Am I going crazy? Legit question! - Xoom General
I AM NOT TRYING TO TROLL!!!! THIS IS A LEGIT QUESTION!!!
Ok so I got the Xoom and love it. Nice speed good UI and everything. Now I have noticed something unusual but has not be brought up and I don't know if its because I am going crazy or if it is infact Honeycomb "holding back."
If you look on the specs for the Xoom it states you have 1gb of RAM built into the device. Now if you go under Settings and into Applications and so forth to look up how much each app is using memory/RAM wise it shows 512mb. Now I understand some can be reserved for OS usage but isn't that what "Google Services" are on that bar?
Just trying to see if maybe they are really dedicating 512mb for the OS (which I think is insane!) or if that Honeycomb is actually not taking advantage of its full 1gb RAM.
If you don't believe me go to Verizon Wireless's site and look at the spec at the bottom of the page for the Xoom. 1GB ram is sitting right there.
Not trying to start a conspiracy or stir the pot or even troll. Just trying to wonder where that other 512mb is actually going to!
You should probably put the question in the thread title... People who might be able to help you will only skip these arbitrary, general titles that have nothing to to with the actual question.
I checked and it only shows 512 MB but that's only accounting for storage. I'm sure the other half is reserved for different purposes like the OS.
here's from my xoom right now:
Code:
bash-3.2# cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal: 736512 kB
MemFree: 117164 kB
Buffers: 71468 kB
Cached: 198068 kB
SwapCached: 0 kB
Active: 287424 kB
Inactive: 241136 kB
Active(anon): 142840 kB
Inactive(anon): 117100 kB
Active(file): 144584 kB
Inactive(file): 124036 kB
Unevictable: 296 kB
Mlocked: 0 kB
HighTotal: 0 kB
HighFree: 0 kB
LowTotal: 736512 kB
LowFree: 117164 kB
SwapTotal: 0 kB
SwapFree: 0 kB
Dirty: 12 kB
Writeback: 0 kB
AnonPages: 259320 kB
Mapped: 56912 kB
Shmem: 620 kB
Slab: 23636 kB
SReclaimable: 12116 kB
SUnreclaim: 11520 kB
KernelStack: 5416 kB
PageTables: 12496 kB
NFS_Unstable: 0 kB
Bounce: 0 kB
WritebackTmp: 0 kB
CommitLimit: 368256 kB
Committed_AS: 5581780 kB
VmallocTotal: 122880 kB
VmallocUsed: 60472 kB
VmallocChunk: 12292 kB
Thats exactly what was I was thinking maybe the 512mb is reserved for the OS services. But what confuses me the most if that is the case why so much RAM dedicated to that? I mean with the current ports it doesnt have that "vanishing" RAM but I do understand those are simply ports of HoneyComb and not the actual OS
Am I really the only one who thinks 512mb for reserving for OS processes is a little extreme?
Also how do I change the title of the thread Sorry just don't know hwo to do that on here since I really don't post much I am just a reader
Video ram probably takes a chunk. If you ever hit that 512 limit, let me know.
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Video ram probably takes a chunk. If you ever hit that 512 limit, let me know.
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Ya I am not saying I will ever hit the current 512mb limit I am just curious as to why. Also if a chunk of it is for video then why have a dedicated Tegra chip? Wasn't that to basically "take the brunt" of the video processing needed.
Keep in mind I am not trying to prove someone wrong or say your facts are wrong, I am just saying this is very unusual and just trying to find out why exactly. True it could be one of those that is the way they made it but isn't anyone else even curious?
I don't want to be like an old man standing at a self-checkout register looking amazed because its "magic" lol
Handshake87 said:
Ya I am not saying I will ever hit the current 512mb limit I am just curious as to why. Also if a chunk of it is for video then why have a dedicated Tegra chip? Wasn't that to basically "take the brunt" of the video processing needed.
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The GPU needs memory to function. Ever noticed on a notebook with integrated graphics, there's a chunk of RAM unavailable? Same thing here--the GPU doesn't have its own dedicated RAM, it shares RAM with the CPU.
In the memory dump above, you'll notice around 740MB available right from the start. One can assume that the other 260MB or so has been allocated to the GPU. Then, some of the 740MB is allocated to the OS, and the rest is available for apps.
My numbers aren't precise (no time to do the real math), but I think the principle's sound.
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Also how do I change the title of the thread Sorry just don't know hwo to do that on here since I really don't post much I am just a reader
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You can edit your post then go to advanced. There you should be able to edit everything. Glad that people can help you out. I never wondered about the RAM since it's running smooth!
I have noticed the same thing on my 2 xooms (swapped one out due to defect) using the system monitor app from the market. My inspire 4g with 768m shows 400mb free on a fresh boot while the xoom I have never seen with more than 320 . I guess it reserves it for video, like how the galaxy S's have 512 but 128 reserved by video at all times.
It is reserved for the os because Honeycomb is newborn so google is still working to reduce the amount of the os. Right now I only have 365 mb free. But android os is smart enough like we all know it'll shift the unused one to the app that is using it. So why bother?
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Meminfo ?
I may be missing something, but on my Nexus One, doing `cat /proc/meminfo` shows Memtotal: 217812 kB Huh? I thought this phone had 512 MB
it does. alot of the ram is reserved for the Android OS. Similarly, the mytouch 3G had 192MB RAM but only 97MB were usable by Applications.
That's a lot of reserved ram, Odd that my friend's Droid shows MemTotal: 230860 kB Can you confirm that my value is correct for the Nexus One? I want to be sure before I root and void the warranty (In case of bad RAM)
its correct, theres been at least 2 other threads about this. also if you had bad ram you wouldnt be seeing a lower amount of ram, you simply would experience alot of crashes (assuming the phone even started up)
I apologize for the duplicate thread. Seems my searching skills are not up to par.... Thanks for your help.
xperia x10 hardware ram
i heared that the x10 only have 256 mb ram , and the asian version is the version who has 384 ,not the worldwide version ,so what is the truth
Well, gsm arena has 384Mb in their spec list. Unfortunately android 1.6 can "see" only 256Mb so, no idea how much really has. We will know for sure when we will get android 2.1. Also at that point we will know if the display has 16mil colors or only 65k
I'm also curious to know howmuch RAM does that beast actually have. Somewhere I read that only the Japanese X10 from DOCOMO has 384 Mb RAM Sent from my X10i using Tapatalk
Higgins12 said: I'm also curious to know howmuch RAM does that beast actually have. Somewhere I read that only the Japanese X10 from DOCOMO has 384 Mb RAM Sent from my X10i using Tapatalk Click to expand... Click to collapse The japanese version runs android 1.6 but still has 384 mb ram. but the x10i and X10a versions are said to have only 256 mb ram. may be SE has locked some ram in the x10i and the X10a just like Htc did for the leo european version.
From dmsg: ... <6>[ 0.000000] usb serial_number = CB511GYDBV <6>[ 0.000000] usb product_name = Sony Ericsson X10i <3>[ 0.000000] Unknown boot option `androidboot.hardware=es209ra': ignoring <4>[ 0.000000] PID hash table entries: 2048 (order: 11, 8192 bytes) <6>[ 0.000000] Dentry cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) <6>[ 0.001126] Inode-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) <6>[ 0.029960] Memory: 224MB 127MB = 351MB total <--------- THE MEMORY <5>[ 0.030006] Memory: 273664KB available (4456K code, 1250K data, 140K init) <6>[ 0.030546] Calibrating delay loop... 255.59 BogoMIPS (lpj=1277952) ... Ciao Angelo
ardf69 said: From dmsg: ... <6>[ 0.000000] usb serial_number = CB511GYDBV <6>[ 0.000000] usb product_name = Sony Ericsson X10i <3>[ 0.000000] Unknown boot option `androidboot.hardware=es209ra': ignoring <4>[ 0.000000] PID hash table entries: 2048 (order: 11, 8192 bytes) <6>[ 0.000000] Dentry cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) <6>[ 0.001126] Inode-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) <6>[ 0.029960] Memory: 224MB 127MB = 351MB total <--------- THE MEMORY <5>[ 0.030006] Memory: 273664KB available (4456K code, 1250K data, 140K init) <6>[ 0.030546] Calibrating delay loop... 255.59 BogoMIPS (lpj=1277952) ... Ciao Angelo Click to expand... Click to collapse this nearly 384
256MB RAM 128MB video memory or VRAM
i mentioned it b4 here & here
And how much ram the Nexus One has? 512mb all for the system? IMO the ram is VERY important, and if the X10 only has 256mb for the system and the HTC Desire or de N1 has the double (n1) or more (HTC desire) i think i will make the change...
Don't clog up the dev forums with this stuff this is exactly what general Is for
Nexus one has a full 512 for system. I also thought the x10 has 384 as mentioned by gsmarena. Might return mine for an acer liquid e now ------------------------------------- Sent from my X10a
Don't clog up the dev forums with this stuff this is exactly what general Is for Click to expand... Click to collapse +1 ------------------------------------- Sent via the XDA Tapatalk App
sory my mistake please move it mods
Legend112 said: +1 ------------------------------------- Sent via the XDA Tapatalk App Click to expand... Click to collapse Only a mod can move the thread can't they? Since its not moved yet - I've done a test with my X10i. Using the system panel app with 51% of memory used there is (49% left of course) 130.2MB available, so there must be at least 260.4MB free to the user, and there is a lot used by the system too. 130.2/49 = 1% of user available ram = 2.657 MB (to 3 decimal places) 2.657MB x 100 = approximately 100% of user available ram = 265.7MB 265.7MB is more than 256MB of ram without system memory added to the total. With my old t-mobile pulse which had 192MB of ram, only 90-something MB was available to the user, with 102 used by system etc. So there is probably 384MB of ram in all X10's. EDIT:
the X10i look like have 384Mb RAM, but it's not detailled : http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x10-2964.php The Nexus One have 512 Mb, not detailled too : http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_google_nexus_one-3069.php But the X10 is look better than Nexus1 in fact... better Photos, better Videos, better pretty... speed look a little bit the same... perhaps more slowly with much applications executed at the same time.. In France, the Nexus1 is cheaper than X10, but i decide to buy the X10... more design, better photos, Videos, .... I use to have an iPhone 3G, photos and videos are really poor... but applications are really GOOD... but i'm not a player...
Off my X10a: Code: *$ cat /proc/meminfo cat /proc/meminfo MemTotal: 274608 kB MemFree: 7464 kB Buffers: 108 kB Cached: 33080 kB SwapCached: 0 kB Active: 110884 kB Inactive: 117880 kB Active(anon): 96816 kB Inactive(anon): 100984 kB Active(file): 14068 kB Inactive(file): 16896 kB Unevictable: 1124 kB Mlocked: 0 kB SwapTotal: 0 kB SwapFree: 0 kB Dirty: 0 kB Writeback: 0 kB AnonPages: 196716 kB Mapped: 23468 kB Slab: 8160 kB SReclaimable: 2028 kB SUnreclaim: 6132 kB PageTables: 17236 kB NFS_Unstable: 0 kB Bounce: 0 kB WritebackTmp: 0 kB CommitLimit: 137304 kB Committed_AS: 6417160 kB VmallocTotal: 1179648 kB VmallocUsed: 152160 kB VmallocChunk: 951292 kB
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Sorry, that I post in an old topic... Android system info and Quadrant are showing 280MB RAM. Quadrant shows also 100MB unused, it's not the free RAM, I had 50MB RAM free when I locked at it, so my question is: Can we activate these 100MB somehow? That would help big games and when a lot of apps are running simultaneous...
only if you crack bootloader.
Htc hd mini only 256 RAM??
true or false?..all aplications show about 256 ram and all the time memory usage is about 70 % who can suggest something?
its 297 corectly... check yourselves...
kuceens007 said: its 297 corectly... check yourselves... Click to expand... Click to collapse And in fact it is 384. But the 87MB that you can't see are used for PagePool, radio and so much more
576 mb and Leo_RADIO_2.12.50.02_2
This is the best radio for me, tha latest has bad signal reception. Typing free on terminal reveals 423816 RAM Subtracting 128mb out of 576mb gives a greater number. From what I have read, only the latest radio gives 576mb, so what can I do?
It all depends whether you (or the system) are displaying 'the number of megabytes available' or actual megabytes. The discrepancy comes from 1 Meg being 1024 k,, 576 Meg should be seen by the system as 589824 kilobytes, but rather than give you free memory manufacturers sometimes actually give you 576000 kilobytes which converts to 562.5 Meg, but they can say '576 meg' because we all know that a thousand kilosomethings are a megasomething, so 576000 kilophants is obviously 576 megaphants, right? course! not. Also, the way it is displayed to you makes a difference, because one app may say 'you have 100 megabytes free' whilst the next program says 'Free RAM 102.4MB' both are correct and the same, 100megabytes = 102400KB = 102.4MB (but not really 102.4MB, thats just maths taking 102400 kilo and turning into mega, , its wrong, but it happens a lot when a display converts a large number into less digits, ) Hard disk manufacturers do something similar, when you buy a 1gig hard disk you actually get 1000 x 1000KB which is 976.5MB, or less often 1000 x 1024 = 1000MB but we THINK we are buying 1024 x 1024 kilobytes to give 1048.5MB, or 1 actual real gigabyte. Also, your current radio should unlock the ram so long as the rom is compatible. Your figure of 423816 ram converts to 413MB, and my phone shows '412MB ram', which is as close as i need. Im sure ive made some glaring maths slip up there (im a little ston,,err distracted, , but the point is you never really know if you are looking at real megabytes or marketing megabytes, or mathematical megabytes, so figures around what you expect are generally ok.
576mb RAM?
I am wondering what is the deal with our HD2 (TMOUS version I have), supposedly our phones have 576mb of ram internally, but on every rom I have tried I am limiting to something much lower according to running services or quaddrant system info, I have flashed 2.15.50.14 radio which is supposed to have the 576mb of ram, from my understanding the phone shares 128mb of ram for video which leaves 448mb to use but I don't even have that according to running services. According to my phone I am using 90mb of ram and 292mb are free which is a grand total of 382mb of ram my phone has access to, where is the other ram?? I am getting really frustrated searching google and stuff trying to find answers, I know its a difference of about 64mb that I think im missing here but its the principle that our phones should have 576mb of ram and im over here getting 382 on every rom I try. Anyone have some ideas on this?? I would like to add that I just checked quadrant system information and this is what it says. Memory: Total: 421004 KB Free: 172356 KB Inactive: 46692 KB Doesn't this mean about 50mb of ram is inactive? I don't understand the deal with that.
The missing ram is taken by the GPU.
Please reread my post completely, I think you missed something, I covered the gpu using some of the ram in my original post.
i would say those figures are 421MB total ram, 172MB out of 421MB is genuinely free, and 46MB is loaded with apps that have stopped but not been unloaded from memory. Example, mine says 421004 80228 85188 i start a few programs and go back to quadrant, and it changes to 421004 85140 88916 As mentioned, the graphics chipset takes up 128 meg, and it grabs it before the OS has even loaded, so it never sees it, so you start with 448MB total. For some reason Android loses 25 or so MB, and so we all (tmous and regular) show total RAM as 422 or so.
As said the system and the GPU takes it. Come on do you think the guys who made linux would really be as stupid as to just leave out some ram for no one to use or for it not be used? Or any person who makes an operating system?