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So who's working on the tether app?

We all need it. Which one of you geniuses are going to write the tether app?

If we can ssh in we could just set up a proxy thru putty/SSH. Simple solution for now but an "internet Sharing" app would be nice. I am not much of a programmer but I love to play with Linux and I am hoping that I can make some c apps work.... like mplayer

Yes! most def!
If I can't tether, i'm buying a crappy sony phone from Tmobile for 3G / modem for my laptop. (if it'll work)

ok.... so does anyone have any ideas? The Wireless API doesn't seem to have support for AP mode so would we have to put our laptops into AP mode or carry a router with us everywhere? If it can be put into AP mode then we need to find out if the kernel will have iptables support. Can we run shell scripts in the Java? I can't find anything on the USB port and the Bluetooth API was removed from the SDK. I would love to see this work but without a connection to the PC I don't see how. Once we get a PC connection it should be fairly easy to make this work.

aad4321 said:
Im kind of afraid of this opensouce thing. I hope people dont take advantage of it and charge people a rediculous amount of money to use a simple app they have made. (like the iphone). This is ony of the reasons why i like windows mobile so much is because of all of the free apps available
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The reason winmo has so many apps available is because it's been around for a long time. Just having a lot of stuff doesn't mean it has a lot of *good* stuff. Having 1000 notepad applications that don't do what you like isn't really a good situation.
Android is relatively new. But the ease with which someone can become a developer for the platform is definitely a plus for future software coming very quickly. An Android developer can readily download all the equipment necessary to make an Android app for free in a few minutes. If he or she already knows java, it's that much easier.
I imagine that marketplace will be just like it is for other platforms. Many developers who are already open-source-oriented will definitely release their applications for free. Many others will charge just a small amount because they know they can't make a return on exorbitant fees. Also, despite the bad press they've gotten, Google's philosophy is still "do no evil." I don't think they'd let a dev gouge the community. All these factors make the Android philosophy automatically better than the Apple model.

hiimcliff said:
We all need it. Which one of you geniuses are going to write the tether app?
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Hah, considering T-Mobile will limit your speeds as low as 50kbps if you use too much bandwidth, I don't think tethering is a great idea. You'll make it like 10 days with 3G speeds and then have dial-up speeds from then on.

they removed the 1gb cap and are doing it based off of usage. I use tethering on my Mogul with sprint and barely use 3gb in a month, with downloading stuff plus WoW and browsing alot. But it's not a tethering app for the G1 remember. Yes initially, but it will be used as an app for any android phone. So the need for a tethering app is there still.

there's a rumor T-Mobile plans to set a limit at 10GB
it's good enough for 99.999%, even you do tethering

tether or AP?
I would much rather have an AP app then say a USB or BT tether imo. I have heard that there is a debug CLI on the USB port but I think that it tied into the walled garden well above the linux shell level, but its a start. I should have got into this thing in 07 but honestly I never thought it would see the light of day...

mingkee said:
there's a rumor T-Mobile plans to set a limit at 10GB
it's good enough for 99.999%, even you do tethering
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On certain plans you will have a 10gig limit

It _may_ be closer than you think

Well, all I know is I'd use a LOT of data if I tethered. I used over a gig in 3 weeks of owning my Fuze (1095MB), and using that connection on a computer would easily triple it. I sincerely doubt T-Mobile is going to allow you to take 4 gigs a month when their previous cap was at 1 and they changed the wording of the contract.

Black93300ZX said:
Hah, considering T-Mobile will limit your speeds as low as 50kbps if you use too much bandwidth, I don't think tethering is a great idea. You'll make it like 10 days with 3G speeds and then have dial-up speeds from then on.
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I have a kaiser in UK with the webandwalk plan. I stream things regularly and only once got a letter mentioning that I was going too much over the "limit". Other than that I never felt any slowing in my speed.
Regards
Emerson

Ok so back to a tether app.... has anyone figured out how to connect the G1 to a PC? WiFi would be the best solution if we could set it in AP mode but I haven't found a way to do that. So how about bluetooth? I heard they removed the bluetooth API in 0.9 and 1.0. That leaves USB but I am not sure how to make that work either. If we could get some connection to the PC that would be a big start.

Confirmed That It Will Have A 10 Gig Limit...then You Have Edge Connection For Remainder Of Bill Cyc..wifi Is The Alternative To Still Use The Phones Web W/ 3g Like Browsing

dre332256 said:
Confirmed That It Will Have A 10 Gig Limit...then You Have Edge Connection For Remainder Of Bill Cyc..wifi Is The Alternative To Still Use The Phones Web W/ 3g Like Browsing
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-is there anyway that you could give us a link or was this a rep?
-i have read things about the 10 cap but i am not sure either...
-some people say "just wait" but this gives us something to do until the delivery

A Rep...and There Has To Be A Data Plan Or You Can Only Call 911 And 611

Chainfire said:
It _may_ be closer than you think
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My connection pwns yours (lolz), thanks for the idea for the sig though.

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derkenblosh said:
Yes! most def!
If I can't tether, i'm buying a crappy sony phone from Tmobile for 3G / modem for my laptop. (if it'll work)
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fyi everyone tmobile is requiring the g1 to have a specific data plan that you have to have for the g1. And the word is that it only works with the g1 so you cant just swap your sim card into another phone and expect the data plan to work. I have the same problem and thought I could do that with my WING but apparently not. Guess we have to wait for someone to make a tethering app.

Dirtay said:
fyi everyone tmobile is requiring the g1 to have a specific data plan that you have to have for the g1. And the word is that it only works with the g1 so you cant just swap your sim card into another phone and expect the data plan to work. I have the same problem and thought I could do that with my WING but apparently not. Guess we have to wait for someone to make a tethering app.
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I called CS about this question, the answer is: you can
keep in mind that, G1 uses epc.tmobile.com as APN, try it on Wing
you even can request CS to add VPN tag in order to use internet3 APN
will pick up G1 at corp store, and setup my account, switch to G1 data service and add VPN tag
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1444468

How to save alot of $$$ on data

Ok so I got my G1 and a tmobile account, judging by there coverage map I should of had great service at home, work, and everywhere in between. Well after a week of struggling with no service more then half the time I decided to unlock my phone and use my old razr's sim (att). So I knew I would want data, I go onto the att site and low and behold I can use the cheap $15/month data plan!! It works perfectly (edge only but I'm not in a 3g area either way) I have been using it for over a month now with no problems, got my bill and didn't get any overages or anything what-so-ever. The trick is that att doesn't have any G1 IMEI's in there database so they just have it listed as a unknown device and can't force you to use a smartphone data plan.
For anyone who gets ****ty tmobile service, or no 3g and no hopes of ever getting it then this is a great choice. Yea you need someone else to use the tmobile account unless you can get out of it for free (do alot of roaming they will let you out of your contract, or complain about bad service for 2-3 months). Anyway I thought I would share this with the community, hope some of you find it useful.

I think there is a similar method for the G1 where you can use the old "tzones" plan for 5$? but cheap services are REALLY slow...

Yea I read about that on modmyg but tmobile is now checking IMEI's for that to see if anyone with a G1 is using it. I don't know about the speed on there but with att I get full speed on edge just like I do on there smartphone data plan. A lot better then the GPRS I got with tmobile, if I got any service from them at all.

There was an article on boygenius and other places that as of September 9th, AT&T would start requiring the $30 data plan for all smartphones. Those on the $15 data plan (such as I) would be grandfathered in. IMEI database be damned
And the $15 data plan is not slower. I regularly clock 1 - 1.5Mbps. There are other issues however. You don't get a real internet IP which might cause issues with some apps such as VPN. VPN doesn't work well, or at all.
Generally speaking though, I've had no issues using my Rooted G1 on AT&T's cheaper $15 data plan.
Personally I think $30 data plan with a real IP address on 3G is well worth the money, it's the damn voice minutes that are way overpriced.
-James

jmacdonald801 said:
There was an article on boygenius and other places that as of September 9th, AT&T would start requiring the $30 data plan for all smartphones. Those on the $15 data plan (such as I) would be grandfathered in. IMEI database be damned
And the $15 data plan is not slower. I regularly clock 1 - 1.5Mbps. There are other issues however. You don't get a real internet IP which might cause issues with some apps such as VPN. VPN doesn't work well, or at all.
Generally speaking though, I've had no issues using my Rooted G1 on AT&T's cheaper $15 data plan.
Personally I think $30 data plan with a real IP address on 3G is well worth the money, it's the damn voice minutes that are way overpriced.
-James
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Yea I read that too.The thing is ATT doesn't have the G1 in there database because it's not a device they (officialy) support. They have no way of knowing it is a smartphone, which is why you are able to choose the $15 plan, when I had my fuze on there it wouldn't even show it as a choice. If they knew it was a smartphone you wouldn't even be able to choose it. I am in a area where 3G isn't, and probably never will be so I don't care about having it you know. If it was available then I would of gotten the Roger's dream so to be compatible with the ATT 3G bands.
edit: here is that artricle
Data plans (on everything but the iPhone) are incredibly profitable for carriers like AT&T. Most smartphone users pay for way more bandwidth than they will ever actually use. That's why ATT has made the choice to start requiring data plans with all of their smartphone purchases. If you already have a smartphone with AT&T but no data plan, your phone will be grandfathered in and you will not have to buy a plan.
According to a leaked internal email found by Boy Genius this change will come to the AT&T network on September 6th. If you currently use a non-smart phone with a data plan, you will have to upgrade to a non-MediaNet plan when you buy a smartphone. Unlocked handsets will not be affected by this change.
AT&T claims that this change has been made in order to give customers the “best possible experience” by ensuring they have a “predictable bill”. That's a funny way to say, “we want more money, and you have to pay.”
To be honest, this change probably won't affect very many people. ATT notes that the vast majority of customers with smartphones use data plans. When people buy an Internet phone they tend to want to have access to the Internet. This is a pretty transparent ploy to buff profit margins, but it's also not a big enough change that it is going to get a lot of customers up in arms.

Well I've had the $15 data plan forever. I don't even remember what **** phone I used to sign up for it.
But if you want the cheap data plan here's what you do. Did this for a friend.
Find the cheapest 3G phone AT&T sells,. go on ebay, buy it for $25. Call AT&T up and register it on your account with the IMEI number, then get online and add your $15 data. Then put the sim in to your Rogers G1.
Better get on it before the due date.
Just went through my email. I bought an LG 255 off ebay for $25 and gave it to my buddy. He called in and had it added to his line. After that he could add the $15 data plan. He popped his sim out and put it in his G1.
Simple as that.
Don't feel bad about this, as AT&T is going to start enforcing this, now this the time to get on it.
-James

jmacdonald801 said:
Well I've had the $15 data plan forever. I don't even remember what **** phone I used to sign up for it.
But if you want the cheap data plan here's what you do. Did this for a friend.
Find the cheapest 3G phone AT&T sells,. go on ebay, buy it for $25. Call AT&T up and register it on your account with the IMEI number, then get online and add your $15 data. Then put the sim in to your Rogers G1.
Better get on it before the due date.
Just went through my email. I bought an LG 255 off ebay for $25 and gave it to my buddy. He called in and had it added to his line. After that he could add the $15 data plan. He popped his sim out and put it in his G1.
Simple as that.
Don't feel bad about this, as AT&T is going to start enforcing this, now this the time to get on it.
-James
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but then it seems like you cant really use your g1 as a phone anymore b/c the sim does not have a service plan.

shaolinx said:
but then it seems like you cant really use your g1 as a phone anymore b/c the sim does not have a service plan.
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What exactly do you mean by that? Of course you still have a plan. What he is saying is to set everything up(minutes, data, text) while the sim is on the other phone then switch it to the G1 when you are done.
James- As long as you still use a unlocked phone then you will never have to upgrade the data, even if you are a new customer after sept 6th. Like I was saying before it WILL NOT affect unlocked phones, only ATT branded ones.

crpercodani said:
Like I was saying before it WILL NOT affect unlocked phones, only ATT branded ones.
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Well that's a releif, because if you look at $15 less per month over 24 months, you are saving $360 by staying off the $30 plan. More than enough to make up for the AT&T contract price on their phones, so I can stick with an unlocked GSM phone of my choice. I like choice.
So if I buy a new smartphone from AT&T, I won't be grandfathered anymore right?
-James

crpercodani said:
What exactly do you mean by that? Of course you still have a plan. What he is saying is to set everything up(minutes, data, text) while the sim is on the other phone then switch it to the G1 when you are done.
James- As long as you still use a unlocked phone then you will never have to upgrade the data, even if you are a new customer after sept 6th. Like I was saying before it WILL NOT affect unlocked phones, only ATT branded ones.
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boo, that sucks... pretty much your just using a different carrier on your g1... Here i thought it was something special, like having Tmobile service plan(txt,phone,min) with AT&T 3G Data plan.

shaolinx said:
boo, that sucks... pretty much your just using a different carrier on your g1... Here i thought it was something special, like having Tmobile service plan(txt,phone,min) with AT&T 3G Data plan.
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That would be some trick for sure.
-James

jmacdonald801 said:
Well that's a releif, because if you look at $15 less per month over 24 months, you are saving $360 by staying off the $30 plan. More than enough to make up for the AT&T contract price on their phones, so I can stick with an unlocked GSM phone of my choice. I like choice.
So if I buy a new smartphone from AT&T, I won't be grandfathered anymore right?
-James
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Well if you were to buy it and add it to your current line of service I think you would be grandfathered. If you opened a new line or renewed to get a discount on the phone I don't think you would get it. The main thing is though that if it's a smartphone branded with att they wont even let you choose the $15 plan to begin with, only the $30.
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boo, that sucks... pretty much your just using a different carrier on your g1... Here i thought it was something special, like having Tmobile service plan(txt,phone,min) with AT&T 3G Data plan.
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It may suck to you, but what sucks to me is tmoblow's coverage. When I signed up they showed me a coverage map that had my home, work, and all other areas I am usually in getting GOOD-GREAT Edge coverage. I got home and I was lucky to get GPRS, and more then %50 of the time I would get no service, now I am getting service everywhere I go with att and it is stellar. Added to that, I am only paying $15 for data vs $25 from tmoblow. I thought I made it clear from the get go that I was using a different carrier, next time read slowly.

crpercodani said:
It may suck to you, but what sucks to me is tmoblow's coverage.
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Amen to that. I actually want to be able to use my phone without standing in the middle of my street, facing 45% west with no breeze lol. It literally is that bad where I live, and it's in the middle of the city. My room mate had to get a wifi phone from T-Mobile to connect to our router just so he could at least hold a call.
I want to like T-Mobile, but their coverage is not so good in Salt Lake City, not compared to AT&T and everyone else.
-James

Exactly. I was excited try them out, they have really good voice plans and the myfaves is a great idea. But it is all useless when you have "No Service" on your screen all day. When I wanted to use my phone I had to put my head upto the window and I felt like a idiot. I get to work that day and have to go outside and walk in circles until I get a glimmer of hope that my call will go through, until I put the phone to my ear and get that deathly vibration.

I signed up for AT&T with my ADP1 back in December of last year, and, it did work, sorta.
I had the following issues:
HTTPS communications didn't work - not websites directly, nor Twidroid over SSL.
SSH via connectbot didn't work - only over WiFi
VPNs didn't work - again, only over WiFi
IMAP email over SSL didn't work.
POP3 email over SSL didn't work.
Exchange ActiveSync didn't work.
Basically, any form of encrypted connection went out the airlock.
If you can live with that, then the cheaper price is really great. If, however, any of the above is of value, you'd have to weigh that against the extra money. I went to the PDA Net plan to get those 6 things working. I use my phone regularly for SSH, and I tether my phone to my netbook frequently, and use it to access encrypted sites, VPN into work, check my email over IMAP/SSL, etc... The difference in price is worth the features, to me. YMMV...

PhaseBurn said:
I signed up for AT&T with my ADP1 back in December of last year, and, it did work, sorta.
I had the following issues:
HTTPS communications didn't work - not websites directly, nor Twidroid over SSL.
SSH via connectbot didn't work - only over WiFi
VPNs didn't work - again, only over WiFi
IMAP email over SSL didn't work.
POP3 email over SSL didn't work.
Exchange ActiveSync didn't work.
Basically, any form of encrypted connection went out the airlock.
If you can live with that, then the cheaper price is really great. If, however, any of the above is of value, you'd have to weigh that against the extra money. I went to the PDA Net plan to get those 6 things working. I use my phone regularly for SSH, and I tether my phone to my netbook frequently, and use it to access encrypted sites, VPN into work, check my email over IMAP/SSL, etc... The difference in price is worth the features, to me. YMMV...
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That is a valid point. Honestly I don't use any of that so it doesn't affect me, but if I needed those features I would have to switch. I use regular email for everything through gmail so I am all good. Are you saying tethering wouldn't work for you? Because I have tethered my aspire one a few times, granted you don't get the 3G speed but it does work for me. I don't really know what SSL is used for exactly or VPN, so don't take my advice on this plan if you use those things. I just browse the web, maybe do some ebaying, make orders for supplies, and lots of email and texts.

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That is a valid point. Honestly I don't use any of that so it doesn't affect me, but if I needed those features I would have to switch. I use regular email for everything through gmail so I am all good. Are you saying tethering wouldn't work for you? Because I have tethered my aspire one a few times, granted you don't get the 3G speed but it does work for me. I don't really know what SSL is used for exactly or VPN, so don't take my advice on this plan if you use those things. I just browse the web, maybe do some ebaying, make orders for supplies, and lots of email and texts.
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No, I'm saying that when I tethered, my netbook adopted the same limitations I stated above. Other than those, it worked fined.
I use gmail, too, for my primary account, but I also check my work account on my phone via K9 or the Work Email program that does ActiveSync. Additionally, I use Thunderbird on my netbook to access my gmail over imap/ssl. That didn't work from my netbook while tethered using the normal non-PDA plan.
When I signed up for service, the sales agent actually suggested the cheaper plan at first, which is why I went with it. He said most people don't have issues, but if you do, we can change you to the PDA one. I tried it, had issues, and changed.

PhaseBurn said:
I signed up for AT&T with my ADP1 back in December of last year, and, it did work, sorta.
I had the following issues:
HTTPS communications didn't work - not websites directly, nor Twidroid over SSL.
SSH via connectbot didn't work - only over WiFi
VPNs didn't work - again, only over WiFi
IMAP email over SSL didn't work.
POP3 email over SSL didn't work.
Exchange ActiveSync didn't work.
Basically, any form of encrypted connection went out the airlock.
If you can live with that, then the cheaper price is really great. If, however, any of the above is of value, you'd have to weigh that against the extra money. I went to the PDA Net plan to get those 6 things working. I use my phone regularly for SSH, and I tether my phone to my netbook frequently, and use it to access encrypted sites, VPN into work, check my email over IMAP/SSL, etc... The difference in price is worth the features, to me. YMMV...
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I can access Google services, Paypal, and use SSH with my $15 Media Net plan. Not sure why any of this won't work for you.

coolbho3000 said:
I can access Google services, Paypal, and use SSH with my $15 Media Net plan. Not sure why any of this won't work for you.
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Yea I have used paypal a bunch of times with it. I use it almost daily along with some stuff on Google, no SSH though. Honestly I don't even know what it is, heard of it before but never payed much attention to it.

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HTTPS communications didn't work - not websites directly, nor Twidroid over SSL.
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Interesting. This explains a lot. I've been *****ing I couldn't log in to my online banking and now I know why.
Ya I think the $30 is worth it if you need it. Interesting that they choose to cripple certain things, but for $15, I can't complain.
I use RoadSync for work mail and it uses SSL, so this SSL restriction must be port specific.
Oh, and a question. If I go to the $30 data plan, does it use a different APN? like isp.cingular or something?
-James

Fooling T-mobiles data plan

I had a touch pro2 for a while and used the web connect data plan with it. I had full 3G and push email. When I transferred the SIM to my vibrant, I get redirected to a web2go page saying my phone is incompatible with this plan. How does Tmobile verify this?
Google search works, almost everything else doesn't. My touch pro2 is just as much as a smartphone as the vibrant under Tmo's eyes. So I think I wasn't supposed to have been able to use the data plan that I had with it. My TP2 was unlocked if it matters at all.

oldarney said:
I had a touch pro2 for a while and used the web connect data plan with it. I had full 3G and push email. When I transferred the SIM to my vibrant, I get redirected to a web2go page saying my phone is incompatible with this plan. How does Tmobile verify this?
Google search works, almost everything else doesn't. My touch pro2 is just as much as a smartphone as the vibrant under Tmo's eyes. So I think I wasn't supposed to have been able to use the data plan that I had with it. My TP2 was unlocked if it matters at all.
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Tmo has a separate data plan (Which is basically the same as the other) for Android devices. My brother took his sim out of his Touch Pro 2 with 3g data plan and placed it into my G1 (after I got my Vibrant) and it didn't allow him to be able to use data on my G1. He had to call and they had to swap his data plan over to the Android plan.
Now on the flipside of that, my Fiance took her sim out of her myTouch 3g and placed it in his Touch Pro 2 and data worked perfectly. So it looks like the Android data plan trumps all data plans.

Android smartphones are not supported with their old Web Connect plans which are being phased out anyway. You may be able to get T-Mobile to give you a discount on the Android Data Plan given that you're an existing customer, but that's about it...

Awe.
Well thats no fun... I find browsing on the TP2's opera mini and Tethering on it to be just as enjoyable as my vibrant. I wonder how they figure out what you are using.
I was asking because I have a web only plan... I pay 40 dollars for unlimited data, period. I thought I was going to get away with it on android too.
I would have to pay 70 Dollhairs if I want internet on my android! because I would also need a talk plan. thats no fun.
I have been doing research and I've found speculation that T-mobile uses the IMEI number to tell whether your phone is android or not. I don't think this is true given the fact that Tmobiles site depends on user input rather than automatic detection to know what phone the person is using.

@Oldarney: I've got a T-Mo unlimited data plan for Android and I don't pay anywhere near $70 (USD). Not even close. Barely more than what I was paying for Blackberry service.
I should add that I've been with T-Mo forever and have a sweet, "loyal customer" voice rate. Maybe I'm getting a break of some kind on data too.
Edited after re-reading: Your $70 _includes_ the voice. Okay. I gotcha now. Never mind.

Tmobile is building there phones with special hardware so that it can detect when you're using an android phone on there network with the wrong plan. That's why your old plan wouldn't work. Its the same for blackberry phones/data plans
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Op systems
Depending on the op system on the phone the company has to configure their end. So, if you have an android the account needs to be sync'd for that type of op system. If you have an winmo 6.5 then it has to be sync'd with that system by TMO and if you have rim (blackberry) you have be to sync'd with that. I know this from personal experience no biggie

oldarney said:
Well thats no fun... I find browsing on the TP2's opera mini and Tethering on it to be just as enjoyable as my vibrant. I wonder how they figure out what you are using.
I was asking because I have a web only plan... I pay 40 dollars for unlimited data, period. I thought I was going to get away with it on android too.
I would have to pay 70 Dollhairs if I want internet on my android! because I would also need a talk plan. thats no fun.
I have been doing research and I've found speculation that T-mobile uses the IMEI number to tell whether your phone is android or not. I don't think this is true given the fact that Tmobiles site depends on user input rather than automatic detection to know what phone the person is using.
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It does use an auto detect. My fiance bought her Vibrant out of contract and when i checked our account online, both my line and hers showed the Vibrant as our default devices. So yes, it does update it through IMEI.

ELStiko said:
It does use an auto detect. My fiance bought her Vibrant out of contract and when i checked our account online, both my line and hers showed the Vibrant as our default devices. So yes, it does update it through IMEI.
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I bought my phone out of contract as well & it didn't update. I'm thinking the rep at the store you bought it from must have updated it.

tjhart85 said:
I bought my phone out of contract as well & it didn't update. I'm thinking the rep at the store you bought it from must have updated it.
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when did you check cause it can take up to a week to update the imei to the account. but that's how it works (getting the device's imei), insurance also bases coverage on the imei. some stores update the imei manually when you upgrade, but that's a waste of time because it will happen automatically.

creglenn said:
Tmobile is building there phones with special hardware so that it can detect when you're using an android phone on there network with the wrong plan. That's why your old plan wouldn't work. Its the same for blackberry phones/data plans
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No they aren't. They are simply doing IMEI filtering - no help hardware used or needed.

Depending on the op system on the phone the company has to configure their end. So, if you have an android the account needs to be sync'd for that type of op system. If you have an winmo 6.5 then it has to be sync'd with that system by TMO and if you have rim (blackberry) you have be to sync'd with that. I know this from personal experience no biggie
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I think it is something along these lines, perhaps being oversimplified a bit. I believe it may have to do with how the OS on the phone makes the data connection with Android being more like a true "always on" connection (more akin to ethernet) and WinMo using a type of PPP or similar that is in effect "always on." The mobile operator has to have their back-end set up for this and there are probably different settings (IP addresses, connection types, etc.) built into ROMs for Android and WinMo. That being said, I really don't know if they track it by IMEI or not, but I imagine they certainly could.

kmdub said:
I think it is something along these lines, perhaps being oversimplified a bit. I believe it may have to do with how the OS on the phone makes the data connection with Android being more like a true "always on" connection (more akin to ethernet) and WinMo using a type of PPP or similar that is in effect "always on." The mobile operator has to have their back-end set up for this and there are probably different settings (IP addresses, connection types, etc.) built into ROMs for Android and WinMo. That being said, I really don't know if they track it by IMEI or not, but I imagine they certainly could.
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there are different internet packages for each phone os, not entirely sure what the technical differences are, though. and they do track by imei, i know that for sure (i used to work for tmob and my wife still does).

Dude, I work for tmobile! And the data stick is just data and SOC that its on it is just a data SOC but the vibrant requires an android data specific SOC. that's why you can't use that sim with the vibrant!
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stafly17 said:
Dude, I work for tmobile! And the data stick is just data and SOC that its on it is just a data SOC but the vibrant requires an android data specific SOC. that's why you can't use that sim with the vibrant!
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I was using the Rhodium ANdroid hack for windows mobile and The internet worked fine... maybe there is something to that. I gave up on it... I using the web interface to jump me to talk plan and then back to the a data plan, this time android.

they use the imei to check what phone you have. but for some reason, it's still showing me as a G1 so yay! i've had this phone for more than a couple months now i think.
also, i only pay 20 bucks per month for UNLIMITED data. i dont know why you're paying 40..... they offer a 30 dollar plan for regular users.... and i dont know where you got the $70 figure... that's just rediculous. i dont even pay that much for home internet.

At one time I had both a Vibrant and a Nexus One. I lost the Nexus while I had my sim in my Vibrant. I placed a claim with Asurion. They asked me to call T-mobile and find out what the last date the SIM card was in my Nexus One. Tmobile gave me a date that was exactly correct. I don't think I even placed a call that day with the Nexus.
So they know what phone your sim is in. Whether it is reporting IMEI number or Build Number or whatever. If they have a list of IMEI's in their system it is easy for them to know, IMEI filtering, like another poster stated.
IMEI numbers are unique and tied to each phone, not really a huge mystery.

IMEI is like the MAC address that PCs use

except that you can change your mac address while you can't change the IMEI address on the vibrant, and if you know how then let me know.
On another note I am really getting the hang of this swype thing.
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A lot of confusion
This is way easier than explained in here. Basically, data transfer has to follow a protocol. So, if the firmware/software does not contain say an android language based compiler, then the unit is unable to send or receive the check sum...or ... in other word it can not make sense of what it is reading. T Mobile does this for just really one basic reason, It make the data transfer smaller and more efficient, which, in turn, makes all the data on the system smaller and easier to manage. It is a function of saving cost and improving speed. This is kinda a standard ever since 3G
T Mobile runs slightly different protocol for the different op systems:
Win mobile
Android
Blackberry
I know this to be true as I have migrated from Black berry to win mobile to android and each time i had to call and they send a sync signal and then the phone is recognized and everything works correctly. There has never been a cost just associated doing this.
That has been my experience. my 2-cents

Tmobile US htc hd2 unlocked to use $10 unlimited data plan for non smartphones?

I was wondering if i can use unlocked tmobile htc hd2 with the $10 data plan (unlimited) that is available for non smartphones. Will tmobile realize that i am using htc hd2 and upgrade it to smartphone data plan? i am gonna make a contract with a non smartphone and add that 10 dollar data plan to use it on my htc hd2 Do you have to have an Unlocked htc hd2 (not tmobile branded) to do that? is it even possible either way?

Yes it is possible to do such a thing, but for how long is currently unknown. T-Mobile has recently started denying people using the non-smartphone internet with smartphones internet access as it is a violation of the TOS...so good luck!

So i can do it with the tmobile branded unlocked htc hd2? but dont they know that i i am using htc hd2 if i use the 10$ data plan and automatically upgrade it?

Yes they will know you are using an HD2, and yes, it is possible that they will upgrade it automatically. My advice; just opt for the 20USD unlimited smartphone data from the start...you won't have to setup the proxy or live in fear that your plan will be upgraded.

Isnt it 30 USD? if it was 20 then i can probably get the data plan but i am pretty sure the data plan is $30. Wait so if you dont get the $10 data plan on the tmobile branded unlocked htc hd2, will they know its a hd2?

There's no way to get around it. They will know what phone you're using. I do not know if they will make a change to your plan without confirming with you.
I don't know how you will actually enable the $10 plan in the first place though.

Thats a good point aswell. You have to have a device that supports the 10USD plan to even add it to your plan, so you may not be able to anyways. And the full internet is either 20 or 30 depending on your contract arrangement.

I recently got my phone and it's working for me. I get HSDPA speed with the $10 internet.

Yeah it should work.... just so you know you are defrauding the T-Mobile network. There's still a lot folks out there that are apparently still on the T-Zone plan as well....
Actually if you know or are familiar with those Asian run phone shops and ask nicely you don't even need a dumb phone to setup the $10 plan, the reps that work there will just call T-mobile and defraud the whole system for you.....
Yeah... that's just jolly.

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Yeah it should work.... just so you know you are defrauding the T-Mobile network. There's still a lot folks out there that are apparently still on the T-Zone plan as well....
Actually if you know or are familiar with those Asian run phone shops and ask nicely you don't even need a dumb phone to setup the $10 plan, the reps that work there will just call T-mobile and defraud the whole system for you.....
Yeah... that's just jolly.
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Does it really bother you that somebody else has a good deal going with t-zones on the HD2? If it makes you feel better, T-Mobile will probably be forcing users to upgrade their plans starting this Wednesday.

Yeah to me it kinda does, because they know they are screwing the system but continue to do it. Anyways I formally ask that this NOT turn into another debate about the morallity of people using the 10USD plan versus the correct one. Thanks.

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Does it really bother you that somebody else has a good deal going with t-zones on the HD2? If it makes you feel better, T-Mobile will probably be forcing users to upgrade their plans starting this Wednesday.
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Bother me, nope.? I don't even have data plan... i refuse to pay for it when i can get free wifi @ my home/campus/work....
The OP asked a question and i voiced his options, all of them.... whether he chooses to to take the dark route or not is his business. In addition i don't see how you can justify calling T-Zones as "has a good deal going" when you are in fact defrauding the network, which i have clearly pointed out in my previous response. My advice is pretty much borderline crack pot shady... but it's been discussed about here numerous times and t-mobile has done nothing to fix his loophole.... yet...

Just to add about the $20 internet plan. I have it for my HD2 (part of family plan), the rep added it when we were renewing the contract and ordering the phones (my sister got the 3G slide which came with the $25 plan). So if you want it, try calling them and talking to a rep, they should be able to add it for you (YMMV).

T-mobile can block you at any time since they do have a database of their own IMEIs and they know what device is accessing their network by it's IEMI that is transmitted every time the phone accesses the network.
It would be a very simple task for T-mobile to block the non supported devices for that data plan

Well here is what happend when I upgraded one of my lines. I just upgraded to an HD2, a couple days later theytossed on a 104 web plan. Which is fine cuz I want to use the web anyways. when I first was using my HD2 it said that it needed a subcription to access the web, blah blah. So, i changed the wap settings to internet2.voicestream.com and it works great. 3g speeds and everything.

Why did you change to the slower proxy?

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Why did you change to the slower proxy?
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The stock epc.tmo doesnt work when you have the 104 (non smart phone plan). The speeds are the same with the internet2 settings. unless you know of a different one that works a well. It works just fine.

I had a phone recently, Nokia 5530, and had the 10 dollar internet plan and I noticed depending where I was in the country I sometimes would get full internet access and other times I would get off the standard tzone areas and it would show subscription upgrade required message.
I think it might depend on where you live for this to work. Perhaps the WAP settings might also work.

There is a way to get the $10 t-zone plan on your HD2
Here is a simple way to get the t-zone on your HD2..
1) Login to your t-mobile account via the web.. register first if you haven't do so.
2) when you login, T-mobile might choose your phone (maybe HD2 already selected).. at this moment, change your phone to any non-smartphone.. like samsung T509 or any non-smartphone as your default phone.
3) go to change service and add the $10 t-zone internet to your plan
4) set your HD2 with the right APN setting you're OK.
5) For me, if you're using internet2.voicestream.com in Winmo works OK and in Android works OK.
This is a cheated way or gray area... Either way T-mobile make extra $$$ from you. I think T-mobile knows this loop hole, but they keep it open because they don't want to upset us cheapie????
my 2 cents

did they get rid of this? I do not see the option anymore.

Can you run Android Web instead of WebConnect on the T-Mobile tab?

Please forgive me if this has been posted, but it did not show in similar threads.
I have T-Mobile and was wondering if there was a way to run my tab off of the android web feature instead of the web connect plan. im NOT looking for voice feature or anything like that, just to be able to use android web instead of web connect. It would definitely save me some money.

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Please forgive me if this has been posted, but it did not show in similar threads.
I have T-Mobile and was wondering if there was a way to run my tab off of the android web feature instead of the web connect plan. im NOT looking for voice feature or anything like that, just to be able to use android web instead of web connect. It would definitely save me some money.
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People have been trying their hardest to find a way to get this working, as somewhat described in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=845263
Problem is that T-mobile is blocking web access to the tab IMEI's that try to use anything other than the Webconnect data packages. At least, that's the current theory that I've seen. Everyone has reported that they get taken straight to T-mobile's site or some similar page when trying to navigate the web. IMEI makes the most sense, and I believe that its not possible (or just very difficult) to change the IMEI of a device. There's no way to change that value on T-mobile's end since their systems automatically recognize the device based on its IMEI once it has been in use for ~3 days. (I work as a sales rep there, and I've tried to find a way to no avail).

Im wondering, Tmobile has a fairly decent prepaid plan, unlimited talk and text w/2gig data. I wonder if that'll work. Im probably going to try it if no one else has. Im using simple mobile right now, but definitely dropping them after my month is over. Supposedly unlimited data, but apparently capped at 1gig, and very rude customer service!! But I think by doing prepaid with tmobile, it shouldnt matter what device you are using, you dont even have to tell them what its for when you purchase it.

They will know because their network will detect the IMEI number. Unless you buy a tab from a different carrier or an unbranded one, they will know.

jtc442 said:
Im wondering, Tmobile has a fairly decent prepaid plan, unlimited talk and text w/2gig data. I wonder if that'll work. Im probably going to try it if no one else has. Im using simple mobile right now, but definitely dropping them after my month is over. Supposedly unlimited data, but apparently capped at 1gig, and very rude customer service!! But I think by doing prepaid with tmobile, it shouldnt matter what device you are using, you dont even have to tell them what its for when you purchase it.
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I'm assuming it will treat it similarly to the postpaid accounts, seeing how they just came out with the prepaid webconnect plans. My guess is that they still use the IMEI detection, but it could be worth a shot. $70 is a steep price for testing purposes, so I'd say if anything spend the $30 for the 1500T&T/30MB plan and see if the web will even work.

very true!! i will probably give it a shot tomorrow.
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I'm assuming it will treat it similarly to the postpaid accounts, seeing how they just came out with the prepaid webconnect plans. My guess is that they still use the IMEI detection, but it could be worth a shot. $70 is a steep price for testing purposes, so I'd say if anything spend the $30 for the 1500T&T/30MB plan and see if the web will even work.
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