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I'm sure the Galaxy Tab will be slightly more powerful... But I can't believe by much.
The Archos Tablets are coming out late September-mid October.
There will be many different sizes... 10.1", 7", 4.3"... etc.
I see people saying the Galaxy tab will cost more than 600$. That's absurd.
All of Archos's tablets are <$300
I own a Vibrant, and believe me, I love it. But I personally will be getting an Archos 10.1 . $299 isn't asking for much.
What do you think.
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Of course I am expecting some sort of hack to run the Market on the Archos... that's honestly the only down side but not necesarily a deal breaker.
I would be really hesistant to get an Archos tablet - they've been putting these out for a little while now, but their track record has not been great. Maybe this will change with their new designs - I hadn't heard or read up on the Archos 70 - but they just released the Archos Home 7 a few months ago, and it was not particularly well received.
EDIT: The Archos spec sheet says they are using an ARM A8 based processor, so it could be on par with the A8-based Hummingbird in terms of CPU power - no mention of what GPU is being used though. The GPU on the Hummingbird is an absolute (mobile) beast.
I honestly was about to buy a Z-180 til i heard of the Archos.
And yes... the GPU on the Galaxy S's are supreme...
10.1" Galaxy Tab = king. 7" is too small for me for a tablet. Tablet = halfway between smart phone and netbook. 7" tablet = halfway between smartphone and tablet. Lol
Spec wise, id say the Gtab has a great edge just because of its on board gpu. What you need to think about is how much of a difference that makes to you.
If you just want normal stuff, then no big deal. If you want to play 3d games or play true high def content then the Tab looks way better. If not then well.... The opposite.
Personally I think the archos is just for watching stuff, and the Tab is more of a daily driver.
I wouldn't think about pricing just yet, because until we get numbers from samsung, everything is bull****. Just cast it from your mind.
For me, the Tab is the right size. The appeal is that it'll fit in a coat pocket, or you can just toss out into a bag. 10 inches is huge (anyone who just smirked: shame on you!) and although the nice big screen is ok at home, to me its just impractical in public, particularly since you have to grasp it, not just let it rest in your hand.
Finally, does the archos have a phone in it? That would make.a difference to me to be honest.
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Yeah it's all down to personal preference about 7" or 10"... A tablet would be more of an 'at-home' thing for me... My phone is for the go aha.
I'm sure the Archos would be able to handle some 3d games though. We'll see...
They both hop on the 1GHz. I don't know much about Archos GPU though.
andershizzle said:
Yeah it's all down to personal preference about 7" or 10"... A tablet would be more of an 'at-home' thing for me... My phone is for the go aha.
I'm sure the Archos would be able to handle some 3d games though. We'll see...
They both hop on the 1GHz. I don't know much about Archos GPU though.
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Oh yeah, the archos should handle the games and stuff as well as an equivalently specced phone, its certainly no slouch. Just the tab is 'better'.
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I'm in the same dilemma right now too...not sure whether to go with the archos 7 inch or 10 inch....or whether to buy the galaxy tab....and a major deciding factor will be the pricing of the tab once its announced...
Yes if the Tab is any more than 400 I probably will go with the Archos... Can't beat $299
The only thing about the GPU in the Hummingbird is that there is nothing to do (yet) with all that power. It's in a league of it's own when it comes to graphics horsepower, and until we see more Android devices take up the PowerVR SGX540 GPU, I doubt we'll see anything take advantage of that power.
Hell, unless/until we start playing games at 720p on TV/Monitors via HDMI, it's not entirely clear we need that kind of graphics processing either. Take a look at the "Epic Citadel" tech demo of the Unreal 3 engine running on the iPhone 4 (which uses the less powerful PowerVR 535 I think) to see what can be accomplished with a GPU with 1/3 the power of the Hummingbird.
Comparing things like that cross platform is fairly useless.
There ate several things that can run on my iphone's old hardware and i know if it were in Android with the same hardware it would run like a dog. Look at Symbian. Very.few Symbian phones use "modern" hardware, but Symbian has no problem with lag.
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The only thing about the GPU in the Hummingbird is that there is nothing to do (yet) with all that power. It's in a league of it's own when it comes to graphics horsepower, and until we see more Android devices take up the PowerVR SGX540 GPU, I doubt we'll see anything take advantage of that power.
Hell, unless/until we start playing games at 720p on TV/Monitors via HDMI, it's not entirely clear we need that kind of graphics processing either. Take a look at the "Epic Citadel" tech demo of the Unreal 3 engine running on the iPhone 4 (which uses the less powerful PowerVR 535 I think) to see what can be accomplished with a GPU with 1/3 the power of the Hummingbird.
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If you put it like that, then I'd say that the added GPU power adds a degree of future proofing. I suspect that what with the slew of droid based tablets arriving, people will start developing things that take advantage of the screen size. Particularly since tablets have a lot more battery so you can game for a lot longer, and thus might be interested in prettier visual.
Food for thought anyway.
The equivalent 7" archos is a great looking device tho. Although, can someone fill me in on a few things (i know nothing of the devices). Firstly, the spec just says the GPU is '3d OpenGL' but doesn't say the actual chip set. Would like to know what it is. Secondly, it says up to 250gigs, and I assumed that was a choice of internal flash-drives, but the spec sheet has 8gig flash and 250gig HD. Does that mean you connect a HD with USB or a changeable 2.5" drive or something ?
Certainly would help me understand
As long as it has decent quality and runs latest stock android.
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Comparing things like that cross platform is fairly useless.
There ate several things that can run on my iphone's old hardware and i know if it were in Android with the same hardware it would run like a dog. Look at Symbian. Very.few Symbian phones use "modern" hardware, but Symbian has no problem with lag.
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Uh, like what specifically?
Heavy gunner.
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LostAlone said:
If you put it like that, then I'd say that the added GPU power adds a degree of future proofing. I suspect that what with the slew of droid based tablets arriving, people will start developing things that take advantage of the screen size. Particularly since tablets have a lot more battery so you can game for a lot longer, and thus might be interested in prettier visual.
Food for thought anyway.
The equivalent 7" archos is a great looking device tho. Although, can someone fill me in on a few things (i know nothing of the devices). Firstly, the spec just says the GPU is '3d OpenGL' but doesn't say the actual chip set. Would like to know what it is. Secondly, it says up to 250gigs, and I assumed that was a choice of internal flash-drives, but the spec sheet has 8gig flash and 250gig HD. Does that mean you connect a HD with USB or a changeable 2.5" drive or something ?
Certainly would help me understand
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There's an 8GB Flash Memory 7" tablet, expandable with Micro SD, and then there's a 7" tablet with an actual internal 250GB Hard Drive.
The 10" has a 8GB internal (micro SD expandable) for 299$ and 16GB internal (micro SD expandable) for 349$
Ah ok I get ya.
I assumed that it was one device with aftermarket add ons *facepalm* the 250gig version sounds pretty GOOD in theory at least
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Anyways, I think what will make the real difference to the choice will be how much you want mobile data. There seems to be two schools of thought on how to use a tablet device here:
a) Those who would be wanting a tablet to augment their current device.
b) Those who see a small form factor tablet as a total alternative.
For those in camp A, the archos has to be a better device. Not only because of cost, but the extra capacity is definitely a head turner.
For those in camp B, the Tabs 3g radio and actual phone capabilities wins the game hands down.
Personally I am much more of a B. I would certainly be happy with an archos. However, since Im not the kind of person who would use it at home, it'd only do service as a media device on long trips. And it'd make me happy in that capacity.
However, since the Tab offers that same performance (less capacity, but I can't see why I would ever need to load up 250gigs of anything) and extras, I just see myself using it more. In my head I can see me using it to hold my notes or whatever I'm working from, and then I can just kick over to a web browser to find what I need or take calls or whatever, all in one device. Of course, I can still use my phone as a phone and my Tab the same as the archos, but I have the choice.
I think that the times I am sitting on a station waiting for a train or whatever, I would kick myself for not having the data use, and anytime where I have to scrabble through my pockets for my phone.
Am still waiting on pricing of course. If the Tab is ridiculously priced (I maintain that this isn't likely to happen) then I may well say screw it and get an archos or indeed another tablet, because much as I love the tab, I'm only willing to pay so much for what I see as the bonuses of using one. If the Tab is competitively priced against the archos, I can't see why anyone would buy the archos (unless they are comitted to carrying a silly amount of media), because even if you never use the added 3g functionality, you know its there. I figure a lot of people will be waiting on the pricing, because if the Tab is say 50-100 bucks more than the archos, its a no brainer. 100-150 more, and its a personal preference. Any more than that and its to much.
The TLDR version:
With my lifestyle, the phoneness of the Tab makes it a real winner. To others, perhaps not, but then again we all have to make our own choices as to what device/s fits for us
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LostAlone said:
Ah ok I get ya.
BJD3's abbv. version.
I'd like a tablet that can replace my phone.
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This is exactly the same boat im in. Id have to get one off contract since i just bought a captivate and plan on keeping it.
My thing is i just refuse to pay for two data plans, especially when i have AT&Ts grandfathered unlimited plan. And without 3G i can't justify the purchase of a tablet to myself.
So for me to even consider a tablet, it would HAVE to include a telephone. This is one reason i was so excited about the Streak, nut Dell kept dragging their feet bringing it to the US.
At this point, the Tab hits all my check marks, it just has to be priced somewhere south of 550 USD.
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I currently own and use an Archos 5IT 5" android tablet.
Hardware wise, it outperforms the T-mobile Galaxy S that my roommate uses, with a processor that is clocked at 600mhz. I do not remember the chipset information off the top of my head, but it is a TI chip that has some solid power on the graphics side, and OpenGL support is available now with the latest firmware updates.
The biggest issue with Archos 5IT is that while updates have been constant for the device, there is no plans to put Android 2.0+ on the device, it is currently running 1.6 and will continue to do so until a 3rd party is able to port over something newer.
The new Archos tablets will not have any "phone parts" included in them, that is part of the reason for the lower price.
It will also include their standard Archos Media Center addin, which is a rather nice full function media application that runs overtop Android on the 5IT. I use their built in media center application over any Android based ones due to its simple UI and built in access to network shares, and all in all its pretty solid.
Otherwise, I have had nothing but good things to say about the device, in spite of its few quirks, most of which are being addressed with the newest models.
I plan on using my Vibrant's "MobileAP" for 3g Data on Archos if ever needed. Why pay for two plans? Heh. So the phone capabilities don't mean much for me. Even then it'd be an at home kind of system.
Ill admit the Archos is a good tablet, but two things keep me from getting it.
It lacks a multitouch screen, and it doesn't have a 3G connection.
While I'd prefer a capacitive screen, but if the screen is like the one in my Fuze, i can deal with that, and as I've said, i can't justify a tablet if any size if it diesnt have a SIM card slot.
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Early feelings, keep in mind -- I've only used the device for a few hours.
- IPS screen is wonderful. Beats out the Xoom and it's the first thing I tested. I don't have an iPad(2) to compare it with, but if my R10 is any indication the screen is probably similar to an iPad, at least the screen angles and color balance. Yellows are yellow, not a bluish yellow.
- 16:10 screen is the best screen for comics. Yep, I'm all about comics. Superior to an 4:3 screen (sorry Apple).
- microSD card actually works. Moto, you reading this?
- ASUS Reader supports epub. Drop them into the ebooks folder, and they "just work" (assuming no DRM, of course). Give me a night mode and this would easily replace Aldiko for me (and if there is a night mode, I just haven't found it yet).
- When you force Portrait mode, the power button is on the top. They got that right, they could have just as easily screwed that up, but they didn't. And I like the power button on top vs. in the back (Xoom).
- Speakers sound good, and are not in the back.
- It's aesthetically pleasing. I like the ridges on the back and the edges. And brown is almost a welcome change in a world of black and white. It LOOKS good.
- It's US $400 for the 16GB device. That's the most important thing of all. Remember, the Viewsonic GTablet was $400 until recently and that doesn't have a GPS, an IPS screen, a 1280x800 screen, 1GB of RAM or Honeycomb support (although it does have 32GB onboard). And the 32GB Wifi Xoom is $600. I think some of these tablet makers will need to take a long hard look at their price points as ASUS is about to alter the tablet market.
Is it perfect? Nope. I hate the proprietary cable, the lack of a real AC adapter for charging, the lack of a full USB port on the tablet itself, the problematic video playback (so far), and of course Honeycomb itself needs some work. And, unlike an iPad or even a Xoom, accessories are non-existent right now and even the dock and the device itself is as hard to find as an iPad2, right now. But, time should correct at least some of these things. I think this thing is going to fly off the shelves and today's insanity was just a taste of things to come - assuming some major defect doesn't manifest itself, of course.
I don't trust a lot of people but I trust Roebeet.
I'll be mainly using my TF to read comics as well, so the 16:9 screen seems like a winner.
Robebeet, can you post some more screenshots of internal comic pages on the device? Also does it take a long time for the pages to load or to turn the pages?
I totally disagree!!!
Well, until I get my hands on one, and then I'll get back to you. LOL. For now I'm just enjoying the Xoom, and poking with the Gtab.
We'll see...
stcardinal said:
I don't trust a lot of people but I trust Roebeet.
I'll be mainly using my TF to read comics as well, so the 16:9 screen seems like a winner.
Robebeet, can you post some more screenshots of internal comic pages on the device? Also does it take a long time for the pages to load or to turn the pages?
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16:10 not 9. Just didn't want people confused. I think 16:10 is going to be better when using thumb keyboard of swiftkey beta for tablets.
Great job!
One question,does it have backlight bleeding problems?
Thanks!
Thanks for the information dude, glad you got yours.
Question:
The MyLibrary app, when its in landscape mode, does it auto double-page (like a book) or you can select single page (zoom in, etc. while in landscape)?
Roebeet,
Are you the guy who did custom ROMs for the NI ADAM? If so, do you think a different ROM would allow playback of high profile video, or are we doomed to forever have to convert them beforehand?
Thanks!
PS- I love the ASUS too. I sold my ADAM (ah, dear of PQi screen) and my iPad 1. The only thing I'm missing is AirVideo frankly.
roebeet said:
the lack of a real AC adapter for charging
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Question: what do you mean by this?
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roebeet said:
Is it perfect? Nope. I hate the proprietary cable, the lack of a real AC adapter for charging, the lack of a full USB port on the tablet itself
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Normally I loathe proprietary cables as well, but I don't think you can knock them for this since it charges at a higher voltage than standard USB can accommodate.
That said... I think Asus would have a winner if the rest of us could actually get out hands on one.
How is the gps? I'm thinking of selling my xoom for the transformer if it matches the xoom wifi's gps strength or better.
stcardinal said:
I don't trust a lot of people but I trust Roebeet.
I'll be mainly using my TF to read comics as well, so the 16:9 screen seems like a winner.
Robebeet, can you post some more screenshots of internal comic pages on the device? Also does it take a long time for the pages to load or to turn the pages?
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It's still not as fast as I'd like, but it's because of the apps I use, NOT the device. I have yet to find the perfect cbr/cbz reader for Android.
Visual360 said:
I totally disagree!!!
Well, until I get my hands on one, and then I'll get back to you. LOL. For now I'm just enjoying the Xoom, and poking with the Gtab.
We'll see...
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The Xoom is not a bad device - but I didn't like some of the design choices and, at $600 for the 32GB Wifi, it's about to be overpriced. I think Moto is going to need to drop that by at least $50, very soon
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Question: what do you mean by this [AC Charger comment]?
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The GTAB , Adam and Xoom have a separate AC port. So, I can charge it and connect it to my PC at the same time, with the USB cable. You can't do that with this tablet - you'd need the dock to do that.
It becomes annoying very quickly as you have to basically put the device aside and charge it. It basically forces me to buy the (non-existent so far) keyboard dock.
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Great job!
One question,does it have backlight bleeding problems?
Thanks!
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So far I haven't noticed any - I do have a stick pixel, though.
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16:10 not 9. Just didn't want people confused. I think 16:10 is going to be better when using thumb keyboard of swiftkey beta for tablets.
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Correct. The GTAB is 16:9 and is too long for comics. And 4:3 (iPad, and my R10) is too wide. 16:10 is the sweet spot for comics reading.
dotpro said:
Thanks for the information dude, glad you got yours.
Question:
The MyLibrary app, when its in landscape mode, does it auto double-page (like a book) or you can select single page (zoom in, etc. while in landscape)?
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It auto double pages - I don't see an option to change it (that's one bad thing about the app - very few options. I just wish it had a night mode. But it is FAST).
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I got mine yesterday... Very pleased so far.
1st, the screen is awesome. Absolutely destroys the Xoom and Galaxy Tab. The iPad screen might be a little better, but not much. It's lighter than I expected, and the build quality seems really good to me. I know some reviews commented on it, but just think Asus netbook quality.
When I first started the device it already had an update. Not sure what it fixed. Very speedy using the web browser. Tried a few apps, then downloaded the game Samurai II which I had seen in some Honeycomb YouTube videos. Signed up for the Amazon App Store. Much nicer than the Marketplace, although it is a lot better than when I used it about a year back.
So far I'm really liking Honeycomb. I think this tablet is totally worth the $400. Can't wait until I get my hand on the dock. I put in a 16gb microsd and it works perfect. Also really happy there was 12gb+ free on the device from the start...
EDIT: Very disappointed Zinio isn't available on Android yet. I thought I read it was.
roebeet said:
The GTAB , Adam and Xoom have a separate AC port. So, I can charge it and connect it to my PC at the same time, with the USB cable. You can't do that with this tablet - you'd need the dock to do that.
It becomes annoying very quickly as you have to basically put the device aside and charge it. It basically forces me to buy the (non-existent so far) keyboard dock.
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I purchased a USB 3 Cable that has the correct amount of pins needed to be used as an extension cable (Male to Female) with the Asus charger, so with a 2 meter cable i can now sit on the sofa with it plugged into the charger to get full charge whilst using the transformer.
Saves having to put it down close to a power point to charge it with the silly short cable that it came with.
Do you have. A link for the cable please
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jimbob1971 said:
Roebeet,
Are you the guy who did custom ROMs for the NI ADAM? If so, do you think a different ROM would allow playback of high profile video, or are we doomed to forever have to convert them beforehand?
Thanks!
PS- I love the ASUS too. I sold my ADAM (ah, dear of PQi screen) and my iPad 1. The only thing I'm missing is AirVideo frankly.
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I think we need a Tegra 3 for that. All these T2 devices are going to have this same problem, I think.
Hi-Def video is not high on my list of needs, so it doesn't bother me too much. If XVid AVI's work, then I'm fairly happy. But I would like to see it work, regardless. WMV's, for example, are broken - I believe the Xoom is the same. And I bet WMA's are broken too, just like the Xoom.
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How is the gps? I'm thinking of selling my xoom for the transformer if it matches the xoom wifi's gps strength or better.
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I think the Xoom's is better, but I have to test it more. I'm in my "man cave" and the Xoom GPS actually worked there. Not so on the Transformer. It also likes to eat battery life so I actually turned it off, for now.
EDIT: I went upstairs and it STILL doesn't work. I have this same issue with the Adam, but the Xoom is definitely better. The compass works, though.
Keep in mind that it may take 10-20 minutes for a new GPS to get it's initial fix and download the satellite ephemeris data, assuming a good signal. Once it has that, subsequent fixes will be a whole lot faster, unless it has been months since you turned it on and the data is too out of date.
I'm finding the GPS on the TF to be good, it works in my basement for example, where my LG Optimus will not lock on. I can't compare to the Xoom though.
I haven't been able to get my hands on this device yet. From what I can tell Asus sent out 60 total to retailers in Canada, so the odds were not good.
I am glad to see that Roebeet's on board. He's the reason I bought and enjoyed my Gtab. I'm also a big comic reader and have about 11,000 digital comics just waiting to be read on my TF, when and if I can get one.
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I haven't been able to get my hands on this device yet. From what I can tell Asus sent out 60 total to retailers in Canada, so the odds were not good.
I am glad to see that Roebeet's on board. He's the reason I bought and enjoyed my Gtab. I'm also a big comic reader and have about 11,000 digital comics just waiting to be read on my TF, when and if I can get one.
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Reading cbr's/cbz's on this thing versus the GTAB is like night and day. The GTAB used to give me a headache. I really am an IPS convert - I want to see the yellowing of the pages. Of course, I expect that when there's a 10 inch OLED or color eInk device in two years, I'll port over to that. But right now IPS is king.
Now just get me an Android device that has "smell-o-vision" so I can get that new comic smell, and I'll be all set.
Download Twonky. It is completely free, and with a strong wifi signal, streams content to Apple TV without problem.
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This is what i got on eBay for £3.49 - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200582349334&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
Hey,
heres a thread about the brand-new Gen9
Some infos:
Prices:
Archos 101 G9 16 GB - 299$
Archos 101 G9 250 GB HDD - 399$
Archos 80 G9 16 GB - 259$
Some Specs:
Screen Resolution - 1280x800
Android 3.1 Honeycomb
Cpu - ARM Dual-Core Cortex A9 OMAP4 1.5 GHz
RAM - 1GB SD-DDR2
Video Playback - Full-HD (1920x1080p)
Webcam - 720p HD resolution
Interfaces: Usb Host, MicroSd Slot,HDMI output
Built-In GPS,G-Sensor,Vibrator,Compass,Kickstand and a microphone
Weight: Archos 80 : SD - 465g HD - 599g
Weight: Archos 101 : SD - 649g HD - 755g
Official Android Market Support
Support for the Archos 3G USB Stick
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Archos 80 G9
Archos 101 G9
really digging the Gen9
I'll say what I said at ArchosFans
Just some initial impressions.
I think the design is much improved over Gen8 (assuming that the video posted on their website is an actual design, not just a rendering)
I also like the way that they implemented the 3G stick. I guess this allows them to make one type of device and give users the option to get 3G at a later time. This is better than other manufacturers who came out with 3G versions of their tablets, but made us wait for a WiFi version.
I just saw that the 3G USB stick is also compatible with your PC and you can use one plan for whatever you connect it to. That is AWESOME! I hope it's T-Mo/AT&T bands.
Also, thank God they finally put a full USB on both models. I have an A70 and needed that silly host cable, which I was never able to get.
Webcam is a real plus, and Full Android Market. So is the upgraded processor, though I suspect that it will be a generation behind by the time it is released in September. Tech moves so fast these days. Looks like quad core mobile processors will be in tablets by next year.
I also like the fact that they went with 8 and 10 this time. I have always firmly held that 10 inches is just too big (that's what she said). But of late, I have been longing for a little more screen real estate when browsing the web or watching videos on my A70.
Haters...I mean Engadget did make a good point about Ice Cream Sandwich (herein after referred to as ICS) will be released about a month or so before Gen9's release. I am glad to see Honeycomb, but I look forward to ICS within a couple of months after it's release. I think that's reasonable.
Looks like we have a winner. I will definitely be selling my Gen8 and picking up a Gen9. Lets hope they figure out how to do a product launch without last years debacle.
nice price and features, wish to have 2nd camera, but no big deal.
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Looks like we have a winner. I will definitely be selling my Gen8 and picking up a Gen9. Lets hope they figure out how to do a product launch without last years debacle.
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I`ll wait for the G10 or G11, because i buy my 101 just in januar I really dont want to buy every year a new tablet
i think there will be a chance for porting the Android 3.1 Honeycomb from the G9 to our G8 what do you think about that?
I don't think so, nothing in the Hardware is the same, better to start from scratch
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I don't think so, nothing in the Hardware is the same, better to start from scratch
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Yeah, but i also meant that we`ll get the Source Code in Q4 of 2011, and then will be the G9`ers released
i just want honeycomb on my 101
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i just want honeycomb on my 101
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We all do!
But there is a hard way to master this...
And we need the Source Code, which propably will released in Q4 2011
I liked my 7", why did they have to blow it up?
Everyone i know likes the 7" more because it is easier to carry and big enough for everything.
And 4x3 why?
We loose alot on most HD widescreen video's.
And why don't they state how much main memory the have?
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And why don't they state how much main memory the have?
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They dont do it for the Gen8 either..
I think, the Gen9 Design isn't good, but the specs and the price are really great!
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I think, the Gen9 Design isn't good, but the specs and the price are really great!
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Yep thats what i thought
I dont like the gray "border" they shouldnt change the look i like the gen8 look very much another reason, why i propably wait for G10 or even G11
I like the Design of the galaxy tab. I don't like it, if devices have such a big border around the screen.
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I like the Design of the galaxy tab. I don't like it, if devices have such a big border around the screen.
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I dont like the style of Galaxy Tab Anyway, we cant argue about likings
Do you want to buy a G9?
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I dont like the style of Galaxy Tab Anyway, we cant argue about likings
Do you want to buy a G9?
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No, because I don't want to spend much money in tablets.
My A70 is like a toy for me, so I will buy me a new smartphone or PC.
I will buy a new tablet, if it will be more useful, like a netbook.
One worrying issue from the Gen8 was the high report rate of screen breakage from normal use (ie not drops). When the screen breaks, you're SOL, since warranty doesn't cover it, and vendors automatically say it's your fault and won't take returns (no I don't want to buy SquareTrade). Unless/until I hear evidence that the Gen9 has better tempered glass than the Gen8, it doesn't matter how cheap the thing is.
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I liked my 7", why did they have to blow it up?
Everyone i know likes the 7" more because it is easier to carry and big enough for everything.
And 4x3 why?
We loose alot on most HD widescreen video's.
And why don't they state how much main memory the have?
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Archos seems to be pretty responsive to the community that they cater to. People have been harping on the lack of app storage space on Gen8 since it was released. I think Archos has learned their lesson and will provide a suitable amount of RAM in the Gen9 this time around. 1 gig will be sufficient I think.
As for design, I think there should be a poll so we can vote on it. I personally think it's ok. They all look the same to me for the most part, so it's what's inside that counts.
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Unless/until I hear evidence that the Gen9 has better tempered glass than the Gen8, it doesn't matter how cheap the thing is.
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I think then you have to wait until the first A9 products are shipping
Im dont gonna buy a G9 either, but just because i dont want to buy a new tab every year
Tempting new devices. Glad they dropped the camera on the back - utterly pointless on a tablet IMHO. Prices look excellent as well (buy 2 instead of one ipad?)
Three things will make my decision for me
1. Is it a genuine full size and properly powered USB host so I can plug in memory sticks and cameras on my travels without a cable?
2. Decent main memory capacity (say 1GB)
3. Good reports from early adopters!
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Tempting new devices. Glad they dropped the camera on the back - utterly pointless on a tablet IMHO. Prices look excellent as well (buy 2 instead of one ipad?)
Three things will make my decision for me
1. Is it a genuine full size and properly powered USB host so I can plug in memory sticks and cameras on my travels without a cable?
2. Decent main memory capacity (say 1GB)
3. Good reports from early adopters!
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1) You have! Maybe even two usb hosts
2) I think they'll bring us at least 512 MB
3) To that i cant say anything
I have the transformer 32GB version. It really impressed me comparing it to my gtablet. Unfortunately the touchscreen stopped working within 24 hours. Even running nvflash with the stock 3.1 image has not revived it. They may more may not have another (the did not have the 16GB version thats why I got the 32). Has anyone tried both and what are your thoughts on the galaxy tab? How is browser flash?
While I never owned a transformer, one of my coworkers brought his in to let me use it for a day before I purchased the gtab 10.1. The Transformer is great if you want all the expansion ports like the sd card and more so, the ability to dock it to turn it into a netbook. With that being said, the Galaxy 10.1 is a much more refined product. After playing with the Transformer for a while you really appreciate just how much lighter and thinner the Galaxy is. I actually understand why they didn't put any of the expansion ports onto the sides of the tab because it would have really interrupted a great form factor.
If you're choosing one of these over the other, it would definitely be because of the hardware though. The software is very close to being the same since the internals are pretty much identical.
TRansformer is good. since nvflash's secure key been found by RaYmAn. you can flash anything on it if you like
Thanks I'm going to try just a straight replacement. It makes me uneasy that out of 3 people getting them at work 2 of them had the touch not working issue. Going to try seeing if Fry's has the 16GB and downgrade. Only got the 32GB because they were OOS for 16GB.
I sold my TF to get the I/O Tab, and I think the latter wins hands down.
The TF looked like a cheaper product, w some weird hw bugs (mine had an unaligned display w some light bleed, a creaking case and an audio alignment issue), while the Tab looks like a more polished product, it's much more portable and light to handle and I have yet to find any problem aside from Honeycomb's well known issues.
I'd never use HDMI on such a device and by having 32GB of onboard storage I doubt I'd ever need a SD card expansion slot (but just in case I'll buy the USB Host adapter to plug in any HDD or USB Dongle I should need).
Maybe it was just me being unlucky w/ the Asus and lucky w/ the Samsung, but I'm really happy of my new tablet and atm I wouldn't look back for any other device out on the market.
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Maybe it was just me being unlucky w/ the Asus and lucky w/ the Samsung, but I'm really happy of my new tablet and atm I wouldn't look back for any other device out on the market.
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This. I went through two TFs, the first with a dead touchscreen and the second with an uneven bezel and light leak. Design wise it's slick. Quality not so much.
It's telling that the local Fry's has (according to the sales dude) gone through three demo units on display in the last month because the touch screen keeps dying.
When I see the announcement of 10.1 ...I already set my mind to get the 10.1. But when the Transformer was launched and sold out every where, I managed to get a 16G version on Walmart ...So I got the keyboard dock too, not that I need it.
And then the 10.1 launched, I ordered the 32G from Amazon. Very happy so far. Love it...it's lighter than TF and sexy. I don't care much about those ports and MicroSD. The speed of the MicroSD is slow and I don't want to cough out the extra $$$ to buy a CLASS 10 MicroSD. So the 32G is good for me...esp when using the EZreader to read some downloaded magazines. It's loaded some much better and smoother than TF. Now I still waiting for the Skinomi skin to arrive, so I can stick it on my 10.1......that will be nice....I love the look of the bare TAB rather with a Cover. Just handle it with EXTRA CARE.
And my TF goes to my Sister!
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It's telling that the local Fry's has (according to the sales dude) gone through three demo units on display in the last month because the touch screen keeps dying.
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We are at 2 out of 5 at work. If it happens again and there isn't a fix by then(it has to be a software issue) I will get the tab. I prefer the hackability of the asus but not if it doesn't work.
How does the screen compare to the galaxy tab 10.1. Is. It like comparing the retna display to the super amoled display? Hopefully its not to much of a difference
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10.1 screen is superior if you like oversaturated colors.
also it's superior because of the PLS display. IPS on transformer seems to have screen bleeding as a standard.
Saw comments from asus Germany in their blog (http://blog.asus.de/asus-eeepad-slider-transformer-–-mehr-als-nur-tablets/), they say it's normal and ipads have it too. You can translate this passage to your language:
Das Streulicht der Hintergrundbeleuchtung kann bei maximalem Schwarzwert in das Display, das ist aber aufrund der dünnen Bauweise prinzipbedingt, davon werden selbst Pads von Hersteller mit Obst Logo nicht gefeit sein… ob das wirklich störend ist, ist ein subjektives Emfinden.
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Some scattered light from the backlight can pass the display @ max. black levels. That's a structure problem with thin architectures. Even pads from the publisher with a fruit logo are not immune to it. It's depends on taste if it's disturbing.
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Also black is not really black on transformer, you see it if you have both side by side. The min and max brightness settings can go deeper/higher on 10.1. Contrast is superior too.
I bought the transformer and returned it less then a week later. The screen bleed was terrible, at full brightness 1/3 of my screen was light grey when looking at black. The colors dull, and Max brightness a tad to low. It certainly felt well built though, no creeks or anything. The size difference is noticeable, but that in particular wasn't a game changer for me. Having had both, I'm glad I went with the galaxy.
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Now I still waiting for the Skinomi skin to arrive, so I can stick it on my 10.1......that will be nice....I love the look of the bare TAB rather with a Cover. Just handle it with EXTRA CARE.
And my TF goes to my Sister!
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I have the Samsung Book Case cover. I still use the Tab at home without a case because it feels so good in my hands. The cover is for when I leave the house with the Tab.
I also bought the Transformer first and returned it. I am contemplating exchanging my 10.1 for another Transformer. Not because I think the TF is better. It's not. However, for that price, it is much smarter to go with if you are planning to be an early adopter of Kal-El.
With that said, the display was full of light bleeds and that is a major pet peeve of mine. The speakers were not nearly loud enough. I could barely hear a movie on it with the volume at max. With the 10.1, my gf yells at me to turn it down. It had some pretty bad creaking, too.
Do I miss the SD card? Hell yes, but not because of space. The 10.1 is a pain in the ass to mount. I always have to turn USB Debugging on and off. And when you mount it, it's not seen as a removable disk. It's seen as a media device. You can only copy/move one large file at a time and can't even see picture thumbnails. Stupid.
Anyways, I may return it for the TF since I'm really just waiting for the next batch of tablets. Amazon Hollywood anyone?
Had the TF with the dock. Updated to 3.1. Glitchy and laggy as hell. Like everyone else has said... Lots of light bleed eveywhere. I also had the panel pulling away on a corner. So after a week I returned it. Got the tab 10.1... Night and day difference... No lag, perfect screen... Butter. But, just to make sure I dont want a smaller tab, i just got a nook color and installed CM7. That is a hard to beat combo for $250. The special soft buttons are very well done... Plus its a piece of cake to install once you get a bootable CWM micro sd card setup. But, it will be going back. Its hard to consider using anything else after having the 10.1. I would say that thr TF has the best overall screen color and saturation... Very natural and mac like a colors. That said, the 10.1 is the best android tablet available.
Edit: Not sure if my dock was faulty but typing on it was not pleasant. The keys only responded if you hit them dead center and the track pad was useless.
Has anyone used the official samsung dock keyboard?
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I tried 3 tab from yesterday. First, Toshiba Thrive(32GB) (available @ BB in store). I totally loved it. It has everything in it. But so far I haven't seem any support from and dev on xda. Well, today afternoon I exchanged that with Transformer (16GB). Frankly speaking, I was missing Thrive a lot. Anyway, it was running 3.0.1. It automatically downloaded update for 3.1. Manually installed it. Everything was working smoothly, until I found that it couldn't play FLAC. Also, the sound from one of the speaker was quite low, and overall not as loud as Toshiba Thrive. In the evening, I returned that and got Tab 10.1 (32GB) and the first thing that I said even before booting was WOW!!!! Once it booted, it was like another WOW!!!. Currently I haven't played much with the Samsung Tab 10.1 yet.
I hope in future I see some love for Toshiba Thrive.
Again a post about this booting issue. I actually have no problems with it and see it as a plus. When I connect it to my computer, it recognizes it as a removable disk 100%. It behaves just like any usb flash.
I have Win7 on my computer.
I did:
1. go to control panel, uninstall any samsung usb drivers
2. go to the tab, disable usb debugging.
3. connect both of them. Let the computer do its work on reinstalling the drivers.
Thats it. IT WORKS 100% NOW AS A REMOVABLE DISK. It actually behaves way better than my rooted samsung galaxy fascinate, which requires 3 button presses to confirm you want usb storage mode, and 30% simply wont be recogninzed by the computer. The tab 10.1 works every time without any prompts.
ericc191 said:
I also bought the Transformer first and returned it. I am contemplating exchanging my 10.1 for another Transformer. Not because I think the TF is better. It's not. However, for that price, it is much smarter to go with if you are planning to be an early adopter of Kal-El.
With that said, the display was full of light bleeds and that is a major pet peeve of mine. The speakers were not nearly loud enough. I could barely hear a movie on it with the volume at max. With the 10.1, my gf yells at me to turn it down. It had some pretty bad creaking, too.
Do I miss the SD card? Hell yes, but not because of space. The 10.1 is a pain in the ass to mount. I always have to turn USB Debugging on and off. And when you mount it, it's not seen as a removable disk. It's seen as a media device. You can only copy/move one large file at a time and can't even see picture thumbnails. Stupid.
Anyways, I may return it for the TF since I'm really just waiting for the next batch of tablets. Amazon Hollywood anyone?
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Again a post about this booting issue. I actually have no problems with it and see it as a plus. When I connect it to my computer, it recognizes it as a removable disk 100%. It behaves just like any usb flash.
I have Win7 on my computer.
I did:
1. go to control panel, uninstall any samsung usb drivers
2. go to the tab, disable usb debugging.
3. connect both of them. Let the computer do its work on reinstalling the drivers.
Thats it. IT WORKS 100% NOW AS A REMOVABLE DISK. It actually behaves way better than my rooted samsung galaxy fascinate, which requires 3 button presses to confirm you want usb storage mode, and 30% simply wont be recogninzed by the computer. The tab 10.1 works every time without any prompts.
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I think you are confused. The 10.1 will only show as a media device. This is what shows after using the instructions you provided. I have an 8GB flash drive plugged in as well. That is how I wish the 10.1 worked.
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can't you change that in options somewhere? my galaxy s has an option to choose from auto/kies/mass storage when connected to pc. phone mode is for kies software.
I had the Transformer for about three weeks, and then my screen would not display anything. The device was on, as I found out, and the hdmi worked fine so I was able to factory reset it. I was still within the return time for Amazon, but of course the Transformer wasn't in stock. $100 dollars more and one microsd slot less later I has a Samsung Tab.
I didn't think that the weight and thinness would be that noticeable, but I found it rather amazing how different they were. Also, the stability is much better, tho some of the native apps on the Transformer were a little more useful, but that functionality can be found on the market anyway (ahem, remote desktop) and pulse is actually pretty cool. (the samsung tab native news feed)
I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you haven't already read, but all things considered I'm actually happy with the tab. I have a small case for my laptop. The transformer didn't fit without more pressure then I was comfortable with, but the tab slides right in with no encouragement.
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I have actually owned the Asus Transformer and now the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. Point blank, the Galaxy Tab wins hands down. At first I was reluctant to give up my Transformer because I bought the dock, but after installing Thumb Keyboard, I used the dock less. I hated the lag that occured when typing online with Transformer.
Seriously...there is really no reason to keep the Transformer other than price and built-in media card slots.
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is marvelous to hold in your hands whereas the Asus Transformer cut into your palms at bit. The GT is lighter and sleek. The screen is remarkably better in terms of quality and responsiveness. There's a plethora of accessories both from Samsung and 3rd parties currently available. There's even a case with a built-in Bluetooth keyboard coming soon if you need a physical keyboard badly.
As for the mounting issues, those are easily fixed by installing the correct drivers from the Samsung website.
Unless you just want to save money or want to be loyal to Asus, there is no reason to be afraid of upgrading (yes upgrading) to the GT 10.1.
So as we all know Amazon released their tablet today. It's a bit underwhelming as far as I can tell, but the price point ($199) makes it extremely enticing. How do we think this will affect Archos (which is generally the best price/performance option up to now). Below are the tech specs for both.
Archos 80 Gen9 Technical Details
Display:
8”: 1024 x 768
OS:
Android
Processor:
Standard version: ARM dual-core CORTEX A9 OMAP™ 4 @ 1GHz.
Turbo version: ARM dual-core CORTEX A9 OMAP™ 4 @ 1.2GHz to 1.5GHz (at start of 2012).
Storage:
Flash Memory: 8 or 16GB* + microSD Slot (SDHC compatible)
Webcam:
720p front camera with 720p encoding
microSD (SDHC compatible)
Dimensions & weight:
Flash series: 226 mm x 155 mm x 11.7 mm (8.90 x 6.11 x 0.46 inch) - 465g (17 oz)
Amazon Kindle Tablet Technical Details
Display:
7" multi-touch display with IPS (in-plane switching) technology and anti-reflective treatment, 1024 x 600 pixel resolution at 169 ppi, 16 million colors.
OS:
Android (Amazon isn't specific but apparently it is Froyo with Amazon's custom skin)
Processor:
Dual-Core 1GHz Proc (Amazon isn't specific as to exact processor. It may be the same dual-core Cortex that Archos is using, but who knows.)
Storage:
8GB internal. That's enough for 80 apps, plus either 10 movies or 800 songs or 6,000 books. Plus Free cloud storage for all Amazon content
NO MicroSD Slot
Webcam:
None
Dimensions & Weight:
(in inches) 7.5" x 4.7" x 0.45" (190 mm x 120 mm x 11.4 mm). 14.6 ounces (413 grams).
The G9 80 is way overpriced. Ditto for the rest of the G9 line. The competition has spoken.
That, plus Amazon's brand strength, service, and distribution muscle, it's no contest. Many more people will be buying the KF than the G9, which in turns means there'll be a much larger modding community for the KF than the G9.
Archos' ace, the video player, is less of a factor with this new gen, since the 4430 is pretty capable with the software players as it is. With Dice Player, you can play the majority of 720p MKVs on Tegra 2. With the 4430, all 720p should be playable.
My hope is that B&N will match the KF's $200 price with its upcoming NC2. It will also have a 4430. It should prove to be better for modding than the KF, assuming the inclusion of a SD slot as with the current NC.
PS: In case it's not already known, the KF's SoC is already identified as a dual-core OMAP4, which can only mean the 4430.
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I think we all know that amazon will sell more tablet than archos
it is like h&m and a little but good clothes job
Archos just isn't so public, and the "ipad-factor" is still there, people still ask me if it my 101 an ipad...
This is the cause why the new archos tablets aren't so low priced (i think they are low-priced, but not enough for some persons) : archos doesnt have many empoyes, they haven't big deals with the manufactures in china and they just dont sell so much like apple or samsung...
in france archos is much more etablished than f.e. in germany
Nobody knows archos here, i bought the first android tablet from archos, and 5 of my friends bought an archos tablet i think this is because, archos is just so good known here..
i wish to archos that they will be more public this time!
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I think this is a good comparison because two good tablets so i hit thanks for techngro
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I think the Archos tabs are more appealing for Europeans than for non-EU folks because of pricing. Archos tabs are priced pretty close to exchange rate, whereas for most other tablets, the price is much more lopsided.
For example, the newly introduced (basic) Kindle is USD$79, but for the UK it's £89 ($139) or 76% more.
For the Archos 80 G9: $300 for US, £200 for UK (or $313), or 4% more.
The Archos G9 just isn't very compelling in the US, price-wise or performance-wise. And now, it seems like poor build quality is an issue as well,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FK37WbzToo
More details here,
http://forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=57231
wifi on the booth
but Bluetooth ? Gps ? 3G ?
The Kindle Tablt has WiFi and BT, but not GPS or 3G.
I also read that even though it will have access to Amazon's Android App Store, it will not have access to the official Google Market. If true, that's a bit of a bummer. I'm sure Amazon can just throw some money at devs to make sure all of the top apps are ready for launch. I hope this gets rooted though.
No camera, so no Video-Skype.
And after the experience with the Amazon-Market ( free app of the day ), i hope that the devs don't do anything in and for the Amazon market.
http://shiftyjelly.wordpress.com/2011/08/02/amazon-app-store-rotten-to-the-core/
Oh yeah, I totally forgot about their App of the Day stuff. That sucks for devs. I hope they change it. It sounds like the kind of thing that is ripe for a lawsuit with the confusing language that Amazon uses in their agreement.
Anyway, once it's rooted most people will go back to using the Google Market. I don't think I've even once downloaded anything from the Amazon App Store.
How about the battery? I wonder how long can these 2 devices standby in idle mod
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the newly introduced (basic) Kindle is USD$79, but for the UK it's £89 ($139) or 76% more.
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You compare "special offers" Kindle with ordinal one. The Kindle without ads costs $103 in the US, so difference isn't that much. Yes, as far as I know all electronics in the UK is more expensive comparing to States.
kiemthu123, nobody knows about the battery yet. Kindle Fire will be available to public after mid-November.
I need a tablet that has a strong battery so I can comfortably use in my study. My archos 70 now can not standby in idle mod for 10 days, the battery runs out rappidly, I dont know what 2 do with it now. So Im wanna sell it and wait 4 the archos 80 G9 1.5GHz and 1G ram or maybe I should buy an IPAD 2
missing some specs there
Even the low end g9 has HDMI output usb 2. in/out GPS. Does the kindle?
I think Amazon is going to boost the Battery of the Kindle. And this will be one huge selling point.
The other official Specs of the Kindle are not that overwhelming.
So the G9 will be better than Kindel if the build - quality is ok.
The lack of a memory card slot on the Kindle is really unfortunate, I think.
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I need a tablet that has a strong battery so I can comfortably use in my study. My archos 70 now can not standby in idle mod for 10 days, the battery runs out rappidly, I dont know what 2 do with it now. So Im wanna sell it and wait 4 the archos 80 G9 1.5GHz and 1G ram or maybe I should buy an IPAD 2
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Honestly, I don't know a tablet that can do standby for 10 days. I know the Kindle can, but it is totally different. The Kindle has a different kind of screen (e-ink), and totally different internals. I think you will have to be satisfied with either a replaceable battery (there are a couple), or a tablet that can charge via usb so you can top it off while you're in class or studying at the library.
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Even the low end g9 has HDMI output usb 2. in/out GPS. Does the kindle?
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You're totally right, the Kindle Tablet does not have an HDMI or even mini HDMI (like my A70) and no full usb port. It has a micro usb that can do host mode with an adapter (like my A70). This is particularly puzzling considering that Amazon is really trying to make this a media device primarily.
It does make more sense that GPS would be one of the casualties of Amazon trying to hit the lowest price point possible. I have a phone that I use GPS on. Almost every smartphone these days does. I don't suspect that many people really NEED GPS on their tablet.
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I think Amazon is going to boost the Battery of the Kindle. And this will be one huge selling point.
The other official Specs of the Kindle are not that overwhelming.
So the G9 will be better than Kindel if the build - quality is ok.
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I agree, but one of the things holding me back from the Gen9 are the size (I really love the size of my A70) and the design. I don't like the two-tone grey and black and I think they could have made it thinner like the Gen8s.
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The lack of a memory card slot on the Kindle is really unfortunate, I think.
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This is another issue that puzzles me. I understand that Amazon wants this to be a media streaming/cloud device. If that's the case, shouldn't it have included 3G data components. How can I store my stuff in the cloud if I don't always have access to it? I (personally) can tether to my phone and get 4G, but it just seems strange that they overlooked this point.
They didn't overlook that point.
1. 3G would have made the tablet more expensiv.
2. You as an US citicen know the price for a real data flatrate, Amazon didn't want to be accused to be expensive.
Yes I think there is no need for GPS on a tablet, I use my tablet in studying and reading books so maybe kindle is what I need. But I wanna wait until archos 80 G9 1.5 GHz 1G ram is on store, then I will make a decision of selling my archos 70 and buy a new one
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They didn't overlook that point.
1. 3G would have made the tablet more expensiv.
2. You as an US citicen know the price for a real data flatrate, Amazon didn't want to be accused to be expensive.
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They may not have "overlooked" it, but it's still puzzling all the same.
It's not like there aren't other tablets with 3G, and those tablets aren't marketing themselves as always connected "cloud" devices like Amazon is marketing the KT. They put 8GB and no microsd because you're supposed to use all of their streaming services for most of your media/content (video, music, Amazon Prime, etc).
Well, public wifi isn't ubiquitous yet, and not everyone can tether their phones (especially since carriers seem to be cracking down on tethering without a tethering plan). And if I want to stream a video, I'd like to be able to do it while waiting for\on the bus and not have to limit myself to Starbucks or McDonalds. I'm not saying that every tablet has to have 3G, but when you specifically market your device as a cloud device, it's strange that you don't even have an option for a 3G capable device.
It couldn't have cost them that much more to add a 3G (not 4G) radio. Or they could have done what Archos did with their Gen 9 and just add a sim card slot so you can use your already existing data plan when you want. I would gladly pay $250 for a 3G tablet. It's still half the price of the iPad and they're selling it at a loss at $199 anyway.
That's the problem.
Amazon wanted a sub $200 Price for retail with a dualcore ips tablet.
And therefore they sacrifised all the things technogeeks like us "need",
because they are targetting the "normal housewife", granny and co,
because there are alot more out there that would buy for that price.
fzelle said:
That's the problem.
Amazon wanted a sub $200 Price for retail with a dualcore ips tablet.
And therefore they sacrifised all the things technogeeks like us "need",
because they are targetting the "normal housewife", granny and co,
because there are alot more out there that would buy for that price.
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All i'm saying is that they could have at least given the option, given that they are pushing it as a cloud device. Let the grannies pay $199 for a wifi version, and let us technogeeks pay $250 for a 3G version. Which is probably what they'll do in some form eventually. There are rumors that the Kindle Fire is just a first taste, and they will be releasing both a 7" and 10" tablet with more features in Q1 of 2012.