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I tried to read the sticky notes and guides about "How to root a phone" or "How to install new ROM"...
But I could not find answer to some real basic questions like:
What are the differences between CM6.1, FR007 and R012? What are their andvantages and disadvantages compaired to each other?
Are there any regional or other limitations? (Expl: I can not use R012 in Europe)
What is the difference between rooting, liberating and unlocking a phone?
If my phone is provider independent do I have to root, liberate or unlock if I want to update the ROM? Do I need to do all of them or just some?
Most likely these are pretty obvious for most of you so please dont shoot me...
Thanks for the answers in advance...
CMage said:
I tried to read the sticky notes and guides about "How to root a phone" or "How to install new ROM"...
But I could not find answer to some real basic questions like:
What are the differences between CM6.1, FR007 and R012? What are their andvantages and disadvantages compaired to each other?
Are there any regional or other limitations? (Expl: I can not use R012 in Europe)
What is the difference between rooting, liberating and unlocking a phone?
If my phone is provider independent do I have to root, liberate or unlock if I want to update the ROM? Do I need to do all of them or just some?
Most likely these are pretty obvious for most of you so please dont shoot me...
Thanks for the answers in advance...
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Questions like these need to be asked in the General section. These are not Development related questions.
Yeah, but all of the threads related to his questions are in this forum, so I can see why he'd post them here.
To be honest, I'll be interested in the replies as well. I chose to go with CM6.1 because everyone said it was the most customizeable of the ROMs and that was what interested me. However, my battery life seems to be about half of what it was on the stock ROM and I'm not sure what's causing that. For instance, I charged my phone before I left for work last night, it was 100%, six hours later when I pulled it out for the first time, it was 79%. That seems like way too much drain for a sleeping device.
So I'm definitely open to switching to one of the other ROMs if there's good info supplied in this thread.
Actually... The difference between cm6 and liberated is the sense UI. Rooting your phone means unlocking it to be able to do things you couldn't do with a stock rom. Which means you can flash another rom to it after Rooting.
Liberating is not the correct term. The FR00x Roms are code named LIBERATED.
I can't understand the problem in differentiating these things... The forums have been very informative. I rooted and flashed my Liberty/Aria twice the second day I had it. To each his own though...
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Actually... The difference between cm6 and liberated is the sense UI.
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While this is arguably the most visible difference between CM6 and the Liberated ROMs, it isn't the only difference. CM6 offers significantly (at least IMHO) more features and customization capability than the Liberated ROMs, at the cost of what some feel is a nicer look, and some HTC proprietary features.
I have run quite a few iterations of the 2.1 Liberated ROMs, quite a few of the various CM6 ROMs (nightlies etc.), and one of the early Liberated 2.2 ROMs for a couple days. Personally after switching to CM6, the lack of custom options in the HTC based ROMs is no longer acceptable for me (thus my very short stay on Liberated 2.2). However, I like tinkering with my device, so CM6 fits my wants more than the Liberated series. Others certainly may not find the same thing.
As far as battery life goes, from my experience the ROM is less of a factor than usage patterns, to include location/cell signal strength issues. I have a fairly inconsistent usage pattern, due to varying demands on my time at my job. Sometimes I have lots of time to play with my phone, other times it sits in my pocket untouched all day, or somewhere in between these extremes. I also work in varying locations, some with better service than others. To try to monitor signal strength more accurately I run my signal strength indicator in db rather than bars (an option in CM6). Maybe it is because of my strange usage patterns, but I haven't seen any significant difference in battery life between any of the ROMs I have used. A couple of examples of my experience below:
1) work location 1, signal strength -65 to -80 db typical, 3g radio on all day, about 5% per hour battery drain with minimal browsing/no phone calls/minimal messaging.
2) work location 2, signal strength -70 to -90 typical, same usage as above with 3g radio on gets me about 10% drain per hour. switch to 2g only radio, back to 5% per hour or so. No clue why there is such a difference in battery drain with fairly minimal difference in signal strength (unless maybe it's reading strength of 2g svc, and 3g is coming from a weaker more distant location??)
3) recently attended a meeting in a concrete building - entered building at 8 am with 87% battery remaining, 2g only radio on. signal strength in building -105 to -110 db (basically no signal). break from meeting at 10 am - battery now at 51%. Checked battery usage stats - cell standby used 70 something % (can't remember exact number, but way high). Sent message to my wife to call me on my work cell phone (dumb vzw phone with battery that lasts all week) and put Aria in airplane mode. battery drain from 10am to leaving meeting at 5pm was a total of 3% (48% battery left when leaving)
While I didn't really give Liberated 2.2 a chance to really stabilize, I have run Liberated 2.1 and CM6 both long enough that I feel the battery performance on each are comparable.
Sorry for so much info in a thread not really aimed at battery life specifically....
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Explained, hopefully
CMage said:
I tried to read the sticky notes and guides about "How to root a phone" or "How to install new ROM"...
But I could not find answer to some real basic questions like:
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I agree with all you've said, it is confusing and one needs to read a lot to understand it all. While that is time consuming, it's not a bad thing because by reading lots, we learn a lot. Answers to your questions below following the word ANSWER.
What are the differences between CM6.1, FR007 and R012? What are their andvantages and disadvantages compaired to each other?
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ANSWER: CM is simply someones verison of a new ROM, could have different kernel, features, included tools, etc. I don't use it but believe it's based on the Android 2.2 Operating System. FR007 is the latest version of the "Liberated" ROM (Liberated simply means it was liberated-freed from the constraints of AT&T, i.e., rooted to allow mods), but has Android version 2.2 as its Operating System. R012 is another modified verison of the basic ARIA ROM, but is based on Android version 2.1 Operating System. Both of the last two were built by ATTN1.
Are there any regional or other limitations? (Expl: I can not use R012 in Europe).
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ANSWER: You can use them in Europe; no radio code changes, no h/w changes are made.
What is the difference between rooting, liberating and unlocking a phone?
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ANSWER: Rooting is simply "fixing" the phone so you can modify the Operating System and add new non-Market applications. AT&T releases the phone to not allow changes to be made...they don't want the hassle of people calling their tech support group. Doesn't mean we can't do it, hence this FORUM.
Liberating is not really an activity you can do; it's simply the name ATTN1 decided to call his version of his new ROM...he "liberated" it from the constraints of AT&T. Unlocking is something you need to do if a phone is locked, which some carriers do. I didn't have to do it with the ARIA, perhaps the Clockwork mod does that; I simply don't know. On one of my older HTC Microsoft based Smartphones I had to unlock it to modify the ROM.
If my phone is provider independent do I have to root, liberate or unlock if I want to update the ROM? Do I need to do all of them or just some?
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ANSWER: to update the ROM you need to ROOT it. Read the Sticky for ROOTING, use the one that describes building a CD ROM that runs UNIX on your PC and does the whole ROOT thing for you. Very simple to build the CD and ROOT your phone. Just follow the directions.
Nice of "cease" to take the time to give a good detailed answer!
I will just add a couple of things...
If your phone is carrier locked and you want to use it on a different carrier you will have to unlock it. This is not done by any software change, it has to be done by an unlocking service or the original carrier.
If you want to make any changes to your phone you pretty much have to root it. This will give you the choice of either adding a different ROM or making other changes. If you are like me and want to keep the stock ROM for whatever reason, you can get rid of the AT&T bloatware, install non-market apps and other stuff by various methods found throughout this forum. Installing a new ROM is an easy method to achieve these same things, but I like to figure stuff out for myself first (I just got my Aria a few days ago).
Cheers.
Cease, thanks a lot for the detailed answer. I really appreciate...
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Cease, thanks a lot for the detailed answer. I really appreciate...
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You're very welcome; glad I could help.
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Nice of "cease" to take the time to give a good detailed answer!
I will just add a couple of things...
If your phone is carrier locked and you want to use it on a different carrier you will have to unlock it. This is not done by any software change, it has to be done by an unlocking service or the original carrier.
If you want to make any changes to your phone you pretty much have to root it. This will give you the choice of either adding a different ROM or making other changes. If you are like me and want to keep the stock ROM for whatever reason, you can get rid of the AT&T bloatware, install non-market apps and other stuff by various methods found throughout this forum. Installing a new ROM is an easy method to achieve these same things, but I like to figure stuff out for myself first (I just got my Aria a few days ago).
Cheers.
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Thank you for this; I didn't know why unlocking was ever needed. But this now makes sense given my first HTC Windows Mobile phone was purchased from a UK company (not AT&T) necessitating me to UNLOCK first before I could use it on AT&T with my AT&T SIM card.
One of the main differences is that HTC Sync is available only on Liberated yet not on CM. I like CM better yet because of that I am with Liberated F006
If you need sync with MS Outlook - Liberated is the only choice.
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ANSWER: Rooting is simply "fixing" the phone so you can modify the Operating System and add new non-Market applications. AT&T releases the phone to not allow changes to be made...they don't want the hassle of people calling their tech support group. Doesn't mean we can't do it, hence this FORUM.
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Thanks for the good info.. My wife and I really like our Arias and are actually pretty happy with the stock setup. As I understand it, if I just root the phone, I'll still have my regular stock-looking setup but, I'll be able to get rid of AT&T's built-in apps and install whatever other apps I want, correct? (I've already sideloaded a few things, but it would be nice to just be able to install what I want..)
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Thanks for the good info.. My wife and I really like our Arias and are actually pretty happy with the stock setup. As I understand it, if I just root the phone, I'll still have my regular stock-looking setup but, I'll be able to get rid of AT&T's built-in apps and install whatever other apps I want, correct? (I've already sideloaded a few things, but it would be nice to just be able to install what I want..)
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Rooting a standard setup does not automatically give you the ability to load third party apps as AT&T has removed that option in Settings altogether. You will still have to sideload third party apps. Also rooting will allow you to remove AT&T built-in apps, just be sure you read and understand the process and procedures thoroughly.
Ok, but the three ROM's mentioned in this thread will allow me to do those things? That's not a problem, I'm just trying to get up to speed on the terminology and steps required.. I don't want to do or change too much too quickly..
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ANSWER: CM is simply someones verison of a new ROM, could have different kernel, features, included tools, etc. I don't use it but believe it's based on the Android 2.2 Operating System. FR007 is the latest version of the "Liberated" ROM (Liberated simply means it was liberated-freed from the constraints of AT&T, i.e., rooted to allow mods), but has Android version 2.2 as its Operating System. R012 is another modified verison of the basic ARIA ROM, but is based on Android version 2.1 Operating System. Both of the last two were built by ATTN1.
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So of the three ROM's in the thread title, it seems like R012 would be the closest to our current, stock setup; FR008 (update to FR007) would be be similar, but add stuff from Android 2.2; CM would be even more different since it doesn't use the Sense interface.. Right?
I don't mind experimenting with ROMs that are different than stock, but I don't want to make any drastic changes to the wife's phone. (Marital tech support can be a pain..)
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So of the three ROM's in the thread title, it seems like R012 would be the closest to our current, stock setup; FR008 (update to FR007) would be be similar, but add stuff from Android 2.2; CM would be even more different since it doesn't use the Sense interface.. Right?
I don't mind experimenting with ROMs that are different than stock, but I don't want to make any drastic changes to the wife's phone. (Marital tech support can be a pain..)
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That sums up the three main ROMs pretty well, I'd say. If you look in the Aria Superthread you will see an organized list of the modifications you can make and step-by-step instructions for each modification.
The key thing to remember about playing with the different ROMs is that before you start installing anything, you need to make a nandroid back-up. This is a feature in ClockworkMod Recovery that is installed when you root the Aria. The beautiful thing about a nandroid back-up is that later, at any point and for any reason, you can always return your Aria back to the exact state it was in when you made that back-up. In other words, you can go right back to the basic Android 2.1 with HTC Sense that came on your Aria when you first bought it. Knowing that made it much easier for me, personally, to go ahead and start playing with my Aria. I'm very glad that I did!
Thanks for the great info! This place is pretty high-level, so basics like this are very much appreciated by folks who need to play catch-up..
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However, my battery life seems to be about half of what it was on the stock ROM and I'm not sure what's causing that. For instance, I charged my phone before I left for work last night, it was 100%, six hours later when I pulled it out for the first time, it was 79%. That seems like way too much drain for a sleeping device.
So I'm definitely open to switching to one of the other ROMs if there's good info supplied in this thread.
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What do you get on FR008? Battery life is always one of my main concerns. I know R012 has great battery life.
I haven't personally used FR008. I did install it on two different co-worker's Arias, but my use of it in those cases was too short to evaluate the battery usage.
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I haven't personally used FR008. I did install it on two different co-worker's Arias, but my use of it in those cases was too short to evaluate the battery usage.
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Ah I see. I'm just so lazy ;p
Doesn't look like much dev work on this phone and what I have found seems to be mostly for sprint...is there much difference between the versions for sprint and virgin mobile?
Looking into a cheaper plan, but would like to keep a smartphone so VM looks perfect, but reviews I have seen look pretty sad for this phone.
I want to say I wouldn't really recommend this phone. It certainly doesn't live up to its expectations and specifications. I've ranted pretty hard about this phone, but after rooting and many, many tries of installing and reinstalling ROMs I've finally got it settled down and it's not that bad.
To answer your question, and I'm assuming you're talking about rooting difference, there's a pretty big difference. You must find a VM ROM. Although they are the same phone, a Sprint ROM will not work on a VM phone. However, most devs at sdx-developers make dual versions so you're mostly ok. Other than that the only difference is Sprint adds its bloatware and VM adds its bloatware.
vm phone
I just moved to virgin mobile from tmobile. as far as cost and functionalitly the intercept on virgin mobile is on par with my g1 (which i loved rooted with cm6). I am now running ubundroid for virgin mobile , works great with no problems.
cant beat virgin mobiles price .
I may consider getting this device.
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Actually, there have been people who have accidentally flashed the sprint df27 tar to their virgin mobile phone and have been fine. You can even get the sprint froyo update running on a vm phone, but it'll break missed call notifications and mms.
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Actually, there have been people who have accidentally flashed the sprint df27 tar to their virgin mobile phone and have been fine. You can even get the sprint froyo update running on a vm phone, but it'll break missed call notifications and mms.
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Hm, I'd figure it wouldn't boot. Interesting, though.
So, those of you that have been able to root the VM Intercept; Is it worth it? I am looking to be able to apply Frodo (2.2) to my phone and have everything still function. I want to be able to make my phone install apps to SD instead of internal memory. I want to be able to make my phone faster.
Will this be possible with rooting and installing a new ROM? Can I revert back to the default ROM?
grabbed this phone. Best buy has it for $179. With a $25 a month unlimited data and text messaging plus 300 minutes, it's a no-brainer. Hell, it's cheaper than a cheapo data /text plan alone on verizon.
So what's the consensus on this phone?
Can it be flashed from Sprint to Virgin Mobile? I'm looking to pick one up to use really soon and can't find any VM ones cheap.
If this phone is able to be flashed, what are the chances of other non VM phones being able to be used on the VM network? From my searching so far it's been a definitive no on that. Is there really no hope?
Virgin will not allow non Virgin branded devices on thier network. Flashing a Sprint phone will not work. Sorry
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Thanks for the definitive reply. How do you like it so far? Phone and service. Are you satisfied or do you still feel like a better phone would improve the experience?
Virgin Mobile is very awesome for sure. I used them a lot during the past.
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I switched over from Sprint to cut what I deemed unnecessary costs since we have an 8 month old and a new car payment now.
Saving the $60 bucks a month that I am definitely helps out.
With Sprint, I had the htc Hero and the 450 minute/unlimited data & text plan.
I can honestly say that the Samsung Intercept, at least IMO, is a MUCH better phone than the Hero. A much better processor and I love the slide out keyboard.
With my Hero, I had problems running some apps, mainly Angry Birds... It was nearly unplayable with that phone.
However, on the Intercept it runs like a charm.
I thought I would kind of regret my switch, but I actually couldn't be more happier. I still have all the benefits of having an Android phone + unlimited text and data for 1/3rd of the price that I was paying Sprint.
Another thing I love is that the only tax you pay on your bill is sales tax.
Ive been using the VM intercept since it came out and really like the service, for the price it can't be beat. Im still running stock, but with temp root via z4root and barnacle wifi this phone is fantastic. It works perfectly with my g-tablet running TnT Lite 2.4.0.
Now if they would just hurry up and release the VM froyo update....
Well... Coming from the Hero development threads, I have a strong background on Android in general and the way it works with different providers.
I'll give you all a heads up on the difference.
It's in the apns-conf file and voicemail-conf file that is tucked inside the etc folder.
apns-conf: Carrier specific settings.
voicemail-conf: voicemail settings (sometimes not needed either way).
if you just push the right apns-conf and voicemail-conf files to the phone if your on the wrong carrier and reboot, everything should be right unless your on a rom that uses visual voice mail when your carrier doesn't support it. I never did figure out what the exact differences between those are.
You can even double up on settings between those files (i.e. add both carrier's settings) to make the rom dynamic. I will be doing some rooting/devving for some friends who have this phone pretty soon, and if I decide to bust out a custom rom for you guys I'll keep you posted.
Played a few good hour on it:
the CPU is faster 800mhz than 5xx than G1, I switch from my froyo yoshi G1 to Intercept, samething Facny widget Launcher Pro Calander is all I need.
First 10hr using experience was ok....just OK not great, is like 5 or 6 out of 10.
But, I will stay at this machine instead LG optimus V.
PRO:
1) monthly price: $25 unbeatable, in fact this is cornerstone that just set for other carrier, since VM/Boost/Sprint are all sprint, they will eventually helping bring other carrier price down. Best service I ever have is VERIZON, NEVER drop call, worst was AT&T+cingular.
2)Intercept have great hardware, but not good resolution, is like glass screen (like BB stome but harder and clear)which is great+ for dirty finger like me, glass resist oil better, only down side is low resolution and color contrast is not as good as other phone.
3)the fast CPU but low memory, what this combo tell you? OVERCLOCK THIS MFKER LIKE NEVER BEFORE! is base on 800mhz, I think going 900mhz is not as hard as LG optimus going from 600 to 1000, I have not test out LG yet but as soon as I send in my broken intercept (it will ;P) and claim the LG to test out, then we can see what is going on from there.
1GHZ low end phone....I can hear the laugh from my feet
CON:
1)phone selection sux, since VM prevent flash or you want to do those hassle and live with not complete phone go ahead, as I suffer from my tether enable G1 with T-mobile Sidekick prepaid and BT the hell out of it, but when talk is with 15c a minute, OUCH!
2)the resolution resolution resolutionnnnnnn!
I think is comparable with Gameboy color (no kidding, I think Intercept resolution was the worst I see, glad it have ok screen size but I can live with it)
3)SOFTWARE SUX! 2.1 was not the problem, is that samsung always have weak software, like I said, HTC was pretty good on software engineering, in fact most of their apps are well engineered, but samsung......no, that is why is just hard to flash it on intercept, and sometime we risk too high to flash those device since samsung are the one that can brick like no others, at least in my case.
4)Funky and Kinky hardware QC, quality check check check, we used to have those KING OF THE XXX SERIAL, there will be one lazy QC personal on samsung just few quarter before suicide/fired and it will cause such unstable quality when they on the market, check moment for example, how is those crazy things happen? and sometime their quality are so unstable that cause people piss off samsung phone forever.
overall, I still give this phone a go, because I have not get a FC on 10hr play.
I give it 6.7 out of 10, and give my G1 100 out of 10, it was indeed a beast.
BTW I notice something on intercept, it can play a lot video/game SMOOTHER than some high end phone did, I was watching FULL EPISODE of cowboy bepop and Ghost In The Shell, OMG THE QUALITY WAS LIKE HD but in smaller screen.
My G1 can't even do that.
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So, those of you that have been able to root the VM Intercept; Is it worth it? I am looking to be able to apply Frodo (2.2) to my phone and have everything still function. I want to be able to make my phone install apps to SD instead of internal memory. I want to be able to make my phone faster.
Will this be possible with rooting and installing a new ROM? Can I revert back to the default ROM?
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2.2 is coming to VM Intercept in about a month, that'll make a lot of apps run faster, it'll make root easier, you'll be able to tether easier, and you should be able to move apps to SD then.
I am planning to buy this Phone - HTC Imagio Unlocked. I will be using this Phone in India with Vodafone GSM. I like the features of this Phone so much that I am tempted to buy it within no time .....
I read a lot of criticism on some features like -
1. Its battery is very bad. If true, how can I tweak the Phone to give me maximum battery life ?
2. Processor is slow. Any tweaks possible ?
3. Does it have FM & a stylus ?
Can you please echo your experiences over here .... Please.
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I am planning to buy this Phone - HTC Imagio Unlocked. I will be using this Phone in India with Vodafone GSM. I like the features of this Phone so much that I am tempted to buy it within no time .....
I read a lot of criticism on some features like -
1. Its battery is very bad. If true, how can I tweak the Phone to give me maximum battery life ?
2. Processor is slow. Any tweaks possible ?
3. Does it have FM & a stylus ?
Can you please echo your experiences over here .... Please.
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use application on Attach below to overclock the CPU, yes there is an FM radio and a stylus! You can check it at ~ http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1784&view=1&c=verizon_htc_imagio_xv6975_htc_whitestone_100
Regarding overclocking
Yes, but does overclocking have long term effects on the Processor ?
Also, how can I prolong my battery life to give me more Talktime during daily usage ?
during overclock is not too excessive, it would not be so influential on the processor !
I have used this phone in India on Vodafone and it works fine. Never had any issue with battery life but I wasn't talking for an excessive amount of time. Setting it to GSM mode only may help. The phone has a stylus but you should rarely need it.
Search for WiMoSpeed for an easy-to-use overclocking software. If you run stock ROM, it should be pretty quick without any overclocking. If you are running a cooked ROM, overclocking does help. You will have to figure out how fast you can overclock your phone by experimenting.
Also working fine on T-Mobile US prepaid
Very nice phone for the price! I missed my old HTC Wizard and I'm very glad to have a great smartphone again. Goodbye toy Nokia 5230!
If you're not using it with a CDMA carrier, turn off CDMA mode. Better battery and no weird error popups about dialing errors or registering the phone on Verizon network.
3G GSM will not work in USA/Canada, wrong band.
T-Mobile prepaid locks down Web 2 Go access on smartphones. This phone seems to confuse their gateway though, and will allow you to purchase (but not actually use) a $1.49 day pass.
Wifi works great. I have a T-Mobile Rocket USB stick with a cradlepoint 'pocket' router. Perfect solution to the lack of data access on T-Mo prepaid, and I can share via wifi with up to 16 devices.
EnergyRom is a very nice upgrade. I'm glad I did this.
I wish there was an Android port for this phone, but I understand there won't be because of obscurity.
Working with iOS devices at my job makes me glad not to be an Apple fanboy. There is no comparison when it comes to freedom to mod, update, find apps, use my phone the way I WANT.
I'm wanting to try and get the HTC Trophy, and wanted to get some thoughts from you guys. I apologize if this is already started, but I couldn't find it... Anyway:
-Is Google lacking from WP7?
As in, can I integrate my Google Account with WP7 as in use my gmail for Email, Google Music as media store, etc... What would the limits of that be?
-Is the HTC Trophy a good/reliable device?
I played with one at the Verizon store and I loved it, but I never used it beyond tinkering around to check it out. Does the phone keep a consistent service and good network speeds? Should I wait for the next WP7 device to come to Verizon?
-Camera?
I use my x2 as a personal camera, It has 8 MP and can record 720p video. That sounds good, but truth be told, the Video recorder SUX and the only way to get 720p is to put CM7 on it(and we just got that ROM like in January; 8 months after the release of the x2) and it is still a little buggy. The Camera however is pretty nice, I like it a lot anyway.... How does the Trophy Perform in the Camera area?
-Market Apps?
Is there a decent amount of games and market apps available for WP7? All that would really matter to me is a few key apps that I use on a regular basis; one of which is Evernote. I use this as my lyric notebook for my music that I write for when I'm on the road or away from a notepad, I can use my phone to jot down a few lines of a song or try to complete a song when I get spare time. YouTube.. I think I saw this on the phone by default but can't quite remember. And just a good assortment of games. Also, is the paid/free apps a good combination and not ridiculous prices? Android offers a great combination of free and paid, on the iPhone, the only thing I see that is decent is like 4+ dollars so just wondering on what the users feel about the market?
-Rooting?
Is the development pretty spiffy with the HTC Trophy? Android offers Rooting and I see something like HSPC or w/e for WP7. What exactly is this and what would the benefits be if I tried to do this?
-Overall opinions?
For those that came from Android can you let me know what the biggest 'let-go' you had to take? and just an overall opinion of your satisfaction with WP7.
I thank anyone that would answer these. If anyone knows of someone that would want to sell the HTC Trophy or trade for a Droid x2, would you please PM me or post on here. I'm a contributor for the Droid x2 and many users can vouch for me in the Droid x2 area of XDA. My ROM is headlined on DroidForums.net in their forum area for the x2 and it is also here on XDA(which is where it is mainly supported).
Again, Thank you for your time,
Peperm1nt
Peperm1nt said:
-Is Google lacking from WP7?
As in, can I integrate my Google Account with WP7 as in use my gmail for Email, Google Music as media store, etc... What would the limits of that be?
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Google Account works fine. You can use it to sync your calender, contacts, email, etc. Google Music and such... still no support as far as I know, its not a service I use.
User snickler is working on an app for Google Music called "CloudMuzik." I don't know anything about it, but.. well.. its there.
I take normal mp3's and load up my phone with music via Zune sync, and that works just great for me. The Last.fm app rocks imo... I love using that to stream music.
Peperm1nt said:
-Is the HTC Trophy a good/reliable device?
I played with one at the Verizon store and I loved it, but I never used it beyond tinkering around to check it out. Does the phone keep a consistent service and good network speeds? Should I wait for the next WP7 device to come to Verizon?
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The HTC Trophy is much better with reception and speed then my last two phones, the HTC Eris (Android) and Touch Pro2(WM6.5). I do still feel that the network speed is being held back by something, but I have yet to test it right next to a VZW tower to see if its simply my imagination.
When I was using the shipping radio (that came with NoDo), the phone had issues staying in 3G mode and switching from 1X to 3G was really slow and iffy, but this is resolved with Mango v1+ radios installed.
However, due to my situation of using my phone as my primary internet connection, it sits in the window sill whenever I am at home. To improve reception in situations like that, I have a beast of a heavy duty case on my Trophy (that and since the phone has a tenancy to fall off my window sill with my dogs go crazy...). This makes a huge difference in my reception.
Peperm1nt said:
-Camera?
I use my x2 as a personal camera, It has 8 MP and can record 720p video. That sounds good, but truth be told, the Video recorder SUX and the only way to get 720p is to put CM7 on it(and we just got that ROM like in January; 8 months after the release of the x2) and it is still a little buggy. The Camera however is pretty nice, I like it a lot anyway.... How does the Trophy Perform in the Camera area?
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I think the camera is great for still shots, but keeping it clean is key. The 720p video recording leaves much to be desired, as it seems speed is much slower then the 640x480 mode.
Peperm1nt said:
-Market Apps?
Is there a decent amount of games and market apps available for WP7? All that would really matter to me is a few key apps that I use on a regular basis; one of which is Evernote. I use this as my lyric notebook for my music that I write for when I'm on the road or away from a notepad, I can use my phone to jot down a few lines of a song or try to complete a song when I get spare time. YouTube.. I think I saw this on the phone by default but can't quite remember. And just a good assortment of games. Also, is the paid/free apps a good combination and not ridiculous prices? Android offers a great combination of free and paid, on the iPhone, the only thing I see that is decent is like 4+ dollars so just wondering on what the users feel about the market?
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Evernote appears to be available for the phone, and is rated currently at 3.5 stars. I think that most apps are decently priced. The most I have paid for an app is $9.99 (Natural Japanese), but for what the app does, its still a fantastic value. I do think that the games market is fairly mature now. You can still get classic games like Angry Birds (that they even give XBL points if your into that!), with new games/apps launching every day.
There is also the "Bazarr" app store for full unlocked phones that has awesome stuff like Opera for WM6.5 ported to work on WP7.
Peperm1nt said:
-Rooting?
Is the development pretty spiffy with the HTC Trophy? Android offers Rooting and I see something like HSPC or w/e for WP7. What exactly is this and what would the benefits be if I tried to do this?
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"Unlocking" this phone by installing HSPL is a straight forward process (I wrote a guide to doing it on the Verizon Trophy), and it is WELL worth doing. HSPL allows flashing of 3rd party roms to the phone, but the Verizon Trophy (and Sprint Arrive) were only made available on 2-15-2012, so no public roms have hit for the Verizon Trophy yet. You can private message mwang to test DFT Freedom for Verizon Trophy... it's worth it.
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-Overall opinions?
For those that came from Android can you let me know what the biggest 'let-go' you had to take? and just an overall opinion of your satisfaction with WP7.
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When I first moved to Android, the biggest let go was Internet tethering. Using the stock Verizon rom, tethering is not enabled.
However, with the advent of HSPL, DFT Freedom for Verizon Trophy includes Internet Sharing, so the phone can be used as a 5 device hot spot.. and it is awesome. Compared to using my Eris as a hotspot, its just sweet. The rooted free tether on Android is crap compared to Mango's built in support, as NAT support is completely supported (so my XBox 360 logs on and works perfect vs not working at all).
The other big draw back for me was no Swype. I wouldn't mind it so much if Verizon would of gotten the HTC Arrive (GoldC) instead of the Trophy (SparkW), but the advantage of the Trophy is that it is a world phone, so you can still put a GSM Sim card in and roll with that later if you wanted to switch carriers or travel.
Thanks for the reply. I really want to get this phone, but no one is messaging me back for trades or buys. Do you know anyone?
Btw, I play xbox all the time, so the xbl integration has me too.
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Unfortunately no, I know no one that wants to trade. I know I have mine, and I am keeping it close. lol
Lol its fine,i get paid monday, probable going to get one on ebay.
Forgot to ask this in the op:
Battery Life:
I use my x2 throughout the day moderately...one full charge gives me 8 to 15 hours of battery life. I disconnect the auto sync and try my best to increase battery life, but the display DRAINS the life horribly...like 1 hour of display will put the phone to 10 % or lower. What are the thoughts on that?
Development:
I develop for android. What is the developm went like on wp7?
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The Trophy produces similar battery results for me, but I charge it everyday and I live in a fringe region. I turned on Mango's battery savor feature when the power is low, but I haven't really been able to use it yet.
Battery life on the Trophy is okay... You should be able to make it through the day no problems with moderate usage. If you're on the edge or frequently go out of service the phone will drain very quickly. On the flip side there are days where I rarely use the phone, and with the stock battery it will go almost 3 days with no usage.
One thing that I found out is that the EVO / ERIS battery is almost the same... It fits in the phone and the phone will use it, but the back cover won't snap on correctly. If you were looking for a larger battery the first thing you'll need is an extended battery cover. Also, the snaps for the regular trophy and Verizon are slightly different which makes it even harder to find the cover. I think you can just break a few of them off and it will fit.
The camera is okay but it's definitely nothing special. If you have good light and still shots it will produce a decent image. It's about on par with the D2 which I think is slightly worse than the X2.
The one thing that I'm kind of missing is a few networks apps. There really isn't a good app to do things like ping, wifi scanning, or speed tests. Since there is no flash you can't just load up speedtest.net in the browser.
For music I would say that using Zune works fairly well. It loads the songs very quickly over wifi, and if you had it setup to sync automatically you should be able to just put songs into the folder and the phone will download them whenever you're at home.
Youtube is not officially supported but at one time there was an HTC Youtube app but I think they had to pull it from the market. It looks like there is an app called youtube pro that gets good reviews and is free. The nice thing about the marketplace is that there are a lot of decent free games and apps like there is on android, but there are also trials of paid apps so you can try it before you decide to purchase.
My overall satisfaction with the phone is pretty high. It's definitely a step up from a D2. Just using it for simple tasks it performs a lot better although there are still some gotchas that you might have to work around. (If you use skydrive putting documents on the phone is easy, if you don't want to use skydrive then it becomes a lot harder)
That's odd.. my Eris and Touch Pro2 batteries are identical in size and fit... but neither are hi-capacity.
Thanks guys.. ordering one for Monday hopefully unless I can get one for trade on here
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Found a trophy!! Lol hopefully be deving here soon.
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Awesome. I hope it works well for you. Poke around the dev forum for guides on HSPL for SparkW...
I will soon be writing a guide to keeping the newest (Mango V2) radio while still retaining HSPL. I will probably be adding it to my radio guide sometime today/this weekend. I need to upload some files/roms that will be needed to make it work.
Also, a word of warning, do NOT install any updates via Zune!!! I recently discovered when performing the Zune upgrades that the Mango V2 drivers might disable the availability to flash roms the normal way, and force using the GoldCard method (which I will add to my HSPL guide soon enough).
Thanks for the heads up.
In android we can sbf to fix bootloops and make our phone stock for warranties and such. Also to get on specific kernels or android versions. How exactly does wp7 do this or is there an option? Also HTC has unlocked bootloaders in android. Is it the same here... most of this will probably get answered when I get the phone. Just wanting to get a start in the right direction.. again, thank you for the help.
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My HSPL guide covers returning to stock at the end. It involves loading the bootloader and running DFT's unlocker tool, but flashing the OSPL (Original SPL). You then flash the factory rom as I have outlined.
Peperm1nt said:
Thanks for the heads up.
In android we can sbf to fix bootloops and make our phone stock for warranties and such. Also to get on specific kernels or android versions. How exactly does wp7 do this or is there an option? Also HTC has unlocked bootloaders in android. Is it the same here... most of this will probably get answered when I get the phone. Just wanting to get a start in the right direction.. again, thank you for the help.
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hey peperm1nt, at Microsoft Stores, they are letting you trade in any smartphone, android, iphone, blackberry, etc towards a free, new in box, no contract WP7. you can choose from the trophy, titan, focus, radar or nokia 710 until Mar 29. link (http://slickdeals.net/f/4120241-Swa...-contract-Microsoft-Store-B-M-Only-thru-3-29?)
Thanks, there aren't any microsoft stores in my area, but I got the Trophy the past week.
Thanks tho for the info
BTW, I wish I had got this phone instead of my x2!!! like seriously, I love this phone. Only problem is the graphix of games aren't as smooth as my x2, but i guess thats the difference between nVidea & qualcomm. But other than that, this phone rox!!! UI is so smooth and the Facebook integration is nice. I'm looking into the whole modding aspect of this, still haven't got the grasp of 'rooting' this phone and making buckups to later restore if something goes wrong, my ultimate question is this:
In android you can 'sbf'(flash the phone with stock firmware). Is that a possiblity on here?
I read the restore thread; is that the equivilent to what I'm looking for?
Yes, in the HSPL thread, restoring to stock is the equivalent. You replace the moded SPL (HSPL) with the OSPL (or original SPL), and then flash a stock rom.
As for backup, I have yet to find a backup method that works after flashing a different rom, or even flashing back to a rom that I made the backup on. I'm not sure if this is an issue with CDMA Trophy or not.... perhaps I should start a thread on this since you brought it up (yes... I think I will do that now). lol
I'll look into the setup once I get the 'guts' to HSPL'ing my device, and break into the file structure. Once, I do that, I'll look at making a script or something to auto install like android does with the system folder, if this is possible or w/e.
I'm sorry for bringing android into this, But I'm not good with terminology on the WP Platform yet, but I do this to compare and show you what I'm talking about if that makes since.
Well, your Windows Live login that you used will have a record of your apps you installed, much like your Google login for the Play Store. Your contacts are on whichever account you choose, I keep mine on my Gmail account still, since I switch between my Trophy and other Android device. I also have an unlocked HD7 that I use for travel.
Just like when you were first learning to root Android, you followed the guides step by step. As long as you do the same here, you will be fine. DFT has done some awesome work, and WP7 would prolly not be where it is without them.
If you have your Trophy activated, you can use it as a hotspot, but only with HSPL and a custom rom. I never bothered doing it with my Trophy, but it's definitely an incredible thing to have, especially if you have any wifi devices you carry around.
Its great to see the development for the Trophy taking place, I had one last year but moved onto another OS/Device. Considering a return to the Trophy again and will read a bit more into the custom ROM's.
OK so lemmie explain
1. This DX is a lost device. ESN is gone (NEVER TO BE FOUND )
2. Its main use is Pandora in my shop to keep people entertained with music
3. I want to make it a Wifi ONLY device. taking out all the bloatware and crap that VZ put into it to make it fast, battery efficent, and able to last for days on a single charge.
Please if there is a rom that fits my needs, direct me. if not help me in finding or building one?
its main use is like a tab. decent camera to take pictures, and overall just there to be there, never really meant to leave the building. always connected to one wifi network. ITS A SHOP PHONE
it will use applications that will help me track and manage inventory and send emails to customers, but i want it SIMPLE AND BASIC. an iphone theme would be cool seeing that id be selling it to someone who has an iphone and is confounded by the "overly complicated paperweight" of a phone that i have. time is no issue here, thanks for the help!
There's is no ROM that strips away the phone functionality, although many people have asked for it.
For simple, clean, and good battery life, try Vortex Liberated (VXL).
I don't believe you will be disappointed with it.
If you want more ROM features you can also try ouut CyanogenMod 7, CyanogenMod 9, or MIUI.
Edit: Also, post questions in general
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