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I hate Sense UI

Is there anyone else out there who can't wait to root this phone and get Sense off of it?

mrono said:
Is there anyone else out there who can't wait to root this phone and get Sense off of it?
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I went from liking it, to hating it, now I'm back to liking it agian, but that's just me.
Simple solution, disable it, if you can't disable it, get a homescreen replacement from the market. As for the other apps like the keyboards and messenger apps and stuff there's alternatives for those as well.
Other than modifying or adding internal background stuff (editing the kernel or low level services) I don't see any reason why you really need root anymore. At least not for my needs anyway.
I am a big fan of AOSP but that seems like it's the only advantage in my eyes to having root nowadays, everything else can be done with crafty market apps.
Talk to me agian after the next upgrade to android is all the rage, you will see me with my foot in my mouth for sure =P

I can see myself turning off many of the gizmos and widgets in that Sense thing. Too much junk running.

tempe38 said:
I can see myself turning off many of the gizmos and widgets in that Sense thing. Too much junk running.
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I take it that you haven't played with the hero or anything like that?
go to a sprint store and try it out, finding ways to disable it is much easier than trying to add it in if you want it. Those that don't have it pre-installed want it, those that do have it want it gone.
The problem most people hated it was because it slowed down the hero, it runs at half the speed and half the ram approximately of the evo, it really shouldn't be a problem and it's just eye candy, and the benefits of having it outweigh the problem of it being on there by default. It's mainly just a grass is greener thing mostly.
The widgets can be easily removed from the home screen by a simple one time hold+drag.

I'm not the only one in these parts with an HD2, but I assure you WinMo 6.5(x) runs sense fast and smooth. If Android is as fast as I believe, sense will not be a deal breaker....or as previously stated, just turn it off.

No idea what you hate about it. What do you all think is running in the background that you're all so concerned about? The widgets? It's not like stock Android doesn't have them either.

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I love Sense UI ...

I like it. It makes SENSE
I love how some quantify something they haven't experienced on the actual phone itself yet.
It's like saying I hate playing a 3D game that runs on a 2D graphics card with a slow experience and lag. WELL DUH!

I have the new sense ui on my nexus one and its 10x faster then wm version.

johnsongrantr said:
The widgets can be easily removed from the home screen by a simple one time hold+drag.
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Yeah, that's what I meant.

audscott said:
I'm not the only one in these parts with an HD2, but I assure you WinMo 6.5(x) runs sense fast and smooth. If Android is as fast as I believe, sense will not be a deal breaker....or as previously stated, just turn it off.
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I'm with you on this... I too have an HD2 and it runs Sence as smooth as silk.
My Brother has the Desire and it too with Sence slides along very nicely.

I'm not saying I hate sense UI because when i've used it it ran slow or because i couldn't figure it out. I don't like it because of how it's layed out, the configuration of it does not fit me. If I can change it or disable it, I will be a happy person.

Personally I couldn't care less. Sense or no Sense. I think it looks nice and all but I'm a hacker bred from the Cyanogen camp. I love speed and Sense just slows things down. I am sure on a 1Ghz device with 512MB RAM it should run without any lag. I'm still an AOSP fan however and hope we don't run into the kernel issues with this device as we are with the Hero. On the Hero we are still running .27 or .29 for those who want the canmera. I feel ancient!

I have the hero with Android 2.1 ROM
It has weaker hardware.. less memory.. slower CPU
I have sense and live wallpaper running at the same time
It is perfect.. smooth... fast.. beautiful.. everything works.
I can not imagine the evo having any issues with sense or any software!
I love sense and all it gives me
Sent from my HERO200 using Tapatalk

Dan330 said:
I have the hero with Android 2.1 ROM
It has weaker hardware.. less memory.. slower CPU
I have sense and live wallpaper running at the same time
It is perfect.. smooth... fast.. beautiful.. everything works.
I can not imagine the evo having any issues with sense or any software!
I love sense and all it gives me
Sent from my HERO200 using Tapatalk
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But stock 1.5 isn't exactly smooth, even the 2.1 isn't quite buttery smooth, the custom roms are, but I don't think with that much power behind it that it will be a problem, and just think what will happen when xda gets their hands on it

chuckhriczko said:
Personally I couldn't care less. Sense or no Sense. I think it looks nice and all but I'm a hacker bred from the Cyanogen camp. I love speed and Sense just slows things down. I am sure on a 1Ghz device with 512MB RAM it should run without any lag. I'm still an AOSP fan however and hope we don't run into the kernel issues with this device as we are with the Hero. On the Hero we are still running .27 or .29 for those who want the canmera. I feel ancient!
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hope the whole camp jump's on this one i prefer aosp over senseless anyday of the week i install the widgets i want on my device don't need htc or sprint's bloated ****gets taking up valuable memory space

The reason sense slows things down is because they have been stuffing it on two year old devices with barely an acceptable amount of storage and ram. The new devices from the evo and incredible don't see these issues because the extra ten megs is nothing where on the regular hero makes a big difference as you start opening up more and more ****.
It will be a non issue on the evo. If you prefer asop all the more power to you I also like it but the largest complaints against sense are going to be obsolete soon enough now that devices actually have more horse power and memory.

i looooovvvee sense ui..had it on my g1, htc magic, hero, nexus one, and soon to be evo 4g

AOSP
Lets hope one of the first custom roms is for AOSP. I am running an AOSP build on my hero and I LOVE it!

I'm looking forward to it. I love it on my buddies hero. Just makes android that much better.

[Q] Getting an Aria soon, do you like your Aria?

I am being issued an Aria by ATT to replace my Alltel Hero.
How do you all like your Aria? Does it run smooth with stock ROM and Sense?
My Hero was kinda sluggish and I ended up putting Cyanogenmod on it. I am looking forward to going back to Sense with my new Aria.

Love it!!!!!!!
Sent from my HTC Liberty using XDA App

I love my Aria. I've been on the stock ROM since day one and I've updated my unit to the stock Froyo ROM. I have to say its pretty slick and runs quite smooth for the most part. If you're using it primarily for work, I don't think it'll be much to complain about. I do have to note at this point, my phone isn't an AT&T phone so I don't have all that bloatware
I hope you enjoy your Aria as much as I do mine.

I had no problem with the stock htc sense it worked perfectly and was very fast imo. I just wanted to mess around with the phone so i rooted and flashed it. But I have no problem with the stock

I love mine. I recommend rooting it and flashing a custom ROM - Liberated Aria if you like the stock Sense UI, CyanogenMod if you want to have more of a standard Android experience - to take full advantage of the phone.But either way, stock or modified, the thing is a joy to own and use.

Haven't had this phone for very long, but I already love it.
Comparing this to the iPhone and Samsung Captivate, I would choose this simply for its size.
Just put on Liberated Froyo.
It was quite simple to do, and now I don't have att's **** stuck on it, and I can actually install apps.
I would highly recommend this phone, that is, if you don't want to wait for the new ones that should be coming out soon.

Solid construction and relaiable - I never turn mine off. I use it when working out - sometimes intensly (Triat training). It has taken some spills and keeps on rollin!
Definately use one of the ROMs found on these forums - I choose Liberated Froyo.
I would also recommend a CPU tuner as some apps are a little slow & jittery on the Aria (ie Angry Birds) - I use Overclock Widget to control the CPU and it has solved all the jittery apps.

a little small but it has its advantages for being its size, to be honest i get a little tired of typing messages on this screen.
stock rom runs great, att bloatware sucks, rooting it is a piece of cake for this phone though and attn's liberated froyo is even more awesome than stock.
overall no problems, used it for about 7 months now, just a little annoyed at the small screen.

This phone is amazing. I'm extremely happy with it. And it even has gingerbread thanks to the guys over at cyanogenmod.

It's great to be able to run Froyo-only apps on the roms here...otherwise the stock one is competent.

Excellent phone. Like everyone else has said, it's great stock, or rooted. Very smooth. I choose to run CM7 nightly's, overclocked to 864mhz with profiles. Just like butter!

Thanks guys, I am so looking forward getting my Aria. It sounds like a pretty decent upgrade over the CDMA Hero.
This Liberated Froyo ROM, does it have a webpage with all the features it has?
And you can overclock these things to 864mhz? My Hero is slightly overclocked, like 528 to 620 something with CM6 ROM.

Yes you CAN oc it up to 864. But nothing above 806 is recommended. I usually keep my maximum at 767 but it runs just fine at the stock speed of 600.

dmwagner said:
Thanks guys, I am so looking forward getting my Aria. It sounds like a pretty decent upgrade over the CDMA Hero.
This Liberated Froyo ROM, does it have a webpage with all the features it has?
And you can overclock these things to 864mhz? My Hero is slightly overclocked, like 528 to 620 something with CM6 ROM.
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The liberated froyo from is HTC Sense Froyo (2.2) without the bloatware.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=819715

Thanks for all the replies guys, you got me set on the right track once I get the phone.

dmwagner said:
Thanks for all the replies guys, you got me set on the right track once I get the phone.
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You won't be disappointed.
Sent from my cm7 Aria using XDA App

great little phone, not the most powerful, but for its size, it packs everything you need, and plenty speedy. especially with the cm and liberated roms which makes the experience even better.

Love it. No lock ups Yet, ive flashed a few different custom roms, and i do like liberty one the best.
so far.
but yes good phone.

It's an amazing phone. If you have a Hero, it's the same size, so you won't notice much of a difference. Everyone says it's not very powerful, well, it's a beast on it's own right, especially if you overclock it to 806mHz (I'd recommend that, any more is too fast and drains life of the processor), and it's a piece of cake to modify! CM7 is the best, CM6.1.1 is good as well. If you like Sense, I'd recommend Liberated Eclair, and not Liberated Froyo. Liberated Froyo's battery will last you eight hours if lucky.
The only issues I have are the fact it's quite easy to chip/shatter the glass and the battery life is weak unless you use CM, imo.

tribestros said:
It's an amazing phone. If you have a Hero, it's the same size, so you won't notice much of a difference. Everyone says it's not very powerful, well, it's a beast on it's own right, especially if you overclock it to 806mHz (I'd recommend that, any more is too fast and drains life of the processor), and it's a piece of cake to modify! CM7 is the best, CM6.1.1 is good as well. If you like Sense, I'd recommend Liberated Eclair, and not Liberated Froyo. Liberated Froyo's battery will last you eight hours if lucky.
The only issues I have are the fact it's quite easy to chip/shatter the glass and the battery life is weak unless you use CM, imo.
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Notice your mix of applications and usage pattern will affect battery life. I am running Liberated FR008 with the HTC HK kernel and I can easily get over 20 hours of usage out of a charge. I have 3 emails accounts with background sync always on; 1 using MS Exchange, one using Hotmail and the third is my Gmail account. I always run with wifi turned on since I have access points at both home and work and I also have BT turned on.

New to droid X and Wanna root....HELP!

I have had probably 8-12 Android handsets. I recently switched to an iPhone from my EVO and I hated my iPhone. I wanted to go with something pretty similar to my EVO so I checked out the screen, specs, user reviews, etc. The Droid X sounded great, but since having it, it locks up, freezes, and Lags like a G1. This NOTHING like my EVO and is disappointing to say the least.
I'm really hoping that a custom ROM can speed up the interface and possibly help with the battery life. Any recommendations? I don't want to theme, or skin...no interest in changing the bootlogo, etc... I just want a nice and FAST phone.
I use a lot of apps...I DON'T let any apps refresh automatically though. I also use Launcher Pro. Thanks in advance.
(Please don't tell me to read the sticky. I have. I need some real life experienced reviews....maybe people who have had an EVO or who understand what I want. Thanks)

system6 said:
I have had probably 8-12 Android handsets. I recently switched to an iPhone from my EVO and I hated my iPhone. I wanted to go with something pretty similar to my EVO so I checked out the screen, specs, user reviews, etc. The Droid X sounded great, but since having it, it locks up, freezes, and Lags like a G1. This NOTHING like my EVO and is disappointing to say the least.
I'm really hoping that a custom ROM can speed up the interface and possibly help with the battery life. Any recommendations? I don't want to theme, or skin...no interest in changing the bootlogo, etc... I just want a nice and FAST phone.
I use a lot of apps...I DON'T let any apps refresh automatically though. I also use Launcher Pro. Thanks in advance.
(Please don't tell me to read the sticky. I have. I need some real life experienced reviews....maybe people who have had an EVO or who understand what I want. Thanks)
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LMFAO, i wrote the sticky, which has instructions on how to root and while I havent had the time to update everything I did cover some ROMs which include what you have asked for, so not quite sure what else you could be looking for.... But if you really want an explanation:
Root the phone using z4root and then try out a ROM like Rubix Focused 2.0.1. Drod2169 built the ROM and I am currently using it. The interface is very quick and responsive. He has added in multiple governor settings for overclock which include a conservative governor to allow for better battery life. You can use apps like Droid Overclock (jrummy16) and setCPU to change these governor settings as well. Rubix does very well when overclocked if that is something you are interested in.
If you are looking for a ROM that still has some Blur components in it, then try out Apex 1.4.1 or Rubix 2.0 Blurry. Both are very responsive and have some of the blur that certain people out there are looking for. Last but not least, it seems a great majority of people like Liberty 1.5. I used the ROM for quite some time, and it is very responsive, but a lot of people seem to have issues with lag or reboots. I never had this issue, so I can't quite speak to that issue...
ROM's are really more of a matter of personal choice. Try out a few and see what you like.
As far as a comparison to the EVO... my roommate has one, and 2 of my other best friends have one. I have done MULTIPLE benchmarking tools on their phones to compare against my X (on multiple ROMs). None of their tests have beat mine... In my opinion, the only differences between the EVO and the X is this:
1) Evo has unlocked Bootloader to allow custom kernels so you can run ROMS like CynanogenMod (but given time, CVPCS is compiling CM for the X)
2) Evo has front facing camera for those who can't wait to talk to people via a webcam.
3) Evo has a slightly quicker GPU (graphics processing unit) than the X, but winds up limited to 30FPS for the most part. Some of the benchmarks I have seen on the X jump it up to 62FPS on tests I have run.
4) Evo runs sense from HTC. If you want a "Sense" feel... some have made themes that look just like Sense....but you said you don't want a theme.
That's about it...

SysAdmin-X said:
LMFAO, i wrote the sticky, which has instructions on how to root and while I havent had the time to update everything I did cover some ROMs which include what you have asked for, so not quite sure what else you could be looking for.... But if you really want an explanation:
Root the phone using z4root and then try out a ROM like Rubix Focused 2.0.1. Drod2169 built the ROM and I am currently using it. The interface is very quick and responsive. He has added in multiple governor settings for overclock which include a conservative governor to allow for better battery life. You can use apps like Droid Overclock (jrummy16) and setCPU to change these governor settings as well. Rubix does very well when overclocked if that is something you are interested in.
If you are looking for a ROM that still has some Blur components in it, then try out Apex 1.4.1 or Rubix 2.0 Blurry. Both are very responsive and have some of the blur that certain people out there are looking for. Last but not least, it seems a great majority of people like Liberty 1.5. I used the ROM for quite some time, and it is very responsive, but a lot of people seem to have issues with lag or reboots. I never had this issue, so I can't quite speak to that issue...
ROM's are really more of a matter of personal choice. Try out a few and see what you like.
As far as a comparison to the EVO... my roommate has one, and 2 of my other best friends have one. I have done MULTIPLE benchmarking tools on their phones to compare against my X (on multiple ROMs). None of their tests have beat mine... In my opinion, the only differences between the EVO and the X is this:
1) Evo has unlocked Bootloader to allow custom kernels so you can run ROMS like CynanogenMod (but given time, CVPCS is compiling CM for the X)
2) Evo has front facing camera for those who can't wait to talk to people via a webcam.
3) Evo has a slightly quicker GPU (graphics processing unit) than the X, but winds up limited to 30FPS for the most part. Some of the benchmarks I have seen on the X jump it up to 62FPS on tests I have run.
4) Evo runs sense from HTC. If you want a "Sense" feel... some have made themes that look just like Sense....but you said you don't want a theme.
That's about it...
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The sticky is EPIC...honestly, it's just data and info. I guess I am looking more for opinions. Thank you for the insight.
I had an EVO and that thing had not once, ever, locked up or froze. 2nd day on my Droid X after a hard reset and it is SO laggy.
Unlock screen even lags to get to home. IDK.... I def don't want the "blurware", but the benchmarks on this phone are impressive. It's response and use have not been, in my opinion.
My wife has the Samsung Vibrant and the specs are amazing for that phone too, but NEVER have I seen a phone lock up and freeze so much. She gave her old G1 to my mom and it's like they run at about the same speed.
I'm real tech savy, a huge phone nerd, etc....I just really didn't like my iPhone. I use Apple products for everything else as I am an audio engineer by profession, but the iPhone was SO limited. I had to hack the crap out of it to get basic things that are available on freebie candybar phones.
One thing I have noticed is that it seems to build my photo cache REALLY slow. Now... I have 14 GBs of photo/video on their, but everytime I open a gallery it takes forever to load. It is getting better about this, slowly but surely....do you think my unit is defective, I am expecting too much, or the more I play with it and let it buld a good cache, etc, it will run better?
Thanks for responding, and THANK YOU for the sticky... If I decide to root that thing will be a lifesaver!

system6 said:
The sticky is EPIC...honestly, it's just data and info. I guess I am looking more for opinions. Thank you for the insight.
I had an EVO and that thing had not once, ever, locked up or froze. 2nd day on my Droid X after a hard reset and it is SO laggy.
Unlock screen even lags to get to home. IDK.... I def don't want the "blurware", but the benchmarks on this phone are impressive. It's response and use have not been, in my opinion.
My wife has the Samsung Vibrant and the specs are amazing for that phone too, but NEVER have I seen a phone lock up and freeze so much. She gave her old G1 to my mom and it's like they run at about the same speed.
I'm real tech savy, a huge phone nerd, etc....I just really didn't like my iPhone. I use Apple products for everything else as I am an audio engineer by profession, but the iPhone was SO limited. I had to hack the crap out of it to get basic things that are available on freebie candybar phones.
One thing I have noticed is that it seems to build my photo cache REALLY slow. Now... I have 14 GBs of photo/video on their, but everytime I open a gallery it takes forever to load. It is getting better about this, slowly but surely....do you think my unit is defective, I am expecting too much, or the more I play with it and let it buld a good cache, etc, it will run better?
Thanks for responding, and THANK YOU for the sticky... If I decide to root that thing will be a lifesaver!
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I think the type of sdcard you have also makes a difference. If you have a new class 6 card instead of what the phone comes with (I think it is like class 2 or 3) then the read/write speed should be a lot better. I have been using the latest Rubix ROM for about 2 weeks now, and I don't experience any lag or reboots/freezing. I really like this ROM, and actually talk to Drod2169 (the developer) a decent amount. I would take a look at Rubix or Fission 2.5.7 as these are both blur-free ROM's.
I am also a huge tech nerd/geek. I have tweaked the crap out of my X. I have probably tried every ROM/theme there is for this thing, and right now I'm sitting solid on Rubix. I also used Darkslide 4.2 Blurless for a while. It is a ROM built by BBCrackman and some others over at mydroidworld. I would suggest trying Darkslide out. It is pre-themed by the makers of the ROM but I think it has been the most reliable and snappy ROM I have used besides Rubix 2.0.
If you have questions, shoot them at me in here, or hit me up on gchat.
[email protected] More than happy to help out where I can.

SysAdmin-X said:
I think the type of sdcard you have also makes a difference. If you have a new class 6 card instead of what the phone comes with (I think it is like class 2 or 3) then the read/write speed should be a lot better. I have been using the latest Rubix ROM for about 2 weeks now, and I don't experience any lag or reboots/freezing. I really like this ROM, and actually talk to Drod2169 (the developer) a decent amount. I would take a look at Rubix or Fission 2.5.7 as these are both blur-free ROM's.
I am also a huge tech nerd/geek. I have tweaked the crap out of my X. I have probably tried every ROM/theme there is for this thing, and right now I'm sitting solid on Rubix. I also used Darkslide 4.2 Blurless for a while. It is a ROM built by BBCrackman and some others over at mydroidworld. I would suggest trying Darkslide out. It is pre-themed by the makers of the ROM but I think it has been the most reliable and snappy ROM I have used besides Rubix 2.0.
If you have questions, shoot them at me in here, or hit me up on gchat.
[email protected] More than happy to help out where I can.
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Thanks a million for the cool info and not just a "NOOB RTFM!" response!
I will check out both!

[Q] Any Sensation users?

Just wondering whether any Vibrant users have also gotten a Sensation. I picked the Sensation up last week for my wife and have been very disappointed when I compare it to my Vibrant running Bionix v1.2 (non touch wiz). Maybe it is Sense 3.0, but the phone just does not seem to be nearly as functional as my Vibrant. With Bionix, almost all steps are obvious and intuitive....with Sense very little is intuitive as things that should take one step take two or more. All this coupled with the fact that the Sensation's damn font size is microscopic makes for a frustrating experience. Was originally hoping to get the SGSII, but T-Mobile killed that option!
Should I keep the phone, hoping it can be unlocked, and install a better Rom, or punt for another more stock device.
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i'm experiencing the opposite. i find sense 3.0 to have incorporated many of the capabilities only found in custom roms. when i first got the sensation i hated sense but after using it for a while it's grown on me. as far as whether or not to keep it that's up to you however i would wait for the boot loader unlock to decide. sense 3.0 is still very young and buggy but once custom roms become a reality i believe that will change.

Ozam said:
Just wondering whether any Vibrant users have also gotten a Sensation. I picked the Sensation up last week for my wife and have been very disappointed when I compare it to my Vibrant running Bionix v1.2 (non touch wiz). Maybe it is Sense 3.0, but the phone just does not seem to be nearly as functional as my Vibrant. With Bionix, almost all steps are obvious and intuitive....with Sense very little is intuitive as things that should take one step take two or more. All this coupled with the fact that the Sensation's damn font size is microscopic makes for a frustrating experience. Was originally hoping to get the SGSII, but T-Mobile killed that option!
Should I keep the phone, hoping it can be unlocked, and install a better Rom, or punt for another more stock device.
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I just sent mine back today. Main reasons:
1. First & foremost: I agree with you, the font on numerous apps is way too small (Weather.com/solitaire, as examples). Whether the phone is or someday has the potential to be the smoothest, most kick-ass thing on the planet or not, if I can't see what I'm reading it's useless.
2. The buttons (power and volume) are way too hard to push. Having to essentially use 2 hands to turn it on is way too much work multiplied by the life of the phone.
3. Maybe root/maybe not. I'm seriously addicted , not knowing if it will ever be root-able made me have to return it before the 14 days.
4. With what I'm running now (sig.), it's way faster/smoother than stock Sense, and, going back to point #3 above, I thought TW was a RAM hog, Sense is ridiculous. After about 3 minutes after a reboot, my See PU RAM meter turns yellow & stays that way. Unacceptable...
5. "Only" 768 MB's or RAM, on this phone? Nowhere near enough, the way Sense eats it.
6. Too many nitzy little bugs & annoyances. If you've had one, you know what I mean (Sense "reloading"/screen lagging/low volume in calls). You know how you just don't "feel it"? That's my Sensation experience. Anybody else???

The time has come for new things

After a great 3-years experience with my Hero, the time has come to say goodbye. The Hero was my first android phone and as we all know "You never forget your first" ) .
The bottom part of the touchscreen failed almost completely a few months ago, started having a bad experience trying to type text and use the bottom part of the screen on apps. I had a good deal on my new phone : Samsung Galaxy S (GT-I9000) so I switched to it and I am very happy to see the improvement over Hero's hardware. It's been a good ride but the time has come for new things.
I want to thank all the devs that made and continue to make the magic happen on the Hero so it stays alive. Thank you so much for your dedication !

My heros bottom stopped working, just heat up the top part and put pressure on it and leave it over night . If you dont have your hero anymore then ... Goodbye

I don't have my Hero anymore but I've tried 3 times that and couldn't make it better.

Ciprilik said:
I don't have my Hero anymore but I've tried 3 times that and couldn't make it better.
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Sorry to hear that, now that we made CM10 for it it could atleast be good for experimenting..

So for the poor fella here (ME!) with not much money to waste but with lots of time to test out the custom roms (especially with Jelly Bean) would the Hero be a good buy? and would it run Angry Birds and Where's My Water? (so that way my GF would not complain that I got a phone that couldn't handle her two favorite games lol)
Thanks

Well go with BeastSense or SHPONGLE for gaming. you could run ICS and Jelly but they would be fairly slow, slow as in Call of duty on pentium 2 . And in Jellybean or ICS you can forget gaming , Jellybean and ICS are just for daily drivers as in calling texting and stuff like that

kemoba said:
Well with BeastSense or SHPONGLE you could run them but they would be fairly slow, not slow as in Call of duty on pentium 2 but slow as a bit slow . And in Jellybean or ICS you can forget gaming , Jellybean and ICS are just for daily drivers as in calling texting and stuff like that
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Oh, so the custom roms that have ICS or Jellybean are not made for gaming? So for that I would have to stick to the latest Android that the phone can run (official firmware) Right?
Thanks

Well ICS and JB are not ment for better hardware then we do letalone our hardware It says minimum adreno 2xx we have 130 so no hardware acceleration. As for ROM use the fastest stable ROM i wouldnt go for stock since they are not OC'd and a lot of stuff is on so it's ****ty, use BEASTSense by icebox, he took 2.1 stock and made a beast out of it. Get a good OC app and OC your phone as much as you can (I can go to 672/692 MHz without any issues thats 100 MHz on stock) It should help. If you want gaming on a cheap phone go for something that has a decent GPU and RAM. Wildfire S is a good option, they have ICS and JB that i think you can play games on, but no matter what your phone is the best thing for gaming is tweaked low android version, preferably no custom UI like Sense, TouchWIZ, MotoBlur and stuff like that. There are some mods that can rip Sense UI out of a phone so if you want your Hero to be a gamer phone go with BEAST, OC, remove sense, get a light launcher like launcherpro and play