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Cpu speeds after root

Wanted to start a thread so we can start tracking successful overclocks and underclocks.

tried setcpu, gave it su permissions, but dont have a setcpu.txt file for applicable speeds. tried to put droid speeds on it, but it somereason refuses to set?

kingofyo1 said:
tried setcpu, gave it su permissions, but dont have a setcpu.txt file for applicable speeds. tried to put droid speeds on it, but it somereason refuses to set?
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did you autodetect?

after autodetect it gives a max of 600mhz ...
isn't that stock?

Pull it from Wes's github. He has it up to 998 from the looks of it
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mtjnkee said:
Pull it from Wes's github. He has it up to 998 from the looks of it
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please explain =)

mtjnkee said:
Pull it from Wes's github. He has it up to 998 from the looks of it
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how exactly do we do that and apply it?

Need some good instructions on this please, links would be helpful
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I thought there was a big hullaballoo over the G1 and overclocking and it was discovered that unless there's a kernel-level modification, the overclock widget doesn't actually overclock beyond the max the kernel says it can go(like, it will SAY it's OC'd but will still be running at stock)? Maybe the same kind of hack can be used from the G1 since it's still an ARM11 processor? Sorry about my non-specific rambling, I only have a very rudimentary understanding of this >.>
Perhaps a couple threads on the matter will help. These are threads about the actual kernel modification/hack that allows the OC'ing on the G1:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=666850
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=679033
FWIW, there's no OC'ing on the Legend yet, and it uses the same processor as our beloved MTS. I'd love to be able to get more out of this device though, hope we see it soon
EDIT: It's also worth mentioning that in the beginning of the G1's life when people were "overclocking" it to 528mhz, it wasn't actually overclocking. It was only that the processor was UNDERclocked by the stock software to 300-something mhz and we were overriding it back up to the intended max speed of the processor, 528mhz. Only recently have people truly started OC'ing it beyond that with these kernel hacks. On the MTS, I appears that it STARTS at 600mhz, which is already the max intended speed of the processor. So if we want more we'll need these kernel hacks. I'm hoping we'll be able to get at least 800mhz and still be stable <3

it took the g1 a good deal of time to have one too right?

If some good developers come soon it should be possible to overclock the kernal maybe try porting from the hero that has many overclocked kernals thanks to behnaam

faylix said:
please explain =)
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Hope you dont mind Wes
This is what i was speaking of. It looks like he is already working on it. i'm not a dev but i can tell that this rom in the making is going to come with some yummies.

thanks for the heads up man, I'm no dev either but that sounds awesome. I'm hoping to overclock this bad boy and get him just flying (not that he isn't already). I was searching for the power profile already on the Slide to see if it's possible to just rewrite the current file, but I can't seem to find exactly what I'm lookin for. Guess I'll just wait for a ROM update

The real trick will be to do what we did to the nexus . overclock undervolt
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I am bored and I want to root my desire.... BUT?

Update: attempting root, flash etc... help a brother out, lol
I keep editing my last post for problems I am finding, thx

what i've seen so far are other way round, that is rooting could make you unable to get OTA updates..
you can find rooting guides and roms in development section

descenpet said:
what i've seen so far are other way round, that is rooting could make you unable to get OTA updates..
you can find rooting guides and roms in development section
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I noticed u are from SG.. have u got the DHD yet or still waiting like the rest of us?
To the TS, there's a good sticky in the DHD Android Dev section, the very first thread by Ivo.. u should read that.

lukesky said:
I noticed u are from SG.. have u got the DHD yet or still waiting like the rest of us?
To the TS, there's a good sticky in the DHD Android Dev section, the very first thread by Ivo.. u should read that.
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still waiting.. my contract is 10days away from 1 year so i still can't recontract anyway. if still not out in 2 weeks, will be sad though

Mr.Kakarot said:
I read somewhere that the OTA could possibly stop me from rooting my phone? Is there somewhere/something specific I should check before I make the attempt?
With the help of this forum, I did get into rooting my nexus one... and flashing often... but if someone could point me to a proper how to.... and a known solid rom/kernel....
I would appreciate it, thx in advance
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LeeDriOD 1.2 custom rom
Apache 1.5ghz OC kernel
Watch your phone fly haha..
You will need the following to flash..
PermRoot
S OFF
Android sdk..adb/fastboot
Clockwork Mod..
Enjoy...All stock DHD are awful compared to a custom one haha...if i had to go back to stock id sell my phone..
Quadrant 3097
Linpack 54.147
Neocore 58.7
You get the picture
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rixsta said:
LeeDriOD 1.2 custom rom
Apache 1.5ghz OC kernel
*****
Enjoy...All stock DHD are awful compared to a custom one haha...if i had to go back to stock id sell my phone..
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Got the same setup on my DHD and it is quite responsive.
Although stock DHD is pretty much ok i.m.o.
On topic: read the dev forum, a lot of info is there already

rixsta said:
Quadrant 3097
Linpack 54.147
Neocore 58.7
You get the picture
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this is quite OT, but I was wondering how come DHDs overclocked to 1.5Ghz can achieve 3k+ Quadrant scores but the G2 needs to be OCed to 1.8 or 1.9Ghz to achieve similar scores? The extra RAM of the DHD makes so much difference?

Well its a different processor, not just lower clocked.
I dont know the specs off the top of my head but i would guess it has smaller caches. That does make a difference. I doubt ram comes into it for most of the benchmarks.

paulus_01 said:
Got the same setup on my DHD and it is quite responsive.
Although stock DHD is pretty much ok i.m.o.
On topic: read the dev forum, a lot of info is there already
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thx for the input, I know reading is a good thing... problem is, there is 100 threads.... I just need to know where to start to achieve root, then a suggested person to follow.... one that addresses issues fast, has the latest greatest etc
I will start reading and flashing tonight! thx

Mr.Kakarot said:
thx for the input, I know reading is a good thing... problem is, there is 100 threads.... I just need to know where to start to achieve root, then a suggested person to follow.... one that addresses issues fast, has the latest greatest etc
I will start reading and flashing tonight! thx
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An excellent thread showing where to find what, including instructions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=846248
To root, S-off & flash Clockwork mod:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=841076
Custom Rom example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=842802
Overclock kernel example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=835616
Good luck

thx for that, I had a brutal day at work... and then I had a very, very late "tour" at a correctional facility..... so i did not get to any of this. Hopefully tomorrow.... I absolutely love this phone and case..... my windows 7 phone came today... and wifi compared to wife.... the dhd destroys it.... not to mention... things look normal on the dhd... on the w7p, it looks like crap until you zoom in... I just wanted to try the phone for myself, lol
so for me, it all comes down to 2g vs 3g.... dhd is better has down, for many things and reasons..... but the 2g vs 3g is causing me turmoil... oh well, once I root and see the goodness... maybe it will be a much easier decision

brb almost done

paulus_01 said:
An excellent thread showing where to find what, including instructions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=846248
To root, S-off & flash Clockwork mod:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=841076
Custom Rom example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=842802
Overclock kernel example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=835616
Good luck
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Not going to lie, I had NO idea what I was doing... but I think I just stumbled through it all.....
are the kernels dangerous.... how can I test/check to see if it is worthwhile.... will they drain the battery even more so? thx

Depending what kernel and what clock speed you set, you should be able to underclock to around 700 +/- mhz and not have any noticeable slow downs.
Just make sure you set a lower speed when your screen is off and you battery will last upwards of 24 hours.

thx, I just that 1.51 one for now.... seems to be working well, I put a profile in for screen off.... dropping it to 256-756 or whatever it is! did some light benching, angry birds, no lag or issues so far.... woke up and the phone is still alive, lol
thx

Getting a G1

Hey guys, I bought a G1 on EBay for 78 bucks ( pretty cheap considering the device has regular wear and tear) and wanted to dominate the thing with awesome mods etc. Anyone know a nice stable and fast froyo build? If there is one with Sense I will take that as well and as a side note... is multi touch enabled on these roms? Multi touch like the Nexus S has?
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If you want froyo, you should try out froyo by lazlo, if you want gingerbread, try cos-ds gingerbread
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Multitouch enabled on most custom roms, from 1.6 to current.

do also check on how to upgrade the spl and radio of the phone if it has not been upgraded, as this would give you extra 14mb of ram which is very precious for the g1. Links are at my sig
welcome to the g1 community and have fun flashing!

So what use is the radio for? Just some extra ram? Anyone got a link for a stable froyo or gingerbread build? Which ever is most stable I will take, if there is a version with Sense then I will take that. Also what's with this 32a and 32b stuff? Are there specific versions of roms? Cause that would kind of suck lol.
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yes, with it you'll get around 110 of ram, which considered as a lot for g1, froyo, go for froyo by laszlo or froyofortrout or ezterry's official aosp ota.
GB, try cosds or ads. laszlo's and the GB links are at my signature. open up the web version of the forum if you cant see them from the xda/tapatalk app. happy flashing!

azrash said:
yes, with it you'll get around 110 of ram, which considered as a lot for g1, froyo, go for froyo by laszlo or froyofortrout or ezterry's official aosp ota.
GB, try cosds or ads. laszlo's and the GB links are at my signature. open up the web version of the forum if you cant see them from the xda/tapatalk app. happy flashing!
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Thanks, do these roms run fast? And is there a way to keep the stock IM app that comes on the G1? I have seen it and I actually like it.
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Smokexz said:
Thanks, do these roms run fast? And is there a way to keep the stock IM app that comes on the G1? I have seen it and I actually like it.
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they are very fast, but this varies with the settings that you use on them. what is the name of the app? i think you can try adb pull it, and push it again. ive never seen the app cz i bought mine pre-installed with another custom rom, lol

Uh here I have a video by Phonedog:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm777yg4WvA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Skip a little when he starts talking about Instant Messaging etc. I thought it looked pretty cool and a bit better than Trillian such. I tried it on my Nexus S, and it kept crashing. Is there a way to keep that app? Also I am planning on overclocking the device does it improve performance? I just want a ROM that isn't going to bog down the experience, I don't use live wallpapers and the most I want to play is Angry Birds and Fruit Ninja, can it run that if it's all stock?
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Smokexz said:
Uh here I have a video by Phonedog:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm777yg4WvA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Skip a little when he starts talking about Instant Messaging etc. I thought it looked pretty cool and a bit better than Trillian such. I tried it on my Nexus S, and it kept crashing. Is there a way to keep that app? Also I am planning on overclocking the device does it improve performance? I just want a ROM that isn't going to bog down the experience, I don't use live wallpapers and the most I want to play is Angry Birds and Fruit Ninja, can it run that if it's all stock?
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the app might not be compatible with gingerbread, plus the original g1 received only up to 1.6 as the official update, but you can always try later on with your preferred custom rom. OC does improve, but personally, im not using it, the default is good enough for me, your needs might be diffrent.
angry bird is playable with this script, but it is not that smooth, but still playable . have not tried ninja, most of the 2d games work well so far. for good gaming experience, your nexus s would be much2 more better lol
hope it helps

azrash said:
the app might not be compatible with gingerbread, plus the original g1 received only up to 1.6 as the official update, but you can always try later on with your preferred custom rom. OC does improve, but personally, im not using it, the default is good enough for me, your needs might be diffrent.
angry bird is playable with this script, but it is not that smooth, but still playable . have not tried ninja, most of the 2d games work well so far. for good gaming experience, your nexus s would be much2 more better lol
hope it helps
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Hmmm, would overclocling make the gaming experience any better? I mean I know that emulators work well because they were made on the G1, saw videos of people using it on a G1 as well. I am not going to have my Nexus S for a good week or two for repairs, so I need a device to substitute it.
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Smokexz said:
Hmmm, would overclocling make the gaming experience any better? I mean I know that emulators work well because they were made on the G1, saw videos of people using it on a G1 as well. I am not going to have my Nexus S for a good week or two for repairs, so I need a device to substitute it.
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even if you overclock it to 614, angry bird wont be as smooth even with the script+overclock. this from my experience though, not sure what others have got

azrash said:
even if you overclock it to 614, angry bird wont be as smooth even with the script+overclock. this from my experience though, not sure what others have got
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Yeaup same here.
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azrash said:
even if you overclock it to 614, angry bird wont be as smooth even with the script+overclock. this from my experience though, not sure what others have got
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Darn, oh well guess I gotta just stick with the classics.
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Smokexz said:
Darn, oh well guess I gotta just stick with the classics.
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the limitation here is the ram and also the gpu in g1, it uses adreno 130, which is very old, phones with slightly higher gpu, adreno 200 have much2 better performance eventhough they are only one model newer.

Yeah I knew it was the RAM, oh well it's not like I was going to game hardcore or anything.
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Any other things I should know when I get my G1?
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Both angry birds and fruit ninja run very well using froyobylazo 5.2, fruit ninja runs better in my tests I've done with it. I OC to 595 - 633 tho for best results with those games,emualtion is fine @ 528 and below.
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d12unk13astard said:
Both angry birds and fruit ninja run very well using froyobylazo 5.2, fruit ninja runs better in my tests I've done with it. I OC to 595 - 633 tho for best results with those games,emualtion is fine @ 528 and below.
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Thanks!
Woah the G1 was really clocked low...
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I might just suggest using gingerbread in particular 'ginger yoshi'. I recently also purchased a G1/Dream off ebay and decided to mod it and just tonight loaded ginger yoshi 7.1.1 onto it (android 2.3.3) and it is working flawlessly, before gingerbread i was running froyo (cyanogenmod 6.1.0 magpie) but yoshi's build is so much more snappier.
Links:
Ginger Yoshi Rom
Enabling Kernel 2708+ Tutorial

Whats difference between Frojo and Ginger

Hey guys i have search around to get an answer for this question and haven't found it. I just like to test around but before im trying to see if is worth it trying ginger and what is so good about it
Thanks
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Yes, sometimes this information can be hard to find. This should give you what you're looking for:
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=difference+between+froyo+and+gingerbread

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Fr0stbyteX said:
Yes, sometimes this information can be hard to find. This should give you what you're looking for:
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=difference+between+froyo+and+gingerbread
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You sir, have just given me the closest thing you can get to a pimp slap over the internet, and for that I thank you.

Whats a Frojo?

So much a fan of LMGTFY.... next time, use goo.gl to shorten it, and you may have gotten me too

...and answers like these create people like akaskriller lol...cause we are soooo mean!!!!

Basically nothing worth upgrading for.

What about the i9000 roms fo they run faster,less lag on stock? Do games run better i rember reading its good for games.
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i agree with the previous reply. after trying a few gb roms, i also found there is nothing noticeable difference between froyo and gb. froyo is still faster, more stable and have gps.
stay with froyo.
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just the same differences when you taste froyo and ginger.

Frodo is a character from Lord of the Rings while Ginger is a character from Gilligan's Island.

Gingerbread is optimized for Hummingbird CPU (SGS) while Froyo is optimized for Snapdragon CPU (N1)

I'm hoping some of the bluetooth quirks are solved.
It's seams my old feature phone did a better job with BT than droid (or iphones)
Robert

Froyo tastes better than gingerbread....anyday of the week
rmeden said:
I'm hoping some of the bluetooth quirks are solved.
It's seams my old feature phone did a better job with BT than droid (or iphones)
Robert
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Nvr heard of anyone getting blue teeth from froyo or gingerbread. YOU ARE NOT MAKING ANY SENSE MAN.

cellneuron said:
i agree with the previous reply. after trying a few gb roms, i also found there is nothing noticeable difference between froyo and gb. froyo is still faster, more stable and have gps.
stay with froyo.
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Also, there seem to be few if any apps coming out requiring GB. That was not the case with Froyo - there were LOTS of changes to the API there and not being able to upgrade meant missing out on new apps. Nothing like that with GB so I don't mind sticking with Froyo for a bit of stability.

anthonys2r said:
Whats a Frojo?
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Frojo is the Spanish version of 2.2
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ginger doesn't have a soul

slightly. nothing noticeable difference between froyo and gb.

I honestly have to say I have try every single rom posted here in less then 2 months. For last I have seen lots of hype with Ginger CM7 and I went for it.
2 days pass and I downgraded again to Frojo 2.2 since I hated it that ginger, is buggy and there aint much I could do to get it popping like I can do with custom Frojo Roms.
So I will stick with Frojo until Ginger gets the support we have now for Frojo types.

[kernel] gingerbread sense WANTED will donate to make happen.

Recently htc released the source code to make it possible for gingerbread sense kernels. I am trying to push the development community by offering a small donation to push it to happen. I would also like to extend this help with other xda members that would help donate to make it happen. So if you want this to happen post here stating you'll donate to the developer that makes it happen first.
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I'm in. Willing to both test AND donate.

oh chad where are you

JoelZ9614 said:
oh chad where are you
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For real, but this thread kinda shows that whole newbie/consumer concept that iron fist is trying to battle. Lol

I seem to recall that open sense code does not work
Ah, found it. Watch newsplat with caplat, August 10
Link to come
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Zalatorisaurus said:
For real, but this thread kinda shows that whole newbie/consumer concept that iron fist is trying to battle. Lol
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no offense to the mods but they dont do a very good job at enforcing it...and no mods even hang out on the inc forums anymore so i dont see how it matters as long as this doesnt become a thread of flames i think this is sort of productive...

Cryous said:
I seem to recall that open sense code does not work
Ah, found it. Watch newsplat with caplat, August 10
Link to come
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open sense is a piece of crap htc screwed us with that but the htc evo 4g kernel source code is something we could possibly use since we both have qsd8k platform

JoelZ9614 said:
open sense is a piece of crap htc screwed us with that but the htc evo 4g kernel source code is something we could possibly use since we both have qsd8k platform
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Oh, I though he was talking about opensense because he said release by HTC. But that could work I suppose. Maybe this will fix the sense kernel issues
I also think as long as this remains on topic, ie people voicing support, I don't think this violates iron fist. Its not like we are demanding anything, were offering a nudge
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JoelZ9614 said:
no offense to the mods but they dont do a very good job at enforcing it...and no mods even hang out on the inc forums anymore so i dont see how it matters as long as this doesnt become a thread of flames i think this is sort of productive...
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I know. I wish they would open up applications again. I think I help out and contribute enough, but you never know with XDA. Lol. Even more that you and Nils were denied recognized developer status which is such a shame. I would be happy to help moderate in any forum, but the DInc and Eris forums are my home. Maybe they'll open up applications again soon.

I'm working on a port of the evo gingersense kernel to inc. with some pointers from chad I got it compiled but haven't gotten it to boot yet. IF I get it booted I will post it for testing.
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tiny4579 said:
I'm working on a port of the evo gingersense kernel to inc. with some pointers from chad I got it compiled but haven't gotten it to boot yet. IF I get it booted I will post it for testing.
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for any dev that might work on this, if possible can you please include the following features:
- 5 pt. multitouch
- GPU +
- Smartass governor
- HAVS and/or sysfs
I.e.: the features that make incredikernel so damn awesome these features... or rather, lack thereof, are why I am still stuck on Froyo, as awesome as some of the 2.1/3.0 gingersense ROMS are...

bast525 said:
for any dev that might work on this, if possible can you please include the following features:
- 5 pt. multitouch
- GPU +
- Smartass governor
- HAVS and/or sysfs
I.e.: the features that make incredikernel so damn awesome these features... or rather, lack thereof, are why I am still stuck on Froyo, as awesome as some of the 2.1/3.0 gingersense ROMS are...
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If your staying on froyo because of those, your missing out. The leaked kernel is pretty good, the roms are awesome.
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I ran Synergy for a while.... loved the ROM... but yeah, I'm one of the few who actually uses the multitouch (play a ton of Genesis and GBA on my phone). GPU + made a huge difference for 3d graphics framerates, smartass was a noticeable increase in battery life. On my custom Froyo ROM with incredikernel, the phone is rock solid stable, fast, smooth, everything works, and I can go WEEKS without a freeze, lock up, reboot, battery pull, etc.....
I don't feel like I'm missing out THAT badly, but, yeah once a custom kernel that does all that comes out, Synergy ROM here I come.

bast525 said:
for any dev that might work on this, if possible can you please include the following features:
- 5 pt. multitouch
- GPU +
- Smartass governor
- HAVS and/or sysfs
I.e.: the features that make incredikernel so damn awesome these features... or rather, lack thereof, are why I am still stuck on Froyo, as awesome as some of the 2.1/3.0 gingersense ROMS are...
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Gotta crawl before you walk bro. Let's just hope someone will actually take this one and successfully provide us with a kernel.
Good luck on porting that Evo kernel tiny. That would be HUGE for all of us.

+ 9000 internets for the dev who does it first gogogogogo
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bast525 said:
I ran Synergy for a while.... loved the ROM... but yeah, I'm one of the few who actually uses the multitouch (play a ton of Genesis and GBA on my phone). GPU + made a huge difference for 3d graphics framerates, smartass was a noticeable increase in battery life. On my custom Froyo ROM with incredikernel, the phone is rock solid stable, fast, smooth, everything works, and I can go WEEKS without a freeze, lock up, reboot, battery pull, etc.....
I don't feel like I'm missing out THAT badly, but, yeah once a custom kernel that does all that comes out, Synergy ROM here I come.
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Actually, smartass is available as a loadable module for gingerbread sense.
See this link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1216306
Most of the rest of the requests will need a working kernel with source (or ported kernel).

...nevermind, sorry guys

tiny that would be awesome if you could get it to boot. joelz glad to see a powerful xda member supporting this. you probably remember me joelz when I started the thread to keep people up to date about your ROM on here when you left. glad we have your backing on this. it would make your ROMS that much sweeter if we can get this done. so my donantion starts out at 5 bucks to the developer that shows work in progress. let me know! and lets get this done!

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tiny that would be awesome if you could get it to boot. joelz glad to see a powerful xda member supporting this. you probably remember me joelz when I started the thread to keep people up to date about your ROM on here when you left. glad we have your backing on this. it would make your ROMS that much sweeter if we can get this done. so my donantion starts out at 5 bucks to the developer that shows work in progress. let me know! and lets get this done!
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