning. samsung donating a sgs2 to the cyan team might just might indicate a reversal in previous ways of thinking.
If nothing else, it comes back to what other choice is there. Name any other option and there is a list of cons to go with it.
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rand4ll said:
Because the frequency band they are using currently...lte technology benefits exponentially on wider frequencies...fastest they can get on 5ghz is around 25mbps
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Wrong! We've hit 57mbps. Reason why it'll be slower speeds is because it will be "real world" with multiple users as apposed to 1 user testing the max speeds. Also they are going to cap the data throughput.

Thinking about abandoning my SGS2 on ATT for Sprint

Any drawbacks to the Epic 4G compared to an ATT SGS2? I'm sick of my phone, which is capable of 18Mbit, only performing at 1.5Mbit on AT&T's crappy network. I'm planning to pay the ungodly $325 cancellation feel, and selling the phone on ebay. Any reason I shouldn't???

Yeah, sprints network is not that great either. I guess it depends on where you live. The Sprint plans price is nice though, and they are going to have LTE by 2013, with new phones to work with it by summer 2012.

motocrossmann said:
Any drawbacks to the Epic 4G compared to an ATT SGS2? I'm sick of my phone, which is capable of 18Mbit, only performing at 1.5Mbit on AT&T's crappy network. I'm planning to pay the ungodly $325 cancellation feel, and selling the phone on ebay. Any reason I shouldn't???
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Are you sure you don't mean the Epic 4G touch? Because this is last years phone. Going from a 1.2 GHz dual core phone to a single core 1 GHz phone with less support would be pretty stupid lol. You may want to ask people at the Epic 4g Touch forum about signal stength.
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motocrossmann said:
Any drawbacks to the Epic 4G compared to an ATT SGS2? I'm sick of my phone, which is capable of 18Mbit, only performing at 1.5Mbit on AT&T's crappy network. I'm planning to pay the ungodly $325 cancellation feel, and selling the phone on ebay. Any reason I shouldn't???
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Are you talking about the keyboarded one (SGS1 based, this forums device) or the touch only one (SGS2 based)

Oops! Wrong device!!! lol. Thanks guys.