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could there still be a windows Mobile 7?

Does anyone here think it possible, or perhaps even worth developing a windows MOBILE 7 rom for the HD2? Perhaps based on windows embedded mobile? Even better, does anyone care?

After seeing the Android rom working for about 5 minutes I'm more excited for that than Win7.
I wouldn't doubt if there are people making a Win7 ROM for the HD2.

Am I the only one who thinks that Winmo 6.5 Energy + Modded manila > Android ? Energy Winmo just looks and feels better... Androis is overhyped, but I may need to play with it a bit more.

I don't care for windows phone 7, but about the time wm 6.1 was released, i got excited for wm7. i thought it would be awesome. instead we get wp7. crap.

Silencer23 said:
Am I the only one who thinks that Winmo 6.5 Energy + Modded manila > Android ? Energy Winmo just looks and feels better... Androis is overhyped, but I may need to play with it a bit more.
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+1
I was with Android from 1.0 to 1.5 to 1.6 to 2.1 on my g1 and having switched to WinMo I do not want to go back. I am not intetested in Android or Phone 7 for my Hd2.

I have to agree with freeincolorado and silencer, android just doesn't cut the mustard. I finally loaded it on my TP2 and have been playing with it all weekend, and while there's a few things about it that I wish winmo had, I was still very relieved when popped my sim back in my HD2 this afternoon.
As for the original topic of this post, I feel extrememly confident that someone will try to to get wp7 working on the HD2, if only for the accomplishment. Even if it's never tried with any other existing phone, the HD2's hardware should certainly be capable, if the drivers etc can be made to work with it.

I like both OS of android and win mo. Both are open source and highly customizable. I just preordered the T-Mobile Vibrant but will be keeping my HD2 for work and will end up flashing some cool new roms on it.
I've been sticking with android because unlike Win Mo 6.5x, it's not a dying platform. It's completely on the rise with the upcoming Froyo and Gingerbread updates. Google has also promised even more updates in the future. I see LOADS of potential. The Android market is constantly growing along with XDA development e.g., CyanogenMod, etc..
But don't get me wrong I love Win Mo. It's by far and truely open source vs. android. I was surprised that I can already do things on my stock HD2 that a stock and unrooted android device can't (saving apps to sd, overclock the cpu, playing Flash etc). But with these forthcoming android OS updates, these features will finally be included.

aptness leadership said:
I don't care for windows phone 7, but about the time wm 6.1 was released, i got excited for wm7. i thought it would be awesome. instead we get wp7. crap.
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Well we got great devs here on our side so were gonna be just fine. I see a modified Win 6.75 coming out once WP7 is out. Taking key features and benefits from WP7 and merging them into Win6.5. Hell I'm running Kumars Classic rom and haven't had to reboot in like 10 days now. Then I see dual boot with an android port that works good but has a few bugs. Then I dream of possibly WINXP or a good UBUNTU running as a 3rd or dare it 4th os. With all the tablets coming out we may have many more OS options and choices floating around.

winmo 6.5 crushes android 1.6 imo...I Had a g1 running 1.6 and absolutely loved it, great device and great os..i use winmo 6.1 on a motorola mc55 for work so i thought i would hate the hd2 but compared to the motorola cliq which was my only android "upgrade" option from tmous at the time, the hd2 ran circles so I went with it and got the xt for the wife to compare...no contest hd2 ftw...she's still waiting for 2.1, moto delayed it again she's still at 1.5! haha . I do miss some android features but i just look at that huge screen and forget all about it...

i realize that many people want windows phone 7 for hd2, but this thread is really about windows mobile 7. I'm thinking photon. do you think thats possible?

ryan562 said:
I like both OS of android and win mo. Both are open source and highly customizable.
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First off - Windows Mobile is NOT open source.
As for WM7 - I'm sure it will be ported to the HD2. The real question is will the GPS, bluetooth, and camera work with it properly - which is my complaint about Android. If those 3 things don't also work along with everything else (I *suppose* I could live without the FM radio) - then it's pointless as far as I'm concerned.

TechnoHippie said:
First off - Windows Mobile is NOT open source.
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Yeah i'm hoping he meant the platform is more open, not open source. Quite a difference there.
As far as platforms being open, Android and WinMo are probably on even playing fields. But WinMo probably has more seasoned developers/hackers that know a lot of the tricks with the OS
And actually WinMo may be more open as far as user rights, because google does have the ability to withdraw an app from their store and uninstall it from users handhelds remotely. I don't think MS has that ability from their app store, and they most certainly don't have that ability to uninstall apps loaded from downloaded cabs
Google has already done this once http://www.dailytech.com/Google+Use...+Removal+Tech+for+First+Time/article18843.htm Though it does seem legitimate to protect the users. whats to stop some app, say like DeCSS for decrypting DVDs being deemed illegal, and then google being forced to remove something due to a lawsuit, not because it is in any way is dangerous to a user.
It really rubs me the wrong way for a 3rd party to be able to uninstall and maybe even possibly remotely install code onto a piece of hardware that i OWN!

d0ug said:
Yeah i'm hoping he meant the platform is more open, not open source. Quite a difference there.
As far as platforms being open, Android and WinMo are probably on even playing fields. But WinMo probably has more seasoned developers/hackers that know a lot of the tricks with the OS
And actually WinMo may be more open as far as user rights, because google does have the ability to withdraw an app from their store and uninstall it from users handhelds remotely. I don't think MS has that ability from their app store, and they most certainly don't have that ability to uninstall apps loaded from downloaded cabs
Google has already done this once http://www.dailytech.com/Google+Use...+Removal+Tech+for+First+Time/article18843.htm Though it does seem legitimate to protect the users. whats to stop some app, say like DeCSS for decrypting DVDs being deemed illegal, and then google being forced to remove something due to a lawsuit, not because it is in any way is dangerous to a user.
It really rubs me the wrong way for a 3rd party to be able to uninstall and maybe even possibly remotely install code onto a piece of hardware that i OWN!
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i remember reading that on engadget. google *seems* to be acting in good faith to protect themselves from liability from apps that would violate certain copyright infringements and the like. but i just hope they would use this feature to get rid of all the trashy porn searching programs on the market. steve jobs wasn't joking when he made a comment about that.

ryan562 said:
just hope they would use this feature to get rid of all the trashy porn searching programs on the market.
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what right do you or big steve or the chocolate factory have to decide what someone else can or can't search for? who defines "trashy porn"?
first step towards a fascist totalitarian state is controlling the populace's reading/viewing material.
first they came for the pornographers, and no one spoke up, because we werent pornographers
then they came for the app devs they didn't like, still no one spoke, because we arent devs
next they took control of the adding/removing of apps on devices they didn't own, and still we were silent,
when they come for us, who is left to speak out?

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google *seems* to be acting in good faith
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practically every horror story in history can be seen as acting 'in good faith' when viewed from teh correct (incorrect?) stand point. Good faith is no measure of goodness.
[mod-break] The rest of this post removed, sorry but this has no place here.

samsamuel said:
what right do you or big steve or the chocolate factory have to decide what someone else can or can't search for? who defines "trashy porn"?
first step towards a fascist totalitarian state is controlling the populace's reading/viewing material.
first they came for the pornographers, and no one spoke up, because we werent pornographers
then they came for the app devs they didn't like, still no one spoke, because we arent devs
next they took control of the adding/removing of apps on devices they didn't own, and still we were silent,
when they come for us, who is left to speak out?
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its also my right to protect my kids who have droid phones from seeing those types of programs.google should at least have the devs place an "18 and up" disclaimer for these apps. i wasn't too happy to see my lil nephew dl and use one of these apps.

yea, but what does any of this have to do with windows mobile 7 (photon)?
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Does anyone here think it possible, or perhaps even worth developing a windows MOBILE 7 rom for the HD2? Perhaps based on windows embedded mobile? Even better, does anyone care?
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What do you think this would gain you vs. 6.5?

Perhaps more enjoyment of a longer lasting device?

....and FUN! But just imagine, working really hard to create something that no one gives a rats butt about. Thats why I posed the question, would it be interesting, would anyone even care?

Why do you want Android on HD2?

i've testing android roms on my hd2 for a few weeks and i still have this question:
WHY A WM USER WOULD WANT ANDROID ON HIS/HERS HD2?
1. generaly a wm user doesn't like iOS (iphone). and android is in so many ways similar to ios
2. i can't find something that android could do and wm couldn't
3. i can't see any difference in speed or smoothness between wm and android
4. i can agree that the amount of applications or games is definetely higher on android, but one can find basicaly anything he/she wants also for wm
so, please guys let me know why do you want android on yours hd2
thank you!

noris08 said:
i've testing android roms on my hd2 for a few weeks and i still have this question:
WHY A WM USER WOULD WANT ANDROID ON HIS/HERS HD2?
1. generaly a wm user doesn't like iOS (iphone). and android is in so many ways similar to ios
2. i can't find something that android could do and wm couldn't
3. i can't see any difference in speed or smoothness between wm and android
4. i can agree that the amount of applications or games is definetely higher on android, but one can find basicaly anything he/she wants also for wm
so, please guys let me know why do you want android on yours hd2
thank you!
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Well i asked this question myself a lot!
Even if i'm running on Android for 3 weeks now and i didn't use WM since than; it is still not easy in my opinion to answer it!
I've done it just for curiosity and for change!
All i can feel is that it's more stable and that is what i'm interested in a phone! I don't like freezes or crashes and as you said anyone can find whatever he wants in any OS... As for speed and smoothness yes they are really the same...

Thing is... since you can have both with no problems at all, why not have both?
You get the stability and efficiency of Windows Mobile for daily work, including Office Mobile and other features Android doesn't have, and then you have Android with its huge application pool for more "fun" uses.
Windows Mobile = professional tool.
Android = kid's toy
For now at least - Android is still way to instable and also, even worse, way too power hungry to be used professionally on a HD2. I need to be able to use my phone intensively all day long without having to recharge after a few hours because the battery gets drained big time.

Android is just better, even with some bugs.

+1
for me the mail app and the google sync is miles apart from the rubbish windows dishes up
I really don't like HTC Sense and I find WM 6.5 ugly, cumberson and very un user friendy
Added to the fact that the app store is miles better than Market place the apps and widgets are generally of a very high standard and most are free...
I will never go back to Windows mobile now, completely hooked on android ..

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noris08 said:
i've testing android roms on my hd2 for a few weeks and i still have this question:
WHY A WM USER WOULD WANT ANDROID ON HIS/HERS HD2?
1. generaly a wm user doesn't like iOS (iphone). and android is in so many ways similar to ios
2. i can't find something that android could do and wm couldn't
3. i can't see any difference in speed or smoothness between wm and android
4. i can agree that the amount of applications or games is definetely higher on android, but one can find basicaly anything he/she wants also for wm
so, please guys let me know why do you want android on yours hd2
thank you!
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scbrother said:
Android is just better, even with some bugs.
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now, this is definetely a solid statement. can you bring some arguments equaly solid?
Jezwick said:
+1
for me the mail app and the google sync is miles apart from the rubbish windows dishes up
I really don't like HTC Sense and I find WM 6.5 ugly, cumberson and very un user friendy
Added to the fact that the app store is miles better than Market place the apps and widgets are generally of a very high standard and most are free...
I will never go back to Windows mobile now, completely hooked on android ..
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mail app and google sync - nonsense as wm has exchange and myphone for sync.
interface ugly - that's a question of taste, but you can personalise your interface in so many ways. take for instance maxsense or spb mobile shell. android interface is so iphoneish...
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now this is something, although speak search you can have also in wm (bing for instance).
augumented reality - i don't know what that is and how can i use it on my android hd2
java development - is this important? in wich way?
for al 3 guys above - if android is so cool and wm is not, why don't you buy an android phone instead of using a wm phone with an imperfect android ported rom?
this is not a flame attempt is just an honest question
thank you all!

Personally Its about looks and widgets.
I know It sounds odd but I hate the look of winmo.
I also dont like having to scroll through a bunch of different screens when I can have a screen with a bunch of different info on it.
Sense on winmo comes across as a big hinderence. Only thing that made winmo bareable to me was cht and even that drove me crazy.
I always say this but as a user of all three os I am just more comfortable with android than anything else.
So i guess I would not consider myself a winmo user. I bought the phone with the intent on using android at some point.
It is hard to get people to adjust to something different. Most avid winmo users will say they like winmo better. Most avid android users will say that like android.
It all boils down to what you like.
If someone has always used intel and you get them to buy a amd when they get a virus they will blame you for suggesting the amd. I know this because I work retail. I have learned not to let my feelings or judgements get in the way.
So I say if you like winmo stick with it.
Old winmo is dead hopefully windows phone 7 can be ported to the hd2. Otherwise those who like winmo will be stuck doing it old school.

I'am waiting for the Motorola Defy. ;-)
I find the HD2 with WM also good. But i'am curious.
Bing? Speaksearch? How?
noris08 said:
for al 3 guys above - if android is so cool and wm is not, why don't you buy an android phone instead of using a wm phone with an imperfect android ported rom?
this is not a flame attempt is just an honest question
thank you all!
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As for why people dont flat out buy a android phone.
I am a t-mobile user. I do not wish to use sprint or verizon so that limits the number of phones I can use with the very large 4.3 inch screen.
We arent getting the Desire hd here in the Us. and frankly the samsung captivate is too small and missing led flash.
google 2 nexus 1 mytouch slide screens are all too small!
price is also important. If someone already has an hd2 why spend more money on a new phone when you can use android.
buggy as it maybe its pretty dang fantastic.

Turn by turn gps in Google maps is great. Windows mobile is dated. Looks basically the same as it did 8 or 9 years ago. It was designed to be used with a stylus and android was designed for touch. I don't know why people say android looks like i OS, it really looks nothing like it with widgets instead of page after page of apps.
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bharris25 said:
Turn by turn gps in Google maps is great. Windows mobile is dated. Looks basically the same as it did 8 or 9 years ago. It was designed to be used with a stylus and android was designed for touch. I don't know why people say android looks like i OS, it really looks nothing like it with widgets instead of page after page of apps.
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I agree sir I truly agree. I cant stand Ios personally.

Windows is unstable, it crashes at least once or twice a week without any heavy usage.
I went back to the HD2 after owning an iphone for 18 months, I didn't like the way apple control everything so went back to Windows and regretted it ever since. The iphone required maybe three or four reboots in 18 months.
Now I'm running Android on the HD2 and rarely drop back to windows for anything.
There are certainly problems at the moment with Android on the HD2, these will be overcome (remember these are really just beta versions at the moment) relatively quickly and we will have a stable operating system that is highly configurable and far far superior to Windows.
I'm using mdeejay_froyo_sense_v2.1a_ppp with a 2.12 radio and stock 02 uk Rom. I still lose signal occasionally with this release but no screen freezes after a week of heavy use. For me it is now more stable than windows.

guys, this is not wm vs android
please remember the question - Why do you want Android on HD2?
you all bought hd2 as a wm phone, so i find it odd that you say so many bad words about wm. did somebody twist your arms to buy hd2 or did you chose it freely?
i completely disagree with the guy saing wm is instable - on my hd2 i use custom roms and they are extremely stable (nrgz, miri&steve, indie to name just a few chefs)
turn by turn - almost any gps sofware has it
and wm may be outdated but on hd2 is very finger friendly. i don't see the need of a stylus no matter what i do
where i live a second hand hd2 is selling for 3-400Euros. with that money you can buy a samsung galaxy s - same size, even better technical specs
and yes, bing has speak search. in the home page you will see a small microphone icon. press it and the speak what you are looking for and wait for the magic
and as i said before, you can customize your interface in so many ways...
so, again, why android on hd2?
thank you!

noris08 said:
guys, this is not wm vs android
please remember the question - Why do you want Android on HD2?
you all bought hd2 as a wm phone, so i find it odd that you say so many bad words about wm. did somebody twist your arms to buy hd2 or did you chose it freely?
i completely disagree with the guy saing wm is instable - on my hd2 i use custom roms and they are extremely stable (nrgz, miri&steve, indie to name just a few chefs)
turn by turn - almost any gps sofware has it
and wm may be outdated but on hd2 is very finger friendly. i don't see the need of a stylus no matter what i do
where i live a second hand hd2 is selling for 3-400Euros. with that money you can buy a samsung galaxy s - same size, even better technical specs
and yes, bing has speak search. in the home page you will see a small microphone icon. press it and the speak what you are looking for and wait for the magic
and as i said before, you can customize your interface in so many ways...
so, again, why android on hd2?
thank you!
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We arent bashing windows mobile. These are our reasons as to why we want android on the hd2. A lot of regular users I know have had horrible experiences with the hd2. Most of the people I speak with hate the phone. The fact that they have winmo on the phone matters not to them.
You must have by passed the fact that I said the galaxy's screen is to small for me. Yes .3 inches matters and the fact that the galaxy s doesnt have led flash for camera's is a major kill
Like I said I chose it freely to put Android on it. When i got my phone The nexus 1 was the only android phone with decent spec's. Frankly the 3.7 inch screen is too small.

Why, because i can have Android on it, that's why

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Why, because i can have Android on it, that's why
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and if you have a gun you will start kill people just because you can?

please , how many clicks does it take in
wm/android
from lockscreen to enable wifi and go back to homescreen , 5/2
how many clicks does it take to disable orientation and go back to homescreen 6/1
how many clicks does it take to adust brightness and go back to homescreen 6/1
how many clicks does it takes to download email and fb updates after a successful wifi connect and go back to homescreen 6/0
cht may improve theese values ... but gimme a break with questions like theese , u do not deserve to run android on ur fone if u ask somthing like this

Honestly What is the point behind this question other than you just wanted to ask.
And while I do respect that you wanted to I ask I cant but wonder what you expect.
Each one of these members has a reason for wanting or not wanting android.
You really should consider accepting peoples reasons.
as you said I am not flaming I am just stating what I see.
I look forward to your response.

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please , how many clicks does it take in
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from lockscreen to enable wifi and go back to homescreen , 5/1
how many clicks does it take to disable orientation and go back to homescreen 6/1
how many clicks does it take to adust brightness and go back to homescreen 6/1
how many clicks does it takes to download email and fb updates and go back to homescreen 6/1
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Remember Windows mobile does have toggles and widgets
wait i know for sure it has toggles but widgets Im thinking not very many not that I could find anyway.

Andrioid or Windows Phone 7

My new HD2 comes in tomorrow. ANd I am looking to take away the stock windows 6.5 and put either windows phone 7 or Andriod on it.
Now I come from using an iphone where i never used the ipod part of it. I did alot of gaming, and mostly organization for my job. It was a good phone book.
I dont use the internet much, so i just want to do basic browsing etc.
Im just not sure on which one is best. I have heard good things about windows 7
Now I am a mac guy, i have not had windows anything for over 10 years. So getting this windows system is it going to mess with my mac with sycing etc?
Just want to hear suggestioons. Thanks!

Apparently you can dual boot that thing
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Android for sure. Check out WP7 if we get the next update.

You will have to have Windows to flash MAGLDR or cLK which ever one you choose to go with as your bootloader. MAGLDR can boot Android and WP7, cLK can only boot Android. I suggest you have a look at the thread I linked seeing as you are running a MAC.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1039235

My question is this... what I am looking for in a phone. I dont want to have to worry about going form one OS to another.
I do not use the browser a lot. And I am not looking for many 3g apps. I am interested in apps in general.
What Im looking for is just a more organized phone. I loved my iphone for organization. I just hated how they did it (their folders suck).
I enjoy games, and i enjoy apps, dont get me wrong.
I dont facebook, i dont twitter. Mostly this phone will be used as a phone, and calendar and e-mail.
I played around with a windows 7 phone very briefly and LOVED the speed. I felt the layout would take a bit to get use to.
I never really played around with android ever. I have only seen video, and i like the fact that it has live wall paper.. other then that, I did not see anything that said use this!
I just want to make sure i get the OS that I want and is going to be best for me.

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My question is this... what I am looking for in a phone. I dont want to have to worry about going form one OS to another.
I do not use the browser a lot. And I am not looking for many 3g apps. I am interested in apps in general.
What Im looking for is just a more organized phone. I loved my iphone for organization. I just hated how they did it (their folders suck).
I enjoy games, and i enjoy apps, dont get me wrong.
I dont facebook, i dont twitter. Mostly this phone will be used as a phone, and calendar and e-mail.
I played around with a windows 7 phone very briefly and LOVED the speed. I felt the layout would take a bit to get use to.
I never really played around with android ever. I have only seen video, and i like the fact that it has live wall paper.. other then that, I did not see anything that said use this!
I just want to make sure i get the OS that I want and is going to be best for me.
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Best thing to do is just keep the Windows Mobile and dual boot Android from your SD card to getca good feel for how Android is and if you like it or not. Go to the HD2 Android SD development forums and checkout some of the SD cardcAndroid build. Also seens you mentioned games, Android has full flash support so that opens the gaming up a bit for Android. If you don't like Android you can then flash HSPL, MAGLDR, and then a WP7 ROM. Remember you will have to contact Microsoft to get a activation code to activate your live/cloud services, this includes the app market. Go to the HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A and General forums there are plenty of threads there on how to do this, it will not cost you a thing.
If you did like Android though you Can just flash Android to NAND and not WP7.
Now that is what is great about having a HTC HD2!!!!

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I dont facebook, i dont twitter. Mostly this phone will be used as a phone, and calendar and e-mail.
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In my opinion, you should go for WM6.5 or WP7.
Android is all eye candy and nonsense. Sure it can perform serious functions as well but if you want a hard working, organised OS then Microsoft is your friend.
Either that or a blackberry, but I couldn't condone that sort of behavior .......
IMO / JM2C etc....etc....
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I just edited my last message cause the GD productive text on Android. I had meant for my blue text to say "Now that is" not "Now that OS" made it mean something totally different. I absolutely hate the productive text on Android.

To each their own
You would need to BootCamp your Mac to get Windows on a partition to get Stuff Flashed
IMO Android should be the first OS to try out since you never tried it and its a lot easier to setup compared to WP7... Even thou WP7 is simplified the fact that their are bugs in WP7 like SDcard incompatibility and random restarts, there are some Android ROMS that are amazingly stable and you don't have to worry about activation to get the marketplace working
I had Gingerbread on my HD2 and it worked perfectly.. yesterday I switched back to WP7 and at first it would restart after a couple seconds but I somehow managed to get it stable and no more restarts
Sure you can stick with WM6.5 but the fact that you can load up an entire different OS that's newer will have you going crazy and in the end WM and your HD2 will part ways
Im torn between Android and WP7 but since everything is backed up in both Googles and Windows Live Servers I don't have to worry about loosing anything.. Just a matter of flashing and re-syncing

If you are into organization I will try a custom windows mobile Rom. It seems like Android and wp7 is based around entertainment. The office apps suck on wp7 and android.
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Personaly both fit your criteria. However android has a lot more apps than WP7. However you might also like the simplicity and fluidity of WP7. So my suggestion is to simply try each OS. Truthfully do you even really need to get your phone all organized just yet? Will a few days of testing really hurt your life? If not, then just take a few days to test both android and WP7.

To be completely honest with anyone who buys an hd2 just to run one operating system in my mind the big question, WHY?
the hd2 can dual boot perfectly, the hd2 has evolved into the tinker tailors mixenmatious ultimate device.
If you only want Android buy a hd desire.
If you only want wp7 buy an hd7
But if you want a device that can run them all and more, but never quite 100%, where you have to put lots of hours, time and patient into testing constantly changing tweaking and reading, asking questions, failing, crashing, frustration, confusion but overall HUGE interaction with a device. Then you came to the right device the hd2
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Also an iPhone owner here and someone who cares a lot about organization, so perhaps I could give some decent advice.
To start -- I hate Windows Phone 7. Well, perhaps 'hate' is a bit too strong. Maybe it's better to say I really, really dislike it.
The best part about it is that it's ridiculously fast and smooth (maybe even moreso than iOS) and it's a very stylish OS, but many other things are fairly poor. The 'Hubs' style of UI interface doesn't seem to work so well (things got cluttered fast). Furthermore, the Marketplace is terrible; small selection with rather expensive apps and searching through the thing is pretty unintuitive.
There's also a bunch of little annoyances that got on my nerves quickly, such as the 'Resuming' nonsense that ends up forcing me to start over in whatever app I'm using or the fact that IE only allows me to have six tabs or the fact that there's no battery percentage (and no third party app that can access the info either!). Little things like that.
To summarize my feelings, WP7 resembles Android a lot. It sucks in the beginning, but it'll probably get better later on. If you were to ask me, I would wholly recommend installing Android over WP7; Android's Market is pretty horrible compare to iOS, but overall, it's worlds better than WP7.
It also helps that Android doesn't require some sort of special microSD like WP7.
P.S. Regarding potential issues with Mac...I honestly can't offer any advice here. I own a MacBook, but I always do these kind of things on my Windows desktop.

rhydrag83 said:
If you are into organization I will try a custom windows mobile Rom. It seems like Android and wp7 is based around entertainment. The office apps suck on wp7 and android.
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I Agree ......, I am using Android as it looks good and feels good to use android and lot of apps and games ... win phone 7 good but there are bugs knw like camera , no copy paste , and some other stuff that gives me a headache but win phone 7 is much faster than other roms ( for me)
for me Windows mobile 6.5 roms are good but boring

Well, im going to start with trying Android I guess for one week. then Try WP7 for one week. I guess thats the only way... I can see both sides.. but I will only know once i tried it.

If you are a person who uses mostly phone calls and texts, and data and Facebook, then there is not much problem with Windows Phone 7, but you cannot expect anything more from it. Yet to get proper messengers, tethering support, battery questionable.
Whereas Android will play a good part till the latter is developed in the coming days. Android will offer all the functionality and use your HD2 to full potential.

[Q] Are you planning on moving to WP7 as main OS?

Hi.
I really like WP7 and I think it fits our HD2's, yet WP7 is very immature.
For the people who are planning on moving to WP7 instead of Android, what is the milestone you are waiting for?
For the people who are not planning on moving, what are the main reasons?
Currently, I'm waiting for Mango final and a very specific application - Whatsapp.
I realize there are alternatives, but most of my friends with iOS and Android are using Whatsapp.
Anyways, its not Whatsapp as a single application, but a maturity of WP7 as an OS...
Are there any other crucial issues you think should be resolved before WP7 can be used as a main OS?

i think hd2 will get ports from future matured releases of WP7 (at least for some time).
since my hd2 is not just a phone, i am not willing to consider moving on to native WP7 devices. if i can go for multiple OSs and play with all of them, why on earth i'd limit myself to just one?
but, tmo, if u'r phone is just a phone to make calls or browse internet, native WP7 is the choice for u.
but for me.. NO. i think i'll keep my HD2
point is, i dont need to chose between WP7 and android. i can keep both.

HD2-WP7 said:
i think hd2 will get ports from future matured releases of WP7 (at least for some time).
since my hd2 is not just a phone, i am not willing to consider moving on to native WP7 devices. if i can go for multiple OSs and play with all of them, why on earth i'd limit myself to just one?
but, tmo, if u'r phone is just a phone to make calls or browse internet, native WP7 is the choice for u.
but for me.. NO. i think i'll keep my HD2
point is, i dont need to chose between WP7 and android. i can keep both.
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The OP didnt say anything about getting a native WP7 device, He was referring to using WP7 as main OS on your HD2.
@ OP
I'm contemplating keeping WP7 on my phone permanently since I can still play with Android on my Tab. I really like WP7, yes its not android (which is a great os) but its a great OS itself and runs really smooth.

I'm using WP7 on my HD2 and love it. I think WP7 is better than Android and the mature issue is getting less of an issue every day: apps are showing up every day.

is there contacts sync in wp7 sync from facebook and gmail

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is there contacts sync in wp7 sync from facebook and gmail
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Yes, you can sync facebook, gmail and other sources.

It's the only os I use & only os I would use. Not a fan of Android, so that's not an alternative. WM was great for its time, but let's face it, that time is done. WP7 is the only os for me!
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The OP didnt say anything about getting a native WP7 device, He was referring to using WP7 as main OS on your HD2.
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u missed my point. so i try to be more clear now.
if i keep WP7, i can taste both (and more).

JonnieLasVegas said:
It's the only os I use & only os I would use. Not a fan of Android, so that's not an alternative. WM was great for its time, but let's face it, that time is done. WP7 is the only os for me!
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dont say that!!
WM may be the ugly sister that even her parents didnt want but its a beast of an OS, there is nothing and there is unlikely to ever be an OS that can do as much as WM can. yeah it looks crap, an runs crap, but it wins hands down in every other aspect. I'd love to dual boot WM and WP, but as it is Im running WP on my day to day device and WM on the backup device, WP is so much better with the UI it just makes using it plesant, I'll not be moving back but im also unlieky to ever trully leave WM either. Droid had a look in for 6 months before WP but got board with it.

Lol, I agree WM is a beast & very friendly to us super user types. Don't get me wrong I loved it when I used it. But now I'm completely hooked on WP. But when I get a native WP I'll switch my HD2 back to WM so I can tweak it again for fun. ^_^
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I really really want to move to WP7 as my main OS however my biggest tidbits need to be fixed before I will do such. Mainly, no customization of ringtones/alert sounds (without sideloading apps, etc.)
I don't know if they corrected this in Mango but when I add my 15 year old Live ID, it intergrates all my contacts from that ID into my contact list. Same with Facebook!
I was a die hard fan of WM and Android is ok but not where my heart is. WM had lots of raw power and after playing with WP, it is really something I can see myself using.

JonnieLasVegas said:
Lol, I agree WM is a beast & very friendly to us super user types. Don't get me wrong I loved it when I used it. But now I'm completely hooked on WP. But when I get a native WP I'll switch my HD2 back to WM so I can tweak it again for fun. ^_^
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Not a bad idea that!
just need to wait for a worthwhile update to the HD2 then!
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I really really want to move to WP7 as my main OS however my biggest tidbits need to be fixed before I will do such. Mainly, no customization of ringtones/alert sounds (without sideloading apps, etc.)
I don't know if they corrected this in Mango but when I add my 15 year old Live ID, it intergrates all my contacts from that ID into my contact list. Same with Facebook!
I was a die hard fan of WM and Android is ok but not where my heart is. WM had lots of raw power and after playing with WP, it is really something I can see myself using.
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Wow, you had a hotmail (HoTMaiL) account since before MS owned it, bet you there isnt many of us still kicking around! might i suggest trimming your contacts as if like mine, most of them no longer matter when going back to 1996
Facebook contacts can be removed if you dont already have that contact in you lists

I will stay definetly on WP7, I wanted to try Android, but then I heared that they are a lot of security vulnaribilities in the OS.
Aswell Apps in the Marketplace contain Malware, so I don't want to play roulette with my device...

Asking for live id and cant able so stuck back to android
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errm
im new to this, and it's my first reply on this site. and sorry if its a late reply.
i am currently running MIUI android and i love it! it's perfect for my HD2 and i am having no problems.
a few times i have flashed WP7 with 'ok' roms (not perfect) and loved it - even though i couldn't get live services and market activated.
ALSO...in the process of switching between android and WP7, it has really messed up my SD cards - even when using different ones for each OS.
but just like you, i can't live without whatsapp as i use it everyday without fail. so does anybody know if it's going to be possible to get whatapp on wp7? and i m not really following wp7 on hd2 so what stage is it at now? like stable, lots of bugs, or is there a perfect build out there?

I'm watching how Mango goes before I make a final call. Some of the features I'm looking for are hidden SSID support, SMS/call backup&restore, wifi hotspot. I use those features a lot so if they're in Mango like I've heard they are then I'll probably switch my HD2 to being a WP7 device full-time.
I have a handful of apps that I bought in Android that it looks like I'd need to re-buy but it's not more than ~15 dollars (USD) worth so I'd be okay with it.

I would move to wp7, but no wlan hotspot, no using wifi android tablet.

When I get drunk, I pull out my blackberry and trying to do anything is just a mess.
When I pull out my WP7 it makes me so glad, honestly that I can use my phone when I am drunk.

I'm actually going to test out WP7 soon and Im really hoping that mango turns out to be a success

Yes. Tried iPhone. Tried Android. Tried WP7. WP7 is for me.
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[Q] confused with all th OS thing around here

hi guys...
I have the Leo for a year or so,
i used to have WM EnergyROM and iit was perfect for me...
and then DFT came and gave us the Android gift, so i've flashed the NAND ROM
and using it ever since... BUT i don't like the idea of "cloud" sh** of the Android, I see no differance in speed, sure it looks better than WM6.5....
but it never felt solid like WM....
now i simply don't know what to do....
Leave it as is and use the Android OS or go back to WM??
i sure need some advice....

I would install Pyramid rom like I did and be happy!
Im happy with my HD2 Using android Pyramid rom with everyday use and its stable nice and solid. P.S. Im using CLK...

having used all three OS's a lot on the HD2, i can give you a fairly good idea of what id do but its very much personal preference.
There is nothing wrong with wm, I personally think its an amazing OS, yeah it doesnt look as good, yeah it doesnt run as fast but its a work horse and will do anything.
the other two OS's, WP and android are two very different kettles of fish, WP is in my opinion the best PHONE OS out there, it has a lot of great features especially around exchange support and social networks. android is a bit flaky in my opinion, but appears to have more "modability" If you dont like the whole idea of uploading to a clould then that only leaves android and WM, in my humble opinion WM wins from a userbility point of view and android wins from a interface perspective (WP wins that if you include that in to the mix!)

dazza9075 said:
having used all three OS's a lot on the HD2, i can give you a fairly good idea of what id do but its very much personal preference.
There is nothing wrong with wm, I personally think its an amazing OS, yeah it doesnt look as good, yeah it doesnt run as fast but its a work horse and will do anything.
the other two OS's, WP and android are two very different kettles of fish, WP is in my opinion the best PHONE OS out there, it has a lot of great features especially around exchange support and social networks. android is a bit flaky in my opinion, but appears to have more "modability" If you dont like the whole idea of uploading to a clould then that only leaves android and WM, in my humble opinion WM wins from a userbility point of view and android wins from a interface perspective (WP wins that if you include that in to the mix!)
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mmm food for thought....
personally i'd go for WP7 BUT MS insist not giving me an Activition key they told me to contact HTC for that beacuase "it should be provided withe your new HD7" (MS Israel) i sent mail to MS USA and they told me to contact my local MS service... so WP7 is a dead end for me...
the idea fo giving google all personal information with Android is also disturbing me but there are a very good and usfule apps in it like Whatsapp (that i use daily)...
on the other hand WM provides me a better an much more convinent way of data Sync to my PC and most of the apps that i use on Android can be replaced with equivilant apps on WM exept Whatsapp...
the G-sensors on WM don't work on all apps (like WAZE that i use daily) kind of annoing...
my friend is a Developer he told me that Android works better on the HD2 i don't know how or why or if it's true even thou the HD2 is WM native...
so i really don't know what to choose very confused and tierd of flashing from one to another just becuase "every one use this OS or the other"
honestly i think that when HTC built the HD2 they aimed for WP7 and Windows will always work better on it and Windows is much more convinient for data Sync. no "special" drivers is required or some other tricks just to allow me to connect my HD2 to PC....
Me knowing that there are no more updates for WM6.5.x from MS holds me back call me stupid but it makes me think that this platform is dead (and i know it's not true)
bahhhh very very confused......

I have tried wm, and wp7 and android, and HyperDroidCM7v3.1 is the best ROM for the hd2 that is out there now. Just give it a try and you'll know what I mean ;-) Really.
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se1988 said:
I have tried wm, and wp7 and android, and HyperDroidCM7v3.1 is the best ROM for the hd2 that is out there now. Just give it a try and you'll know what I mean ;-) Really.
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i'm currently usin it if you look at my sig.
and in my former post i explaind myself about my opinion but yrt kind fo dont know what to do... i thought about dual boot of WM and Android but it's not a solution because i want to use one OS.... not a GAZILION OS's.....

I stuck with NRG WM6.5 on my hd2. Tried android on HD2 & also via HTC Desire with native Android. Android lacked in a lot of areas I needed daily & is in no way a great looking or clever GUI. I use NRG Dinik further modded by myself & it works perfect for me in business & pleasure & is solid & all functions I use & have tested work well, closest a phone OS gets to having a PC in your pocket.
Have very little experience of WP7 on HD2, used it on native handset but not enough to go verbal on opinions.
Main call is down to how you use your device & what you prioritise, unfortunately you are one of the few who are caught with needs that can not come from one OS.
Best you can do is work with the OS that comes closest & resolve lacking apps ect the best you can ...
I am surprised that a whatsapp alternative for WM has not materialised & also surprised the XDA app never went to WM.
WM is not dead & will be in real use for some while yet but chances of new applications & any form of evolution within the OS itself is unlikely. Shame really as 6.5.5 had a hell of a lot of potential, if MS had developed it faster Android could of been unknown & buying or flashing a phone would of been much simpler.

baraks said:
i'm currently usin it if you look at my sig.
and in my former post i explaind myself about my opinion but yrt kind fo dont know what to do... i thought about dual boot of WM and Android but it's not a solution because i want to use one OS.... not a GAZILION OS's.....
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Well, it comes down to a matter of taste really... You prefer WM, use WM. I prefer Android, because it owns everything else.

se1988 said:
Well, it comes down to a matter of taste really... You prefer WM, use WM. I prefer Android, because it owns everything else.
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By saying everything else, what do you mean??? I really dont understand the difference between all the os's....
For general knowledge i use data sync alot with my pc lots of mail use office acrobat reader gps and im soft.... if this helps to advise me...
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baraks said:
By saying everything else, what do you mean??? I really dont understand the difference between all the os's....
For general knowledge i use data sync alot with my pc lots of mail use office acrobat reader gps and im soft.... if this helps to advise me...
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Android can meet your demands and more. Maybe WM is good enough for you, but give Android a try! I promise you, you will never go back
Why drive a Toyota Corolla, when you can have the Bugatti Veyron for free?

se1988 said:
Android can meet your demands and more. Maybe WM is good enough for you, but give Android a try! I promise you, you will never go back
Why drive a Toyota Corolla, when you can have the Bugatti Veyron for free?
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Because you will likely crash an burn in the bugatti and it will cost you more in the long run.
WM is solid, if the OEMs and networks didnt screw it up so much then it might still be a leading contender today.
as it is, WM is the best SMARTPHONE OS out there, in my opinion WP7 is the best Phone OS out there (android would fit in to this if it wasnt bloated and becoming more fragmented by the week) There is a big difference between Smartphone and phone, and iOS, android and WP do not fit the bill for a true smartphone.

dazza9075 said:
Because you will likely crash an burn in the bugatti and it will cost you more in the long run.
WM is solid, if the OEMs and networks didnt screw it up so much then it might still be a leading contender today.
as it is, WM is the best SMARTPHONE OS out there, in my opinion WP7 is the best Phone OS out there (android would fit in to this if it wasnt bloated and becoming more fragmented by the week) There is a big difference between Smartphone and phone, and iOS, android and WP do not fit the bill for a true smartphone.
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You get my vote, could not of worded it any better.
MS have to take some flack for not developing it faster & reducing OEM derived bugs by creating a base platform that did not need so much modding & stayed more in MS control.
WM is an amazing Phone OS & I find it so wasteful & short sighted on MS to of totally dumped it ...

se1988 said:
Android can meet your demands and more. Maybe WM is good enough for you, but give Android a try! I promise you, you will never go back
Why drive a Toyota Corolla, when you can have the Bugatti Veyron for free?
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Dude i'm driving a Suzuki swift 09 with 102HP and i would not swap it for buggati its too rich for my blood even for free... lol
For the os wm is the best out ther i use android just because it has whatsapp....
As i said before i dont bellive on the cloud..... it's stupid imo...
Android feels like a toy to me and suits more for teens WM feels like i have a smaller version of pc in my hand
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baraks said:
Dude i'm driving a Suzuki swift 09 with 102HP and i would not swap it for buggati its too rich for my blood even for free... lol
For the os wm is the best out ther i use android just because it has whatsapp....
As i said before i dont bellive on the cloud..... it's stupid imo...
Android feels like a toy to me and suits more for teens WM feels like i have a smaller version of pc in my hand
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Indeed WM is the smartest in base platform functionality & closest any phone OS has been to a notebook in your pocket.

Mister B said:
Indeed WM is the smartest in base platform functionality & closest any phone OS has been to a notebook in your pocket.
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is there a way that you can tell me the differance between th OS's WM Android and WP?
exept that Android is LiMO based.. i mean the overall difference...
UPDATE: (1.10 20:45 GMT+2) got back to WM6.5 21916 Energy ROM CHT2.0 4.7.11.... and it feel so GOOD
UPDATE: (2.10 2:33 GMT+2) Restored my NANDroid WM keeps on freezing

Well, I do agree that WM WAS a good OS. Just too bad that both support, myphone and marketplace has been discontinued, just to let WM die a silent death... At least Android is guaranteed to keep up for a long time to come
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baraks said:
is there a way that you can tell me the differance between th OS's WM Android and WP?
exept that Android is LiMO based.. i mean the overall difference...
UPDATE: (1.10 20:45 GMT+2) got back to WM6.5 21916 Energy ROM CHT2.0 4.7.11.... and it feel so GOOD
UPDATE: (2.10 2:33 GMT+2) Restored my NANDroid WM keeps on freezing
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Have a look at this link (if not done already!)for some comparisons comments on various OS's
If your WM is freezing you need to review HSPL/Radio & ROM build you are using & perhaps apps you install !
The 23699 is my favourite & most stable Energy ROM & the 290xx builds are good if you want newer ROMs (New does not always mean better) ...
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Well, I do agree that WM WAS a good OS. Just too bad that both support, myphone and marketplace has been discontinued, just to let WM die a silent death... At least Android is guaranteed to keep up for a long time to come
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No big deal never used it anyway.
I have all personal apps & work apps on my own server archive & also contacts are saved on server & via Gmail so we can access & install anywhere if needed.
Why rely on a 3rd party when you can be in control yourself.
As for Market appeal, personally I prefer sourcing apps originally via good old web searching & checking known bugs & best builds(latest ain't always greatest) ...
If you find installing loads of poor quality apps and never finding favourite version of an app again a great hobby then yes a market is a great tool !

i don't think it's HSPL/Radio ROM since i havn't changed them since last radio rom update (2.15.50.14)
maybe some app (i susspect the XDA_IE_6.1.cab)
and my favorite build is 21916, didnt like that the start is on the bottom bar...
btw when i Sync the Outlook all my appointments nd holydays are duplicated on the HD2 (and i didn't PIM backup before Sync)....

baraks said:
i don't think it's HSPL/Radio ROM since i havn't changed them since last radio rom update (2.15.50.14)
maybe some app (i susspect the XDA_IE_6.1.cab)
and my favorite build is 21916, didnt like that the start is on the bottom bar...
btw when i Sync the Outlook all my appointments nd holydays are duplicated on the HD2 (and i didn't PIM backup before Sync)....
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Interesting how we all differ as I find the lower start bar far easier for touch input ...
Have you tried these tools for duplicate cleaning ! never tested them myself but thought would mention them as you might want to review them;
TrineFix
Outlook Cleaner

Mister B said:
Interesting how we all differ as I find the lower start bar far easier for touch input ...
Have you tried these tools for duplicate cleaning ! never tested them myself but thought would mention them as you might want to review them;
TrineFix
Outlook Cleaner
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thanx i'll give it a try