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Yes the phone is real fast, has all this cool stuff like 4" Super AMOLED, GPS, Wifi, HSPA, 1GHz processor, etc., but beyond what they list on the spec sheets, there are many compromises, bad design choices, and cost-cutting for the physical portion of the phone and its usability as a "phone" phone. I am still sticking with the vibrant as it performs well for a smartphone, but it does bother me that I am sort of downgrading in other respects.
For one, Samsung made a bad design decision by using a cheap, thin, shiny plastic back cover that no one likes. It is basically the entire phone aside from the glass front, and becomes a slimy mess very quickly. It's also not very secure and creaks at the edges where it snaps on the side, or at least mine does. The way it tapers back like an iPhone 3G and has a thickness of less than 10mm makes it hard to hold and unpleasant to use when talking on the phone or using it as a camera. The cheap plastic buttons are also difficult to press because of the thinness, are jittery and not very firm, and the power button should be bigger or on the top because I use my phone with either hand and the power button is made for left hand usage only.
If the Vibrant had not wanted to be a me too of the iPhone 4 as far as thinness, it would be much better to hold like the Samsung Wave, which has actual sides (not chrome edges) that are rounded and comfortable to hold, along with a real shutter button. A thicker phone would have also allowed for a bigger battery and better sensor/lens for the camera if they cared to place one, and who knows why they took out the flash beyond just being cheap. It would also help with the toy feel of the phone by adding some weight to that 118g.
When the screen is off, the phone is definitely not a looker, accented with a cheap chrome trim that has been used on old phones for ages. And I've already said enough about the back. I guess you could say the front can look cool if wiped clean and used as a mirror.
For telephony, I can't say much about call reception, but the actual earpiece and speaker isn't very good. The earpiece is muddy and not very loud compared to all my previous phones. The speaker is terrible for placing people on speakerphone, because their voices sound like a garbled mess that goes in and out. Same with using it when someone calls me. The ringtone can't get very loud and has that same garbled mess for sound. I've heard way way better like the stereo speakers on Nokia phones and it seems on par with some of the cheap diminutive fashion candy bars that Sony Ericsson has. I wonder if its the thinness that is making both the earpiece and the speaker sound so bad, or if Samsung has gone cheap again.
I'm not sure what to tell you other than you need to run to the store and swap yours out.
Mine sounds way better than any other phone that I've ever owned.
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The speaker is terrible for placing people on speakerphone, because their voices sound like a garbled mess that goes in and out. Same with using it when someone calls me. The ringtone can't get very loud and has that same garbled mess for sound.
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I think there's something wrong with your phone, bro. I can hear my ringtone very loud and amazingly clear over my car stereo (Pioneer HU, Infinity Reference 6.5", 10" subwoofer w/600w).
I couldn’t care less what the phone looks like. It could have a 'scratch and sniff' picture of a rotting cow covered with maggots on the back. That’s what they make gel covers for! I just want it to have an awesome screen, CPU and GPU. It has all that. Qwerty would have been nice for emulators.
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Yeah, your speaker is 'jack'd', I have to turn mine down because it's way to loud!
Well the back cover of all phones aint worth a damn. But i dont care because mine ALWAYS have a case of them. I have a skinomi screen protector on it so i dont have any fingerprints. I am right handed and press the power button with my thumb or if its in my left hand i use my index finger. Maybe you need practice. I can care less about how the phone looks when its off.
I agree you should return your phone.......
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Yes the phone is real fast, has all this cool stuff like 4" Super AMOLED, GPS, Wifi, HSPA, 1GHz processor, etc., but beyond what they list on the spec sheets, there are many compromises, bad design choices, and cost-cutting for the physical portion of the phone and its usability as a "phone" phone. I am still sticking with the vibrant as it performs well for a smartphone, but it does bother me that I am sort of downgrading in other respects.
For one, Samsung made a bad design decision by using a cheap, thin, shiny plastic back cover that no one likes. It is basically the entire phone aside from the glass front, and becomes a slimy mess very quickly. It's also not very secure and creaks at the edges where it snaps on the side, or at least mine does. The way it tapers back like an iPhone 3G and has a thickness of less than 10mm makes it hard to hold and unpleasant to use when talking on the phone or using it as a camera. The cheap plastic buttons are also difficult to press because of the thinness, are jittery and not very firm, and the power button should be bigger or on the top because I use my phone with either hand and the power button is made for left hand usage only.
If the Vibrant had not wanted to be a me too of the iPhone 4 as far as thinness, it would be much better to hold like the Samsung Wave, which has actual sides (not chrome edges) that are rounded and comfortable to hold, along with a real shutter button. A thicker phone would have also allowed for a bigger battery and better sensor/lens for the camera if they cared to place one, and who knows why they took out the flash beyond just being cheap. It would also help with the toy feel of the phone by adding some weight to that 118g.
When the screen is off, the phone is definitely not a looker, accented with a cheap chrome trim that has been used on old phones for ages. And I've already said enough about the back. I guess you could say the front can look cool if wiped clean and used as a mirror.
For telephony, I can't say much about call reception, but the actual earpiece and speaker isn't very good. The earpiece is muddy and not very loud compared to all my previous phones. The speaker is terrible for placing people on speakerphone, because their voices sound like a garbled mess that goes in and out. Same with using it when someone calls me. The ringtone can't get very loud and has that same garbled mess for sound. I've heard way way better like the stereo speakers on Nokia phones and it seems on par with some of the cheap diminutive fashion candy bars that Sony Ericsson has. I wonder if its the thinness that is making both the earpiece and the speaker sound so bad, or if Samsung has gone cheap again.
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LOL WoW tell us how you really feel about the phone, you sound like you ran out and bought it and your pissed that the Sim's game isn't as fun as you thought it was going to be so now the whole phone sucks I'm just sayin...
I haven't really known anyone to complain about a phone being too light.
im with this guy on the phone, coming from the evo, this samsung kind of sucks, im trying to stick it out but i'll probably go back too sprint. tmo's reception is not stellar and samsung software is less then stellar =\.
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im with this guy on the phone, coming from the evo, this samsung kind of sucks, im trying to stick it out but i'll probably go back too sprint. tmo's reception is not stellar and samsung software is less then stellar =\.
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TMo's reception works fine for me and the comparison between the Evo and the Vibrant stops at they are both Android phones. Vibrant is far better. But to each their own.
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TMo's reception works fine for me and the comparison between the Evo and the Vibrant stops at they are both Android phones. Vibrant is far better. But to each their own.
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might be the phone but, its far to jumpy, i travel between LA and Portland weekly and only get 3g for about 15 minutes in 3 citys in those 1000 miles. hopefully 2.2 fixes some of the issues.
I guess to each his own, but I love this phone. I've had it next to an EVO and even though the Evo's screen was bigger the Galaxy S screen was definitely more vivid.
I hope you're still within the return period...
Guess there should've been a "IMO" in the title, this phone is fine to me in all those aspects you mentioned.
Thanks for venting, I guess ...
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For one, Samsung made a bad design decision by using a cheap, thin, shiny plastic back cover that no one likes.
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I wouldnt blame it on Samsung. Since there are many variations to the Galaxy S lineup.
I would blame T-Mobile for ordering a glossy backed phone from Samsung. What Samsung does is they take the order and customize a phone for their customer (T-Mobile) to meet their needs.
Captivate has a different back, Fascinate has a different back, Epic 4G has a different back.
So your argument that it is Samsung's fault for making a bad design decision is fruitless. I like fruit by the way.
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Yes the phone is real fast, has all this cool stuff like 4" Super AMOLED, GPS, Wifi, HSPA, 1GHz processor, etc., but beyond what they list on the spec sheets, there are many compromises, bad design choices, and cost-cutting for the physical portion of the phone and its usability as a "phone" phone. I am still sticking with the vibrant as it performs well for a smartphone, but it does bother me that I am sort of downgrading in other respects.
For one, Samsung made a bad design decision by using a cheap, thin, shiny plastic back cover that no one likes. It is basically the entire phone aside from the glass front, and becomes a slimy mess very quickly. It's also not very secure and creaks at the edges where it snaps on the side, or at least mine does. The way it tapers back like an iPhone 3G and has a thickness of less than 10mm makes it hard to hold and unpleasant to use when talking on the phone or using it as a camera. The cheap plastic buttons are also difficult to press because of the thinness, are jittery and not very firm, and the power button should be bigger or on the top because I use my phone with either hand and the power button is made for left hand usage only.
If the Vibrant had not wanted to be a me too of the iPhone 4 as far as thinness, it would be much better to hold like the Samsung Wave, which has actual sides (not chrome edges) that are rounded and comfortable to hold, along with a real shutter button. A thicker phone would have also allowed for a bigger battery and better sensor/lens for the camera if they cared to place one, and who knows why they took out the flash beyond just being cheap. It would also help with the toy feel of the phone by adding some weight to that 118g.
When the screen is off, the phone is definitely not a looker, accented with a cheap chrome trim that has been used on old phones for ages. And I've already said enough about the back. I guess you could say the front can look cool if wiped clean and used as a mirror.
For telephony, I can't say much about call reception, but the actual earpiece and speaker isn't very good. The earpiece is muddy and not very loud compared to all my previous phones. The speaker is terrible for placing people on speakerphone, because their voices sound like a garbled mess that goes in and out. Same with using it when someone calls me. The ringtone can't get very loud and has that same garbled mess for sound. I've heard way way better like the stereo speakers on Nokia phones and it seems on par with some of the cheap diminutive fashion candy bars that Sony Ericsson has. I wonder if its the thinness that is making both the earpiece and the speaker sound so bad, or if Samsung has gone cheap again.
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The phone is real fast, has all this cool stuff like 4" Super AMOLED, GPS, Wifi, HSPA, 1GHz processor, etc., AND beyond what they list on the spec sheets, there are many great compromises, great design choices, and awesome cost-cutting ideas for the physical portion of the phone and its usability as a "phone" phone. The vibrant as it performs well for a smartphone, but it does'nt bother me that I am sort of upgrading in other respects.
For one, Samsung made a great design decision by using a cheap, thin, shiny plastic back cover that i like. It is basically the entire phone aside from the glass front, and its easy to clean with one swipy. It's also very secure and does not creaks at the edges where it snaps on the side. The way it tapers back like an iPhone 3G and has a thickness of less than 10mm makes it hard to hold my mouth closed in amazement to use when talking on the phone or using it as a camera. The comfortable plastic buttons are also easy to press because of the thinness, are very firm, and the power button should be applauded because I use my phone with either hand and the power button is made for non complainers.
If the Vibrant had not wanted to be a me too (huh?) of the iPhone 4 as far as thinness, it would be much better to hold like the Samsung Wave, which has actual sides (not chrome edges) that are rounded and comfortable to hold, along with a real shutter button. A thicker phone would have also allowed for a bigger battery and better sensor/lens for the camera and also more expensive if they cared to place one, and who knows why they took out the flash beyond just being cheap (the flash that never existed you mean?). It would also be adding some weight to that 118g. but who wants a heavy phone?
When the screen is off, the phone is definitely a looker, accented with a cool chrome trim that has been great phones for ages. And I've already said enough about the back. i mean its awesome you know cause i get reception unlike a iphone 4. The front can look cool if wiped clean and used as a mirror. (great idea!)
For telephony, I can't say much about call reception, other than amazing but the actual earpiece and speaker is very good. The earpiece is very loud compared to all my previous phones. The speaker is for placing people on speakerphone, because their voices sound like a hot mess that goes in and out. Same with using it when someone calls me. The ringtone can get very loud and has that same hot mess for sound. I've heard way way better like the stereo speakers on Nokia phones and it seems on par with some of the candy bars that Sony Ericsson has. I wonder if its the thinness that is making both the earpiece and the speaker sound so good, or if Samsung has gone awesome again.
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I wonder if its the thinness that is making both the earpiece and the speaker sound so good, or if Samsung has gone awesome again.
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ROfl
Nice one
@OP
If you don't like the phone, return it.
If you can't return it, sell it.
There a plenty of people interested in buying this phone.
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Funny stuff
Humorous, I find the case of the phone to be a mute point as in my case the phone is sitting snug in a rubber body glove with only the screen exposed. To each his own.
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Funny post. Complaint about everything but the GPS. This phone has the biggest capacity battery I have seen for a phone, yet that's too small. The nicest back cover yet. I must be deaf, because I can hear my phone quite well in a 100db engine room. Cheap plastic buttons? There is buttons on this phone? What is he doing, typing the Morse Code on the power button? Or is there some great phone I'm missing?
YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!
I know it sounds a little odd, but I kinda wish the phone was a little heavier. When I was holding the Evo yesterday it felt beefy and really solid.
However with that being said, I really like the fact that when I wear cargo shorts and my phone is in my pocket its not cracking me in the knee like my G1 brick used to do.
I guess you have to take the good with the bad and the bad being its rather light I suppose I can live with unless of course I decide later to duct tap some lead to the battery cover.
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and the power button is made for non complainers.
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LOL!!! I'm glad I wasn't drinking milk, otherwise, my laptop would be bathed in it!
Hey guys i'm thinking of getting the surround and wanted to ask people who already have it what happens when you play music/phone rings when the phone is closed? Does the sound come from the hidden speakers? won't that sound muffled? or what? thx!
From what I can tell, even when the phone is closed the sound still comes from the same speakers. So the sound does seem muffled by the front plate of the phone. However, the quality of the sound is still great for a phone even with the speaker closed. If I'm listening to something, I usually leave the speaker slid out though.
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From what I can tell, even when the phone is closed the sound still comes from the same speakers. So the sound does seem muffled by the front plate of the phone. However, the quality of the sound is still great for a phone even with the speaker closed. If I'm listening to something, I usually leave the speaker slid out though.
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So it sounds like you like your phone! would you recommend it?
and on a related note, why is there a speaker grill on the back of the phone too? (see attached pic)
I like the weight and feel of the phone compared to the other thiner/lighter models. It feels like a solid well made phone. I definitely use my phone more for music now and really like the Zune integration. The large speaker bar provides crisp clear sound that remains clear at the highest volume. There are three different sound modes (changed by pressing the silver square button on the speaker bar): Normal, Dolby Mobile, and SRS Enhanced.
Overall I like the Surround, I'm a bit disappointed in the lack of customization (true for all WP7 devices) but I expect that will improve over time. I'm also looking forward to some more great apps.
As for the back cover, that appears to be a vent hole as there is no speaker (at least visibly) behind it.
If you are going to get a WP7 and enjoy using your phone for music/media then I think the Surround is a great choice.
Also found this review which has some good pictures of the back cover removed.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4015/htc-surround-review-pocket-boombox
Hey there,
You don't really notice any muffling of the sound until you slide the speaker out, and even though, I wouldn't say it makes a HUGE difference - a difference yes. I think the phone, while it has a nice solid quality feel, is a bit thick for my liking. Coming from an iPhone 4, then Samsung Galaxy S (super thin), and now this, the Surround almost feels like the Tilt 2. I just ordered the Samsung Focus (I think the HD7 is awesome, but I wouldn't be able to enjoy 3G since I'm on AT&T). I hope the Focus is thinner.
That speaker looking grill is just that, it allows the sound to have an alternative venue to escape in the event that the speakers are covered. Thats what helps keep the sound crisp and clear when the phone is in the closed position. Think if it as a ported sub-woofer box... Well at least thats what the HTC rep told me
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So it sounds like you like your phone! would you recommend it?
and on a related note, why is there a speaker grill on the back of the phone too? (see attached pic)
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I thought that's what it was for too, but I don't know if it's very helpful.
If you get this phone and use the alarm like me, just get use to leaving the speaker open. It's not really a big deal.
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The speakers sound FINE whether open or closed. There is a grill on the back that helps when the case is closed. I think all this stems from a couple of dim witted no talent reviewers who trashed the entire phone on this one caveat.
Despeite what a few of them say, the phone has great audio, great video, great everything, the phone is NOT bulky, the screen is plenty bright with good saturation, the zune software does a great job of converting videos.
The only limitations of the phone are those of the OS and that will certainly improve over time. In fact there are already 2500 apps available, many for free, that extend the abilities of the phone and you can bet your whiskers MS is working on upgrades right now. Someone just put out an app where you can vote on what improvements you want to see next. There are new apps appearing every day so having the phone is fun....that's what we do here...tinker and maximize our toys until the next one comes out ))))
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The speakers sound FINE whether open or closed. There is a grill on the back that helps when the case is closed. I think all this stems from a couple of dim witted no talent reviewers who trashed the entire phone on this one caveat.
Despeite what a few of them say, the phone has great audio, great video, great everything, the phone is NOT bulky, the screen is plenty bright with good saturation, the zune software does a great job of converting videos.
The only limitations of the phone are those of the OS and that will certainly improve over time. In fact there are already 2500 apps available, many for free, that extend the abilities of the phone and you can bet your whiskers MS is working on upgrades right now. Someone just put out an app where you can vote on what improvements you want to see next. There are new apps appearing every day so having the phone is fun....that's what we do here...tinker and maximize our toys until the next one comes out ))))
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Not to be a pain, but can you stay on topic? We are talking about the sound when you do not slide the speaker out. No offense intended, just saying...
I failed to mention that the sound is definitely muffled when closed. Is it still loud? Yes, it's fine, but definitely better when slid out.
The reason I ask is because I see a lot of build quality complaints on the forum (not arguing if this is because this forum is here to solve issues, even if it was just 1 complaint it would still count) which say it has bad build quality because it has a little lightbleed or sharp edges and other issues.
Well in my case I have treated my TF101 like **** (it's been banged around, dropped from 4ft+ heights multiple times, collided with things while sliding around on my sailboat, falling to the floor when I tried to chuck it on my bed and missed) and so far there isn't any (visible) damage, and is still working perfectly fine without any screen bleed.
So is the initial state of the product the only measurement of build quality? Cause I find the TF101 to be pretty resistant against pretty serious abuse and would say the build quality is amazing.
In the new generation of morons it's been defined as:
"Is it Apple? No? Then the build quality sucks."
stcardinal said:
In the new generation of morons it's been defined as:
"Is it Apple? No? Then the build quality sucks."
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I own an iPad 2, well, owned. Gave it to my girlfriend.
Does it feel nicer? Yes. Is it shinier? Yes. Is it more rugged? No, my iPad got dented when it slid around in the ship and a corner of the glass cracked, luckily Apple repaired it for free after a lot of *****ing.
Great quality
I have had mine for 2 weeks and have zero complaints. If I could find a good sleeve/protector for it, I'd be set.
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I have had mine for 2 weeks and have zero complaints. If I could find a good sleeve/protector for it, I'd be set.
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This isn't a thread about what is/isn't wrong with your transformer, I want to know what defines build quality.
Build Quality: Your senses comparing a thing to your experienced things that cost the same money. The more senses involved, the more important and emotional (to you) the purchase decision will be. The more you'll complain if the product dissappoints you in some way.
These tablets are held. How they feel in the hand is an obvious factor (sharp edges, slipperiness, texture). How much they weigh works here as well.
They are a visual experience (not for the blind), and so things like screen quality and light leaks matter. Fit and finish of the body is here as well. Even fingerprint-ability matters.
How it sounds when we tap it, flex it, open it, close it, dock it, etc., are audio experience factors. Does yours squeak a little when flexed? Tinny sound when tapped? These add in to build quality as they appeal (or don't) to your ears.
Smell is a minor player with tablets. Not much smell to any of them that I can tell. Still, if they had an off-gassing plastic smell or hot/burning smell we would think less of them.
Last is taste. Nothing to lick. Doesn't come into play here.
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Build Quality: Your senses comparing a thing to your experienced things that cost the same money. The more senses involved, the more important and emotional (to you) the purchase decision will be. The more you'll complain if the product dissappoints you in some way.
These tablets are held. How they feel in the hand is an obvious factor (sharp edges, slipperiness, texture). How much they weigh works here as well.
They are a visual experience (not for the blind), and so things like screen quality and light leaks matter. Fit and finish of the body is here as well. Even fingerprint-ability matters.
How it sounds when we tap it, flex it, open it, close it, dock it, etc., are audio experience factors. Does yours squeak a little when flexed? Tinny sound when tapped? These add in to build quality as they appeal (or don't) to your ears.
Smell is a minor player with tablets. Not much smell to any of them that I can tell. Still, if they had an off-gassing plastic smell or hot/burning smell we would think less of them.
Last is taste. Nothing to lick. Doesn't come into play here.
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Okay so according to your logic a tablet that is well finished off and looks nice and sounds nice but breaks after a week because you dropped it from a 2 ft height has good build quality, but a tablet that has sharp edges, flexes in plastic, smells odd, and looks like a brick but functions fine and does everything the same hardware wise and more and keeps working for a year straight has bad build quality?
I think you need to visit your nearest Apple store.
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Okay so according to your logic a tablet that is well finished off and looks nice and sounds nice but breaks after a week because you dropped it from a 2 ft height has good build quality, but a tablet that has sharp edges, flexes in plastic, smells odd, and looks like a brick but functions fine and does everything the same hardware wise and more and keeps working for a year straight has bad build quality?
I think you need to visit your nearest Apple store.
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Relax. The question was about build quality. It is an instant opinion you formed when you first held a device. What happens after that (breaking when dropped, functions fine or not) adds or subtracts to that starting opinion. When it subtracts, we get pissed because we spent alot of money. The more senses involved, the more pissed we get. When the performance (which also involves one or more senses) matches or exceeds build quality joy can ensue. I don't get where your vile comes from. I've got an iPad and a Transformer and the Acer Iconia tab. I'm a furniture and product designer/builder/educator. I buy and use and then evaluate electronics as a hobby for my blog.
I think people are just getting confused with the terms... there is quality control and there is build quality.
The Transformer seems to have good build quality generally, it's not made of awfully cheap materials and the corners aren't actually rough, like some cheap electronics you might buy from China or something.
It does seem like the Transformer may have hit some quality control niggles, which has nothing to do with poor build quality. Poor build quality is something that's done on purpose by the designers, poor quality control usually happens when somebody at the factory isn't doing their job.
Not saying the threads re. quality control are not valid, but as always it's always the people who had bad luck and got a faulty unit that come online to complain and get help.
So yeah, I think people need to learn the difference between quality control and build quality.
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I think people are just getting confused with the terms... there is quality control and there is build quality.
The Transformer seems to have good build quality generally, it's not made of awfully cheap materials and the corners aren't actually rough, like some cheap electronics you might buy from China or something.
It does seem like the Transformer may have hit some quality control niggles, which has nothing to do with poor build quality. Poor build quality is something that's done on purpose by the designers, poor quality control usually happens when somebody at the factory isn't doing their job.
Not saying the threads re. quality control are not valid, but as always it's always the people who had bad luck and got a faulty unit that come online to complain and get help.
So yeah, I think people need to learn the difference between quality control and build quality.
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That makes a lot of sense to me.
solid feeling, consistency, no creaking, screen issues, and fit and finish... aka bezels lining up etc.
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I think people are just getting confused with the terms... there is quality control and there is build quality.
The Transformer seems to have good build quality generally, it's not made of awfully cheap materials and the corners aren't actually rough, like some cheap electronics you might buy from China or something.
It does seem like the Transformer may have hit some quality control niggles, which has nothing to do with poor build quality. Poor build quality is something that's done on purpose by the designers, poor quality control usually happens when somebody at the factory isn't doing their job.
Not saying the threads re. quality control are not valid, but as always it's always the people who had bad luck and got a faulty unit that come online to complain and get help.
So yeah, I think people need to learn the difference between quality control and build quality.
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+100000000000000000000000 Seriously.
To be more specific, there are 3 different layers to what the end user might consider "quality". It all starts with a design idea, presented in both drawings and descriptions of what it does and how it should perform. One could hate the aesthetics even though they love the performance of it. Not black and white even here.
Follow with engineering. Pick the parts, spec the mechanics. Make it do what the designers described. Solve the technical details of how it all goes together. One could love the design (look) but not be fond of the processor chosen or material used for the case.
Then comes production. Here is where a set of parts gets put together then packaged. Humans in the factory make mistakes, and that is why some tablets are perfect while some have flaws. Production flaws. Not design flaws. Not enginnering flaws. Just a mistake someone made on that one identical set of parts when they did their part in putting it together.
"Build quality" is a vague and generalized term. How well the product survives a fall may be the engineer's fault. Light leaks sound like a production issue to me. If you don't like its feature set or looks, blame the designer. If your USB port doesn't work, blame production. If your USB port connects to everything but a specific scanner or printer that Asus never claimed it would work with, then blame yourself for expecting it to work.
To me build quality is defined as functionality...
I know that technically that isn't right, but I'm one of those people who values functionality and practicality more than just looks and design. I mean I want the nice things in life but i'd much rather have things (especially in regards to technology) that helped me perform better and give me an edge.
This is the reason why I don't buy apply products, whether they be laptops, ipods, iphones or ipads. To me apple products are 100% about aesthetics while making productivity secondary.
So to me, the TF has amazing build quality. It has added advanced productivity to my life while at the same time adding more entertainment. It is easy to use, it's not heavy and doesn't slow me down. I can hold it for long periods of time without being bothered. I enjoy looking at the screen and I enjoy typing long emails and editing documents on such a small device with the efficiency of something larger...
It also looks nice to me and feels solid. I haven't dropped it yet so i'm not sure how it would hold up to carelessness.
In all, I love it.
It's all subjective: as long as you like your device then it doesn't matter what others say.
I'm starting to think that there are just some people on here who like being argumentative. There is no set definition; clearly, people have qualms with the exterior of the tablet (whether you want to call it build quality or whatever).
THAT is what matters -- your own opinion of the device. Complaints don't just stop at "bad build quality", they go into much more detail about that complaint (whether it be because of creakiness, light bleed or uneven screen)
Build quality is not a technical term so I don't see why it must be defined as such. It's like trying to come up with a technical definition for "quality". Does that mean strength/durability? Comfortability(when holding)? Functionality? Structure flaws? Heck, all these "general" terms are more detailed than "build quality". Plus, are we using relative comparisons or using a fixed system?
If you like your device, then that's great. But, there are people out there who have problems with the "build quality" and these problem's aren't fictitious. It really doesn't matter to them if you think that your device is great and durable. (actually it shouldn't matter to anyone besides yourself) There is still an underlying problem that needs to be addressed. Defining of a vague term doesn't solve anything.
My 3 pennies...
The short version: It's whatever you think of it. Yours is a rhetorical question. There is no standard definition for "build quality," because there is no standard definition for "quality."
Anyway, in judging what is "good build quality," you are assuming that people can make rational evaluations of their purchase. Most can't. There is a whole host of biases in the way, ownership bias, cognitive dissonance, etc.
Do realize that there are currently VERY FEW rational reasons for buying a tablet, in that it is a discretionary item for most consumers. If you were basing your choice strictly on rational cost-benefit analysis, you would likely not be purchasing one.
Given that the underlying rationale is an emotive one, asking people to be rational is asking them to rationalize after the fact. Whatever answer you get is just that, a rationalization.
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[1]These tablets are held. How they feel in the hand is an obvious factor (sharp edges, slipperiness, texture). How much they weigh works here as well.
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9/10 the Transformers texture is excellent, i love the back and have never come to to dropping it, yet, , sharp edges??? it weighs a bit more than the 'others' but that adds to the solid feel of the device, i don't want something that blows away in the wind when i'm in the garden.
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[2]They are a visual experience (not for the blind), and so things like screen quality and light leaks matter. Fit and finish of the body is here as well. Even fingerprint-ability matters.
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10/10 I don't have any 'light leaks' (i've owned two and know of three others) i believe that to be over exagerated bollox
It's a 'glass capacitive screen', it's not going to be finger print resistent but it's better at it than my Desire HD.
Finsh of the body is mentioed above.
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[3]How it sounds when we tap it, flex it, open it, close it, dock it, etc., are audio experience factors. Does yours squeak a little when flexed? Tinny sound when tapped? These add in to build quality as they appeal (or don't) to your ears.
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9/10 It creaks when i pick it up by the dock by one corner but not nearly as much as my girlfriends Sony Vaio Laptop costing 5 times as much
Docking is now easy, i had 'problems' when i first tried it but now i just know how to do it properly, so that was my fault and not the Transformer
When i tap the glass it sounds like glass, when i tap the back it aounds like plastic, errrrr it is
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[4]Smell is a minor player with tablets. Not much smell to any of them that I can tell. Still, if they had an off-gassing plastic smell or hot/burning smell we would think less of them.
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I find that if i don't clean the screen it doesn't smell, if i clean it it smells of polish That's polish not Polish! they live next door!
Coming from Note 2, I'm so utterly disappointed by the Note 3 speaker. It's weak and has a very cheap sound. My Note 2 (now in my wife's possession) has a rich sound. I can't believe Samsung regressed on a very simple yet important feature. It always amazes me Samsung or HTC or Motorola hasn't surpassed Apple in Smartphone sales with Android being so superior to iOS. I always know why because these cheap sons of *****es are nowhere as serious and detail oriented as Apple when it comes to hardware. Apple really gives you premium components in all aspects of the phone. Think about it, Apple, Samsung, etc all charge about the same for the flagships. But Apple throws in the best antennas, sensors, screen, speaker, camera, processor, mmc, memory, now even a fingerprint scanner (even though I don't give a damn about it). What do others do? Go skimpy on components here and there. WTF? My Galaxy S3 for example got no reception while my wife's iPhone 4S was merrily surfing the Internet away at a July 4 fireworks venue. Same Sprint network. S3's antenna just stings like a MF. Samsung particularly is most shameful because they make so many components in house. If not for Android, Samsung etc. don't deserve to compete with Apple. Don't get me wrong. I hate Apple. But I love their hardware and their attitude to making the best hardware the industry possibly sees. I was hoping Apple drive the competition. But the competition falls asleep on the wheel. OMG.
I agree the external speaker is slightly better on the N2. My wife also has my mint titanium grey N2. However with a headset the difference is amazing far superior to the N2. I have been streaming music on my N3 all day in work from play music, and for me volume and quality are fine. Most of the sound features are designed for a headset on the N3. External speaker and mic pick up on speaker phone again seem better than the N2. It takes a bit of transitioning from the N2 to 3 but I am loving mine.
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Coming from Note 2, I'm so utterly disappointed by the Note 3 speaker. OMG.
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You and others hung up on the external speaker really need to get a grip. This is from another thread and says it best.
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The speaker is fine, it reminds me of the iphone speaker at the bottom. The way you hold the phone can also make it far more effective just as cupping your hands around your mouth to shout!
Nice knowing that setting the phone down on the table isn't going to muffle the sound!
I have experience in pro audio reinforcement/music production and sound is important but as previously mentioned it's ludicrous to expect a room filling sound from a transducer smaller than most tweeters on speaker systems!
If you want something to fill a room, check out the UE bluetooth speakers.
The mods will increase gain however the driver has absolute excursion limits as well as its driving amp and pushing the levels higher just results in compression and nasty distortion just like cranking your stereo amp into clipping. It won't damage your phone but sounds horrible!
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It's also not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be and there are advantages to it being on the bottom vs. the back where it's easy to block.
Here's my N2 taping a video playing playing on my N3 and vice versa. It's the same TV show (Modern Family) being played back on my cable company's video app minutes apart. Both phones are at max volume. The N3's flat on its back on a desk and the N2 is propped up in a Seidio kickstand case because it can't lie flat on its back without hobbling its audio. The recording distance is the same.
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If the external speaker is that important to you return your N3 and buy something else. Samsung's not going to change it so it is what it is.
I totally agree with the Op and have said since release day, the external sound quality is way too monophonic, it's so bad to my ears that I'm trying to sell my N3 and will keep my N2.
It's not just poor audio quality, it's overall system sounds, they're harsh.
Very cheap sounding speaker Samsung, shame on you.
I have no issue with the sound on this device.
LOL, If anyone is obsessed with a tiny speaker on a phone they need to buy a boombox, not a cell phone.
The sound on my N3 is 10 times better then what I had on my original Galaxy S.
I'm pleased with it.
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I have no issue with the sound on this device.
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I have no issues with speakers.
This one is a mystery to me as well. Given I haven't heard an HTC One that's supposed to sound really good, but if I'm listening to music or something for which I'd want really good sound quality, I'd hook it up to a dock or use headphones regardless of how good the little speaker on the thing is for its size. It's never going to hold a candle to headphones or a real set of speakers.
I must have a faulty phone then. Because even system alerts sound thin and monophonic on my n3.
On note 2 rich and full, a real contrast.
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LOL, If anyone is obsessed with a tiny speaker on a phone they need to buy a boombox, not a cell phone.
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LOL! Why settle with a 5,7" display when you can get a 65" plasma!! Pockability is a *****, isn't it?
I don't carry headphones with me all the time... in fact I rarely do. I just want to enjoy my phone. Ever heard of "multimedia" (key word being "multi")? It doesn't mean just a good screen. You need some audio to pair that video with and unfortunately the N3 just doesn't deliver in that department.
In my book, to buy a flagship device you don't want to settle with something just being good enough, you want something much better than average... well in my case I was actually willing to settle with just average. I wanted to get the N3 really bad but after comparing a youtube clip with weak audio with my N2 I realized that the N3 wasn't even average... it was worse than average. I'm keeping my N2 because both audio & video is better than average
/Tubgirl
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On note 2 rich and full, a real contrast.
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I used a N2 for almost a year. I agree the sound coming out of it had more detail than what's coming out of the N3 but to call it "rich, full, a real contrast" is putting the N2 on a pedestal it doesn't serve to be on. The N2 was a great phone but had plenty of strengths and weaknesses. The N3 is a great phone with plenty of strengths and weaknesses. The only thing that's changed is what's moved from one category to the other. At least to me, it would take a hell of a lot more than less detail coming from an external speaker for me to overlook all the material gains Samsung's achieved with the N3.
everything on the note 3 is way better than the note 2 apart from the speaker I did take mine back to the shop and had it replaced and my replacement sounded alot better so I think it's some speakers are better than others, but overall cracking phone love it
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LOL! Why settle with a 5,7" display when you can get a 65" plasma!! Pockability is a *****, isn't it?
I don't carry headphones with me all the time... in fact I rarely do. I just want to enjoy my phone. Ever heard of "multimedia" (key word being "multi")? It doesn't mean just a good screen. You need some audio to pair that video with and unfortunately the N3 just doesn't deliver in that department.
In my book, to buy a flagship device you don't want to settle with something just being good enough, you want something much better than average... well in my case I was actually willing to settle with just average. I wanted to get the N3 really bad but after comparing a youtube clip with weak audio with my N2 I realized that the N3 wasn't even average... it was worse than average. I'm keeping my N2 because both audio & video is better than average
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Going back to the N2's display, especially in bright sunlight, would be downright painful. And according to your argument that's a key part of "multimedia." Add to that the quality of sound the N3 puts out via BT and the 3.5mm jack which I listen to multimedia with 97% of the time and your whole argument seems a bit silly. Listening to anything for any length of time over any phone's external speaker isn't multimedia; it's either a necessity borne of no other options or just plain masochism.
I noticed that when I play music it sounds good and loud. However when I was on a phone call, the volume was very quiet out of the speaker. It could have been because of the other person I was talking to, but I'm not sure.
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I noticed that when I play music it sounds good and loud. However when I was on a phone call, the volume was very quiet out of the speaker. It could have been because of the other person I was talking to, but I'm not sure.
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I've had to take two conference calls of over an hour each using the the N3's external speaker. The sound is plenty loud. In fact, the thinness everyone's complaining about doesn't come across in phone calls because the content (people's voices) is pretty constant. On the plus side, the three mics and noise cancellation of the N3 got positive comments from people on the receiving end of the conference calls and those on my side didn't have to do a football huddle over the N3 to be clearly heard.
I don't know about the quality. I don't use it to listen to music.
But the volume is considerably lower than the S4.
LOL!!!...if u bought the note 3 for sound, or was expecting Bose to come outta there then u purchased the wrong phone lol....The note 3 is a maestro at multitasking..a literal powerhouse...I mean this phone rivals most laptops.
Take a moment to appreciate the awesome sexy piece of tech in ur hands
I only use the external speaker when im in the shower. I dislike people who walk around with their speaker volume up ...I dont wanna hear what you are listening to. People that complain about the stereo speaker need to get over themselves.
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I only use the external speaker when im in the shower. I dislike people who walk around with their speaker volume up ...I dont wanna hear what you are listening to. People that complain about the stereo speaker need to get over themselves.
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I couldn't care less what you like hearing. The quality of sound isn't great from the Note 3, that's my point. I'm used to a better sound from my Note 2. Hopefully devs will sort this out in favour of the Note 3 shortly anyway.
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like the G5 is catching a lot crap for almost no reason at all... I've had mine for 1 week now, and no major issues to speak of. It functions as it should, build quality is nearly perfect, and it just works... As the title states, this is all my opinion, so let me break some things down...
Screen bleed: This is bound to happen with most all LCD devices. Even your LCD television will have this issue if the room and screen are dark enough. Some of you that have posted pictures do in fact have a relevant reason for return as it is pretty bad. But also, some of you are just being entirely too picky.
AUX audio noise: This device is native 24bit lossless at 192kHz... MOST of the "cheap" aux cables you buy at the store just don't have the quality wiring inside that you need for this device, and will give you the audio hiss. You're gonna want something that is Audiophile grade (this just simply means high quality), with a thicker wire, better connectors, etc. The basic run of the mill cables just aren't gonna cut it with this device. I ended up going with THIS cable, and my hiss went away. (Your results may vary)
The chin gap: This is directly related to how the battery clips in. The connectors inside the phone are spring loaded and very slightly push back against the battery. On top of that, they are there are two parts that are simply being "snapped" together, so there is bound to be a gap. Again, I too have this "issue" on my phone, but it is so minor that it doesn't really matter. (It's also completely hidden by my case now too) I wouldn't say this is a lack of QC, but rather just certain individuals wanting perfection from a non-perfect world. It's just not gonna happen. An idea for LG, may be to put 2 very small rare earth magnets on either end of the chin module to help combat the spring push from inside the phone?
The clicky power button: Really people? It's a click style power button to begin with. While I will agree the button cap (the part we actually see) could be a bit better than what it is, why is this even a quality complaint? Those of you that are shaking your phone in a silent room and "hearing" the button move are probably mistaken. While the button does have minuscule movement to it, what you are actually hearing is the OIS sensor moving. It's supposed to if you shake the phone.
TL;DR: Complaints are fine if they are legitimate. But most of these are not. It's nothing more than a case of people being far too finicky over the build of a launch device. One can ALWAYS expect to run into SOMETHING they don't like about a first launch device, but should not haze the device to the point of making it potentially fail. If you want things fixed, yes report them, but also look into solutions. Don't haze the product to the point that it scares others away from an otherwise beautifully designed and wonderful product.
Your opinions are always welcome, so let's keep this thread mature if you post. And thank you for reading mine.
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Those of you that are shaking your phone in a silent room and "hearing" the button move are probably mistaken. While the button does have minuscule movement to it, what you are actually hearing is the OIS sensor moving. It's supposed to if you shake the phone..
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I have to nitpick here (sorry!). If you lightly hold the button still as you shake the device, there is no noticeable sound. Yet there is certainly a sound from the shaken button and although I am not too familiar with the OIS sensor (I think it has something to do with correcting shaky hands like mine ruining photos?), I am quite sure it is not located in the power button.
However, I cannot yet say I have any complaints about the phone. The button does not actually bother me at all, nor do any of the other complaints I have read here or otherwise. I really think the G5 is an exceptional, well crafted device and I love it! :good:
Had mine for a few days now and I have none of these so called issues. I'm getting really bored of all the comments in the g5 forum, no other forum on this site has to deal with all these comparisons. I don't understand why people that don't even have the phone come here on a daily basis, you prefer the s7 then go, if your holding out for etc m10 then leave. I personally love mine. The only issue I have with this phone at the moment is this forum, you come here for help and all you get it BS.
I'm not sure what the deal is either. The media seems to be running with the "this phone is a mess" story for whatever reason. Could the phone use some more refinement? Can they fix some manufacturing and QC issues? Sure, but it seems they're throwing out a really great combination of hardware and features for no good reason that I can determine. Perhaps the preview models were noticeably worse than production? It's also seems to be random things... Nexus 6P has large sensor bar on back, gloss over it. LG G5 has large sensor bar on back, "goodness the design is terrible". It's just weird. I'm also of the opinion that the rough chamfer is intentional for grip, not a QC issue. Would be interesting to hear LG"s take on that just like their explanation of the microdized finish which allowed them to get rid of the antenna bars. People keep using terms like half baked or not thought out but when you hear from the design team it sounds like that isn't close to being the truth. I can get why some folks might not agree with their choices but I'm not sure about the overall panning that seems to be going on. They're using their own patented aluminum for the phone for goodness' sake, who else is developing their own proprietary materials? I dunno, I guess I'm just in the minority on this one for whatever reason.
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Had mine for a few days now and I have none of these so called issues. I'm getting really bored of all the comments in the g5 forum, no other forum on this site has to deal with all these comparisons. I don't understand why people that don't even have the phone come here on a daily basis, you prefer the s7 then go, if your holding out for etc m10 then leave. I personally love mine. The only issue I have with this phone at the moment is this forum, you come here for help and all you get it BS.
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Right? You'd think you were on xda-fashionistas with all the whining about how the phone looks/feels compared to x, y, or z. I thought this forum was supposed to be about development and had a technical lean, but it seems like more than half the people here are either trying to start arguments about why they prefer the S7 or complaining about how their 9th trade-in phone has a sub-millimeter gap with the removable module.
Note: This is not an invitation for someone to come in and defend themselves about why they're upset about the primer/paint or the unnoticeable screen bleed. I bought a hand-held computer, not a purse. I came to this forum to talk about the phone functionality, not listen to people tell me that the phone I bought is inferior because of something that has nothing to do with how the phone functions.
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Note: This is not an invitation for someone to come in and defend themselves about why they're upset about the primer/paint or the unnoticeable screen bleed. I bought a hand-held computer, not a purse. I came to this forum to talk about the phone functionality, not listen to people tell me that the phone I bought is inferior because of something that has nothing to do with how the phone functions.
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Couldn't agree more.
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I have to nitpick here (sorry!). If you lightly hold the button still as you shake the device, there is no noticeable sound. Yet there is certainly a sound from the shaken button and although I am not too familiar with the OIS sensor (I think it has something to do with correcting shaky hands like mine ruining photos?), I am quite sure it is not located in the power button.
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Sorry to double post... But yes, you are correct. Just tested this on mine. I still have to say tho... It's not as big a deal as many are making it out to be.
I just got my pink G5 yesterday, was at the shop and been through 3 units, first one had the silver line missing underneath the release hatch or scratched off, unit 2 soft white color burn on the screen when all color showing using a test app, on the unit 3, found a small dint just right at the edge between the main unit and battery adapter, but kept it, and didn't care about it as it isn't really noticable unless you really look close, it also has the light bleed when I checked this in a dark room, I have 14 days to return it, if i decide to, but yeh they all have minor problem, this isn't just LG, and i'm very picky but decide to keep the 3rd unit, it's solid built, works well and I really like it.
If people are have problems with their unit and can't accept it, exchange it or get a different phone, no one is forcing you to keep it.
I haven't had the gap issue and just went into the bathroom, no light bleed. Maybe there is a QC problem and I got a solid one? I'm not complaining. I know I'll have the monthly security update in six months while S7 people are still on June.
I'm surprised that the complain threads are allowed to go on. It not only hurts the site,it hurts the company that made the phones. I think some of the writers that review these phones are abusing their power and becoming a bit reckless.
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same here, this phone is dope. had the g2 then the g4 now this and havent really been disappointed with any of them. got used to ux 5 pretty quick. not in any rush to root stock feels so smooth once set up. ability to disable the bloat apps is cool. wide angle camera is super cool and the fingerprint scanner is actually really fast idk why people keep mentioning it being slow in reviews.
The clicky power button is annoying, but i'm trying not to use it. The chin gap worries me when it comes to water. Mainly though, people are just too picky.
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The clicky power button is annoying, but i'm trying not to use it. The chin gap worries me when it comes to water. Mainly though, people are just too picky.
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A bit of rain or a splash here and there probably won't be a concern, even with the design of this phone. There's a video out of someone putting it in a sink full of water for 2 minutes and it survives just fine. I would not advise taking it in the shower or pool tho.
I for one love my G5. Started with the G2, fell in love with the rear buttons, migrated briefly to the Nexus 5X (couldn't live without Knock features and rear buttons), and now to the G5.
The G5 is really an evolution of the Nexus 5X, they are almost identical in physical size, except the fingerprint scanner is a smaller diameter, which is the cause of the semi-flakiness. It's too easy to just mash your finger across the sensor and miss the portion that got 'enrolled'. This can be addressed by enrolling your finger multiple times to get a larger portion of your finger tip, I've also found that my phone case helps guide just the tip of your finger to the scanner which greatly increases reliability!
It seems the G5 has been held to a different review standard than other devices due to its modularity. Instead of reviewing the G5 on its own merits plus cool potential for modules, it has been mostly reviewed on the merits of its lack luster existing modules and the weak stock launcher missing an app drawer. If I reviewed a new laptop I wouldn't judge it based on the available accessories, that would be ridiculous! The device reviews should stand on their own, anything else is just a cherry on top.
I don't see anyone mentioning the great call quality, the fantastic signal strength, and hardly any mention of the IR blaster! That thing is so useful - you can change TV channels at the gym, in hospitals, or on your couch if you can't reach the remote. Plus we have USB-C, I can't tell you how great a reversible connector is - no more fumbling at night trying to plug in, got used to this on the NX5 and won't go back.
Here are the main gripes summarized so we can see how ridiculously picky these are -
Light bleed (I would never have even known if I hadn't downloaded a specific app to test this!)
Finger print scanner flaky (see above, this is a non-issue)
Build quality issues (no doubt these do exist in some form or another on every device! my phone is fine)
Missing app drawer (use a 3rd party launcher or Home 4.0 from smart world)
Aesthetic (do you use a case?)
By the way, if you boost the DPI of your screen through ADB the usage experience gets much better! Mine is set to 540.
I think people have been too hard on this phone too, honestly. I just got it today and am pleased I have no chin gap, screen bleed, ECT.
Coming from the "Lagaxy S6" that I got on release because they promised me that the battery and performance would be the best thing since Jesus walked the earth was an absolute lie. I have never owned a phone with more horrible screen on and stand by time in my entire life. It was smooth for the first couple weeks and the usual lag came back (their apologists will never admit it and claim its been fixed) as well as the horrible RAM management fiasco.
Oh my god, what a joy to have a speedy keyboard, a fast messaging app, a phone that actually doesn't chew endless percentage points off my battery with the screen off, and apps still being in memory after a few minutes, I am in heaven. Oh and the spare battery module is nice, as well as the IR blaster someone else mentioned above. I was going to get the HTC 10 but after AndroidCentrals guys kept saying the battery really wasn't special I knew what j needed to do.
Thank you LG, you saved me from a year of absolute hell.
I too think the complaints are a bit too much. G2 , G3, and now G5 user. Haven't found even one negative so far with the G5. Love it!
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I too think the complaints are a bit too much. G2 , G3, and now G5 user. Haven't found even one negative so far with the G5. Love it!
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Yep, I have not had any of the app crashes, LED bleeding, major chin issues ect that others have mentioned. This has honestly been my best battery life phone since the Galaxy S2 FIVE YEARS AGO. That is insane and quite telling to me, I am glad LG got this right. This is the first LG phone I have ever owned and it makes me wish I had tried their other offerings in the past, I may have been much happier. Once I get my other battery I will slap it in after work at 100% and likely will never have to worry about running out of battery again. I hope LG keeps up this trend because there are definitely a lot of us here who appreciate them being one of the last major flagship carriers to offer this feature.
Speaking of removal battery, I remember how people were literally foaming at the mouth at the loss of such features in other flagships, yet LG listened to smartphone enthusiasts and gave them more options than most other manufacturers. They definitely deserve way more credit for giving the consumer options.
I have never cared for a device's design and I'm not going to start now.
I do think the paint thingy is a good idea in order to hide the antenna lines but it seems to come off very easily, so a case would be mandatory.
Secondly, there are some QC issues across the board when it comes to the paint thingy, light bleeding out the screen, and a variable gap size where the module clips.
When you take into consideration that these days design is (almost) everything, hence the build quality, there's the rant about the G5. In all fairness, if similar issues would have arisen, Samsung or Apple would have also taken a beating.
That being said, even if I would receive a perfectly well built G5, I would still be semi disappointed :
- no camera improvement in low light situations (lights bleeding), although it is still one of the top performers
- no manual controls over filming while is was possible on the V10, why? It is clearly entirely possible since it seems to be a software development choice. I don't get it, LG says the G5 takes after the V10 but it lacks a native high quality DAC (the module is somewhat expensive and not available everywhere) and video manual controls
- this is a killer, only 32 gigs (same base storage since the G2 of old) of internal storage with no possibility to move apps the the SD card nor to convert the SD card into adoptable storage (though I would do it with ADB)
Even if it was possible natively to convert the SD card into adoptable storage, some apps like Spotify would then download everything directly to the small internal storage. I don't know why storage hasn't become a massive issue yet when you consider that OS (and skins like the LG UI), apps and photos aren't getting smaller anytime soon !
On the other hand, I love the secondary wide lens, but I fear it would be too much work to enjoy the G5 as it is. I am already juggling with different storage spaces with my G4 (internal, 128 gigs SD card, cloud and external (backups on my PC)). I need a lot of stuff offline since I'm travelling abroad quite a bit, so streaming content (Google photos, Spotify) is not always an available option.
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I'm surprised that the complain threads are allowed to go on. It not only hurts the site,it hurts the company that made the phones. I think some of the writers that review these phones are abusing their power and becoming a bit reckless.
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Im even more surprised that this trend of starting threads to actively discredit people with legitimate issues is being allowed at all. When people have issues with a device IT SHOULD HURT THE COMPANY. Treating a massive multi billion dollar world wide corporation like its some sort of tiny start up charity is ridiculous.
You dont want the forum having complaints because it hurts the community somehow? From where im sitting what hurts the community is misleading ignorant crap like what the OP is trying to pull. Trying to convince people nothing is wrong in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary is harmful to a community, only further hurts the reputation of the phone further. What do you think will happen when someone reads a thread like this and goes to buy the phone and finds out all the things he read where true? There goes the credibility of the community just because of some goofy ass notion that a device needs defended from itself.
Screen bleed: This is bound to happen with most all LCD devices. Even your LCD television will have this issue if the room and screen are dark enough. Some of you that have posted pictures do in fact have a relevant reason for return as it is pretty bad. But also, some of you are just being entirely too picky.
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OK find us another flagship phone with LCD screens that had even remotely close to this much backlight bleeding. Ill wait.
Didnt have that issue with my HTC one m8 or my Sony z3v. Dont have that issue with my gaming monitors either. QUALITY LCD panels DO NOT have noticeable backlight bleed. Its a staple of cheap poorly made budget panels.
AUX audio noise: This device is native 24bit lossless at 192kHz... MOST of the "cheap" aux cables you buy at the store just don't have the quality wiring inside that you need for this device, and will give you the audio hiss. You're gonna want something that is Audiophile grade (this just simply means high quality), with a thicker wire, better connectors, etc. The basic run of the mill cables just aren't gonna cut it with this device. I ended up going with THIS cable, and my hiss went away. (Your results may vary)
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Not even remotely close to true at all. The fact that you think the onboard snapdragon DAC is audiophile grade is cute but wildly incorrect. The fact that you think cables can cause this issue is even more incorrect. You dont need any sort of special size for headphone cables to be high quality thats just plain ignorance. We are talking tiny amounts of power not some 1200 watt amp powering 2 OHM subs. Go look at audiophile grade IEMs they dont run large cables at all. Your defense is flat out wrong, what causes that hiss is a number of things but nearly all would be internal. Poor internal shielding, defects in the amp etc. Cables are not going to cause this unless they are cut, or flat out defective.
Also, as a side note lossless would be your music files not the DAC, no special cables are required for higher quality audio and 9 times out of 10 that "thicker high grade" cable is just plastic and crap with the exact same amount of copper as the tiny ****.
Chin gap never bothered me so ill leave that.
The clicky power button: Really people? It's a click style power button to begin with. While I will agree the button cap (the part we actually see) could be a bit better than what it is, why is this even a quality complaint? Those of you that are shaking your phone in a silent room and "hearing" the button move are probably mistaken. While the button does have minuscule movement to it, what you are actually hearing is the OIS sensor moving. It's supposed to if you shake the phone.
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There is an issue at play here where the outer part of the button with the fingerprint sensor is coming unglued from the rest of it. Then its a matter of time before it moves the wrong way and you lose the fingerprint scanner altogether Thats the main reason you see people complaining and returning them because of the power button. The guy at my verizon store said thats the main reason he sees them coming back.
This notion that because you like the phone that you should stick your head in the sand and ignore the issues it has while trying to discredit anyone with actual issues is stupid. So is this mentality that people shouldnt be allowed to discuss said issues here. Just because you like the phone dont mean you get to sweep away all the negative attention its getting and pretend its all unicorns and rainbows in G5 land.
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Im even more surprised that this trend of starting threads to actively discredit people with legitimate issues is being allowed at all. When people have issues with a device IT SHOULD HURT THE COMPANY. Treating a massive multi billion dollar world wide corporation like its some sort of tiny start up charity is ridiculous.
You dont want the forum having complaints because it hurts the community somehow? From where im sitting what hurts the community is misleading ignorant crap like what the OP is trying to pull. Trying to convince people nothing is wrong in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary is harmful to a community, only further hurts the reputation of the phone further. What do you think will happen when someone reads a thread like this and goes to buy the phone and finds out all the things he read where true? There goes the credibility of the community just because of some goofy ass notion that a device needs defended from itself.
OK find us another flagship phone with LCD screens that had even remotely close to this much backlight bleeding. Ill wait.
Didnt have that issue with my HTC one m8 or my Sony z3v. Dont have that issue with my gaming monitors either. QUALITY LCD panels DO NOT have noticeable backlight bleed. Its a staple of cheap poorly made budget panels.
Not even remotely close to true at all. The fact that you think the onboard snapdragon DAC is audiophile grade is cute but wildly incorrect. The fact that you think cables can cause this issue is even more incorrect. You dont need any sort of special size for headphone cables to be high quality thats just plain ignorance. We are talking tiny amounts of power not some 1200 watt amp powering 2 OHM subs. Go look at audiophile grade IEMs they dont run large cables at all. Your defense is flat out wrong, what causes that hiss is a number of things but nearly all would be internal. Poor internal shielding, defects in the amp etc. Cables are not going to cause this unless they are cut, or flat out defective.
Also, as a side note lossless would be your music files not the DAC, no special cables are required for higher quality audio and 9 times out of 10 that "thicker high grade" cable is just plastic and crap with the exact same amount of copper as the tiny ****.
Chin gap never bothered me so ill leave that.
There is an issue at play here where the outer part of the button with the fingerprint sensor is coming unglued from the rest of it. Then its a matter of time before it moves the wrong way and you lose the fingerprint scanner altogether Thats the main reason you see people complaining and returning them because of the power button. The guy at my verizon store said thats the main reason he sees them coming back.
This notion that because you like the phone that you should stick your head in the sand and ignore the issues it has while trying to discredit anyone with actual issues is stupid. So is this mentality that people shouldnt be allowed to discuss said issues here. Just because you like the phone dont mean you get to sweep away all the negative attention its getting and pretend its all unicorns and rainbows in G5 land.
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Well said, I had 3 replacements before i anally gave up and sent the phone back. This doesn't mean i didn't like the phone, i did, i really did but I am not going to pretend those issues dont exist and or will not arise in the future.
I want a device that is future proof not only in terms of performance but build quality. A blazing fast CPU is of no use if you dont have a working button to turn the phone on or off.