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Cyanogen vs Virtuous

Just wondering what your thoughts are. I like them both, so hopefully you can all help me make a decision.
Notes:
*if option to customize lock screen exists, HUGE plus
*I'll probably overclock / use SetCPU, so good balance of performance / battery is huge for me.
Duke it out!

I've had experience with both, virtuous is nice but CM is so much faster. It is also nice to have Android the way it was meant to be and not some companies highly modded version.
Sense uses quite a lot of memory whereas CM does not and this makes a big difference with how responsive your phone can be.

I've been using CM 7.0 Nightlies for quite a while now and the speed is awesome, plus I also like the fact that it's Android the way it should be. Battery is great for me with Cyanogen as well, about 26-30 hours with average usage (stock battery).

Having had experience with Cyanogen-based ROMs on my previous Hero and Virtuous on my current DZ, i am actually torn. For me, personally, I would have to give the edge to Virtuous. Having the wide customizability of CM was great and having LauncherPRO was so flexible. That being said, however, I like how HTC's Sense just gets you and assumes many of the things you would like to do instead of you doing it yourself.
One example would be facebook linking to your contacts. I hate seeing a generic photo when I get calls and would rather see the picture of the person calling. Having this kind of assumed integration is great. Other features like the dialer, working GPS and rmk's other small tweaks (see: Virtuous advanced kernel for use with SetCPU) make the Sense experience that much better.
On the otherhand, AOSP or CM versions of android are much lighter as they dont have the kind of assumptions and integrations of a Sense-based rom. Being highly customizable, you can implement different launchers, skins, lock screens, docks, etc.. but I did find myself cursing at some points because I am just a Sense kind of guy deep inside.
It really comes down to personal preference. Try them both for a week and see how you feel about them. Alot of people have been saying Virtuous is laggy, but I have not seen any of that lag. As with all flashes, clear data, cache, battery and davlik through recovery! Have fun and i hope you find the rom that fits you.
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Athrun88 said:
Having had experience with Cyanogen-based ROMs on my previous Hero and Virtuous on my current DZ, i am actually torn. For me, personally, I would have to give the edge to Virtuous. Having the wide customizability of CM was great and having LauncherPRO was so flexible. That being said, however, I like how HTC's Sense just gets you and assumes many of the things you would like to do instead of you doing it yourself.
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Sense is definitely nice, and it's something that easily sets HTC devices apart from the pack. That being said, I'm much more of an AOSP kind of guy, because as nice and pretty as Sense is, it just takes up too much RAM for my liking, and the launcher is just not customizable enough for me. Having only 3 buttons at the bottom absolutely drives me nuts; I've got to have the scrolling bottom row like Go Launcher and Launcher Pro provide. Obviously you can use these on a Sense rom, but what's the point in having a Sense rom when you don't use the Sense launcher? For me it boils down to this, and I'm sure the many other features that Cyanogenmod has that I use on a daily basis. I haven't used Virtuous since I got the phone in October, so I'm sure there's more stuff on it now than before, but I'm definitely a Cyanogenmod kind of guy. Plus there are roms based off Cyanogen, like Mexdroid, that add all kinds of pretty and additional functionality that I like.

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but what's the point in having a Sense rom when you don't use the Sense launcher?
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The HTC camera app is far better than on CM, and the camera button does not lag like it does on CM. And I'm not completely sure about this (and haven't really seen it discussed here much), but it seems the Sense based ROMs have more/better hardware codecs for playback of a wider variety of videos without lag or sync issues. Also, the Sense fastboot feature is pretty nice if you have to turn off/on your phone frequently (which I do, due to frequent air travel).
I haven't given the latest and greatest CM7 versions a test drive yet, but I tried RC1 and RC2, and there were still enough bugs (GPS, video camera playback) to turn me off. I might wait until Gingerbread is officially released for our hardware before trying a GB ROM again.

For a daily, I would pick CM7 since it's quick and I'm pretty much guaranteed a full day of usage no matter what.
Virtuous, Sense, is nice and all, but the lag is a deal breaker for me. The only perks I see from Sense is the refined UI and better FaceBook integration, other than that, I don't really need it. And the battery life on Sense roms seems to be half of what I get on CM7.
CM7, stock android, is catching up though, with Gingerbread the UI has been given a cleaner look and my contacts do sync with FaceBook, but every now and then I'll have a duplicate contact, which in Sense it would allow me to link the two together. The only problem I would see with CM7 would be all of the customization options. I'd say that I'm an above average Android user, but all of the options I have available to me to customize the phone look is a bit overwhelming, in my opinion. It takes me a good hour or two to get the phone set up in a way I prefer, whereas Sense kind of has it's settings put in such a way that creates a better user experience.
So as I said before, CM7 would be my preferred ROM since when I do get it set up the way I want, the phone is easy to use and everything is quickly accessible to me. Virtuous, as nice as it is, is just a bit too slow and too much of a battery drainer for me to use it every day.

redpoint73 said:
The HTC camera app is far better than on CM, and the camera button does not lag like it does on CM. And I'm not completely sure about this (and haven't really seen it discussed here much), but it seems the Sense based ROMs have more/better hardware codecs for playback of a wider variety of videos without lag or sync issues. Also, the Sense fastboot feature is pretty nice if you have to turn off/on your phone frequently (which I do, due to frequent air travel).
I haven't given the latest and greatest CM7 versions a test drive yet, but I tried RC1 and RC2, and there were still enough bugs (GPS, video camera playback) to turn me off. I might wait until Gingerbread is officially released for our hardware before trying a GB ROM again.
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So what about using CM6? Isn't that a Froyo build?
If so, is it just lacking in features compared to the Gingerbread builds?
As a side note, can anyone tell me if CM has some sort of Facebook-to-Contact link like Sense? And if so, is it actually nice and doesn't load my entire phone app full of people I will never ever call? LoL

Bloodlvst said:
As a side note, can anyone tell me if CM has some sort of Facebook-to-Contact link like Sense? And if so, is it actually nice and doesn't load my entire phone app full of people I will never ever call? LoL
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There is an app called contapps or something like that on market that has similar facebook to contact integration.
Speed = CM or CM based (GingerVillian)
Ease of use = Sense based (Virtuous)
It is really boiling down to personal preference. I did find myself jumping between AOSP and Sense before but could never really shake my love for Sense. The slight bloat and 0.001% lag that i experience is a good price to pay . I hope you find the rom that fits you, whatever that may be
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Bloodlvst said:
So what about using CM6? Isn't that a Froyo build?
If so, is it just lacking in features compared to the Gingerbread builds?
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Yep, pretty much. CM6 is very stable. But for me, if you're going to go Froyo, you may as well go Sense. I like the extra features, and you can use an alternative launcher, since the lag on the Sense ROMs is mostly when using the stock launcher, IMO. And I didn't seem to experience any worse battery life with Sense ROMs versus CM7, like a previous user mentioned. But I didn't stay on CM6 long enough to compare battery life. Plus, the theming aesthetics of the Sense ROM and Gingerbread are nicer than Froyo, in my personal taste.

Actually there is also a sense gingerbread out accurately named 'senseginger' made by teamvillain aswell. It is very good. It is the middleground of froyo sense and stock gingerbread.
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CM is a lot smoother and simple.
The sense part on Virtuous takes up toooo much memory and slows the phone down, but the widgets are nice.

Android always comes down to user preference. You want a suggestion? Try both. And give it a good week. Even if you HATE it at first, give it a good while before deciding against it. You may find that once little aspect that will keep you from ever changing.

Me personally, I like CM7 over any sense based rom hands down. With the new gingerbread based cm7 I can easily link all of my facebook contacts with the ones in my contact list. If at first the picture doesn't show up, make sure you have the facebook app to sync all and then just long press your contact and join it to the facebook one. Boom, instant gratification. I personally rely on my ram being free, and the ability to overclock smoothly for playing ps one emulators. SetCpu has been known to cause glitches in cm7 for underclocking or overclocking too much, but as long as you do a minimal amount of research for your setup, it is easily avoided. As some others previously stated, it's all dependant on your preference and what you use your phone for. Try them both for a week at least, then decide, that's the best advice I could give
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My first experience with a ROM was CM7 RC1-4 and a few days ago I was bored and installed Virtuous and it's not bad but I definitely prefer CM7, it's way faster and smoother. The main reason I got the G2 was because it's Vanilla Android and CM7 has it all!
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Main question: do you like Sense or no? I've tried miui, virtuous, gb sense, etc. I always go back to cm7. Just smoother.
Virtuous (and all sense roms I've tried) send blurry MMSs as well.
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I like sense so i have virtuos, cm7 has too many bugs for me, maybe the last release is better!

mattew83 said:
I like sense so i have virtuos, cm7 has too many bugs for me, maybe the last release is better!
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What kind of bugs? I haven't found any.
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joe3681 said:
What kind of bugs? I haven't found any.
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On Camcorder, taking a video landscape, then trying to playback in portrait mode results in the screen showing white and blue lines. Same with taking the video in portrait and trying to playback while in landscape mode.
Also, there is a Gmail margin problem. And there is a decent amount of people with non-GPS (although probably most CM users are fine on this).
But similar to the previous response, I have not tried the more recent CM releases, to see if these were fixed.

As others have said, it comes down to personal preferences. I've come to like Sense recently and am really liking the amazing standby times I've been getting with Virtuous, so I'm sticking with that for a bit. After a couple releases I may look into CM7 again, though, since I miss the customizable automatic brightness levels it has (a little feature that is a big deal to me).

What ROM are you currently using?

This thread is pretty self-explanatory. I just thought I'd create it to see what other people besides me were using and why. Anyway, I don't know why I haven't seen any other thread like this, although I have a feeling someone's going to come and egg my house for this for some reason.
Right now I'm using faux123's AOSP Gingerbread ROM just because I like the speed and fluidity of AOSP.

Im Using UD. Its a pretty great rom but im getting tired of gingerbread and its little flaws for our mytouchs. Like the ffc for video chat being upside down and the lack of apps able to run properly

Everything? Right now RG 1.6. In about an hour probably fauxes AOSP to try to fix some stuff... (of mine that's broken.... not fauxs.. don't freak out).
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Cm7 nb#58 with stock cm kernel. Having no issues on this build.
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I've tried most of them, but always find my self coming back to CM7 (7.0.2 currently). I want so badly to run Faux's ASOP, but he stripped out the notification bar power widgets... and I am not sure I can live without them!

Currently using CM 7.0.2

CM7.0.2
I want to love the cm7 releases and they do work well but battery life seems to be much shorter than it is when using RoyalGinger. Anyone else have the same experience?

Running eViL's 4G-HD DesireHD port. I found out that when it comes to usability, pure Android is lacking A LOT compared to Sense (specifically - contacts/dialer, Exchange mail, browser), I'm tired of Gingerbread quirks, and I don't like the T-Mo Sense skin too much, so I'm running the pure Sense version.

As of a few days ago, running cm7 latest "stable" build. It's the first post-stock rom I've run, and I love it! So far very happy with the seemingly faster smoother experience, and battery so far seems much better than stock. I might get around to trying Royal's as I hear it's even faster and better with battery, but I'm wary of constant flashing lol, I just want a solid steady rom to use as my daily, and so far cm7 running LPP over it has made me happy

Jack_R1 said:
Running eViL's 4G-HD DesireHD port. I found out that when it comes to usability, pure Android is lacking A LOT compared to Sense (specifically - contacts/dialer, Exchange mail, browser), I'm tired of Gingerbread quirks, and I don't like the T-Mo Sense skin too much, so I'm running the pure Sense version.
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I felt the same way until trying Launcher Plus Pro (LPP) - no it's not Sense, but offers many similar sense-like widgets that in my opinion actually work BETTER than their sense counterparts, i.e. the "Friends" LPP widget is SO much faster than Friendstream, and serves the same function, and LPP's calendar widget is much more efficient, you get both grid and agenda in one widget. Add to the widgets the far-superior customizable dock and I haven't looked back. Only drawback to running an AOSP rom over sense is the phone-related ui elements definitely suck, i.e. the dialer screen, etc. Overall though, totally worth the shift for me.

Royal Glacier v1.3. Its all in my signature. Fast and smooth with all the mt4g features available, great on battery life and performance and love the theme also.

boardopboy said:
I've tried most of them, but always find my self coming back to CM7 (7.0.2 currently). I want so badly to run Faux's ASOP, but he stripped out the notification bar power widgets... and I am not sure I can live without them!
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There are widgets in the market that do the same thing.

Faux's ASOP here. It's damn near perfect for me.

running royalglacier 1.3, its fast smooth, and gets awesome battery life. I have yet to try out any gingerbread roms, kinda waiting for the offical update, which may or may not come.

sunsean said:
I felt the same way until trying Launcher Plus Pro (LPP) - no it's not Sense, but offers many similar sense-like widgets that in my opinion actually work BETTER than their sense counterparts, i.e. the "Friends" LPP widget is SO much faster than Friendstream, and serves the same function, and LPP's calendar widget is much more efficient, you get both grid and agenda in one widget. Add to the widgets the far-superior customizable dock and I haven't looked back. Only drawback to running an AOSP rom over sense is the phone-related ui elements definitely suck, i.e. the dialer screen, etc. Overall though, totally worth the shift for me.
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I'm not using Sense for the widgets. Actually, I'm not using a single Sense widget on my 7 screens - even though I really like the full-screen weather animation that comes with HTC clock (but not willing to sacrifice half of my main screen for it).
I've been running LPP on stock Android for a long time using various ROMs on my Nexus One, including Gingerbread versions. The obvious parts of the stock-vs-Sense I already mentioned, but there are less obvious parts. The integration with external dialer in stock Android is bad, different screens coming up one after another for checking missed calls, very slow contact photo rendering on long lists, etc. LPP sucked when taking the phone off the charger every morning, having to restart and reload all the screens. Since GB it also sucked, being unable to do zoom-out and show 7 busy screens without hiccups, having to reload caches after every heavy app launch or charging, and scrolling slowly when using really busy screens. So I stopped using it and dropped GB in favor of Sense, and this preference remained when I moved to MT4G (my wife wanted the Nexus, I finally convinced her to move to Android from her antique WinMo).

boardopboy said:
I've tried most of them, but always find my self coming back to CM7 (7.0.2 currently). I want so badly to run Faux's ASOP, but he stripped out the notification bar power widgets... and I am not sure I can live without them!
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Just get widgetsoid from market, its even better with pop up for brightness and individual volume controls, reboot options, custom intent and more.
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darinmc said:
There are widgets in the market that do the same thing.
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Is there one you would recommended over another?
Edit: Now seeing post above mine... I'll check it out!
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Running CM7 and after they get all the bugs working for the Galaxy Tab, will be giving it a try also.

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[Q] Sense vs CM7

So I recently installed Virtuous Unity. I love it, it's great and runs really well. But coming from CM7, the battery life is not good. In fact, it's about like before I rooted: aka not good enough.
When I check available memory in CM7, I have over 400. In Sense, I usually have under 200 and my battery lasts a third of the time.
Has anyone else found a way around this? I've seen some others talk about the great battery life that this rom offers, but for me it seems to be the only negative. Any suggestions?

i'm on virtuous unity and so far i've had outstanding battery life.
on sense, you can't have as much free memory as an AOSP or stock android rom, because the ui is such a big file, and demands lots of power.
but free memory doesn't really matter

Sure, I see that Sense is more graphically intensive, but I've been going to bed with percentages left in the 60-70% range, and right now headed to bed I'm looking at 26%. When I see what's running, I have crap I haven't turned on (Netflix, Music, Stocks, and many more apps) that are running without being started.
It might be possible to disable that, but I haven't found a way and instead feel like I have a high end non-rooted device. If you're getting good battery life, did you make any adjustments or did I just get unlucky with my flash?

Sense kills the google experience. Its the worst custom skin out there. The only thing I like bout sense is the wifi drivers. They are super strong. Other then that im sticking with cm7/AOSP roms. No bloat on AOSP. To give you an idea what im talking bout. Average sense rom=315 mb average AOSP rom=90 mb sooooooo what's wrong with this picture. I've seen some sense roms up to 450mb which is straight retarded. Stick with AOSP.
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I love my virtuous unity rom, I don't know bout you guys but I get excellent battery life for a smart phone. Yeah cm7 could give me an extra 10% but its just so damn ugly it ruins my phone,makes it look old and cheap. The only thing I miss is the scrolling wallpaper I hate that virtuous can't do but hey its the price you gotta pay for an elegant phone. But to all their own.
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I like both. I have no problem with either, I'm just really enjoying Sense 3.0 and it's lock screen, weather and smooth animation. It's not lagging for me either, which is nice. But it's not a 10% battery difference. More like 40%. If I have 65% on CM7 and 25% on Virtuous Unity at the end of the day...
If there's nothing that can be done that's cool, I'll flip flip back and forth at will I suppose. But the purpose of this thread was to see if anything can be done to improve the battery life.

ULTIMATEHURT said:
Sense kills the google experience. Its the worst custom skin out there.
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Huh? Have you used Touchwiz or how can anything be worse than Motoblur? I'd have to say Sense is one of the best overlay UIs out of the bunch but I prefer AOSP experience. I would like to have the Sense Widgets and apps to choose but I like the speed and customization I have now.

kalel33 said:
Huh? Have you used Touchwiz or how can anything be worse than Motoblur? I'd have to say Sense is one of the best overlay UIs out of the bunch but I prefer AOSP experience. I would like to have the Sense Widgets and apps to choose but I like the speed and customization I have now.
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Generally, plain Android fans don't care what custom UI you're talking about, they're going to hate and say it sucks no matter what.

I certainly didn't mean to start a flame war on which is best. I really do like aspects of each. But the battery life is not good on that rom compared to CM7. Not even close.

In that case - look for the differences, they're in your 3rd party apps or ROM settings. Most people, including myself, get very good battery life with VU.

Sense is definitely not the worst.. That trophy goes to MotoBlur by far. I think Sense is the second best overlay next to TouchWiz 4.0
But to answer your question I'm actually getting a little less battery than AOSP, which is really good for VU. To extend your battery life have you tried re-calibrating it? That should help a lot. Also you can try using ADW or LPP for your Launcher because the Sense launcher takes up so much RAM. But of course then you'd be killing half of the Sense experience. But I don't use the Sense widgets all that much so maybe you won't mind going that direction.

Best Rom! (Include Screenshots of any kind)

I NEED to find the best ROM out there for the G2/Desire Z! let me know what you think it is!!
-Post what rom it is.. INCLUDING Build Number
-Explain why it is the best!
-Post a screenshot of your favorite screen i.e wallpaper..favorite widget etc..
If you could, let me know how good battery life is and stability!
-Looking for an everyday rom.. if possible
-Thanks!

I've tested several ROMs on my DZ and now I use Vision Unity.
It's basicly a 2.1/3.0 Sense hybrid ROM giving you real eye-candy.
In the latest version (1.29.0) I found some bugs/disadvantages:
- the homescreen does not rotate on keyboard open
- sometimes it lags a bit
- it takes about 300 MB ram after start, leaving you just about 70MB free (other roms are much better in this criteria)
- I experienced already few times sudden phone restart (phone just lying on table, no aggresive apps run like 3d games etc, and after few hours I take the phone and it asks for PIN) = pretty critical if you wait for an important call.
but among the roms I've tried, this seems far the best if you decide to have HTC Sense. If you can miss sense, stick to CM7, there are really cool features like finetuning the display auto brightness intensity levels (really killer feature to battery life!)

I enjoy Virtuous Sense 2.0.0 because I find it to be consistently fast and responsive, everything works for me all the time, and I still have enough ram to run a couple of apps in the background, unlike every sense 3.0 rom/hybrid I've tried.
Highly highly recommended.
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aad4321 said:
I like sticking to the bone stock android. I have downgraded to android 1.5 and I can say I LOVE it. If you like ANDROID, Then get 1.5
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LMFAO.

Cyanogen MOD 7 RC 1 or if your so inclined, nightly build #156.
- So far after testing a few ROM I've been back to CM7. Why? Once installed and running and even with keep all my favourite apps open and running in the background, I still manage to keep about 80mb of ram and CPU usage is usually between 2% and 82% with an average of 4 or 5 programs running. Ok a bit excessive I know but it still works.
I have custom memory script running that's available here on XDA and various other gadget. Battery life is usually fairly consistent with 1day 9hours of use. I use the device quite a bit in a day.
Power saving options: Brightness is set to 20% only, Juice Defender installed.
Running background application is limited to my email mostly unless I'm doing some work. Most of the time email, exchange, Facebook and twitter are sync.
I'm using Launcher Pro with the license for my main interface. Here are some screen captures for your pleasure.

aad4321 said:
I like sticking to the bone stock android. I have downgraded to android 1.5 and I can say I LOVE it. If you like ANDROID, Then get 1.5
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...like, donut, dude? You are my hero
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aad4321 said:
I like sticking to the bone stock android. I have downgraded to android 1.5 and I can say I LOVE it. If you like ANDROID, Then get 1.5
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How would I go about doing that??
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DroidCell said:
How would I go about doing that??
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Too bad you're probably right. I would have been pumped if someone ported a G1 rom for the vision XD
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Personally, my favorite ROM is MIUI.us
The stock Music app in it, is my favorite music app by far, I especially love how it not only gets the lyrics, but also scrolls them karaoke style with the song. It also has a nice theming system, and a great built in theme. Everything overall looks nicer than stock Android.
Another great thing about it is the status bar, you can enable/disable USB Mass Storage using an on/off slider in the notifications, and I love the way the switches work in the status bar.
Then there's the stock Launcher, which is much nicer than the stock Android launcher in my opinion, though I still replace it with Go Launcher, again, my personal favorite.
If you're looking for a responsive, nice looking, and user friendly ROM, MIUI.us would be my suggestion. It also has a nice backup feature with their servers. You just need to make an MIUI account. Not sure if it's still necessary, but back when I did it, I had to go to the chinese MIUI website and use Google Translate to make my account <_<

sorgo said:
I've tested several ROMs on my DZ and now I use Vision Unity.
It's basicly a 2.1/3.0 Sense hybrid ROM giving you real eye-candy.
In the latest version (1.29.0) I found some bugs/disadvantages:
- the homescreen does not rotate on keyboard open
- sometimes it lags a bit
- it takes about 300 MB ram after start, leaving you just about 70MB free (other roms are much better in this criteria)
- I experienced already few times sudden phone restart (phone just lying on table, no aggresive apps run like 3d games etc, and after few hours I take the phone and it asks for PIN) = pretty critical if you wait for an important call.
but among the roms I've tried, this seems far the best if you decide to have HTC Sense. If you can miss sense, stick to CM7, there are really cool features like finetuning the display auto brightness intensity levels (really killer feature to battery life!)
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Amen, Brotha

The best rom is hardest to define because it's really up to personally preference. MIUI? Sure if you're into that whole thing,but frankly I have trust issues with Chinese tech companies for reasons that have been in the news here and there.
Cyanogenmod is a great AOSP rom even though it's not 100% AOSP it's quick, intuitive, and has lots of options that would allow you to customize it as you want.
There are other roms such as OTA roms that have been made that are also very quick, but not quite as intuitive and they are not as easily customized as some other roms.
Now we get into Sense. There are ports of great roms from other devices that may have a minor bug here and there. Unity is a great rom but I know it needs work on it simply because of little bugs here and there, lack of ram of the Vision, and the battery drain of 1.31 is not so appealing. These roms do not perform as well as Sense roms made for the Desire Z, how ever you do not have some sense 3.0 features that make Sense so much more enjoyable to use.
I currently run Virtuous Sense v2.0.0 and it's a very quick rom, but it lacks the eye candy that we all would love with Unity. However what I love about the sense community is that there are many themes and many ways to enhance sense with add-ons here and there which I have done.
I want to clearly state that this is just my opinion and you should try out the roms for your self to get your own opinion and know your personal preference what appeals to one person is not always the same as the next.

Virtuous unity 1.31
Just test it , good for daily use

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Super cm7 is still my favorite. I keep trying other roms but I always come back to this one because it is super fast and clean. Mexdroid is pretty good to but it is too themed for me. I think they are working on a more stock version which could be pretty sweet.
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ChristianFS1 said:
Amen, Brotha
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Actually, I'm now running the "Virtuous Sense v2.0.0 :: Enhanced & Optimized Stock ROM (2.42.405.2)". I miss the Sense 3.0 features, but I can try to flash some available mods. Especially the brightness setting in the quick setting.
But it's a small tax for a stable ROM without restarts.

AOSP...WTH is that?

Well I know what it is, best thing to ever have on my htc hero when I owned one. But now it seems like AOSP is almost non existant on here. I love AOSP, and I love sense. There both awesome IMO. I would stick with AOSP if it had reflow capability. But seriously....what happened to the huge AOSP fanbase? Sense 3.0...the new AOSP.
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Users are addicted to the Eye Crack.. ie Sense 3.x

IMO miui has more eye candy than sense 3.x
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in all honesty sense is much more functional than aosp, when choosing asop over sense, the tradeoffs are wayyy to much and this is coming from someone who who used to go hard with cyanogen, decks, and salvage.
im bact to sense now, nocturnals stock rom but rooted with all bloat removed. i forgot how fast and responsive my phone could be!
needless to say im happy to be back to sense

i keep sense and AOSP booted. I like the functionality and lightness of AOSP, but there are couple little things on sense that I like as well. Cameras, calendar, and weather primarily, but when I don't feel like charging my battery every 6 hours, I switch back to salvagemod or MIUI.

Toney Starks said:
in all honesty sense is much more functional than aosp, when choosing asop over sense, the tradeoffs are wayyy to much and this is coming from someone who who used to go hard with cyanogen, decks, and salvage.
im bact to sense now, nocturnals stock rom but rooted with all bloat removed. i forgot how fast and responsive my phone could be!
needless to say im happy to be back to sense
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Toney Starks said:
in all honesty sense is much more functional than aosp, when choosing asop over sense, the tradeoffs are wayyy to much and this is coming from someone who who used to go hard with cyanogen, decks, and salvage.
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I hope by "functional" you mean out of the box. There is almost nothing you can do with Sense that you can't do with AOSP. It may require some tweaking to get it the way you want, but you can do anything you want with AOSP and, as a general rule, it is much faster than Sense.

I believe in the last couple week I have been through and checked out over a dozen ROMs. I love the speed of aosp roms but I keep coming back to sense because there are some functions and widgets I do like that I just cannot get. I normally get 24 hours on average for a single charge on any sense rom after playing with kernels and battery tweaks. Both are great. Just depends on my mood and how often I want change.

kf2m said:
Users are addicted to the Eye Crack.. ie Sense 3.x
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Nailed it! Sense 3.x is new but still hogs system memory and cpu. If I want a Sense ROM I go back to stock rooted ROMs. None of this 3.x stuff. I use LauncherPro+ anyway, so the eye "crack" is useless.
Art2Fly said:
IMO miui has more eye candy than sense 3.x
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I agree, but it is missing 4G, which is why I haven't made it more than a day using it. :-(
Toney Starks said:
in all honesty sense is much more functional than aosp, when choosing asop over sense, the tradeoffs are wayyy to much and this is coming from someone who who used to go hard with cyanogen, decks, and salvage.
im bact to sense now, nocturnals stock rom but rooted with all bloat removed. i forgot how fast and responsive my phone could be!
needless to say im happy to be back to sense
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I go back an forth between Sense stock and DecksGB. I also like the stability with stock Sense ROMs, but hate the way it looks. I found that Deck got it right with his AOSP ROM.
I am sure AOSP ROMs will start showing up again once Ice Cream Sandwich makes its way out.

AirborneCmH said:
I believe in the last couple week I have been through and checked out over a dozen ROMs. I love the speed of aosp roms but I keep coming back to sense because there are some functions and widgets I do like that I just cannot get. I normally get 24 hours on average for a single charge on any sense rom after playing with kernels and battery tweaks. Both are great. Just depends on my mood and how often I want change.
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What functions and Widgets are you talking about? You can pretty much replicate sense just from simply searching on the market.

roids87 said:
What functions and Widgets are you talking about? You can pretty much replicate sense just from simply searching on the market.
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I agree..and I'll admit that sense has it's pros but it's so bland. Even the themes r stale. Not to knock on the hard work that the devs put in on all things sense, but customization goes right out the window... I've gone through all and will always stick with aosp. I use WL and launcherpro/golauncher and it's beautiful. My fone will never look like anyone else's.
nobody calls my EVO a fizzle and gets away with it!!

I keep MikG sense and
MIUI aosp NADROID on my SD card
I just get beeter battery life on aosp with tiamat sbc kernels.
But when i travel to a 4G city I nandroid to MikG
But it seems the choices have been whittled down since the gingerbread update.
Decks,salvage Zen,Cmod, and MIUI
MikG, Virus,Fresh,,synergy.
unless you want to be on a dead ROM.
Here is a good page to check rom updates...
http://evo4g.roms-db.com/
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Always have and probably always will hate sense. I run Miui or Evo Deck exclusively.
My next phone will likely be a Nexus S, even though I love htc phones.