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DALLAS & BONN, Germany--(BUSINESS WIRE)--AT&T Inc. (NYSE: T) and Deutsche Telekom AG (FWB: DTE) today announced that they have entered into a definitive agreement under which AT&T will acquire T-Mobile USA from Deutsche Telekom in a cash-and-stock transaction currently valued at approximately $39 billion. The agreement has been approved by the Boards of Directors of both companies.
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Prepare to have crappy service.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES!
We're in league with those iphoners xP
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As long as they don't rape my plan, I can live with it. Just means more people I can call on the same network.
This pretty much means bye bye to my G2. ATT is probably gonna raise the plan prices and get rid of unlimited data.
Goes to check out the Verizon android phones.
Man. I was on Cingular since it was SouthwesternBellWireless, and refused to deal with the snobs at AT&T. Then (sorta-kinda) I ended up on AT&T anyways, just dumped them for T-Mobile in November, and now I'm going to end up BACK on AT&T. I just can't freakin get away from them.
I got a G2 that says Verizon buys either Sprint or MetroPCS before the end of the year.
WTF
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If it passes regulatory approval I'm jumping ship, the only option left for affordable plans with unlimited data is Sprint... I wish I'd waited to see the dual core phones so I could upgrade and jump ship at the same time.
Prepare for crappy phone AND customer service.
I mostly use wifi when I'm using my data. This does **** suck. If it's true, I'm jumping to Verizon when my contract's up next year.
Sigh
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Awesome! T-Mobile service BLOWS if you're not near a major city... this is very beneficial for me.
Damn this sucks
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I know it's soon but so many questions! What happens to our 3G/4G bands and phones?!? My grandfathered T-Zones plans from like 7 years ago?! The beloved customer service?!
AT&T will have a GSM monopoly. What a nightmare.
I don't know what to say.
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who here wants to cry with me... im really hating this right now.. cant believe this actually happing
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Awesome! T-Mobile service BLOWS if you're not near a major city... this is very beneficial for me.
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Well when you think about it, most people who HAVE tmobile LIVE near a major city. This benefits no one except the people who should've been with at&t ._.
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Typical...
I left Sprint for my business account in February after 9 years and moved on to one of my family T-Mobile accounts dating back to the Voicestream days, SPECIFICALLY because I don't want the AT&T or Verizon headaches.
Being responsible for various company's telecom, data and mobile services, I've dealt with every single one of the carriers over the past 16 years, and can say without hesitation that T-Mobile has the BEST customer service. AT&T is the absolute worst, with the possible exception of Orange or Vodafone-AG.
I had dared to dream that T-Mobile and Sprint would reach an agreement, reach critical mass and survive as a viable alternative to the AT&T-Verizon hegemony.
IMHO, it is unrealistic to expect Congress to review this merger in an unbiased manner. AT&T and T-Mobile have a legion of lobbyists already "explaining" the value & importance of this transaction to our elected officials; as money flows into re-election campaign funds, elaborate "fact finding missions" and junkets to European destinations are planned & payed for; college scholarships are awarded to family members through obscure networks of shell organizations...
Then again, maybe our elected officials will surprise me... we're still going to get that hopey-changey thing someone was selling in 2008, right?
Seriously, F AT&T, they are going to ruin everything that is good about T-mobile.
Say bye-bye to phones like the G2 when AT&T is around, they're notoriously terrible about progressing stock android devices, and have always stopped the side-loading of non-market apps on every Android phone they have.
As long as they don't get rid of non contract Even More+ plans and keep my plan cheap, I don't really care, but I can only imagine prices and everything are going up. Not to mention that we're gonna more than likely lose unlimited data, and lose free tethering.
T-mobile has been fantastic to me and its a great deal, but I just have a bad feeling nothing is getting better with this except coverage. Id rather have poor coverage than everything else that AT&T is going to do to wreck a great carrier.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not with AT&T for a damn reason - they suck!!! I could go all day listing every reason why they suck but it's too nice outside. This just messed up my whole damn day. Really, will this even pass the check points? I mean they will have a monopoly for the most part on ALL gsm service in the CONUS.
It's almost April... maybe this is just an early joke, a very sick one at that and not even funny.
I hate Motorola's implemintation of Android and since those are the only decent Android phones Verizon carries - Sprint, here I come. I live in their home city anyway.
*RAGE*
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ilostchild said:
who here wants to cry with me... im really hating this right now.. cant believe this actually happing
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I'm crying with you! SO, SO, SO very sad right now. I hope it doesn't get approved!
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I just read about this on the Washington Post. What are yall thoughts regarding a merger between T-mobile and Sprint?
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Personally, I think it sucks. Not sure how it could benefit the consumer, or the manufacturers... I don't like the idea of there only being 3 big players.... I dont like the idea of GSM/CDMA joining... not even sure how that would work.
Nothing seems beneficial....
This Will Not Be Good,
for 1, which system are they really going to end up using ? Sprint is CDMA my Bet this will be bad for the consumer
Mergers like these inevitably only benefit the Company not the consumer. Ever notice that when one company raises prices the other do so as well? The only "hold mechanism" that prevents this is rigorous competition. When there is only a duo or tri-opoloy then corporate price fixing becomes a sure thing. Remember when (maybe most are not old enough) cable TV was 10 major players, Now ? 3, and what happened as a result of all the mergers and acquisitions ? higher prices and less selection.
On another note : Do you remember SamsungJohn ? and his Great announcement, I wonder if this is it. If it is .........we're getting HOSED..............
I think its very good. as long as they provide the same plan after merger
anyways, Sprint is starting 4g rollout, which is nice for future.
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I heard about that a while ago too. Then there would be "the big three ". The question that comes to mind is, how does that benefit us? lower bills? Better phones? Better network?
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Be assured this isn't about what's best for the customers. It's about what's best for the companies staying profitable.
I don't see any personal benefit from it.
Most likely they'll keep the GSM and CDMA networks and gradually migrate everyone over to LTE.
Yeah, there is NO WAY this benefits the consumer. Likely less high-end phones (dont need as many rollouts/marketing involved)... less need for prices to stay low (since if all 3 started raising prices, the consumer has no choice).
I cant articulate just how much I hate the idea of it.
This is the third or fourth time the rumors of this merger have popped up
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This is the third or fourth time the rumors of this merger have popped up
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Yeah I've been hearing these rumors for over a year now.
Don't take away the great plans or SIMs and maybe we'll be good.
Oh no, Sprint just likes to ruin my mobile life I remember a few years back when I got my first Nextel and discovered Howard Forums. I loved my Nextels and learned to make some good money selling customized Nextels & parting out the LE phones. Then the rumors came about the Sprint Nextel merger. They destroyed Nextel. I went back to TMobile and now this again! Capitalism at it's best.
Lets see, best customer satisfaction? T mobile
Best prices? T mobile
Acceptable service? T mobile
Family friendly plans? T mobile
Unlimited cheap data? T mobile
Open architecture? Gsm phones, unlocked phones compatibility?
T mobile
yet the company is suffering from losses.
What's wrong with people?
Why would anyone support verizon or at&t
If people supported tmobile, this would never happen
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Most people are stuck on tmobile and the voicestream days. Tmobile has always gotten knocked for its service... But honestly ive been a customer since 2000 and have noticed the serice is now on par with verizon. Priblem is people arent smart, and most people stay with verizon because they have that "can u hear me now?" **** and also because they advertise like madmen.
isnt tmo owned by deutschtelecom also?
And also I dont see how a merger between 2 companies using 2 different cell technologies will be beneficial. Ifanything tmobile should juststick with offering the cheapest plans and best customer service and slowly but surely you will see people migrate over slower...
Tmobile really doesnt offer anything special anymore, nd customer service definantly went downhill from what it used to be.
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This is the third or fourth time the rumors of this merger have popped up
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these rumors have been going around for years. it wouldn't really make sense, either. their networks are incompatible, and tmob has been spending a **** ton of money on their network.
Now i know why tmobile isn't bashing sprint in their commercials.
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Most people are stuck on tmobile and the voicestream days. Tmobile has always gotten knocked for its service... But honestly ive been a customer since 2000 and have noticed the serice is now on par with verizon. Priblem is people arent smart, and most people stay with verizon because they have that "can u hear me now?" **** and also because they advertise like madmen.
isnt tmo owned by deutschtelecom also?
And also I dont see how a merger between 2 companies using 2 different cell technologies will be beneficial. Ifanything tmobile should juststick with offering the cheapest plans and best customer service and slowly but surely you will see people migrate over slower...
Tmobile really doesnt offer anything special anymore, nd customer service definantly went downhill from what it used to be.
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Good service is geographical. I live in LA and my service is very spotty. I worked for T-mobile for almost 4.5 years and my reception changed everytime I moved. Right now it is absolutely horrible but I stay on because I have a good price.
After reading a few articles about the potential merger I get the idea that they are not looking to integrate their systems but cut the operations cost that they are incurring, at least for the near short term. In reality it is not written anywhere that if two companies merge they must use one system or another. It would be a major game changer for both of these companies to merge and still use each carriers network (talk about flexibility). Regardless if they companies merge though prices will continue to go up. Data has become such a big commodity that people are willing to pay more for it regardless of who they have.
Cliffnotes: In my opinion they will only be merging operations for the first few years to cut costs, see which provider can retain the most amount of customers and go from there.
Is sprint even as big as tmobile is? Its sad that all these companies are trying to charge as much as possible for data...
And my biggest problem with tmobile is I pay an additional 20 bucks for my data service... And its supposedly unlimited.. But the minute I hit that 5gb cap I get slowed to literally dial up speed... Thanks tmobile!!! So the data really isnt unlimited, and I cant even purchase more bandwith
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Is sprint even as big as tmobile is? Its sad that all these companies are trying to charge as much as possible for data...
And my biggest problem with tmobile is I pay an additional 20 bucks for my data service... And its supposedly unlimited.. But the minute I hit that 5gb cap I get slowed to literally dial up speed... Thanks tmobile!!! So the data really isnt unlimited, and I cant even purchase more bandwith
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Agreed, its tricky advertising regarding unlimited data. But that's the best you can get in USA . At least they don't charge for excess data past 5GB. No one offers unlimited data for that price. For example AT&T offers 2GB for $20 you are paying plus an additional $5, not to mention overage fees...
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Agreed, its tricky advertising regarding unlimited data. But that's the best you can get in USA . At least they don't charge for excess data past 5GB. No one offers unlimited data for that price. For example AT&T offers 2GB for $20 you are paying plus an additional $5, not to mention overage fees...
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And this is exactly why people dont join tmobile... Make the bandwidth unlimited for like 25 buxs... And then advertise that you really give unlimited compared to what att and verizon do...
If you want to suceed you have to stand out... And tmobile barely stands out, and I beieve sprints plans are the cheapest
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And this is exactly why people dont join tmobile... Make the bandwidth unlimited for like 25 buxs... And then advertise that you really give unlimited compared to what att and verizon do...
If you want to suceed you have to stand out... And tmobile barely stands out, and I beieve sprints plans are the cheapest
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Actually it is unlimited. Speed is limited to 3/4-g until 5GB, then throttled, can't really complain for that. I'd take this over $500 or so extra per GB of ATT overage
T-Mobile released a statement that contracts will not change in a year(when att takes over) as long as you have sign one before then.
http://tinyurl.com/4o46cfb
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That is stupid.
Tmo sold, who do they think they are to dictate that nothing will change ?
Are you really that naive ?
Agreed, don't be so naive.
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That is stupid.
Tmo sold, who do they think they are to dictate that nothing will change ?
Are you really that naive ?
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I have to agree, you shouldn't be so naive. Chances are to avoid any trouble they will honor all existing contracts, but what happens to people that are not in a contract?
What happens to those of us who are month to month? Chances are At&t will force us to switch to a new rate plan and give us a few months to do so before they cut us off completely.
Wow. Such hate for AT&T. I don't get it.
I had been a happy customer of theirs for more than 2 decades (Original AT&T Wireless -> Cingular -> AT&T). My plan from the original ATT Wireless was grandfathered in and survived two corporate takeovers. In other words, I was out of contract more than 10 years ago and they never forced me to upgrade or change.
The only reason I switched to T-Mo is the phone and price. I needed a new plan since I could NOT get data into my grandfathered plan. AT&T had really expensive pricing for data, so we switched.
I am actually looking forward to going back. AT&T service was and is really professional. (Cingular's was NOT).
Disclaimer, I do NOT work for them, and I own no AT&T stock. Just stating my own direct experience.
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AT&T service was and is really professional. (Cingular's was NOT).
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My wife and I have logged many hours with AT&T's support voice menus, scripts, learned the thick accents, and have many of the responses memorized. I get paid quite well by the hour and it insults me why I should pay to get the runaround by thick layers of departments for which AT&T is famous.
I was a happy Cingular customer. AT&T bought them. I left for obvious reasons. Now I'm with Tmobile. My recent experience with AT&T over Uverse (oh what could possibly go wrong...today?) is likely an indicator of what I can expect yet again. It took 6 technicians from AT&T to finally replace a cable of a wrong impedance (I may have an BSEE, but its highly counterproductive talking to scripted tech support who will punish scientific arguments.) No thanks. Can you feel the hate dripping?
The Death Star strikes again. Crushing the rebel forces one by one...
No price change until:
A) you need a new contract
B) you are not under contract
C) when you want to add a feature not included in your contract
D) ATT decides to cancel your current plan and offers you a new plan will less features for the same money.
I agree with the approve poster... there will be a GSM monopoly. GSM is a requisite for all international travelers.
Oh Ma Bell, the irony.
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What happens to those of us who are month to month? Chances are At&t will force us to switch to a new rate plan and give us a few months to do so before they cut us off completely.
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This. My credit sucks. If I think what may happen actually happens, there goes my only chance of actually having service for my beautiful cellphone, unless I go to cricket, which makes me vomit just thinking about using a huawei. Im scared.
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The only reason I switched to T-Mo is the phone and price. I needed a new plan since I could NOT get data into my grandfathered plan. AT&T had really expensive pricing for data, so we switched.
Maybe this is not hate but it sure is not love either. Just saying
Guys, you shouldn't worry about pricing.
1. AT&T may have paid for it, but they don't completely own it until the DOJ and FCC do what they need to do. They can still deny it.
2. AT&T wouldn't be dumb enough to piss off current T-Mobile customers to the point where they cancel their contracts, I mean they did just shell out $25 billion in cash (+ $14 billion in stocks or something) for the company, they wouldn't risk losing all of the profit right away.
Plans will be grandfathered. That's a fact. I've worked for the blue devil and they are good on that note. However how will this affect upcoming android phones? With all their sideloading app crappy. Smh. Sprint may be my last resort. I may work for them but I do loathe them..
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I'm very worried about this. Granted, it may be some time before these changes actually take effect, but I for one do not currently have a contract, and that is the sole reason I switched from at&t to tmo. Now after purchasing 4 phones at full price so that I could keep my cheaper monthly rate, I'm fairly certain that at&t is going to force me to go with one of their plans. I like my unlimited data for 25 bucks a month. Will at&t do that for me? Past experience says a hearty, resounding, "no".
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Well it looks like if you stay with ATT/T-Mobile, you will have to get a new handset due to the AWS spectrum.
http://tinyurl.com/67f7osl
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Mazz35 said:
Well it looks like if you stay with ATT/T-Mobile, you will have to get a new handset due to the AWS spectrum.
http://tinyurl.com/67f7osl
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Not for those of us with Vibrants since they are capable of both AWS spectrums.
AT&T giving a twelve month window for the merger to take place is extremely optimistic. Maybe if the FCC and justice department was put in place by the GOP. We are probably looking at 16-18 months for approval given Ma Bell's monopoly history.
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Guys, you shouldn't worry about pricing.
1. AT&T may have paid for it, but they don't completely own it until the DOJ and FCC do what they need to do. They can still deny it.
2. AT&T wouldn't be dumb enough to piss off current T-Mobile customers to the point where they cancel their contracts, I mean they did just shell out $25 billion in cash (+ $14 billion in stocks or something) for the company, they wouldn't risk losing all of the profit right away.
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AT&T is not so much after the T-Mobile business or customers, it is more desirous of the T-Mobile AWS spectrum. See Confirmed:
AT&T wants to use T-Mobile's AWS spectrum for LTE buildout" over on Engadget. AT&T have proved over and over again they could not care less about customers. So do I think they would be foolish enough to "piss off" T-Mobile customers? Sure in fact many of the T-Mobile current customers have already been "pissed off" by AT&T and are on TMO because of that!
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Not for those of us with Vibrants since they are capable of both AWS spectrums.
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Ok... good to know that. I was a bit worried after reading that.
Mazz35 said:
Well it looks like if you stay with ATT/T-Mobile, you will have to get a new handset due to the AWS spectrum.
http://tinyurl.com/67f7osl
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It does appear to be that way. I had planned on purchasing on upgrade the LG G2X and the new lg tablet but now it is up in the air. What a time for T mobile to spring this. I got away from AT&T 14 years ago(have been with T Mobile the whole time) and do not want their level of service and pricing again. I guess Verizon is about the only choice for me as I certainly do not want Sprint. I wonder if T mobile will continue to roll out some of the new phones from LG one of which is rumored to be Vanilla android, or will this just coast till the deal is completely done.
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Guys, you shouldn't worry about pricing.
1. AT&T may have paid for it, but they don't completely own it until the DOJ and FCC do what they need to do. They can still deny it.
2. AT&T wouldn't be dumb enough to piss off current T-Mobile customers to the point where they cancel their contracts, I mean they did just shell out $25 billion in cash (+ $14 billion in stocks or something) for the company, they wouldn't risk losing all of the profit right away.
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Well, you never know. From my assumption, they only purchased T-Mobile for their 4G towers, they are going to use the existing ones to boost their own 4G LTE network to most of the country (and by most, I mean like 97 percent) including rural areas. Head over to Engadget, what might happen in one year might be interesting.. I am definitely not a fan of AT&T but theoretically their plan seems solid.
Just my ideas on it. Take them as you want..
Grandfathered
I'm just wondering just how long AT&T is going to allow my the TMO unlimited calling, unlimited data, $10 HotSpot plan to stay in force? Debating on riding out existing contract and then updating to Vibrant 4G and re-up before they stick it to me....or maybe that will be too late because it'll already be under AT&Ts BS data contracts.
I was with AT&T for years until they made it clear they could care less if I stayed with them or not. They would offer you the world to switch but if you were already a customer, they wouldn't offer you squat to reup.
The only good news potentially is that TMO has notoriously bad reception in rural areas (in Texas anyway) where AT&T is much better.
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Guys, you shouldn't worry about pricing.
1. AT&T may have paid for it, but they don't completely own it until the DOJ and FCC do what they need to do. They can still deny it.
2. AT&T wouldn't be dumb enough to piss off current T-Mobile customers to the point where they cancel their contracts, I mean they did just shell out $25 billion in cash (+ $14 billion in stocks or something) for the company, they wouldn't risk losing all of the profit right away.
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The USA will approve AT&T's buyout. AT&T says yes when Tmobile says no to unlimited government wiretapping. With Tmobile, they always say, "sorry" when records or access is wanted. The green light for this was long in the works.
Please go here and sign, it has to do with sim swapping and the grandfathered unlimited data plan being resended.
"AT&T is price gouging by disabling device features! MUST READ!" petition: REMOVED DUE TO VIRUS REPORTS
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ohnoes!!!
The (obviously fake) "Windows security" on groubal's site told me that my android-running hd2 had 8 viruses in its C:\ drive!!! Lol ... mods please clean this link out.
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Get that **** out of here OP.
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Please go here and sign, it has to do with sim swapping and the grandfathered unlimited data plan being resended.
"AT&T is price gouging by disabling device features! MUST READ!" petition: REMOVED DUE TO VIRUS REPORTS
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I am very sorry for that.
YES it got me too, the damn link was highjacked.
Go to www.groubal.com NO VIRUS on this link
and search for grandfather, it will show the correct thread.
This shouldn't be a surprise, ATT didn't buy Tmobile for the customers, they just want the network. Screw them both, as soon as they change anything on my plan (just signed til 2013), I'm gone.
mr8820 said:
This shouldn't be a surprise, ATT didn't buy Tmobile for the customers, they just want the network. Screw them both, as soon as they change anything on my plan (just signed til 2013), I'm gone.
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I'm with you doc, they raise the rates on my plan and I'm back with Sprint in a heartbeat.
What up orange! Yeah, the state of cell phones will get very bleak soon .
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What up orange! Yeah, the state of cell phones will get very bleak soon .
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Yeah it sure seems that way for us T-Mobile USA customers. I am sure AT&T is going to figure out some kind of way to screw us T-Mobile adopties eventualy. I mean if they have no respect for their current customers what makes anyone think us T-Mobile users will be any different.
I linked an article in another thread from tmonews, the guy broke down some interesting facts about ATT...but in the end, we're all going to lose. Sprint will get swallowed up, thus officially ending unlimited web on phones...my sister was on Alltel with a sweet plan, Verizon canned that quick.
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T-Macgnolia said:
Yeah it sure seems that way for us T-Mobile USA customers. I am sure AT&T is going to figure out some kind of way to screw us T-Mobile adopties eventualy. I mean if they have no respect for their current customers what makes anyone think us T-Mobile users will be any different.
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So you have experience with ATT then? Or are you just doomsday guessing? Cause it sure seems like a lot of T-mobile customers magically know more about ATT than the actual, you know, customers.
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So you have experience with ATT then? Or are you just doomsday guessing? Cause it sure seems like a lot of T-mobile customers magically know more about ATT than the actual, you know, customers.
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No I am not just "doomsday guessing" as you said. I am speaking from experience. I was a AT&T customer about 3 years ago and I had a very bad experience with them. So I paid my cancellation fee and moved on. I was only with them for not quite a year and just got feed up with them. My mom just last week had her phone and my step fathers phone turned off and went to a prepaid service. My mom was a AT&T customer for 21 years, she had her home phone and cellphones through AT&T. She had her numbers disconnected cause she had been calling AT&T's costumer service and going to her local AT&t for 6 months straight to try to get a better deal on her cell phone plans cause she was paying $280 dollars a month for her service and she or my step dad did not have smartphones. They both had dumb phones and nether one of them used there phone for any kind of internet, instant messaging, or multimedia messaging. Heck my mom and step father barely new how to even use the dumb phones they had. Plus the reception they got at their house was terrible, could not even stand inside the house to talk on the phone. Both of their phones where pieces of **** and AT&T would not offer her any other dumb phones for a decent price. Like I said my mom was a customer with AT&T for 21 years. and they treated her like ****. So don't come at me with "Cause it sure seems like a lot of T-mobile customers magically know more about ATT than the actual, you know, customers" crap. I know plenty about AT&T. And I know they just want T-Mobiles network they could give a crap less about keeping their customers.
Plus one, not to mention that most tmobile customers used to be on att and ran from them.
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Bye bye unlimited plans.
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No I am not just "doomsday guessing" as you said. I am speaking from experience. I was a AT&T customer about 3 years ago and I had a very bad experience with them.
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And I've been with them since the Cingular Merger for 7 years. Guess my 7 is greater than your 'less than 1'.
My mom was a AT&T customer for 21 years, she had her home phone and cellphones through AT&T.
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AT&T Wireless has only been around for 10 years. You do realize that they are different areas right?
She had her numbers disconnected cause she had been calling AT&T's costumer service and going to her local AT&t for 6 months straight to try to get a better deal on her cell phone plans cause she was paying $280 dollars a month for her service and she or my step dad did not have smartphones.
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Now here's the interesting part. That number doesn't make sense unless they had an unlimited minutes plan with more than 2 phones or a 4000 minute plan with Canada calling. So it sounds like either a salesperson talked them into an expensive plan or they chose a Canada package or were given one.
In either case, they could have changed plans. And no, I don't believe that they weren't allowed. That just sounds like bull****.
Your facts are wrong about ATT, they've been around way longer than 10 years...the U.S. government made them break up over 20 years ago because they were a monopoly..Cingular was born, and after the dust settled, ATT quietly bought them back.
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mr8820 said:
Your facts are wrong about ATT, they've been around way longer than 10 years...the U.S. government made them break up over 20 years ago because they were a monopoly..Cingular was born, and after the dust settled, ATT quietly bought them back.
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Reading is fundamental.
"AT&T Wireless has only been around for 10 years."
See, now you want to argue instead of discussing....and you kind of sound trollish buddy .
http://www.corp.att.com/history/history1.html
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mr8820 said:
See, now you want to argue instead of discussing....and you kind of sound trollish buddy .
http://www.corp.att.com/history/history1.html
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I think he was meaning that AT&T Wireless had only been around 10 years. I note from your link that they were established in 1993, which would in fact be 18 years.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Leaked-ATT-Letter-Demolishes-Case-For-TMobile-Merger-115652
Yesterday a partially-redacted document briefly appeared on the FCC website --accidentally posted by a law firm working for AT&T on the $39 billion T-Mobile deal (somewhere there's a paralegal looking for work today). While AT&T engaged in damage control telling reporters that the document contained no new information -- our review of the doc shows that's simply not true. Data in the letter undermines AT&T's primary justification for the massive deal, while highlighting how AT&T is willing to pay a huge premium simply to reduce competition and keep T-Mobile out of Sprint's hands.
We've previously discussed how AT&T's claims of job gains and network investment gained by the deal aren't true, with overall network investment actually being reduced with the elimination of T-Mobile. While AT&T and the CWA are busy telling regulators the deal will increase network investment by $8 billion, out of the other side of their mouth AT&T has been telling investors the deal will reduce investment by $10 billion over 6 years. Based on historical averages T-Mobile would have invested $18 billion during that time frame, which means an overall reduction in investment.
Yet to get the deal approved, AT&T's key talking point to regulators and the press has been the claim that they need T-Mobile to increase LTE network coverage from 80% to 97% of the population. Except it has grown increasingly clear that AT&T doesn't need T-Mobile to accomplish much of anything, and likely would have arrived at 97% simply to keep pace with Verizon. AT&T, who has fewer customers and more spectrum than Verizon (or any other company for that matter), has all the resources and spectrum they need for uniform LTE coverage without this deal.
For the first time the letter pegs the cost of bringing AT&T's LTE coverage from 80% to 97% at $3.8 billion -- quite a cost difference from the $39 billion price tag on the T-Mobile deal. The push for 97% coverage apparently came from AT&T marketing, who was well aware that leaving LTE investment at 80% would leave them at a competitive disadvantage to Verizon. Marketing likely didn't want a repeat of the Luke Wilson map fiasco of a few years back, when Verizon made AT&T look foolish for poor 3G coverage.
The letter also notes that AT&T's supposed decision to "not" build out LTE to 97% was cemented during the first week of January, yet public documents (pdf) indicate that at the same time AT&T was already considering buying T-Mobile, having proposed the deal to Deutsche Telekom on January 15. In the letter, AT&T tries to make it seem like the decision to hold off on that 17% LTE expansion was based on costs. Yet the fact the company was willing to shell out $39 billion one week later, combined with AT&T's track record with these kinds of tactics, suggests AT&T executives knew that 80-97% expansion promise would be a useful carrot on a stick for politicians.
While the $39 billion price certainly delivers AT&T customers, equipment, employees, and spectrum, most of T-Mobile's network replicates AT&T's existing resources in major markets, and T-Mobile's network is significantly less robust in rural markets where AT&T would want to expand. While the deal provides AT&T with a shortcut to sluggish tower builds in a few select markets, by and large AT&T will be faced with terminating many redundant positions and decommissioning a lot of duplicative equipment. They'll also have to close a large number of retail operations and independent retailers.
Again, the reality appears to be that AT&T is giving Deutsche Telekom $39 billion primarily to reduce market competition. That price tag eliminates T-Mobile entirely -- and makes Sprint (and by proxy new LTE partner LightSquared and current partner Clearwire) more susceptible to failure in the face of 80% AT&T/Verizon market domination. How much do you think wireless broadband market dominance is worth to AT&T over the next decade? After all, AT&T will be first to tell you there's a wireless data "tsunami" coming, with AT&T and Verizon on the shore eagerly billing users up to $10 per gigabyte.
Regardless of the motivation behind rejecting 97% LTE deployment, the letter proves AT&T's claim they need T-Mobile to improve LTE coverage from 80-97% simply isn't true. That's a huge problem for AT&T, since nearly every politician and non-profit that has voiced support for the merger did so based largely on this buildout promise. It's also a problem when it comes to the DOJ review, since proof that AT&T could complete their LTE build for far less than the cost of this deal means the deal doesn't meet the DOJ's standard for merger-specific benefits.
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Wow I hope you're right and that this does throw a monkey wrench in the merger review... AT&T has notoriously wretched customer service & this is purely a power grab to squeeze out competition. These commercials about the merger being necessary to expand coverage to underserved populations looks like & smells like PR-spin BS. But, it seems like a lot of big players are coming out in favor of it... It'd be a great time to be an AT&T lobbyist right now.
interesting - but I think most of us were already aware of their false info since the get-go
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interesting - but I think most of us were already aware of their false info since the get-go
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Maybe we knew, but not most people. I hope it gets denied so Sprint can merge and catch up to the big red and at&t.
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Damn that's a lot of typing on an onscreen keyboard..
Edit: I see you just copied the article into the thread. Good info!
shane6374 said:
Damn that's a lot of typing on an onscreen keyboard..
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To be honest, I copy/pasted. But I could do it with my favorite, Swiftkey X keyboard.
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The merger has big tech industry and political support. If it does happen, we need to look at what assets ATT/TMobile will have to divest to meet approval, and which assets Sprint can buy up.
son of a ***** my ATT stock is going to take a dive on monday
murso74 said:
son of a ***** my ATT stock is going to take a dive on monday
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I'd take a look at Sprint's stock if this merger is declined. lol
Overstew said:
I'd take a look at Sprint's stock if this merger is declined. lol
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I'm planning on grabbing handfuls of it on Monday anyway.
The Root said:
I'm planning on grabbing handfuls of it on Monday anyway.
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Makes me wish I had the money to get into stock trading. But I'm sure it doesn't help that I don't know much about it, haha
Sprint's balance sheet is much too bloated with debt and an uncertain 4G future. I would invest in reliable companies like Exxon Mobil, Microsoft, Ford, and Walmart.
I'm glad you posted this not for the info that we already knew but for the fact that this merger should go down in flames now
Reading this made me so happy. I will starting as a retail associate for tmo within the next few weeks (been trying for 3 years!) And I'm def happy about this. **** at&t this merger is horrible and is a completely legit try at market dominance. Sprint needs to pick up tmo, no matter what the outcome of the different tech and spectrum being used is. It would put all 3 companies neck to neck. And since sprint's prices are the **** big red and apples main brown nosers will be force to compete, instead of raping your wallet.
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last thing sprint needs to do is integrate another new tech.
RushAOZ said:
Reading this made me so happy. I will starting as a retail associate for tmo within the next few weeks (been trying for 3 years!) And I'm def happy about this. **** at&t this merger is horrible and is a completely legit try at market dominance. Sprint needs to pick up tmo, no matter what the outcome of the different tech and spectrum being used is. It would put all 3 companies neck to neck. And since sprint's prices are the **** big red and apples main brown nosers will be force to compete, instead of raping your wallet.
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murso74 said:
last thing sprint needs to do is integrate another new tech.
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It's interesting to see both views on the subject. I'm all for Sprint grabbing T-Mobile. If another wireless carrier gets T-Mobile, Sprint will most likely go bankrupt and/or be bought out by another company instead. Sprint's options are to either buy or be bought. (At least that's my view of it).
Sprint's a great company that cares about it's customers, I just wish they were larger because they're the ones that have fair pricing.
Yeap. If I was Google Id pick up sprint and tmo... wasn't there talks about Google acquiring sprint or something. If Google owned its own network apple would be screwed
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RushAOZ said:
Yeap. If I was Google Id pick up sprint and tmo... wasn't there talks about Google acquiring sprint or something. If Google owned its own network apple would be screwed
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http://www.businessinsider.com/sprint-verizon-comcast-google-2011-3
Verizon stated they wouldn't buy Sprint, they're in too much debt (that link I cannot find), however, it was interesting that Comcast might buy Sprint. Then again, same thing. Sprint's too much in debt to be bought out right now. I'm very interested in seeing how this pans out.
Not to mention Google just announced purchasing Motorola Mobile. Verizon carries the most Motorola Products so far so who knows what will happen. What I like is that Motorola also develops and provides set top boxes and cable modems for most cable operators so I think this can help Google bring more into the home tv and internet service area.
that's it... google buys sprint, the att tomobile deal goes through... we have a 3 way race. google undercuts everyones prices, and everyone benifits!
and by everyone i mean me
Just read the U.S is trying to block AT&T from purchasing T-Mo...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44341803/ns/business-us_business/
lets hope for the best!!!
For the best... Well let's hope that they can't buy T-Mo... and then let's hope for a judged ordered break down of AT&T.... now that would be awesome! Worst case scenarios... AT&T wins and merges T-Mo... and well look at that everyone PRICES go up to par
Yep we'll see. This doesn't mean the merger is completely stopped, but its a big step in the right direction!
Problem is, DT still doesn't want T-Mobile USA, what will they do?
Hey Google...got a little extra cash?
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I kinda feel sorry for all those people who jumped ship at the first announcment and are now stuck with verizon...
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Problem is, DT still doesn't want T-Mobile USA, what will they do?
Hey Google...got a little extra cash?
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Haha good luck. If Google tried to buy T-mo there's no way that would ever go through. We can hope though right?
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I kinda feel sorry for all those people who jumped ship at the first announcment and are now stuck with verizon...
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Well that's their problem. They're pretty stupid to have jumped to Verizon. Especially considering that at that point if the merger did go through, they were looking at at least 18 months before they saw anything real happen to T-Mobile as we know them now.
thank god. I got At&T for 24 hours to get the new iPhone after being with T-Mobile for 8 years or so and thought their service sucked at least in Tampa. T-Mo was much faster and hella cheaper. The iPhone sucks, it's is all hype. Android all the way!
Personally, I would like to see one of the providers that use T-Mobile network buy T-Mobile. Tsimple Mobile? Walmart?
Or maybe US Cellular or other regional player can get bigger?
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I can understand the sentiments between the services of T-mo and AT&T, but I'm simply looking at this from a bigger picture.
If passed, this means the USA is going more in the direction most people never wanted it to go. Government intervention between our personal, and business lives when, sometimes, there isn't anything to intervene about -- AT&T and T-mobile are big boys, they might not make the best decisions that all their customers approve of, but for the most part they should be able to settle it themselves amicably.
Next thing you know, this situation paves the road for the government managing industries like a nagging granny.
All in all, this looks good in the immediate focus, but not in the prospective future. Who wants things being held at a stop point?
kaijura said:
I can understand the sentiments between the services of T-mo and AT&T, but I'm simply looking at this from a bigger picture.
If passed, this means the USA is going more in the direction most people never wanted it to go. Government intervention between our personal, and business lives when, sometimes, there isn't anything to intervene about -- AT&T and T-mobile are big boys, they might not make the best decisions that all their customers approve of, but for the most part they should be able to settle it themselves amicably.
Next thing you know, this situation paves the road for the government managing industries like a nagging granny.
All in all, this looks good in the immediate focus, but not in the prospective future. Who wants things being held at a stop point?
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I think most people agree that monopolies are generally not a good thing, no matter which end of the political spectrum you're on.
I was originally all for the merger, but after the "changes" and "streamlining" that AT&T has done so far, I think the government is doing the right thing.
As soon as the merger was approved, AT&T goes ahead and "streamlines" their text plan by giving the customers even LESS options. so now you have to either pay 20c per text and 30c per mms OR pay 20 bucks for unlimited.... They claim that the merger would provide better service for the customers and country but they're showing that the merger would make the customers pay more.
I dont know how true this is, but it technically costs AT&T 1 penny to send 5,000 text messages yet, they charge us 20 cent for 1 text message. So after actions like this, I now am completely opposed to the merger and I hope that it will not go through, so I can switch over to Tmobile when my DZ dies.
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I think most people agree that monopolies are generally not a good thing, no matter which end of the political spectrum you're on.
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if it passes, att would have as much of a monopoly over the US cellular market as android has over the smartphone market right now. It's a decent half, but nowhere near close to the legit term.
I just don't feel it is a good thing for government to intervene, that's my gripe over the issue. It denounces the true meaning for consumer/business capitalism we once hoped to live in.
On a side note, I'm not exactly excited about AT&T fees either. It's a mixed feeling, but I don't let my personal anecdotes get into politics.
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if it passes, att would have as much of a monopoly over the US cellular market as android has over the smartphone market right now. It's a decent half, but nowhere near close to the legit term.
I just don't feel it is a good thing for government to intervene, that's my gripe over the issue. It denounces the true meaning for consumer/business capitalism we once hoped to live in.
On a side note, I'm not exactly excited about AT&T fees either. It's a mixed feeling, but I don't let my personal anecdotes get into politics.
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It would be a GSM monopoly, and effectively a cell carrier duopoly between AT&T and Verizon. Sprint wouldn't stand a chance if AT&T consumed T-mobile, and they'd either be bought out or disappear as well. Its just not a good thing for consumers in any way. I'm very anti-government intervention, but I really think they did the right thing here.
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if it passes, att would have as much of a monopoly over the US cellular market as android has over the smartphone market right now. It's a decent half, but nowhere near close to the legit term.
I just don't feel it is a good thing for government to intervene, that's my gripe over the issue. It denounces the true meaning for consumer/business capitalism we once hoped to live in.
On a side note, I'm not exactly excited about AT&T fees either. It's a mixed feeling, but I don't let my personal anecdotes get into politics.
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If it passed than you are looking at a wide variety of possibilities. The death of Sprint and other small carriers, loss of thousands of jobs...
I hate government intervention as well (i'm not a Pastafarian for nothing), but things like this do need to be investigated. Big corporations almost never care about what's in the best interest of the consumer, and mergers that radically change the landscape like this need to be examined.
AT&T didn't try to do this for the greater good, they did it to line their pockets and have more customers to screw over. They would have had too much influence in the wireless market.
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on NPR, they said AT&T promised that it would move 5000 call center jobs back to the US, and NO T-Mobile call center people would loose their jobs. I'm not a fan of AT&T and would prolly switch to Sprint once the merger happens. BUT, wouldn't AT&T have to honor all the current contracts at those rates and services and grandfather them for renewal? So if your T-Mo now, you would be able to stay at your current plan indefinitely? It would just effect new customers..no? Plus i've an upgrade available and have been eyeballing the Ruby So would rather not have to switch carriers.
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thank god. I got At&T for 24 hours to get the new iPhone after being with T-Mobile for 8 years or so and thought their service sucked at least in Tampa. T-Mo was much faster and hella cheaper. The iPhone sucks, it's is all hype. Android all the way!
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Lol I live I'm Tampa but my service is great
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tep065 said:
BUT, wouldn't AT&T have to honor all the current contracts at those rates and services and grandfather them for renewal? So if your T-Mo now, you would be able to stay at your current plan indefinitely? It would just effect new customers..no?
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technically yes.
but here's how they usually change it on you. You are welcome to continue with your plan, but if you ever upgrade with AT&T into a 2 year contract for a new phone, you MUST go by their plan, in which case considering that AT&T will probably not change their infrastructure anyways, you would NEED a new phone because tmo uses a completley different set of spectrums and methods than AT&T (1 spectrum for uploads, 1 for downloads as opposed to AT&T's 1 spectrum for up and down).
Your current tmobile phone will not get 3g at all.
so essentially you'll be forced to their new plan and you have no say with what you can pretty much get since you know you have to get their $25, 2gb data plan + voice + $20 unlimited text message for sure. the only choice in this matter is whether you're going to downgrade to 200mb (i think not) and which voice plan will you be using.
so yes, they will honor the old contract, but only if you keep your old phone or buy phones at full price from at&t or somewhere else that works with at&t's bands.
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on NPR, they said AT&T promised that it would move 5000 call center jobs back to the US, and NO T-Mobile call center people would loose their jobs. I'm not a fan of AT&T and would prolly switch to Sprint once the merger happens. BUT, wouldn't AT&T have to honor all the current contracts at those rates and services and grandfather them for renewal? So if your T-Mo now, you would be able to stay at your current plan indefinitely? It would just effect new customers..no? Plus i've an upgrade available and have been eyeballing the Ruby So would rather not have to switch carriers.
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I'm sure they would honor it, but having technologies that don't work together would require a lot of people to "upgrade" and sign a new contract with different rates.
As for the jobs, yes they may have the call center jobs, but what about techs, or duplication of retail stores within a certain area. How many of those would be shut down and people lose their jobs? If they really cared about bringing the jobs home and not just cash, they would've done it already.
To me it just looks like AT&T trying to prevent themselves from sinking in the long run. T-Mobile brought out 4G first, Verizon got the iPhone. Other than having the iPhone first, I don't really see much coming out of them. If this doesn't go through, it wouldn't surprise me to see Spring getting a much larger market share in the next 3-7 years.
On a side note, saw this on bloomberg this morning:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...h-new-t-mobile-buyer-real-m-a.html?cmpid=yhoo
T-mobile to lose $12billion if merger is or isn't done, already lost 600,000+ subscribers and income down 55% since 2011.. holy hell!
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On a side note, saw this on bloomberg this morning:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...h-new-t-mobile-buyer-real-m-a.html?cmpid=yhoo
T-mobile to lose $12billion if merger is or isn't done, already lost 600,000+ subscribers and income down 55% since 2011.. holy hell!
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I think it was pretty well known that T-mobile (and Sprint) is in a really tough spot right now. Neither company has been making money or increasing subscribers in a long long time.