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I now have jf adp 1.5, but I want an apps2sd firmware, but I can't decide which one is the best! probably both are the best, I know!
which are the difference between Lucid Rem and the Dude?
JF's firmware comes already supporting Apps2SD. In fact you can do it all right from the terminal on your phone. And where did you d/l from again? Because I know for a fact JF not only states this fact on his blog (the page you probably got it from) but also links to a page of concise and easy to follow instructions. Personally I think you should try all 3 (be sure to READ everything TWICE when using any firmware w/ unionfs).
Also it dosen't hurt to search as I know EVERY freaking bit of this info is w/in the first 2 pages of this forum or on JF's site....RTFM
yes I know JF is compatible to app2sd, but the process to have apps2sd is not so concise and easy: lucid Rem and the Dudes seem to be more easy!
I'm sorry if I asked: I actually red the first 3 pages, not only 2, but it is not so easy to summarize tons of information!
i went through about 8 hours worth of wiping upgrading and testing the builds.
first thing i did was wipe the ext2 partition onthe card using gparted on linux. (i actually removed the partition and repartitioned it to do so. for more stability in case of bad partitioning from before] and then i wiped the phone. before upgrading.
- original JF 1.5 stable. but apps2sd was a bit complicated.
rewipe. repartition.
- thedude's rom is stable, but i found that i could not for the life of me install games. at all. it kept coming up as con.[game].whatever and i couldn't run any of them. [tested with jewellust and tangram pro]. also, the apps2sd is in collaboration with marcusmaximus and while i love the way he did the apps2sd, there wasn't much in instructions on how to make upgrading to thedude's build + marcus' app2sd work perfectly. [i got it to work, but it was w/o it's share of problems]
another rewipe. repartition.
- using Lucidrem's modded 1.5 + apps2sd steps laid out by mailman. simple perfect. 73mb free. apps2sd and stable as hell. i would recommend this.
but most of all, just wipe the ext2 partition for stability reasons. the move from rc33 to 1.5 was not a simple upgrade with apps2sd involved.
Exegence said:
i went through about 8 hours worth of wiping upgrading and testing the builds.
first thing i did was wipe the ext2 partition onthe card using gparted on linux. (i actually removed the partition and repartitioned it to do so. for more stability in case of bad partitioning from before] and then i wiped the phone. before upgrading.
- original JF 1.5 stable. but apps2sd was a bit complicated.
rewipe. repartition.
- thedude's rom is stable, but i found that i could not for the life of me install games. at all. it kept coming up as con.[game].whatever and i couldn't run any of them. [tested with jewellust and tangram pro]. also, the apps2sd is in collaboration with marcusmaximus and while i love the way he did the apps2sd, there wasn't much in instructions on how to make upgrading to thedude's build + marcus' app2sd work perfectly. [i got it to work, but it was w/o it's share of problems]
another rewipe. repartition.
- using Lucidrem's modded 1.5 + apps2sd steps laid out by mailman. simple perfect. 73mb free. apps2sd and stable as hell. i would recommend this.
but most of all, just wipe the ext2 partition for stability reasons. the move from rc33 to 1.5 was not a simple upgrade with apps2sd involved.
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really thanks a lot! it answers to my question!
just a dubt: my G1 is from uk, so originally it had the RC9, and after few change I came up to adp jf 1.5., the sd card (a trascendent 8gb class 6) is brand new, I just partitioned it for making ext2 partition and I didn't write anything on it. Should I wipe it as well? if yes how I should do?
if lucid rem is rteally smooth I'll go for it!
Hey there, I have the same card, if you already partitioned it but havent written anything to EXT2 you should be good. As for Lucidrem I have been using the modded JFRC33 since day one and props to all the other methods and designers of apps to sd but lucid's was the easiest for me since I dont have a home CPU. I was able to use terminal emulator to run the commands and it was extremely quick & simple. If you're unsure or not able to run adb shell on a cpu like me I would definately go with his modded version
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I am using Dude's build (mainly because I had it since .05) and once you update the script in 1.1 your games and protected apps should be fine.
MarcusMaximus states that unionfs method is much more stable an powerfull but I am yet to be convinced in that. It has a HUGE potential (move individual apps back and forth, boot up without sd, etc) and I see why everybody seems to jump on that boat but the question is... do we need it? If you're putting your apps on SD you probably don't want them back on your phone, and, honestly, why do you need to boot your phone without SD? I also think (and this only MY opinion as noone else stated this) that unionfs slows down you system slightly, I could be wrong. At this point, I find it more of the hassle to use it so I'm going back to JF firmware and doing sym-links.
Re-inforcing Exegence's statement, I've used sym-links (Lucid's way) since December with absolutely no problems (app, app-private, dalvik-cache, and caches for market, browser, maps and streetview).
I may see where unionfs goes in few months but at this I'll stick with true and tried.
Good luck to everyone
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Just to add to this mess
I am using Dude's build (mainly because I had it since .05) and once you update the script in 1.1 your games and protected apps should be fine.
MarcusMaximus states that unionfs method is much more stable an powerfull but I am yet to be convinced in that. It has a HUGE potential (move individual apps back and forth, boot up without sd, etc) and I see why everybody seems to jump on that boat but the question is... do we need it? If you're putting your apps on SD you probably don't want them back on your phone, and, honestly, why do you need to boot your phone without SD? I also think (and this only MY opinion as noone else stated this) that unionfs slows down you system slightly, I could be wrong. At this point, I find it more of the hassle to use it so I'm going back to JF firmware and doing sym-links.
Re-inforcing Exegence's statement, I've used sym-links (Lucid's way) since December with absolutely no problems (app, app-private, dalvik-cache, and caches for market, browser, maps and streetview).
I may see where unionfs goes in few months but at this I'll stick with true and tried.
Good luck to everyone
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I do agree that the dudes build is awsome but is it faster at first it was fast but now that i have almost 100 apps on my class 6 sd card I see the phone almost pausing when I oper certian apps. emample it I go to bettercut and try to change an icon and click on use icon pack if i have one or two icon packs its fine but if I have 6 or 8 it has a hard time opening the pop up window with the different icon packs... I have no tryed JF with apps to sd only without apps to sd and it was fine maybe i need to give it a shot and see which one is faster!!!!
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Just to add to this mess
I am using Dude's build (mainly because I had it since .05) and once you update the script in 1.1 your games and protected apps should be fine.
MarcusMaximus states that unionfs method is much more stable an powerfull but I am yet to be convinced in that. It has a HUGE potential (move individual apps back and forth, boot up without sd, etc) and I see why everybody seems to jump on that boat but the question is... do we need it? If you're putting your apps on SD you probably don't want them back on your phone, and, honestly, why do you need to boot your phone without SD? I also think (and this only MY opinion as noone else stated this) that unionfs slows down you system slightly, I could be wrong. At this point, I find it more of the hassle to use it so I'm going back to JF firmware and doing sym-links.
Re-inforcing Exegence's statement, I've used sym-links (Lucid's way) since December with absolutely no problems (app, app-private, dalvik-cache, and caches for market, browser, maps and streetview).
I may see where unionfs goes in few months but at this I'll stick with true and tried.
Good luck to everyone
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A slight oversimplification of my reasoning in using unionfs, so I'll try to explain my motivations here. My primary motivation was to make the process of moving apps to the sd card more stable. Unfortunately, I think many have misunderstood what I mean by that. I don't actually mean that it will have fewer problems, it pretty much has an equal amount from what I've seen.
What I mean by it is that in the case of a problem, the phone will still start. With the symlink method I was seeing constant problems of boot looping for no clear reason. It seemed to work *most* of the time but when it didn't the system crashed... hard. With unionfs it's extremely rare that I get any reports of problems causing the phone to not start, and when I do it's always a corrupted file system on the sd card. By far the most common problems have been certain specific apps not working(at this point togglesettings is the only one I know of that just straight doesn't work with this method... and it actually works, it just force closes on boot) and some apps having to be re-downloaded when the method is applied. There's no more than a handful of more serious problems(such as apps showing up perfectly in their correct locations on the filesystem but not showing up in the launcher... wtf) which I definitely couldn't say for the symlink method. Actually even problems with a corrupted file system are massively down from the symlink method now that mine won't let you move the app caches(responsible for every single freakin' report of stale nfs handles).
Aside from that was the ability to have some apps/storage on the sd card. This is primarily for stability reasons, just in case there's any apps that freak out(or go really slow) from being on the sd card, they can be moved to the internal memory without having to undo the whole process.
At any rate, I'm not mad at anyone(just in case anyone thought I'm upset about anything said about the unionfs method), just explaining my motivations behind making it a reality.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I really don't understand why there's umpteen different threads about moving apps to the SD card, why there are *paid* apps to do this, etc.
Is it really that hard to type:
cp -a /data/app /system/sd
cp -a /data/app-private /system/sd
rm -r /data/app
rm -r /data/app-private
ln -s /system/sd/app /data/app
ln -s /system/sd/app-private /data/app-private
Why do people make this complicated?
As for instability with the symlink method, I haven't experienced any, and I think it's specifically because I did NOT move the dalvik cache, and there are a number of good reasons for leaving it in place regardless of the method used.
ok, now everything is more... clear but complicate
another question (remember I'm a noob): what is the dalvik cache? why I shouldn't move it? is it huge?
anbd the last (for now ) which is the difference between unionsf and symlink methods?
iso67 said:
ok, now everything is more... clear but complicate
another question (remember I'm a noob): what is the dalvik cache? why I shouldn't move it? is it huge?
anbd the last (for now ) which is the difference between unionsf and symlink methods?
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Dalvik is the name of the Java VM on Android. It's what's used to run all of the Java programs.
Dalvik-cache is a directory on the filesystem that stores optimized versions of the dex files that are contained within an application's apk archive (think of the dex file as the executable and the apk as a zip file that contains the dex file and other files).
The reason moving it can cause problems is that if dalvik-cache is not accessible, no Java programs (including system programs) can run.
I have tried every combo of build and SD card mods and must say.........they all work, and I think 90% of problems are user error, I know 9 out of 10 of my mistakes were.
My biggest advice, if you dont understand what is happening you will always make dumb mistakes and be "that guy". Try to understand what you are doing before you do it and it you may be able to understand how to fix your own problem.
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I have tried every combo of build and SD card mods and must say.........they all work, and I think 90% of problems are user error, I know 9 out of 10 of my mistakes were.
My biggest advice, if you dont understand what is happening you will always make dumb mistakes and be "that guy". Try to understand what you are doing before you do it and it you may be able to understand how to fix your own problem.
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While I completely agree with you, I still think that this community needs to agree on whichever way is better and stick with it. This would make it better for developers and users.
I thinks that a pro (hint: MarcusMaximuss) needs to do some bench testing and see if both ways are equal in speed and reliability. If we prove that unionfs method is as fast as symlink onem and stays that way after few weeks of use we can conclude that it is ready for prime time and gear all efforts towards using only that method.
I am in the process of doing a so called "user test". Dude's 1.1a with unionfs apps2sd felt slow to me. At this point I switched to JF1.50 and did symlinks and it's blazing fast!!! Give me couple of days and I'll convert JFs build to unionfs and see if that stays that fast or slows down. I'll do the same thing on Dude's build once 1.2 comes out. But these will be just my impressions, no solid data to back them up.
As always, thank god for Nandroid and good luck to everyone.
I think MarcusMaximus does enough. He doesn't need more work, especially since he's not being paid (only donations).
I think another group interested in advancing these methods should come together and do a test that is more "third-party", so we can have clear and unbiased results.
Having said that, I feel that this method (unionfs) will continue to stabilize as he works on it. Especially since he has commissioned the guidance of the 3 top ROM devs. Very promising in its infancy and just needs to be refined.
cal3thousand said:
I think MarcusMaximus does enough. He doesn't need more work, especially since he's not being paid (only donations).
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Agreed !!!
cal3thousand said:
I think MarcusMaximus does enough. He doesn't need more work, especially since he's not being paid (only donations).
I think another group interested in advancing these methods should come together and do a test that is more "third-party", so we can have clear and unbiased results.
Having said that, I feel that this method (unionfs) will continue to stabilize as he works on it. Especially since he has commissioned the guidance of the 3 top ROM devs. Very promising in its infancy and just needs to be refined.
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Well... I haven't quite gotten Haykuro on board yet.
is it possible that we can root our vogue-android phones or enable superuser functionallity? tia
simple answer is no we cannot. ive asked this and it's not possible, this is not a rom we flash to our vogues. one reason i chose to not use android right now. if you want to root your phone you will have to buy a g1 or hero, etc....
fixxxer2008 said:
simple answer is no we cannot. ive asked this and it's not possible, this is not a rom we flash to our vogues. one reason i chose to not use android right now. if you want to root your phone you will have to buy a g1 or hero, etc....
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well...why isnt it possible? i kno we cannot flash android, cant we just change something in the system.img to give us superuser?
jamezelle said:
well...why isnt it possible? i kno we cannot flash android, cant we just change something in the system.img to give us superuser?
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there are alot of things we cannot do that real android phone users can. maybe when the devs make a rom we can flash it will be possible. trust me ive looked into this and i don't think there's a way to make us superusers all the time or root the phone. what id like to see is for usb mass storage to work so we don't have to use abd all the time.
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there are alot of things we cannot do that real android phone users can. maybe when the devs make a rom we can flash it will be possible. trust me ive looked into this and i don't think there's a way to make us superusers all the time or root the phone. what id like to see is for usb mass storage to work so we don't have to use abd all the time.
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well i guess all we can do is hope lol thanks
fixxxer2008 said:
there are alot of things we cannot do that real android phone users can. maybe when the devs make a rom we can flash it will be possible. trust me ive looked into this and i don't think there's a way to make us superusers all the time or root the phone. what id like to see is for usb mass storage to work so we don't have to use abd all the time.
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Nonsense, adb gives you root access as do all recent ion builds. There are actually things we have that a real android phone can't easily do, e.g. change resolution, use sd for data. What you are probably complaining about is having a read only system partition but even this you could change if you wanted.
what are you trying to achieve by being superuser?
You can become superuser, the problem lies in the fact that current system images uses cramfs for their system.img. If you use DD to create a ext2 .img file and clone the cramfs .img file into it, you can have read write ability. The .img will be a good chunk bigger though.
if someone REALLY wants an ext2 image of one of my builds I'm happy to share. PM me with which build and the reason you want it/what you want to be able to change.
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Nonsense, adb gives you root access as do all recent ion builds. There are actually things we have that a real android phone can't easily do, e.g. change resolution, use sd for data. What you are probably complaining about is having a read only system partition but even this you could change if you wanted.
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thanks for clarifying this
zenulator said:
what are you trying to achieve by being superuser?
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certain apps need the ability
Just to add some clarification to the already fine answers that are here...
The reason we use cramfs right now is because it's read-only. We used ext2 before, but being read-write, there was too much activity on the SD card, and caused some people's cards to fry. Making the system read-only has improved this, and I can't recall anyone's cards frying since that move was made.
AFAIK, a flashable ROM is still being worked on, the idea being not only that this will free our SD cards to be true removable media, but also allow us to go back to a read-write filesystem. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
It has nothing to do with the phone not being "rooted." It's just read-only to save our hardware atm.
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Just to add some clarification to the already fine answers that are here...
The reason we use cramfs right now is because it's read-only. We used ext2 before, but being read-write, there was too much activity on the SD card, and caused some people's cards to fry. Making the system read-only has improved this, and I can't recall anyone's cards frying since that move was made.
AFAIK, a flashable ROM is still being worked on, the idea being not only that this will free our SD cards to be true removable media, but also allow us to go back to a read-write filesystem. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
It has nothing to do with the phone not being "rooted." It's just read-only to save our hardware atm.
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well I'm not sure if we could run anything beyond 1.5 on our flash, as they said the g1 doesnt have enough memory to run the official hero rom. I'm confused about the cheaper HTC qvga android phones that run donut but without touchflo..heres a vid a link
http://www.androidauthority.com/index.php/2009/08/21/htc-click-stars-in-youtube-video/
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id like to see the system images rooted from the start, that way we can run all of the "root only" apps on the market.
devs is this even possible? if not that really sucks as it limits us from doing what others can do with real android based phones.
Hi Folks.
Just been issued heros at work and wish to update the radio rom...How is this accomplished??
regards
Lohtse
Firstly it needs to have a recovery image installed I recommend Amon-Ra v 1.6.2.
Secondly you need to find the radio rom you wish to flash and put it onto the root of you phones sd card.
Thirdly enter the recovery image you have installed by holding power and home button from the phone being off.
Then select the radio.zip to flash.
Everything I have said here can easily be found how to do via searching this forum or its wiki.
also www.theunlockr.com will help with installing the recovery image.
lohtse said:
Hi Folks.
Just been issued heros at work and wish to update the radio rom...How is this accomplished??
regards
Lohtse
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First you will need to install the custom recovery console if you haven't done so already.
Then download your updated radio, put it on your SD, load into the recovery, then apply update. DONE!
If that is too brief,... let me know,...
EDIT... Ooops,... too late.
way to complicated...
Too much to do and can screw up..... At least with winmo and symbian was a few clicks...
hmmmmm think will ditch android.....
really? its not complicated at all when you know what your doing. In fact I can say its a damn sight easier (and safer) than modifying blackberry roms and from what I hear also Windows Mobile.
Lennyuk said:
really? its not complicated at all when you know what your doing. In fact I can say its a damn sight easier (and safer) than modifying blackberry roms and from what I hear also Windows Mobile.
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I came from wimo to android, and as it is said, it's quite hard to catch the thing at the beginning, but after everything seems easier than in wimo !! and more reliable... you have almost no chance to brick your hero after you installed the recovery boot.
radio : boot in recovery then select the good option.
rom : nandroid backup / install whatever rom you want / if you don't like it go for nandroid restore ( all you need is two Sd card.. the good one and the one for the "tests" ).... etc....
But at the beginning i was totally out but with a little time.. reading some posts (here and on the web) ... one day everything was more clear !
Ciao
Fred
lohtse said:
way to complicated...
Too much to do and can screw up..... At least with winmo and symbian was a few clicks...
hmmmmm think will ditch android.....
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Its not hard at all. You can have the recovery installed and the radio updated in 5 minutes.
For step by step instructions follow the "Installing a recovery image" section in BTDAG's guide linked in my signature.
Then further down the same post, in the second yellow box there are instructions on "Updating your Radio".
Guys, the OP said he was issued the Hero at work, then two hours later said he was going to ditch Android... so what then, he's quitting his job? Troll alert. Don't feed the troll.
As to troll comment(yes offence has been caused)....hmmmmm.... Am going back to the trusty Kaiser... WE DON'T HAVE TO USE THE HERO.... We live in free(ish) world.. And the Phones are issued as an update to our old duty phones... Also I'm not the only one who uses them that feels the same.
Now to updating being easy. Gulp I must be eeer dum!!! Du hu Du HU must be the TROLL in me!
I have tried to install recovery image thing and well just cant get it to work... And now I find I have to root the hero too so things will install to sd card!!!! WTF this should all be standard like winmo and symbian etc...
I have been using smart phones since the Ericsson r380 and so far Android has failed to impress to the degree I am beginning to hate it....
Am far to used to having simply andfull access to everything..
Android is a HUGE learning curve that I suspect I may not have the patience for..
regards The TROLL sorry I mean Lohtse
Now I have finally managed to get recovery image on and updated the radio...Being called a troll did it !!!!!!.....LOL
My final questions are this how do I root so I can install to sd card(just point me in the right direction) And do I have to unlock Phone to any network to have custom roms on..
regards
TROLL
lohtse said:
Now I have finally managed to get recovery image on and updated the radio...Being called a troll did it !!!!!!.....LOL
My final questions are this how do I root so I can install to sd card(just point me in the right direction) And do I have to unlock Phone to any network to have custom roms on..
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TROLL
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Wahey!!!! Good job man.
Ok,... So now you have the recovery image all you need to do is pick a custom ROM. Personally, I highly recommend MCR3.2 (link in signature at botom). It is an Android 1.5 ROM but is stable and fast, what more could you want for a work phone.This ROM is rooted and has apps2SD enabled. Once you have installed the ROM you will need to remember to create an ext2 partition on the SD card (easily done through the recovery). Then you are set to go!!!!
lohtse said:
Now I have finally managed to get recovery image on and updated the radio...Being called a troll did it !!!!!!.....LOL TROLL
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You're welcome And what ddotpatel said. MCR is fast & clean. By installing a custom recovery you've already done the only tricky bit.
Yep installed 3.2 from modocca. seems nice but how do you know if the apps are installing to sdcard???? I'm not sure they are lol..
lohtse said:
Yep installed 3.2 from modocca. seems nice but how do you know if the apps are installing to sdcard???? I'm not sure they are lol..
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You need to create an ext2 partition on your SD card through the recovery again. I cant remember the exact wording but something like "create ext2 + fat" or something along those lines.
As far as I know, once that has been done all apps will install to SD.
Someone with more knowhow than me correct me if I am wrong?... CAULI?,... LENNY?
Can someone who knows please answer this question:
Are you 100% sure that flashing the Radio ROM does not affect the phone RF Calibration ?
Thanks!
ddotpatel said:
You need to create an ext2 partition on your SD card through the recovery again. I cant remember the exact wording but something like "create ext2 + fat" or something along those lines.
As far as I know, once that has been done all apps will install to SD.
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Yup, certainly as far as MCR is concerned. On the first reboot it will move all files from /data/app to /system/sd/app (& similarly for app-private) Nb /sysytem/sd is the mount point for the ext2 partition. All it does is move the files over & then replaces the /data/app (& app-private) directory with a symlink to the new location. That way future installs, updates etc all automatically go to the new location.
You can always check yourself with a terminal emulator & the command ls -l, or using a file manager like Root Explorer, if you're curious. Some people think it's not working because they see available space in internal flash drop as apps are installed, but that's because app data & the dalvik cache remain on internal flash, principally aiui for reasons of access speed. The saving you make just from shifting the apks to sd is more than enough for most people it seems.
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Yup, certainly as far as MCR is concerned. On the first reboot it will move all files from /data/app to /system/sd/app (& similarly for app-private) Nb /sysytem/sd is the mount point for the ext2 partition.
All it does is move the files over & then replaces the /data/app (& app-private) directory with a symlink to the new location. That way future installs, updates etc all automatically go to the new location.
You can always check yourself with a terminal emulator & the command ls -l, or using a file manager like Root Explorer.
Some people think it's not working because they see available space in internal flash drop as apps are installed, but that's because app data & the dalvik cache remain on internal flash, principally aiui for reasons of access speed.
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hmmmm I certainly noticed a drop in available memory on the phone to the degree of only having 54 megs free...
SebHTCHero said:
Are you 100% sure that flashing the Radio ROM does not affect the phone RF Calibration ?
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what is rf calibration?
What is radio rom used for by phone?
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what is rf calibration?
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A set of tables usually stored in NVRAM that takes into account the slight differences in the components used to build your phone. Every single phone is calibrated during manufacturing.
If the calibration is erased, it will look like it works but you can have all sort of problems from poor battery life to random drop from the network or poor sensibility (not to mention the higher than expected radio levels you could be emitting right next to your brain )
This is a quick walkthrough of how to apply my variant of "Mimicans speedfix" using my kernels on the Captivate. The speedfix essentially consists of making an ext3 or ext4 filesystem on an sdcard, and using that as our /data directory. This method is different from the original method in many of the details, but the underlying basis is that the stock /data partition is slow as molasses so we replace it.
This method should be pretty safe. As you will notice we dont copy around stuff and create a symlink mess. We just mount a partition over the current one. Yes we still mount the old one as well, even though it wont be used unless you take your card out. If that happens the phone will mount your old /data (that will probably be very out of date at the time) but itll get you up and running right away.
Right now there are two kernels, these mount the default partition, ext3 or ext4 on the second sdcard partition, the two options are:
Stock clock speed and Overclocked.
The overclocked kernel will clock from 100 to 800 Mhz as stock, then skippinig 1Ghz going to 1.2 Ghz.
Also, before we begin make sure you have this version of Odin. I used Samsung windows drivers that I found here.
You'll also want to read this thread about download mode. here you'll learn that you will have to try real hard to actually brick these phones, and even then it may still boot.
Ofcourse you also want to have root on your captivate.
You'll also need the android sdk.
If you are on Windows or Mac you will need some software to partition and format the sdcard, this live cd will work. You could also just get an ubuntu live cd or similar.
So, now we have the necessary tools and our new kernels and can get started.
Partition the disk:
There were reports from the modaco forums when mimocan first released his fix that ext3/4 partitions larger than 2gb were a problem, so keep your 2nd partition 2gb or smaller.
Use your favorite partitioning sofware to create 2 partitions on your sdcard. the first one will be formated FAT32 (vfat), and the second one ext3 or ext4. Make sure both are 'primary partitions'. You may want to make the second partition have partition type 83 (linux native).
Copy data files to sdcard:
If you are coming from stock, (eg without an existing a2sd /data partition on your sdcard) boot the phone without your formatted card and hotplug it before starting this process.
Using the sdk you need to connect the phone and use 'adb shell' to get a prompt on the phone.
Then follow these steps:
Code:
$
$ su -
# mkdir /sdcard/mnt
# mount -t ext4 /dev/block/mmcblk1p2 /sdcard/mnt
# busybox cp -a /data/* /sdcard/mnt
# umount /sdcard/mnt
# exit
$ exit
Flashing the kernel
1) Disconnect USB cable.
2) Open up odin.
3) Put your phone into download mode.
4) Connect USB cable, wait a second Odin should detect your phone, if not fiddle about with your drivers and reboot windows or something. This can be a real PITA.
5) In Odin load the kernel tarfile as "CSC"
6) Click "Start" in Odin, flashing should only take a few seconds.
You may run into issues here randomly and have a phone with the phone-!-computer image (I did!). Just go read up on the 'download mode' thread linked above it tells you how to proceed.
7) When you have booted your new kernel and /data partition you may have some issues with a few widgets/apps. Reinstalling or waiting/fiddeling with them seems to solve the issue. Maps was slow to open the first time after a new /data partition was mounted for me a few times, but subsequent launches were snappy.
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Didn't work for me. I partitioned my external SD card, flashed the speedup2 kernel, then ran the commands you posted, replacing 'ext3' with 'ext4'. My quadrant score is still in the low 900's.
Can you explain exactly what those commands do? The mimocan fix makes a lot more sense to me. Why did you decide to take a different approach?
Thanks for your help and effort!
I get 1716 scores in quadrant, but with real world running tests Touchdown and Dolphin HD browser still lag like holy hell.
I originally had the "method 2" hack (moving apps to the NAND) and that worked wonders, especially with these apps.
Can anyone test these two applications and see if there is lag for you?
Dolphin - try opening a new tab, closing it, and goto a large page and scroll with the volume buttons - it should all be smooth and quick
Touchdown - It should be very quick going between emails, I get a 5+ second delay before showing the email
Also in Quadrant, even though I get 1700 scores, do you guys get stuck at I/O Database writes for a good 3+ minutes?
The captivate speedup kernel link is dead. Can soneone please post a mirror? Thanks
Worked great for me using ext4 partition/kernel. It brought my quadrant to 1817! Thats with a poor little 4gig, class 2 micro sd card. Im also running the i9000 JM2 firmware with Samset 1.6.
Thank you for all your hard work!!!! My phone is now complete (for now lol).
andy2na said:
I get 1716 scores in quadrant, but with real world running tests Touchdown and Dolphin HD browser still lag like holy hell.
I originally had the "method 2" hack (moving apps to the NAND) and that worked wonders, especially with these apps.
Can anyone test these two applications and see if there is lag for you?
Dolphin - try opening a new tab, closing it, and goto a large page and scroll with the volume buttons - it should all be smooth and quick
Touchdown - It should be very quick going between emails, I get a 5+ second delay before showing the email
Also in Quadrant, even though I get 1700 scores, do you guys get stuck at I/O Database writes for a good 3+ minutes?
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Might be tome for you to pick up a new SD card. I have used both fix's and find this fix to be way better. I get no lag in Dolphin HD.
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Might be tome for you to pick up a new SD card. I have used both fix's and find this fix to be way better. I get no lag in Dolphin HD.
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Its a brand new Kingston 8gb class 4 card, havent used it before applying this hack
Postal76 said:
Didn't work for me. I partitioned my external SD card, flashed the speedup2 kernel, then ran the commands you posted, replacing 'ext3' with 'ext4'. My quadrant score is still in the low 900's.
Can you explain exactly what those commands do? The mimocan fix makes a lot more sense to me. Why did you decide to take a different approach?
Thanks for your help and effort!
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All you do is copy the files from your original /data partition onto the root of your ext{3|4} partition on the sdcard. Then that is mounted on reboot ontop of /data so you can use the new data partition from your card.
I feel this is a MUCH cleaner method than the original Mimocan fix, that copis a full copy of data into the root of the device (unnecessary backup since you still have your original /data partition as well), then it mounts your sdcard on /disk and symlinks that to /data.
I just don't see the need for the symlinks and stuff and honestly I thought this was a simpler method, no symlinks or anything.
If you arent seeing any speedups I'm betting something didn't go right, you are probably still running of the old /data partition. Are you sure you are running the speedup2 kernel and not the ext4 only kernel?
spyz88 said:
The captivate speedup kernel link is dead. Can soneone please post a mirror? Thanks
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It seems to work from here...
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Might be tome for you to pick up a new SD card. I have used both fix's and find this fix to be way better. I get no lag in Dolphin HD.
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Except the Quadrant scores do you notice any real speed boost?
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Also in Quadrant, even though I get 1700 scores, do you guys get stuck at I/O Database writes for a good 3+ minutes?
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yeah database I/O takes forever still.
Like I said in the other thread, try to reinstall the apps, Dolphin is very very fast here (thanks for getting me a new browser btw.)
I'm still a complete failure and now i get stuck at the galaxy s boot screen
Nuke, after doing the ext4 only method, I only get quadrant scores of 900.
Am I doing something wrong? I go through all the steps fine and everything seems like it went well but it seems like I'm doing something wrong down the line.
one thing I do notice is that I have A LOT MORE AVAILABLE MEMORY in advanced task killer. I use to only have 100 now I have 180MB.
Is it crucial to have to flash the Speedfix2?
after i put in
busybox cp -a /data/*
nothing happens it just sits there
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after i put in
busybox cp -a /data/*
nothing happens it just sits there
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that part took like 15 min for me since I have a lot of application and app data
but there is no trailing dot it just repeats what i typed and then leaves a blank space
same thing it just repeats it
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but there is no trailing dot it just repeats what i typed and then leaves a blank space
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What do you mean by "there is no trailing dot" ? Did you type it in? You need to include the trailing dot in your command; based on what you posted it appears you did not do that.
WOW! Okay... So now I'm getting 1756...
You just have to leave Quadrant on for like 15 minutes sometimes! This is very strange!
Notice the period after the asterisk. In the old forum, someone had a problem with that.
I did this fix last night after countless times of my messing up and figuring out how to partition with my phone still being able to read the card, flash problems with Odin, etc etc. I'm using an 8gb Classic 6 and just got an 1805 in Quadrant, and the phone is incredibly, noticeably faster. Did have some weird app problems when it was first applied, but some reinstalls fixed it. Thanks again Nuka!
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The Motorola Flipout is fairly easy to root, at least now. Universal Androot (get it here) works.
I am thinking about moving apps to the sd card. However, since I haven't reflashed the phone, and I don't have a ROM for it, I'd like to do it without reflashing. Is that possible?
If I partition an SD card correctly (ext3), copy all of /data onto that partition, and then mount that partition over /data, will that work? Or do I have to mount the card before the phone boots?
Or is it better to just copy /data/data, and mount the partition over /data/data?
It seems to me that mounting over a directory, as opposed to creating a link is least invasive, because on reboot the phone is as it was before. Is this right?
If I have to mount the sdcard before the phone boots, can I just edit one of the init scripts, or is that more complicated? I read about editing init.rc and repacking boot.img
Oh, HOWTO unpack edit and repack boot images seems to give good instructions. On the Flipout, boot is mtd4, and recovery is mtd5.
If I only modify boot, I can't brick my phone too badly? Since I haven't changed recovery, I should be able to recover (?). Can I create an update.zip that flashes the old boot.img and undoes my changes in case something goes wrong?
I just got the flipout from rogers.. Is there anyplace that has a development forum for it? And does it have the efuse ? If it does, is it possible to do what was done with the droid X to it?
How did go so far ghostwheel? I'm eager to hear what else you have figured out.
You use App2Card.apk at below for app2sd without flash:
http://www.tinhte.vn/f280/app2card-2-4-4-20-9-cai-dat-ung-dung-len-nho-phan-vung-456586/
Requires: just a rooted phone
Steps:
- install app
- click Menu / Partition button then use slide bars to create ext2 for your sd card if it hasn't been splited yet
- click Install App2card button
- phone will be rebooted and you just taste app on sd after then
Note: above page has further instruction but it is vietnamese, you must use google translate to get it. This app runs perfectly on my Milestone.
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ghostwheel said:
The Motorola Flipout is fairly easy to root, at least now. Universal Androot (get it here) works.
I am thinking about moving apps to the sd card. However, since I haven't reflashed the phone, and I don't have a ROM for it, I'd like to do it without reflashing. Is that possible?
If I partition an SD card correctly (ext3), copy all of /data onto that partition, and then mount that partition over /data, will that work? Or do I have to mount the card before the phone boots?
Or is it better to just copy /data/data, and mount the partition over /data/data?
It seems to me that mounting over a directory, as opposed to creating a link is least invasive, because on reboot the phone is as it was before. Is this right?
If I have to mount the sdcard before the phone boots, can I just edit one of the init scripts, or is that more complicated? I read about editing init.rc and repacking boot.img
Oh, HOWTO unpack edit and repack boot images seems to give good instructions. On the Flipout, boot is mtd4, and recovery is mtd5.
If I only modify boot, I can't brick my phone too badly? Since I haven't changed recovery, I should be able to recover (?). Can I create an update.zip that flashes the old boot.img and undoes my changes in case something goes wrong?
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Hi,
I'd really like to help with that (I'm a confirm dev. for Cliq and CliqXT phones).
Hopefully we can do great things like we did for Cliq and CLiqXT (upgrade to 2.1!). (check my work at http://bit.ly/adlxmod).
First thing would be to generate a system dump (a dump of all the files in the /system partition). Hopefully we then could generate a custom recovery to flash on the phone, and then custom roms, either base on the dump you provide or other roms from other files. Contact me on twitter @adumont (say it's for Flipout) and I'll guide you to generate the dump!
Looking forward to do great things for that litle phone!
I'm in touch with adlxdum to give him my dump but I think we should start a separated thread like "Custom rom, modding (work in progress)" so that we can follow adlxdum work.
And...thx in advance ;-)
flusshd said:
You use App2Card.apk at below for app2sd without flash:
http://www.tinhte.vn/f280/app2card-2-4-4-20-9-cai-dat-ung-dung-len-nho-phan-vung-456586/
Requires: just a rooted phone
Steps:
- install app
- click Menu / Partition button then use slide bars to create ext2 for your sd card if it hasn't been splited yet
- click Install App2card button
- phone will be rebooted and you just taste app on sd after then
Note: above page has further instruction but it is vietnamese, you must use google translate to get it. This app runs perfectly on my Milestone.
Sent from my Milestone using XDA App
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Worked!
I couldn't repartition the SD card with the program, so I had to partition it myself. But once that was done, thing seem to work well. A bit slower...
I'm not totally sure how to use the app. Internal seems to still be full, but ext2 on the SD is quite empty. I can't seem to be able to tell if an app is installed to internal or external.
I have to try and install some more apps to see if I run out of memory.
Thanks!!
I'm guessing the flipout and charm are almost identical phones?
My wife has a charm and i'm one of those "i'm not a developer, but I'd like to help" guys.
MrShides said:
I'm guessing the flipout and charm are almost identical phones?
My wife has a charm and i'm one of those "i'm not a developer, but I'd like to help" guys.
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Yes, I think they are very similar.
One thing that I'm interested in is the accelerometer. On the Flipout, most apps that use it are twisted - for example wikitude, and many games (labyrinth lite works!) I wonder if things work on the charm...
the charm has the same issue.
MrShides said:
the charm has the same issue.
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thanks! Too bad....
Hi ghostwheel
I've tried installing app2card, but I'm having some problems. I got the new version 2.7.2.
As you said, the partition doesnt work. For me it says sd card is full but its empty...
How did you manually partition it?
I've found some tutorials but it was for other phones and they required a custom rom...
I partitioned the card using a linux computer, with the program fdisk.
I allocated 2GB to a partition of type ext2. But, I think there are many alternatives for partitioning a disk, see this page:
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f9/how-to-create-ext2-partition-14232/
Wow great link! Many different options! Will try this as soon as I get a micro sd card adapter. Thanks!
You mentioned in your old post that you were having problems using app2card, That you weren't sure if it was working. Have you been able to use it since? Is it working well? and if not have you found an alternative?
I just started using this phone and I'm almost running out of memory... this is quite annoying!
longlife_01 said:
You mentioned in your old post that you were having problems using app2card, That you weren't sure if it was working. Have you been able to use it since? Is it working well? and if not have you found an alternative?
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Yes, I was having problems. Mainly when restarting the phone, sometimes oodles of apps don't work, including launcher pro, and app2card. You have to remember that when the phone reboots and seems to have FC problems, don't chose any home screen as the default, in case it crashes, and keep a spare app2card to reinstall on the sdcard. I think "severe" problems I had only twice, or so.
So, I have almost no problems. Most of the time it works really well. So well, in fact, that I'm a bit afraid to upgrade it, in case something breaks. And, I totally forgot what it is like to have to delete apps to install another one.
I have more of the opposite problem - finding an app among all those installed takes a realllly long time if you forgot its name. Apps organizer helps.
hello, i am new and i have flipout to test in poland orange network, i just root him using 1st post in this forum, great job! thanks
OK, I am having some problems with the current version of app2card. As I said, sometimes when I turn the device off and back on, app2card fails, and many apps give a FC which starting. Then one needs to fix the apps from app2card. It seems that once that is done, some apps lose some of their data. So, for example, droidwall (excellent program!!), lost all firewall data. I'll have to check if newer versions of app2card don't have this problem. It doesn't happen very often.
Instructions to root Flipout
Hi - I'd consider myself a newbie regarding rooting. I just got the AT&T Flipout - I really like the form factor. I just tried running the Universal Androot from my phone but got the security warning message about only being able to install from trusted sources.
Can someone point me in the right direction please?
Many thanks!
it says that with a lot of apps installed like that, including gmote that I downloaded from the developers site. Just look at what you're downloading like you would on any machine
go to settings > Application and tick on unknown sources to be able to install it.