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Available memory size of most common HTC Wizard OS versions

Real, dependable, up-to-date information on the available memory size of the most common HTC Wizard operating system versions
While trying to find a Wizard ROM version that makes it possible to run the
software-rendered version of Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 by Aspyr Media (of
which I'll soon publish a quick review) on the HTC Wizard, I've thoroughly
scrutinized the free (dynamic) RAM/ROM size of all the known and recommended
ROM versions.
This information will be essential to anyone that wants to run
memory-intensive programs (mainly games) that require every single byte of
the memory.
... more at:
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=782&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

My QTek 9100 with the latest AKU2 ROM has 24 MBs of RAM after loading after a clean boot, but a few hours later and after loading *and* closing completely some apps, it is down to 18 MBs of RAM. Ususally that's where I am at: at 18 MBs of free RAM.

Eugenia said:
My QTek 9100 with the latest AKU2 ROM has 24 MBs of RAM after loading after a clean boot, but a few hours later and after loading *and* closing completely some apps, it is down to 18 MBs of RAM. Ususally that's where I am at: at 18 MBs of free RAM.
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Latest AKU2 ROM should grant you at least 26-27mb of ram. Try to avoid installing all the extrom crap after a hard reset (especially the antivirus if you're using latest imate rom).
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risidoro said:
Latest AKU2 ROM should grant you at least 26-27mb of ram. Try to avoid installing all the extrom crap after a hard reset (especially the antivirus if you're using latest imate rom).
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Depends heavily on how many programs you have installed and running in the background at startup. I have 24.6MB free RAM after booting, but with dozens of programs installed and several today plugins running (PocketBreeze, KabuToday, Egress, PocketWeather, tdlauncher, TimeToday) - I think you can't expect more than that! ;-) Before I switched to SBSH I had the SPB products installed and around 3-4MB less...

i know, but i though Eugenia was saying she's only 24mb after a hard reset (now i see she wrote 'clean boot' so maybe she was referring to a soft reset)
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M2D 3d Driver ROMs RAM Usage?

Hey Folks,
first of all, I like those new ROMs with Manila2D very much. Interface looks nice and is really good to use.
The thing that makes me think about going back to non-Manila ROM is the excessive RAM usage ... with Syrius R1 e.g. I got max. 35mb of free RAM directly after Installation. Compared to a udK Diamond R8 which I used for quiet a while ... running SPB Mobile Shell 2.1.2 + Cube and several other installed apps, gave me 45mb+ free RAM.
What's your RAM usage like with Manila2D? I don't know if it's in any way worth sacrificing 10MB+ of RAM just for the nice looks .... though anyway Mobile Shell looks very nice too, and has like thousands of Skins and mods available.
boba

Well thats the trade off you get. Manila 2d isnt THAT RAM intensive. So its up to you wether you use it or not.
I think Manila is GREAT and im more than happy to sacrifice ram. Nothing else compares to Manila.
If you want just a skin and cut down on Ram usage a little bit, try loading on Vito's Winterface or iFonz.
Other than that, just dont use Manila.

No answer to your question, just a other question of me.
Do you need the extra free program memory?
I never have a shortage in memory. I never checked the amout of free memory until I saw your post. I have 23 MB free program memory with a lot of programs active. I noticed there is only a total of 84 MB of program memory. I thought it should be 128 MB? As stated before, I never have any issues with a lack of memory.

Different ROMs have different amounts of free RAM available. There is a certain amount that can be reserved for other things, such as pagepool I believe, that take away from the total program memory available. This even happened in the wm6.1 official ROM, max memory available dropped.

hambola said:
Different ROMs have different amounts of free RAM available. There is a certain amount that can be reserved for other things, such as pagepool I believe, that take away from the total program memory available. This even happened in the wm6.1 official ROM, max memory available dropped.
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If you want max free memory out of the ROM, like me try Bepe 0.67 rom. I disable the Biotouch.exe (a simple trick by renaming activesynkiller.exe to Biotouch.exe) And install Manila2D on my own -> use the beta 18 version.
And on fresh restart, I get 69MB free memory. After hours of usage, I still get 60MB free memory.

No answer but another question
IGO 6 & 8 not working while Manila is active, must disable the Manila and reset to launch IGO
if I minimize IGO and start Manila and return back to IGO it working with no problem
is it another memory problem or what ???

help me chose wm 6.1 or wm 6.5

Hello. I need a wm 6.1 or 6.5 to put on my trinity. (p3600) I want to install igo8 and mio v3.3 on it. Can you tell me witch wm i can use? I need space and at least 30mb free ram for installing igo8, mio and any other software. I tried all kins of rom but igo 8.3.2 is not installnig anymore. please help.

WM 6.1, I dont belive that the Trinity has enough RAM to run WM6.5
I use this ROM on my trinity without any issues
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=494727

i'm currently using wm6.5 (i believe TRIN_WM6.5__3_00_707_51__B21232) and it seems pretty stable so far. The only real issue i've had is with the status icon in the top right of screen that shows programs running and mem usage, it's disappeared and the only way i got it back was doing a hard reset, but then it went again. Apart from that all good so far.
I'm using the rom as supplied and have installed no extras apart from TomTom7, which works fine.
I do get a bit of slow down occasionally but it doesn't seem any worse than 6.1 and killing off apps using task manager generally sorts it out.
Hope this helps
Smiffy

I used wm6.5 kitchen in my P3600 , It's work well , finger friendly and beauty menu , but soma time it's hang and some program such garmin not run it and need long time for started. I turn to wm5 orginal , but want to test wm6.1 !
Can U help me to chose light version of Rom wm6.5 or wm6.1 ?

Check my siganture for a decent Ultralite 6.1 ROM. From a fresh install you have the following:
WWE_21014_UltraLite
Storage 74.43Mb
RAM 51.07Mb
Free Storage 71.88Mb
Free RAM 30.95Mb

deedee said:
Check my siganture for a decent Ultralite 6.1 ROM. From a fresh install you have the following:
WWE_21014_UltraLite
Storage 74.43Mb
RAM 51.07Mb
Free Storage 71.88Mb
Free RAM 30.95Mb
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Hi deedee,
Thank you, that was good advice, I had to fix a friend's Trinthy P3600, I took your advice and 21014.1.6.0 ROMs first I tried the full version but then switched to the Medium and it was awesome. From a fresh boot it gave me more then 29MB of RAM, Then I loaded a ton off apps like iGO8, SPB mobile Shell with SPB weather and SPB TV, Mobi Pocket Reader, AE Buttons, StopTime, scientific Calculator and RDP (and I thin I am missing a couple of them) but it is working great.
Very Good Stable and Fast ROM, since it was this post of yours that guided me to that ROM so I owe you tons of Gratitude. And I also owe chanv93 lots of thansk for making such wonderful ROM and putting it out there for dumb noobs like me who are not smart enough to cook their own ROMs.
Good Work chanvi93 and many many Thanks

[Q] What ROM I need?

I'm very new with the Athena (or Ameo) I will get this week. I had a Touch Diamond (nice, but so small and slow for me) and a Toch Pro 2 (cool gadget so far). Now I have bought an Ameo I have wanted so long and I hope this little nice device will live a long time.
Well, because I'm new the the Ameo I have some questions and hope you experts can help me.
The Touch Diamond had a VGA screen too but with much lower size and a slower CPU. So, programs running on the Diamond are also possible to use on the Ameo?
Can I use the latest SPB Mobile Shell on the Ameo without issues? Haven't found some infos about.
I can use the 16GB MicroSDHC from my Touch Pro 2 with a simple MiniSD-Adapter on the Ameo, right?
And the most important questions: Whats the ROM I need? Okay, without any informations this is the most stupid question I can tell, I know. I'm looking for a light ROM (German would be nice, but English is good too) based on WM 6.1 or 6.5, but should be stable with all function working like the base ROM. I also want to use the G-Sensor (not only on internet browser), GPS, WLAN and VGA/TV-out. Bluetooth is necessary for using headset. And I have seen a special driver for the ATI chip. Do I need a ROM with this builtin driver or can I install it later?
Best regards
from Purzelkater

Purzelkater said:
#1. The Touch Diamond had a VGA screen too but with much lower size and a slower CPU. So, programs running on the Diamond are also possible to use on the Ameo?
#2. Can I use the latest SPB Mobile Shell on the Ameo without issues? Haven't found some infos about.
#3. I can use the 16GB MicroSDHC from my Touch Pro 2 with a simple MiniSD-Adapter on the Ameo, right?
#4. And the most important questions: Whats the ROM I need? Okay, without any informations this is the most stupid question I can tell, I know. I'm looking for a light ROM (German would be nice, but English is good too) based on WM 6.1 or 6.5, but should be stable with all function working like the base ROM. I also want to use the G-Sensor (not only on internet browser), GPS, WLAN and VGA/TV-out. Bluetooth is necessary for using headset. And I have seen a special driver for the ATI chip. Do I need a ROM with this builtin driver or can I install it later?
Best regards
from Purzelkater
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im no experts but heres what i know
#1. most likely yes
#2. yes.. no prob at all
#3. yes you can...!!! (hail obama for theese words)
#4. you can search in this site ... i recomend 6.1 based rom for faster response...but if you love beauty.. go for 6.5
you can search here..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=380

Thanks for your replay, baramuli!
Now I have tried some ROMs... original T-Mobile MW6 (brrrr ), HTC WM6, full AP 4.0, xXaCsXx V4.31 Clean and V4.31 HH WM6.1 (all German), irus Ultra Vanilla WM6.1 and AP4.0 Vanilla, WM6.5 MULTILANG R6.5 RC1 MiChY and lennie's AGB V3.00.0. Some I have flashed more then once to check special tweaks or settings.
WM6.1 build are nice and fast, had around 120MB storage and 80MB free mem. Well, AP4 was startlingly slow.
Michys R6.5 was best looking on paper, but on the Ameo I had much trouble with it. I like the 6.5 design, but R6.5 was unuseable for me. Had have freezes, non working keyboards, broken start menu and some more.
But AGB V3 was amazing. Stable, fast (for a WM6.5.x build) and I haven't found bad bugs so far. The only point I'm not happy with it are the big menus and fonts. Well, its nice for small displays but oversized on the Ameo. I hope I can make some changes here.
Yes, the Ameo is not the fastest device, but pretty usable and my Touch Pro 2 with WM6.5 has dropouts yet. The Ameo can play the same movies I had watched on the TP2 and games (Palm Heroes, NfS Underground, Spore) are a pleasure on 5" (yes, I'm 34 but I like to play games, some times ).
Mobile Shell was nice on the Ameo but I was not happy with it.
My 8GB Class 4 Kingston microSDHC is running without problems on a MiniSD adaptor on the Ameo but I will change to 16GB Sandisk from my TP2.
ATM I try to optimize AGB V3 for myself (change some programs on the ROM, make some registry tweaks).

Fastest ROM

Hi can you tell me which is the fastest ROM for our HDs .Doesn't matter 6.1 or 6.5. I just want fast ROM with weather on the homescreen. Of course I prefer 6.5 with sense but I don't know does it fast as 6.1. If there is WinMo 6.1 with interface Sense 2.5 and it's fast like touch flo for example will be great.
Thank you!

this question has been asked and answered dozens of times.
the fastest rom is the stock rom wm6.1 with touchflo 3d 1.3
this touchflo version only has a weather tab, no weather on home screen. also not all sense 2.1 versions have home screen weather.
if there were such a thing as a perfect blackstone rom, no other chef could be bothered building own versions, the blackstone classically is a device on the line. it has a high display resolution, yet not the powerful processor, most new devices with that resolution have.
so, you have to pick, either speed OR a lot of features.
you can try cloudy 0.7 for instance. while on the one hand, it has not been updated in almost a year (also, as in most roms, the twitter tab does not work anymore). but it combines wm6.1 with sense 2.5 and it is relatively fast.
but if you are actually all about the speed of the rom, you might want to try a stock rom, and simply move the weather tab to the 2nd position, right next to the home screen. it isnt't too much work to swipe over the display once to check the weather. just think of iphone users, who with one swipe only just unlocked their phone and are hardly ready to access all kinds of information without launching 267 apps

Fast rom and ram
Chef_Tony,
First of all sorry for going off topic i just have a few questions
1. Does more free Ram makes a rom faster. i mean if a rom have 100 MB free ram on start is faster then a ROM having 60 mb free ram.
2. I dont use manila, sense, titanium or any today screen, just resco today items, i use to have xperia x1 b4 my hd n there was this rom by laurenti, which have 160mb free ram.( x1 have 32 less ram then HD) and on my hd its only 100 mb(blackstonehedge v6.5) with sense, manila turn off, only resco today items, is there any ultra light rom like laurentis for hd(6.5 or 6.5.x bottom start button, X button closes app.)
3. if is there isnt any rom( i have searched, but might have missed) , can you please cook such a rom.
PS.
was using - Build 23134 - Laurenti v2 (new AKU 5309). from this thread on my x1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=676383

1. not necessarily. less ram usage extends your battery life and has more potential for running apps.
it does affect the speed, when the operating system, for the sake of the example, let's say wm6.5.5 with CHT 2.0, hogs all the ram and cpu power, trying to run a 3d game or watch hi-def video might get annoyingly slow.
but the general speed of the GUI cannot be read from ram or cpu usage alone. when picking a rom you should have a look, where certain packages come from. when a rom mostly consists of leo packages, you will see that it is quite slow, because the leo with 1ghz has much better resources. generally, packs from devices closer to the blackstone, like the rhodium, run slightly faster.
2. so much for the theory. if you don't use any of the built-in home screen extensions, you can pick practically any rom around here. either you go with wm6.1 for more speed, or you pick something newer for more finger-friendliness. in contrast to most other users, you don't need to choose your rom for the manila version. just have a look at the integrated apps, because that can really save you time, setting up the device.
3. there are several ultra-light roms:
- one would be a stock rom, it comes with almost no integrated apps and you'd only need to disable touchflo and you're good to go.
- there is also raving rom wm6.1, which comes without manila or sense, just a custom home screen and a very little ram footprint.
- in the energy roms thread, at the very bottom, you'll find a titanium rom, which is meant for users of own GUI solutions, like spb mobile shell or you resco home. but i wouldn't exactly call it ultra-light, because it comes with a lot of integrated apps.
p.s. despite my user name and avatar, i am not a rom chef, or any chef for that matter, it is just a parody of one of the most annoying persons in late night infomercials
so unfortunately i can't cook you a custom rom.

Thank you very much for a quick reply,
look like i black stonehendge is best option for me know, really appreciated your detailed answers.
thanks again

Nicely answered Chef_Tony
Thread moved to General forum (where all queries should be asked )