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Good idea or bad idea? HTC mulling own phone OS

Looks like HTC is considering creating their own smartphone OS:
http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=5814
Good idea or a bad one? I vote bad since it does nothing but dilute the market even further. And while their Sense UI on WinMo may be buggy because of the fact that it runs on top of WinMo, it's not encouraging to see that they haven't found a way to fix the problem with their text messaging app after all this time.
And who will write apps for that OS?

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Bad Idea.
Android is too new to just write it off at this point in the game. I know it has its issues, but I personally think it's the future.
Windows Phone 7 is brand-spankin' new. I don't like it, considering all that I've heard about it. Like how they plan to lock it down. But if they can get a decent app store up and running, they could be competing with Apple very quickly. Never count Microsoft out. Google made that mistake and now look at Bing.
iPhone OS 4.0: Apple pretty much just granted 90% of the wishes that people harbored. Sure, it's still locked down, but my friends swear by their iPhones. Personally, I can't stand 'em. I even gave my 2yo daughter my iPod Touch (2nd Gen), no joke.
Maemo and Nokia are now in bed together, which means that Android is in for a world of hurt, at least in Japan and Europe.
Too many cell phone manufacturers roll their own OS. This is always a problem with people like me, who want to be able to control their phones.
If HTC were to release the OS source code, I would be happy to give it a shot. Unfortunately that only happens when the OS is based on an already-open system, like Linux
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Ack, looks like I can't add it after I create it. Perhaps a mod can add it for me.

HTC is currently believed to be the leader in the pack of companies that are expressing interest in buying Palm, now that it's officially accepting offers.
WebOS is a great operating system just looking for some proper hardware and market penetration...and we all know who has plenty of both!

sirphunkee said:
HTC is currently believed to be the leader in the pack of companies that are expressing interest in buying Palm, now that it's officially accepting offers.
WebOS is a great operating system just looking for some proper hardware and market penetration...and we all know who has plenty of both!
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WebOS, under proper management and direction, and coupled with HTC's literal hardware design genius could be something I'd consider serious potential competition for Android.

iPhone vs Android

Not a flame thread... I promise.
I've never had an iPhone, but I have a few friends that do. Every time I ask them if their phone can do this or that, it seems that it can. Has the gap closed significantly? Is there anything an Android phone can do that an iPhone can't? Or vice versa?
For the record, I'm not a ringleader of the holy war against iPhones. I mean, I think they are pretty decent phones. Of course, I do like the Android phones.. a lot. But I don't see myself switching to an iPhone any time soon.
So, keep the flames down and just list the facts.
The only two differences that I really know of is 1) Android is on all of the US carriers, where iPhone is AT&T only; and 2) it is much easier and friendlier in the rooting of the device for Android phones (that is, carriers and manufacturers don't care).

You only touched the tip of the iceberg with the "rooting" part. Take a look in the Dev section of the forum and you'll see why Android totally owns iOS. This is the main reason I chose Android. If this was an iPhone forum that whole sub-forum wouldn't exist. The only thing iOS has is apps.
Plus (until recently) iPhones were stuck with crappy screen resolution: 320x480 while many Android phones had screens at 480x800. The Android OS isn't restricted to just one piece of hardware so we get many manufacturers competing against each other. When companies compete the consumer wins. The only thing iPhone competes against is the previous iPhone model. If Apple releases a new iPhone it only needs to be marginally better than the previous model for people to buy it.
I used to be an Apple fan-boy. I had an iPod, bought the 17" MacBook Pro when it was released, had an iPhone, all that stuff. And while I still respect Apple for pushing cutting-edge technology, there is no way a single company can release cutting-edge products as fast as multiple other companies combined.

Not to mention that Android is capable of using widgets. As well as a more "open" market for applications compared to Apple's review process before a application gets published. However, it is up to the user's responsibilities to take a look at what permissions the app is asking for. But if you're tech savvy enough, this shouldn't be a problem and there aren't many applications that are malicious.
The most significant difference is that Android has A LOT more customzation compared to iOS. The iOS is so limited on customization where Android we can change just about everything: the virtual keyboard, home screen, app drawer, and just pretty much everything.

to be honest with you, you can't go wrong with either phone. i have to say, iphone4 is a great piece of hardware and apple, like Samsung knows a lil something about design. good luck.

no comments in other things but when i hold my dads iphone 3gs, it feels like too small... and fat.. I mean, the display looks small compared to my vibrant

well in terms of customization, i know a jail broken iphone or ("rooted android") phone can also get the customizations that aren't available out of the box. So in that regard, I would have to say both are just as customizable.

boodies said:
like Samsung knows a lil something about design. good luck.
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LOL.... tell that to all the left handed people of the world

rogerchew said:
well in terms of customization, i know a jail broken iphone or ("rooted android") phone can also get the customizations that aren't available out of the box. So in that regard, I would have to say both are just as customizable.
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Sure, with the exception of the lack of widgets on the iPhone, as well as Live Wallpapers.
The Android desktop is like the desktop on your PC
The Apple iOS 'desktop' is like your start menu

rogerchew said:
well in terms of customization, i know a jail broken iphone or ("rooted android") phone can also get the customizations that aren't available out of the box. So in that regard, I would have to say both are just as customizable.
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iOS Customization is no where close to as diverse to Android. iOS you can jailbreak it, however the UI still stays generally the same. For android, your able to create completely new interfaces (ie: different launchers/home screens) iOS you can sorta do something similar with designing templates w/ blank icons and such but it still isn't the same and is a rather stupid way of going about it. Android has the ability to customize down to the system level, which is why i see it as a superior OS.

s15274n said:
LOL.... tell that to all the left handed people of the world
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Which device are you talking about?

Apple's main appeal to consumers is sleekness. The iPhone is a sleek looking piece of hardware that bedazzles the average person (i.e. retard). When I go around a college campus and see every person with a 13 inch Mac Book that was $1500+ I have to laugh. If it was not for the sleek presentation and general "coolness" of the brand they would not be able to get away with half the crap they pull.

s15274n said:
LOL.... tell that to all the left handed people of the world
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nothing a bumper can't fix LMAO

SeanFloyd said:
a 13 inch Mac Book that was $1500+
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Off-topic:
??? Seriously ???
The 90's called they want their inaccurate arguments back.

This is America, exaggeration is perfectly legal!

well when talking about the two, you have to understand the iPhone is a piece of hardware and software and Android is software...
the iPhone and the Vibrant are generally the same in terms of hardware... however the Vibrant has some huge advantages in having an expandable memory and replaceable battery.
iOS is much more limited than Android in terms of customization, but also has an advantage as it works perfectly with the hardware.
in my opinion, the iPhone is a much more user friendly device whereas Android devices are more exciting and feature filled.

nearblack said:
well when talking about the two, you have to understand the iPhone is a piece of hardware and software and Android is software...
the iPhone and the Vibrant are generally the same in terms of hardware... however the Vibrant has some huge advantages in having an expandable memory and replaceable battery.
iOS is much more limited than Android in terms of customization, but also has an advantage as it works perfectly with the software.
in my opinion, the iPhone is a much more user friendly device whereas Android devices are more exciting and feature filled.
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I think this sums it up perfectly. The other thing is that if you don't plan on utilizing the potential of Android the difference between the two is even smaller and comes down to stock features (like- do you want a FFC or removeable storage? Tmobile or ATT?). If you plan on rooting Android will far and away kill the iphone in terms of customization and extra features.
I love my macbook but there is no way I'd get an iphone with a sweet phone like the Vibrant running Android as my other choice.

s15274n said:
LOL.... tell that to all the left handed people of the world
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cell phone companies don't care about freaks.

This is so much more interesting than I thought it would. before I posted this, I thought the answers would be "Android has such-and-such app" where iPhone could never do this (or vice versa) and here's why.
Rooting and tinkering are what I love to do, and when I bought my G1 on day one, I honestly did not realize that rooting would even be an option. I just somehow knew that Android was going to be the way to go. I kinda lucked out on the fact that we can root our phones. Without root, then these are good phones. Add root, and you have an awesome phone.
You know how sometimes you look at a really interesting photograph and you know it is interesting, but you don't know why it is interesting? And then you take a class in photography and you learn why that photograph was interesting--composition, lighting, etc? Well, now I know why I love my phone.
Bottom line is, I guess people who just want a phone to work, and not have to do anything, or deal with small, annoying "issues", then the iPhone may be a better way to go. But you have to realize that iPhone will never be the best HW/SW out there any more. I think Android will always have the edge now, due to all the competition. So if you are an above average user, or an advanced user, then the choice is easy: Android.

Android definitely does more, you just have to go out of your way to figure it all out (which is why we are all here). IPhone makes doing cool stuff more easily accessible (which works for the masses that just want a sweet phone that does sweet stuff outta the box), but the level of customization is nowhere near android. I've told my diehard iPhone friends if they were to just use an android phone for a month, they would switch. The only credit I give to the iPhone is the sick lineup of games. Android pretty much blows in that department.
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christpuncher said:
Android definitely does more, you just have to go out of your way to figure it all out (which is why we are all here). IPhone makes doing cool stuff more easily accessible (which works for the masses that just want a sweet phone that does sweet stuff outta the box), but the level of customization is nowhere near android. I've told my diehard iPhone friends if they were to just use an android phone for a month, they would switch. The only credit I give to the iPhone is the sick lineup of games. Android pretty much blows in that department.
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It'll start to catch up, Gameloft games are available on Android but the way that they deliver their games are terrible especially for people who root their phones and things of that sort. I just wish they would offer their games on the market.
But to an extent, you're totally right.. I hope that game developers will move on the Android platform and take advantage of the hardware that is always improving and improving on Android whereas Apple releases new hardware for their phone once per year.

iPad Rom

i know people here probaly hate apple but im ready to hear about some new projects...so is there a way to port apples ipad rom on the Tab? Has it been tried?
One day ill contribute my knowledge to the site just still learning now but doing good so far thanks guys.
btw: i love android

There are a million reasons why this would never ever work, so I wouldn't put too much thought into wanting it.

havent put much thought into it just sitting in iraq at work so random ideas for when i get done here lol

I'm trying not to be condescending, but it's still obvious to me that you haven't taken the 15-20 minutes to google the iPad and learn a bit about it, such as the fact that it's the same hardware as an iPhone, such as the fact that the software image is VERY proprietary and inflexible... like the iPhone, it's a great product for people who have no interest in a totally-customizable interface, and don't mind having to pay a few bucks a pop for every application they buy from a required application market source. If that's you, then just buy an iPad. I've played with them and they are great devices, if not as robust as an Android-based tablet is.
Unfortunately, Steve Jobs finds 7" tablets to be beneath him, so that's another limitation with an Apple tablet. And another reason why I'm interested in the GT.
And another reason why I find Jobs' sense of righteousness beneath me

As mentioned in the previous posts ios is a bit too locked down to one piece of hardware.
Android is rolling up quickly to ios. ios has some nice features like the hardware accelerated gui, but honeycomb may bring that for us too.
Android and its future developments are set to be the os of choice i think, they definately will be for those that want to tinker with things. Jobs would never allow that.

Suleeto said:
I'm trying not to be condescending, but it's still obvious to me that you haven't taken the 15-20 minutes to google the iPad and learn a bit about it, such as the fact that it's the same hardware as an iPhone, such as the fact that the software image is VERY proprietary and inflexible... like the iPhone, it's a great product for people who have no interest in a totally-customizable interface, and don't mind having to pay a few bucks a pop for every application they buy from a required application market source. If that's you, then just buy an iPad. I've played with them and they are great devices, if not as robust as an Android-based tablet is.
Unfortunately, Steve Jobs finds 7" tablets to be beneath him, so that's another limitation with an Apple tablet. And another reason why I'm interested in the GT.
And another reason why I find Jobs' sense of righteousness beneath me
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like i said above not much thought just sitting in iraq brain storming thanks for replys though

It is about as easy as installing android on your microwave.
thenewak: This doesn't qualify as brainstorming. You are asking questions to which the answers are available with a simple google query. Not quite sure why you keep mentioning Iraq. Sorry to hear you are over in Iraq, but don't count on iOS on Samsung Tab happening any time soon.

nitr0burn said:
It is about as easy as installing android on your microwave.
thenewak: This doesn't qualify as brainstorming. You are asking questions to which the answers are available with a simple google query. Not quite sure why you keep mentioning Iraq. Sorry to hear you are over in Iraq, but don't count on iOS on Samsung Tab happening any time soon.
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okay will sorry for just trying to conversate about it...someone delete the thread please.

I must ask why would you even want to do this? I have both ipad and galaxy tab and have not used my ipad since I got the tab..Ipad is way too simple and basic.you can't do any thing with it...I just wish they would bring pokerist to android.
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No sense in ruining the Tab by putting iPoop on it.

Now its possible to dual boot iphones with android. Some chinese can be flash with WinCE or android. You can also put ubuntu or linux mint on you sdcard and boot it but there is very little driver support.
The problem is that the kernel/system objects on apple os is specifically for ipad unless someone wants to compiles and hack drivers.

It'd be funny to see though.
Perhaps running ios through an emu to provide the expected hardware. Probably need 2gb on the Android to emu a 1gb (maybe 512gb) ios device.
But for giggles? Sure, why not! Probably more viable to emulate an ipad without phone connection than an iphone with.
It's just digging in and getting the techy info. Can see why it'd be far easier to go the other way, with the amount of documentation/hackability of Android.
Do iPads have VNC servers on them? Might be a quick and fun hack to fool peeps that you've got it working!

Ill stick to WHY lol its just wrong.
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I could understand someone having the fruitmobile wanting to have android on it but the other way around...I just don't see it.
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Ehh I ain't hatin on ya. But there are plenty of better questions about this device, and plenty you can google too. Just sayin.

STi489 said:
I must ask why would you even want to do this? I have both ipad and galaxy tab and have not used my ipad since I got the tab..Ipad is way too simple and basic.you can't do any thing with it...I just wish they would bring pokerist to android.
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Actually I think there is one big reason: lack of certain apps in android. I think there are many apps right now only available for iOS but not (probably never will) available in android. May be directly booting iOS is not possible, and running directly iPad app in Tab is not practical due to lower resolution, but how about iPhone app running inside an "emulator"?
I don't know, but I know there is emulator for the Garnet Palm OS inside wm5/6. It would be great to have iOS emulator or layer running on top of Android. Yes, I know I am dreaming.
Oh BTW, I am having the same case as you. Once having the tab, I have never brought my iPad outside home anymore.

winst said:
Actually I think there is one big reason: lack of certain apps in android. I think there are many apps right now only available for iOS but not (probably never will) available in android. May be directly booting iOS is not possible, and running directly iPad app in Tab is not practical due to lower resolution, but how about iPhone app running inside an "emulator"?
I don't know, but I know there is emulator for the Garnet Palm OS inside wm5/6. It would be great to have iOS emulator or layer running on top of Android. Yes, I know I am dreaming.
Oh BTW, I am having the same case as you. Once having the tab, I have never brought my iPad outside home anymore.
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Now yes this would be awesomely funny to see, but to be honest I think an iphone/ipad/ipod touch emulator for android might be easier(maybe, because I am not a dev so I am not sure.)

I just got an iPad for Christmas and i must say it is freakin cool. I have an android phone and have used many android tablets including the android powered Nook that I got for my wife this christmas. Although I am not much of an apple person, I must say that the iPad stability and response just outdoes most tablets I have played around with. At the same time though, it would be great to have widgets on my iPad screen. If this thing could run android (as snappy as it runs the iOS), it would be the perfect combo of os and hardware. Save for no camera and some other small details.

Impossible
It's not so much a hardware issue (as you may have noticed, iphones can run android perfectly fine) but it can't be done as ios is closed source so you have to buy the ipad (and then what's the point?)

Maybe back in Dec 2010 there is no prove iPad can run Android?
That is such a long time ago....
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Is Apple Better?

You tell me...
http://callip.wordpress.com/
I gave credit to the Samsung Galaxy line.

Advertising your website while trying to make people interested with the title... hmmmmmmm
smart.

The brand itself made the iphone successful..
I recommend iphone too to those whoever looking to get a smartphone, especially the ones I think are not really OS/smartphone enthusiasts..
Both android and iphone are great OS'.. It's just much simpler and refined iOS is compared to android.. I think the Galaxy s2 made it right out of all the android smartphones out there..
Thanks to its great specs and incorporation into the OS..
And also... We keep on waiting for the next iteration of android to work right.. We said that about gingerbread then honeycomb.. Lol.. Is honeycomb not that good either?

ios and android are just 2 sides of the same coin.
Android gives the user a more advanced and easily customizable interface as well as open source, minus side is stability and hardware/software compatibilty.
IOS gives you the security of a rock solid stable OS with the comfort of knowing your OS is built around your hardware, thus no incompatibility or unsupported features. downside is closed OS no source info apple controlled market and complete lack of customization.
Android = Mobile Technology Enthusiast
IOS = Business savy person, or parent, people who need to be 100% certain everything works 24/7 (or trend hopping teen)
i have an ipod touch, a galaxy S, I love both
I have an Imac and a self built windows 7 gaming rig, I love both
Mind you these are my opinions and as such yours may differ.
as a person who loves the best of both worlds i use Miui with the Vexillium Project icon set, this gives an iphonish polish and feel with the customization of android that i have grown to love.

Android is more for the tech savvy people, while apple is for people that don't really know much, with the iphone though, you don't get leaks, either your phone is supported, or its old and will forsure never get updates (apple).
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I think it was best said by the first comment left (by Marcelo) on your article. Marketing! They make it look so pretty, so gleaming ,so slick, so simple to use. Kids want it, teens want it, Moms and Dads want it. Marketing! Its the one luxury that its in reach of the average American. Can't have a Mercedes like that guy, can't have a mansion like that guy , but hey he has an iPhone WTF I could get that! Marketing! We are a nation of consumers who are told what we want via a TV/Internet commercial. Marketing!
Sent from a 34 y.o.guy who still lives with his Momma but owns a PS3,a Xbox,a Wii, a 55" 3D flat screen.....and two Vibrants.

...j/k I don't live with my Momma but my wife tries to be.

One area where apple has a big advantage is how easy it is to change themes or customize iphones. My buddy at work has an iphone 4 and it jail broke. Thru cydia he installed something call a dream board (or something like that). Thru that he can go from theme to them within a few seconds and there are zero issues. Also its super easy to change signal, wifi icons etc... Now us android usuers know what a pain it is to change almost anything on your phone. Finding something compatible with your rom, make a back up, flash, reboot, cross fingers , say a prayer and hope everything works like it should.

GreggoryD502 said:
One area where apple has a big advantage is how easy it is to change themes or customize iphones. My buddy at work has an iphone 4 and it jail broke. Thru cydia he installed something call a dream board (or something like that). Thru that he can go from theme to them within a few seconds and there are zero issues. Also its super easy to change signal, wifi icons etc... Now us android usuers know what a pain it is to change almost anything on your phone. Finding something compatible with your rom, make a back up, flash, reboot, cross fingers , say a prayer and hope everything works like it should.
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MIUI an cyanogen mod
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It is also super easy to remotely brick an Iphone permanently...
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xriderx66 said:
Advertising your website while trying to make people interested with the title... hmmmmmmm
smart.
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Should I post ALL of the (what i consider pointless) threads that you have created?
How many times have I helped you?
My site has no ads and I receive no income.. I am, like always, just trying to help.
I swear XDA runs people away. I've already moved all of my guides to RootzWiki... and I am extremely close from removing myself because of comments like this.
Forgive me for linking to my blog, rather than copying/pasting the entire article.
And yes, I did try and interest people with the Title.. the title is the article's title. Shock Face.

mrrobc97 said:
I think it was best said by the first comment left (by Marcelo) on your article. Marketing! They make it look so pretty, so gleaming ,so slick, so simple to use. Kids want it, teens want it, Moms and Dads want it. Marketing! Its the one luxury that its in reach of the average American. Can't have a Mercedes like that guy, can't have a mansion like that guy , but hey he has an iPhone WTF I could get that! Marketing! We are a nation of consumers who are told what we want via a TV/Internet commercial. Marketing!
Sent from a 34 y.o.guy who still lives with his Momma but owns a PS3,a Xbox,a Wii, a 55" 3D flat screen.....and two Vibrants.
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I agree.. Marcelo had an amazing comment. So well in fact he has already written an article for the blog... can't wait to post it... I suppose I will not post it here since some people get offended by it.

GreggoryD502 said:
One area where apple has a big advantage is how easy it is to change themes or customize iphones. My buddy at work has an iphone 4 and it jail broke. Thru cydia he installed something call a dream board (or something like that). Thru that he can go from theme to them within a few seconds and there are zero issues. Also its super easy to change signal, wifi icons etc... Now us android usuers know what a pain it is to change almost anything on your phone. Finding something compatible with your rom, make a back up, flash, reboot, cross fingers , say a prayer and hope everything works like it should.
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u can use the theme chooser from t-mobile on Gingerbread u cant root iphones and put custom roms on them

s15274n said:
Should I post ALL of the (what i consider pointless) threads that you have created?
How many times have I helped you?
My site has no ads and I receive no income.. I am, like always, just trying to help.
I swear XDA runs people away. I've already moved all of my guides to RootzWiki... and I am extremely close from removing myself because of comments like this.
Forgive me for linking to my blog, rather than copying/pasting the entire article.
And yes, I did try and interest people with the Title.. the title is the article's title. Shock Face.
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hey bro i was joking. i liked your article... i read them when theres a new one.

s15274n said:
I agree.. Marcelo had an amazing comment. So well in fact he has already written an article for the blog... can't wait to post it... I suppose I will not post it here since some people get offended by it.
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You can post it here. I enjoyed the article. It's different if your purpose was to sell something, but even if you had ads, it's not against the rules.
As for the topic:
My wife's sister is an apple iPhone convert to Android with the Galaxy S Vibrant. Observing her everyday dealing with the phone would come to the conclusion that the iPhone is just simpler. She had her iPhone before I met her, so I didn't get to see her initial learning curve into the smartphone arena. She often complained about the Galaxy's constant crashing, slowness, and terrible battery life. (She's the type of person who only charges once every three days). A custom ROM did not make things better, and shouldn't have to as she put it. She loves the Market and all of the nifty apps that she can download. She uses that often. She didn't have many apps on her iPhone.
It makes you think. I've found that a lot of features that I used apps for previously are built right in to the MIUI ROM and negates the use of an external app. I believe that a lot of features should be implemented into the OS, and should not require an external app, or custom ROM to access it. This is something that needs improvement. To me, an intuitive UI isn't only about being pretty, but being complete in the sense that I don't have to customize it in order for it to be fully functional.

iOS has superior apps, a superior user interface, a more battery-friendly design and superior media ecosystem (iTunes Store, etc.).
Even where the same apps exist, the iOS version is most often better.
Also, the build quality of the iPhone is superior to practically every Android device on the market. The only other smartphone I've owned that came close was the HD2 (boy has HTC gone down the ****ter since then?).
I simply can't deal with it because a 3.5" screen isn't enough for me. I need 4" at least on the screen. Anything less is not usable to me as a daily driver.

mrrobc97 said:
I think it was best said by the first comment left (by Marcelo) on your article. Marketing! They make it look so pretty, so gleaming ,so slick, so simple to use. Kids want it, teens want it, Moms and Dads want it. Marketing! Its the one luxury that its in reach of the average American. Can't have a Mercedes like that guy, can't have a mansion like that guy , but hey he has an iPhone WTF I could get that! Marketing! We are a nation of consumers who are told what we want via a TV/Internet commercial. Marketing!
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That's because it is pretty, gleaming, slick, and simple to use.
It's not marketing. Go to an AT&T or Verizon store and look at it.
It's so good, that even Samsung tried their damnest to copy the Look and Feel of it, and Android even borrowed many UI elements from iOS.
Lots of people got Vibrants preciecely because it was a 3GS look-alike with Android on it (skinned to look like iOS) and they didn't want to get AT&T's service to get an iPhone.

gamikzone said:
u can use the theme chooser from t-mobile on Gingerbread u cant root iphones and put custom roms on them
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That's true to an extent. But not every android phone can run GB. So that's not an option for everyone. Plus apple os is pretty slick right out of the box. No need for custom roms.
Bi-winning V3

In terms of build quality yes and in terms of efficiency their iOS is efficient but there phone is a nightmare for people with big hands which is why I generally see more women own iPhones and more guys own android phones

While this is all true i think google knows this an thats where ice cream sandwich comes in cant wait an gonna be open source so that mean CM8 unlike honeycomb

Froyo vs iOS5

My circle of friends are all Apple fans, recently one of them updated to iOS5. He's so excited about it, showing me iPhone can do this do that now. Uhm, Android had all of this a year ago hahahha!!! And I'm still on Froyo. Imagine all the new features in Gingerbread and Honeycomb
Apple is losing in hardware and OS features, so they'll keep suing with Patents.

can we never be in peace seriously?
iOS and Android are two completely different things.

xriderx66 said:
can we never be in peace seriously?
iOS and Android are two completely different things.
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Actually no they aren't. They are so much alike that fighting over them is stupid and pointless.
Both companies can be accused of copying one another when it comes to features.

Its all a matter of personal preference, I prefer Android while others prefer ios, or blackberry or symbian etc. The only reason I dislike apple is not because of their products, but rather their terrible business ethics, otherwise i will admit that the iphone while not my flavour is a good device.

atoz350 said:
Actually no they aren't. They are so much alike that fighting over them is stupid and pointless.
Both companies can be accused of copying one another when it comes to features.
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Not when it comes to business practices. Apple has hardware and software that is constantly CAPABLE of doing more, and a simple jailbreak makes it fully capable of almost everything android does. They would rather just sell you features slowly over time.
Whatever iphone 5 can do, iphone 3g probably could have done perfectly well, only now they dont have to truly TRY to make something awesome for people to buy it like android based phones do.
So yea, the devices ARE different.. try to bluetooth a file to someone on an iphone, or really even save a file, or so many other simple things. It COULD be very similar devices except apple is all about slowly selling you functionality and calling it innovation.
The OP has a point, Froyo, as much as we ***** about it, is capable of TONS more than the newest iphone. The only thing apple REALLY has is a following which attracts developers and great hardware that isn't fully utilized.

I just hate iphone fans and apple thats all the products are not.bad at all i still prefer android over ios but if they give me a free iphone i wouldnt complaint, i do agree with the op. Now whos exited about samsung galaxy notes??? I am!!!!!
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I love the look of honeycomb, but it still has issues like choppines, not smooth, the stock browser is not good, lack of optimized apps... It doesn't even have an optimized Facebook app but there are third party Facebook apps anyway.. You can't even write a review on the market place and Google seems to be not planning on updating it til the next android version.. Pffffft
I have the gslate and i love it, but it doesn't run like how i want it to be being a dual core... Wish we have an OC kernel for it..
On android, it must have good hardware for it to run sleek.. My brother and his wife both have the touchpad, the browser on that one is fantastic! Why Can't android be like that? Oh yah it must be the widgets hence the choppines.. But it's fine i still prefer android no matter what..
Oh i just thought that if the touchpad was a hit, i bet apple would sue hp because it looks more similar to the ipad than the Galaxy tab does... Samsung is doing well in the mobile industry, making great mobile products, overall innovating... ,apple can't stand it

I think I'm going to switch from Android to iOS with the upcoming iPhone 5.
I just want a phone that works, and works all the time. Aside from antenna-gate, iPhone seems to be a solid and stable device.
I'm tired of messing with my phone. No Android device I have owned has been problem free, but it seems like many iPhones just work and work flawlessly.
Anyways, still undecided until the iPhone is actually released next month.

Yup, iphone is very stable.
Good thing I don't get tired of android though I do get tired of flashing roms that's why I'm using he most stable rom for me.
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You guys think that's cool. MIUI blows them all out of the water due to one fact: THEME CHANGER>>>>its sooooo cool! Like having a new rom in 2 seconds. I have been using a cheezit theme forever but I have a hundred different ones downloaded like transformers etc. Its the coolest **** ever. I could care less about anything else. It changes EVERYTHING VISUAL on your phone.

The thing that makes android win over iPhone, the one fact I've never heard a good argument for.. android will let you customize everything. Literally. Ios, though it works consistently, doesn't let you have control of most things. Its based on their business model, and some users don't want to have to be responsible for their devices.. but android wins simply because if the hardware can do something, and as a user, or as a community, you want it bad enough.. you can make it do it.
I wouldn't be as against apple as I am if they didn't fight jailbreaking like they do. Development is hindered by constantly having to find new exploits. Their devices CAN be amazing, but then they'd have to work harder to amaze you if they allowed the hardware to do everything it can do right now.
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Do any of you know if iOS have an App drawer? Or do you need an App for that?
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Do any of you know if iOS have an App drawer? Or do you need an App for that?
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as far as i know, there is nothing close ot a app drawer on iOS, the closest that I personally would consider a "app drawer" is a folder.

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as far as i know, there is nothing close ot a app drawer on iOS, the closest that I personally would consider a "app drawer" is a folder.
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lol that reason alone wouldn't make me want an iPhone.

Y is it froyo vs ios5 y not gingerbread
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Its more like GB vs iOS5

just like osx will never be able to do what my ubuntu can, ios will never do what my android can, and i'm just talking the os not hardware.

funeralthirst said:
just like osx will never be able to do what my ubuntu can, ios will never do what my android can, and i'm just talking the os not hardware.
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Mind listing just 10 things that iOS will never do that your Android can?

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Mind listing just 10 things that iOS will never do that your Android can?
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why do i need 10? if it can do one thing that ios never will that should be sufficient considering android can do everything ios can...

Jasonhunterx said:
Y is it froyo vs ios5 y not gingerbread
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Reason I've title it "Froyo vs iOS5" because most of the new features in iOS5 are in Froyo already. Gingerbread has more features that iOS5 can't be comparable.
iOS is very stable just can't customize it to my liking, that's why I like/use Android.