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$10 monthly charge... (Not for 4g)

It's funny, until sprint started in with BS explainations for the charge I had no problem at all with it. I was told when I bought the Epic that the charge was a network charge for 4g. And that was at a sprint store.
As a matter of fact, I was totally cool with it! And cool with it knowing it'd probably be a year minimum until I had the service because I live in a small town about 150 miles from Denver.
When it wasn't cool with me is when they started saying crap like this: http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/53633;
What do you guys think? I'm pretty annoyed by it at this point.

Wasn't it the senator from WV that said "if you're gonna get raped, maybe you should just lay back and enjoy it?"
I like to think of the $10 bull$hit fee as that. Even though it's complete and utter BS, they tacked it on, and if you want one of the power phones, you'll just have to deal with it, so you might as well just pay up and enjoy the awesome phone.

quit *****ing.... its obvious its to build a network that needs to be paid off... you dont want that $10 fee get a different phone

setox said:
quit *****ing.... its obvious its to build a network that needs to be paid off... you dont want that $10 fee get a different phone
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I'm not *****ing FYI. I don't like people that I pay almost $200 a month for almost 8 years piping smoke up my ass.
But then if you'd have actually read the post and the provided link you'd have probably understood that..

jirafabo said:
Wasn't it the senator from WV that said "if you're gonna get raped, maybe you should just lay back and enjoy it?"
I like to think of the $10 bull$hit fee as that. Even though it's complete and utter BS, they tacked it on, and if you want one of the power phones, you'll just have to deal with it, so you might as well just pay up and enjoy the awesome phone.
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I agree %100 with ya. I think they need to call it what it is, like the rep I bought my phone from did.

i was just talking to my friend about this yesterday, Im under his family plan and its crap the **** they are charging for. Between the two of us its 120 each a month. and like 4g we are not able to use it, now if that 10 bucks was being used to expand the network so I could use it, I would be fine with it. But the link says its not for the network...what BS

That might be the dumbest thing I've ever read...
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I just came from sprint after being away from them for a year with the ass raping big red. Trust me when i say that sprint's plans are way better then a lot of carriers out there. The only reason i left them a year ago is because of service in my area wasn't the best but i have moved and have 5 bars. Anywho, it is only costing my wife and i 129.99 (2 smart phones) a month for 1500 minutes then unlimited everything else plus the $10.00 4g charge (which is labeled that way on my bill and explained to me by every rep in person and on the phone that way.) my verizon bill for 1 smart phone and 1 multi-media phone was 170.00 a month for 1400 minutes.
So if you want to ***** about 10 a month and being ass raped then get a pay by the minute phone and don't buy the latest and greatest thing. This is the problem with our society is that we just want to ***** rather then find a solution. Also, nothing is free and a new technology network needs to be paid for. Prolly when you renew contract after 2 years you won't have to pay anymore and the network will be everywhere 3g is as all phones will prolly be 4g.
So again. STOP *****ING

I think you guys are missing the point... the point is that Sprint is lying about the $10 charge not being for 4g access... If anyone were to call Sprint and ask them about it they will feed you the same BS line they fed me... "its because of the HD content the Epic and Evo recieve , that's its constantly updating and that's its a charge to cover all that extra data"... Which we all know to be pure crap... Now you must ask yourself... "why doesn't Sprint just fess up and say yeah it is for 4g access"... Well let me tell you, if they were to announce that it is for 4g access then they would have to bring 4G access to all markets... Which they have no control over because if you did some research you would find that Sprint 4G isn't really Sprint's... Their entire 4g network belongs to Clearwire, a wireless competitor. Which is why there has been so much controversy over it... in fact a class action lawsuit has already been filed and is widely published on the web... just google Sprint 4g Class Action Lawsuit... Now I've been a loyal Sprint customer for the past 10 years and quite frankly I would be completely fine with paying the $10 if they would just admit to what it is really for and not insult the intelligence of their customers saying that its for the "Premium Content" for the Epic and Evo knowing full well that the exact same content can be found on the Hero or any other non-4g device.
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They really are dude. I spelled it out in the OP so I don't get it.
I've never even considered another carrier. I love sprint's service. As a matter of fact. My wife stil has verizon and I refuse to switch. I've been with them for years and won't do it. So between us we pay almost $400 to verizon and sprint. And we constantly argue which is better,even thoughshe knows sprint is! So I'm a fanboy lol

I dislike being lied to and I dislike being called 'whiny' or '*****y' or being told to 'shut up' when I am merely expressing an opinion. It was my understanding that I was free to post my opinion on these boards. This is the second time this has come up and I am going to re post what I said in the last thread:
raylusk said:
Tell me what law sprint violated. They didn't violate any. Your only argument is that you deserve a good phone. If you can't do better than that you should just let this discussion drop. The fact is that in a competative market companies can charge what they want and we as consumers can chose to pay or go somewhere else. Well if the issue was that important to you go somewhere else. Of course you will still pay more than you pay at sprint.
The other things you cited are also abuses of the courts and the taxpayers. It doesn't make this particular abuse any better. Like I said you have made it clear that you knew about the fee prior to purchasing your phone yet purchased it anyway. What law do you think should allow the government to intervene and change the agreement you made. Would that be the law of fairness? Or how about the law of I deserve a top of the line phone? I am being sarcastic here but would truly like to hear what law sprint has violated. So far no one has been able to answer this. Even the attorney for the case says he is investigating to see if sprint violated any laws.
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Actually, recently Verizon as well as many other carriers were sued successfully due to their policies of ETFs being a violation of consumers rights even though those signing up knew about the ETFs. The issue was that someone who had a month left on their contract had to pay the same fee as someone who was canceling a month into the plan and thus was a violation of their rights.
Now I'm going to pull a sly little trick:
The issue was that someone who had a month left on their contract had to pay the same fee to cancel their contract as someone who was canceling a month into the plan and thus was a violation of their rights.
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Watch this!
The issue was that someone who had no 4g coverage had to pay the same fee to use 4g as someone who had 4g coverage and thus was a violation of their rights.
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Oh gosh! By changing just the words of the type of fee its the same circumstance!
Also, part of the reason I'm on Sprint is that my area gets terrible cell reception in general and other cell carriers have actually allowed me to cancel service without incurring an ETF because I could not use the service for which I was paying. I knew I was signing up for a cellular service and they would charge me but because I could not use their service they allowed me to get out of my contract. Again, same situation.
Even if we look at the fact they say its for the extra data you're going to use, I'm paying for unlimited data. So lets go to an analogy: I go to a buffet. I'm a small guy, so they know I probably won't eat a lot. A fat guy comes in behind me so they believe he will eat more than me so they charge him an addition fee to eat at the buffet even though the fee covers "all you can eat." That is a violation of consumer rights.
I understand that Sprint is cheaper but paying $10 a month basically because I chose to buy a better phone is absurd.
In addition, if Sprint were in the process of rolling out coverage to where I live, or even where I will be moving in 8 months, I'd pay. I'd pay oh-so-willingly. I'd be unhappy that they were lying about what the charge was for, but I would pay. But they're not. So I'm being lied to and I'm paying for YOUR service, so I have every god damned right to be ****ing angry about it.

dantichrist said:
I agree %100 with ya. I think they need to call it what it is, like the rep I bought my phone from did.
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They can't just call it what it is, because then there would be a bunch of butthurt people trying to sue them because they cannot use the service they are paying for. Its a lot easier for everyone to understand that its for the 4g, but for corporate to stick to the line that its for the high end devices features. Its obvious its for the 4g service, and even then you have people complaining and calling for class action lawsuits against sprint. I am sure that the Sprint's legal team have figured out that they are safer describing at a corporate level that the fee is for the high end phone and not the high end service. And I am also sure that Sprint has made it known to employees to describe the fee as a 4g charge, so that if any customer complains to corporate, they can just pass it off as some misinformed store employee.

muyoso said:
They can't just call it what it is, because then there would be a bunch of butthurt people trying to sue them because they cannot use the service they are paying for. Its a lot easier for everyone to understand that its for the 4g, but for corporate to stick to the line that its for the high end devices features. Its obvious its for the 4g service, and even then you have people complaining and calling for class action lawsuits against sprint.
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People like you are so hilarious. You're only real arguments are name-calling and immaturity. You present no evidence except opinion and childish insults.

kenvan19 said:
People like you are so hilarious. You're only real arguments are name-calling and immaturity. You present no evidence except opinion and childish insults.
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Wut? I didn't call anyone a name, and nothing I said was immature unless you really want to nitpick my word choice. Would it make you cry less if I changed "butthurt" to "offended"?

muyoso said:
They can't just call it what it is, because then there would be a bunch of butthurt people trying to sue them because they cannot use the service they are paying for. Its a lot easier for everyone to understand that its for the 4g, but for corporate to stick to the line that its for the high end devices features. Its obvious its for the 4g service, and even then you have people complaining and calling for class action lawsuits against sprint. I am sure that the Sprint's legal team have figured out that they are safer describing at a corporate level that the fee is for the high end phone and not the high end service. And I am also sure that Sprint has made it known to employees to describe the fee as a 4g charge, so that if any customer complains to corporate, they can just pass it off as some misinformed store employee.
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Actually no they do not in any way describe it as a charge for 4g, in fact if you were to call customer service they will tell you exactly what was told to me in my previous post, and then if you decided to call them on it they will simply tell you that in order to have that device active on the account you MUST have that particular billing code.... And to even further prove my point, the next day I got a automated call survey about my interaction with customer service... When I rated it low, I received a call afew hours later from a Customer Satisfaction rep and when I explained my issue, guess what she told me.... thats right.... the EXACT same thing.. "Oh, you are getting that charge because the Evo and Epic are cutting edge devices and because of that fact they are constantly connecting to the web and updating apps and what not" at which point I did a facepalm and promptly disconnected the call.

Did you read my post? I clearly explained that Corporate will always stick to the line that its for a high end device, most likely because of some stupid legal issue. The employees at the stores however ALWAYS tell you its for the 4g service. I have spoken to at least half a dozen when I was buying my phone, and EVERY ONE of them described it as a 4g fee.
Also, this is how its described on my online bill.
Premium Data (required for this device)
$10.00
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Then you are lucky to have such honest sales reps in your area... My sales rep didn't even tell me about the charge and I had to find out on my bill... and thus the reason for my frustrating call to Customer Service

Sleeth7 said:
Then you are lucky to have such honest sales reps in your area... My sales rep didn't even tell me about the charge and I had to find out on my bill... and thus the reason for my frustrating call to Customer Service
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Jesus, thats pretty ****ty. I would have been pissed too.

No doubt! And the problem is that it's a your word against his if you complained about it. That really sucks. I'm glad because the reps here are really cool.

muyoso said:
Jesus, thats pretty ****ty. I would have been pissed too.
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And if you are curious about the legal issue as to why they cannot call the charge 4g access or whatever, it's because Sprint has no control over where they can offer 4g access... Their entire 4g network is piggybacking off of Clearwire and for people in areas like myself with 0 Clearwire presence within a 300 mile radius... We are pretty much SOL. So by calling it "Premium Data" and linking it to the phone they can charge anyone with the device... vs calling it 4g Access then people can call up and say "I have no 4g in my area so take it off until it is active here"

got "the call" today

...informing me my account was being cancelled for excessive roaming data usage. I knew it was being throttled and it's why I'm switching providers and already have a phone with a different provider. I wasn't abusing it, but when sprint changed the terms of their service agreement when I got my evo it put me in a bad spot because I work in the mountains of CO 2 days a week and have a lot of down time to watch videos. Previously, my grandfathered SERO plan had no restrictions on data usage. 10 years with Sprint and this is the call. Awesome.

Some will tell you this is a blessing.

jorpe said:
...informing me my account was being cancelled for excessive roaming data usage. I knew it was being throttled and it's why I'm switching providers and already have a phone with a different provider. I wasn't abusing it, but when sprint changed the terms of their service agreement when I got my evo it put me in a bad spot because I work in the mountains of CO 2 days a week and have a lot of down time to watch videos. Previously, my grandfathered SERO plan had no restrictions on data usage. 10 years with Sprint and this is the call. Awesome.
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See ya....

swaze said:
See ya....
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and I thought we were all just becoming BFF

Out of curiosity, were you using the verizon prl? Or a regular sprint one.

jorpe said:
...informing me my account was being cancelled for excessive roaming data usage. I knew it was being throttled and it's why I'm switching providers and already have a phone with a different provider. I wasn't abusing it, but when sprint changed the terms of their service agreement when I got my evo it put me in a bad spot because I work in the mountains of CO 2 days a week and have a lot of down time to watch videos. Previously, my grandfathered SERO plan had no restrictions on data usage. 10 years with Sprint and this is the call. Awesome.
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Huh?
You knew you were being throttled?
You're right, you are now because you're with another provider (and they all do except att that just doesn't have unlimited)
Sprint doesn't throttle phones.

I sort of want to be canceled because I want to switch to Verizon or AT&T.
I know how to do the Verizon prl. My question is, are they making you pay an ETF? And, if they cancel you, do the do anything with your ESN? Will I be able to sell my phone to cover the cost of a new phone on another provider?
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aimbdd said:
Out of curiosity, were you using the verizon prl? Or a regular sprint one.
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Just a regular sprint one, I think I was on the 190.001 or whatever the number was. If that's not the one you were talking about either way I didnt do any of the semi-shady flashing anything to Verizon.

josh995 said:
I sort of want to be canceled because I want to switch to Verizon or AT&T.
I know how to do the Verizon prl. My question is, are they making you pay an ETF? And, if they cancel you, do the do anything with your ESN? Will I be able to sell my phone to cover the cost of a new phone on another provider?
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Unfortunately they dont make you pay an etf although they should make you pay extra for every KB of abuse.
Hopefully they lock down your esn so it can never be used again.
You want out of contract? Be a man and pay the etf.
No one made you sign the contract but you.

mattykinsx said:
Huh?
You knew you were being throttled?
You're right, you are now because you're with another provider (and they all do except att that just doesn't have unlimited)
Sprint doesn't throttle phones.
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Maybe I wasn't being throttled. Up until 2 months ago when I was out of normal coverage I could still watch things on megavideo. Within the last 2 months all of the sudden I cant even get data coverage that is fast enough to sync my email without timing out. This area is covered with a Verizon 3G signal. This has happened with 2 different EVOs on stock ROMs and steel H rooted rom as well as myn's 2.2 RLS5 ROM

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Unfortunately they dont make you pay an etf although they should make you pay extra for every KB of abuse.
Hopefully they lock down your esn so it can never be used again.
You want out of contract? Be a man and pay the etf.
No one made you sign the contract but you.
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I know nobody made me sign the contract. I could pay the ETF. I just don't want to. That's the beauty of America. I don't have to do anything I don't want to, and there's a way around everything.
Thank you.
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mattykinsx said:
Unfortunately they dont make you pay an etf although they should make you pay extra for every KB of abuse.
Hopefully they lock down your esn so it can never be used again.
You want out of contract? Be a man and pay the etf.
No one made you sign the contract but you.
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I think this isn't even remotely directed at me (I see who you quoted) but on the chance that it is... I wasn't doing any of that and am not under contract with Sprint and haven't been since December. Before I got my EVO and had a winmo phone my grandfathered SERO plan had a $5 option for data roaming while off the sprint network as long as it didn't go above a certain percentage of your usage, which it shouldnt have ever anyways because unless I'm snowboarding or exploring CO I'm not off Sprint coverage more than 2x a week

josh995 said:
I know nobody made me sign the contract. I could pay the ETF. I just don't want to. That's the beauty of America. I don't have to do anything I don't want to, and there's a way around everything.
Thank you.
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And this is why America is going down the drain, people don't take responsibility for their actions, they screw everyone over to save themselves. What a sad country we live in.
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josh995 said:
I know nobody made me sign the contract. I could pay the ETF. I just don't want to. That's the beauty of America. I don't have to do anything I don't want to, and there's a way around everything.
Thank you.
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I'm going to bold what I'm about to say because you need to understand it.
This behavior right here, your behavior, is the PROBLEM.
It is EXACTLY WHY carriers get away with throttling and limiting and ****ing the customer.
It is EXACTLY WHY there is always a new law to bend people over even more.
You're not just ruining it for Sprint customers, you're ruining it for everyone in society and the day this is understood is the day we might actually be able to mature as a people.

Hey, I think you guys should lay off the guy. It wasn't his daily there was no Sprint coverage. And this is America, he has every right not having to pay an etf because Spring decides they've had enough. So bottom line, go troll somewhere else, this guy doesn't deserve it.
I feel bad for you man, hang in there!
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Make way for the "you should do what's right" police :rolls eyes:

chickut123 said:
Hey, I think you guys should lay off the guy. It wasn't his daily there was no Sprint coverage. And this is America, he has every right not having to pay an etf because Spring decides they've had enough. So bottom line, go troll somewhere else, this guy doesn't deserve it.
I feel bad for you man, hang in there!
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If Sprint stops providing coverage in your area then they have to waive your ETF and that is a separate issue.
However, if you sign up for Sprint and you use the coverage and then just decide you don't want it anymore and therefore are going to abuse your way out then you can honestly go jump off a bridge.
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Make way for the "you should do what's right" police :rolls eyes:
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Sorry, I forgot, it's "cool" to abuse situations in life whenever possible and to **** others over.
Our bad, bro.

He said he isn't using a verizon prl, it is obviously bad coverage. Not his fault.
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mattykinsx said:
Sorry, I forgot, it's "cool" to abuse situations in life whenever possible and to **** others over.
Our bad, bro.
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Now you're learning man good for you! Living is all about bending life over and taking what you want. In order for this to work you will have to break rules and abuse the system sometimes. Nice guys will always finish last Matty.....

That's exactly what I'm going to do.
I'm going to abuse Sprint's roaming policy to get out of my contract.
If you don't like it, you're the one who can jump off a bridge.
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"Unlimited data"???

I'm not sure if this has been covered but why the [email protected]#k is tmobile allowed to advertise "unlimited data" when in actuality its throttled after a certain point? I know its a matter of symantics but its just another case of people being lied to more or less. Once its throttled you might as well not have data capabilities at all.

staunty said:
I'm not sure if this has been covered but why the [email protected]#k is tmobile allowed to advertise "unlimited data" when in actuality its throttled after a certain point? I know its a matter of symantics but its just another case of people being lied to more or less. Once its throttled you might as well not have data capabilities at all.
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Technically by legal definition it is unlimited data. They are not charging you more for extra data. They are not preventing you from using said data.
But i agree Unlimited, would also include unrestricted, full speed access, without limitations.
It's a play on wording is all it is. Sucks none the less but it is what it is.

Lets arrange a class action law suit!

eqjunkie829 said:
Lets arrange a class action law suit!
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you will not have a foot to stand on. It is legally unlimited data.

neidlinger said:
you will not have a foot to stand on. It is legally unlimited data.
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Thats never stopped people from filing lawsuits

eqjunkie829 said:
Thats never stopped people from filing lawsuits
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I won't contest that. This is America and we have stupid people who sue over stupid reason. But if i were a judge, I'd throw the case out and lock everyone away who was involved with the case away for "mental instability".

Email sent to Dan Hesse

I sent an email to Dan Hesse (no im not gullable enough to think he is actually going to read it) asking why they took away the tethering feature with this update. I konw most of you are rooted here and this doesn't affect you but this was a big deal. I bought this phone for this reason and now it is gone, how is that legal? Anyone else want to get a class action lawsuit going?

cardsfan01 said:
I sent an email to Dan Hesse (no im not gullable enough to think he is actually going to read it) asking why they took away the tethering feature with this update. I konw most of you are rooted here and this doesn't affect you but this was a big deal. I bought this phone for this reason and now it is gone, how is that legal? Anyone else want to get a class action lawsuit going?
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Free tethering wasn't a feature you signed onto when you signed your contract. It was a nice little extra that Android provided which is clearly not what the carriers wanted and for which they now took away.

Did you see that Sprint just had a net loss of almost 850 million dollars... Despite a GAIN of 1 million subscribers. They have to do something lol.
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I was pissed about that as well, mostly because when I bought the phone the rep said it was a feature of the phone and since google was in charge of updates that sprint couldn't take it away. However, in another thread someone pointed out to me that tethering is an explicit violation of the terms of service agreement and the phone is subsidized by sprint so they are not really doing anything that you could sue them about. It is disappointing, but at least getting it back is easy through rooting.

Is this thread serious?
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the tethering app itself is there and still works, it does what the app is supposed to do. sprint how ever just disabled the connection on their end to accounts that dont have the add on........which is totally their right to do. while the app comes with the phone is free no one ever said the service was included

ryno502 said:
Did you see that Sprint just had a net loss of almost 850 million dollars... Despite a GAIN of 1 million subscribers. They have to do something lol.
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More than 600,000 of those were in the prepaid sector. They actually had a net loss of more than 100,000 in the post paid sector.
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With Sprint I sort of understand the legitimacy of wanting to charge extra for tethering, since they have true unlimited data and people who tether regularly can use an assload of bandwidth. But the other carriers all cap their data plans and charge extra for tethering. That is bullcrap.

Just root your phone and install tether and stop complaining... it takes 5 seconds.

i dont use the tether and dont have any plans to, i agree that using the rooted one is all too easy (its what 99% of teh rest of the android population have to do).
BUT
i do believe its rather annoying that the nexus 1 came and went with free tethering, the nexus s is on so many different carriers domestic and international.. yet sprint is the first one to throw up a fit about tethering. not saying that its wrong for them to, just feeling like a red headed stepchild of the nexus s family.

cardsfan01 said:
I sent an email to Dan Hesse (no im not gullable enough to think he is actually going to read it) asking why they took away the tethering feature with this update. I konw most of you are rooted here and this doesn't affect you but this was a big deal. I bought this phone for this reason and now it is gone, how is that legal? Anyone else want to get a class action lawsuit going?
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The free tether was not advertised as being free it was never writter or expressed. You just got a free bonus. IMO. Also the free tether was supposed to be remove on the update that occurred right after the phone was launched and it wasn't. I suggest rooting your phone its easy with an untold amount of benefits.

Does the removal of free tethering constitute as change in contract ? I would love to get out of my contract without penalty.

wow I love how people get up on a soapbox and complain without research first.
Free tethering was never offically free from sprint. So you want to cancel your contract/send emails/get red in the face over something that most people already knew.
get over it there are ways around these things which for the most part why we are all here to enhance our phones.

teshxx said:
Does the removal of free tethering constitute as change in contract ? I would love to get out of my contract without penalty.
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Read your contract and let me know if you see free tethering in there
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hellcatt said:
the tethering app itself is there and still works, it does what the app is supposed to do. sprint how ever just disabled the connection on their end to accounts that dont have the add on........which is totally their right to do. while the app comes with the phone is free no one ever said the service was included
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I thought the 2.3.5 update is what disable it? If so, that is hardly "on their end." It's on our end, inside our own hardware which we purchased.
Unless I am mistaken and they rolled out a network change at the exact same moment as a software change. But if they were magically blocking tethering from their end... then wouldn't it block our rooted tethering too?
I agree it's not the end of the world and rooted tether is easy. But I think it might be inaccurate to say an update to our phones is happening on their end.

DirtyShroomz said:
Read your contract and let me know if you see free tethering in there
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If the purchase contract to my car said I couldn't drive it while chewing gum, I'd walk out of the dealer. If the purchase contracts for ALL cars said that, I'd buy one of them and then go home and break the terms.
Just because it's in the contract doesn't mean it is right. We pay for a DATA service to a piece of hardware. What we do with data that has been fed into that device is our own decision, morally and logically. Sprint does not govern the airwaves in my own house that originate from a piece of hardware I own.
In reality it's not a big deal, but in principle it is 100% wrong.

The111 said:
If the purchase contract to my car said I couldn't drive it while chewing gum, I'd walk out of the dealer. If the purchase contracts for ALL cars said that, I'd buy one of them and then go home and break the terms.
Just because it's in the contract doesn't mean it is right. We pay for a DATA service to a piece of hardware. What we do with data that has been fed into that device is our own decision, morally and logically. Sprint does not govern the airwaves in my own house that originate from a piece of hardware I own.
In reality it's not a big deal, but in principle it is 100% wrong.
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The DATA service to use the phone as a wireless hotspot/tether is an extra $29.99, whether we agree with that or not. If you don't think a contract is right then you don't sign it/use the service.

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If the purchase contract to my car said I couldn't drive it while chewing gum, I'd walk out of the dealer. If the purchase contracts for ALL cars said that, I'd buy one of them and then go home and break the terms.
Just because it's in the contract doesn't mean it is right. We pay for a DATA service to a piece of hardware. What we do with data that has been fed into that device is our own decision, morally and logically. Sprint does not govern the airwaves in my own house that originate from a piece of hardware I own.
In reality it's not a big deal, but in principle it is 100% wrong.
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Your fight is with congress. Verizon/at&t/comcast/etc they lobbied pretty hard so that net neutrality not be on wireless lines. So the government has allowed from now and out what can be defined as a data over wireless. So what if sprint wants to charge you extra on your contract for a smartphone when you want to use their network for serving up data for laptops/some use for Xbox live and stuff if it is needed so badly on the users end to have mobile data well.
So think about if sprint were to allow free tethering on all phones, well businesses would flock to them for company plans to cut costs, and the flocks of data whores out there that love to rack up data on their phones. Our network would blow, congestion please.
Sprint and wireless telcos don't govern all the airwaves in your own house just the frequencies they use to provide you with a service which at signing is for that piece of hardware you bought from them, then activated that hardware on their network.
This by no means is me getting angry with you but hopefully more people will read this and look this up and let the information flow out. Our government is to blame allowing this to happen. By allowing them to define mobile data is why we have to pay the most expensive data rates for texting and such.
Now imagine this verizon which is new kinda to home tv and high speed fiber to the home. Perhaps they use some of the lte network to start providing tv and home internet. Now they would have complete control over how you watch and your internet. Maybe they have to throttle your HD channels cause you've been watching to much HBO movies. Why not they will all tell you Netflix kills their backend but watching vod has no strain on the network.....I've been ranting for too long sorry
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BrianDigital said:
So think about if sprint were to allow free tethering on all phones, well businesses would flock to them for company plans to cut costs, and the flocks of data whores out there that love to rack up data on their phones. Our network would blow, congestion please.
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Agreed 100%, but the issue is traffic, not tethering. If they want to limit traffic or introduce a tiered plan, that is fine (it might piss me off, but it is a rational right they have). It is rational to expect to pay per amount of data streamed to my device. But it is not rational to tell me what to do with data received on my end.
Replace DATA with WATER. If I pay the city for x amount of water per month, once it arrives on my doorstep, can they charge me more if I add plumbing in my house that transports it to the backyard, or my basement? Or install an extra faucet in a guest bedroom?

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The DATA service to use the phone as a wireless hotspot/tether is an extra $29.99, whether we agree with that or not. If you don't think a contract is right then you don't sign it/use the service.
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Please see my example above about water.
If every single water company in town told you it was $50 per month to get 200 gallons of water piped to your house, but there would be a $30 surcharge (for the same amount) if you had more than 2 faucets in your house, would you:
(a) Tell them about all 4 of your faucets and pay $80
(b) Tell them you have 2 faucets and pay $50
If (a), then I question your thought processes. Common wisdom (in my mind at least) is that it is a citizen's duty to disobey unjust rules. Yes, I am being overdramatic here, and no a contract from Sprint is not a law. But it leans on the law (as the post above mentions), and ALL providers lean on that same unjust law...

Hotspot data limited

I see the news that Sprint is doing away with unlimited hotspot. I use the wifi tether app to provide a hotspot for my laptop in the field.
How can i see how much data I'm using while tethering?
I`m getting the itch more and more to go to Verizon. Sprint cell service is very spotty, there becoming more like the rest, and their 4G sucks and it will be another year and a half before we can see any change from them with LTE.
Would this change in the data be grounds for me to cancel due to change in the contract?

if you really wanna get out your contract without having to pay the etf go here> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696073 from what i read if you use up enough data sprint will give you the boot.

How can i see how much data I'm using while tethering?
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If you are rooted and using wifi tether, this "shouldn't" affect that, as that app makes it seems like its the phone using the data. What sprint is after is the people using the Sprint Hotspot app.
Would this change in the data be grounds for me to cancel due to change in the contract?
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No, this does not change your contract. If you are already in contract, this doesn't affect you until you re-sign the contract.
if you really wanna get out your contract without having to pay the etf go here> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696073 from what i read if you use up enough data sprint will give you the boot.
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No, do NOT do that. There are MANY LEGAL ways to get out of your contract. Screwing sprint over by making them pay verizon for your stupidity is not the way to do it.

No, do NOT do that. There are MANY LEGAL ways to get out of your contract. Screwing sprint over by making them pay verizon for your stupidity is not the way to do it.[/QUOTE]
You sound like a sprint employee. Sprint is a multi million dollar company they can afford it, also alot of us on sprint are getting screwed for having to pay for 4g when we can barely even get a 4g connection. Not to mention the crappy reception.

also alot of us on sprint are getting screwed for having to pay for 4g when we can barely even get a 4g connection.
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You aren't paying for 4g, you are paying for mobile internet.

http://m.infoworld.com/d/mobile-tec...tphones-176849?mm_ref=http://news.google.com/
Yeah, just saw this, was looking where to post it on xda. Apparently I've been beat to the whiskey sour
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You aren't paying for 4g, you are paying for mobile internet.
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Oh bull****. Sprint tacks on an extra 10 (I think it's 20 now $) to own a 4g phone. Despite the vast majority paying have no access to 4g. Your comment is purely ignorant. How do you not recall this argument from 18mo ago? Are you new?
I have 4g. But I know most don't. Stupid comment of the year award, over, done, awarded. You win.
Edit: and thanks agent Droid for giving me a place to post the link I had just copied to share
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While capping data use on its 3G network to 3GB, 5GB, or 10GB per month, Sprint has continued to offer unlimited 4G service. Now, the cap for each of these plans will cover the subscriber's combined monthly data use on both 3G and 4G. All data use above the cap will cost 5 cents per megabyte.
The monthly allowance for data use while roaming on non-Sprint networks will be 100MB for the 3GB plan and 300MB for the other two plans, with each megabyte over those caps charged at 25 cents.
For Mobile Hotspot plans on phones, data usage will be capped at 5GB per month of either 3G or combined 3G/4G service, depending on whether the phone can use 4G. Use above that cap will be charged at 5 cents per megabyte. Those plans will have a 300MB monthly cap for data roaming.
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Ha, **** that.

dzee206 said:
You sound like a sprint employee. Sprint is a multi million dollar company they can afford it, also alot of us on sprint are getting screwed for having to pay for 4g when we can barely even get a 4g connection. Not to mention the crappy reception.
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This is absurd.
People like you are what cause cut backs, increased rates and relinquishment of benefits.
You people sit here and try to justify all the bull**** you want, Sprint isn't doing this to be jerks.
They simply cannot afford it.
They want to continue to offer unlimited data on phones

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This is absurd.
People like you are what cause cut backs, increased rates and relinquishment of benefits.
You people sit here and try to justify all the bull**** you want, Sprint isn't doing this to be jerks.
They simply cannot afford it.
They want to continue to offer unlimited data on phones
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oh great another old butt hurt sprint fan boy! quit acting all high and mighty.
"so basicly this exploit is for those who get terrible reception, download speeds etc? also would it matter if your on a unlimitted data plan using this?"
"thanks for confirming that, i think ill just stay away from this for now or atleast till i wanna get out of my contract."
those are my exact words from this thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696073&page=214 . so next time you try and talk down on someone get your damn facts straight! all i was trying to do was help out a fellow xda member, so quit with all your bs. so marinate on that thought, on that note dont even bother replying back this all your getting out of me. im out, peace out sucka.

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oh great another old butt hurt sprint fan boy! quit acting all high and mighty.
"so basicly this exploit is for those who get terrible reception, download speeds etc? also would it matter if your on a unlimitted data plan using this?"
"thanks for confirming that, i think ill just stay away from this for now or atleast till i wanna get out of my contract."
those are my exact words from this thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696073&page=214 . so next time you try and talk down on someone get your damn facts straight! all i was trying to do was help out a fellow xda member, so quit with all your bs. so marinate on that thought, on that note dont even bother replying back this all your getting out of me. im out, peace out sucka.
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And?
I'm not going to search your previous posts.
All I know is you tried to peddle this bull**** idea that these companies are just swimming in cash.
Its so stupid.
People make comments like "these CEOs make millions a year, they can afford xy abuse/exploit"
Okay...and do you think that CEO is going to lose out on his pay because of that abuse?
NOPE.
Guess who does? The customer and low level employees.
Always always always.
Everything is interconnected.
For all the fools that force a carrier to give em a different model because their OEM phone can't be rooted after an update, or those that abuse prls, or those that demand credits because a device that is known to have an issue and you didn't return it within the 14 days, or people downloading 50GB of month in torrents on their wireless connection...the only one you're hurting is the customer. (Yourself)
Everyone wants to ***** and whine about loss of benefits, limiting of data, the loss of the ability to get a different model when its necessary for valid reasons ....WELL THEN STOP ABUSING the system.
Because abuse is truly what is causing a loss of those benefits.
You can "screw" whatever corporation you want...problem is...the CEOs, the board, the higher ups...they won't even notice the difference.
People gotta start focusing on the bigger picture.
This isn't about being on some "high horse" or being "self righteous" or whatever negative connotation that you can attach to it.
It's about the realization that everything is truly interconnected and that we customers are the ones screwing ourselves.

dzee206 said:
im out, peace out sucka.
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did you seriously just call him "sucka"??? how is 2nd grade nowadays?

Your comment is purely ignorant. How do you not recall this argument from 18mo ago? Are you new?
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Umm, do YOU remember the argument? It is WIDELY known the 10 dollar fee is for Premium Data, NOT just for 4g. EVERY smartphone has a 10 dollar fee now, not just 4g phones. So your argument that the 10 dollars is for 4g is stupid.

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did you seriously just call him "sucka"??? how is 2nd grade nowadays?
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obviously i did if you read my post. i said my part and so did mattykinsx, and from the look's of thing's were both just gonna leave it as is. i dont want this getting turned into a flame war and start getting infractions, but if you wanna keep dragging it along go ahead be my guest. im done here with this thread so say what you like doesn't matter to me.