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Atrix & Droid X Gingerbread pre-launch soak annouced days apart: Just coincidence?
I just read that droid x owners received word of a "pre-launch soak" update which as you know is days after word of the Atrix soak.
Just coincidence or could the 2 builds be that similar???
Which bring me to my next un-knowledgeable question: If the 2 builds are that close together to where only small changes are needed, how close could the droid x cm7 be to our Atrix?
Just a stupid, completely stupid, thought...
Well... i kinda doubt there's THAT much of a similarity between the Droid X and the Atrix. Different camera specs... Atrix has 1GB memory while the X has 512MB.... among other differences, including the addition of the fingerprint reader on the Atrix, not to mention a completely different CPU, and lack of dual-core on the droid x.
Droid X already had a soak test for gingerbread. This is probably a revision of it to fix more bugs. The Official gingerbread beta for DX has leaked for over a month now.
elementaldragon said:
Well... i kinda doubt there's THAT much of a similarity between the Droid X and the Atrix. Different camera specs... Atrix has 1GB memory while the X has 512MB.... among other differences, including the addition of the fingerprint reader on the Atrix, not to mention a completely different CPU, and lack of dual-core on the droid x.
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I'm not that stupid. I know feature-wise what their differences are. Im talking how similar they are when it comes to programing as a starting point or just being bootable.
edgeicator said:
Droid X already had a soak test for gingerbread. This is probably a revision of it to fix more bugs. The Official gingerbread beta for DX has leaked for over a month now.
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Na i believe they had a GB leak similar to our HKTW 2.3.4 we've had for almost a month if not more (also), which is not a soak or manufacture's private beta.
XCellPhoneSalesRep said:
Na i believe they had a GB leak similar to our HKTW 2.3.4 we've had for almost a month if not more (also), which is not a soak or manufacture's private beta.
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Nope. HKTW was a gingerbread for a model similar to the Atrix in china. The Droid X leak was designed specifically for the DX.
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/05/27/droidx-gingerbread-update-soak-test-starts-tonight/
The soak test announced recently was for the D2X. Not the DX.
Well Dam, i guess i'm thinkin somewhat on the right track:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1176718
Makes me feel a lil bit better
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Nope. HKTW was a gingerbread for a model similar to the Atrix in china. The Droid X leak was designed specifically for the DX.
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/05/27/droidx-gingerbread-update-soak-test-starts-tonight/
The soak test announced recently was for the D2X. Not the DX.
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I didnt mean similar rom, i meant a similar leak.
Every likelyhood they are very different, as I would imagine there are 2 different teams of applications/software engineers working on GB for each phone. They may communicate options, ideas, etc., but I doubt they OS's are the same.
Do you think that SAMSUNG will upgrade GS2 to ANDROID 4 when will be available in Q4 2011 ?
Yes. One of the things to come out of Google I/O this year was a commitment from the big manufacturers to support Android updates for a defined period of time (obviously, hardware dependent).
Ye i reckon so. Even if there are hardware requirements, the SGS2 will definately be up to scratch. I have heard the 4.0 will adjust to the hardware anyway so it shouldn't be a problem either way.
The official Google policy is that all phones will qualify for updates up to 18 months from launch date .Providing the hardware is compatible .Samsung have agreed to this .
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Android 4? Still haven't gotten the 2.3.4, and Android 4.0, and that in Q4 this year? Am I reading it right?
ithehappy said:
Android 4? Still haven't gotten the 2.3.4, and Android 4.0, and that in Q4 this year? Am I reading it right?
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In case you are thinking "4.0 is too fast because we haven't gotten 3.0 yet", 3.0 is Honeycomb and a Tablet only release. 4.0 is Ice Cream Sandwich and is supposed to unify both Tablets and Smartphones.
Anyway, version numbers by themselves mean nothing since they are arbitrary values given by humans. For example, Firefox 4 came out not too long ago and we have 5.0 now.
Logi_Ca1 said:
In case you are thinking "4.0 is too fast because we haven't gotten 3.0 yet", 3.0 is Honeycomb and a Tablet only release. 4.0 is Ice Cream Sandwich and is supposed to unify both Tablets and Smartphones
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Yea I know that. Just didn't know that there weren't any version in between 2.3.4 and 4!
Hoping to get it ASAP on my phone!
It is rumored to be a really great change!
And even if samsung don't, which they should, cm or someone else will!
I am sure the specs are upto par, that's one of the reasons why I chose this phone!
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Next version of Android will have onscreen keys and hardware keys will be unsupported, just like on Honecomb.
So even if Samsung updates SGS2, we'll be left with a useless hardware home key and screen space will be lost for software keys.
Phones that run the next version of Android will be designed for that, with no hardware keys and extra screen space for the soft keys. On older phones like SGS2, it'll just look silly.
aydc said:
Next version of Android will have onscreen keys and hardware keys will be unsupported, just like on Honecomb.
So even if Samsung updates SGS2, we'll be left with a useless hardware home key and screen space will be lost for software keys.
Phones that run the next version of Android will be designed for that, with no hardware keys and extra screen space for the soft keys. On older phones like SGS2, it'll just look silly.
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/me reckons that should be easy enough to sort out... I'd bet that either
- existing phones get support for hard-keys
- Samsung codes their own support for the keys, in order to keep their customers happy.
THEY WILL. They wouldn't haveput 1GB of RAM in this phone, unless they wanted it to have a "shelf-life" of more than a year. It probably won't be fully supported (because 4.0 is rumoured to to be for 720p displays and whatnot) but it will definitely be supported.
Android isn't like iOS, where as soon as the next version comes out, the older ones are immediately made obsolete. It's much more versatile than that.
And although it will be built around no hardware keys...it can't be completely built without them taken into consideration! What happens to volume keys and the lock button? The three buttons almost every single (if not every single one) Android handset has...
It'll be a similar situation to the one at the moment. The SII is released, and the S1 is given Gingerbread because it's still very popular. The S2 is more so, so I rekon at the release of the S3, we'll also get Android 4.0
SO excited. It's what android needs to continue eating away at the stupid domination of iOS/Apple.
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/me reckons that should be easy enough to sort out... I'd bet that either
- existing phones get support for hard-keys
- Samsung codes their own support for the keys, in order to keep their customers happy.
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It's easy to put something in the kernel to support the hardware home key like you say, but what about the multitasking key in Honeycomb which'll likely be in the next version too? There's no key in SGS2 for that... That'll have to stay on the screen and take precious screen space, probably together with soft home and back keys... Not to mention the even for today low SGS2 screen resolution.. Next version of Android on 800x480? Forget it...
It'll probably work, but it'll be silly... You'll want to get a new phone that is designed specifically for that...
Not to mention the hardware acceleration features that'll be coming which current hardware likely doesn't support. Like, Honeycomb seems to only work on Tegra. I don't know if it'll run on current version of Exynos used in SGS2...
So not only will it look silly, it'll probably run slow too.. We'll all want to get a new phone for the new OS.. That's what these things are designed for, to make money magically disapper from our pockets and appear in their pockets...
Remap one of the hardware keys to the multitasking key.
And as far as slow, i would hope that a dual core 1.2ghz cortex A9 would deal with it! The gig of ram will help.
And as far as hardware acceleration, i would think that google will expand the support to more than just tegra, that's half the point.
Honeycomb is just a limited stopgap as gingerbread would be awful on tablets!
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We'll just have to wait and see. If it all relies on missing hardware buttons then maybe Android 4.0 won't be fully compatible with SII, but if that's not the case, i'm sure SII will be upgraded to Android 4.0. If it won't be fully functional then i wouldn't want it on my SII just for the purpose of bragging that i can run a crippled Android 4.0 on my device. I'd stay with Gingerbread or buy a native Android 4.0 device.
I wonder if it's possible to port Honeycomb onto SGS II...
I mean it does have the Specs to pull it off.
kinda off topic, but this is the best (and most useful) place to ask this.
What exactly OR IS rumoured/expected in this Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich update?
I know it's meant to be a
- Big one that integrates 2.3.4 and 3.0.
- Rumours of hardware acceleration?
What else that's "big" or what new features are expected to be in this 4.0 update?!!??!?!
Everything in this thread is here-say. Where are your google release documents proving on-screen keys? Let me guess, your cousin's, uncle, brother has a buddy who knows the janitor at google right?
No one here knows what 4.0 will entail. Unless you work for Android team and are leaking stuff out.
So please stop posting crap, unless it is factual. Oh wait I forgot its the internet, everything is true.
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I wonder if it's possible to port Honeycomb onto SGS II...
I mean it does have the Specs to pull it off.
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Short answer is yes, our phone is way more than capable to run Honeycomb without any issues. I run it on my Nook Color (which's hardware is not even close at all to the SGS2) and it runs great.
Long answer is no, you won't be able to use it correctly since you would have to build and compile drivers yourself and then integrate them into HC (unless you find the drivers from a similar model, but good luck with that one).
On top of that, you won't want to do that since there's no phone application on HC (maybe on the 3G models, but there's not such a thing in the WiFi only models and neither on the HC SDK).
And yes, I'm sure we'll get ICS on our SGS2, it would not make sense at all not to get it on such a powerful phone.
All I can say is that if it won't be on SGS2 because of it rendering hardware buttons obsolete, then it basically won't be on ANY current phone.
As usual though, the rumour mills will be working overtime with pointless and unprovable statements like that. You'll have to wait and see.
And for what its worth, I definitely believe the SGS2 will get it (and possibly even the SGS1). Remember that no two android phones are ever the same in terms of OS anyway.
Edited to add: might not be Q4 but it will definitely get it.
Mobile Sensei has created a new custom rom for the DX basically with the ICS theme entitled ICX. From my understanding tho, I thought ICS was only gonna be built for android phones with dual core processors such as the DX2.
I could be wrong but can someone provide me with some insight into this. Whats the possibility of the DX gettin ICS?
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I believe the Nexus S is only single core but I could be wrong. A couple weeks ago there was a leak of the Nexus S running ICS. I'm positive that theyll be a port of ICS to the DX
It's uncertain. The Droid X is closing in on being 2 years old. Google already forced Motorola and others to make sure they provide GB updates to this point. ICS may not be something Motorola will roll out for us.
If Motorola doesn't provide an ICS update (that whole point is very debatable), ICS will have its full source released like all AOSP releases (Except Honeycomb).
With the 2nd init process of Rom Booting now avail to us, we will certainly get builds of ICS (CM8?)
I also hope (again, very debatable) that Google's acquisition of Motorola will eventually lead to an unlocking of the bootloader, which would make true AOSP projects even easier.
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It's uncertain. The Droid X is closing in on being 2 years old. Google already forced Motorola and others to make sure they provide GB updates to this point. ICS may not be something Motorola will roll out for us.
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Yes this is exactly what I was thinkin as well. Not to mention how long it took for an OTA of gingerbread to be released for the X.....
Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
If Motorola doesn't provide an ICS update (that whole point is very debatable), ICS will have its full source released like all AOSP releases (Except Honeycomb).
With the 2nd init process of Rom Booting now avail to us, we will certainly get builds of ICS (CM8?)
I also hope (again, very debatable) that Google's acquisition of Motorola will eventually lead to an unlocking of the bootloader, which would make true AOSP projects even easier.
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I was thinking this as well. As you said all of this is very debatable. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. I'm leaning more toward the X not gettin the ICS (saying this hoping somewhere the droid gods will show their power and give us ICS, proving me wrong lol) just for the simple fact that the X is really on its last leg pretty much. In which I'm sure developers will create one.
could this be for ics on atrix?
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/63224
Interesting... Especially considering they are still rolling out updates for gingerbread in different parts of the world. Maybe the community slapped Motorola around enough and maybe Google pressured them into it, since all the other major manufacturers (LG, Samsung, Sony) are supporting all their dual core devices.
Support for devices such as the Photon, Atrix, Atrix 2, or any device with a webtop application, are going to inevitably take longer to support because there is a lot more to this device than others.
Can't be ICS Motorola explicitly stated that it takes 4-7 months for them to roll out a major update to their devices. A summer release for ICS is most likely, around july just like gingerbread was.
I'm still thinking about getting this phone and wondering how fast Motorola will be with their updates. Being that they are owned by Google, it's kind of baffling to me that it ships with 4.2 instead of 4.3 right about of the box.
And with 4.4 on the horizon, I'm not expecting it to be updated like a Nexus device but hoping they won't drag ass and take forever and a day. This would be my first Motorola device and I've heard about them being terrible with updates in the past but that was before Google bought them out.
Unless someone here can tell the future....
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Someone with an inside source said that their timetable for releases is 2 months after a new version is released.
Part of the requirements for the purchase of Moto was that they couldn't receive any special treatment when it came to code release from Google. Which means that they don't get the source code for new versions before any other vendor unless they have been chosen to build a nexus device. I that case they can only work on it in connection with the Google Android team.
The two month timetable isn't assume h that has been officially confirmed, so it may not be completely accurate.
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I've read a few articles which mentioned that although Motorola is now owned by Google, they are in fact keeping a "firewall" between the two companies. This could explain why the Moto X was released with 4.2 instead of 4.3.
Also, based on what I've seen in recent trends, carriers will be releasing Android OS updates over the air as opposed the Motorola (at least here in the States). Some approach OS updates better than others. Verizon is known to take their time releasing updates to phones because of the extensive testing they do with an upcoming update for a particular device. Take for instance the Droid DNA, a device released close to the end of last year which is only now getting the update to 4.2 from 4.1. I sincerely hope the Moto X does not see such neglect when it comes to future updates but I also wouldn't be surprised.
Over the years I have learned one thing. If it's not a nexus, expect the absolute worst case scenario for ROM updates.
with the ability to flash roms coming soon this may not matter
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scorpion667 said:
Over the years I have learned one thing. If it's not a nexus, expect the absolute worst case scenario for ROM updates.
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I'd like to believe that Moto offers better support than Samsung and HTC. The 4.3 update is still in the works but hard to put an eta on it as they probably still need time to make sure the moto apps and hardware is optimized to work properly. Other than improved performance and stability, I'm not missing anything by using 4.2.2 for now.
One good thing this phone has going for it is it's pretty much stock Android. No Touchwiz, Sense or any other overlay like Motoblur. This means it should be easier and faster to update since they just have to get the few things working on the next version. I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola skipped 4.3 and went straight to 4.4 since it's close to being released.
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One good thing this phone has going for it is it's pretty much stock Android. No Touchwiz, Sense or any other overlay like Motoblur. This means it should be easier and faster to update since they just have to get the few things working on the next version. I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola skipped 4.3 and went straight to 4.4 since it's close to being released.
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The problem isn't necessarily the skins though; it's the US carriers.
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The problem isn't necessarily the skins though; it's the US carriers.
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This. If it's going to take moto two months, expect longer because it will need to be blessed by the carriers before OTA updates are pushed out.
I wonder where the T Mobile X fits in then... Will it be updated straight from Moto? If not that might be a big problem because T Mobile obviously doesn't even support the phone.
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The problem isn't necessarily the skins though; it's the US carriers.
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You're right. I actually had a big long post about how once Motorola gets the code, implements their features, at&t still has to test it and approve. Hopefully, since it's basically stock android, it won't take as long because the skinning process doesn't have to happen.
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Motorola has a very mixed record so far with their updates. The OG Droid was actually quite good at getting updates in a timely manner and only trailed the Nexus by a few weeks. After Motorola switched to Blur though for all their devices they lagged behind by a few months and even though with Jelly Bean they removed most of the Blur apps in favor of stock, that was still nearly what 9 months after 4.1's source was released before the Razr, Bionic, Droid 4 all got it. In fact for a while there they were one of the slowest at releasing their updates.
Now the Moto X is a new beast though and different from what Motorola has done now so it's hard to say. All the previous devices were part of the "old motorola" and the X is the first device of the "new motorola". The X is almost pure stock so there is very little tweaking that will need to be done. They just need to add in support for their Camera App, Active Display and Touchless Controls, do any kernel updates/bug fixes and then test/resolve any new bugs that popped up in 4.3. Motorola has said that an update is in the works and will come out soon with many improvements for the Moto X. Is this 4.3 or just a newer 4.2.2 build? We don't know.
I'd like to imagine that we will see 4.3 released sometime between now and early October on all carriers considering Samsung announced they will begin to roll out 4.3 to the SGS4, SGS3 and Note2. If Motorola is the first to release a stable, solid build of 4.3 for their new X8 devices and continues to keep up with their updates in a quick and timely manner, it would do a lot to rebuild their name. Right now we just have to wait and see if Motorola is serious about getting better about releasing timely updates or not.
clankfu said:
I'm still thinking about getting this phone and wondering how fast Motorola will be with their updates. Being that they are owned by Google, it's kind of baffling to me that it ships with 4.2 instead of 4.3 right about of the box.
And with 4.4 on the horizon, I'm not expecting it to be updated like a Nexus device but hoping they won't drag ass and take forever and a day. This would be my first Motorola device and I've heard about them being terrible with updates in the past but that was before Google bought them out.
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I'm in contact with Punit Soni (Moto X product Manager). He's very active on Google+ and he addressed the update and OTA of 4.3 questions. He said when they officially released the device to distributors, 4.3 just got announced. So it was either delay the Moto X and piss off many pre-ordering customers, or continue with the primary plan and push through with 4.2.2.
He said the update is "Coming soon" as they always say, and he promises many fixes like Camera improvements, Picasa or Google Photos sync for Gallery, and OS 4.3 very soon.
"When will then be now? Soon!"
EDIT: wrong thread.
linuxgator said:
Part of the requirements for the purchase of Moto was that they couldn't receive any special treatment when it came to code release from Google. Which means that they don't get the source code for new versions before any other vendor unless they have been chosen to build a nexus device. I that case they can only work on it in connection with the Google Android team.
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Each OEM gets the source at the same time. Makes no difference. The only reason it takes so long is a mixture between putting loads of framework in. And wanting to get new hardware out.
Moto, working with next to stock android, will be much much faster. No they dont get special treatment per se. But time will be light speed compared to HTC and Samsung
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GR36 said:
But time should be light speed compared to HTC and Samsung
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FIFY
If it goes the way the Tmobile nexus 4 goes than it will be updated right away. My son has the nexus4 bought directly from Tmobile store & it receives updates along with those bought directly from Google. I know its still a nexus and the moto x isn't but from what I understand the Tmobile version of the x doesn't have any carrier installed stuff on it, so hopefully it will be treated as a device like the Google editions.
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