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[Q] Should I buy the HD2? Jan 11

Hi guys.
i know some people will say this has been asked before, but i am posting from the date from today.
I want to buy a HD2, but i don't know whether it is the right time...
Because now it has the success of WP7 and Android, I'm wondering if ti is still worth it. The hardware seems abit old now, but it is essentially the same as a HD7.
ATM, i have a TG01, (snapdragon 1GHz WINMO, resistive) So i'm experienced with the speed But however, in our forum, there are soo few active members and cooks - not much support. the resistive touchscreen and Also the lack of RAM is driving me insane. (only 55mb on boot with sense 2.5 + winmo 6.5.x) So one reason of the HD2 is the RAM and the screen... On the other hand i have a tab. It isnt just mine specifically it is my family's. So i dont get to use it all the time and personalize it. (the orange san francisco isnt mine anymore btw, i gave it to my brother)
So i only really have a TG01. I have been using Winmo for a long time, but now everyone is making the switch to Android. So if i get the HD2, will i have good battery life performance etc. I will probs be using WP7 and Android. Is WP7 working perfectly yet? i know we can access the live sevices but will microsoft be continually be patching it? All my friends are using android.. should i use android on the HD2 or just get an android device?
And the hardware... do you think it is still powerful enough? how much longer will the community last for? When i got my Tg01, within 3 months the XDA forum was empty! they all sold and got an Android device or HD2.
So i get it know will the timing be right? Will devs still be cooking for WM and upgrading Android etc? Or will they move on? Because i see alot of members selling their HD2 for a DHD or other android devices. I dont think i can afford a DHD...
I'm really stuck here... I don't know if i should get the device or not... Should i wait? Or wait for what device? I know when the dual cores come out, they will be far too expensive!
Where can i get a cheap HD2 from? Can any one point me to one £150-£180?
Thank you to all who reply!

Quite a few questions there, no?
First of all, HD2 is still on par with most devices on the market. In other words, hardware-wise, no issue. My unit was bought at introduction time, it´s doing what it should without any problem since more than 15 months now.
That is quite impressive, I´d say. But the very age of the model, as of today, is no sign that it´s outdated.
As far as I know, TG01 was never on par with HD2, even if it comes with a similar CPU. However, I don´t think there is a massive difference.
The key difference is the capability of using multiple OS platforms, and you already described all other points which are worth mentioning.
One thing is clear, however: The WinMo threads in the HD2 forums have become a bit quiet, since there are only few updates for WinMo and Sense these days, so no need and options for chefs to re-do what they greatly did in the past.N Also, tweaking and modding has slowed down a bit.
Clearly, the Android threads in the HD2 section are quite busy, and WP7 to some extent, too.
Returning to the very age of the model, it is natural that many people, chefs and users, move on. Windows Phone Classic may be a dead end, who knows. Windows Phone 7 might be a failure for Microsoft, who knows. The fun part is that with an HD2, you can use all of them.
My guess is that there will be quite some development for HD2 Android solutions in the coming 6 to 12 months, steadily fading to small activities over the time. Also, WP7 has quite an impact inside the HD2 user community, but I believe there are certain limits.
Once newer, much stronger hardware specifications will become upscale smartphone mainstream, most users will change. But remember, there are not too many people willing to spend €500+ every 12 months - one more reason to stick with an HD2 once you bought it and you´re fine with it.
You most probably will find used units on ebay or such at your target price.
I think if you really want to play around with things a bit, you won´t be disappointed. But, if you are more a casual user, I don´t know what to recommend.
Myself, I think I will stick to my HD2 for another year or so - this will set a new record, to be honest. But I am perfectly fine with that great device. And as of now, I am completely fine with WinMo 6.5/Sense; for the fun of it, WP7 from time to time. I don´t like Android, at least not the current versions, but I am extremely happy my device gave me the opportunity to try all options at no extra cost.

To be honest with you, I haven't read anything past "...success of"
But It's better that you wait till MS's update and see what happens then.
That's if you want WP7, but if you want Android its HD2 is currently awesome at Android

tictac0566 said:
Quite a few questions there, no?
First of all, HD2 is still on par with most devices on the market. In other words, hardware-wise, no issue. My unit was bought at introduction time, it´s doing what it should without any problem since more than 15 months now.
That is quite impressive, I´d say. But the very age of the model, as of today, is no sign that it´s outdated.
As far as I know, TG01 was never on par with HD2, even if it comes with a similar CPU. However, I don´t think there is a massive difference.
The key difference is the capability of using multiple OS platforms, and you already described all other points which are worth mentioning.
One thing is clear, however: The WinMo threads in the HD2 forums have become a bit quiet, since there are only few updates for WinMo and Sense these days, so no need and options for chefs to re-do what they greatly did in the past.N Also, tweaking and modding has slowed down a bit.
Clearly, the Android threads in the HD2 section are quite busy, and WP7 to some extent, too.
Returning to the very age of the model, it is natural that many people, chefs and users, move on. Windows Phone Classic may be a dead end, who knows. Windows Phone 7 might be a failure for Microsoft, who knows. The fun part is that with an HD2, you can use all of them.
My guess is that there will be quite some development for HD2 Android solutions in the coming 6 to 12 months, steadily fading to small activities over the time. Also, WP7 has quite an impact inside the HD2 user community, but I believe there are certain limits.
Once newer, much stronger hardware specifications will become upscale smartphone mainstream, most users will change. But remember, there are not too many people willing to spend €500+ every 12 months - one more reason to stick with an HD2 once you bought it and you´re fine with it.
You most probably will find used units on ebay or such at your target price.
I think if you really want to play around with things a bit, you won´t be disappointed. But, if you are more a casual user, I don´t know what to recommend.
Myself, I think I will stick to my HD2 for another year or so - this will set a new record, to be honest. But I am perfectly fine with that great device. And as of now, I am completely fine with WinMo 6.5/Sense; for the fun of it, WP7 from time to time. I don´t like Android, at least not the current versions, but I am extremely happy my device gave me the opportunity to try all options at no extra cost.
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Thanks for the reply man! Yeh the TG01 is no match for the HD2. The only reson i got it is because it was a bargain; £150 PayG at Orange UK (Feb 2010) Presumably because it was a poor device in terms of software. I would consider myself a flash junkie. I am constantly trying to find the best ROM for speed, stability and RAM. (as the stock ROMs were really bad!) However , nowadays I'm too busy to be doing all that. I have exams and things going on, and i can't put up with the unstability of my TG01. I want to get a HD2, but keep it on a WP7 Rom, or Android. Then i can switch back and forth. Or if i want,
Winmo 6.5. I won't have to keep on reflashin, as these are pretty much stablw right? The HD2 seems like the ideal device for being cheap and flexibility. Yeh i agree too, the hardware is on par with todays tech. My only concern is the dual cores arriving, but i won't be able to afford them anyway!
Now, my only other problem is battery life... I have mixed reviews on this. Some say it is good, others say it is bad. Can someone please be honest and state what it is? Is battery life better on WM+Sense, WP7 or Android? Because on my TG01 has crap battery; it is only 1000mah powering a 4.1 inch 1ghz device. I'm sick of charging my phone every night.
So if i buy an extended battery, it would solve my problems? Because i read somewhere that Android will not support extended batteries?! Is this also true with WP7?
Thanks man for the time for replying!

Power consumption is something massively individual.
I got used to turn off Wlan and automatic data downloads (not only, but also because I don´t have a data flatrate) off, an easy step in each OS.
My worst experience was with Android (which sucked energy like hell, but there were strong improvements), while WinMo/Sense and WP7 are now on par (as an "average" user with some phone calls, some text messages, and some limited surfing, some offline navigation, too) for me - I charge every second day. On vacation (much less of above mentioned usage) it´s even good for 4 days.
But then again, if you´re also gaming, take long-time internet surfing sessions and such, you´ll be charging an HD2 every day, too.
Btw, dual boot only works with WinMo 6.5 and Android (as you can install the latter on your SD card), means you would have to re-flash to switch between WP7 and Android or between WinMo 6.5 and WP7. Then again, the flashing process is a matter of a couple of minutes, and if you use different SD cards, the setup is done quite quickly...
EDIT: Just forgot, the enhanced battery. It won´t work under Android or WP7, when I understand various threads correctly... but would have to check that...

tictac0566 said:
Power consumption is something massively individual.
I got used to turn off Wlan and automatic data downloads (not only, but also because I don´t have a data flatrate) off, an easy step in each OS.
My worst experience was with Android (which sucked energy like hell, but there were strong improvements), while WinMo/Sense and WP7 are now on par (as an "average" user with some phone calls, some text messages, and some limited surfing, some offline navigation, too) for me - I charge every second day. On vacation (much less of above mentioned usage) it´s even good for 4 days. f
But then again, if you´re also gaming, take long-time internet surfing sessions and such, you´ll be charging an HD2 every day, too.
Btw, dual boot only works with WinMo 6.5 and Android (as you can install the latter on your SD card), means you would have to re-flash to switch between WP7 and Android or between WinMo 6.5 and WP7. Then again, the flashing process is a matter of a couple of minutes, and if you use different SD cards, the setup is done quite quickly...
EDIT: Just forgot, the enhanced battery. It won´t work under Android or WP7, when I understand various threads correctly... but would have to check that...
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Thanks alot my friend i think it pretty much sloves my problem. on my tg01 with sense and wm6.5 battery lasted 2 hrs with heavy wifi usage on opera. this is why i had to go 'old school' with touchflo 3d and wm6.1 fkr battery performance. so the hd2 battery is better i read somewhere that some extended batteries work with the hd2 (i think the official ones ddont work) any way thanks alot man, you've made me really happy, im trying get one cheap now, just need to save up a bit more...
Im still open to suggestions from other users on their opinions

believe me friend,hd2 is best mobile ever created.2 of my friends have hd7 and DHD,both of them keeps looking at my hd2 for what it can do!!the only + point on their device is that the screen of both the handsets is better than hd2..but it dnt matters..also,it is half the price of both of them.
so i suggest you to close your eyes and get an hd2..hehe

that is whole lot of words there...
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olyloh6696 said:
Thanks for the reply man! Yeh the TG01 is no match for the HD2. The only reson i got it is because it was a bargain; £150 PayG at Orange UK (Feb 2010) Presumably because it was a poor device in terms of software. I would consider myself a flash junkie. I am constantly trying to find the best ROM for speed, stability and RAM. (as the stock ROMs were really bad!) However , nowadays I'm too busy to be doing all that. I have exams and things going on, and i can't put up with the unstability of my TG01. I want to get a HD2, but keep it on a WP7 Rom, or Android. Then i can switch back and forth. Or if i want,
Winmo 6.5. I won't have to keep on reflashin, as these are pretty much stablw right? The HD2 seems like the ideal device for being cheap and flexibility. Yeh i agree too, the hardware is on par with todays tech. My only concern is the dual cores arriving, but i won't be able to afford them anyway!
Now, my only other problem is battery life... I have mixed reviews on this. Some say it is good, others say it is bad. Can someone please be honest and state what it is? Is battery life better on WM+Sense, WP7 or Android? Because on my TG01 has crap battery; it is only 1000mah powering a 4.1 inch 1ghz device. I'm sick of charging my phone every night.
So if i buy an extended battery, it would solve my problems? Because i read somewhere that Android will not support extended batteries?! Is this also true with WP7?
Thanks man for the time for replying!
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The hd2 will take a lot of time and effort to get it working the way you want, keep that in mind. Battery life on the android and wp7 ports are not nearly as good as a native device, and it will take some work getting the battery to a manageable level. Also, getting wp7 working properly is getting much harder to set up with the problems unlocking it and the fact that you have to call microsoft and lie to them about what phone you have to get an activation code, which recently microsoft has been catching on and is now usually requesting a hd7 imei and proof of purchase... plus who knows what will happen when they update.
If I were you, I would save up your money until the next generation of phones comes out and get something then, cause odds are most major devs will move on when better devices come out. They've already been developing the hd2 for over a year, and while at this point the hardware is still top of the line, soon it will not be. Many HD2 owners do not want to admit that fact and they claim the hd2 runs android as good as a native phone with as good of battery life, but that's just not true. The HD2 is a great phone for the fact that it can run multiple os's, and you can dual boot wp7 on nand with android on sd and no other phone can do that... and I wouldn't trade my hd2 for anything right now because I like running 2 OS's on my phone... but when new hardware comes that will change. And the hd2 doesn't run wp7 or android as good as native devices.
So it's up to you and what you want. If you have a lot of spare time to tinker and get things working well, then it can be a great phone... but if you want a phone that will work good out of the box or just want to run one os really well, go for a native android or wp7 phone. Like I said... I would save up money for a few months and see whats out then once you have some more money saved up or can sign a contract with a carrier to get a cheaper top of the line phone.

zarathustrax said:
The hd2 will take a lot of time and effort to get it working the way you want, keep that in mind. Battery life on the android and wp7 ports are not nearly as good as a native device, and it will take some work getting the battery to a manageable level. Also, getting wp7 working properly is getting much harder to set up with the problems unlocking it and the fact that you have to call microsoft and lie to them about what phone you have to get an activation code, which recently microsoft has been catching on and is now usually requesting a hd7 imei and proof of purchase... plus who knows what will happen when they update.
If I were you, I would save up your money until the next generation of phones comes out and get something then, cause odds are most major devs will move on when better devices come out. They've already been developing the hd2 for over a year, and while at this point the hardware is still top of the line, soon it will not be. Many HD2 owners do not want to admit that fact and they claim the hd2 runs android as good as a native phone with as good of battery life, but that's just not true. The HD2 is a great phone for the fact that it can run multiple os's, and you can dual boot wp7 on nand with android on sd and no other phone can do that... and I wouldn't trade my hd2 for anything right now because I like running 2 OS's on my phone... but when new hardware comes that will change. And the hd2 doesn't run wp7 or android as good as native devices.
So it's up to you and what you want. If you have a lot of spare time to tinker and get things working well, then it can be a great phone... but if you want a phone that will work good out of the box or just want to run one os really well, go for a native android or wp7 phone. Like I said... I would save up money for a few months and see whats out then once you have some more money saved up or can sign a contract with a carrier to get a cheaper top of the line phone.
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Thanks for the input! I'm only limited to five thanks per day :/ (but sill thank you tommorow!.)
you said that devs will move on to other devices... i know the other devices have more powerful hardware than the HD2, but most run android. as far as i know, no Android phone can dual boot WinMo, or WP7 and there is no development for it. You see, i like WP7 OS, it looks so nice and elegant.. but i dislike the restiction. so the WP7 devices are useless to me. But if i get a HD2 , i can dual boot between WP7 and Android (for tweaking!)
About the battery life issue.. i heard some ppl with claims that WP7 on the HD2 has begged battery life, as it cannot multitasking etc. WinMo with sense is a resource hog. Androidd too.
That sucks about the Microsoft getting suspicious. I would like go use the live services, but only for the free apps. But hopefully XDA can be patching this so we can use live sevices Would it also be possible to use my friends' HD7 Imei?
Also i understand youur point about tinkering the device a lot. as i have said in my orginal post, i don't have much find and all that and frankly I'm too lazy nowadays! Also i have never owned a HTC WinMo device, so flashing is very different and new to me! I still don't understand half these terms :S Hopefully i can just keep it stable between WP7 and Android. I can request from the seller to put these on
Hmmm. Should i save up for another devise
or get the HD2.. i like the freedom of the HD2... And I'm quite impatient!
I hve been dreaming about it all night...
Thanks mate!

A good rule of thumb is always, buy if you need it now, if you can wait then wait.
I've mine since last year and it always performed beautifully under WM6.5, but now with Android is like I have a brand new phone, seriously. I'd say go for it only if you need it now, if you can wait and either gather more information or wait for a specific release that you might have the eye on, then do that.

yelsew_aknor said:
A good rule of thumb is always, buy if you need it now, if you can wait then wait.
I've mine since last year and it always performed beautifully under WM6.5, but now with Android is like I have a brand new phone, seriously. I'd say go for it only if you need it now, if you can wait and either gather more information or wait for a specific release that you might have the eye on, then do that.
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thanks for the reply! (sorry my thanks limit is full!)
But when you say wait... wait for what device? i prefably don't want a phone contract. I'm happy with my network with unlimited internet. imagining it on the HD2 will be amazing!
like i said, i can't afford the dual cores, but as the other member has pointed out, i can save up. I'm sick with my tg01 and want a HD2 so bad. if other ee devicefs get released they won't be able to dual boot.
thanks!

olyloh6696 said:
Thanks for the input! I'm only limited to five thanks per day :/ (but sill thank you tommorow!.)
you said that devs will move on to other devices... i know the other devices have more powerful hardware than the HD2, but most run android. as far as i know, no Android phone can dual boot WinMo, or WP7 and there is no development for it. You see, i like WP7 OS, it looks so nice and elegant.. but i dislike the restiction. so the WP7 devices are useless to me. But if i get a HD2 , i can dual boot between WP7 and Android (for tweaking!)
About the battery life issue.. i heard some ppl with claims that WP7 on the HD2 has begged battery life, as it cannot multitasking etc. WinMo with sense is a resource hog. Androidd too.
That sucks about the Microsoft getting suspicious. I would like go use the live services, but only for the free apps. But hopefully XDA can be patching this so we can use live sevices Would it also be possible to use my friends' HD7 Imei?
Also i understand youur point about tinkering the device a lot. as i have said in my orginal post, i don't have much find and all that and frankly I'm too lazy nowadays! Also i have never owned a HTC WinMo device, so flashing is very different and new to me! I still don't understand half these terms :S Hopefully i can just keep it stable between WP7 and Android. I can request from the seller to put these on
Hmmm. Should i save up for another devise
or get the HD2.. i like the freedom of the HD2... And I'm quite impatient!
I hve been dreaming about it all night...
Thanks mate!
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I wouldn't suggest having the seller install those for you... to get things working good it takes a lot of testing and trial and error. Especially if you want to dualboot... that's not simple. The SD card needs to be partitioned in a certain way, and wp7 needs to be installed on nand, and then you have to use an android build that can run from SD card, and most SD builds will have to be modified to be able to boot with magldr. And then you're gonna have to learn how to set it up and use it so that the battery drain isn't too bad with the SD android build. And for wp7 it takes a lot of work setting it up, changing the registry and successfully getting an activation code from Microsoft. Also you have to make sure you have an SD card that's compatible with wp7 and that runs android builds well.... sandisk class 2 seem the best, but they're not guaranteed to work. It's not a simple setup and it takes work to keep it working and updated. It takes hours just to correctly setup when you know exactly what you're doing and don't run into many issues... but many run into issues and it takes days getting them worked out.
Then you're gonna want to keep your builds updated, so you're gonna want to know how everything is installed so you can do updates when available.
It's not a simple, troublefree setup and issues are still popping up. Just keep that in mind... most sellers will not know how to set it up and if they do, it probably wont be setup well and you have to do a lot of testing and trial & error to get a setup and builds that work for you. There's many different android builds with different issues, and most SD builds are not very updated recently... but if you want dualboot you have to run a SD android build. You wont have recovery with SD builds and not everything works as well as nand builds.
You should definitely spend a few days doing research before deciding to get a hd2 so you know what you're getting yourself into. Its not a phone that can be quickly setup and used without problems. Only get it if you're willing to put a lot of time into it to learn how to set it up to work good for you.
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zarathustrax said:
I wouldn't suggest having the seller install those for you... to get things working good it takes a lot of testing and trial and error. Especially if you want to dualboot... that's not simple. The SD card needs to be partitioned in a certain way, and wp7 needs to be installed on nand, and then you have to use an android build that can run from SD card, and most SD builds will have to be modified to be able to boot with magldr. And then you're gonna have to learn how to set it up and use it so that the battery drain isn't too bad with the SD android build. And for wp7 it takes a lot of work setting it up, changing the registry and successfully getting an activation code from Microsoft. Also you have to make sure you have an SD card that's compatible with wp7 and that runs android builds well.... sandisk class 2 seem the best, but they're not guaranteed to work. It's not a simple setup and it takes work to keep it working and updated. It takes hours just to correctly setup when you know exactly what you're doing and don't run into many issues... but many run into issues and it takes days getting them worked out.
Then you're gonna want to keep your builds updated, so you're gonna want to know how everything is installed so you can do updates when available.
It's not a simple, troublefree setup and issues are still popping up. Just keep that in mind... most sellers will not know how to set it up and if they do, it probably wont be setup well and you have to do a lot of testing and trial & error to get a setup and builds that work for you. There's many different android builds with different issues, and most SD builds are not very updated recently... but if you want dualboot you have to run a SD android build. You wont have recovery with SD builds and not everything works as well as nand builds.
You should definitely spend a few days doing research before deciding to get a hd2 so you know what you're getting yourself into. Its not a phone that can be quickly setup and used without problems. Only get it if you're willing to put a lot of time into it to learn how to set it up to work good for you.
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Thanks! But as you see, the seller here is a xda member with android currently installed. He asked me what rom to have on it, but we haven't confirmed if I am buying the device yet. I though that wp 7 install was relatively easy, but I guess I'm. Wrong. I have been reading threads on it, and it isn't so easy to dual boot between the both. I have also read threads on the bad points of wp7 on the hD2. I guess it will require alot of time and effort to set my device up with all that HSPL, microsd magldr work :/ I was hoping it would be easy. Oh well I guess if I get it, I could play around with winnow as o Abe never experienced sense on the hd2 before with all that ram. Then use a micro SD build. That process seems relatively easy.
Thanks for the input
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I buyed my HD2 in December and I'm very happy with it.
Hardware is so-so. DHD is said to have much faster GPU, but on the other hand, HD7 have same processor. And there are dual core devices coming. But i would not see that as big problem. Everyone is still at single-core processors, which means that most games and apps will still support them until most people switch to dual-core. And that will not happen quickly.
Performance is OK. Android can be a bit slow sometimes, but that may be case for android, not the HD2. And WP7 builds can even beat native WP7 device.
Battery life: My HD2 lasts about a day with moderate-heavy usage. Friend have DHD and reports similar battery life. But it have flaws. For example, today i watched 15min SD video from the SD card and it somehow drained 10% of the battery (WiFi and everything was off). In fact, it's actually hard to get thin smartphone that will last much longer than that and dual-core phones will probably have even smaller battery life (and AFAIK batteries are not evolving much these days). I'm used to charging my phone everyday, so it's not really a problem for me. As for extended batteries, some Android builds support official HTC extended batteries.
Community will surely slowly shrink, but based on current activity, i say that we still have a lot time.
So, if you want to buy new phone, you will have to buy high-end phone to beat HD2. And based on your price range, i would say that HD2 is currently your best choice.

matejdro said:
I buyed my HD2 in December and I'm very happy with it.
Hardware is so-so. DHD is said to have much faster GPU, but on the other hand, HD7 have same processor. And there are dual core devices coming. But i would not see that as big problem. Everyone is still at single-core processors, which means that most games and apps will still support them until most people switch to dual-core. And that will not happen quickly.
Performance is OK. Android can be a bit slow sometimes, but that may be case for android, not the HD2. And WP7 builds can even beat native WP7 device.
Battery life: My HD2 lasts about a day with moderate-heavy usage. Friend have DHD and reports similar battery life. But it have flaws. For example, today i watched 15min SD video from the SD card and it somehow drained 10% of the battery (WiFi and everything was off). In fact, it's actually hard to get thin smartphone that will last much longer than that and dual-core phones will probably have even smaller battery life (and AFAIK batteries are not evolving much these days). I'm used to charging my phone everyday, so it's not really a problem for me. As for extended batteries, some Android builds support official HTC extended batteries.
Community will surely slowly shrink, but based on current activity, i say that we still have a lot time.
So, if you want to buy new phone, you will have to buy high-end phone to beat HD2. And based on your price range, i would say that HD2 is currently your best choice.
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Thanks! i guess i will settle for a HD2 then! (Hopefully) I understand your point, that the dual cores will be useless as most phones are single core, but isn't mobile tech advancing so quickly? anyway, the flagship nexus s is single core so most people will be inflection core. and when i get he HD2 my next upgrade after that will be next summer. By then dual cores will be primarilzed and i can upgrade from there?
Thanks!

Tech is advancing quickly, but masses are not changing phones that quickly. It will take time until mainstream android will move to dual-core. There will be bonuses of dual-core of course, but many people will still be on single-core devices, which means that most stuff would still be usable on older phones until majority of devices will be dual-core. And thanks to devs, who are always providing latest OS to our phones, i think we will hold on even longer
That is just what I'm thinking, but i may be wrong.

Im only gonna touch battery issues. The thing is, there arent any anymore LOL. With HD2 you get to change the radio of the device. Which means that you literally change the way HD2 uses its network and wifi. By switching to a previous radio, i have increased my battery to 1.5days(XBOX live games 30mins, Zune 60+-30mins, Basic web, email, 20 texts, 20mins call) without affecting performance. So you can experiment and do wonders with this devil. In addition, I dont think you need to worry about android's battery life at all. My ast android build(in sd card, not nand, nands are better) ran for two days on 1.5ghz oc'ed and I never use app killers(these kill battery) or setcpu. So, you know you will be fine with HD2. Worst case scenario, you buy an extended battery with kickstand and get a kickstand
radio i use is 2.14, latest is 2.15.

matejdro said:
Tech is advancing quickly, but masses are not changing phones that quickly. It will take time until mainstream android will move to dual-core. There will be bonuses of dual-core of course, but many people will still be on single-core devices, which means that most stuff would still be usable on older phones until majority of devices will be dual-core. And thanks to devs, who are always providing latest OS to our phones, i think we will hold on even longer
That is just what I'm thinking, but i may be wrong.
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Yeh thats great ! i hope devs sill continue to support the phone all the way through the evolution and development of WP7!

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Im only gonna touch battery issues. The thing is, there arent any anymore LOL. With HD2 you get to change the radio of the device. Which means that you literally change the way HD2 uses its network and wifi. By switching to a previous radio, i have increased my battery to 1.5days(XBOX live games 30mins, Zune 60+-30mins, Basic web, email, 20 texts, 20mins call) without affecting performance. So you can experiment and do wonders with this devil. In addition, I dont think you need to worry about android's battery life at all. My ast android build(in sd card, not nand, nands are better) ran for two days on 1.5ghz oc'ed and I never use app killers(these kill battery) or setcpu. So, you know you will be fine with HD2. Worst case scenario, you buy an extended battery with kickstand and get a kickstand
radio i use is 2.14, latest is 2.15.
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Thanks! I'm assuming this is running on WP7? that sounds great! i aint be using my phone too much for music and games, probably only once in a while (i use my ipod for that) but i will be using it a lot for web browsing and texting! those results sound great! (much better than my tg01) but is there a problem with running on WP7 that you cannot let the battery drain fully and your device won't boot?

Some things you should concider to think about before flash WP 7

Some things you should concider to think about before flash WP 7 !
This is just some of WP7 dissapointments which I experianced and why to revert back to WM 6.5 :
1. Activation stuff from MS ( I do not wont and do not need to "activate" to somebody my allready expensive HD2 device).As I read on net,Microsoft will have new activation policy in next WP7 phone update,so,nether WP7 modded ROM would not be safe to install.
2. Navigation looks like that children make it..Navigon is far primitive compared to Igo Primo.Lacks and mistakes are everywhere throughout it,very slow,not precise,no way to customise it...etc.etc.
3. Every kind of application has to be signed before any use or installation.
4. Zune software and bunch of unneccessery "addons" which comes in so called "Windows developer tools" to run from PC.You need to install Microsoft Expression,Zune,Microsoft games for marketplace,Microsoft Silverlight,3,4 SDKs,Visual studio Express..etc.etc.etc
5. Lack of easy access to documents,PDFs,files.Device become "Iphon-ised" and very "dummy".So,expensive device become dummy device.
6. Every kind of sync and use needs various hacks and registry modds.
7. Camera images looks like made by cheap 20$ idiot cameras.
8. No support for flash videos in browser.So,no Youtube.
9. Lack of "real" mighty programs....(I presume that it will be partialy fixed as time goes by)
10. No sharing SD cards between devices...
etc...etc...etc...
If you have to add something that I forget,please do and help to other users who are in doubt to flash WP7 or not.
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yeah, I have something to add.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=814075

They promised Chinese IME since they release. Still nothing.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

To be honest, first time I've ran WP7 I thought this is a beta1 version. I haven't seen so many bugs and design flaws in any other mobile OS. It's a shame.

You realize half your complaints have to do with you running WP7 on a non WP7 device?

^^what he said

but i'm still dealing with it and waiting for the next update this Feb like MS announced

I am sure you are a frustrate buyer of an android phone , because i dont understand how the f. you compare a SO with some months in the market with winmo 6.5 or android or iphone who is established in the smartfone market years ago. Did you forget the begins of this " spectacularry " IPHONE or Android phones, and so manny bugs they have ????
Be patient my friend.The igo8 , primo, or sygic. or something gps about you talk have about 3-4 years acomodated in wm, and wm exist a long time ago.
Sorry but you cant see the future my friend .

tin2404 said:
Some things you should concider to think about before flash WP 7 !
This is just some of WP7 dissapointments which I experianced and why to revert back to WM 6.5 :
1. Activation stuff from MS ( I do not wont and do not need to "activate" to somebody my allready expensive HD2 device).As I read on net,Microsoft will have new activation policy in next WP7 phone update,so,nether WP7 modded ROM would not be safe to install.
2. Navigation looks like that children make it..Navigon is far primitive compared to Igo Primo.Lacks and mistakes are everywhere throughout it,very slow,not precise,no way to customise it...etc.etc.
3. Every kind of application has to be signed before any use or installation.
4. Zune software and bunch of unneccessery "addons" which comes in so called "Windows developer tools" to run from PC.You need to install Microsoft Expression,Zune,Microsoft games for marketplace,Microsoft Silverlight,3,4 SDKs,Visual studio Express..etc.etc.etc
5. Lack of easy access to documents,PDFs,files.Device become "Iphon-ised" and very "dummy".So,expensive device become dummy device.
6. Every kind of sync and use needs various hacks and registry modds.
7. Camera images looks like made by cheap 20$ idiot cameras.
8. No support for flash videos in browser.So,no Youtube.
9. Lack of "real" mighty programs....(I presume that it will be partialy fixed as time goes by)
10. No sharing SD cards between devices...
etc...etc...etc...
If you have to add something that I forget,please do and help to other users who are in doubt to flash WP7 or not.
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1. You will have activation issues when you try to run the OS on a non-supported phone. You ventured into it, so you have to deal with it.
2. For a 4 month old platform, WP7 is reasonably stable and bug free. Nothing, compared to the number of issues I had with my iPhone 2G.
3. Isn't that a good thing for a consumer-oriented device?
4. Zune, yes. Windows Dev Tools? NO. You have to deal with it because you want to unlock and sideload apps. That isn't a fault of WP7.
5. What is meant by "easy access"? I had been able to download a 1000+ page PDF doc and open in Adobe reader.
6. NO. Registry is not for you. If it was, MS would have built in a registry editor in WP7.
7. The pics I clicked were no different than the ones I clicked with Android. Yes, the shutter sound is irritating.
8. There is a YouTube app. No, two. One from HTC too.
9. I presume that it would be "fully" fixed as time goes by.
10. How many times would you want to use a $10 SD card in shared mode?

was going to write all that ^^ said but i dont think i could have done it any better.
You sound very bitter for someone trying to use software you dont have permission to use on a device that is unsupported, you clearly havent used the device much anyway and by the sounds of it you havent done very well with "cracking" it either because youtube is available on the marketplace or im sure if you look hard enough you will find some XAPs, is it Microsofts fault that you cant read instructions on some random website detailing step by step how to get this on your OLD HD2?
Please calm down take a brake and rename this thread because it is infact YOU that is creating confusion to people that might buy this OS.
Windows Phone 7 has had some storm of Missinformation and bad PR based on untruths and incompertance, you are feeding this with this utter nonsense

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was going to write all that ^^ said but i dont think i could have done it any better.
You sound very bitter for someone trying to use software you dont have permission to use on a device that is unsupported, you clearly havent used the device much anyway and by the sounds of it you havent done very well with "cracking" it either because youtube is available on the marketplace or im sure if you look hard enough you will find some XAPs, is it Microsofts fault that you cant read instructions on some random website detailing step by step how to get this on your OLD HD2?
Please calm down take a brake and rename this thread because it is infact YOU that is creating confusion to people that might buy this OS.
Windows Phone 7 has had some storm of Missinformation and bad PR based on untruths and incompertance, you are feeding this with this utter nonsense
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Agreed.
WP7 is VERY good for the first release of a new OS. I was seriously amazed by it. Can't wait for updates with multitasking and new features, and for when the homebrew community delves deeper in and we figure out more ways of customizing it.

Virtually all "lacks" of WP7 were officially known from the very beginning.
A disappointment is nothing else but a logical consequence if you start trying the new OS if you think it should have been "perfect" from scratch.
There are quite a few buyers of native WP7 devices with the same attitude, that´s something I completely don´t understand.
Considering the flawless port of WP7 to HD2, my first thoughts after installing WP7 were quite different: I never had any first release (of whatever OS on any smartphone I ever owned) which was even close to the smoothness and bugless functionality of WP7 on HD2. Yes, the camera app function is crappy, but then again, there is already an alternative solution from the devs.
We should be happy that thanks to devs, it was (and is) possible to run a trial on our current hardware for free - there is no other device on the market which has the power to offer the same.
I guess quite a few users will go for a native WP7 device sometime in the future, others will decide for Android, or iOS, whatever. But the good thing is, you can do it having had the chance to test over weeks or months.
And that´s the good thing about HD2: It will be my electronic companion for quite a few more months, most probably for a total of 2 years. No other smartphone was good for me for so much time ever before. My guess is that for the rest of the time, I will be doing more trials with Android and WP7, while WM 6.5 is a nice fallback solution.
Oh, and btw, Navigon Select runs nicely here. It is a basic version. The full one will only come during this summer, I was told by them.

Buy a supported device then come back and rewrite this post.

yshi41 said:
You realize half your complaints have to do with you running WP7 on a non WP7 device?
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Yes,and I realise that HD2 is faster on WP7 than HD7

I think MS did a really good job with WP7.
Just think about how iOS and Android behaved first year on the market ?!?
I´m a strong beliver of Android (even a mod on forums), but WP7 really is interesting

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Yes,and I realise that HD2 is faster on WP7 than HD7
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But it doesn't run as good on the HD2... touchscreen doesn't work as well on hd2. Once the registry is known more and native devices start getting custom roms, it'll probably run faster on native phones.

tin2404 said:
Yes,and I realise that HD2 is faster on WP7 than HD7
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It's not just a matter of performance sir

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Buy a supported device then come back and rewrite this post.
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that's such a weak argument, is virtually the same thing.
I have not experienced anything on my HD2 that an HD7 wouldn't do exactly the same except at times multi-touch goes weird. Any of the custom ROMs have most issues solved and have the registry edits cooked in, so all you have to do is flash and enter your activation code, just as if you hard-reset a native WP7 device.
WP7 is nice and smooth and I like it and I'm very happy to be able to use it on my phone, but till Mango drops it does have some issues that are OS-wide that prevent me from using it as a total daily without booting into Android from SD at times. That's not a knock though, I'm amazed MS put together a product like this for a first release. After the Mango update we will have more apps, more games, more custom ROMs with probably ability to totally change the UI if we want.
and @ OPs opinion that:
Activation stuff from MS ( I do not wont and do not need to "activate" to somebody my allready expensive HD2 device).As I read on net,Microsoft will have new activation policy in next WP7 phone update,so,nether WP7 modded ROM would not be safe to install.
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what the hell does that even mean? you provide no evidence to this, just some nebulous claim that you "read on net." We all have activation keys and MS has no idea who has an HD7 or an HD2, so it's not like they can just stop allowing access to the Marketplace. They have been totally cool about giving us keys, but for some arbitrary reason will change that after an update? The HD2 crowd are buying apps and hyping up the OS, with seemingly no security issues at all, I haven't seen any pirated apps...
most of the OP's points are pretty worthless and flashing any of the custom ROMs eliminate any reg hacks or unlocking or anything.

orangekid said:
most of the OP's points are pretty worthless and flashing any of the custom ROMs eliminate any reg hacks or unlocking or anything.
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Completley agree, I was going to reply to OP and rip apart everything he has ignorantly moeaned abo9ut but everything has pretty much been said already.

I must admit im a firm follower of WM6.5 and i was very reluctant to change to WM7. Ive had WM7 on my HD2 now for 2 weeks and im really starting to get into it alot more. Now that i have activated marketplace with Microsoft (which by the way was an absolute piece of piss) ive got pretty much all the apps that i used on WM6.5 apart from my Garmin XT which i miss, but im sure someone in the coming months will sort it out. You should re-flash it back to your phone, Activate it and get used to syncing with Zune. You will get into it fella. Its mint.

Andrioid or Windows Phone 7

My new HD2 comes in tomorrow. ANd I am looking to take away the stock windows 6.5 and put either windows phone 7 or Andriod on it.
Now I come from using an iphone where i never used the ipod part of it. I did alot of gaming, and mostly organization for my job. It was a good phone book.
I dont use the internet much, so i just want to do basic browsing etc.
Im just not sure on which one is best. I have heard good things about windows 7
Now I am a mac guy, i have not had windows anything for over 10 years. So getting this windows system is it going to mess with my mac with sycing etc?
Just want to hear suggestioons. Thanks!

Apparently you can dual boot that thing
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Android for sure. Check out WP7 if we get the next update.

You will have to have Windows to flash MAGLDR or cLK which ever one you choose to go with as your bootloader. MAGLDR can boot Android and WP7, cLK can only boot Android. I suggest you have a look at the thread I linked seeing as you are running a MAC.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1039235

My question is this... what I am looking for in a phone. I dont want to have to worry about going form one OS to another.
I do not use the browser a lot. And I am not looking for many 3g apps. I am interested in apps in general.
What Im looking for is just a more organized phone. I loved my iphone for organization. I just hated how they did it (their folders suck).
I enjoy games, and i enjoy apps, dont get me wrong.
I dont facebook, i dont twitter. Mostly this phone will be used as a phone, and calendar and e-mail.
I played around with a windows 7 phone very briefly and LOVED the speed. I felt the layout would take a bit to get use to.
I never really played around with android ever. I have only seen video, and i like the fact that it has live wall paper.. other then that, I did not see anything that said use this!
I just want to make sure i get the OS that I want and is going to be best for me.

bnd10706 said:
My question is this... what I am looking for in a phone. I dont want to have to worry about going form one OS to another.
I do not use the browser a lot. And I am not looking for many 3g apps. I am interested in apps in general.
What Im looking for is just a more organized phone. I loved my iphone for organization. I just hated how they did it (their folders suck).
I enjoy games, and i enjoy apps, dont get me wrong.
I dont facebook, i dont twitter. Mostly this phone will be used as a phone, and calendar and e-mail.
I played around with a windows 7 phone very briefly and LOVED the speed. I felt the layout would take a bit to get use to.
I never really played around with android ever. I have only seen video, and i like the fact that it has live wall paper.. other then that, I did not see anything that said use this!
I just want to make sure i get the OS that I want and is going to be best for me.
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Best thing to do is just keep the Windows Mobile and dual boot Android from your SD card to getca good feel for how Android is and if you like it or not. Go to the HD2 Android SD development forums and checkout some of the SD cardcAndroid build. Also seens you mentioned games, Android has full flash support so that opens the gaming up a bit for Android. If you don't like Android you can then flash HSPL, MAGLDR, and then a WP7 ROM. Remember you will have to contact Microsoft to get a activation code to activate your live/cloud services, this includes the app market. Go to the HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A and General forums there are plenty of threads there on how to do this, it will not cost you a thing.
If you did like Android though you Can just flash Android to NAND and not WP7.
Now that is what is great about having a HTC HD2!!!!

bnd10706 said:
I dont facebook, i dont twitter. Mostly this phone will be used as a phone, and calendar and e-mail.
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In my opinion, you should go for WM6.5 or WP7.
Android is all eye candy and nonsense. Sure it can perform serious functions as well but if you want a hard working, organised OS then Microsoft is your friend.
Either that or a blackberry, but I couldn't condone that sort of behavior .......
IMO / JM2C etc....etc....
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....

I just edited my last message cause the GD productive text on Android. I had meant for my blue text to say "Now that is" not "Now that OS" made it mean something totally different. I absolutely hate the productive text on Android.

To each their own
You would need to BootCamp your Mac to get Windows on a partition to get Stuff Flashed
IMO Android should be the first OS to try out since you never tried it and its a lot easier to setup compared to WP7... Even thou WP7 is simplified the fact that their are bugs in WP7 like SDcard incompatibility and random restarts, there are some Android ROMS that are amazingly stable and you don't have to worry about activation to get the marketplace working
I had Gingerbread on my HD2 and it worked perfectly.. yesterday I switched back to WP7 and at first it would restart after a couple seconds but I somehow managed to get it stable and no more restarts
Sure you can stick with WM6.5 but the fact that you can load up an entire different OS that's newer will have you going crazy and in the end WM and your HD2 will part ways
Im torn between Android and WP7 but since everything is backed up in both Googles and Windows Live Servers I don't have to worry about loosing anything.. Just a matter of flashing and re-syncing

If you are into organization I will try a custom windows mobile Rom. It seems like Android and wp7 is based around entertainment. The office apps suck on wp7 and android.
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Personaly both fit your criteria. However android has a lot more apps than WP7. However you might also like the simplicity and fluidity of WP7. So my suggestion is to simply try each OS. Truthfully do you even really need to get your phone all organized just yet? Will a few days of testing really hurt your life? If not, then just take a few days to test both android and WP7.

To be completely honest with anyone who buys an hd2 just to run one operating system in my mind the big question, WHY?
the hd2 can dual boot perfectly, the hd2 has evolved into the tinker tailors mixenmatious ultimate device.
If you only want Android buy a hd desire.
If you only want wp7 buy an hd7
But if you want a device that can run them all and more, but never quite 100%, where you have to put lots of hours, time and patient into testing constantly changing tweaking and reading, asking questions, failing, crashing, frustration, confusion but overall HUGE interaction with a device. Then you came to the right device the hd2
Sent from my HTC HD2

Also an iPhone owner here and someone who cares a lot about organization, so perhaps I could give some decent advice.
To start -- I hate Windows Phone 7. Well, perhaps 'hate' is a bit too strong. Maybe it's better to say I really, really dislike it.
The best part about it is that it's ridiculously fast and smooth (maybe even moreso than iOS) and it's a very stylish OS, but many other things are fairly poor. The 'Hubs' style of UI interface doesn't seem to work so well (things got cluttered fast). Furthermore, the Marketplace is terrible; small selection with rather expensive apps and searching through the thing is pretty unintuitive.
There's also a bunch of little annoyances that got on my nerves quickly, such as the 'Resuming' nonsense that ends up forcing me to start over in whatever app I'm using or the fact that IE only allows me to have six tabs or the fact that there's no battery percentage (and no third party app that can access the info either!). Little things like that.
To summarize my feelings, WP7 resembles Android a lot. It sucks in the beginning, but it'll probably get better later on. If you were to ask me, I would wholly recommend installing Android over WP7; Android's Market is pretty horrible compare to iOS, but overall, it's worlds better than WP7.
It also helps that Android doesn't require some sort of special microSD like WP7.
P.S. Regarding potential issues with Mac...I honestly can't offer any advice here. I own a MacBook, but I always do these kind of things on my Windows desktop.

rhydrag83 said:
If you are into organization I will try a custom windows mobile Rom. It seems like Android and wp7 is based around entertainment. The office apps suck on wp7 and android.
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I Agree ......, I am using Android as it looks good and feels good to use android and lot of apps and games ... win phone 7 good but there are bugs knw like camera , no copy paste , and some other stuff that gives me a headache but win phone 7 is much faster than other roms ( for me)
for me Windows mobile 6.5 roms are good but boring

Well, im going to start with trying Android I guess for one week. then Try WP7 for one week. I guess thats the only way... I can see both sides.. but I will only know once i tried it.

If you are a person who uses mostly phone calls and texts, and data and Facebook, then there is not much problem with Windows Phone 7, but you cannot expect anything more from it. Yet to get proper messengers, tethering support, battery questionable.
Whereas Android will play a good part till the latter is developed in the coming days. Android will offer all the functionality and use your HD2 to full potential.

[Q] Are you planning on moving to WP7 as main OS?

Hi.
I really like WP7 and I think it fits our HD2's, yet WP7 is very immature.
For the people who are planning on moving to WP7 instead of Android, what is the milestone you are waiting for?
For the people who are not planning on moving, what are the main reasons?
Currently, I'm waiting for Mango final and a very specific application - Whatsapp.
I realize there are alternatives, but most of my friends with iOS and Android are using Whatsapp.
Anyways, its not Whatsapp as a single application, but a maturity of WP7 as an OS...
Are there any other crucial issues you think should be resolved before WP7 can be used as a main OS?

i think hd2 will get ports from future matured releases of WP7 (at least for some time).
since my hd2 is not just a phone, i am not willing to consider moving on to native WP7 devices. if i can go for multiple OSs and play with all of them, why on earth i'd limit myself to just one?
but, tmo, if u'r phone is just a phone to make calls or browse internet, native WP7 is the choice for u.
but for me.. NO. i think i'll keep my HD2
point is, i dont need to chose between WP7 and android. i can keep both.

HD2-WP7 said:
i think hd2 will get ports from future matured releases of WP7 (at least for some time).
since my hd2 is not just a phone, i am not willing to consider moving on to native WP7 devices. if i can go for multiple OSs and play with all of them, why on earth i'd limit myself to just one?
but, tmo, if u'r phone is just a phone to make calls or browse internet, native WP7 is the choice for u.
but for me.. NO. i think i'll keep my HD2
point is, i dont need to chose between WP7 and android. i can keep both.
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The OP didnt say anything about getting a native WP7 device, He was referring to using WP7 as main OS on your HD2.
@ OP
I'm contemplating keeping WP7 on my phone permanently since I can still play with Android on my Tab. I really like WP7, yes its not android (which is a great os) but its a great OS itself and runs really smooth.

I'm using WP7 on my HD2 and love it. I think WP7 is better than Android and the mature issue is getting less of an issue every day: apps are showing up every day.

is there contacts sync in wp7 sync from facebook and gmail

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is there contacts sync in wp7 sync from facebook and gmail
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Yes, you can sync facebook, gmail and other sources.

It's the only os I use & only os I would use. Not a fan of Android, so that's not an alternative. WM was great for its time, but let's face it, that time is done. WP7 is the only os for me!
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TheATHEiST said:
The OP didnt say anything about getting a native WP7 device, He was referring to using WP7 as main OS on your HD2.
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u missed my point. so i try to be more clear now.
if i keep WP7, i can taste both (and more).

JonnieLasVegas said:
It's the only os I use & only os I would use. Not a fan of Android, so that's not an alternative. WM was great for its time, but let's face it, that time is done. WP7 is the only os for me!
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dont say that!!
WM may be the ugly sister that even her parents didnt want but its a beast of an OS, there is nothing and there is unlikely to ever be an OS that can do as much as WM can. yeah it looks crap, an runs crap, but it wins hands down in every other aspect. I'd love to dual boot WM and WP, but as it is Im running WP on my day to day device and WM on the backup device, WP is so much better with the UI it just makes using it plesant, I'll not be moving back but im also unlieky to ever trully leave WM either. Droid had a look in for 6 months before WP but got board with it.

Lol, I agree WM is a beast & very friendly to us super user types. Don't get me wrong I loved it when I used it. But now I'm completely hooked on WP. But when I get a native WP I'll switch my HD2 back to WM so I can tweak it again for fun. ^_^
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I really really want to move to WP7 as my main OS however my biggest tidbits need to be fixed before I will do such. Mainly, no customization of ringtones/alert sounds (without sideloading apps, etc.)
I don't know if they corrected this in Mango but when I add my 15 year old Live ID, it intergrates all my contacts from that ID into my contact list. Same with Facebook!
I was a die hard fan of WM and Android is ok but not where my heart is. WM had lots of raw power and after playing with WP, it is really something I can see myself using.

JonnieLasVegas said:
Lol, I agree WM is a beast & very friendly to us super user types. Don't get me wrong I loved it when I used it. But now I'm completely hooked on WP. But when I get a native WP I'll switch my HD2 back to WM so I can tweak it again for fun. ^_^
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Not a bad idea that!
just need to wait for a worthwhile update to the HD2 then!
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I really really want to move to WP7 as my main OS however my biggest tidbits need to be fixed before I will do such. Mainly, no customization of ringtones/alert sounds (without sideloading apps, etc.)
I don't know if they corrected this in Mango but when I add my 15 year old Live ID, it intergrates all my contacts from that ID into my contact list. Same with Facebook!
I was a die hard fan of WM and Android is ok but not where my heart is. WM had lots of raw power and after playing with WP, it is really something I can see myself using.
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Wow, you had a hotmail (HoTMaiL) account since before MS owned it, bet you there isnt many of us still kicking around! might i suggest trimming your contacts as if like mine, most of them no longer matter when going back to 1996
Facebook contacts can be removed if you dont already have that contact in you lists

I will stay definetly on WP7, I wanted to try Android, but then I heared that they are a lot of security vulnaribilities in the OS.
Aswell Apps in the Marketplace contain Malware, so I don't want to play roulette with my device...

Asking for live id and cant able so stuck back to android
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errm
im new to this, and it's my first reply on this site. and sorry if its a late reply.
i am currently running MIUI android and i love it! it's perfect for my HD2 and i am having no problems.
a few times i have flashed WP7 with 'ok' roms (not perfect) and loved it - even though i couldn't get live services and market activated.
ALSO...in the process of switching between android and WP7, it has really messed up my SD cards - even when using different ones for each OS.
but just like you, i can't live without whatsapp as i use it everyday without fail. so does anybody know if it's going to be possible to get whatapp on wp7? and i m not really following wp7 on hd2 so what stage is it at now? like stable, lots of bugs, or is there a perfect build out there?

I'm watching how Mango goes before I make a final call. Some of the features I'm looking for are hidden SSID support, SMS/call backup&restore, wifi hotspot. I use those features a lot so if they're in Mango like I've heard they are then I'll probably switch my HD2 to being a WP7 device full-time.
I have a handful of apps that I bought in Android that it looks like I'd need to re-buy but it's not more than ~15 dollars (USD) worth so I'd be okay with it.

I would move to wp7, but no wlan hotspot, no using wifi android tablet.

When I get drunk, I pull out my blackberry and trying to do anything is just a mess.
When I pull out my WP7 it makes me so glad, honestly that I can use my phone when I am drunk.

I'm actually going to test out WP7 soon and Im really hoping that mango turns out to be a success

Yes. Tried iPhone. Tried Android. Tried WP7. WP7 is for me.
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[Q] Multiboot WM6.5, WM7 and Android?

I'm a newbie at flashing HD2. I'd like to use both Android and WM7 before maybe choosing one of both. But I have several apps like a gps tool that work only on WM6.5. Therefore i'd like to keep WM6.5 also. Is there a way to multiboot these phone OSes? I have seen another one posting this question in January but no one has answered so far.
Also I didn't understand the required steps to set up either 6.5 or 7 as main os and dual boot (just in case multiboot is not necessary) and Android.
Can somebody synthetise the steps please? What do I need?
I know this is probably redundent with things already written but I didn't full understand what has to be done.
Thanks for any help,
Who

this is not yet possible as windows phone 7 and windows mobile both only work off nand and you cannot have to os on the nand memory

Ok...
Not cool. I have co-pilot live GPS system on 6.5 and some other stuff I bought. Is it worth it to change to WM7? How about synchronizing with outlook, active sync is replaced with zune. Is it ok?

who_am_i117 said:
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Not cool. I have co-pilot live GPS system on 6.5 and some other stuff I bought. Is it worth it to change to WM7? How about synchronizing with outlook, active sync is replaced with zune. Is it ok?
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I have to say im torn between the two but only on a couple of points
Wp hands down beats WM in just about everyway you can think of, i sure as hell wouldnt change it now that im used it, getting used to it is the key point there, it is different from WM, it does not pretent to be it, it does not pretend to be anything other than WP.
Outlook syncs fine if you use an exchange server or live service, i have one of each that syncs with my phone and i dont have issues at all.
However i do miss the little things of WM, namely that its a beast of an OS, it'll do almost anything you throw at it, i have some amazing WM programs that i really need so i have my old Touch HD running them now.
I would gladly pay money for someone to get WM running of an SD card, however i believe one of the differences of WM2003 and WM5 was that WM had to have persistant storage, (WM2003 devices used to effectively hardreset when you pulled the battery unless it had the backup battery) Essentially the OS was ran from RAM and this is where i think it might not be possible as WM5 cant be run from RAM, at least to my knowledge

Thanks a lot for your evaluation

For a while I was torn between Android and WP7. Until the very recent updatable Mango release (THANKS YUKI AND XBMOD!) the Android Nand install was a clear winner - no matter how many times I tried WP7, I missed my Gingerbread too much. Now with Mango I am finally throwing in the towel and installing Android on SD, just to end my suffering, hehe. WM6.5 wasn't even in the running, to be honest, I spend the past 8 years with various WM builds and just as many devices from 2003 onwards, still have my HTC Universal with WM6.5, but have no desire to use it at all on my HD2.
Mango is pretty sweet, smooth and visually lovely.

Ok with all this, for now i'll stick with WM6.5. Although WM7 is very attractive I have to much stuff depending on 6.5. Now I'd like to load Android on an SD so that I'll use most of the time Android and when needed, reboot to 6.5. But at the threads for Androids on SD I have difficulties finding the build that works best. Can someone point me to the most reliable threads or the place I can find the required, most stable stuff?
Thanks for all the help already given.

you can use co-pilot on an sd android build http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738128.
WP7+android+co-pilot

VojvodaMomcilo said:
need 10 stupid posts
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you realise there is a point of the ten post thing? partly so new inexperienced users dont post crap in the forums

dazza9075 said:
you realise there is a point of the ten post thing? partly so new inexperienced users dont post crap in the forums
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With my experience with forums that require a certain number of posts, it often leads to posts worst than crap! Senseless crap! I rather people post stupid questions rather than senseless crap. Just my opinion.
On topic: It'll be groundbreaking if anyone can accomplish getting WP7 and 6.5 booting on the same phone. Their status on XDA would become legendary! Last I heard DFT abandoned that notion. I sure wish they would have more transparency with their projects. Maybe somebody outside their team can give excellent ideas. Why limit yourself?

VojvodaMomcilo said:
need 10 stupid posts
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How about a ban or two to go with your stupid posts?
I am not sure I would be keen on booting WP7 and WM6.5. Can't say I miss 6.5. Everything I needed I found in Android and navigation seems to be better as well. So even if it was available, I wouldn't bother.

And what Android and WM7 build/thread do you advice?

VojvodaMomcilo said:
need 10 stupid posts
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Yeah and I need to use the stupid REPORT button, say goodbye to your posts.
who_am_i117 said:
Ok with all this, for now i'll stick with WM6.5. Although WM7 is very attractive
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Dude, there is no such thing as WM7.

Ok my misstake. I meant ofc WP7. Not WM7. But so far no one pointed me to a good stable and recent version of android. Any help here please? I looked at boxmax but that doesn't seem to work that well. Even with patches I still see graphical glitches. I also didn't find an option to either revert from the SD loaded andriod to WM6.5 but neither could I find a 'turn off' button so I could restart the phone in WM6.5. I had to remove the battery.
So thanks again to finding a good working Android for SD

TheATHEiST said:
Yeah and I need to use the stupid REPORT button, say goodbye to your posts.
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Well donealthough I think he/she only posted them so that he/she could thank someone for sending an MS activation code. still no excuse.
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So thanks again to finding a good working Android for SD
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Its in my sig below

I used Yuki's Gingerbread 2.3.4/5 2.8-3.0 Nand, so went with the same for SD install after the latest Mango 7220. I doubt any version that runs off SD will ever compare to Nand. The same Android that was flawless off Nand has proven to be a bit sluggish and somewhat less stable. Still, can't complain really - got the best of both worlds and my torment about what OS to use is no longer.
The only thing that would make it perfect would be non SD locking Mango with a simple menu within OS to alternate between the two.

enigma1nz said:
I used Yuki's Gingerbread 2.3.4/5 2.8-3.0 Nand, so went with the same for SD install after the latest Mango 7220. I doubt any version that runs off SD will ever compare to Nand. The same Android that was flawless off Nand has proven to be a bit sluggish and somewhat less stable. Still, can't complain really - got the best of both worlds and my torment about what OS to use is no longer.
The only thing that would make it perfect would be non SD locking Mango with a simple menu within OS to alternate between the two.
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YUKI's GONE OVER TO ANDROID???
I can't find it anywhere!
Are you sure