Ok so I got my G1 and a tmobile account, judging by there coverage map I should of had great service at home, work, and everywhere in between. Well after a week of struggling with no service more then half the time I decided to unlock my phone and use my old razr's sim (att). So I knew I would want data, I go onto the att site and low and behold I can use the cheap $15/month data plan!! It works perfectly (edge only but I'm not in a 3g area either way) I have been using it for over a month now with no problems, got my bill and didn't get any overages or anything what-so-ever. The trick is that att doesn't have any G1 IMEI's in there database so they just have it listed as a unknown device and can't force you to use a smartphone data plan.
For anyone who gets ****ty tmobile service, or no 3g and no hopes of ever getting it then this is a great choice. Yea you need someone else to use the tmobile account unless you can get out of it for free (do alot of roaming they will let you out of your contract, or complain about bad service for 2-3 months). Anyway I thought I would share this with the community, hope some of you find it useful.
I think there is a similar method for the G1 where you can use the old "tzones" plan for 5$? but cheap services are REALLY slow...
Yea I read about that on modmyg but tmobile is now checking IMEI's for that to see if anyone with a G1 is using it. I don't know about the speed on there but with att I get full speed on edge just like I do on there smartphone data plan. A lot better then the GPRS I got with tmobile, if I got any service from them at all.
There was an article on boygenius and other places that as of September 9th, AT&T would start requiring the $30 data plan for all smartphones. Those on the $15 data plan (such as I) would be grandfathered in. IMEI database be damned
And the $15 data plan is not slower. I regularly clock 1 - 1.5Mbps. There are other issues however. You don't get a real internet IP which might cause issues with some apps such as VPN. VPN doesn't work well, or at all.
Generally speaking though, I've had no issues using my Rooted G1 on AT&T's cheaper $15 data plan.
Personally I think $30 data plan with a real IP address on 3G is well worth the money, it's the damn voice minutes that are way overpriced.
-James
jmacdonald801 said:
There was an article on boygenius and other places that as of September 9th, AT&T would start requiring the $30 data plan for all smartphones. Those on the $15 data plan (such as I) would be grandfathered in. IMEI database be damned
And the $15 data plan is not slower. I regularly clock 1 - 1.5Mbps. There are other issues however. You don't get a real internet IP which might cause issues with some apps such as VPN. VPN doesn't work well, or at all.
Generally speaking though, I've had no issues using my Rooted G1 on AT&T's cheaper $15 data plan.
Personally I think $30 data plan with a real IP address on 3G is well worth the money, it's the damn voice minutes that are way overpriced.
-James
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Yea I read that too.The thing is ATT doesn't have the G1 in there database because it's not a device they (officialy) support. They have no way of knowing it is a smartphone, which is why you are able to choose the $15 plan, when I had my fuze on there it wouldn't even show it as a choice. If they knew it was a smartphone you wouldn't even be able to choose it. I am in a area where 3G isn't, and probably never will be so I don't care about having it you know. If it was available then I would of gotten the Roger's dream so to be compatible with the ATT 3G bands.
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Data plans (on everything but the iPhone) are incredibly profitable for carriers like AT&T. Most smartphone users pay for way more bandwidth than they will ever actually use. That's why ATT has made the choice to start requiring data plans with all of their smartphone purchases. If you already have a smartphone with AT&T but no data plan, your phone will be grandfathered in and you will not have to buy a plan.
According to a leaked internal email found by Boy Genius this change will come to the AT&T network on September 6th. If you currently use a non-smart phone with a data plan, you will have to upgrade to a non-MediaNet plan when you buy a smartphone. Unlocked handsets will not be affected by this change.
AT&T claims that this change has been made in order to give customers the “best possible experience” by ensuring they have a “predictable bill”. That's a funny way to say, “we want more money, and you have to pay.”
To be honest, this change probably won't affect very many people. ATT notes that the vast majority of customers with smartphones use data plans. When people buy an Internet phone they tend to want to have access to the Internet. This is a pretty transparent ploy to buff profit margins, but it's also not a big enough change that it is going to get a lot of customers up in arms.
Well I've had the $15 data plan forever. I don't even remember what **** phone I used to sign up for it.
But if you want the cheap data plan here's what you do. Did this for a friend.
Find the cheapest 3G phone AT&T sells,. go on ebay, buy it for $25. Call AT&T up and register it on your account with the IMEI number, then get online and add your $15 data. Then put the sim in to your Rogers G1.
Better get on it before the due date.
Just went through my email. I bought an LG 255 off ebay for $25 and gave it to my buddy. He called in and had it added to his line. After that he could add the $15 data plan. He popped his sim out and put it in his G1.
Simple as that.
Don't feel bad about this, as AT&T is going to start enforcing this, now this the time to get on it.
-James
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Well I've had the $15 data plan forever. I don't even remember what **** phone I used to sign up for it.
But if you want the cheap data plan here's what you do. Did this for a friend.
Find the cheapest 3G phone AT&T sells,. go on ebay, buy it for $25. Call AT&T up and register it on your account with the IMEI number, then get online and add your $15 data. Then put the sim in to your Rogers G1.
Better get on it before the due date.
Just went through my email. I bought an LG 255 off ebay for $25 and gave it to my buddy. He called in and had it added to his line. After that he could add the $15 data plan. He popped his sim out and put it in his G1.
Simple as that.
Don't feel bad about this, as AT&T is going to start enforcing this, now this the time to get on it.
-James
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but then it seems like you cant really use your g1 as a phone anymore b/c the sim does not have a service plan.
shaolinx said:
but then it seems like you cant really use your g1 as a phone anymore b/c the sim does not have a service plan.
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What exactly do you mean by that? Of course you still have a plan. What he is saying is to set everything up(minutes, data, text) while the sim is on the other phone then switch it to the G1 when you are done.
James- As long as you still use a unlocked phone then you will never have to upgrade the data, even if you are a new customer after sept 6th. Like I was saying before it WILL NOT affect unlocked phones, only ATT branded ones.
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Like I was saying before it WILL NOT affect unlocked phones, only ATT branded ones.
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Well that's a releif, because if you look at $15 less per month over 24 months, you are saving $360 by staying off the $30 plan. More than enough to make up for the AT&T contract price on their phones, so I can stick with an unlocked GSM phone of my choice. I like choice.
So if I buy a new smartphone from AT&T, I won't be grandfathered anymore right?
-James
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What exactly do you mean by that? Of course you still have a plan. What he is saying is to set everything up(minutes, data, text) while the sim is on the other phone then switch it to the G1 when you are done.
James- As long as you still use a unlocked phone then you will never have to upgrade the data, even if you are a new customer after sept 6th. Like I was saying before it WILL NOT affect unlocked phones, only ATT branded ones.
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boo, that sucks... pretty much your just using a different carrier on your g1... Here i thought it was something special, like having Tmobile service plan(txt,phone,min) with AT&T 3G Data plan.
shaolinx said:
boo, that sucks... pretty much your just using a different carrier on your g1... Here i thought it was something special, like having Tmobile service plan(txt,phone,min) with AT&T 3G Data plan.
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That would be some trick for sure.
-James
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Well that's a releif, because if you look at $15 less per month over 24 months, you are saving $360 by staying off the $30 plan. More than enough to make up for the AT&T contract price on their phones, so I can stick with an unlocked GSM phone of my choice. I like choice.
So if I buy a new smartphone from AT&T, I won't be grandfathered anymore right?
-James
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Well if you were to buy it and add it to your current line of service I think you would be grandfathered. If you opened a new line or renewed to get a discount on the phone I don't think you would get it. The main thing is though that if it's a smartphone branded with att they wont even let you choose the $15 plan to begin with, only the $30.
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boo, that sucks... pretty much your just using a different carrier on your g1... Here i thought it was something special, like having Tmobile service plan(txt,phone,min) with AT&T 3G Data plan.
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It may suck to you, but what sucks to me is tmoblow's coverage. When I signed up they showed me a coverage map that had my home, work, and all other areas I am usually in getting GOOD-GREAT Edge coverage. I got home and I was lucky to get GPRS, and more then %50 of the time I would get no service, now I am getting service everywhere I go with att and it is stellar. Added to that, I am only paying $15 for data vs $25 from tmoblow. I thought I made it clear from the get go that I was using a different carrier, next time read slowly.
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It may suck to you, but what sucks to me is tmoblow's coverage.
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Amen to that. I actually want to be able to use my phone without standing in the middle of my street, facing 45% west with no breeze lol. It literally is that bad where I live, and it's in the middle of the city. My room mate had to get a wifi phone from T-Mobile to connect to our router just so he could at least hold a call.
I want to like T-Mobile, but their coverage is not so good in Salt Lake City, not compared to AT&T and everyone else.
-James
Exactly. I was excited try them out, they have really good voice plans and the myfaves is a great idea. But it is all useless when you have "No Service" on your screen all day. When I wanted to use my phone I had to put my head upto the window and I felt like a idiot. I get to work that day and have to go outside and walk in circles until I get a glimmer of hope that my call will go through, until I put the phone to my ear and get that deathly vibration.
I signed up for AT&T with my ADP1 back in December of last year, and, it did work, sorta.
I had the following issues:
HTTPS communications didn't work - not websites directly, nor Twidroid over SSL.
SSH via connectbot didn't work - only over WiFi
VPNs didn't work - again, only over WiFi
IMAP email over SSL didn't work.
POP3 email over SSL didn't work.
Exchange ActiveSync didn't work.
Basically, any form of encrypted connection went out the airlock.
If you can live with that, then the cheaper price is really great. If, however, any of the above is of value, you'd have to weigh that against the extra money. I went to the PDA Net plan to get those 6 things working. I use my phone regularly for SSH, and I tether my phone to my netbook frequently, and use it to access encrypted sites, VPN into work, check my email over IMAP/SSL, etc... The difference in price is worth the features, to me. YMMV...
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I signed up for AT&T with my ADP1 back in December of last year, and, it did work, sorta.
I had the following issues:
HTTPS communications didn't work - not websites directly, nor Twidroid over SSL.
SSH via connectbot didn't work - only over WiFi
VPNs didn't work - again, only over WiFi
IMAP email over SSL didn't work.
POP3 email over SSL didn't work.
Exchange ActiveSync didn't work.
Basically, any form of encrypted connection went out the airlock.
If you can live with that, then the cheaper price is really great. If, however, any of the above is of value, you'd have to weigh that against the extra money. I went to the PDA Net plan to get those 6 things working. I use my phone regularly for SSH, and I tether my phone to my netbook frequently, and use it to access encrypted sites, VPN into work, check my email over IMAP/SSL, etc... The difference in price is worth the features, to me. YMMV...
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That is a valid point. Honestly I don't use any of that so it doesn't affect me, but if I needed those features I would have to switch. I use regular email for everything through gmail so I am all good. Are you saying tethering wouldn't work for you? Because I have tethered my aspire one a few times, granted you don't get the 3G speed but it does work for me. I don't really know what SSL is used for exactly or VPN, so don't take my advice on this plan if you use those things. I just browse the web, maybe do some ebaying, make orders for supplies, and lots of email and texts.
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That is a valid point. Honestly I don't use any of that so it doesn't affect me, but if I needed those features I would have to switch. I use regular email for everything through gmail so I am all good. Are you saying tethering wouldn't work for you? Because I have tethered my aspire one a few times, granted you don't get the 3G speed but it does work for me. I don't really know what SSL is used for exactly or VPN, so don't take my advice on this plan if you use those things. I just browse the web, maybe do some ebaying, make orders for supplies, and lots of email and texts.
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No, I'm saying that when I tethered, my netbook adopted the same limitations I stated above. Other than those, it worked fined.
I use gmail, too, for my primary account, but I also check my work account on my phone via K9 or the Work Email program that does ActiveSync. Additionally, I use Thunderbird on my netbook to access my gmail over imap/ssl. That didn't work from my netbook while tethered using the normal non-PDA plan.
When I signed up for service, the sales agent actually suggested the cheaper plan at first, which is why I went with it. He said most people don't have issues, but if you do, we can change you to the PDA one. I tried it, had issues, and changed.
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I signed up for AT&T with my ADP1 back in December of last year, and, it did work, sorta.
I had the following issues:
HTTPS communications didn't work - not websites directly, nor Twidroid over SSL.
SSH via connectbot didn't work - only over WiFi
VPNs didn't work - again, only over WiFi
IMAP email over SSL didn't work.
POP3 email over SSL didn't work.
Exchange ActiveSync didn't work.
Basically, any form of encrypted connection went out the airlock.
If you can live with that, then the cheaper price is really great. If, however, any of the above is of value, you'd have to weigh that against the extra money. I went to the PDA Net plan to get those 6 things working. I use my phone regularly for SSH, and I tether my phone to my netbook frequently, and use it to access encrypted sites, VPN into work, check my email over IMAP/SSL, etc... The difference in price is worth the features, to me. YMMV...
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I can access Google services, Paypal, and use SSH with my $15 Media Net plan. Not sure why any of this won't work for you.
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I can access Google services, Paypal, and use SSH with my $15 Media Net plan. Not sure why any of this won't work for you.
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Yea I have used paypal a bunch of times with it. I use it almost daily along with some stuff on Google, no SSH though. Honestly I don't even know what it is, heard of it before but never payed much attention to it.
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HTTPS communications didn't work - not websites directly, nor Twidroid over SSL.
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Interesting. This explains a lot. I've been *****ing I couldn't log in to my online banking and now I know why.
Ya I think the $30 is worth it if you need it. Interesting that they choose to cripple certain things, but for $15, I can't complain.
I use RoadSync for work mail and it uses SSL, so this SSL restriction must be port specific.
Oh, and a question. If I go to the $30 data plan, does it use a different APN? like isp.cingular or something?
-James
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Did anyone elses internet stop working today? I have had mine working for a few months fow, and this morning, boom, no internet. It said I needed to upgrade my plan.
did it occur to you to contact T-Mobile about this? Surely they can fix this for you.
not if there is a way around this. I don’t want a price increase for the same service, the price increase is dumb, and why do I need to pay more for the same service that I would get with my WinMo phone. I don’t even have 3g in my area.
I have no clue what you are saying . Customer support is free as far as I know? I don't have T-Mobile (I'm not from the US), but even if it were a paying number for support, you can always walk into a t-mobile store and ask there to check your subscription.
No with the G1 t mobile made a new service plan just for that phone, It give you nothing extra but text messages, and with the use of email, text is useless. But by using APN wap.voicestream.com you at least were able to by pass the new service plan. Up until last night.
*sigh* why do people always have to reply to threads that they don't have any clue about?
To answer your question, yes my wap.voicestream.com just quit working this morning as well! I have tried everything to get it up and running again, but to no avail. I am located in central florida if that matters.
It looks like T-Mobile might be wising up to us using the $9.99 plan... which I refuse to pay anymore since I only get gprs data here!!!
Yeah I even pay the $20 data plan. If I got 3g I could understand paying more. Well not understand, but I would except it. But to pay more for not getting more if crap.
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*sigh* why do people always have to reply to threads that they don't have any clue about?
To answer your question, yes my wap.voicestream.com just quit working this morning as well! I have tried everything to get it up and running again, but to no avail. I am located in central florida if that matters.
It looks like T-Mobile might be wising up to us using the $9.99 plan... which I refuse to pay anymore since I only get gprs data here!!!
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Why do people complain about services they don't pay for anyway, heh.
Sigh and moan all you want. If you want service, you'll have to pay for it . If it's still not fine, contact T-Mobile support. Nobody here is going to swing a magic wand around and give you free internet.
Your only partly paying for messaging, edge/3g/gprs, mostly what your paying for is server usage to sync with google servers. Don't like this feature? Don't buy the phone.
I love these arguments... do you really think that $24.99 is a fair price for gprs which is less than 50kbps whereas 3g is pushing up to 1mbps? I would gladly pay $24.99 for 3g or possibly even edge, but definitely not for gprs! Not to mention the issue that when I purchased this phone they told me that I am in an edge capable area which is a lie. The T-Mobile kiosk in the mall has an edge signal that extends about 2-3 miles in each direction around it, but that's the only edge around which makes it even more dishonest.
Yeah they lied to me, I was told my internet was grandfathered in at 19.99 and would never go up. So I am fighting this with t-mobile support now. I am not trying to get a freebie I just want the service that I am paying for, and for a little corporate responsibility. Plus I am not under contract so they can lose out on $5 a month or $130 a month. And I have already requested a unlock code.
Mine crapped out this morning. I got an email at 6:55am EST, and I went to check Wunderground at about 7:05, and it was dead. Changed all my APNs to see if that was the problem, and it was a no-go.
Interesting thing is... Yesterday, I was playing with my boss' developer phone that he just got, and I was able to browse the web for a good half hour using the epc.tmobile.com APN. (Using my SIM card, which has Blackberry data on it)
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I was told my internet was grandfathered in at 19.99 and would never go up.
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They didn't lie, T-Mobile has for about a yr now, announced that their T-zones plan will be abolished. When a plan gets scratched off a table, there goes your grandfathering in clause.
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I just want the service that I am paying for
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You did till the plan existed.
TimSykes said:
I am not under contract so they can lose out on $5 a month or $130 a month. And I have already requested a unlock code.
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I dont think your thinking is the same as theirs.
skaflyer said:
I love these arguments...
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As do I.
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do you really think that $24.99 is a fair price for gprs which is less than 50kbps whereas 3g is pushing up to 1mbps?
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Whether I think it is a fair price for gprs is immaterial. If the T-Mobile network were predominately GPRS only there would be few people using T-Mobile's data services. As it stands there is almost nowhere in T-Mobile coverage area that is GPRS only. Generally the only time you would fall to GPRS is if you are on the edges of service and the signal is not strong enough for Edge. Edge is a software upgrade from GPRS so it is unlikely there are towers that are still GPRS only.
But all of this is immaterial. You were aware when you got the G1 that T-Mobile U.S. required a $24.99 data plan. You were not coerced into geting a G1. You chose to get a G1 with this knowledge and for a time bypassed the requirement by "tricking" T-Mobile. You were aware then and now that T-Mobile had a requirement for the $24.99 data plan and would do all within their power to get you on it. So you made your choice with foreknowledge of the cost. T-Mobile did not sneak this in the contract on you.
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I would gladly pay $24.99 for 3g or possibly even edge, but definitely not for gprs! Not to mention the issue that when I purchased this phone they told me that I am in an edge capable area which is a lie. The T-Mobile kiosk in the mall has an edge signal that extends about 2-3 miles in each direction around it, but that's the only edge around which makes it even more dishonest.
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I find it extremely unlikely if you are in a populated area that the predominate signal is GPRS. Towers in a region are not mixed, if the mall tower has edge the tower you are using very likely has edge, just your signal is not strong enough. Talk to T-Mobile support and see if it may be a problem with your tower otherwise. I am visiting my family on a farm where there was no cell phone service till two years ago and I have EDGE here. For that matter I have been on-site to oil fields where the trucks were equipped with cell repeaters to have any signal at all and even there I had EDGE. So by Occam's razor it is more likely your specific location than something representative of T-Mobile service.
There is no discount for crappy cell coverage, the answer is to go with a carrier that covers where you are likely to be.
Mikey1022 said:
They didn't lie, T-Mobile has for about a yr now, announced that their T-zones plan will be abolished. When a plan gets scratched off a table, there goes your grandfathering in clause.
You did till the plan existed.
I dont think your thinking is the same as theirs.
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I don't think you read all of my post. I pay $20 for unlimited internet, not t-zones. The plan is still up for winmo phones. In fact I was told on the phone the only difference between the 2 plans is a different APN name.
I was always under the impression that plan was called T-Zones.
From your apn wap.voicestream.com was called T-Zones, if you hacked it
Besides did i miss somewhere, where you called T-Mobile and asked why your plan no longer works for the G1?
the t-zone play is 9.99, the unlimited internet is 19.99 they just use the same access server for connection. And the first post on this page said I want talking with tmo support.
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the t-zone play is 9.99, the unlimited internet is 19.99 they just use the same access server for connection. And the first post on this page said I want talking with tmo support.
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I was grandfathered as well and ended up dropping my grandfathered plan because I considered it not worth the fight. You I can see the argument for, t-zones users not so much.
EDIT: The wap.voicestream.com APNs were available to us but there was another set as well. Do not remember them off the top of my head. When I get home I will check and see if my Artemis stil has them configured.
Excuse me for my posts.
I think this pain killers im on are goofing me up.
I'm off to go for a walk, Stretchout my back.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
So I have had my G1 for almost 3 months and data has always worked. I picked mine up off of craigslist so I didn't have to go through with the G1 Data plan mess with customer care. When I got the phone, I changed the APN to internet2.voicestream.com and away I went. I previously had a Shadow with the Shadow 100 plan and I never changed data plans because it just worked. A few days ago I flashed to JACHero and I first noticed the problem. When I try to browse to ANY site it comes back:
m.web2go.com: Subscription Upgrade Required
Your current plan is not compatible with this device.
After a few attempts at double checking the APN settings and browsing to different sites it just started working. Yesterday I switched back to Hero 5.0.2Hr5-A2SD I have the same issue but it will not go away.
I know I was getting away with using a cheaper data plan but did I get "caught" and now need to up my rate plan( )?
Did you ever find a solution to this?
I've been trying to see about a 'cheaper' data plan offered where I could just switch my APN and still work. I don't do a massive amount of data traffic, I just like to check my gmail, and maps gets the most of the bandwidth. Plus I had attempted twice to downgrade (online) from unlimited to the 400 sms + unlimited data, and it wouldn't allow me online, 2 days later the plan was removed
I paid full price for my phone, I don't feel I should have to pay a rate designed to subsidize the cost of discounted phones. This really is my biggest beef with the $35/mo data.
/wishes we had UK pricing
bofslime said:
I paid full price for my phone, I don't feel I should have to pay a rate designed to subsidize the cost of discounted phones. This really is my biggest beef with the $35/mo data.
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If you sign your contract through a reseller, some can give you a cash rebate if you supply your own handset. This kind of situation is particularly common for subscribers whos contracts have run their length and have become a month-to-month service. It's likely that you are currently on a similar month-to-month basis.
T-mobile has been shutting down the loop hole for the 100MB plan. I can no longer find a solution to this.
I just do not like the idea of paying 24.99 for what you can get at 9.99 with limited MB access.
I do not think there is anything else we can do.
BTW i think tmobile is blocking all people using the google phones from using the cheap data plan.
im also having the same problem with the " Subcription Upgrade required" message.
it really sucks because i have the $5.99 plan and it would have been nice to get 3G with that... i would have been happy even with Edge.
tried all 3 apn settings and nothing... if im gonna pay for 3g , might as well go with ATT as it has better coverage.
any sugestions ?
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BTW i think tmobile is blocking all people using the google phones from using the cheap data plan.
im also having the same problem with the " Subcription Upgrade required" message.
it really sucks because i have the $5.99 plan and it would have been nice to get 3G with that... i would have been happy even with Edge.
tried all 3 apn settings and nothing... if im gonna pay for 3g , might as well go with ATT as it has better coverage.
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I honestly cheat a bit. I have the EDGE APN details entered, and set the APN Type to default.
Then, go download an alternative browser. I have only had luck with Dolphin Browser.
It works for me on Fido in Canada (Same as Rogers, AT&T, etc). Give it a shot
I was happily using my Nexus One on AT&T without a data plan (and with data blocked) since it was released, but I made the mistake of giving AT&T the IMEI number of my Nexus today. Now they tell me that I am required to get a $30 data plan because it is a "PDA", despite the fact that it cannot use 3G on AT&T's network.
Does anyone know of a way to ditch the data plan? Is it possible that I could give AT&T the IMEI of an old phone, then switch my SIM to the Nexus?
as a user who uses the nexus one on att, heating something like this is
infuriating.how is it their business to make you buy a data plan? I can understand if they subsidized the phone but obviously in this case it was not. thanks for the heads up. i would never disclose this kind of information to att unless I absolutely had to do so.
use this as a way to break your contract and come to tmobile and enjoy the way a real provider is sposed to treat you... pretty much if you have ATT and dont have an iphone, they dont care about you
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I was happily using my Nexus One on AT&T without a data plan (and with data blocked) since it was released, but I made the mistake of giving AT&T the IMEI number of my Nexus today. Now they tell me that I am required to get a $30 data plan because it is a "PDA", despite the fact that it cannot use 3G on AT&T's network.
Does anyone know of a way to ditch the data plan? Is it possible that I could give AT&T the IMEI of an old phone, then switch my SIM to the Nexus?
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I am kinda surprised they are doing this... Then again, times are "tough"...
I would ask them where in the contract you signed it says you have to have a data plan? Let them know that if they start charging you for a service you didn't sign up for or agree to, they will be hearing from an attorney.
When AT&T began mandating the smartphone dataplans (September?) people that already had a smartphone on their account without a smartphone data plan were given a feature called "smartphone exclusion". If you had this and they took it off when you gave them the nexus one imei, you may be able to call customer service and get them to put it back on. That's the only way I can think of. They're implementing a system which automatically adds a smartphone data plan onto your account when you put your sim card into a smartphone and it reports a recognized smartphone imei to AT&T unless you have the smartphone exclusion feature.
http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1618214
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When AT&T began mandating the smartphone dataplans (September?) people that already had a smartphone on their account without a smartphone data plan were given a feature called "smartphone exclusion". If you had this and they took it off when you gave them the nexus one imei, you may be able to call customer service and get them to put it back on. That's the only way I can think of. They're implementing a system which automatically adds a smartphone data plan onto your account when you put your sim card into a smartphone and it reports a recognized smartphone imei to AT&T unless you have the smartphone exclusion feature.
http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1618214
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Very interesting. This make sense, since AT&T should be able to find out what kind of phone you're using even if you don't give them your IMEI. I suppose I might have had a "smartphone exclusion" put on my account back when I was using a myTouch 3G on AT&T without a data plan.
However, I doubt AT&T is going to work with me on this, given the extremely unsatisfactory customer service I received today after speaking to 3 representatives.
What happens when your using just a normal phone with att, and your buddy has a nexus one. and so you go over to his house and put your sim on it just to see how it works, cause your interested in it and all. so you borrow it for a day to test it out. and att starts charging you for data? Sounds bull**** to me that they can do that if your not using 3g data service... period
I've had these issues with ATT as well. In September they "discovered" my Touch HD on their network and zapped it from working. I was on the "pay as you go" plan. I switched the SIM to my old HTC Trinity and my service was useable again. Since the Trinity was one of the first full featured phones, they must not have had it in their "kill" database.
I dumped ATT like a hot rock, then went to T-mobile and I've never looked back. ATT has nothing over T-mobile.
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I've had these issues with ATT as well. In September they "discovered" my Touch HD on their network and zapped it from working. I was on the "pay as you go" plan. I switched the SIM to my old HTC Trinity and my service was useable again. Since the Trinity was one of the first full featured phones, they must not have had it in their "kill" database.
I dumped ATT like a hot rock, then went to T-mobile and I've never looked back. ATT has nothing over T-mobile.
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Trust me, I'd love to do the same. But A&T is much cheaper for me (it would be $120 for a 2 line family plan with data vs. $155 on T-Mobile) even when I don't include my AT&T premier discount. I was pretty sad to learn that T-Mobile's pricing isn't very competitive, at least when it comes to Nexus One plans.
i've had the N1 on ATT for about a month now and i don't have data plan and never signed up for one; i am near wifi 80-90% of the time and don't need the data plan; never got any texts from them forcing me to get data;
btw, i am on a family plan
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i've had the N1 on ATT for about a month now and i don't have data plan and never signed up for one; i am near wifi 80-90% of the time and don't need the data plan; never got any texts from them forcing me to get data;
btw, i am on a family plan
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Supposedly they are turning on their new system for automatically adding data plans market by market. Some people's areas don't have it yet, but I know for a fact they're doing it in Austin, TX because I got hit by it. I had 2 lines with smartphones and put my SIM card into a dumbphone for a few minutes then back into my smartphone. That triggered it, but I have the "smartphone exclusion" on my main line (which happens to be the phone I did the SIM switch in) so only the other line got a $30 data plan added. I ported that line out within a couple of days.
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Supposedly they are turning on their new system for automatically adding data plans market by market. Some people's areas don't have it yet, but I know for a fact they're doing it in Austin, TX because I got hit by it. I had 2 lines with smartphones and put my SIM card into a dumbphone for a few minutes then back into my smartphone. That triggered it, but I have the "smartphone exclusion" on my main line (which happens to be the phone I did the SIM switch in) so only the other line got a $30 data plan added. I ported that line out within a couple of days.
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how do you add smartphone exclusion to your phone
It's really simple to ditch the data plans on ATT...
I have a total of 6 phones with ATT. 4 ATT PDAs, 1 ATT non-PDA and mine - which is usually UNLOCKED/UNBRANDED WinMo phone.
I wait a few months after buying any ATT branded phone and call them to let them know I've switched phones. They ask for the IMEI. I run my trusted IMEI Generator (Google it) and start spewing phoney IMEIs to them. When they don't show in their systems as an ATT phone, I can then change all their $30 unlim PDA unlim data plans to the $10 unlim data plan version.
Of course, every rep I every spoke to swears there's a difference between the $30 vs the $10 plan...but WE know better. They work exactly the same!
Come on ATT!!!
My way of stickin it to the MAN!!!
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They ask for the IMEI. I run my trusted IMEI Generator (Google it) and start spewing phoney IMEIs to them. When they don't show in their systems as an ATT phone, I can then change all their $30 unlim PDA unlim data plans to the $10 unlim data plan version.
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But won't AT&T recognize your phone as a PDA if you ever actually use it? For instance, you couldn't do the same thing with an iPhone -- if you give them a bogus IMEI then put your SIM in an iPhone, AT&T will find out and they will force you into a data plan.
In some areas of the country they've implemented the system for automatically detecting when you're using a smartphone and adding the data plan. It seems that not all areas are doing it yet, but I have no doubt they eventually will. My area already does it.
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It was added automatically to people's accounts back when they first started requiring data plans. If you had a smartphone but no smartphone data they simply put that exclusion feature on your account. I've heard of people that had it removed from their account calling in and arguing until they put it back on, but if you never had it on your account, you're probably out of luck. It's worth a try, though. Maybe if you get a nice rep and use the term "smartphone exclusion feature" they'll give it to you.
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In some areas of the country they've implemented the system for automatically detecting when you're using a smartphone and adding the data plan. It seems that not all areas are doing it yet, but I have no doubt they eventually will. My area already does it.
It was added automatically to people's accounts back when they first started requiring data plans. If you had a smartphone but no smartphone data they simply put that exclusion feature on your account. I've heard of people that had it removed from their account calling in and arguing until they put it back on, but if you never had it on your account, you're probably out of luck. It's worth a try, though. Maybe if you get a nice rep and use the term "smartphone exclusion feature" they'll give it to you.
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i had the blackberry curve 8310 with ATT without data plan as i paid the 2 year upgrade price (no rebates, that required the $30 data plan) so would that mean that i have the exclusion feature?
How come you have to *tell* them your IMEI for them to figure this out? Surely they can see exactly what the IMEI of your phone is the minute it connects to their network?
In other news, I hear that Comcast are going to charge more for your internet connection if you have an XBOX connected to it. Their rationale is that with Netflix support and XBOX Live capability, you're capable of using more of their bandwidth.
OK, I'm (obviously) kidding on that last point. But that's effectively what AT&T are doing here.
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Trust me, I'd love to do the same. But A&T is much cheaper for me (it would be $120 for a 2 line family plan with data vs. $155 on T-Mobile) even when I don't include my AT&T premier discount. I was pretty sad to learn that T-Mobile's pricing isn't very competitive, at least when it comes to Nexus One plans.
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How is that possible? I'm on Even More Plus with my N1, my Dad's G1, and my Bro's G1 and we're paying $145 a month for 1500 mins + unlimited web (no need for text plan since we all use Google Voice), and we aren't bound to 2-year terms. @[email protected]
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i had the blackberry curve 8310 with ATT without data plan as i paid the 2 year upgrade price (no rebates, that required the $30 data plan) so would that mean that i have the exclusion feature?
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There's probably a good chance you do have it. Supposedly you can find it listed somewhere on OLAM, but I don't know where people are looking.
Postal76 said:
Trust me, I'd love to do the same. But A&T is much cheaper for me (it would be $120 for a 2 line family plan with data vs. $155 on T-Mobile) even when I don't include my AT&T premier discount. I was pretty sad to learn that T-Mobile's pricing isn't very competitive, at least when it comes to Nexus One plans.
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You can get a discount easily with T-Mobile there are tons of discounts. My 20% discount with T-Mobile right now is because I'm in college. My previous one was for working at Wal-Mart 5 years ago [lol they never took it off].
I work for AT&T and I have T-Mobile and I don't plan on switching. Even though AT&T would give me my 20% discount it would still cost more. You can get on T-Mobile without a contract. T-Mobile is the cheapest cell company and they're advertising that a lot right now. The prices for non contract services are great. I can't wait till mine expires because I'll be saving even more money. The Non-contract services aren't "pay as you go" either, they're just monthly usage plans as normal but you're not under contract. The only reason why prices are so high is because you're paying for the phone in your monthly bill.
I love working for AT&T [best company I've ever worked for] but I don't agree with a lot of our ways of doing things. Like how we're the only ones raising prices right now in this economy. There are multiple things I disagree with but it's all business
Oh and the "if you don't have an iPhone they don't care" statement is kind of ridiculous. Sounds a little biased and senseless.
I was wondering if i can use unlocked tmobile htc hd2 with the $10 data plan (unlimited) that is available for non smartphones. Will tmobile realize that i am using htc hd2 and upgrade it to smartphone data plan? i am gonna make a contract with a non smartphone and add that 10 dollar data plan to use it on my htc hd2 Do you have to have an Unlocked htc hd2 (not tmobile branded) to do that? is it even possible either way?
Yes it is possible to do such a thing, but for how long is currently unknown. T-Mobile has recently started denying people using the non-smartphone internet with smartphones internet access as it is a violation of the TOS...so good luck!
So i can do it with the tmobile branded unlocked htc hd2? but dont they know that i i am using htc hd2 if i use the 10$ data plan and automatically upgrade it?
Yes they will know you are using an HD2, and yes, it is possible that they will upgrade it automatically. My advice; just opt for the 20USD unlimited smartphone data from the start...you won't have to setup the proxy or live in fear that your plan will be upgraded.
Isnt it 30 USD? if it was 20 then i can probably get the data plan but i am pretty sure the data plan is $30. Wait so if you dont get the $10 data plan on the tmobile branded unlocked htc hd2, will they know its a hd2?
There's no way to get around it. They will know what phone you're using. I do not know if they will make a change to your plan without confirming with you.
I don't know how you will actually enable the $10 plan in the first place though.
Thats a good point aswell. You have to have a device that supports the 10USD plan to even add it to your plan, so you may not be able to anyways. And the full internet is either 20 or 30 depending on your contract arrangement.
I recently got my phone and it's working for me. I get HSDPA speed with the $10 internet.
Yeah it should work.... just so you know you are defrauding the T-Mobile network. There's still a lot folks out there that are apparently still on the T-Zone plan as well....
Actually if you know or are familiar with those Asian run phone shops and ask nicely you don't even need a dumb phone to setup the $10 plan, the reps that work there will just call T-mobile and defraud the whole system for you.....
Yeah... that's just jolly.
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Yeah it should work.... just so you know you are defrauding the T-Mobile network. There's still a lot folks out there that are apparently still on the T-Zone plan as well....
Actually if you know or are familiar with those Asian run phone shops and ask nicely you don't even need a dumb phone to setup the $10 plan, the reps that work there will just call T-mobile and defraud the whole system for you.....
Yeah... that's just jolly.
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Does it really bother you that somebody else has a good deal going with t-zones on the HD2? If it makes you feel better, T-Mobile will probably be forcing users to upgrade their plans starting this Wednesday.
Yeah to me it kinda does, because they know they are screwing the system but continue to do it. Anyways I formally ask that this NOT turn into another debate about the morallity of people using the 10USD plan versus the correct one. Thanks.
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Does it really bother you that somebody else has a good deal going with t-zones on the HD2? If it makes you feel better, T-Mobile will probably be forcing users to upgrade their plans starting this Wednesday.
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Bother me, nope.? I don't even have data plan... i refuse to pay for it when i can get free wifi @ my home/campus/work....
The OP asked a question and i voiced his options, all of them.... whether he chooses to to take the dark route or not is his business. In addition i don't see how you can justify calling T-Zones as "has a good deal going" when you are in fact defrauding the network, which i have clearly pointed out in my previous response. My advice is pretty much borderline crack pot shady... but it's been discussed about here numerous times and t-mobile has done nothing to fix his loophole.... yet...
Just to add about the $20 internet plan. I have it for my HD2 (part of family plan), the rep added it when we were renewing the contract and ordering the phones (my sister got the 3G slide which came with the $25 plan). So if you want it, try calling them and talking to a rep, they should be able to add it for you (YMMV).
T-mobile can block you at any time since they do have a database of their own IMEIs and they know what device is accessing their network by it's IEMI that is transmitted every time the phone accesses the network.
It would be a very simple task for T-mobile to block the non supported devices for that data plan
Well here is what happend when I upgraded one of my lines. I just upgraded to an HD2, a couple days later theytossed on a 104 web plan. Which is fine cuz I want to use the web anyways. when I first was using my HD2 it said that it needed a subcription to access the web, blah blah. So, i changed the wap settings to internet2.voicestream.com and it works great. 3g speeds and everything.
Why did you change to the slower proxy?
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Why did you change to the slower proxy?
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The stock epc.tmo doesnt work when you have the 104 (non smart phone plan). The speeds are the same with the internet2 settings. unless you know of a different one that works a well. It works just fine.
I had a phone recently, Nokia 5530, and had the 10 dollar internet plan and I noticed depending where I was in the country I sometimes would get full internet access and other times I would get off the standard tzone areas and it would show subscription upgrade required message.
I think it might depend on where you live for this to work. Perhaps the WAP settings might also work.
There is a way to get the $10 t-zone plan on your HD2
Here is a simple way to get the t-zone on your HD2..
1) Login to your t-mobile account via the web.. register first if you haven't do so.
2) when you login, T-mobile might choose your phone (maybe HD2 already selected).. at this moment, change your phone to any non-smartphone.. like samsung T509 or any non-smartphone as your default phone.
3) go to change service and add the $10 t-zone internet to your plan
4) set your HD2 with the right APN setting you're OK.
5) For me, if you're using internet2.voicestream.com in Winmo works OK and in Android works OK.
This is a cheated way or gray area... Either way T-mobile make extra $$$ from you. I think T-mobile knows this loop hole, but they keep it open because they don't want to upset us cheapie????
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did they get rid of this? I do not see the option anymore.
Just spent about four days with TMobile on the device getting connecting on their network (Even had a ticket). Finally found out that they had me on the wrong data plan. The device needs the Web Connect plan to connect. Being so new of a device, they had the wrong plan provisioned for me as I went straight to WiFi and did not check. I currently have my device subsidy unlocked to use my AT&T and added the Ad-Hoc supplicant which I thought was the cause. After several days, someone finally realized the plan was incorrect since a Tmo Blackberry Sim worked perfectly fine.
Moral of the story, have them check to see if you have the Even More webConnect Overage Free Plan for $39.99.
Same thing happened to me and I didn't discover it til yesterday... had been using wifi all along... but in my case it was because I was on a voice plan...
effing Tmo.... just about to kiss 'em goodbye. Which makes me sad because AT&T is really not an option for me... and I don't think phone calling will be enabled on VZ or Sprint.
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Just spent about four days with TMobile on the device getting connecting on their network (Even had a ticket). Finally found out that they had me on the wrong data plan. The device needs the Web Connect plan to connect. Being so new of a device, they had the wrong plan provisioned for me as I went straight to WiFi and did not check. I currently have my device subsidy unlocked to use my AT&T and added the Ad-Hoc supplicant which I thought was the cause. After several days, someone finally realized the plan was incorrect since a Tmo Blackberry Sim worked perfectly fine.
Moral of the story, have them check to see if you have the Even More webConnect Overage Free Plan for $39.99.
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we all new this, this is nothing new...
I cancelled my Tmobile account today. After I got the Tab, I went to my account online and switched it to a voice/data/txt plan, which took effect today. I quickly tested it, and It was blocked, so I called up and cancelled.
The first customer service girl said "Awww!" when I told her I was cancelling.
The second one asked if I would like to be switched to the proper web connect plan. I said no thank you, your service plans are inadequate for my needs.
They just lost my $2300/year
Asshats!
Yeah... I think I'm heading down the same path... after I discovered that the voice plan was causing me to be redirected to Tmo on 2G/3G... no flashing, nothing else ... I just figure, **** 'em.
If they want to make it this difficult to use it as a phone, when AT&T didn't go to any of the efforts Tmo has gone to to block calling plus data, it's just not worth fighting them anymore.
Sadly, this is probably the death knell for the Tab for me... unless I just resign myself to carrying two devices... or perhaps I might try the ATT and see if wifi will work okay... their 3G service is terribly spotty in my area.
If it's only going to be an internet device and not a phone, might as well go for the less than half price Archos 70...
Call me stupid i guess, but im gonna try to stick it out and see what happens. Is there any prepaid plans out there that will work with att and get 3g? I dont want to have to get a contract with them if i do have to give up on tmo.
Sent from Jt's Samsung Galaxy Tab!!
Edit: just read turckboattruck thread. Omit question about a prepaid att plan.
Lol
I don't know if it's just because you guys generally do everything bigger in USA compared to over here in the UK, but why would you even want this to be the only phone you're carrying around? It's huge, and you have to use it on loudspeaker if you're not connecting the headset.
How is it that it wouldn't be a hindrance to you guys?
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I don't know if it's just because you guys generally do everything bigger in USA compared to over here in the UK, but why would you even want this to be the only phone you're carrying around? It's huge, and you have to use it on loudspeaker if you're not connecting the headset.
How is it that it wouldn't be a hindrance to you guys?
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It's just the fact that U.S. carriers decided to not include the phone feature that is getting us to want to do it. if it came with phone half of these discussions wouldn't even exist(obviously).
Change IMIE
Can we change IMIE on t-mobile tab to get what we want. I think we all know tmobile is blocking tab because the IMIE # is in their database.
I wanna stick to t-mobile bcoz I have 5.99 Tzones unlimited data plan. Im currently using iphone 3G.
I can use a TT Tab but then it works only on Edge. What Im looking for is a Nexus 1 like Tab which can be used for 5.99 tzones plan.
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Can we change IMIE on t-mobile tab to get what we want. I think we all know tmobile is blocking tab because the IMIE # is in their database.
I wanna stick to t-mobile bcoz I have 5.99 Tzones unlimited data plan. Im currently using iphone 3G.
I can use a TT Tab but then it works only on Edge. What Im looking for is a Nexus 1 like Tab which can be used for 5.99 tzones plan.
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It's IMEI and no, you can't.
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It's just the fact that U.S. carriers decided to not include the phone feature that is getting us to want to do it. if it came with phone half of these discussions wouldn't even exist(obviously).
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Clear the US carriers seem to think that if they don't include voice, you'll be forced to have two contracts - one for the phone and one for the Tab. The irony is that most people wouldn't even attempt to use the Tab as a phone except in a few limited situations (note, I said most, not all! ), so would've probably had two contracts anyway.
I find it very hard to believe that all 4 major US carriers came to this conclusion on their own, at the same time, which would lead me to believe there's a cartel here.
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I feel sorry for our American friends.
Here in the UK, We can get iPhone on any network at very competative prices and the Galaxy Tab Standalone for £469 unlocked and use any network we choose with it, including Phone, DATA, etc..
Where in the US the networks seem to take advantage of the monopoly they have and charge rediculously high prices for equipment and services.
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I feel sorry for our American friends.
Here in the UK, We can get iPhone on any network at very competative prices and the Galaxy Tab Standalone for £469 unlocked and use any network we choose with it, including Phone, DATA, etc..
Where in the US the networks seem to take advantage of the monopoly they have and charge rediculously high prices for equipment and services.
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Sure looks that way doesn't it, not that I would buy an iPhone again. But in the case of the tab, I can't believe they actually locked down the phone capabilities.
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